City Council - Regular Meeting

Welcome to a meeting of the Ontario City Council. First order of business, Madam City Clerk, is roll call.

Thank you. The record will reflect that all members are present for this evening's meeting.

So, in abiding by state law, are there any possible conflicts of interest? No. Okay. So, we'll move on to closed session and are there any people wishing to speak to closed session? Alright then we'll go on and ask the city attorney to announce what we're doing.

Yes thank you Mr. Mayor. Good evening everyone. You have two items on your closed session agenda this evening. The first is a conference with legal counsel for the case Princessa Kemp, the state of Kirkcamp versus City of Ontario in the County Of San Bernardino. That's under government code section 54,956.9 subsection d one. The second is a conference with legal counsel regarding a workers compensation claim as identified on the agenda of the same government code section. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Okay. Thank you. So we'll recess to closed session for consideration and return approximately 06:30PM. Thank you for attending a meeting of the city council, and we'll begin this portion with the pledge of allegiance by led by council member, Mosias, and our invocation will be led by rabbi Steven f Stain from Temple Shalom of Ontario. Please remain standing for the invocation.

So first of all, on behalf of the Jewish community, I would like to thank the council of the city of Ontario, the police, and the fire for your support. It's been a difficult year. Things are looking a little bit better now. So, you very much for that. So, as we proceed through the Torah and we see that now Moses is now leading the children of Israel into the wilderness and into a new heritage, he faces a lot of challenges.

And as God supported Moses and that leadership, may Hashem and Adonai also support the council, the city council of Ontario. May he give you wisdom and help you through the challenges that you undoubtedly face, give you strength when you're weary, and help you face those challenges. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

So we will move into our public comments. Speakers will have three minutes. And we'll begin with our speakers Carlos Chavez.

Hello everyone. I was, excuse me. Hello everyone. I was, I think you know what's going on in my property. My property I'm at 1336 West Phillips Street. I've been there since '95. I purchased a property Repeat

your address again. I didn't get that. I couldn't hear it. Go ahead.

Yeah. 1336 West Phillips Street. And we moved in there in '95. It's agriculture residential zoning. And I've been having some issues with code enforcement. Now code enforcement has changed very much since I first moved in there. Without any respect, I don't know if it's going on with everyone else. But they're coming in like thugs. And I don't see that's right the way they're approaching people. And I feel like they're targeting certain people.

You know, certain age group people which they think they're weaker and they're not available. Or they're not able to challenge what they're trying to tell them to do. They've been making me doing changes which I believe I was told when I first purchased my property. I'm in the grandfather's clause, which means if you have a property of a certain time, you're able to do certain things. And they gave me all that in planning.

And I clearly specified and I went and spoke with the director of code enforcement. I know the Humane Society is not here no more, but I, they challenged me in court four times to keep my animals. And I was able to prove because of what planning told me, which I looked at properties first because I wanted it for a long term to raise my kids there. How my kids are grown, you know. And now I got my grandkids. But I know it's time to make change I try to

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I tried to make a change in 2002. I went to planning. I took in plans to do a development in 2002 because of what was going on, which had challenges the cases in 2002 to 2006. And yet planning directly told me I showed where all different little projects were like mine. They clearly told me that because we let someone else do that, we're not gonna let you.

So I walked off, I kept my place. Until this day, I'm being challenged in court for that. And I don't believe it's fair. And in the area there's other people that have the things that I have and they're not being addressed to it in me. And I'm going through a civil case right now. I've used my savings for that. I tried to settle it without going to court. But they just kept on me and on me and on me. So I had to hire an attorney. And that's why I wanna address that with you.

Alright. Thank you.

Mister city manager, do you have somebody he can speak to?

Given the state and the progress of the litigation that exists with Mr. Chavez at this point in time, I would not send any of our staff to speak with him separate and apart, but rather let the process that is underway that has taken many, many years allow that to play out at this point, sir.

Alright, thank you. So that moves us into agenda review and announcements.

No changes, sir.

Okay, moving to consent calendar. And all matters listed under the consent calendar will be enacted in one motion. Yes, sir, Mr. Bowman. Okay, So Mr. Beaumont would like to pull item number five from the count for a separate vote or complete. We'll talk about it after we vote on an entire consent calendar. So given that pulling item number five and there are no speakers to the consent calendar, I'll entertain a move our conversation. So move. Moving the consent calendar by Mr.

Bowman, second by Ms. Moussias. We'll vote on everything but item five. The consent calendar passes five o. We'll bring back item number five now, which is the designation of voting delegates for the Southern California Association of Governments. Mr. Bowman. Yes, thank

you, mister mayor. I just wanna bring this before the council for perhaps some some thought and conversation and and lead to a recommendation. And I have thoughts of my own, of course, but I'd like to hear from others as we move forward. And I myself have a tendency to want to lead toward council member Macias to my right to be the primary representative for SCAG. Thank you.

The the primary representative for SCAG or? That would

be the voting delegate, sir.

Yeah. Yes. Delegate.

Well, that is currently Ms. Broaden. Do you have any objection to that?

I don't know that I have any objections. It's just like the fact that Mrs. Macias is relatively new. So I'm hoping that, you know, to go forward with it, you know, she keeps up with all the information. And I know that I do attend some of the meetings for SCAG on the outside. So, you know, it's sort of interesting that this happened at this level. So I'll just let the council decide as they vote and we'll go from there.

Mr. Wagner. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think that when council member Prada was appointed, that's when she was actually the alternate for SBCTA and Omnitrans. This seems to make sense that now council member Mesias has assumed those roles that would make sense for her to represent the city for transportation.

I actually think that notwithstanding making this change for Ms. Prada without any prior discussion. Which I think is good because we need to talk about this in public. That with Ms. Macias' newness to the council, I think it's a good idea to introduce her to things that she's gonna be growing into in the future. So don't I really have a problem with this. As long as she gets together with our representative, SKAG is Mr. Watner, right?

No. I represent, whoops. I represent SPCTA at SKAG.

Oh yeah, okay. So we'll, but it's at that level, you need to communicate with her about the things that are representing the city. And as far as I'm concerned, don't have an issue with it. I don't wanna hurt your feelings at this point. I don't love it the way it's brought forward, but I don't think that it's necessarily negative for this city, for our youngest member to begin to become familiar with these side agencies. This is a Los Angeles in Southern California associated to governments. And if we're gonna have a future in this city, we gotta start moving people up.

Mister mayor, I think that's well said. And I think, as we all have started from the beginning, as long as we have good friends close on the council that can help and step forward with some of the tough issues that she may face, It's really all part of the personal development and learning process of each of us over the years. That's why I put it out. I think it's an opportunity.

Mr. Mayor? Yes. I'll go ahead make a motion that Councilmember Monsieur to be appointed as the primary and the mayor as the alternate.

I would second that.

Okay. Let's vote. Alright. Well, it's not always a wonderful thing to be doing, but that passes for one. Next, we have this takes us to item number 10. Madam City Clerk.

Thank you. This is an introduction of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Ontario, California adopting a military equipment use policy pursuant to government code seven zero seven zero e t s e q. You have one written communication.

Okay. So I'll entertain a motion of discussion from the council. Moved by Ms. Bowman. Second by Ms. Mesias. Take an electronic vote. The item passes five zero. That takes us to item number 11. Madam city clerk.

Thank you. This is an administrative discussion regarding the Jay Littleton Ballpark. There are no written communications.

Alright. We do have a blue card written to this and this is mister Gary Littleton himself. So we'll hear what you have to say? Oh, someone filled it out for you? So you're forcing them up here? How long has that been going on in your life?

Let's see. Thank you counsel for seeing us and thank you for allowing us to be diligent about being part of this process. You know, the ballpark for our family goes back many of yours, as you all know. Some of you even played there. And some of you probably parked out there and made out there too.

You know, when the park burned down last year, I think the whole community was devastated about what happened. You're used to seeing this landmark that's there before us, which is well known outside the city limits of Ontario, right? I mean, just everybody knows a league of their own. No crying in baseball. You know, that scene is still being played today. And there was just so much pride that the city took in during that time in the making of those movies and different programs. Just the fact that we held such great traditional baseball out there for the American

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Very successful baseball program. And it seems like we've lost a lot of that destiny of things that we were doing when we were younger, you know. Things have changed. Do we accept the fact that things are changing and not changing and go along with them? Or do we draw a line and keep on this tradition? But someone said something very interesting that you can't replace memories. You know, building that park. Alan, this came from you. Building that park is not going to bring back the memories. And I agree, there aren't going to bring back those memories.

But we're going to be able to create new memories by the success of building that park back. And that's something that we can show our grandchildren, their grandchildren, and so on and so forth. So, thank you, counsel. Thank you.

So, I'll open the item for council discussion, but once we need to hear from our power pump with our city manager.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. May it please the city council, do you have a presentation before you, and we'll put it up on screen now, that really speaks to the evolution of this concept and what would be recommended to the city council tonight. And so it was referenced just a moment ago by Mr. Littleton.

It was almost two years ago where the historic ballpark, the wood framed grandstand unfortunately succumbed to fire, burned down and we've been haggling with the insurance company ever since trying to understand how much we would be able to see from the settlement of that and that would help guide what it would be in terms of a replacement amenity for the surrounding community. It's important to consider that dynamic because we wanna make sure that we are honoring what has occurred and transpired at that location over the past, but also ensure that the park itself is relevant to the neighbors in the area around it and to make sure that as good fiscal stewards that you have the ability to develop, redevelop and operate the amenity. So we've gone through to take a look at where we've been in terms of the amenity that was there at Littleton Field, how it was used, how or how infrequently rather it was used given the old configuration. When you look at the different amenities that exist in our parks today. You can see the line in the middle that shows that Galvan Park is really one of our under resourced parks in the community.

When you look at all the different amenities that exist in our other city parks and that the silver lining to the unfortunate burning of the ballpark does give us an opportunity to look at bringing additional amenities to the community and again an effort to try to make it more relevant to the folks that live in that neighborhood. When we look at a need for youth sports, for youth activities, this is something that the council has taken very seriously and is manifest by the advent of the Ontario sports empire and all of the football fields, soccer fields, baseball and softball fields, and hopefully even indoor athletic facilities that would be part of the sports complex. And not wanting to be repetitious in terms of providing amenities around the community at the expense of amenities that would be again more welcome to neighborhoods in our neighborhood parks. When you think of our park master plans, and you look at at what exists in all of our various parks around the city, we tried to ensure that, each of our neighborhood parks has something that is unique to it. And with the advent of Measure Q that allowed us to start reinvesting in a lot of those older historic parks, we're looking to find ways to make each park special and again very relevant and endearing to the neighbors that use the park on a daily basis or maybe today don't use it but otherwise would or could or otherwise should.

And you see it most notably right now for example at De Anza Park. The major investment that the council put into De Anza with the new soccer fields, the skate park, with the splash pad are things that will ensure its relevance to the surrounding neighborhood for the foreseeable generation and beyond. When you look at our existing master plan for Galvan Park here, just on the screen, you see just the locations that are there in the park that are able to house new and interesting amenities on both sides of Grove Avenue. And so it is with all of that said that we began to look at this evolution of what to expect and guide the thinking for the redevelopment, reinvigoration of this park and in fact this neighborhood. We began right where the fire left us with basically a restoration of what had been there in the past and that evolved and matured into moving towards a multipurpose field, something that was much less expensive but also really didn't have much imagination behind it.

Revisiting with the next evolution, revisiting what was contained in the park master plan with the advent of a community center, introduction of a community center facility that would give the city an island of influence in this North Central neighborhood. And then ultimately, the the amenity that we are recommending to the council is that evolution, an amalgam of all of those ideas manifest in a water feature that has that pays an homage to the historic legacy of the park. So first and foremost, we look at the historic concept regardless of what ends up coming to bear with the insurance company. We believe that that cost to restore and rebuild that grandstand structure to modern construction standards would be in the neighborhood of $28,000,000 Now that's 3,500 seats. If you were going to put 3,500 seats in that small of a facility, you couldn't surface park it.

You would end up having to do a parking structure and if you were to put a parking structure in that block, not only does it dominate the overall park, but it adds significant cost boosting the cost of the project to over a $100,000,000. When we looked at the multipurpose facility, the diametric opposite of making such a huge investment because it's primarily surface fields, artificial turf fields, two soccer fields. You saw in the previous slide, soccer continues to be one of the most popular park sports and activities that we have, that we could drive that cost all the way back down in less than $20,000,000 20,000,000 to $23,000,000 The number, the needle gets pushed forward again if we were to introduce the construction, the introduction and construction of a community center building to give again the city some permanence and influence in serving the neighbors of that North Central neighborhood and the cost goes up accordingly. So we're at 47 to 51,000,000. And as I say, what that has led us towards and what we would propose to you is this water feature concept.

Here you see, 4th Street along the the top of the slide. The street that moves, north to south on the left side of the screen there is Grove, which is a very busy street as you know. And so we're trying to insulate this, amenity as we make it something of a haven for the neighbors that actually will come and utilize this park. Now, the idea would be if it looks like a baseball field in terms of the way it lays out, that's on purpose. What you see, in the area, the area up along the the top here would be a structure that would resemble very closely the actual grandstand of the Littleton Baseball Field.

So again, it has this look and feel in terms of the height profile of that of that historic structure. But the area that looks like where the field is is effectively a very large water feature, splash pad, something for the kids to run around with, for families to come and picnic around. But everything is themed off of baseball and specifically off of the historic Littleton Field. There is a walking trail that would go around it. Depending on budget, there would be the opportunity for a library annex in this location, and have enough multipurpose room space, without being a true full fledged community center, have enough room rental space for birthday parties, for crafts, for activities, for game shacks for the kids, and really do our best to make this a meaningful and relevant part of the lives and the community that surrounds this park.

As you saw, as much as we all love League of their Own and all the other commercials and TV shows and movies that were filmed at Littleton Baseball Field, we're shadow boxing against nostalgia. I think Mr. Littleton had put his finger right on it and I guess the mayor pro tem had made the comment in terms of trying to recreate those memories. What we would submit to you is trying our dead level best to honor the past, bring new and introduce new amenities into the neighborhood. We can create those new memories on a going forward basis.

Basis. Is the evolution of the thought of the concept that we are bringing forward to you. What we would ask counsel tonight is that if you have other direction, please give it to us. If you endorse this overall concept, specifically the historic theming of the property, the way that I've described here, to give us that clear direction. So that way we can proceed in earnest to develop the program budgets and develop an order of magnitude for cost and begin to walk through the more traditional project development, capital development process that we would utilize with our Parks Recreation Commission.

And ultimately return back to you in due time with the the final project concept. So with that, I'll stop here and answer any questions that council might have.

Alright. So at this point, I'll call, I'll open the item for council discussion. Who'd like to be first? Mr. Watner.

Thank you Mr. Mayor. You know Gary, I remember I was here when we renamed the field. And you remember at the time it was Ontario Ballpark. And dad was Mr. American Legion, right? And that was what the field was being used for, was American Legion ball all the time. I think you played for dad there,

right? No.

No? Well pretend like you did. But anyway, and it was certainly appropriate at the time. And as we discussed, you can't recreate memories. When you walked into that park, was the smell, it was the feel, it was the memories of what had all occurred and that's not gonna happen again. Having said that though, obviously I think we need to continue paying tribute to the legend of Jay Littleton. I support what the city managers put forward. I am interested to hear what council member Maseya says. She lives in the neighborhood. To me, it's about complementing what we already have in the city, filling a void.

We are gonna be doing a lot of new development at Galvin across the street, I think this complements what we're gonna do there. And at the appropriate time, I would support naming the facility after J. Littleton when it's appropriate to bring that forward. But I support and I certainly urge the council to provide direction to the city manager to pursue this.

Thank you and a great presentation Scott. I will want to make sure that I'm supporting the best that I can to fruition what is best for the community there. I want this to be again another safe space where the community can enjoy. This is a great presentation and I love what my colleague Mr. Wopner said that we continue the tradition and the longevity of the community really utilizing this space. And thank you for coming out.

Yes, thank you very much. I am a member of the American Legion and John Littleton, of course a member of the family. He was at the stadium quite often and with the kids. I had a chance on many occasions to be with him during some of those practices. So, the history, the memories are forever there.

And I think what's being proposed is really a collection of a bit of the past with a strong memory of the past and a good quality presentation of future opportunities for a bigger community collectively with the original ball players and the feel of that park. Thank you. Deb?

I just want to make sure I understand what's happening here. So, City Manager, are you recommending that we move forward with number four? Is that what you're doing?

Yes, ma'am.

I'm sorry to interrupt.

Okay. So, yes, he is. Okay. So, then my point is, I don't think that the public has had enough time to digest all of this. So, I would like the public to know about one, two, three, and four.

And I'd like them to be able to come back next time when we meet and tell us, do we like +1, 234? And if you like four, fabulous, I'm all with you. But if you like one or some of the other ones, then let's talk about it and see where we go. But I think this has been too short of a timeframe when we put this agenda up on a Friday and it comes before everybody on the Tuesday, I don't think the public has had enough notice to understand what we were moving forward with here today. So, I would be in favor of postponing this, bringing it back to the next city council meeting, let the public come, let us know what they want, and then we'd go from there.

Okay. Gary, I just want to tell you first off, I loved your dad. When I was going back twenty six years when I first started, he was one of the first people that reached out to be my friend. And he really was. And you know, I'm a baseball guy. So he I tell the story all the time. Jay Littleton used to call me like at 02:00 in the morning. You know this is true. And he'd call me and he'd start talking about what we need to do at the park and how we can do all this other stuff. And my first call I thought, Okay.

But then he kept it up. And that really solidified our relationship. One time he called me at 03:00 in the morning. He said, you aware of what's going on over there? I said, I've been in bed, Jay. He said, we'll find out. So I looked into it and talked to the police chief who at the time was Lloyd Scharf, and he was just talking about vagrancies and stuff. And so like a few days later, I called him at 03:00 in the morning. I called him at 03:00 in the morning. Isn't it funny that he answered like, yes?

So you know, for a guy his age, he was really into it. So there's nothing more I'd like to see than something really good happen here. And that his name stays there and the history and the thought and the memories stay there. But I do agree with Debbie. So what I'm going to do is I'm going just receive and file this report. And I think that we do need people here from the community. There's only you. There's nobody else here. We need people from the community to see us. Not just to, you know, see the different options, but to hear and see and help us so that we know that we are representing the community, not just ourselves.

I think that I see in my head the best plan, but I want to hear that from the people. So at this point, it's receiving.

I'm sorry, there's still some discussion here, Mr. Mayor, if you don't mind.

No, there isn't any. I'm moving on to staff matters. Thank you. Mister city

I'd mayor like to make a motion on the prior point of of order. I'd like to make a motion on the priority that was on the agenda that does call for council comment.

Doesn't call for any vote.

It's on the agenda. Therefore, you can vote on anything that's on the agenda. Is that correct, mister mayor?

Not with the city attorney. I run the agenda. I run the agenda. Well, we've already called I've already called for staff matters. So let's go with the staff matters, mister city mister city manager. This has been ordered by the mayor for receive and file. I'm the mayor. That's my job.

Mr. Mayor, due respect, typically it's the council that will receive and file an item that's been presented by staff. I don't know that I've ever seen an individual council member by him or herself receive and file. I don't mean to contradict you per se.

It's my understanding that I have the So power of the mayor of the city to do

the presentation has been made to the council.

It needs to be made to the city. It needs to be made to the people. We have to have more people. There's only one family and not that they don't love you Gary and everything. You know that. More people need to hear this. We need to let more people see this, not just us.

I'm I'm sorry, mister mayor. I I would discourage any any sort of back and forth between the members and the public. All due respect to the members of the public. This is really the council discussion item. And what I believe I hear the mayor pro tem saying is he would like to offer some input as to what either council member Parada has said, what the city manager has presented.

And certainly the council at any time could receive and file the report or could direct your staff with a particular option or an option that Councilmember Parada made. It's really, this is the time to make those decisions. You are the presiding officer and so I won't stop you from doing what want to do. I'm just offering my opinion as to what a receiving file I have seen mean throughout my career.

Well, until you find a legal reason to stop me, we're moving on to staff matters.

You are the presiding officer, sir.

Alright. Mr. Ochoa. Nothing, sir. Alright. That brings us up to council matters. And we'll begin first with the board and commission appointments that we have a few vacancies. And I want to introduce some appointments starting with the planning commission appointment of Jonathan Hagman, who is a proud Inland Empire native. He earned a bachelor's degree in political science and a master's in public policy from UCLA. Jonathan currently works in the San Bernardino County Land Use Services Department, where he works on projects throughout the county.

He has extensive experience in land use entitlements and communications. He also has nine years of service as an army officer. Jonathan lives in Ontario with his wife Diana. He is not here, but we are hereby appointing him as a Planning Commissioner. Next are the museum board appointments where we have well, I guess I need council consensus on that. Yes, I'm sorry. So, do we have council consensus on him? Okay, thank you. So, yes, sir. With

regard to the Planning Commission appointment, it's my understanding that the appointee is not here tonight because he is in the service and he's away doing that very thing serving his country. So thank you.

Okay. Next we have Museum of Board appointments and first we have Daniel Kalawag. How do I say that? Are you here? Why don't you come on up, let's see you. Daniel is a registered nurse and an Ontario resident. He holds a Masters of Science in Nursing Administration along with a BS in Nursing. He is active in community service and local outreach efforts and is seeking to serve on the museum board to help preserve and share Ontario's history for future generations. Say hello to the people. Hello, council. My name is Daniel.

It's the

first time actually being here at a city council meeting. So, you for inviting me here. So, we have our gentleman to appoint. Do we have any conversation or opposition? Thank you. Okay. So it looks like you've been appointed. Thank you so Thank you for coming. Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

The second appointment for the Museum Board is Mark Kendall. Come on up, Mark.

Thank you. And I know this is non museum related, but I do have my Tower Buzzers hat. If wear gets too much for you, just let me know and I'll put it on. Quickly introduce myself. I'm a twenty five year resident of Ontario.

My wife and I raised our kids here in town. I'm interested in, and thank you for your consideration, I'm interested in this cause I think it's really important to preserve the history and cultural heritage of our city. My background is, I have a long held history, interest in local history. I've written extensively about both some Ontario neighborhoods and neighborhoods and local communities. I was sent a few years ago on a project to drive Route 66 from Chicago to LA and document some of the history of local residents who had had experience along Route 66.

So that was a great opportunity. And I know technically we're not on Route 66, but since we hold one of the premier Route 66 events, I thought I should mention that. Right now I'm working on another project about the sculptor Rudolph Vargas, who of course you know created our nativity scenes that come out every Christmas. He's a very under recognized figure. I had a chance to visit the Library of Congress last year and there was very little about him.

And he's played such an important role in so many projects in Southern California. He worked for Disney, so I'm trying to kind of bring out some of that history and bring him more recognition. Of course Ontario deserves kudos because we've done a great job of preserving his legacy compared to some other sites where he did artwork. So that's just a little bit of background about me and I'm happy to fill in any questions. But thank you for your consideration. Hey, thank

you for that introduction. Very well done. So actually I almost don't need to read this. You're an Ontario resident, a writer, and a communications professional. You've written extensively about local history with work published in various outlets. You're seeking appointment to the museum board to help strengthen connections between residents and the city's historical and cultural story, while supporting the museum's mission and a long term strategic direction. So, without objection, I'd like to hear anybody object. Well, we thank you and we welcome you to the museum board. So with that, we have one appointment for the Planning Commission and two for the Museum Board. And I guess we have to have

a vote

on gonna all three be your favorite person tonight. Mr. Mayor, I apologize. But yes, I think you do need a motion and a second to confirm the nominations you've just made so that we have a clear record for the minutes.

Yeah, yeah, was just getting So to I need a motion on all three. Moved by Mr. Bowman.

Second.

Second by Ms. Parada? All right. Thank you. This item passes. So now we move on to council matters and I'll start all the way to my left. Ms. Parada?

Nothing tonight.

Miss Macias? Mr. Bowman?

Nothing sir.

Mr. Watner?

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Had I been given the opportunity to speak, would appreciate it. Mr. Mayor, the agenda is yours but you should honor the agenda that you approve as put out to the public. It's interesting when encouraged public comment, but you wanna discourage counsel comment. That really concerns me.

I knew you'd have your time now. That's it. Anyway,

but it's too late to take any action is the problem. So I think the problem is that we have not provided any direction to the city manager on this item. My colleagues said receive and file, maybe they don't understand. Receive and file means you receive it and it's filed as part of the record. There's no action. He has not been directed to even bring it back to the council. So I think that our city manager's staff deserves some kind of direction from this council so that he knows what direction to go. Otherwise, everything's just left in limbo. So having said that, I'd like to concurrence from my colleagues to have this put on the next agenda for discussion so that we can make a decision.

I couldn't agree with you more. My thing was it was never set for a vote tonight. It was to be heard and received and filed so that the people could now know what we're looking at. Nobody knew all of that stuff except us. So I'm a 100% behind you. I think I'd like to see it in the next meeting. Because I do want to get this off the ground. It's been too long and I want to see it happen. I already know what I have in mind. I just don't know what you have in mind, whoever you watch on TV.

I'd like to see this council full of people who support one or the other. I I think it's a pretty easy support on what I think is pretty clear. But I just don't see enough people in the audience who are interested in this. I don't want to see votes taken by the city council that I'm not sure were not Brown Act violations, where conversations happened before any of us ever heard it. It's it and I just wanna make sure that we're operating according to the law. That's all. And I don't see any harm in putting it off for a week. It's not gonna or two weeks or whatever. It's not gonna harm anything. Gary, are you offended?

No, I'm not stressed about it at

all. Thank you. Okay.

But I do appreciate the counsel had a discussion about it.

Thank you Gary. Hey, I want to thank everybody for being a part of our City Council meetings. And as far as I'm concerned, we give our opinion, no harm no foul. I'm not offended by anybody's thoughts or process. I just want to see the right thing done for the City Of Ontario by all the people of Ontario. So having said all of that, we thank you for participating and we'll be back on February 17. This meeting is now adjourned.