Township Board - Regular Meeting

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is on the agenda I don't Okay. Guess we should have public comment first. Matt's got to go. I'm sorry. Matt's got a time. Oh, I got to leave by 4:30. So, let's just Okay, let's do let's do the uh mil renewal talk. So two. So what you're looking at is the resolution that the board has to pass and then the election notice. What's

And this is for the military note for the public road construction repair and mies. Correct. Which is going to expire. It expired in 2025. It expired in December of 2025. So we put it on the ballot in 2026 for a renewal. Okay. And this is for four years 2026 through 2029 inclusive, which means the next time it would come up for renewal would be in the election year 2030.

Okay, that's correct. So Okay, so it gets us back on the Okay, correct. schedule so you don't have to pay for a special election. Correct. Okay. So, there's one type. Well, it's important. It needs to say four instead of that. You change the number but not the Oh, okay. I will fix that. You guys don't find this. So, we won't fix that. It's in here, too. Okay.

And this does require of record roll call vote once it is correct moved and supported. We should have a resolution first though for that. You don't have to vote on this. I just wanted you to see that the verbiage this is what goes in the newspaper eventually. Okay. So what's thoughts? Well, I got a few I guess observations. One is without this millillage, we can't le leverage the county dollars from the county road commission. Correct. And so no projects really will get done. And because we've had this millillage for this third time we renewed it.

Very important.

Yeah. Anyway, we we the township has the best paved roads in the county of any of the townships and that's because we have this millillage and we leverage that with the county and work through projects and what have you. You know, granted we're only kind of a half township because we're cut off, but um that's it's an excellent return on an investment because we leverage the county dollars. So, that's my first observation. Second observation is um I like the language in here because this is one of the only renewals that I've seen that actually talks about it being renewed, but it's also increased back up to the original one. Most of the uh millages that you see on the ballot don't say that. What that means is the the original mill that the township voters voted in 5 years ago has been rolled back through a mechanism called a headley roll back, which is nothing that the township has any control over. So that millage rate gets rolled back if the rate of growth in the township exceeds inflation. So when most places renew their millages, they just say, "We're going to renew it." And so if they were at a mill and now they're at 0.95, they don't say they're increasing it back up to one. They just say it's going to be renewed. And that's true, but it also resets. So this language makes it clear to the electors that it's going to be reset back to that one mil. So I like that. And I think Tom Greer added that and he never u added that language that's not normally in there.

Okay.

Um and the last thing though is it's interesting. I think this is how this works. If this gets approved at the um August primary um I believe could be wrong. We have to check with Tom that that could um maybe it's May actually. I don't think it will be. If you approve this millillage early, it is subject to the headley roll back. Not this one won't be, but generally it's subject to the headley roll back when it's first levied. So even though the voters vote for like if they approve a vote for one, it could be rolled back. I think because we're doing this uh in the in the same year that it's being levied, that won't be the case. But some but if this had been renewed, say last uh the last election in 2025, then that'd be subject to roll back. So, um, that's good because you don't lose that little bit of revenue to help with the road. So, I'm I'm in favor of putting that on the ballot and letting the voters decide. I think it's been really good for the township and its infrastructure

and to follow up on what Ed said. So, we participate the road 100% of this gets spent on roads or gravel or improvement of roads. None of it is is anywhere else on anything in the township. Uh it's mainly at a 5050 basis with the road commission. So we'll pay 50%, they pay 50%. Sometimes they pay 70%. We only have to cover 30%. And you might say, well, they should fix the roads. They don't have enough money to fix the roads in the in the county. So, and especially going to be hurting this year with all the bridges that are out. State hasn't allocated any extra money

as of yet to fix any of these things. And we've got major projects going on you might know about. We're re tireing seal or chip sealing 95% of the roads in the township this year with them and our bill is like 329,000 is our share.

Money is going directly which should make the roads last an extra seven to 10 years what they figured. So, and if you do drive around to different townships, you will find the road commission even tell these are the best roads in the county, but we're one of the few that has the millage that we when they came and gave a presentation to us whatever last quite a while ago in the winter, they told us flat out that we are like the shining star of roads for the county. So, be nice to keep it that way.

Well, that that's the whole thing. the the technique that they're going to be putting on the roads uh this early summer hopefully is is a preventive maintenance technique. It seals out the cracks and keeps the water out because cracked asphalt with water getting in with a freeze thaw cycle is what destroys our roads. And so you have to do that and that's what um keeps these roads looking good and it's way more cost effective than if they have to reconstruct a road and totally resurface it. So um this is definitely the biggest bang. We've had we had a bid for how much was 11 mile was over a million

over a million dollars for about a mile of road. So if you're wondering what it cost to a road paved anymore that's terrible but that's about what it is. So we can keep ahead of it. I think it's good for everyone here. So what what do you want to do on this? What's the board's wishes? Do I need to have a motion second discussion and a record roll call vote? Okay. I make a motion that we approve resolution uh number 2026 dash have to verify that

to be verified by the clerk resolution to adopt millet ballot language for renewing and uh increasing to one mil for row purposes and it would be for a 4-year period starting in 2026 through 2029 inclusive I would second that motion. Okay. Any other discussion? The only other thing is this would go on the August ballot, right? No. Correct. So if for some reason it um there was a hiccup or it it didn't pass and you know you could put it on another ballot in November of this is generally passed pretty handily I think in township

and the reason we haven't and people want know special meeting this had a time frame that hasn't been correct. I have to turn in this ballot language to the county clerk by the 12th of May, which is a week before our regular meeting. And that's why we're having that's one of the reasons we're having a special meeting today was we would have run out of time by a regular meeting. Okay, roll call. Matt, yes. Jennifer, yes. Yes. And David, yes. And Cindy's absent. Correct.

Okay. Now I guess we could do public comment or this way everyone's here for not the road mill I can't imagine but I could say this one might eliminate a lot of public comment so the talk today was you know I'm having issues obviously with the site over there from being deep and clean and stuff blowing all over and I'm tired of seeing it on Facebook. I get it. I don't know what to do. I've talked to Carla. She went to the green team meeting yesterday. Right.

Yeah. Uh there is a monitor supposedly that's over here a couple times a week. We don't know. I don't know what days. Do you have an idea what days supposedly they're here? Usually they're um like Mondays and Wednesdays and then sometimes on the weekend they'll come through. In the summer they come three times a week and we don't and you don't know what day it's being dumped and then there's a wind there. Carla had a good idea to me when I talked to her was find out when they're dumping the truck and have then one of us or somebody can be there and see what actually happens.

They're gonna um Monday the truck driver is supposed to get a hold of me a half hour before the the bins are dumped. So I will let you know if you want to come as well. So either one of us or the monitor or we need to have the monitor there the same day somehow. There is stuff. I mean, do that. We have to come up with a different solution. We We talked about putting a snow fence up, which I could still do, but they're still going to leave the openings where the drive lanes are. So, what happened to the whole thing moving it over to the road commission?

Well, the road commission was going to uh do the dirt work for us. It's it's there's a big hill there and a bunch of dirt needs to be moved. Long story short, we had six inches of rain. They I don't know if they're going to even have time. I couldn't talk. Keith was not there yesterday. I can't talk to him until Monday. They may or may not be able to even do the work at some point. I mean, have you seen all the garbage that's now blowing into their yard? I would actually Can I please talk about Well, yeah, we we know that. I I'm trying to resolve that.

Oh, no. I know, but there's there's more information I believe that like you guys are just unaware of. Do you know what I mean? It's it's really it's not happening necessarily just when the trucks are are dumping their garbage. It blows out of the bins when nobody's even there. We have this on video. Um like lots of video footage and I would really love to invite you guys back to our house. All of you back to our house after the meeting. Just come take like 30 steps out of your car in front of our house and just come. There's piles of it. A lot of it's not even recyclable. We get so much styrofoam and such. You can have somebody at the site all you want while they're dumping, but that doesn't help for all the inetweens. You know what I mean? Like it's actually a little bit more serious. And I think like a fence is a great idea, you know? I know that there's like even temporary chain link fencing that they use for like I don't know concerts and different events. That could be a solution. Personally, if it was me, I would kind of set it up like they do like a baseball field where you can have it like there's just like these small enterings that you would just make. It's a pretty simple like engineering or whatever that we could do to have a taller fence and it is affordable. Um, we don't really have a problem with the bins being there per se. We really don't. We appreciate the recycling. Our biggest issue is is it's Shim Key Creek. I mean, there's probably what we don't collect, what we can't chase after at least one to two contractor grade bags full of trash that get into the creek. That's our biggest concern. It's the wershed. It's it's our water systems. It's Portage Lake. It's It's having um you know, North American river otterters play with styrofoam chunks in our backyard. It's just it's getting into the water systems. It's an environmental catastrophe. Like I really would like you guys to just pop in just for one minute.

Yeah. Cuz you might I mean a lot of it gets caught going down into the creek. So there's all kinds of garbage that's just all sitting right there. There's just more awareness I think that we would like to create on the topic that's just a little bit more than what you guys even I think understand. So, is it garbage or is it recyclable?

Oh, it's all of it. Because, you know, unfortunately, it's not a perfect world. Not everybody like throws what's, you know, like there's rules about what you're supposed to recycle and what you're not supposed to. We get everything. We get all of it. We get just like, like I said, even styrofoam. There's giant vinyl sheets. There's um just uh things that, you know, aren't cups and plates and dishes and there's definitely garbage in it. you know, regardless of it being recycling that's in the bins, once it's in your backyard and in the creek, it's now re considered trash in my opinion. You know, if it's in the bin, it's recycling, but when it's no longer in the bin, it's trash. It's garbage.

Lacy found 16t by 6t tall fencing panels that have a T on the bottom. You can put sandbags on to hold them in place or anchor them down like a bigger for $149 a piece for a 16 ft length. Well, we would like to like have be a part of this. We don't need it moved. Yes, I'd like it. We need the recycling center, too. And I guess part of we appreciate it.

You may or may not know. Oh, we don't the council doesn't own that and it's that's county property and that's kind of been an issue too cuz the county is kind of looking at that as a temporary spot. They don't they don't the county does not want it there.

So we that's why we've been actively looking for a different site. One of which is the road commission and the other spot potentially that I it used to work really good as the fairgrounds because that's all contained. However, and I about a little over a year ago, I spoke to the green team at their meeting a little over a year ago in Man of State and there was uh a county commissioner there that made it very clear that as long as she was on the fair board and uh part of the green team that we would not have ever bins there. So, I don't know why that is, but

maybe she would like those fins in front of her yard. Well, well, maybe you're right. So, it is your commission where it's at where it's at at the county fairground or at the road commission. Is that not all still county owned property? Road commission is Yeah. Yeah. So, this they the road commission is different. Yeah. State or that's a county road commission and they have more say in what they can allow and not allow. So, we were able to work with them. But so the fairgrounds if you go in there you can see it's totally fenced it and part of the issue I believe was the recycling trailer which was a created a problem

that created that that was probably 3/4 of the issue. It's, believe it or not, the amount of stuff is been reduced drastically after the trailer was. It may not seem like it, but it is. And the because the trailer was a selfs served giant like a semi trailer that people would just, man, you could put a lot of stuff in a semi-trail and they did. And it wasn't really, it was the last, I believe, the last un It was like unmanned free hours. like you could go at one in the morning and put something in there. And a lot of the trailers that exist or the very few that do exist like that are let's say Saturday between 1 and 5 and go do it. That was unrestricted time frame. So, uh, people would come with a trailer full of cardboard, maybe from Tyler, friendship, and unload, which fine, whatever. But if you come with your stuff and their trailers out there because it was being emptied,

most of the time people unloaded it by the steps, especially in the winter, then the plow guy would come and then they'd have to plow the snow out of the way, which was where all the paper was, and it smashed in there and it was a mess. So, that's gone. the bins are much more contained and better. But um again that's I didn't realize stuff was blowing out. I thought mostly was due to the dumping. I would like to hear what you guys have used my my ice scraper for my truck on two occasions in the last four months to flip the bin lids back over the wind blowing

because the wind has been opening them and in order to reduce these poor people's yard debris and as a parks and wreck committee member the water is being contaminated with trash and we are spending a lot of time and effort in in the parks to keep things. We have one back there. So, I think that we have to be real mindful. And I flipped the lids back over. A thing that locks them down. No, there's not. And it it was quite an accident. No, because they flip them on the No, it doesn't.

And they both And once you get cardboard wet, it's no longer recycled. So it weren't true. Okay, thank you for correcting part of this. But the bigger issue is I'm spending 30 minutes of my personal time walking around picking up garbage and I'm pick and twice this in six months I'm flipping lids over and I'm I'm so we've got to do something. I know. I know. my 20

um it's been since it's started and I believe that was in like 06 or 07. I think it's 20 years. Yeah. So, just so you know, I've been I've been hauling garbage out of the dumpsters or recycle trailers for 20 years and put it in my dumpster. So, to me, you have a solution, I'm all ears. Anybody? What is that? I would like to make a public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Hi, I'm Sher Miller. I live on Crescent Beach Road. I'm also a member of the parks and wreck volunteer. Environmentally, that's bad. The mess, see it all the time. Been up here 5 years, see it. You can see it as you drive by. It's our responsibility to do something about this.

So, we can talk about all the good things we've all done and how many times we got to pick the stuff up. It's not going to move us forward. what is going to move us forward and in my opinion strong opinion that I have it needs to move. So it needs to move to the Manasty County grounds. If they don't have it as a priority then us citizens need to do petitions and let them know it is our priority. How do we make that happen? So they're doing that earthwork as a kind of as a favor to the township and the earth and our valley.

Yeah. Let me let me finish though. So, I mean, potentially the township could spend taxpayer dollars to do that if the road commission can't get to it. It was trying to be a collaborative thing and potentially set it up for a future countywide site that's a little bigger thing that the county has tried to get grants for in the past. Um, but Carl, I have a question. If our monitor is there three times a week, which I don't know if they are or aren't, if they see the bins are 75% full, they need to empty them cuz I there's been several times when the bins are overflowing and people can't do it. And that's the problem. It gets so high then

so right now and and I would say, you know, people somewhat need to be responsible for themselves. If the bin is getting full, it takes two seconds to latch that little little door. They do it in other They do it in Maple Grove Township. They do it in Brown Township. They do it in Clean Township. They do it over at Fair Lake. It takes a minute to to wedge that little door if it's getting pulled. That's it. So some of it you need to take responsibility, you know, for, you know, you're using the bin. If you see that it's full, don't try to stuff more things in it. Shut it down. And another, you know, this isn't just about Onaca Township. If On Township pulls out, people are going to go to Bear Lake, Brown, um, Arcadia, Maple Grove. They're going to go to other townships, and that will deeply affect their sites as well, you know, and that's something you got to consider a little bit, too. The last time that those bins were full though, like just not even a week ago, there was two monitors that came out to try to close them and secure them and the doors were jammed on them. They had to get a hammer and try to like unjam them and they were out there for at least 45 minutes and they are work they work with those all the time. I mean, they're they were stuck and they had an issue with it. So, trying to get them closed. They were hammering it trying to get those little doors closed on the sides.

My hand first. Okay. Thanks. Um Leah village person wondering um comment and question comment is if what needs to happen is a fence and the barrier is that you can't put a fence up because it's um it's not the village like who do we get permission from and start a GoFundMe page so people can pay for the fencing like no I didn't say they wouldn't let us you got two different issues going on two different conversations. But we we don't own it either. No, we don't own it. Not as a village, nor is a township. That that property where it's at right now is county owned. Okay.

Okay. Different than the road commission property. So you're trying to intertwine all these. Who do you want to go petition the ro? Not no not you. I'm talking about her comment. Yeah. They they have given us permission to put a fence out. They haven't said we can't do the financial issue. No. The county has said we could put a fence up over the hill, right? Take it down. So, in my two-part because I am solution focused. I'm not just a victim owner. I want to come up with a solution. Not saying anyone else figure

if the fence if if it's a barrier to get the correct fence, can we create something communitywide to pay for it? My second is if that can happen, is there any possibility of getting it back here in the village in this parking lot and get it contained? I know nobody liked it. I live across the street from it. I didn't mind it. I was picking up stuff in my yard. This is closer to the lake than where you're at. It was But if it's contained Well, we're not putting a fence on a brand new parking lot. This was getting in the lake for years and nobody ever complained about it ever. Not that that was a good thing, but this is the lake is lit. The lake is literally right there as is a stream. So, worse.

The an the answer was we expected that the road commission would have had the site work done, you know, probably by the end of May. That was the expectation last fall. You know, mother nature didn't feel the right hand. So, that's the long-term solution. So, the question is, how much money do we want to spend on a temporary fence over there if we're going to be moving it? And I think you can put a temporary fence up. You can put Tpost with some snow fencing that'll probably catch a great deal of it. But I don't think anybody wants to spend, you know, tens of thousands of dollars on a channel fence that's only going to be there for six months and can't really be reused. So, yeah, something should go up. Well, what's the what's the right mix, right? So, that that's the question, but I I think the long-term solution is the county road commission site, and I think that's the intention of the board is to get it over there.

Yeah. Yeah. Dan Norbeck, I think it's time that we spend taxpayer dollars to develop the commission site. Yeah. And I think that's fine. I I'd like to see an agreement with the county that this township gets paid back if that becomes more of a central location. I mean, this this is a county program and the county needs to have some skin in the game. I agree. And they should pay us the $10,000 if we leave the gravel behind, too. Maybe. I mean, it cost us seven to put the gravel. It will take two or three years to negotiate that. You got two different entities though, right Dan? Yeah.

I'm just I think we should just spend the tax dollar. Yes. So, um a temporary fence might do the job, but if it moves up to the road commission, the trash in the surrounding area will not go away unless that is also a fenced facility. That will well I'm saying you have to have plans for we already have that's going to have an inch fence. The nice part about the location at the road commission it's in a bowl. It's down low. Yeah. So you have you know it won't be so windy 20 foot B f all the way around it.

Right at the end of the lake right there. So it's just like the wind. Yeah. We've also discussed moving moving the bins some. so that the back side of the bins were facing the lake. So when wind comes off the lake, it wouldn't be able to blow, you know. Well, it really doesn't matter. I I I thought it was all the dumping. I had no idea it was blowing out the containers during the day. I've been there many times. I've never seen anything blow out of the container, but but see I didn't know that. So, you're not going to stop that. If we put the temporary fence, you still got two huge driveways, just so you know. But it'll help. It'll still blow through. I mean, one thing you have to keep in mind, too, since the PCA trailer went away, the volume is almost doubled.

And that's sorry, that's not just on Township residents. It might be some Barl Lake Township residents that are bringing it there that are part of the program, but I guarantee you it's a bunch of Manaste Township residents that don't pay a dime for this. It's being balanced, you know, and that's a problem anywhere where you have a community next to a community that doesn't participate. So, the real solution here is to come up something that forces it to be countywide. I don't know you know that's

and it's part of 115 which will be enacted in about another vote is in the process of being written right now for the comp man county and we're collaborating with Manasty um Wexford and Msaki counties and in the next two to three years that'll be a collaboration for the countywide program. I think it would be really useful though if anybody is willing that after this meeting we actually go as a group and go see the site and see like you know what I mean like look at I think we can come up with more ideas on on on solutions right away even permanent or whatever but something that we can do immediately we go and look at the site and like discuss it like we're all pretty intelligent people and I think if you guys are looking for more than just complaints you know you're open to hearing ideas let's go visit I don't think the solution is leaving it there. Obviously, we're trying to move it. To get back to her point, the road commission, you can go petition them all you want. They've already offered to lease it to us for a dollar for 99 years. You could find a better deal somewhere.

No, I just asking how the levers work. And I know when we went up and asked them back last year with the old board if in fact they consider leasing it to us for an option of putting in recycling. They agreed to it at a meeting. Then they went through a process where the road commission manager was replaced and now I have a new road commission manager and and partially new board. So we went back to reaffirm that and I'm going to the next meeting which is in two weeks from Wednesday to make sure they're still on board with that because I have a new head guy in charge and all that. But the but the still the talk is still a 99year lease for a dollar.

So I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Just know we we support you in protecting recycling. Do not let the do not let it go away. Yes. And Dave, one thing is if the road commission if if they just actually just can't spare the manpower to do it, then you have to get a contractor. But if it's just, yeah, we we can do it, but it might be a while. If I think we offer to compensate them, say, look, we'll we'll give you some money to do this, but we need it done. You know, I never thought they were going to do it for free anyways. I thought they'd charge us something. Yeah, but I mean maybe because I know they're they're hurting for money for money. So So maybe there's going to be a win-win there. It can get done quite hard.

They did approve us for an 8 foot high fence out there. Yeah, they don't they're fine with all that. So that's that's as soon as that can go. That would be a nice spot. It's a little out of the way, but nobody looks at it. Nobody sees it. What is the plan for putting up that fence? Uh fencing contractor. That mean which fence? Which one? It's at the road commission. I mean, or what is the temporary fencing possibility? You were agreeable to that. Is that a possible? I need someone to help me drive posts in and help tang the fence. It's just 4 foot high fence, I think, is what you put up. 4 foot high green that green.

I don't think you want orange snow fence over there, do you? No. I mean, okay. Okay. Well, I'm just asking. They make it green and orange. Do you need volunteers to help make it occur? Matt, I volunteer to help make workforce volunteer. Correct. Okay. Let's see what we can find. Okay. What about the part-time person you have? Do you have like a maintenance person or something that can help? No. It's my understanding that this program with the monitor to take care of the site.

Yeah, there is. And I have remained fairly silent in all of this discussion, but whoever started the rumor that the recycling center was going away was not only disingenuous, they're a flatout liar. That's unhelpful. Yeah, that's jinninging everything up on social media posts without having all of the facts. Not very bright. Not very bright. Well, elicited a good There we go. Mark is down participation. So here under the wrong impression. Yeah, but with constructive ideas. I think it

So Dave, where do you get the green spins at? I saw it at Gilroy. I have no idea. Probably the big you get you get that. It's supply. It's a one-hour project at dry fence post and put up a little maybe two max. Is that good enough ground to put in? Consider considering part of the crew. I'll put it down. I got to run to that next thing. We're not voting on there. I know. Thank you everybody. Um Dave and my eldest grandchild is coming to

bring your mud boots if they're going to come clean up. Wait, so you could help with one thing before you leave. If you see anybody putting trash in those things, please, without being confrontational, just go over and tell them they're not supposed to do that. Don't pull a gun out or don't do anything like that. The other day I filled half my pickup with styrofoam. It was jammed in there and it's right on there. It says no styrofoam. Some people don't even know it. I have pointed out to few people they never read the stickers on the bins anyway. They're quite faded the stickers. I've got new stickers coming. But I'm just saying and they

generally did not know that the styrofoam was not recyclable. So we don't even have much of it. Not here. We have to say it%

Carla, can I ask a question? Has styrofoam ever been recyclable here? He says six months ago. having polystyrene. But right now, peanuts are definitely not they don't they don't they don't get real upset if there is some like the big chunk chunks of styrofoam. But peanuts, they would have a heart attack if they get peanuts because it's a nightmare all through their system for recycling. But um they are um forgiving for polystyrene.

David, the only polystyrene recycling that I know of in the last six years was done by the conservation district on an event that we did at the high school parking lot on the coldest day of the year and also the windiest day which helped a lot. But we took away we took away a a container full of poly. We didn't just burn them. I don't know what we contracted the contract to have it hauled away.

They've now got a machine for polystyrene that well I don't know if you know what a gayard is. It's a box that's like 3 and 1/2t tall by 3 and 1/2 by 3 and 1/2 and it takes 40 of those to make one block. Um, and they're making it's like a solid block and they're trying to use those for foundations and building and stuff like that to find a new home over the polystyrene rather than putting it in the landfills and stuff like that because it takes something like 800 years for the polystyrene to break down

and that machine can be leaked from dirt containers in Michigan. It's really cool to see. It's almost like a big Lego that weighs about 500 pounds. No. All right. Go ahead. I I volunteer. If you place it on the township website, the date of temporary vice fencing, I will come with people. Okay.

And and we will all as a community, we all have been trying our best. It is not working. We know that. We don't want to complain. We don't want to put anything more into the creek, into the lake, or into these new neighbors home. And we understand there's active things going. I'm glad to hear it was a rumor that it is going away. I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you so much. Thank you for squashing that. And I will continue to say something in the community if I hear something like that. But please put it on the website when you're doing the temporary and it will come with man power so you do not have to do it.

Thank you. Anybody else? Question. Yes, sir. Is there any local areas that have combined recycling and garbage pickup? Bar Lake does trash once a week or once a month? I don't know. But do they recycle at the same time? They have recycling bins, but Many Manasty, City of Manasty just started um this this year to have curbside in the city limits. Um they pick up recycling once a month. Um they it's twi twice a month.

Is it twice a month? And um then I think they do garbage on the opposite weeks. Yeah, I think that's right. And so Manasty is the only one in Manaste County doing that. They're too rural. And I think how I don't know what they tell how much is it for like recycling? $6.60 per month for a residential. The reason the city of Manaste does it is because it was mandated by the state because of the population characteristics and it's dense enough. This I think curbside recycling was bid in the township or got an estimate bid. It was got an estimate. was totally cost prohibitive because the houses are too far apart.

And that's another thing I see that coming up time and time. Well, let's just get curbside recycling. Let's just get it's it's unaffordable to do that. I mean, and if somebody wants to call and check with Republic Services or somebody who does recycling and call and see if that's even an option, it probably isn't. Um, people would bulk at the cost of that. I think it's $11. So, a time I throw that, but I don't know if that's true. Recycling. Not in the city. No, if you try to do here 1150. Well, that's the price now. It was a lot more than that when it was out before. So, we look at it. I mean, but that's where that's probably headed. And I don't know what this is going to address that at all.

Yeah. Part of 115 because Manaste meets the qualifications um for for size. They they if it didn't happen now, it would happen in the next two to three years. So they got a jump chose to jump start it and because of of MCC closing down the cardboard and everything. And just so you know the cardboard trailers are not part of the PA69 recycling. That is part of seeds at the schools. The schools are responsible for those trailers.

The kids in the schools are responsible for that. Yeah, they get the money and they're supposed to go and maintain them and they which I try to get the when before we move removed from the fairgrounds. The Lions probably would have left it there if they would have got the money. They won't give them the money. It's only for the schools. So I tried that avenue because the Lions would have probably agreed to leave it if they could take that money and get the money to use for their projects. Yeah. But not available and the school didn't want any bargain. They didn't want it on their property. They

they was another temporary thing. The school moved it temporarily during construction to to over here and then when they didn't want it but they wouldn't take it back. Yeah. and you guys didn't want it and then it got put on your front door, you know. So, probably it has I've got one other question. It it feels to me very inefficient for um taxpayers to if they have a complaint or an observation to funnel it through us to get to you. Is there a place they can go directly to if they go on if they go online um to Manatee County recycling site? Um my phone number is there. Lots of people thinking that trust me.

So we can put something out on our website to make that clear because that's where the that's where it's managed and that's one less step you have to go through to get something addressed. Like if the bins are full and you call Jennifer on a you know on a on a Saturday needs Carl's got to be the one to make that. We can't call GFL and tell them to switch the bins out. Wasn't work that way. So mid June you'll be going to three pickups mid beginning in mid June they'll have three pickups starting Monday it'll be Monday and Thursdays the pickups will be sometimes sometimes there may be a little bit of deviation if there's you know issues with a truck breaking down or something like that

at the site itself could there be a phone number to call if there's any issues or it's full or anything along those lines at the site itself like you know like if you go to a public restroom please text yeah there's any issues or whatever to call we when we give the temp the permanent site we will have a board up with all of that information again but until we have a per call and I mean they call Harry they call me which goes from here to my cell phone cuz I forward everything. Then do you have to call her to have them to call them?

Yeah, I call Carla. Carla. Hi Carla. Hi. I'm Sherry and I live nearby and I'm always right in this little circle thing. I'd like to exchange phone because I'd be happy to text you with a little picture. Super folk, please help. Yeah. And then you can take from there. Would that be a good volunteer thing for me to do to help you? Sure. Okay. Then do that. if it if it eliminates um Dave having to be a middleman. That's too bad. Um thank you for everything that you've been doing. Yeah. I'm so sorry to hear that.

I had my full. So I'm telling you from all stuff my dumpster for all these years. Yeah. People throw garbage in there and people do stupid things. I've been pulling things out and stuff. When was the last time you had a motor oil contamination? It's been a sign in a while. And I started in February of 22 and we have not had a single motor oil prior to me taking over. We had one there was one summer that um uh we there was a significant amount and it cost thousands and thousands of dollars

to because then they would have to remove the bin. they'd have to steam clean it and everything else. Um it to me, you know, looking at some of the old records, it seemed intentional, you know. So, so I mean what this group can do besides, you know, offering to put up the fence or whatever is is okay, you've heard it firsthand, right? It's going to be out on TV, public TV, too. But you can educate your friends and neighbors about, you know, what to do, what not to do. um just to help get the word out and get accurate information because that's the best thing if you hear it from your neighbor or your friend rather than you know trying to find it somewhere on the internet or whatever.

The bag of household trash is not recyclable in these containers, right? I mean it just says but apparently that's some people's neither are fish guts. Yeah. And years ago, well, before maybe before your time, the the treasures are cardboard, they had two or three motors. Someone put an engine block in the trailer when they dumped it, went through the grinder, and destroyed it. Count it. So, just there's all kind Someone left a dead animal in there. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Anybody else? I just want to tell you guys, you know, other other townships have witches. Um we had Cleon Township had the um uh massage table that um yeah, if it would be on the site and then the next day would be gone and be in the park, then it'd come back to the recycling site and it was moving. One summer it moved all over Leon Township there. Did anyone ever get a massage? No interest. There was no one called you then. You know,

nobody called for that. E surprised. It was just, you know, I people were sending me pictures of this massage table all over the place and I'm like, I don't get it. You know, I'm kind of like and I'm like it's like where's Waldo or is that Yeah, it's like where's the massage table? And if they kept getting back to the the recycling bin at least like Carl, approximately what percentage of your total tonnage um is not going to especially now that we've gotten rid of a PCA trailer. right now. Um, you guys are up to about

um the fencing or that's what I'm figuring. I think about eight of those channels a it's like everybody everybody is up and if anybody ever wants information I will right I'm going to turn to me. Thank you everybody.