Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Now follow the meeting to order. Begin with the pledge of allegiance. Yeah. I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you and welcome everyone to the June meeting of the Monka Township Planning Commission. Uh this time we will introduce ourselves so we can know who we are. Good evening. My name is Chris Forda Hunt. Dave Wallace and I'm the chair. Cindy von Beckler and I'm a township represent town timeship board representative and and I'm Michelle Swanson the reporting secretary. Very good. Um uh do you have the agenda? Um I have one item to add. I guess um actually should be under new business and that would be uh planning commission vacancies and and resignations. Um as item number one under new business. You have the minutes from the May meeting uh which were sent out electronically. Are there any additions or corrections to those minutes? there would entertain a motion to approve them. Motion to approve support. Been moved and supported. All those in favor say I. I.

Sign these and give them to their the website. Very good. Um, at this time uh uh we open the floor to public comment. I will preface this by saying um this meeting um as those of you who are here know is about the port primarily about the portage point in uh it is not a public hearing. um is uh so we uh should not have discussion from the audience during uh Mr. Gazan's presentation. Uh I am sometimes uh somewhat lax on th those strict rules because I recognize we're a small community of friends and we should uh get things out when they're important at them at the most. So, all right. Is there any public comment? Seeing none, we'll move on. Um, first order of business is uh the Portage Point in and uh discussions are revolving around their special use permit. Uh I think everyone here knows that the special use permit was originally issued in 2014. It was amended in 2017. It was then further amended in 2023 with some minor amendments. Um and it is is my feeling and and I think the feeling of the u the township that um the special use permit is is not uh a reflection of today's reality. Uh it

centers largely around a municipal sewer system that uh I would say unfortunately didn't happen. Uh I'm sure Mr. Vison would say unfortunately didn't happen. But, uh, I say that for the environment of the lake. And, uh, um, and with that, we need to, I think, have a, a better handle on on what his, uh, uh, plan is going forward. And, uh, how the special use permit uh, might need to be amended to reflect those changes. Uh, and that will give the community a better sense of of what is happening. They ask me constantly, well, what's up with Portage Point? Say, well, still white. That's about it, you know. And, uh, so Mr. Gazan, what would you um, we have questions, but u would you like to make a a opening statement? I I a I'm willing to do this however you want me to do it. I don't have like a display or a petition to make about an amendment or anything at this point. So, it's kind of just a review update as I understand it. So, uh you tell me. Would you like me to kind of talk first and then you can fire away or or do you want me to hit the bottom? You just whatever you would like to do is fine with me. So, well, I I can kind of give you just a synopsis of what we Duncan and I are working at first. Why don't why don't you do that? Okay. Do you want me to stand up or you don't you don't have Okay. It's pretty small venue here. So, okay. So, um I guess I'll start out by saying that uh you know we are uh making progress behind the scenes on

um accomplishing the end goal, but it's extraordinarily slow and painful at this point. Um, we uh I I have reached out to the new chairman of the village, Wayne Miller. I assume you guys know him. And we've had a fairly lengthy conversation via phone and we're intending to meet uh this month. I um am gone now that I'm semi-retired and so forth. I we disappear for January through May. So, I just got back two weeks ago and we're I'm Duncan staff. We've uh had zero applicants. I think all caught that when we first walked in the door. So, um we are literally doing everything ourselves to operate at this point. Um, but I have the in the goal of hoping that the village has some sunlight in the future for uh fixing their system and as a result adding uh our our needs to their wastewater treatment system. We're going to try one more time. I also went out and spent the money, did all the engineering work to and I bought some additional land, which would require an amendment, but I did buy some land adjacent to our ball fields that would allow us to do our own drain field if we had to. And so I designed it. I have not costed it yet. So, you know, I I I think I've just been very casual and open with you guys. I'm not looking to make money doing this. I'm not looking to lose money either at this project. So, I don't know if it's viable. I don't know what it would cost

me to build my own system, maintain my own system, and and pump down to that. But, it's the only alternative if there's never a sewer, right? I mean, we're going to have to address it. Um, the second year I have of that is we go about doing that. That takes a couple years to get done. And just along about that time, the state comes along and drops the hammer on everybody and says, "Hey, you're no longer going to be able to have uh drain field systems within this radius of this body of water at these elevations, etc., etc." And then all of a sudden, municipal sewer is forced upon us, which it is going to happen. I mean, you you you're in government, you know that many many lakes around the state of Michigan have been forced to put in force mates. And it's kind of just a matter of time when it is going to happen here. I mean with Andy's point and you know even Wayne Miller was talking about this with me when we first started discussing the existing system. He's like I was here. He grew up here I guess right? He's like I we never understood why we built a municipal wastewater treatment system and then serviced everybody that was high and dry. you know, we never we should have started with the lowlands. And he said he he he really sees that that was the purpose of the initial system is that it was we really needed to address people with all the engineered mounded systems that are within the 600t setback of the lake, etc., etc. You you know the ranks better than I do probably. So, um, that's I mean I'm just rambling because I really don't it's not like I'm here to make a petition to amend our existing special use permit. We are still trying to accomplish our goal of getting municipal sewer. If that happens, great.

Um, if it doesn't, then I would like to petition for an amendment to scale down the commercial side of it dramatically. Um, you know, I we took over took down the superructure of the casino building that you probably already know because it was just becoming too weak and we were worried about collapse. So, um, we left of course the foundation in the lower floor to see whether that that sewer gets approved. If not, I'd like to petition to ask to put maybe like four condos there, I guess, but residential use instead of commercial. Um, but I'm, you know, everything I'm saying I'm just, you know, at this point I have no business plan worked out for the absorbing the cost of building our own wastewater treatment system, etc. I just I I don't have that. I don't have the numbers to see if it's even financially viable. But, um, it is my goal before I get too old to I'd love to renovate that hotel. I've spent a fortune on blueprints for it uh, and engineering design. It's all done. We've got the steel for it for heaven's sakes. And I've also got all the engineering work done for the marine side of it. Um, we I know that I'm I'm skipping around a little bit, but the uh ball field cleanup, we started loading the dumpster today. We have very little staff, but I'll be here every Wednesday and Thursday, and I've robbed a couple of employees from my marina down whiteall for two days a week. They're going to come up and we're going to start loading it out. We're also going to put it on Facebook if anybody wants to spread the word. There are viable galvanized dock trusses and some of the floats are still good. If anybody wants to have a residential dock or a dock on a pond or whatever, you can have it if you come and pick it up, load it yourself, and

haul it yourself. So, we're going to put that on Facebook Marketplace. Be surprised if you don't get a response. Well, I hope so. Yeah. So, we're going to spread the word and that's the bulk of what's on there is the floats, the galvanized trussing, the old fire escape from the we'll just salvage that goes. We're going to haul that to the scrapyard and the rest we're putting in a dumpster. So, other than obviously the actual product that I need for the facility, right? So, well, but I So, I'll spitball some more. I know that we brought you discussed with me, hey, you know, the SUP envisions you storing trailers, etc. inside. Well, that's phase three. If we were to talk about amendments to the special use permit, would the planning commission consider amending that phasing? Do you remember the phases we agreed to? I have the prints with me. Does that help? You want me to get the drawings or Yeah. You remember the we did this I think in 2023. I had said 2024 in my email today. I apologize. It was 2023. But there's phase 1, two, and three. And if the plan commission would be willing to consider that amendment, then I could perhaps just put up a small building just to start with and say, "Hey, we could at least, you know, service what we're doing now, put trailers inside, etc. equipment inside, you know, supplies inside for for operating. Uh, as well as could I if if we did that, could we go ahead and at least apply for the permits from the state of Michigan and the Army Corps of Engineers for the Marine side before the sewer gets done? We don't need the sewer for that. But do you have to have the sewer for the boat farm?

No, that that's that was always envisioned on its own little dream because it just has one bathroom, right? Um but and again, I bought all this land over on this side so that I could and that would be an amendment. So I'm not uh but I haven't even figured out the cost yet. So I'm just not prepared to like present an amendment at this point. So when you discuss that phase is here and here go well this fa the the phase on the ball field is that no longer the 50ft tall boat barn well what I could do is I mean let's everything's pretty fluid right because Nancy and I have met several many times now over the years and we've talked about and I I just finished that Last December, I had to get the existing condo associate because so old. It was done in 1996. Mhm. I had to get a vote of I think it was 75%. Had to approve, which we did, but it took took me two years to get this all, you know, for people to understand what we were doing. But now we actually created a thing called the Border Point Club. And what it really does is it just creates all general common elements that would allow us to do social memberships. Uh so they they said that that they would approve that if we wanted to go down that road and that's a way of solving some of their concerns with how big the building was the vote ramp the gas dock was basically the concerns that those I guess you know my question is is the gas is the gas dock still in the plan well it's in the existing plan but but it in in the plan that's in your head today is the gas dock there, not if I can replace it with social memberships. And so, I mean, let it all everything has to eventually boil down to cash flow,

right? It's got to be a workable business plan because the end has failed over and over and over again. I'm not I don't want like I mean I consider myself a failure already just because it took so long to get here and I've lost a lot of money doing it. But the end of the day I'd like to get it to a place where it has an operating budget that allows it to be maintained nicely instead of poorly right and not go bankrupt every so often which it's done repeatedly since what the 50s basically. Yeah, pretty much. Not so long. So it needs a cash. It needs an operating budget that's cash. So I can replace some of the like you know the gas station the gas pump and the ramp all that could be eliminated if we can get some participation from our neighbors who actually want I think they would want to come back. It used to be that this was like a community center for the whole point out there, right? People would come, they could go swimming there in the movies under the under the the uh hotel would be a fitness center. So, can I get there? I hope so. about these the planning commission has no um ability to uh promote uh and really endorse social memberships. I mean that's it's like selling selling hot dogs in the in in the cafe. Certainly not suggesting that we that's more between that would be between us, right? I mean, that's a the concerned citizens of Port Lake. Uh, and uh, but you know, the uh, the gas dock and the boat ramp and the boat barn kind of are the the circle of contention, if you will. Um, yeah. So

what we have tenatively discussed is that uh would be something I'd be willing to do if there are if if I see participation from the neighborhood. The boat building would be dramatically smaller. But we do need something. We do need some kind of a building in order to operate the facilities. I mean there has to be a place to put lawnmowers and you know boat trailers that are that guests bring right. So you correct me if I'm wrong, but we approved all those things. Yes. So, absolutely. But we they approved them in phases. That's why. So, technically what it says is that I have to do the uh restoration of the hotel and the commercial aspects first and then the uh marine aspects. So, is the marine are going to add to your cash flow? Yes. So basically kind of what I've been hearing is until the facility starts to turn a profit, some of these other things that aren't going to create cash for put on the back, right? No. No. Each one of those phases adds to the not only the income from the sale of condos, but the operating budget from the HOA. So the hotel would be hugely beneficial for the operating budget of the total property. Yeah. Right. But I think the pole bar is probably not well not not in the modified discussion that we're having right now where we would just shrink it down to a service facility, right? But no, if it were this that adds operating capital from storing people's boats. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, it's not just for people associated with well for storage purposes. No, the way

it works is this. If you have a marina, let's just say these these all these people are keeping their boats here, right? You in the winter they need to store them, right? They pay you to store to pull it, clean it, right? Fresh wash it. as well as there there would be enough room for uh some of our neighbors to store boats in there, too. We actually when we were going through this for three years, uh a lot of neighbors called me and said, "Hey, are you going to have enough space for me to put my boat in here?" So, 50 ft high is probably rack storage. Uh no, no, no, we didn't have rack storage. that some some of the boats need and that was just a maximum that there was like a I don't know what the code was but basically you need a 30 foot door because some of the boats are very deep field sailboats so yeah you need a 30ft door for a boat storage building so if you have a peak to it I guess I don't really remember why we came up with 50 ft but I think it was had to do with the pitch of the roof to the peak yes it was 50 ft to the peak absolutely That was the maximum height. So, we have the phases out there that you're operating under. Yeah. And um one of the I guess I'm going to just ask the rumor that I've heard is that your existing seaw wall in front of the end is 8 foot pilings. 8 foot sheeting. Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. Three feet in the ground. and that uh they are uh in danger of of washing out and if they if they wash out then the portage point in will become a floating motel. Well, not these lake levels. Yeah, it'll be a mess. But yes, I mean that's why I bought that's why I brought 30 foot sheeting in it. And and so we have a we

have a kind of a situation that is not uh the red flags aren't out there, but there maybe maybe a a light yellow one is out there for the condition of that seaw wall. And we have a ball field that's had sheet steel on it for the last 10 years. Yeah. A lot of money tied up in it. I'd like to and um put it to use. Yeah. You know, I my feeling is is that the condition of the ball field would go a long way towards um community sentiment towards the Bordage Point end. uh you know and and uh so I let me just throw it out there. Would you could could we discuss an amendment to the special use permit to change the phase to allow me to go to phase three uh because I've been delayed so long in getting the misal phase three. That's the that's uh improvements to the ball fields and the marina. So I could put the heating in the ground. I could put replace that old seaw wall. etc. Reminding you that I still have to get state and federal permits to do that. I have to get an Army Corps of Engineer permit. So that alone takes a couple years just to So Nancy, I'm going to let you react to what I just said. Just two things. One is because I noticed that almost all of I think all of the members of the planning commissioner knew. So, one of the things that was really important and I think um the township temper would share this with you that when this the previous planning commission wrote the

special use permit part of the reason for the phasing was making sure that the other pieces of the project didn't get done, money didn't exist and the hotel never got renovated. So they had felt very strongly that the biggest issue for the community was saving and preserving the portage point and the old historic hotel in some and that was the basis for the way Tom helped the planning commit previous planning commission write those phases and the rationale for that order. Um again you can certainly discuss you know whether or not that's still placed. The second kind of point of order is with the fact that there's a lawsuit and the state um the only way we can go forward on having you amend the SUP would be via an agreement that the judge approves. Right? So it it isn't something that you can amend as I understand it part of the SUP and not address the lawsuit. So we have to kind of do that together. And just so just so concerned citizens are are clear, there's no intention of making motions tonight. No, I I knew that. I just I just wanted to make sure everybody I'm not even I'm not petitioning anything and I'm certainly not against the idea that it is the the goal is to restore that hotel. I like I said a lot of money designing that hotel, the restor, you know, it's it's it's all ready to go. But um is the lack of sanitary sewer the delay for the hotel? Absolutely. What sort of condition is the hotel in today? It's closed. It's closed. It's sealed. I closed it. It's not deteriorating. 15 years ago. I put a new roof on it so it wouldn't walk through that hotel 25 or 30 years ago after they started

renovating the interior rooms. I think back then you think because back then they haven't been popular selling those units kind of mini inside the hotel maybe they they have been nicely redone at least the units that we walked through. Yeah I don't know. Uh well we plan on doing a lot nicer if I may say. Uh it's and it is in very rough shape now, but it's got a brand new we put a new roof on it so it would be preserved, but the so that the structure would be preserved and it is the structure is intact. But that being said, and maybe you'll remember this from the 2023 amendment. Uh we got under it when we were doing the engineering work and found out that it's the whole building is sitting on 9 in footage sitting in the sand. It has no foundation. So we're going to have to lift the whole structure up and build. And that's when we've presented that to you. This to make that entire lower floor a new basement basically. And we passed that. We passed that as a minor amendment. Yes. Exactly. and a swimming pool in the front yard. So, remember we did the So, uh I'm not sure where you were headed with that, but it's not a condition. I watched I watched the casino deteriorate over time. Yeah. Oh, I think I know what maybe this is insightful for you in uh was it 2012? I think we bought the we we ended up with the place accidentally in 2012 and I won't bore you with a story unless you want to hear it but uh and so when I came onto the property I I have my background is heavy construction. I've been a marine contractor heavy civil

work and I said the infrastructure doesn't look right. So turned out the water system was condemned. There was never a part 41 uh septic system approved by the state. Uh the fire marshall uh notified us that the so they were going to they were going to entirely the whole place was getting closed down. All the condos, cottages, you name it, right? And so I agreed, I negotiated with the state and said, "Hey, if I close the hotel and drop that demand, can we operate on the existing sewage system?" Because I don't know how they ever got open, but that what the system that's there was never approved and it would never have been approved because it was way too small. The fire suppression system never had enough flow, was never legal. I don't know how they got open or how it got approved, but it did. uh and the water system uh had to be completely replaced. So back when Hugh Rollins was still with us, he put in three brilliant uh wells for us and now we have a type one water system that's inspected quarterly and it operates. It's producing beautiful water. So anyway, so we started with the infrastructure. That's what initially closed the hotel and the kitchen. Sorry, the commercial kitchens had to be closed too. No, there were no proper waste management for a primitive quotation. So, so that's what we're doing now is we're just limping along, let's just say, and I can't open I can't move forward until we have a proper municipal wastewater system. We either build our own waist municipal system, which I don't know if it's even economically viable to do, but I am checking those costs up. And then you have to do all the we'd have to do

exactly what the building has to be. We have to operate that facility like we run a city which would be ridiculous for a time development. Well, it becomes a private sewer with a with a giant grass covered drain field. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, there's all kind it's it's because of it's more because of the density you have to run it like a type one system. you have to do all the reporting and analysis and you know it's just pretty involved. So yes, it's not like a residential grain field. you mind if I ask this one question I'm ask well the question I have about the private wastewater treatment facility on the ball field do you know have you found out from the road commission if they would allow you to use the vote eastment for that you mean for a horseman for a private sewer line yes and a public right Yes, you have. You have researched that. But that's not what we wanted. Has the current commissioner there's a whole bunch of new ones? Oh, I have they approved that. Nope. No. They I I don't know the the law in that area is complicated. Maybe, maybe not. But I think that's a critical thing to find out to see if that's even viable. Well, I hope the road commission would find a way to do it, but I don't know. Yeah. All of the I mean before I would even come to you and make a petition to amend down that avenue I first need to know whether it's even economically viable. I mean if it made if it started with a base cost of every condo has to sell for a million dollars. It's not going to work.

Can I ask a question? Of course you may. Um because you brought up the amendment in December of 2023. I remember um and I was not planning commission that I was not until May, but I had to research it because of something in May. So you were there were some amendments made because they were considered minor changes, but the major change relative to the cottages wasn't addressed at that time because it was considered major the dollhouse. For the dollhouse. Yeah, we withdrew that. I'm thinking different development. That's why I said cottages. Yeah. Well, they are cottages. So then um I remember my first planning commission was going to be a public hearing on the dialouses and then that's withdrawal. So I guess where I'm getting with that is two of the dialouses, as I understand, have been sold. Mhm. What I'm having a difficult time with is understanding how under the special use permit, how that was in accordance with that since the special use permit talked about the dollhouse was being moved to the area of the ballpark for you to adjust the site plan. And so from my perspective, unless I'm missing something, so that's why I'm asking the question. Good question. You're in violation of the the buyer special use permit right now. So I'm helping with that. There you go. The buyers. So again, phasing, right? Phase three would be where we would move the existing dialouses down to the ball fields, the six dialous. Yep. Okay. The buyers of those units bought a site condo. They

bought the footprint of where the approved doll houses will go. So at this so they're subject to the same conditions I at some point maybe unless we amend it they would be moving those dialouses would be moved and they're going to build exactly what you approved. Do you do you remember what the what what the new doll houses are? They're seven instead of six. They're wider and longer and they have two stories. The building Wait, the buildings are still there though. And they have to be until phase three is implemented. So how So how can somebody buy a a site condo? They're basically buying a piece of land when No, I understand. Yeah, I'm a I've developed condominium. Okay. That's why I'm having a tough time understanding how a site condo was sold when there's an existing those site plan that had buildings on it. But those units can't be are basically there nothing changes the status quo until phase three is implemented. Right. So those would stay there until we do phase three till we're allowed to do phase three. Does that make sense? Not at all. You guys, I'm having trouble with how you can sell a site condo on there. So, basically, it'd be what if I sold the whole place? What if I just sold the entire problem to one to to 10 people or whatever, right? They're subject to the same conditions I'm subject to. You buy that property, right? You become a partner, if you will, the deal. then you have to follow the guidelines of that special use

permit when it's when it's implemented. So it's operating it maybe this is a better way of saying it. I'm trying to understand from a title insurance or a title viewpoint that that's just not making sense to me. Well, those units that are there now are sitting on that foundation, that parcel of land that is part of the special use permit, right? They're in that location. But right, but right now the the doll houses are a condominium themselves. No, this they're sight condos. The whole that track it's kind of actually all the cottages are that way. All those cottages that are there. Well, because we do have cottages that aren't valous. If you go up uh Ninth Street, I guess ninth Yeah, Ninth Street. All of those cottages that are there, the Lake View, the Rexwood, Rexwood's not there. Remember, Avalon, the White Cottage, the Hall House, those cottages are sight condos, right? So the people that own those cottages own a plot of land that they can do whatever they want to do within that they and they pay for their own maintenance. Yes. And that's what the dialouses are subject to too. So, if we were following this and the and the and the 2023 amendment strictly, and we got to phase three, you would you would pick up cottage number four, let's say. Yeah. And you'd move it to the ball field. Yes. because it that c the structure itself

wasn't owned by those people who bought the the people who bought number four that you're calling a site condo. Yeah. They're subject to the same conditions that I they have they have that piece of land where the actual structure was and you're going to move it to the ball field. Well, and sell it again. No, the intent of those was to be able to put up employees, right? Everybody was going to do employee housing. Yeah, that's what the goal was. But I mean, theoretically, let's just say that we uh wanted to leave those doll houses on that track of land, right? All of them. All six of them. The current where they are right now. Yeah. because we don't build a boat storage building. And I mean, it's just so fluid for me to to be specific. But if we implemented, let's we got a sewer, we went through all the phases, we get to phase three, we put up that full-size building, the whole follow exactly what that special use permit, those dialouses then would be moved down and I would replace that structure with the approved structure. I don't think that's going to happen right now just because it's pretty fluid, but that is potentially what would happen. Does that make sense? [Music] Not in my mind. Well, what would what would happen if I sold the property, the whole thing? The people would be buying subject to some current land use rights. So, the fact that I sold some of the property, not all of it,

doesn't change the zoning. Is that a better way to say it? Or if I had a partner, so is that I'm just trying I want to make sure I'm addressing your concern. Is it Go ahead. I want to look somewhere. So, it uh you know, I'm I'm pleased that you know, you're doing some work on the ball field. Uh but it sounds like you need to park yourself on either Wayne Miller's doorstep or on Nordland Associates and find out and and find out what this what the what the sewer answer is. I met with Norland on Wednesday morning on my way up. Um everything beyond that is is a what if I wasn't Yeah. I mean, I feel a little bit disorganized coming here because I really didn't have like a presentation to make, you know, and and I think, you know, we the the existing special use permit kind of was um you used the word fluid. Well, the timetable in in in in the special use permit is beyond fluid. Uh it's just like well something may happen and if something happens something else might happen and and then then we'd have to deal with something else coming along and and uh and I look at I mean if I had any control over you know the sewer system obviously is

something that is outside of my ability to control I just so for eight years I've struggled worked with David Meister extensively and Tim Irvin and a lot of other people in the community who want to see municipal sewer system come in. We had a good thing going with the little river band of auto Indians and then that got switched by the you know the grant monies that was promised by the US department of agricultures rural development funds and then the two lake the three lake system became the two lake system and then I mean it was hours I you know untold amount of efforts went into that. So, I I don't know what to say other than nobody is more upset about the municipal sewer system than I am. Would you be opposed to like sit down with like a few members of the planning commission and literally go through this to get rid of whatever Sure. does not apply. Absolutely. I'm I'm here every Wednesday and Thursday. Duncan can maybe cut me free. I'm try or whenever you tell me when you're I can drive up most most anytime. Do you have a time schedule for sanitary sewer service? I mean, you talked about, well, if the village doesn't happen, you you'll do your own type of systems. Well, that's what I'm researching. I mean, we I I here's the only timeline I can really give you, and that is my wife says when you turn 70, you're done. We're leaving. So, I'm I'm going to sell the place as is. Where is if I hit 70? I really would like to see it done, but I am getting old.

Either my kids are going to have to take Yeah. I have grandkids now. Your grandchildren to go and visit. So, anyway. Oh, I understand that one. Yeah. seven months old. So yeah, now all of a sudden we're moving to Colorado. But anyway, six years. Six years to get this done. Yeah. Six years, right? So has So has there been any engineering work completed to the state to see whether or not the village system they probably can't accommodate it, but you'd have to make there have to be improvements to accommodate it. That's I mean you're probably familiar with the issues with the system. they have infill have to solve the infill problem. That's it. So they don't violate their discharge. So as you which is an existing problem. It's not it's not a problem that would be created. It does happen. So as so if if it does come to fruition that we can make improvements to to the village system which of course means that they have now re generated from not from they be able to handle Annie's point the lead and us. Right. Well, but Aunt Little Eden wants to make him up the other side of the road and so that was approved and then they pulled it back because not everybody. So, well, they had to they had to withdraw their approval of it because they found out that they can't help handle the sewage and today. So you can create a special assessment district or where is that? Yeah. Yeah. Guess that up to Well, I mean we was I was disappointed with that too late.

Well, I was hoping it it was going to be approved, right? you know, and the money, the cost, it was just uh, you know, we thought they offered us $22 million. We the initial intent was for it to cost a total of 36, I think. All a sudden it went up to $68 million. We're like, "Oh my goodness, this is ah, and what was it in 1973? Million and a hand, right?" So, and people were tearing the survey stakes out of the ground all around the lake. No. I didn't know that. That Oh, they had a system designed for all around Lily. I mean, in the in the very early 70s or might even be in the late 60s. Wow. There was a I can remember the survey stakes going through Red Park and and you come up wake up the next morning and survey sticks be all gone. We don't need that stink at the sewer. We've got 55gallon drums in our yard. They work just fine. Um, so it's very unfortunate. It sounds like we're in a kind of a hurry up and wait situation. Uh, a long time. But I I think uh Cindy's point of of going through this and and perhaps trying to uh have it more accurately reflect whatever fluidity there is at this point and get rid of whatever is not going to happen and make sure that different finance effect and all that that everything's still good and then subject to any other review that we need

and I've been in contact with Tom Greer And so, uh, he he's made me very aware of the fact that, uh, you know, don't just jump off the bridge in a hurry because, uh, it's going to take a a lot of cooperative efforts to get anything like this done. So, would you like to try and set a date or do you want to just call me or whatever? I'm good either way person. Yeah, I mean, but I don't know if everybody else agrees with doing that. That was just my suggestion. Would there be planning commission members who would be willing to get from Mr. is on that outline in terms of how he would like to prioritize the phases and what he wants done. I mean, do you you have it in your mind in terms of you know I think I heard Nancy say that we really can't change some of this without going go judge. So I'm not really clear about what we we can do without Am I correct? Yeah. So, there's a lawsuit by CCPL against the township, the planning commission, and finance. Um, it's currently on stay. We've stayed the gone to the judge and said we're negotiating for six years, I think. Um, as we waited for the sewer, etc. because we don't also want to ask everybody to go through um trying a case that may not be what it ends up being built. That being

said, the state does call for us being a part of negotiating some sort of settlement. We can take that to the judge, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with the planning commission and Bob just making changes and leaving our issues unresolved in that process with an amended SP. So, we would likely oppose that with the judge if we can be part of the discussion and we can and I don't even think that's what I was saying. I think what I'm trying to get at is I'm I'm listening to what I'll call fluid comments and I'm looking at an SUP and I'm trying to get a better understanding by saying what on here is intended to remain and not that's more for an understanding viewpoint. Um, so if I may, I'll I'd like to state what Nancy is talking about slightly different, and that is that if you and I I mean, I don't have anything specific in mind, but if township, if if the two of us get together, we say, "Hey, this is what I think we can approve. This is the direction I'm comfortable with. The financials look like that would work." We come up with an amendment, we present it to Nancy, right, and say, "Hey, is this or to your group and say, "Hey, is this something that you uh feel comfortable with?" And if they say no, it leaves two options. One, just go through the litigation, let the judge decide, and it's, you know, it is what it is. Or two, maybe they're going to say, "Would you tweak a couple of things that that would make us happy?" and you see if you can reach a you know mediated cell those is that correct is that's a

fair way of saying it but at some point you got to start planning something and u I get it we've been at this for eight years I'm not going to you know try keep trying for municipal soup forever but I haven't completely given up on pursuing it and neither David Meister is still willing to you know put his time in So if if we if we want to keep pursuing municipal sewer for the benefit of the community and you know all of us, great. Let's keep trying. But I'm certainly not against coming up with another business plan. It just needs to work. It has to leave the place sustained. Be appropriate for you as a representative to concerned citizens to detail what the issues are. I I am I'd be happy to reiterate them. I've been pretty clear in all my written by etc. So our issues are with the working the idea of a working marina at portrait. Those are our most important the lawsuit has men but those are the most important issues to us. So we object to a gasa. We object to the boat haul out on Ninth Street because we would argue that um the deed that established the Portage Point Summer Resort Corporation, the the whole development gave us access as land owners to those roads. Um therefore, the township can give away the public's right to access the water right there, but they can't give away those of us who own property on that. So, particularly for the people of Ninth Street, the um fact that the township and the road commission gave away um to the portage point in or yeah, gave up their their right to the

road, but couldn't be vacated because a judge had previously said no, you can't do that. So on the Ninth Street issue, so the boat haul out is an issue for us there and the access particularly for people on Ninth Street and our issue with the boat barn as we told Bob is the size and the light industrial use. The idea of a storage building probably is is not those are the killer issues in our mind. If we can agree to a settlement that takes out the commercial marina aspect of the portage point in we're probably pretty close to something that we could agree to. The issue always with Bob when we've been sitting down to do this is his condo issue which now sounds the the paper the how the condo association was structured and understanding his cost and feasibility for a septic solution which doesn't seem like it's still close to being resolved until what he's what you've always told us is until I know that I can't really negotiate because I don't know my total cost structure and I don't know if I can give up the working arena pieces of the project and find any other way to get through it. It sounds like that's still where you just nailed it. Summarize it. Yeah, pretty much. So, it sort of puts the ball. I hate that as Mr. Bradford just have one question that's primarily for you. Um, are you suggesting that the state that the judge issued prevents our planning commission from issuing any or having a a hearing to potentially amend the special use permit? Is that the document

that does that? Yes, I believe so. Um, I it certainly gives me the right to go back to the judge and say, "Hey, they're moving forward with changes. We want to bring it into the court instead of the language in here doesn't specifically say that. It says that you should be generally apprised and kept in longer. I think if you read all the legal needs, it says that the stay could be vacated. I can decide that we're not our group could decide that we're no longer having to have the case on stay and decide to move forward to the judge at any point in time. So that's not that that's what I'm getting at. That's not specific what that's but there's a segment you could have the statement if you weren't happy. Yep. So I I guess my other question is um and I was you know I was on the planning commission years ago. I'm on the calendar board now but Bob it feels like you got to figure this out with CCTL for this board and you know we're going to be sitting here three years from now what I'm hearing today. So, well, I I as a as a representative of the voters of this township, I mean, I think everybody's frustrated with the lack of progress on that. And some of that feels to me like it was self-imposed about it. Um, you know, so I think you guys need to work it out and figure it out. And at the end of the day, my opinion only is if if Mr. Gazan can't have a viable economic model to run that hotel, then that hotel's going to get bulldozed. And I don't think anybody wants to see that. That's my opinion. That's all. But so the only comment I or I would like to make for that is that if we come up with a new business plan that is involves an amendment and the township says yes, we could approve that. There are two alternatives to settling with CCPL. One is to go to them and say this is what we came up with. it deletes, you know, three of the four things you were

concerned with. Can you go along with that? They said, "No." Then the the way to resolve the conflict is just to fight it out in court, right? Let the judge decide what's whether CCPL's concerns are strong enough to overturn the township's decision. But at the end of the day, it begins with an amendment that or it begins with what we've already approved andor any amendment to that. And I I look my goal is and I think Nancy is too. We I would love to see Portage Point in be the community center for the whole point. All the neighbors joining in, coming feeling like they're part of the in the whole community. And that's what and that revenue center if people buy a social membership and pay a small amount of dues every year that adds up those those that can that could offset a lot of the operating capital that's needed to make that place viable. But um until we I until we know what the cost of I I don't even know what this what the sewer solution looks like at this point and that's that if if we can't solve the septic issue in some fashion. Yeah, you bulldoze the hotel and you know put a couple cottages there and sell them. I guess I don't know that's a whole I mean talk about fluid, right? I don't want to I don't want to create confusion by just rambling but that is kind of the spectrum of options, right? You just bulldoze everything, make some empty lots, put up a couple of nice cottages, and move on. If I can just Yeah. One, CCPL has been and always will be ready to sit down and talk at any point in time in detail. We haven't had many discussions because so many of these

questions are unknown and Bob wasn't in the position to negotiate um on details right other than concepts. to I think what CCPL and certainly my sense of the broader community would say that preserving the hotel and that building is a worthy goal and we would certainly be supportive of that whether or not it's the center of the community and a big community center I think may be less critical to many people um than Bob's description. You know, it's if if it was stable and operating and the condo owner it's filled with condos and that's what the solution is, I think people would feel better about that than their current concerns, which is it's going to deteriorate, have to be bulldozed and and lose. So, we're willing to sit down and talk at any point in time. I guess the question back is are we really ready to sit and wait for the village to take action which they may or may not be able to do and for how long? Um, that will be the question my group my board had that I would have to answer. It was like, so we're going to go back to the judge and say we're still going to sit another year while we wait for maybe hopefully the village will decide they can figure out how to deal with their sewer system. That will be a big question for my That would certainly be a big a big question in my mind. Is the is the timeline for for the village solution three years and the timeline for a private sewer two years? Well, and that's I mean does any I think you've

been around for a long time. Do you know Wayne Miller pretty well? I I know Wayne I think David Meister knows him quite well. Is there anybody else that would be willing to go along and meet with the village? Well, I I mean I know Wayne because he he he saved my house. Well, there we go then. I'm I I'm just throwing ideas out here, but whatever would help uh unify the villages needs and desires and the townships and the individuals in the township like myself. Maybe that's a good meeting to to to to have everybody at. I don't What about with relate to the sewer? Yeah. With fixing the village's sewer system. Quick comment. I mean, I think you probably know more about this, Chris, than I do, but I understand the village is about to embark on close to $2 million repairs to the existing sewer, and they have except Correct. Yeah, because they've had license abandoned, right? Do a bunch of engineering work. But I mean ultimately the sewer discussion is also going to revolve around cost, right? Who's going to pay for it? So good point. The village is a lot infiltration groundwater. I think that's what I guess they like a contractor. Did they find a bleak? I think they found millions. They did kind of Wow. is adding volume capacity sewer system that they can remove. Yeah. So, well, that's really good news.

That's that's I mean that's first I've heard of that. So, that's that's it. That solves the problem. Well, I don't know. that you know we have to ask you know that it would it would it would help but I don't think it's going to be a significant improvement where you going to pick up a lot of capacity in that sewer system. Yeah, I don't have the numbers, but from what I was told, it's the infill was significant. So, one one other concern I have kind of unrelated everything been talked about, but you know, we mentioned or was mentioned the casino was demolished. Um, as I drive past that, I'm just concerned that that orange snow fence really isn't an adequate safety barrier. Well, because there's a there's that basement and a drop off just just troubles me that it looked to me like an accident waiting there. I I would um the um the code enforcement officer was supposed to show up at Portage Point in today and and make a and make a list. Not not he's not writing tickets. He's making a list. I don't know. I don't know if Mike showed up or not today. You don't uh stinking through the bushes or whatever. We were in the marine all day, but that would be the kind that would be the kind of thing he would look at if that was a safety concern. And there may be some sections of that say that are rough shape, but so

we want to have a meeting with small planning commission subcommittee meeting just just to review things in this which aren't really germanine to today's world and we want to have a meeting um we want to or at least encourage the meeting with with Wayne Miller and and the village um whatever the answer is but you know as each day that goes by without an answer is another day when you're saying I don't have a plan I still have a plan, but yes. Yeah. I don't know if it can be what we can and cannot change or if we if we can't change. I know you said that it's there, but it would be nice to confirm that that we can't do anything without a judge or I don't know if it's just the things that are in the lawsuit, it's the whole the whole STP. Well, yeah, we challenged the SP. Okay. So, yeah. I would just like to you certainly should talk to Tom Gur. Again, this was spent a whole bunch of time. I mean, it's great to have discussions and find out where you are and where you want to be, but in the end, we can't touch it. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, Cindy. I think it was just your suggestion was just to meet in front to look at what's on here that really is not in Bob's mind today. Correct. To get an understanding. way I read which is inform try to get an understanding which may or may not take a next step. I don't know the answer to that but you know you get so many questions and if you read this I mean just the little bit that I've

heard tonight there's a lot of things in that here that probably are not going to happen that probably both groups would agree to. I would just like I I think it would be helpful to the planning commission and helpful to the community potentially in the long run to to have a better understanding and then we can determine what we need to do if anything can move forward. But to start talking about amendments on new stuff when I think this is still up in the air just doesn't make sense. and anything you discuss. First copy would go to Tom Greer and and the second copy of it goes to you. Uh and uh so that we make sure problem having anybody else there. I mean, I just I think it's hard to have that kind of discussion when you're not sitting here looking at this page by page and saying, "Okay, and getting that kind of an understanding." It's just kind right now it seems like we're just having this loosey goosey kind of fluid up here discussion and I'm sitting here trying to say, "Okay, how does that equate to stuff I'm seeing on here?" Yeah. I don't care who. Yes. No. Maybe any any interest on the side of the room? If it happens, well, it can happen if if we get It's like a public meeting

just smaller. The only reason I'm suggesting I mean I could go over to portion point in and talk to Bob personally and just say hey help me understand. I was just trying to move at least a thought process forward on what currently exists. If there is something that currently exists that there's no way in the world is ever going to move forward for whatever reason, I would like to have that understanding. And then you basically then go and rep prioritize, right? What's left out of that 2017 document and come up with a modified phasing schedule, right? And then if something does need to be amended, then to go through the process, then go through whatever the process is that needs to be amended. But to just keep revisiting and revisiting, to me, it's just we're not getting anywhere. And I and I don't know, but maybe the maybe the um items in in contention u are their bargaining chips, but so is the phasing. Um and maybe one one could offset the other, right? Well, I certainly I what I'm quite sure of is in a lawsuit that the the parties can all sit down and talk. So, I guess my concern would be for the planning commission and Bob to agree on something and then, you know, us not having a voice and having to then causing to go back to do it. If if everybody wants to sit down in a small group of people from all of the books,

that makes sense to me as well. But um as I said, I we wouldn't we would be happy if we could get rid of the operating marina and you're ready to move forward on eliminating that from the plan. We could solve the lawsuit, I would think, quite quickly. Bob's not been willing to do that until he understands all his costs. So that's I think the question. I can appreciate that he needs to pay for the sewer in order to have the in. Well, if we were to do this with, let's say, two planning commissioners and Bob Nancy, if you were available, I'd be happy to. I don't think we'd be violating the open meetings act, but I don't see any reason not to have it. If people want to come, they come. But I mean, well, if there's more form, you have to Yeah. I think it would be anybody to do it be a good idea just to nullify the probably I won't show up but it can again I I would have to go talk to I'm not sure of the certainly in the negotiating session that's part of resolving this isn't even negotiate this is just understand saying hi here is FB be are you is there any possibility that's going to happen just from his perspective only right now to try to understand this that's and and yes if you had two planning commissioners it's not subject to the open meetings act and I see no reason not to have wants to be here only five minutes

stay tuned for the start your business. But if you're immuneable to that, I mean again and even just Do you have my number? No, but I can get it. Shave it. Yeah. done with the Well, I uh I didn't really intend for us to come to a a solution tonight, but uh the uh I think the conversation has been useful. I think the focus on on the sewer and the two options for the sewer because I think you have to you have to be proceeding at blank speed on on on the village and at the same time getting the costs for option option B uh so that you know what your choices are. Um, those wheels are in motion and that would involve an amendment because then I have to add that extra piece of land to the special. Uh, I don't think we filled the fire hall with people over getting a sewer for the so anything else that we get together. I guess I wouldn't mind people aware of what's going on, right? We could you could have performed as long as we

need but it does help to like slow down the bathroom without and would CCPL just like to be informed or would like would they like to she may be here may be here if you're around. Yeah, for sure. I would like to be informed as if it was Yes, I was. Yes, sir. So, and I certainly don't object to having Nancy at a meeting, but I do find that uh if it is a general meeting and then 30 people show up, nothing gets accomplished. just end up off on tangents for hours and what you could have done in 15 minutes. Well, I'm not and I'm not I don't know. Do you have to have if you have a quorum? Does it have to have 30 people in the audience as well? I mean, is that can you have a closed can't you have a closed door something or other? I don't know. It's a public comment. You can silence anyway. Yeah, normally there's not just it sometimes turns into chaos, but whatever. If you want to do it, that's fine. But however, however you want to do it. Uh just a question on you said the county enforcement guy was going to go inspect the local whether he did or didn't. When that gets done, if he's identified any, you know, issues with compliance with current condition, what's the process for informing that about that sort of practice? Well, I'll find out from I'll find out from the zoning administrator if he indeed went out there. That's the first thing for me to do. What I'm saying is if he if he has found violations, how does what's the steps on? I I don't know what enforcement procedures are. So, I would suggest that there be a conversation with Bob to say, "Look, we found this. We'd like to see if you can

get it corrected." obviously which I think is their standard operating procedure or any tickets or anything like that is issued with the idea of you know we want to just make sure that we're doing things appropriately because there's provisions in the settlement agreement that referencing compliance and all that stuff and I greatly appreciate the effort to clean up the ball. I mean, I think that it along way sort of falling all the community comments, but if there's other things that are, you know, are easily fixed, it would be great. All we need to do is convince the community that the ball field is not your neighbor next door. Two problems. Okay. Well, thank you very much for coming tonight. Thank you for your time. have I need a couple last names. Duncan, what you want to say? I don't have a last name. Marshall Service is tired of relocating. It's like Sher and Madame. It's Micole. Be m C O L. O L. And um Nancy Swans. Well, I guess I can spell that. Yeah, like there we go. Like hers. Like me. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, thank you. Get back to work. Keep keep on keeping on. Chris sent out a text version of the dark sky

the village users. Did anybody have a chance to look at it? question. So, I forwarded this email from Mary Riley and she made a comment about will it be amendment or new regulatory or I didn't understand if it's in the zoning code then you look biggest biggest grandfather. So we said the zoning code anybody doesn't until they come in make a change in modification is outside of the zoning code and it's just not in the code of ordinances nothing and whatever this was part of this was part of the um I just had a question about the gas canopy. I was just saying if it could just be canopy lighting, make it more general. Otherwise, this is great. Um, the reason why it's only where are you at? I'm on three. Got it. Got it. You're on. Could it just be canopy lightings and fly? I mean, I realize that there might not be other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could sort of like spot zoning, you know, bit say gas station. So let's see I'm trying to recall why it's called out because the definition is a can of structure. So could you add such a fascination under the definition [Music] or not? I don't think it would be necessary. I think I I don't I'm not recalling why it

was singled out as gas station, but but you're right. I mean I mean you could you could easily remove a gas station and just call it canopy lighting because canop lights. Yeah. Well like in the village uh West Shore Bank is a canopy structure because you can go to the ATM there. Oh, and and vehicles can pass through it. And I certainly don't think they need the same lighting standards that a gas station does. Um, one of the other things that that Mary mentioned was, is there capacity for enforcement? But if it's a zoning amendment, would you have to deal with it's just new and that would be approved through? Yeah, I mean it would be the zone. Um and then just changing village to township. Those are my comments. I don't think this is anything we need to brush into and perhaps we get some new insight when more of the chairs are full. Uh you'd like we can move on to new business. Okay. Um, new business. Uh, this morning I received an email, Bob Johnson. Um, dear Chairman Wallace and members of the Onaca Township Planning Commission, it's with a heavy heart that I submit my resignation from the Township Planning Commission effective immediately. This decision was not made lightly, but after careful consideration, I believe it is necessary at this time. Serving on the commission has been a privilege and I am deeply grateful for the opportunity to

contribute to the growth and well-being of Bonakma Township. The experience has been both educational and rewarding and I am thankful for the knowledge I have gained and the collaborative efforts with members. I extend my heartfelt appreciation to the late Jim Trout for his dedicated service and to you chairman Dave Wallace for your steadfast leadership and commitment to our community. Your tireless efforts have been an inspiration have greatly benefited on Ama Township. I did not pay for that sentence. Thank you once again. Thank you once again for the opportunity to serve. I wish the commission continued success and and in its endeavors to shape a vibrant future for our township. Sincerely, Rob Johnson. Uh Rob did tell me that he has accepted a position on the county 911 board and that's going to be taking up a lot of his time along as being fire chief. So that suddenly gives us two vacancies on the planning commission and lo and behold at this time we have we've put uh ads out for planning commission members and we got two responses. So instead of being faced with two applicants and one position, we are faced with two applicants and two positions. Um the two applicants we had were David Gleason uh who's a resident in Red Park and uh Ted Arens who lives down on President Beach Road beyond your house. It's all like I don't know what else. Is that right? Isn't that good? Yeah. Towards the chain. Um I don't know if any of you know them. That may have met

a couple of times. Dave Leon ran for trustee. Yeah, I've met and I I don't think I've ever met Ted Aaron, but you have I have what's the process? The process is you've been told who we have applying and we could we could ask them to come in for interviews. Uh you could um you could just say, "Hey, I know them." That'd be a great addition. Uh uh and then we recommend to Supervisor Meister that he make those appointments and he makes the appointments, not us. Well, not knowing anything about them, I'm can't speak unless I would like to leave reference calls or something. Yeah. The the only thing I would say um knowing both of them a little bit I neither one has planning commission experience so I don't think it's like weighing that one has more experience for serving than the other. So, um, well, you don't have to choose, it sounds like. So, what No, but I was just saying, you know, just when I reviewed their applications or resumes, was that what was in I think Jennifer Jennifer. Yeah. You know, they both just expressed desire to make the community a better place to live. Um, and do you know what

their background is? Um, Dave Leon is uh military. We get a resume or something that gives a little more detail. Yeah. Experiences, you know, I mean, I don't think short of short of being straightforward or nobody comes to the planning commission with a lot of planning and zoning experience. We all kind of wandered in. I mean, I did wander in 25 years ago and do it. But, uh, it's not the kind of thing you forget. No. Well, yeah. Yeah. You have it down state, but we Yeah. I mean, it was a much different planning commission because we actually did zoning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I we've yet to see a zoning change in this in this township. No, these the village is way ahead of you because we made changes to the lighting ordinance. We made changes and I'm speaking of changes changes from egg egg one to residential two or something. I guess I'm not hing on what changes people coming in saying I want to change the zoning on this land. Yes. Right. Oh yeah, we we've changed things. Oh yeah, we do text amendments. Oh, I thought I'd take a deep dive into the fairgrounds, you know. So what's your pleasure for movement on these two applications? It would be good to ask to interview them. have conversation with them.

I agree. I agree. Uh and do uh I feel I I always feel it's a little unfair to have one applicant sitting here listening to the other applicant being interviewed. You can't restrict them. You can't restrict them. What does that mean? You can't restrict. It's an open meeting. You can I mean if one's sitting here and the other one's being interviewed one of us can interview them and provide information or has to be in public meeting just asking or you can't schedule one for 8 8:00 and one for 8:15. Yeah, because you can't restrict the one at 8:15 from not being here at 8. Yeah, it's an open meeting. It has to happen in the meeting, but we don't all need to be there. Well, I would because I trust your I'm not saying I wouldn't like to be there, but I'm just This is new to me. I've never been involved in this process. I've just been told so and so's on the board in the past, so I'm used to the old days. I Were you interviewed? I sent a letter. I was a I think some people knew me. Oh, I could send I sent a letter. We used we used to do interviews back when during my professional days. Yeah, we would interview candidates. Well, I didn't. The planning commission did. I was just there for the staff. Mhm. Well, the only reason I mean and if you if you feel comfortable just proving them that's fine. The only reason I said interview is because you wow there's not much here. I don't know anything about them. And so at least if you had a conversation with them, you would can we ask them to come and present a little bit information about themselves? Maybe less of an interview, more of a basically would just come and summarize their resume and

meet them, you know. I mean because I mean if if Mr. Gleason was military, what capacity was he in the military? You know, maybe what he did there would Yeah. Yeah. Well, would be helpful here. Well, and I suppose really wouldn't matter if they were here at the same time. I mean, they're both two two applicants from two vacancies. They're not exactly the same against each other. I think it' be okay. When you have your candidate forums, everybody's there and here's everybody else's answer. So, your experience in that? Yeah, we heard every candidate say, "I support the master plan." And I think it got to Dave Gleon and he said, "Well, it's been said six times already and I support the master plan." So the next question is, "Did you read it?" Action Dave Leon did. So and and we want to have try to have a a special meeting to get them approved before at the ne for the next township board meeting. talk about that. Give them sure. So our meeting's July 19th maybe. Uh seventh 17. Yeah. The and the township board will be the what township board be the 16th or the 9th? The second Wednesday of the third. No, it's the third. Okay. So I said the 19th resp. So we could try to be the week of the seventh Thursday. Yeah.

Well, let me let me see what I can talk to the two candidates and see what their schedules look like and we so you folks will be available like around the 10th. I am there is the 17th is moving. No, but he's trying to do I'm trying I'm trying to so the township board can act on Yeah. Okay. Very good. Um moving around. But you're going to talk to them first before we settle in on the date of the meeting. Only to invite them to see if they're available on the 10th. I can record it. Sure. Yeah, that'll be fine. I'm not available on the 10th. Yeah, I can. That's all we're going to do. I think Yes, that's all we're going to do. Yes. Um, with that, uh, is there further public comments? Just want to go back to that safety issue that I'm concerned about because I didn't realize Mike is the Serbrook, right? Is the code enforcement. Yes. He's not building for he's not going to be looking at that fence. And so I mean you mentioned before that that demolition occurred without a permit. The permit should have been should have come from the Bureau of Construction Codes from the state for demolition. So, I just don't think that blinding plastic fence is adequate when there's like a eight or n foot drop off on the back of it into that basement. Well, I was told he got the he got the demolition permit after the fact from zoning administrator for 10 bucks. No, administ Okay, there's the the do demolition. It's it's a form of construction. There's a form from a state. is form

324. He should have applied to the state for that since we don't have building uh inspectors in the county of rural Michigan. Well, there may be a land use permit as well. I don't know. But so about the fencing, who would who would be the person to respond to that? I would contact the Bureau of Construction Codes in uh well the state. I can't off the top of my head I can't think of the the local enforcement office there. There is one works regularly man county I think he's from man state. All right but if you Google it there's like a map of who covers what what areas with the names and wers. Okay. Anything else? Going going there a journey. [Music]