Heritage Commission - Regular Meeting

Hey, Melissa. Hi. I guess, Bill, if your camera's off, but you're right there. Hey, Bill.

Hi, Bill.

Hey. Sorry. I'm having camera problems switching from my work computer to my personal one.

No worries.

Hey. We

have everyone we're expecting. Right?

I

believe. Alright. Let's go ahead and call this to order at 05:30 right on time.

Okay. Formality roll call. Chair Miller?

Present.

Vice Chair Hicks. Excuse for today and so is commissioner Knight Malik and commissioner Becker. Commissioner Steadman? No. Commissioner Patrick?

Here.

Commissioner Cotter?

Present.

Commissioner Shepherd? Present. And commissioner Bowman?

Present.

Awesome. And then I I suppose others present, would you mind stating your first and last names, and I'll have you on this list as a team?

Just call them injections.

Right? I'm Chris Chris Hoffman. Thank you.

Chair of Thurston County Star Commission.

And I'm Rob Kirkwood with the Pearson County Star Commission.

Thank you. Chirologist GIS specialist. Awesome.

Okay. Excellent.

Alright. Next item, approval of the agenda. Does anyone have any questions or comments regarding the agenda? No. Okay. Hearing none, we'll approve that by consensus. Approval of the minutes from July 23, I'm gonna rely on those of you who are present. Anyone had any questions, additions, clarifications? Fun. Fun. Fun? Yeah. I know I want a

full report.

I'll do that at some point. Okay. Hearing none, let's approve that by consensus as well. Public comment is the next item. Doesn't look like we have anyone here that isn't already on the agenda. So we'll pass over that and go to announcements. Britney, anything in this section?

I think I have some things for the reports section. Save it for that? Yeah. Save it for that.

K. Excellent. Okay. That brings us to our business items tonight. We have two. The first one is the meet and greet with Thurston County Historic Commissioners. Welcome. Thank you for coming. Looking forward to getting to know you a little better.

Good. We do. We are getting we're going to nail you as well. Excellent.

So, yeah, we have been trying over the last several months to try to meet with the different historic organizations. So I really appreciate you coming in. And, also, we are trying to get out too. So, you know, if you ever get

a chance to come to one of your meetings, fantastic.

So you want me to do my pitch? Yeah. Alright. Well, Rob Rob and then my fellow commissioner Chris, we've decided we'd like to know more of the county groups as well, other groups in the county. And I actually, I think I first came up with Mary Grace way back when we should be planning some group gatherings together. And of course, somehow COVID and whatever else all got in the way, and it's all sort of falling apart. We have been doing what we call heritage day for five years. They've doing it

ever since I've been here. It's that long.

So The first two or three were online because of COVID. We have I now had three out at Heritage Hall at the Paragraphs. We have speakers, and what we do is ask our Heritage grant recipients to come and present what they've been up to, so everybody has a chance. There's kind of an outgrowth of down through the since or down through the years. It used to be a biannual or twice a year event, and it turned their people weren't showing up.

So it just turned into sort of a all the history history, and that's getting together and talking. So that was sort of that concept behind Heritage Day too. We're not so much trying to outreach to the community, but just get the people who are already interested to come and talk to each other and catch up with other people who doing. So I brought a flyer for that. I had to ask where this particular building was. It's pretty cool. Looking spooky building. It's out of Bordeaux. The old Bordeaux. Mhmm.

So that's kinda cool. And this is September 6, and I don't know if we pressured you guys into showing up or not. But we are welcome to come out on September 6. And, theoretically, we celebrate Thurston County's birthday. That's one of our primary responsibilities. So we have cupcakes. And then we have speakers. And then the Nisqually tribe has got some young dancers coming this year. Great.

So what the one of our commissioners, Eric Kitzmacher, is a really active historian, self promoter, I would say. But he he leads a haunted Olympia tour every month downtown, and he he's a speaker a lot of times on cruise ships. Should be the the historian when they do the cruises up the Columbia River. And so this year, he's really been pushing to put together a folklore day. He's really into folklore and storytelling and folk crafts and and whatnot.

So this year, he's our featured speaker, and he'll be speaking about folklore.

And

then he's invited a storyteller group from Olympi, I guess. It's on that it's on that sheet. Yeah. South Sound Storyfield? South Sound Storyfield.

Yeah. So after our regular program, they will be there and be more viral, I think, to share stories. The deal with the speakers has been fairly recent. A few years ago, we had when Doctor. Delma Jackson had printed a book on blacks in Thurston County, She gave a real good presentation on her book because she had gotten some grant money from us to help promote the book.

So last year, we had Sandy Kroll who had written the book on the Oh. The Lewis County book. Yeah. I see. The Land We Called Lewis.

And then she edited Water, Woods, and Prairies for Thurston County. And she had recently finished a book about a Native American woman. The book's titled The Ravaged Forest, and it's about Helen Mitchell who championed the Indians' timber rights and won a couple of cases before the Supreme Court. So Sandy talked about her book last year as one of our speakers, and then Thelma Jackson again did another good presentation. So it's kinda the original idea for the Heritage Day was always for the different history and heritage groups, and they kinda get together and share ideas.

But we're trying to trying to expand it a little bit to reach out more to the public and public interest. So that's what that's all about. And I'm learning more about what we're what else we're doing. Yeah.

Another project we're working on is bronze plaques for the start structures that we have put one out at the cemetery. We're gonna put this one on Heritage Hall at the fairgrounds. And we've after many years of back and forth, we do figured out a way where we can put them on private residences with our budget. So I think we're going to go to a lottery system for our our structures. And we we just went through a renewal or editing of all our historic structures happening with a grant from the from that.

And we didn't get the one this year, but we'll go ahead and try next year. So we're doing that, and then this year, we try a little another thing a little different. I wear two hats. I'm also the Old Brewhouse Foundation, and the Old Brewhouse Foundation has a museum trailer that we take around. So we built it with a grant from the historic commission in 2014.

And this year we asked, and it was half Brewhouse, half Thurston County history. Somebody asked, well, there's an accounting historic commissioner volunteer on the county history side. Going on there. And then we tried to put a interpretive panel out of it, the old Evergreen Ballroom, and the new owner wouldn't let us. So instead instead, we went over to the rack and built eight interpreter panels and a little kiosk volunteer labor, put it together, and then we had riders volunteer riders do most of work.

It was actually fairly inexpensive except for the roof

and the concrete slab. Is this grant money, though?

It comes out of our budget. We actually have a budget, operating budget. Well, that's I try to tell people. We're pretty lucky. Yeah.

I'll scan the documents that are getting passed around for email distribution just so we'll see if Bill can

Go ahead. You know, we'll

we'll get them to you.

And and this morning, we we started a discussion or continued a discussion with about putting revamping their kiosk that they built with the Heritage grant several years ago that needs some updating or improvements. And part of our part of our concept on this is the panels are relatively inexpensive. They cost about $300 to print. So the idea is to rotate them out on a frequent basis as long as we can get the writers to do the writing. This we actually had a graphics artist do these initially in the public information or public information office, because it didn't meet all the ADA requirements.

So we these are the these are the these are smaller versions of the panels that we put on out the rack.

And But there's there's eight of these out there, and we're trying to continue to create more panels about more subjects, so we need some place to put them. So that's why we're working with to kinda maybe remodel the kiosk that they already have to accommodate this format so we can switch these around. They're easy to move around. Just well, they need these needle frames for them. Yeah.

They're really durable and really readable. And if you ever been waiting around at a sports facility for your kid's soccer match or little league game to start, you know it's nice to have something to be. I think that project.

I think they said there's 2,000,000 visitors there here all standing around waiting.

This is

is right next to the restroom, so it should get lots of attention. So, Chris, you got more things we're up to? Pardon me? Have you got more things we're up to?

Well, the historic register, the panels, the trailer, heritage day, updating the historic register. Our problem is we're really undermanned, and a lot of these are hands on thing. The kiosk, Robin, another guy, and I built the thing. And we had three writers on board on the commission that wrote most of the text. I think Lacey did their own.

The tribe, the Nepali tribe did their own. But, yeah, we're we're shorthanded right now. Yeah. Anyway, in the makeup of our of our commission right now, we've got Troy Davis who's a anthropologist that's currently working with the state on any archaeology related to salmon stream restoration. He's doing that.

And Grace Edwards works for the state. I'm not sure at my capacity. I told you about Ira, the historian. Rebecca Sanchez does a lot of writing for Thurston Talks, and I think she's put out a few notebooks

of her

own, but she's a writer, photographer. And we just lost Bill Lindstrom, who was sports writer and newspaper editor. He just passed away. And so we're Rob works for the state. I'm just a retired contractor.

And I'm

retired too. I only work part time.

So, anyway

That's about us. That's us and.

That's great. Can we ask you some questions? Me? Can I ask you I got a couple questions? Sure. That's good. So, K, curious on your historic inventory and listings. Like, how much how active is is that work in Harrison County? How many

We we have 55 historic structures on our list. Okay. Yeah.

And those range anything from tree stump to barns schools. I just drove by the Delphi School today. That's that's on the on the register. Now the Eric there's two Ericsson farmsteads. There's just a real mix of interesting places and things.

So what we did on the 30 that we were going to review members of the commission went out and met with the owners, if there were owners, took photos, kinda made note of the condition of the properties, and then all that data got turned over to Shannon Stevenson, who's writing it up and on the proper form. And now there's a what do you call that? You can go online. Wizard. On the wizard. And And you can plug in any of those properties, and it'll come up with the description and photos and everything. So

Is Shannon on the commission, or is

she She's not. Volunteering?

Well Yeah.

Payer. I don't know. Our grant from the

Okay.

And she wrote the original, and she started the historic registry.

Yeah.

So she's a very good person

to know. Great research.

Started ours too. Right.

Are you having yours redone? Or you she did yours.

She I think at the very beginning, we were all the same group, and then she separated them all out. So Olympia has its own program, but her name is on most of the documents for a large number of years. Yeah.

She did it. Yeah.

When I met her, I was like, oh my goodness. Wow. I'm such a fan. I think I, like, caught it off guard a little. Yeah.

She doesn't doesn't really agree with.

So this is like, the family have any staff resources that are helping you? Or like, we have branding, which is Yeah.

Okay. We yeah. I've been on the commission since 2010, and our staff support used to be really weak. And in the last five years, counties have really come around. Like, town we have Sonia, who's our admin person. Very very active person. Derek is her supervisor. He's also very active. The public information office rewrote all these for us and approved them. So I the county support has been great. And, like, when we we do have a budget, so that's nice to be have an operating

budget. That's great. Yeah. Anyone else have any questions?

Yeah. Yeah. Mike. Thank you. A couple of questions. One is you mentioned a number of the panels that you have out. So one from Nisqually, one in late four Lacey. What are the other six? If you remember them off the top

of St. Martin's Okay. Lacey. It's general Lacey, I think. City Of Lacey. Yeah. Yeah. And that I have to admit our the kiosk was really Lacey oriented because Ken Ballsley, mister Lacey, you know, it his idea in the first place. Okay. So, yeah, it's real Lacey heavy. But, you know, Saint Martin's, City Of Lacey,

the map, Musqually tribe

Musqually tribe, Evergreen Ballroom, and that one gets a lot of attention. And we had the trailer out at the group ash and at the at the air show and at the fair. A lot of people saw that poster for the Evergreen Ballroom, and it sucked in a lot of people. What else we got? The Sqali Delta. We do that? Yeah. The Sqali Delta. Mhmm. Brown Farm there. How how many am I up to? You're up to five.

The Saint Martin's on there?

It was. But don't version one. Don't don't worry. I get I'm getting the sense. Part of part of my interest is we've been and I'm a very new commissioner, so excuse if this is an ignorant question. But one of the things that I've been thinking about and we've been thinking about is not only recognizing historical structures, but also sites of historical, cultural, and social significance. And it seems like there's a mix here of, you know, Nisqually Delta and and the city itself as socially and culturally significant and not just historical structures when it comes to Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that that's kind of my

Joint base Lewis McCourt. Uh-huh.

It's pretty hard to ignore that impact on the community. Yeah. Yeah.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate it. So Thank you.

Our concept is not so much about history as such. We're trying to get people to appreciate where all of us are all coming from. Mhmm.

We're, you know,

everybody's we don't we used to do the word history, and We changed that to histories because we all have our own histories. Yeah. And just promoting that concept. So what are you folks up to? Because I

I'm not saying that. Yeah. Well, is there anyone who wants to jump in that's online too? Well, yeah, I can give a little overview, but if anyone else, please jump in on our commission too. Organizationally, we really work under three different committees, more or less, and we have a complete commitment here, and Britney is our staff planner assigned to us, historic preservation officer.

So she gives us a ton of support. Thank you. Otherwise, the rest of us are just volunteers. We don't we don't really have a budget or administrative support so much. You can see there's maybe a little district support now, but not really.

We're capacity, I hope, I think. But it it's me, I guess. Yeah.

So we all the commissions here on different committees. One was our our marketing outreach right. Marketing outreach committee, which is trying to do similar work that you're doing here all over the top of budget to do this cool stuff. And I'm very inspired by what you're able to accomplish, which is is really cool. But but that, you know, we we do a lot of tabling out at different events.

You know, we're working on flyers to educate people about, you know, things like we have a a guide for, you know, what to do with your windows, people in a historic home, things like that. We're trying to educate people to come. And just educate them on if you have a historic structure, the value of actually listing your historic structure in town. I mean, we have a lot of houses. Residence is obviously in our jurisdiction, so that's a that's a big push.

How do you put your information out? How do

you put out flyers? I would say probably tabling in advance is probably the big like, we'll set a at the arts Block or things like that or if there's community events or I don't know. I'm trying to think of it.

I think right now interesting. I'm also trying to see how we can do more active outreach. I don't have an answer yet, but I would love to go beyond just so we have a city newsletter. So I do have I send things to request being added into the I think arts and heritage updates that go out. But also trying to build that. Yeah.

So it's a little limited. We have a page kinda buried in the city's website, but it's not super out there, I guess. So there's that committee, and then we have our policy ordinance and guidance committee, which tries to focus on being the advocate voice for heritage issues within city government. And so, you know, anytime there's any updates to what the planning commission's doing or city code or whatever, try to get involved in that as well just to be that voice. And and then the reviews with the our our design reviews as well.

So we get a lot of lot of permits that come through his currently listed historic structures, and those all need to be approved by the commission before the new building permits. So that's a big part of our work as well. Anyone have anything to add? That was kind of a high level overview.

Anyone online?

Yeah.

I I actually would add, we also have quite a lot of walking tours. Mhmm. And I think a project that is kind of going on a little bit in the background. I'm trying to coordinate the walking tours that we have with the walking tours that the Olympia Historical Society might have that might be a similar topic. I think a lot of folks that used to be heritage commissioners might now be on the board for the Big Little House Museum Olympia Historical Society.

So there's some that are the same and some that are different with the same theme. So we're trying to kind of organize those together. So if you know of any resources that you have that are within city boundaries that perhaps might need to be coordinated, let us know.

Or even if they're not. I mean, there could be a joint event, you know, walking toward a vent or something. Mhmm. Or it doesn't

even have to be a formal event. But, yeah,

I think to that point, I think that's

a lot of what we're trying

to do is figure out opportunities to partner with the different organizations. So we're not all just doing our same thing. We'll be able to synergy with this.

Part of the original pitch on the trailer is that we would have information on all the other or as many other groups in the county as possible. So we do have flyers for the other groups. Okay. We the tribe the Squaxons have a plaque on our trailer. The Lacey Museum, obviously, Camino Museum, Bigelow House. So just, again, trying to get all of us

Yeah. We should talk about getting something involved in that. That would be great.

My my old brew house foundation side of me thinks it should be in the old brew house. Perfect. Okay. So that's what I've been smoking. So I

That's great.

Then we got it covered? Yeah. Oh, I I do have I I live in Maple Park. Okay. And I will be applying to get a plaque. Okay. I hope I can get a better price if I order too when I order stuff because I think I'll be paying for it myself. Maple

Park's been an active street. Mhmm. Preservation.

Can I ask a question about your budget?

Which budget?

I guess

Our budget?

Our budget. Your commission.

Is that something provided through the county, or do you fundraise or, like, donation based? How

They have a $1 for every Electric. Document that goes through the county. Every document filing is a $1 charge, and that's That's earmarked for historical operation. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's trying to What is your annual budget typically? Boy, it's

a moving target, and it's really funny is because when we do our annual budget, we have no idea what it's actually gonna be. We have, like, a dream list of but it's, I don't know, $10,000.

I I think of late, you know, during the latest building boom, every house sale, of course, gives a dollar to the account. So we've been the income's been 50 to $70,000 a year, some really nice number, and we weren't spending it.

That's all I'm saying.

Yeah. Well, in our operating or, actually, our operating budget was $10,000, and we weren't spending that. And we are getting better at doing that. The historic journal is now paid for out of that fund. Our staff wages are paid for out of that fund, and the heritage grant program was paid for out of that fund.

Mhmm. And you probably you've all got the word that there is no extra heritage grant program this year Mhmm. Because the the registration fee income is down. Mhmm. So we we have a there is a healthy balance, but they're just cautious about spending it down too far because it does go to pay for staff and other needs, but all in the entire preservation. You know, the the the journal's $10,000 a year that comes out of that fund. So and the heritage grant programs were 30 to 40. I think one year, maybe $50,000.

Yeah. They only gave $510,000 a year. Yeah. That's great. The ability to do that.

It is really nice.

Thank you very much again.

I can't believe with all the apartments I've seen going around town that that fund is down. Yeah.

So The thing inside Olympia, the the big little house, it's a grand every year.

Not this year. Not this year.

Darn. You can't redo the windows. Yeah. That that that's all I okay.

So now that we're talking about budget, if I could ask one more question. If you had a dream project that's maybe has been on your list or maybe you would like it to be on the list of things to do, do you have do you have a dream project?

Build a museum.

Have you been down to the Olympia Arts and

is it called?

Arts and Heritage Museum? The Yeah. Yeah. I just had lunch today with a lady that's volunteering there. I have not been there, but it sounds like it's really nice and a good start. Mhmm. And Rob's Brewhouse Trailer is kind of our portable museum. Mhmm.

And if if we wanna talk about dreams, I've been on the we've been up the whole house foundation we started in 2008. And so we've been chasing that pipe dream for for quite a long time. We keep saying our position is as a regional asset. It's a regional responsibility. It's too big of a project for Tumwater.

We've had since 2003, we've had four different contractor or developers come in there and basically rip us off. Rip off the community and leave a mess. We think that Thurston or the Thurston, Olympia, and Lacey, and the Thurston County and the Port Of Olympia should form some sort of PTA and take over and stop messing around. And we would include I didn't bring my name after day, but there's a railroad track that runs all the way from Historic Park out there, you know, all the way down to the farmer's market. Mhmm.

And it's surrounded by Olympia facilities, museums Mhmm. Theater, etcetera, etcetera. It is definitely a regional asset that we all need to cooperate. And and we would it wouldn't be the old room house foundation would go to the I I don't know if we ever presented to the city of Olympia, but to Lacey in the county, and they all ask us, well, what does Tumwater think? And Tumwater always had this attitude that it's ours. We're gonna take care of it. Mhmm. And I think it's time that's not gonna happen. Yeah. Right.

And it's continue it is when we take the trailer out, people always are wondering what's going on with that eyesore mess opportunity. So and Twin the Water's credit, they did get the brick restored. And to the old production foundation credit, we did a lot of the work. We put roofs. A whole bunch of old men put roofs on the building and covered up the windows, etcetera, etcetera. So when I first suggested volunteers to do that, Omar thought we were crazy, but

we did it. Yeah. That's good. So that's a really good. Yeah.

Alright. So I I'll leave these with you.

Yeah. I'd love to have this help distribute them to everyone.

And do you want one of these or just for fun?

If you don't want if you if you have many copies, sure. But if you

would Yeah. These would be fun to have at your desk to show other people what what you're doing or what you're doing.

Not when it's a city of waste. You know what mean? Right.

Oh, Yeah.

Yeah. Actually, I'm but thank you. That that would be nice.

It's like, no. Martin's is in city of Lacey. Sorry. But that's about over down here. Alright. Well, thank you for your time today.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Absolutely. And then we should stay in touch and find the time. Get the rest

of your Yeah. Wednesdays second Wednesday at 06:30. And we're very consistent.

Excellent. Alright.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, and then I guess just the next item on the agenda, if you were interested, is a project to digitize our paper files in making that information more accessible. And I guess that's a project that we've been working on that now y'all are gonna learn about. But just letting you know that's what's up next if that's something that you're supposed to go. Oh, listen.

I think I'll

pass. No worries. Thank

you. Yeah. Thank you. See you later.

Bye, Chris. Saturday, I guess.

I know. Well,

a week from Saturday.

A week

from Saturday. Yeah. But we'll talk in the meantime. We got more work to do.

Okay. Okay. Nice meeting you.

Nice meeting you all.

Nice to meet you again. Nice.

I've been gone all summer, on and on in, like, this heritage day. I can't get in my mind that it's not this weekend. Let me check my calendar.

It says the sixth. So

Yes. September 6 from ten to two. K. Okay. Sorry. Next item. Oh, sorry. But Yeah.

Either way. Next item. Data management project update. Next item.

I think that's just because that's the way Gotcha. Bill and Melissa, if you need anything, please send a chat or raise your hand because now we're not gonna be able to see you so that this is hopefully the screen can be a little bigger for us. But

Sounds good.

Thank you.

Everybody see the presentation? Yep. Alright.

Well, good evening, everyone. Yeah. My name is Drew Hodges. I'm a GIS specialist for CPMB, and thank you for giving me time to present this as well as thank you for the opportunity to work under this grant. So the purpose of this grant was to digitize all SWAP records in a timely manner and create a database that could be used from the public, as well as staff from present historic preservation officers, as well as future.

So just like the objective, our task was to scan every single file and store it into a manageable database and establish an interactive database that could be traversed efficiently and easily, or if someone had little to no GIS knowledge, could traverse it and find what they want or what they need and find it fascinating. So here's a little timeline of how the grant worked out and our progress throughout the grant. Me and Brittany had a bunch of ideas going forward, had it fluid and everything. But like any other project, there was a bit of hardship when it came to it. For example, I broke our scanner twice.

I'm not proud about it. But there was a lot of staples. So, yeah, that's on me.

And just at the beginning of the timeline, this was a grant that was applied for in twenty twenty four's cycle. So we actually needed to request an extension because the staff like, the city had a lot of turnover, so we weren't able to Yeah. Get the project moving. So I think, yeah, these funds are it was an award of 7,500 from last year or last last year.

And that grant is from Thurston County. Okay. Yeah. Mhmm.

So some of those dollar per recording fees helps record fees.

So on April 10, we started digitizing and organizing everything. And as we went forward, we realized that we did not have enough time. If you look at this chart, this is roughly how it went with scanning files and organizing files. We started off with four days of scanning files, and then one day of the week organizing the files. But then we realized there were plenty of more boxes that needed to be scanned in order to complete this grant on time.

So we scrapped that and scanned everything on mass. And the bright side of this is since I'm a GIS specialist, I have to organize these files into a database that could be transferred into GIS. So I no longer need the grant funding full time to work on this. It is now my responsibility and duty to work on it on my own side. So this is what one out of the eight classes looked like, and roughly one OHR had about six documents that needed to be separated. So there is about 4,500

pages that we scanned once again. Oh, no. It was close to 10,000. Oh, yeah. So he's saying six pages very modestly, but some of them were six pages. Some of them were, like, quite extensive depending on the scale of the project, what the building was, if they did different things as part of their historic designation, like a tax valuation, design review. So

And then and then PDFs. Some of the PDFs are, like, 90 pages, and then some of the other PDFs happen to be two, which would be, like, a design review. And it definitely differentiated for OHR. Mhmm. So this is what we had on board for, like, the Excel tracker when we were scanning HIT.

And our idea was to get this into an interactive map that anyone can access. They don't need additional software or applications. They just click on the user link, and they could click on anything, any points, or they could search up what they're interested in, and it'll pop up with the OHR number, the historic property, and where it's located, as well as all the PDFs. This is going to be two different style web maps. One's gonna be for public, so there's no personal identifiable information.

It's like them. And then one for us as staff, where if we need information, we just have to search search up the OHR number or the name, and then they can pull down from there and download them.

And so, I guess, some context. Currently, we do have a map with points plotted of our, I guess, individual sites and the districts that we have, but there is no digital list of all the properties. There's also no way to search backwards on the public interface yet. So by doing this, it'll make the information a lot more accessible, and it'll have the documents available on demand. Right now, if someone says, hey.

I'm curious about the Hodges house. If I don't know that house, then I would need to look through a 100 files and then find the label and then pull out the address. And then, like, there's a lot of different steps, scan it, and then get them the files individually. So I think this will just remove a lot of barriers for people to be able to just browse and, you know

Absolutely. Yeah. Is there any connection between this and Wizard? Or is this a totally separate thing?

Wizard is its own database that I mean, I think having these points we could send our stuff to Wizard maybe so that folks can use our data. But

because you guys have all your stuff on Wizard. Right?

On what? On the Wizard? Yeah. The Wizard.

Yeah. So

Yeah. I am so ignorant of this whole process. I'm sorry. I'm a dinosaur. So it's impressive. For sure.

If was there's anything like anything remote to GIS, then it should be able to be easily transferred over. You might have

to change a few fields, but that would be that's

Oh, that's another project. Yeah.

So for example, what we can do with the web maps that we're pushing forward into the future is you can click on a specific house. For example, the Howell House will pop up its attribute table and as well as their PDFs, photos, everything. So you can check and click on it, and it'll open up the staff report and everything you

need to stay on it.

Oh, and that's also important because when people are trying to do projects, sometimes they don't know which features were listed in their original application. So I I think this will save a lot of time for, like if you're doing a project and you don't know the importance of certain things as a new architect on the project, you'll be able to just pull up the file instead of going through a couple of cases.

So, Christian, I noticed on that last one, it looked like a one of old county accessories photos that was included there. Yeah. Are all those county accessories photos digital now? And not just the ones that are part of the district register, but, like, the whole database?

So those assessors' photos are they are available through the state archives, but they stop after a certain year. And so we have the ability prior to a certain year to attach them, but that's, like, a manual process where I would need to coordinate with their staff to say Okay. This address and this address. And then I would send them to Drew and say, that file and that file.

Yeah. That's what I was kinda thinking because if the new application comes in and that's the only old historic record we have is CSS, but it would be nice.

Some other things you can do with the web map as well is, for example, for Britney, this map will be fully complete, and she could make a tour of it by saying, I want to visit these six locations and make it around. They'll choose the most efficient way to hit all set points and it also integrates live traffic. Mhmm. So here's an example. I made it, but so I put three points down, and it will follow with a weight of hitting the most historic places while trying to get to those three places.

Nice. Cool. On top of that, it also has the search bar for both public and staff use. So if you need to search it up by OHR number, you can just search it up like that and go search up.

It didn't populates. Sorry. It's a bit slow.

So maybe we'll search to that, and then it'll go. And then you can also search it up by name or address. And

there will be a list of all of the properties that you can just scroll through?

Yeah. So you can browse. Mhmm. Because it Yeah.

Are there any thoughts about how the potential of doing tagging in a different or tagging, like, what the structure is, like, it's residential versus commercial, or I wanna do a tour of historic solutions. So this is

just a sample. We don't have a live database yet online. So this is a very simplistic sample of, what I thought the main things, but we're gonna have tags like that building wise and everything. And if anyone wants any more in the future, for example, architects Mhmm. We can easily add that, and wouldn't take much time at all Mhmm. Because the way the GIS works, we could just definition count, and it'll populate everything for us with our preexisting data.

We'll need to populate those tags. Like, we'll we'll talk about this afterwards. There's a lot of cool potential there.

I agree. Mhmm. But they would be done by staff rather than crowdsourcing that kind of tag, those tags.

Oh, like submitting

That would

probably make

sense. Yeah. Could be chaos. Could could

be chaos or could be save a lot of

staff time too. Well, it could be a combination. Yeah. Staff actually is the filter at the end. That's true. That's true.

That is the best code in the

field maps. You can have public to it, but you would have an admin overseeing it and showing that everything lines and it's integrated. So it's it's more than app or web map. So it's on speaker. It's a it's an app for the already produced web map, so it wouldn't take much time to produce. It's just overseeing it, making sure, let's call it, everything's in line before we push out Mhmm. To the public. I

I think that from a staff perspective, I also would like to make sure whatever we're building is approachable enough that anyone who would be in this role in the future could still manage that type of queue or you know? I don't know where else.

So I a question about district and contributing properties. So those private database, yeah, they're going

to They will be they will be. Not the most current data.

It's Yep. No problem. That's this case. That'll be important.

I think the goal is to use our existing data with all of those layers of significance and really just tying the paper record to that and then having all that data in a more usable format. Mhmm. So that's the framework, and then just

Yeah. I mean, I guess

I mean, if I review or

the public, kinda want to know if my house is in

the district, for instance.

I just wanna go on there and at least have that level of information. And then if it's contributing, which is a whole another player, that probably would be nice to identify as it's a.

Going forward, the client projects as well. The public and the staff can turn off layers and visibility. So if they wanted the specific things, they could open the legend and be able to search what they're looking for what they want.

That's why. Yeah. Appreciate it.

Pretty cool. Mhmm. That pretty much wraps up my story map, but I just decided to insert some interesting photos I gathered so far that I enjoyed looking at.

Mhmm.

That was cool. This one was, I believe, the fire department.

Oh, yeah. An old fire truck. Yeah. So we just That's so,

Mhmm. It would be kinda cool. I mean, just to add addition I mean, there's basic photos like this that are specific about a listing, to add like

an anecdote for it.

It's like, okay. But it's too bad. I mean, it's super cool. Mhmm.

And sorry if I missed this, but the the public facing version will be a story map, or you're just using story map right now as a way to show us?

I was showing you as a presentation. Okay. It will be a web map for the public. We are planning on making a story map about historic preservation. Nice. But the yes. The web map will be pretty much identical to the staff except taking out key things that the public should not see or do

not read? Like like, there's some information. Yeah. As

well as accessibility, so they could anyone could look at it.

Thank you, guys, for your time. Yeah. Super cool.

Thank you, Drew, for your work. This was a great undertaking and

How many days of scanning have you through?

Honestly, it feels like a blur, but I definitely felt sometimes, especially the two times that I broke the scanner. The first time, I was in shock. The second time, I was definitely staring into the abyss or a wall for, like, five minutes, not accepting that I just did it in doubt. But it was a blur. I I actually thoroughly enjoyed it. I had a great time.

He he's currently part time, and so he went up to full time for three, four months.

I I did not show that.

It's

a photo of us posing with the nine boxes.

Oh, just That's that depends on. Did anyone online have any questions? And, I feel like I I wondered if you'd be interested in this because of what we've talked about already.

Yeah. I think it's super interesting, and I think it's really cool to see that work, like, already progressing. I think something that I thought about a lot is that idea of, like, crowdsourcing and, like, how do you give residents of the city more opportunities to contribute to something like this, but it raises a bunch of frankly, it raises a bunch of concerns. One of which is obviously, like, the resourcing that the city would have to provide to deal with all the crowdsourced content if there was a lot of it. And then also, you know, when you give people the ability to submit things on their own, sometimes the things that they submit are trolling or, you know, there's just, like, very low quality things that someone would have to sift through, which is, a it's a real concern.

But I think that, like, with this, it's so cool to already see it be so robust, and I'm just excited to see the way that it'll continue growing. I think, you know, just to add, I guess, more flavor, like, one of the things that I exchanged some emails with Britney about was just the idea of, like, you know, could we could we give or could we offer, like, an app where, for instance, residents of the city could go around and document or, like, submit things that were not necessarily on the historic register but were culturally important, like, there were sites or if it was a place where a particular event happened in Olympia's history that people are aware of, but it's not on the register, you know, like, could that be an interesting thing to pursue? And I feel like this is like I could see where that idea could fit in with what we just saw. But, admittedly, I don't have a good idea about how to operationalize the app idea.

Are you thinking it goes in the same database?

No. So there's already something similar happening with artwork in Olympia where we're trying to push forward field maps where people, they see artwork on walls, mirrors, or anything. They could submit it through a field map, And I believe Woody would be the one sifting through and making sure everything's streamlined, and then he would push it out to a map where they could find where the location is at. When they click it, it shows the art, so they can also take a look for themselves in the future.

That's really cool.

I need to send that and someone could go on

the website that is interested in the mails and then find them. So

I guess we'll be we'll see how that goes. And if the submission rate and quality is reasonable Okay. Then I will bring that back to all of you, and I will say, hey. This is how the mural project is to see if we want it.

Yeah.

Are there are there plans on doing this kind of presentation or something like it to other either historical preservation organizations or, again, thinking about Olivia's history that they do at Evergreen, and it seems they do story maps there too.

It seems like this would be a nice tie in to kind

of what they're trying to do partially to get at Bill's point about the social and cultural histories of

the place in addition to the historical buildings piece.

I'd do more than happy to do it. But I also would like to get more of the actual Yeah. Well because I would love to build the story map off of that. If it was completely done, it would be way more interactive story map. Yeah. Anyone could click on it, and they could spend thirty minutes, forty five minutes just going through, seeing all the information.

Yeah. Because it's endless with story maps. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's it's probably out of the scope of this or whatnot, but they do all those, like, augmented reality, like, filters on cameras. Mhmm. Yep. If you were in person, there was old photos of it. Could you have a filter applied to the original structure? So you could take a photo with the original structure.

ArcGIS wise, there are possibilities, but it's not within our scope.

It is. It's right now.

So it'd be more of a with a way bigger budget than Google. They they would be able to do it, and

it's possible. I think that it would be very cool, though, for, like if we're doing a walking tour, you can embed photos probably each of the points. Yeah. And so when you walk there, I mean, you'll just have to hold your thing up next to it. But I like, there's so many cool pictures that I've got on my drive just from all of the past staff that have saved things, and I would love to post them somewhere. I just

That's a great opportunity too for cat crowdsourcing because I'm sure people probably can't just tons of pictures of historically significant locations.

As it's over 50 years old, I mean, that's a lot of stuff.

Yeah. It would be 10,000,000 each side. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, this used to be a venue. Tell us about a concert you went to or something. Like Oh, yeah. There's there's so many cool possibilities. Yeah. Any other questions online?

I'll take this opportunity to bail. Absolutely. Sir. Great work.

Thank you very much.

Nice to meet you all.

Have a

great day. Have a good rest of your evening. Thank you for as well.

Have a good one, everyone. Are you gonna be in the office tomorrow?

I can. But you

don't need to. I was just going to probably walk over and say that was great. I'll send you a message.

Sounds good. If you do find

my mouse, I might come in. I somehow lost it. They're random here.

It's neither of

these,

so I'll let you know.

How you

doing, everyone?

Take take care.

Thank you. Uh-huh. Okay. That's a cool project. Mhmm. That brings us to reports.

Okay. So now I actually do have a

lot of stuff that's Okay.

Very fun. I think that there's some general reports that I'll do first, and then we can go into some committee report updates just from the past month. I guess maybe two months if there's anything relevant that we haven't shared since the last time. Okay. So, firstly, in our file cabinet room, there's a bunch of paper walking tours.

These look like they are printed in the nineties. They're adorable. They match. Very cool. I don't have any of them as a full kit, but I have been trying to oh, yeah. I'll pass that on.

Here you go.

Here, you can

put those with it. I have been trying to see if we can redesign these brochures with the current things that might be on these routes. And one of the things that came up in that conversation was, well, we might need to update some of the copy or some of the photos or even just finding the photos that were used. I don't know if we have those same pictures. So my question to all of you is, what is your interest in collaborating to get some information to revamp these?

Because I can't do it by myself. But if we were all able to, like, if you took a walking tour and took pictures of the houses from today, we could put that side by side with historical photos or some something like that. But, Bill, what what I

was just I was just gonna say my interest is high, and I'm happy to help however I can.

Awesome. Thank you.

Have to

keep the same fonts, though. Awesome.

They'll be historic. No. I'm kidding. But, yeah, I I do think that the more I'm figuring out about what resources are available or how things kinda work, I'm trying to get some refresh things for us. Mhmm.

So maybe in the future, we can set up a specific group of people who are interested. Maybe also when everyone's present so that we can share this with other all the other folks. But, like, things like what do we want them to look like? Do we want them to look a certain style that's timeless? Do we want them to be designed in a way that's relevant to today? Mhmm. So there's just a lot of question marks that we can all kinda think about together.

Will will the city's graphics folks have to weigh in them?

They would present us with stuff. So I was talking with our communications team, and, really, I was talking to them about the window workshop. And so then I was like, and what about? And then that's part of the services they offer. So yeah.

Which is fine. Yeah. I just know that communications group tends to be very, very good.

I think it'll be nice to have them giving us the options to choose, and then we can work with them so that it'll already be in line.

Right. Right.

You just can't go over here. So

So Bill, did you have a question?

Yeah. I think I just had a question. Do we have, like, I guess, funding from the city to to produce those and, like, have them printed and presumably distributed and left some places around town would be my assumption or something?

So from what I've been told, getting something printed in house that we fold, we can definitely get a free design from our communications team, and then we would just make the pamphlets ourselves. If we wanted glossy print, something that's professionally done, that would be something that we would need funds for. But I don't think it's like, for one item, a 100 copies or 200 copies of it, I can't imagine that it would be too expensive. So, I guess, it depends on the scale, and it depends on how we want to approach it. But there are different ways that we can approach it if we wanna get to yes and, like, make it happen Or if we want to have it be a little more dreamy, we can always find other ways to acquire funds.

Like, this booklet, I think, is super cool. I feel like everyone's seen this at some point. We can pass it around. One day, would love if we could reprint a booklet. Like Mhmm. I don't know. It's fun.

Yeah. For sure.

I actually love the design of the walking maps. Yeah. Like, that they're all folded together in one package.

I mean, the package is expensive. That Imagine, but that's the coolest thing. I know. I know. If we were to do something, it could maybe not construct it, but we could probably find a a way to do our own way to fold the 11 by 17 or something. So we could present it as a packet. It might not look specifically this polished, but what you can do is, like Yeah.

That's always the challenge. Right? Because, like, to get people excited about it. Mhmm. Yeah. You want a nice package.

Like a takeaway. Yeah. Exactly.

I'm also wondering, like, if we could get updated versions of these, if that's something that we could distribute to the new museum downtown. Like, if they're walking to our maps, that seems like it would be a good place where people would be very motivated to grab them and hopefully wander around using them.

Yeah. Appreciate it.

And that that's where I first found the Olympia Modernism. I had seen the the website with them, but not the printed copies. Mhmm. They were there, and it's brilliant. I love that one.

Yeah. I

I know we had any copies left. We have we

have a few. Oh, here. If you did you see all of the There we go. The other ones? So this is what I was also talking about when I wanted to revamp some of the things that we have that the Big Little House Museum owned the historical society also has because we have two different women's history welcome tours. But I feel like I'm assuming some of the points might be the same. So we're already redesigning some of it. I'm trying to collaborate Mhmm. On that front. I also have a fun thing that I was exploring in this conversation with communications.

Melissa, I think you're going to be excited about this one. I've also asked about advertisements that we can take to events or hand out that isn't a business card per se, but it's like a a little mini flyer. This is the Heritage Commission. Here's how to find more information about us, but we can make them cute. So I guess we've talked about this in the past with the Artswalk stuff, and it seems possible. So more on that when it gets there, but I'm working on it.

It'll also be nice if you create, like, the interactive map of some sort for people to build I mean, people walk around their heads and their phones all day. I don't know if you remember three or four years ago, Pokemon GO, the hordes, the people that were just walking around just chasing Pokemon around. If there was a way to create a game or, like, a geotech, know, where you could literally walk around and get an interactive map. You can even make it where a game where if you take a photo with it and post it.

You know?

You'd probably get businesses around Downtown Olympia that would participate because you're gonna have people coming down walking through. The

the elevator would get us 90% there.

Oh, say it creates

a mapping system. It's not interactive, though, I don't believe.

No. Just

He said that you can create your own route. Not through

I don't think it worked through GPS. It was more of a route based thing where

it told you. Right? Or would Oh, I see.

You can actually click on points. But, I

mean, it wouldn't be like

a tracking.

Phone tracking. Right? It just gave you a Oh. I think it just gave you a route. That'd

be interesting. I'll ask him. Because if it was like, I'm here, and I have five historic buildings around me, like, you can

You're getting grants to create an app. I

mean, you get people, especially events downtown, if you had a QR code up on the wall. They scan it just to file the QR code was. Mhmm. Mhmm.

Yeah. In

terms of public engagement, you know, for heritage month or something like that, have for your idea, take a photo with a heritage building, and then post it to the Facebook page or even stream or whatever. That might be a nice way to sort of publicize.

We do not have a Facebook page, though.

Right? Yeah.

I don't have the capacity for us to have a

Facebook page. Even if I

did call take to make a Facebook page? Well, we I

I recall, we talked about that several years ago. And at least at that time, the city was hesitant

to get it.

I found it on files that Holly, the previous person in my role, did try to start up social medias, like Instagram and Facebook, but I it doesn't exist, so I assume something happened along the way. But it was it was attempted, so I don't know what the barrier was.

K. But

I guess what was your thought?

Well, just kinda what you said. You could you could post it too and say, you know, that there was a Facebook page. Yeah.

I mean, themselves on there. I think it kinda had came down to I mean, the city's got its own, know, Facebook and Instagram, and how that would how this one would tie with that one and who would be in charge of it. Mhmm. It just got kinda complicated if they recall about just the logistics of

Yeah. There's a possible because we want our own technology to make it all work. I mean

Oh, it's not the technology. It was the it was politics that Mhmm. Yeah. Because we all just wanna have our own heritage commission based on this. But because we're a city advisory group, there's issues around us doing our own fair.

Doesn't like for example, Google Maps, so they use GIS mapping systems. Mhmm. I mean, I feel like there's a way to integrate that. I think it's Oh, yeah. Don't they literally use the base map for

the counties and cities? Yeah.

I mean, so what I'm saying is, like, there's a there's a route to connect the two. I don't know

what it takes. But Mhmm.

Well Frankly, meaning that. I think it was super cool if we had a grant person on the creative app that did that. You're gonna get the walking tour app. Mhmm.

I'll ask Drew what the capabilities will be.

I'm just thinking like that. When you go

on to Google, you do

a review and you post your photos. They have a system literally for uploading stuff too already. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.

Do we know who, like, the there's a I think it's, like, the Ollie Connects app. Right? There is, like, a city app where people can report, I think, like, potholes or, like, various issues around the city. Britney, do you have any idea who is responsible at the city for, like, creating and maintaining that? Because I wonder if they would have any, like, perspective on what it takes to get an official city app created.

I think I have a hunch, and I can ask them tomorrow. Cool. Next I'll let you know.

Thank you.

That's a good idea. Because I think we also have something like that for code enforcement. Yeah. There's different groups that have complaint based

Turn that concept

Okay.

So then next, we have I'll give you some really quick updates, and then I have a more substantial update that I will share a photo of. But so just some updates. Reminder that we are signed up for Arts Walk in October, so keep that planted in your mind. And if you want to sign up for a slot to be at the booth, the committee can discuss what that looks like, but just so everyone remembers. There are also some projects happening in the community that I wanted to share because it's kind of nice to know that there's upcoming work that we'll be working on.

So the Elks Building in downtown came to me for some questions on what requirements would need to happen if they were to update their facade and things. So there's a building. We've got the Talcott building, Talcott Jewelers that I think there's a new tenant going in, so they might have some things coming up. They just come in to talk to me about what's required. So, yeah, it's gonna be a consignment store maybe.

There's the Carnegie Library that was a project in the past, but recently, they're re embarking on that project. So the pre submission conference FERC meeting is next week, but we'll see what their current proposal is. And then I don't know what Is

that gonna be a generic here? Oh, they said presub.

They're not it's a presub, so it's just like the unofficial here's what your requirements would be. I don't think they're doing anything to the exterior. So I don't think there's going to be substantial design review requested, but I think if they are looking to utilize any tax incentives, if they're looking to do, I don't know, maybe interior work or things related to their business that I I don't really know what that looks like yet.

We'll find out in preset counts.

Yeah. We'll find out. So fun fun stuff. And then some less fun stuff. There's some so I'm I think a couple of like, last year, the announcement was made, and here's where I'll share my screen, that the GA Building so the it's on the Capitol Campus.

They applied for a demolition permit because that building is being torn down. There we go. There we go. So it is I found a file. I don't really know the history of all of these people, but this is the building we're talking about.

And so they've got their demolition permit in. When they originally planned this project, the Department of Archaeology and Historic Preservation and the Department of Enterprise Services did have a memorandum of understanding or, like, sort of the mitigation of what are they going to do to preserve the history of losing this building. So I asked Eleanor kind of if she had some insights, and she sent me a blurb that I'm gonna read. So well, this is from Eleanor to all of you as she is out of town. So some mitigation efforts, some of those documentation.

So the building will be documented fully via photography and a report that will be submitted for approval by DAP, and it'll be archived in the Library of Congress among other places because it's registered on the National Register of Historic Places. There's also some public outreach that's happening where DES, the communications team, is taking on some public communication efforts around the demolition, and then those efforts will continue after the project to keep everyone up to date on possible changes with the site. I think at this point, I don't wanna speak out of turn, but there is a general proposal for what will be at the site after the building is gone. I think it's a parking lot. If there's changes to that, DES is gonna be reaching out to us to share that info.

Let's see. And they'll also be providing the public with documentation items like articles so that we can preserve the heritage of the site even though it won't be around anymore. There'll be some signage placed near or on the site that speaks to the history of the site, the building, and the demolition. They're gonna use the report from earlier to kind of curate that material. And then finally, they salvaged as much as they could.

So there was a list of items and materials to be salvaged that was developed between DAP and DES and the construction team. And so the items that will be salvaged include historic samples of materials in the building. They include the Houser Man panels, nail systems, water fountains, metal lettering and signage from the building. The Washington State seal also will be removed before demolition. I don't I guess I'm not sure what the plan would be for these items yet, but they will be preserved for future use.

They're going to be kept in climate controlled storage for future reintegration or as representative samples of the building. So I think this is an interesting example of what the mitigation process looks like outside of just doing the inventory report. Since I've been here, I I don't think there's been a big enough project to show what these efforts could look like. And mitigation, there's, like, a whole page on the DAP website that goes over possible ideas. But if I think that the main goal is to recognize that although you're losing a resource, how can we make the public aware of it and still engage with whatever the cultural importance was of that site building artifact.

Well, if I'm remembering this correctly too, there was a pretty significant historic mural Which mosaic

Mhmm.

That they already done. That's in health. In the new building that they're

I I'm pointing this way. Like I

think that it didn't end up in the new building. It's kinda just behind this one.

I don't know the location in my mind, but I do know that when I first started, I did do a campus tour with Jeff who was Eleanor like, the person who Eleanor is now doing that role. And he assured me that it is in the new building that they're building. So the library.

Oh, is it going to the library? Think that's but that was kind of the biggest piece of mitigation is preserving the new. I'm gonna say I can keep on here.

But so I guess if anyone has any questions or comments, I kind of waited until we had this meeting so that I could press go on the demolition permit review to make the note that you've been informed that this is happening before I press submit.

Because we don't really have jurisdiction over this permit.

Correct. We

don't I think if there's something that comes up that is really, really important, I'm happy to help connect that idea to the people who may have already made that decision and, like, have talked about it. But I think that because of the the fact that there's staff at the capital that are dedicated to this and it's, you know, directly interfacing with them, I'm hoping that they got through the best options that they

No. I think you're right. I think it's a courtesy for them.

Just all of their permits were just

like, thanks for

showing us. It's a

little bothersome, honestly. This is courtesy, especially when I mean, there have been times where we have this big gaps decision.

If this is one of those cases, I think And this isn't one of those cases. Okay. Okay.

In my mind.

I'm not gonna speak with the whole

But I I do think in the future, I'm naively willing to say that I'll go to bat for whatever it is we want to elevate if it's something that could be done in addition to or in response to.

Honestly, I think the only time there would

be

any reason to do that is if there's something significant to the city of Olympiad's history specifically. We can disagree on the merits of Terry. Yeah. Stuff down at the end of the day. Is there a sense? So Yeah.

Yep. So does anyone online have any thoughts or comments? If everyone here today is in agreement with the sentiment, then I will press go on my review. Here's is this the

Oh, there's

Mosaic. Mosaic. What is it? It looks like It says mural. So

It is. So it's

It said mosaic mural. You can

have it could be both. Yeah. Sure.

I've actually not really flipped through these photos to see what we have, but this looks like oh, 2,002.

Interesting. Yeah. I'm not a 100% sure. I thought that Mira had already been removed, but I don't know. For sure. No?

When the report comes out, I'll route it to you so that we can all find out together. Or maybe next month, we can ask Eleanor to see what she might have on the status. Okay. I'm gonna stop sharing my screen now. Oh, okay. There's some kind of cool pictures happening here. It's

Making. Yeah. It sounds cool.

Okay. Now it's lagging, so I'm gonna stop sharing because I don't know. Okay. Almost done. I'm almost done. I swear. I feel like I just haven't seen you all in so long. I know

I haven't seen everything. So

welcome back. Mhmm. So let's see. We talked about the walking tour brochures revamping and possible branding and design work in the future. Talked about the status of the GA Building.

Intangible and tangible heritage that we've been talking about, I think that it really just comes down to, is it a fixed location, or is it movable? And I think the conclusion I have reached is if it's fixed, it like, a site or the horse ring, which I think now that we've gone this far, I'm gonna try to bring it back in a future meeting to move it through. But if it is not fixed, that feels like it's an artifact, and we don't have a museum in that same capacity. If it's verbal and intangible like that, I think working it into the map and referencing it could be an option. But I don't know if there's a way to do something that is not fixed in a spot or the way that we treat our heritage registered listings.

Mhmm. Yeah. Especially if it's GIS, I guess. There's tricky ones out there. The salmon. It's fixed right now, but it's not. Yeah.

We just we'll put an air tag on. There you around that. Just kidding. But so I guess that's all to say. I'm gonna try to bring the horse tethering ring back so that we can take a look at that.

I would like to discuss with Public Works what we would be allowed to do as far as a marker or not if we think that it should or shouldn't have something. Oh, and someone the person who had submitted that application just emailed me a very fun image. I'm gonna share it with you all because I just thought it was cute. Sharing my screen again. Oh, maybe this is not gonna be the best way to view this.

Sorry, everyone. Give me a second. Oh, I'm trying really hard here. I'm sorry. Okay. There we go. Someone has written in chalk next to it that says last force pain. I don't know why, but oh, you can't see it. It'll come up in a second. Maybe. Oh, it froze.

That's what it looks like. Well,

I'm gonna talk. I hope the camera focuses on me. I'm gonna email this out to you. It's just cute. Someone wrote something relevant to it next to it, and I would like to make sure that we can formally just move through with listing it. It's fixed. It can be based on a GIS point. Mhmm. It just gets First, I think it's

it's fine if it's in the database, I think, without having a flag. Right?

It it doesn't need a flag. Yeah. I think it's if it was important for everyone here that it did have

a flag,

we could see what Public Works is comfortable with. But if we don't, maybe a little QR code next to it so that it's still sort of

There there has been concern about bringing too much attention to it just because it is. So Analyzing it. I would have been thinking to

steal that.

Be surprised. Yeah. And

this is not a this is not connected with that thought. But where is the where is this? Oh,

this is located in the sidewalk. This is recording being empty. Yeah. No.

It's it's

on 4th, just right outside. I think the hot tub.

Yeah. It's this side of the hot tub. K.

So if you're near Well 80 and you walk a little bit towards the Is it that bench? That's It's not as far as any of the

Everything in past. But

I know that standing from it, your mid block, and you can see the intersection that has the railroad going through. And, yeah, so it's Mhmm. You can look for it when you leave today.

Will do.

And if it's not there tomorrow, don't blame me.

That sounds very suspicious. No. I'm kidding. Yeah. It's true. Okay. And then Sandman tugboat status. So the Sandman is one of our historic tugboats that is on the heritage register, and it is currently possessed or in custody. I don't I don't I don't know what the word is, but there was an auction. There was not a winning bid, and so the Port of Olympia is now the Guardian.

They they own the boat. The boat is not in great shape because it's been out of water for so long. And so the port contacted us at the city to say what resources do we have. And so we went on-site. I'll let Garner kind of go over what Sure. You saw, and then I'll tell you what the behind

the scenes

of that was after that.

Yeah. And just so you know, there's like, I I gotta remember the name of the group that's been maintaining and supporting that group for years.

Do remember

the names of the organization?

Friends of

Friends of Sandman or something. So it's a it's a nonprofit that had dedicated their volunteer time and fundraised for it. And as you probably remember, it was in the water park in front of the oyster house for a long time, and they would would would give tours, you know, during festival weekends and stuff. But their funding and their volunteers have kinda dried up. They've gotten elderly. There's not too many of them involved anymore. So and it needed it started taking on water and needed repairs,

so they hauled it out.

And as Brittany said, it's been sitting in dry dock over the port for what did you say it's been there? It's a year and a half. Almost two years. And if you know anything about wood boats, they need to stay in the water or else they start rotting. And unfortunately, the hole is is rotting. And the best estimates that we've heard to get it back to a state where

it could go on the

water is somewhere around $1,000,000 worth of of work.

Well, the person next to us while we were there does restorations for wooden boats, and she's like, I'd love to work on this, but, yeah, about a million, a million and a half.

Like She kinda confirmed what everyone else was saying.

Yeah. Yeah.

And she just happened to be there working on another boat.

Right. Yeah. That's it. So

that's unfortunate. And it's gotten to the point where the port is actually afraid to move it because they're afraid to fall apart. So yeah. So bottom line is, as Brittany said, they had the auction and and as they were expecting, no one would take it. So what we need to if if there's anything we can do, I think what the best course of action is that we discuss on-site, and I'd love to get all of your opinions on this, is it's not realistic to think it's salvageable.

But we should come up I think we should come up with a game plan and try to document it as best we can. And I don't know what that looks like and how we get funding to do that, or if there's any other groups that can get involved to to help with that. And it might be possible to save the cabin top off of it and do something with it. But, again, that's gonna take some money, and I don't know. Yeah. There's no stepping up. Once you do unless we can talk, say, the hands on children's museum to do something like that, but it's an option. I don't know. We probably should meet with them sooner rather

than later. So the court is trying to be very active in planning for documentation. I believe that they are on their own discussing ways that they can do some sort of a three d scan

That they could actually find.

That the port yeah. Really? I I don't know what that situation is, but they are looking into it. I think that for this group, if anyone has any ideas for community engagement around it, that's something I personally think would be really fun to, you know, instead of breaking a bottle of champagne, you're kinda