Planning & Community Design Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, we'll start tonight's city of Alvette Planning Community Design Commission for December 18th to order. Acting Secretary, would you please call the role? Member Tim Spiegel glass, present. Member Laura Ragsdale, present. Member Jenna, absent. Member Felicia Ford, absent. Secretary Petri Powell, absent. Vice Chairman Sam Wallick present. Chairman Rob Dragel

present. Let it also be known that our city council liaison, council member Brian Lewis is in attendance as well as staff liaison Carlos Tjo uh the planning and community development department's director. Uh Don Dodie, senior planner and Jack Carwell, planning and zoning administrator. All right, thank thanks for everybody in attendance or the one person in attendance. We appreciate it. Carlos, do we have anybody online? Okay, just to quick Okay. No, sir. Sorry.

No worries. Just to quickly go over, we follow the agenda kind of item by item. Uh there'll be a time in the beginning for public comments that are not related to agenda items. Um if you do, we'll just ask you to raise your hand and, you know, bring you up. Uh for anybody who comes to the podium uh to present, we do ask that they state their name and address for the record. Um, and we also for any public comments, we like to keep those no more than three minutes. Uh, just to be respectful of everybody's time and to make sure everybody's opinions are heard. Doesn't look like that'll be a problem tonight, but sometimes we have a full house. So, appreciate it. Um, and if there's since there's nobody online, I'm not going to go through that. Is that okay, Carlos?

Yes, sir. Okay. Fantastic. So, uh, before we get to public comments, Carlos, do you have any announcements? Not for tonight because we'll be talking about the comprehensive plan afterwards. Good, good, good, good. Okay. Are there any public comments uh out in the audience or if somebody jumped online?

No. Seeing none, we'll move on to new business. Item A, 720 uh Cherry Tree Lane. Jack, good evening, commission. So, before you tonight is 720 Cherry Tree Lane. Um the project as a whole came in um with the pool, some flat work and a deck modification. The other uh components, the deck modification was something that would be approved administratively and has actually already gone through the building permit process um and has been reviewed by our residential inspector. Um the pool due to its sizing uh would have also been approved administratively. So it this particular item is here tonight because it exceeds the 5% or the 500 ft limit of flat work that's permitted on this lot. So the lot area that you can see is 8,835. So it's a relatively small lot. Um so that 5% or 500 square f feet that's permitted, the 5% would only allow up to 441.75 ft. Um the information that was provided through the um plans show that the current existing concrete pad that's there that resides underneath the existing deck is 225 ft and the new concrete being added around the pools is about 382 ft. So in total they're at 607 square feet. So they just um exceed what would be approved administratively by code by 165.25 square ft. So they're here tonight to just uh um you know ask for the approval for the excess flat work and then in relation to the storm water management plan that uh the petitioner has provided the mitigation plan with the rain garden and it complies with chapter 422 for storm water management regulations. So there's no concerns regarded for um the concept storm water management information.

Jack, do you know do are there any known water related issues on this property or the surrounding? My understanding is it so it kind of falls if we're looking at the I want to go to it should be the okay the photo that's on the screen and then it's also I think on page three of your report it shows the contours there and that shows um it the gra it gradually slopes west to east um and then there's kind of this uh little ravine or you know um I don't know what the I don't want to call it a ditch but um drainage

drainage yeah that's kind of goes right down in between those two properties um between Cherry Tree and then whatever the I should know this off the top of my head, but the street that's located to the east um between those properties and that kind of falls the if we had the bigger picture of the contours, you can see how it kind of just gradually goes down um the flow of the natural grading.

So, not that I know of. I don't know. Carlos, have you Okay, thank you. Uh this is an area that developed right away uh right before 2008 uh in there and this was prior before the city had uh uh on-site storm water detention requirements uh for those lots. So we did experience uh quite a bit of uh increase in in storm water uh because of the new homes and the driveways uh in there. And then we've also have experienced uh you know as as people were settled in some improvements that were going in place and all that. The way it's kind of set up is that there there is a a piping system along Cherry Tree and harvest uh that releases uh the front yards uh down here uh by the creek that runs uh in the St. City of St. Louis right away and the bike trail that's been the the natural flow of drainage in between. These rear properties all drain uh right along the that middle there. Bear with me here. Uh they you can see how the fences are kind of all separated apart. The drainage just kind of flows all the way through uh in there. Some days it is stagnant when it's light and low. Uh but for the heavy rains that that is the direction that most of that drainage goes heads down towards the bike trail and then into the stream that runs uh east west towards University City. um in there for the most part I think uh a lot of the um you know outside of a heavy rain uh some of the uh a lot of the property owners have have adjust some of their storm water issues on their own uh in that process by better uh you know realigning their their downspouts um and and some grading to get to uh those designated areas either towards the street or towards this back area here the grades

fall so these properties drain back here and I believe here. I don't think it's the same, but I think they all kind of run and you can see how people are bu built their own systems along the edges to kind of mitigate the storm water along the way. Um, again, so these were areas that developed and that's why we we now require, you know, these accessory structures now to have their own detention systems in place. Okay, good. So, no no issues that you foresee. It's been a while. I don't want to say that there are none, but it's been a it's been a good while since we've had people call up on a big rain Yeah. of flooding or uh concerns regarding the amount of water.

Okay. Okay. Good. Anybody else have any questions or comments uh for Jack? I just I'd just also like to note that the notifications were mailed out and we've gotten no concerns back from any of the surrounding neighbors. And then also just to reiterate with the accessory structures, there's a portion of code that gets ticked off with the uh 10 percentage lot of lot coverage. They are below that. So they don't they don't exceed that 10% of existing and proposed on their lot. Good. Good. So they fall underneath the 10% but exceed the 5% flat work. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate the clarification. Then all the homeowner is here tonight if there's any additional questions. Okay. Good.

Thank you. if you'd like to come up. And uh well, I guess do we need the homeowner to come up? Anybody have any questions or comments for the homeowner? Seeing none, do I hear a petition?

I'll make a motion. Go ahead, sir. Uh motion to authorize approval of the petition for site plan community design review for a total of 382 square feet of a new rear yard flat work at 720 Cherry Tree Lane as presented in the memorandum from the Department of Community Development dated December 18th, 2025 subject to any staff conditions noted therein. Motion's been made by Sam Wallock. Do I hear a second? Second. And seconded by Laura Ragsdale. Carlos, you please call the vote. Commissioner Spiegelass approved. Commissioner Ragdell approved. Commissioner Wallock approved. And Chairman Durgel approved.

The motion approved is unanimous. So the next step is uh completing the uh the building permit process uh to get the necessary permits. Jack will coordinate that with you. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. We'll move on to item B uh 605 Avon Court. Jack. Good evening again, commission. So before you tonight is 805 Avon Court. It's a new single family home that's only subject to community design and concept storm water management review due to the sizing of the lot. Um the main concerns from staff just came up with the tree preservation and then coordination with the neighbors regarding existing improvements. Um if we go to so you can see here this is just a little graphic that depicts um the other properties that are around or that are in this within the same culdesac. So, there are two homes that are relatively new. One that was built in 2009 and one that was built in 2007. So, 800 Avon, that's the closest farthest to the south. And then, um I don't know, I can't read that number. Where is Oh, 808 Avon. Yes. Um 808 Avon also is one of the newer builds, but then you can see that 805 and 808 and then 804 are the ones that are older that are the one stories, but they also provide the residential square footage there. Um if Carlos, if we just go back, there was no concerns with the storm water. That's just the little graphic depicting, you know, the location of the PVCs, the uh metering outflows, and then the detention facility that will be located to the south within the rear of the lot. Um Carlos, if you could go to the next slide. Thank you. Um, so this is the one of the concerns that stuck out to staff was looking at the location of the neighboring improvements. So all the site plan that's depicted here depicted a 48 in uh chain link fence up to the north that comes off of the property to the north um and extends into their onto 805 Avon's property as well as where Carlos is zooming in right now. There is a garden area noted on there. So, we're seeking clarification on whether that garden area is, you know, part of 805 or if that's something that the neighbor on the lot to the west

kind of extended onto 805's property. So, we're just seeking um for the petitioner to coordinate with those neighbors to have those um improvements addressed. And then in the uh conditions of approval, we're stating, you know, that since it's a lot that's going under uh that's being remodeled and renovated, um you know, tear down, build, it's going to be something that as our condition of approval, those on-site require on-site improvements will be required to be removed. Um so then the other concern that stuck out was the tree preservation. There is just one tree that's deemed on the lot and it's deemed in good condition. It's located right there in the northwest of the property. Um, and we are just seeking for additional information on the tree protection measures. It's planned to be protected. However, we just wanted to the petitioner to go back and make sure that everything that's submitted prior for the building permit is in accordance to ordinance 2821 to make sure that the construction fencing differentiates from the tree protection fencing and then that the um pro sorry the correct distancing is uh applied from the plans and making sure that what's shown on the demo plan matches what's shown on the um site plan and uh landscape or tree replacement protection plan. We just got an additional landscape plan and that landscape plan that's on there depicts two replacement trees. Those are depict more than two but two of them on there are deemed native trees. So in terms with a lot that's 15,000 between 15,000 ft² and 20,000 ft, six replacement trees would be required. He's protecting one, providing two. So, we would just like to see that plan updated to reflect the three additional trees that are um supposed to be indicated on there under the ordinance. So, we just ask the petitioner to look over the ordinance, make sure that the tree protection,

fencing, and all of those measures are handled or, you know, in compliance with that ordinance as well as the replacement species selection. And chairman, can I ask for a quick pause? Uh I I have a gentleman here that's online that is done. The petition is done. Oh, sure. So, Mr. live life party if you can hear me. Um the the petition for Cherry Tree has already been approved and uh the uh the owner just went home. So um Mr. Hickeyi just just headed out. So was he the contractor or Yeah, he's one of the gentlemen I've been working with when doing the review. Good. Fantastic.

So I will send Dan I will send you that approval tomorrow morning. Okay, great. Good. Does anybody have any questions or comments for Jack? No. Thanks, Jack. All right. Thank you. And again, no concerns with the mailings that were sent out and that the petitioner is here to address any other additional questions. Very good. Thank you. I think if we could hear from the petitioner, that would be great. Could you Yeah. Uh my name is Arthur Cotus from 7739 Davis, please. Um, not much to say about the house. We try to feed the neighborhood. Um, hopefully, you know, we'll get to approval.

Good. Good. What What about those additional trees that Jack was talking about? Uh, you know, I didn't hear that we need to put additional ones, but, you know, we'll cooperate, you know, whatever it takes to be compliant with. Go, go, go. I guess it's a new something new that Yeah. Maybe Jack, you could explain. Yeah, you know, kind of the new Yeah. Yeah. Approved. I'll send it in the approval. All right. All right. Great. Does anybody have any questions or comments uh for the representative? Seeing none, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Any other further discussion? Did we I'm sorry. Did we want to talk about the garden or anything like that? We can. Yeah.

I mean, do you have you talked to the neighbors about the garden or anything? No, no, but I I will um obviously talk to her and whatever it takes for me to to cooperate with her to, you know, like to establish I want to have like a happy neighbor, you know, I do not want to have anybody conflict. So, and then what's going to happen with that chain link fence? That's a good It's going to be gone. I mean, I I want to put the new one in. Good, good, good. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. I mean, the whole property is kind of running down, so Yeah. Yeah. You know. Okay. Is that good, Tim?

Yeah. I think just as long as they have that discussion and you guys are okay with it, I'm good with it. Yeah. And ultimately, I think that they need to get that clarified. It would be an imposition to have it on a new owner than to face their neighbor. And there. So, I think we want to get that resolved before the permit's issued. Sure. All right. Great. Thank you. All right. If there's no other further discussion, do I hear a motion? I'll make a motion. Somebody would put it up on the screen so I can see it. I'm gonna have to show you where

I know it's in here somewhere. Okay. Uh motion to authorize approval of the petition for community design and concept storm water management review for a new single family home at 805 Avon Court is present in the memorandum from the department of community development dated December 18th, 2025 subject to any staff conditions noted therein. Motion's been made by Sam Wick. Do I hear a second? Second and seconded by Laura Ragsdale. Again, Carlos, may you please call the vote. Commissioner Spiegel approved. Commissioner Ragsdale approved. Commissioner Wallock approved. And Chairman DGO approved.

The motion passes unanimously. So the next step would be for submitting for building permits.

All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Let's look at the agenda. We're going to move on to old business. And this is item A, text amendment to the L light industrial district regarding data centers. chairman. This this is a draft based on our discussions from our our last meeting. I'm not asking for any action tonight, but I think we have everything addressed right now. There there are no data centers that have been requested or proposed here in all of that. We're just trying to be a little bit proactive uh in there. A lot of our neighbors have amended their codes to require them as special permits uh which means there's a little higher level of review uh for all of that. Right now a data center the way our uh zoning classification is defi defined it would be permitted by rights. So someone would just be p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p pulling a building permit and then getting an occupancy uh in there. What we would like to do is require uh amend the code and require special permit. So therefore, if somebody found a facility uh before they can apply for any building permits or occupancy, uh they would have to petition the plan commission for review and approval and get council authorization. Uh and again, I think that's consistent with the majority of the communities around the area. Now, uh in there, uh so we talked about that. So when you create a special permit, you have to identify some conditions that it should comply that you want to give them some guidance. Uh and what we talked about was having a minimum lot area. 120,000 square feet is a very common lot area that we use, which is a little bit uh less than 3 acres uh in there. It'd be consistent with other components of our code where we do differentiations. Uh require that it has a buffer of 300 ft. That's somewhat similar to what we did uh for um cultivation facilities for cannabis uh and warehousing and transportation facilities for cannabis. uh this is to assist in mitigating some

of the noise issues uh that are related with uh with with these centers. And then the commission had asked for performance standards. In your draft, you'll have some more specific guidance, but we would be requesting performance standards uh both on electric water usage and sound and noise uh mitigation. What the code would be asking is that they provide a professional consultant uh that addresses these three issues identifying you know what was there what is there now what is the the requirement and is the are the resources there uh uh uh uh consistent to put to supply that demand and and such. uh you have the wording in in written in your packets and then we also have it online if you want to read it uh later down the road. We did look at uh several other communities especially further out west uh I think these were from uh uh uh Wville Wright city uh and what they had in place uh in there. Uh then there was other communities that uh addressed uh generators and their operations. And then uh the battery energy storage systems is usually is the uh areas that uh they collect uh either the generator energy or any other um type of uh energy resources like the uh solar panels or or wind in there to make sure that where they store that uh is compliant with uh the fire protection standards. it would be anyway. We're just kind of reiterating this uh in that process. So, these would be the general conditions uh in there. Again, they're kind of now written out uh in there. You guys can take a look at it, mull it over uh and we can uh discuss this at our January meeting uh for consideration of action. If there's anything else you'd like to add to that list, please let me know. I was trying to craft it and be

careful. Again, the the the state has started discussions on these and what I'm trying to to get is be consistent with what the state has identified under the community's control. Like we can control place, we can control time, we can control aesthetics, uh the performance standards, that's a new area. Uh but we're not asking to control that. We're asking to get that information to assist in the decision-m process uh in there. I don't know if we'll see any new changes uh in this coming uh uh legislative year uh in there. Uh uh but I think the the the main components of this would be reasonable uh and that most communities kind of have the same standard. So

I think this looks good so far. Yeah. Uh Miss Dodie put together some graphics for us here just so you have an idea. Uh again, uh the hard gray areas are the industrial park. Those that are highlighted in the uh in the blue represent uh parcels that are over 120,000 square ft. Once you take in the um residential buffers, you can see the parcels that are applicable. I think that makes sense, right? Nicely done. Mhm. way.

And I I think you know it's good to also kind of look at you know what what is is there Murphy has their administrative offices located here and they do uh fabrication in this side and then they own this building. So Murphy's been pretty active with these three parcels and we hope that they continue to be you know residents here for for the for a long time. uh in there. Uh this facility down at Shoreline, uh Shnooks operates all their floral floral operations there. Uh they're a great business for us uh in there. Um but it's not anything unique of a building. Yeah. Yeah.

We're we're fortunate that they've selected that location. It's probably great for them because it's pretty well centralized uh in there. This facility though uh it is currently occupied um in there but it a lot of times it seems uh very low intensity. It used to be the old uh uh printing operations for Ganet who did which did USA Today uh in there. If there was anyone I would be suspicious of because it it is an older uh singlestory kind of warehouse minimal office type of facility. Gotcha. I mean are we trying not to have data centers

I think we just want to control I think no that's not our goal the underlying goal but to make sure that we have the regulations where we can manage where they can be and those four sites would be the the ideal sites and control the impact right but if if those four sites aren't available and somebody wants to come in here are we saying that hey no brainer and ultimately if you look out uh in in these sites. The only site that's available that isn't occupied at this moment is this uh vacant piece of land here off of Dealman. We go.

Uh we've been very fortunate. Our industrial parks do pretty good in terms of their occupancy. We got, you know, spaces here and there, but most of the larger buildings are are pretty well occupied. Have you been involved with any construction of data centers or anything? I haven't heard it. The only thing I marked down that I was going to ask about was pollution. Is there any concern about pollution with any of these things with like water cooled or anything like that? And I think that's where the uh we would want the consultant to to talk about water. Water. Okay. Yeah. I haven't I haven't been anything, but I know it's coming and it's coming very fast and they're going to be looking for places.

Exactly. That's kind of the whole and it's interesting. Just a little bit of background because we had to do some research, but there's they come in like in three tiers. So, you can find like really small ones that are looking like for 15,000 square feet or less, but they're they they're usually you don't even know that something's in there, right? Then you have the the 15 to 50,000 square foot and that that's typically like what we a lot of the buildings that we have uh in there. And then there's the 50,000 plus where they're called the mega centers. And those are the ones that you hear, you know, in there. And frankly, we just don't have that that size of buildings up, you know,

and luckily we we don't have any vacancies. Correct. But, you know, the smaller ones, how how big of a deal are those? Yeah, it you know, I think most of the the stuff we hear about are these larger ones. uh in there and it's it's really hard to say or distinguish are they talking about this little micro or are they talking about the mega uh in there but we can continue to look and see what we can find just the especially the impact of the smaller ones maybe that's not a bad if they're if those aren't a problem maybe we're classif you know we're throwing them into the bunch you know unnecessarily

okay we can take a look at that okay great I think this moving along quite well. Okay, let's move on then to uh item five, 2024 comprehensive plan.

All right, just uh real quick update in in in terms again these were the council priorities that were discussed uh a couple of months ago. again the uh enhancements along uh Olive Boulevard with streetscape enhancements along the the city's network, you know, pedestrian bicycle uh removing barriers to solar panel installation, establishing outdoor lighting regulations, uh implementing and improve uh storm water oversight and regulations. And then on housing about uh allowing the subdivision of larger lots into small smaller lots for an opportunity for smaller homes and new regulations to manage the size and impact of new homes and such. So what we did is that we for the commission after getting some guidance from the council uh we went back to the the 2024 comp plan and then Miss Dodie has been sending out a survey uh weekly uh that identifies you to kind of prioritize where uh what kind of uh potential community actions uh you would recommend uh within each goal. And we went over the first one at our last meeting regarding uh housing where the council again was looking to adjust uh lot sizes uh and new regulations to manage the size of these homes. The commission was pretty close. You know, the commission was looking for adjustments to permit smaller lots for smaller homes. Uh conduct a comprehensive housing plan assessing current stock and conditions. And then uh a renters's bill of rights. Those were the top three. There are of course I believe there's like eight of them. uh that are noted in the comprehensive plan. We were just identifying the ones that received the three highest points uh in in that process and then kind of highlighted where they fall with the council. We also uh in in this section uh a couple of members did allow uh did provide some more comments or or other uh what we'll call PCA's put plan community actions

you know about allowing ADUs allowing tiny homes um kind of establishing regulations to control the demolition by right um to dis uh and then a a discussion about whether we're dis incentivizing older homes uh the way the current process works and you know how we kind of also have the way this the the current process is set up that we we view houses one by one as opposed to holistically like a whole street at the same time uh in there. So that's where we're we're at in those. We had a little bit of discussion at our last meeting uh about the the three along with the uh the addedons here and again it was just trying to get uh that information and then we talked about the next survey that went out and that was goal I regarding environmental sustainability. Uh the objectives were to reduce the environmental impacts uh preserve and enhance all of its natural areas and habitats and minimize the impact of climate change. Here the council talked about the barriers of uh two solar panel installations um a a need for more stringent outdoor lighting regulations and to implement and improve storm water oversight in our regulations. What the commission said, and this is new, uh was to preserve and protect green space, habitat, sensitive land, uh to consider impacts on air and and water qual quality, and to promote green infrastructure uh as a storm water management strategy. So again, they're they're not too far uh in there. the council did was a little bit spec specific uh specifically uh with these two uh in there but a lot of it kind of falls under the the the the larger aspect when you look at the comprehensive plan there were I believe there were 18 plan community actions um these are the three council ones so

they weren't specific to these uh but you know the top three that the commission had go back to the previous slide which was preserve and protect the green space habitats and sensitive lands impacts on air quality, air and water quality and promote green infrastructure um in there and we kind of talked about that commissioner Spiegel glass just brought it up as we were talking about the the data centers. So, it's looking at rules and regulations regarding those specifics. Uh, in there and what the council requested wasn't on our u wasn't on our uh there survey. Right. Uh correct. Okay. That's Yeah, correct. I kept that independent or separate just kind of staying on the comprehensive plan. Okay.

On the next one, the uh the most recent one was go J, which was about strategic redevelopment and growth. uh the objectives are they enhance the appearance and of commercial and industrial development of oliveette particularly on Olive and encourage efficient and successful growth and redevelopment. They're all both pretty broad but the council again kind of focused on Olive it's current streetscape uh and then also to the streetscape enhancements between the pedestrian bike network throughout the city. Um and there what the commission was pretty much in consensus uh further chapter 428 which is our streetscape standards and the olive boulevard master plan to improve quality consistency along Olive explore funding opportunities to implement these improvements because right now we just do it on a redevelopment basis uh and to consider smart growth principles that's a whole broad area that we we can discuss at a at a bigger day but that's looking at uh a site like Olive Crossing where you have residential, you have commercial, you have um you know office or and you have a uh pedestrian linkages, you have open space all considered as one part of a development uh in there and that's the smart growth type of principle. Uh so we do follow some of these in there. Um and then again there was about 18 uh plan community actions that were noted in the comprehensive plan. you got the the top three is the the ones that we are noting here and nobody else had brought uh any others to add on. So, we're still evaluating it. We'll continue to get the top three of the next two. I think Don just sent out the fourth one uh this week.

Um actually, no, I have not sent it out yet. Everybody has already gotten back. Well, actually, I guess I did. Um everybody's just already gotten back to me. So, tomorrow there will be no reminder email. Um, just a hearty thank you this evening and probably tomorrow again to say thank you all for responding and getting back to me on that goalie. I miss those reminder emails that was getting them. But nagging you is such a great thing to do. Huh.

So the the the the the goal would be again as we consider the council uh we'll add the top three on on the uh that we received from the surveys and hopefully by our January our next January meeting which should be the 15th we'll have that fully completed and then we can kind of talk about the different action steps and and which ones to to kind of focus on along with those council items in there. Uh I don't know if the liaison has anything to to provide beyond that and hopefully we're going in there and then if there's any questions about the process I'd like to know. I mean right now I think this is good to kind of get get an idea of which which how to kind of h create some type of hierarchy on where to start to the on on these. Again this is a 20-year plan. So we have 20 years to to try to you know look and implement some of these and some of these won't be commission created or or or or written like a renters's bill of rights. That'd be something again that we would encourage our leaison on to talk to the council uh to develop because that wouldn't be part of the zoning code uh in there. But then also to educate the commission that there are certain things that we already do inhouse uh to ensure that renters are aware of their their uh their rights and all that. There's a pamphlet we have up here that uh gives them access to the state and some of the state services uh and there and then uh and there and I believe there's some information on our website too that that identifies where people can get help on these matters.

I think this is great. The only thing I would say is to uh look at the where the midpoints or the mid level ones are and if those are easier to get done, lowhanging fruit, then maybe we should work on some of those rather than starting with the hardest and getting bogged down. Okay.

Anybody else have any comments? I think especially to your point because I mean difference between 19 and 16 or 17 isn't massive in the scheme of so we're pretty tight. They're pretty tight which is great consensus wise but I think it shows they're all important but you're right like a a renters's bill of rights is going to take some time right and readings and going back and forth and things like that but you're right some some a lot simpler um I think the council will have to take advice obviously from you know Mr. Tjo and others just to understand kind of what would help over you know the decades of being here like what what are the things that could be moved faster right you guys agree then we take if we bring it up for you know bills exactly

all right good thanks Carlos I appreciate that we'll move on to other business uh item A reports Carlos

All right uh the one thing I I want to go over with the commission is uh our calendar for next this coming here. Uh we have no meeting on January 1st. Uh of course that is the first Thursday uh for 2026 and in the month of January. So and we can't have meetings on a holiday uh in there. So we we this that meeting will be cancelled. Our first meeting will be January 15th. Uh in March uh spring break for the Leoo School District is the 13th through the 20th. Our Lady of the Pillar is the 16th to the 23rd. So, our March meetings are the 5th and the 19th. And why I don't need answers now, but I think we we want the commission to kind of look at the 19th uh because you know who would have conflicts. Uh

I am not going out of town. So, so I'll just say right now probably in March I'm going to have a newborn in the house. So, probably the 5th and the 19th I'm not going to be here for that. You bring them. You want that? I will probably be gone on the 19th, but could maybe attend via Zoom. Yeah. And the goal would be I I think they just like a lot of the applicants just like a heads up and we can adjust the schedules

in there. For April, we have Passover and Easter. Uh Passover runs from the 1st to the 9th. Miy Thursdays the 2nd and then we have meetings on April 2nd and April 16th. We haven't had an issue before in terms of Passover, but I just wasn't sure and I didn't want to make assumptions here. And we haven't had issues with Motty Thursday also. I might be out April 16th. the Passover, that second night of Passover, I wouldn't be able to attend.

That's the the April 2nd, correct? Correct. Right. And as we get closer again, we'll we'll talk about these days. Uh for May uh we uh there's Shabbat the 21st and the 22nd uh graduations uh PCDC meetings are the 7th which I don't believe would be an issue and then the 21st and we get closer towards the end of school and all that and again we've managed before I just just keeping in mind this is correct

uh for September Rashashana is the 11th through the 13th and Yanapore is the 20th through the 21st so they should have no impact to our scheduled dates, the 3rd and the 17th of September. And then as we get towards December, Hanukkah is the 4th through the 12th. Our PCDC meeting dates are the 3rd, which is prior, and then the 17th, which is after. So, we should be good. If there's any other dates or things I should look into, just let us know. Uh, but I think uh we just want to be able to give people Yeah. Yeah. an advanced notice. Okay, sounds great. Brian,

uh the only thing I have is the pett option that was uh uh going to be scheduled private previously got moved because of I believe it was the weather when we had the snow. So, it's been moved to January 17th at Five Oaks. It's call out and then reminder everyone the pet licenses are due by the end of the month registering your pet. Um, and just a big, you know, happy holidays and thank you to everyone for long year. A lot of late nights with some big big projects, but you can see the the wealth of that coming up and a lot of big openings in the Q1, Q2 of next year with, you know, Brass Tap and the King Verizon store and Paris Spaghette. So, it's going to be very exciting.

Very exciting. Great comments. Appreciate them. All right. Um, one other thing that we need to talk about is acknowledgements of meeting minutes. Actually, chairman very impressed. Mr. Carwell would like to read those aloud to the commission. The ones from May May 1st and August 17th, we are going to acknowledge receipt of both. If anybody has any corrections, please call talk to Jack direct. So, thank you everybody. I agree. Happy holidays to everybody and thanks. And what time is it? Good job everybody. Good job.