Planning & Community Design Commission - Regular Meeting

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All right, J. Okay, we'll call tonight's City of Olivet Planning Community Design Commission for October 16, 2025 to order. Um, acting secretary Sam, would you please call the role? Member Tim Spiegelass, present. Member Laura Ragsdale, present. Member Felicia Ford, present. Uh, member Jenna Nat, absent. Uh, Secretary Petri Powell here. Uh, vice chairman St. Wallik present and chairman Rob Jigal

present. All right. Let it also be known that we have our city council liaison council member Brian Lewis in attendance as well as staff liaison Carlos Tjo's uh director of the planning and community development department Dawn Dodie senior planner and Jack Carswwell planning and zoning administrator. Um do I see is there anybody else that I need to notify? No everybody's been acknowledged.

Good good. All right. Thanks everybody for being in attendance. We appreciate it. It's not always that we get more than a couple members in the audience. So, we appreciate a little bit of attendance here. So, uh thank you. Um for those of you who've never been to this before, we follow kind of an agenda type program. So, we go through each item one by one. Um there'll be typically with each agenda item, there'll be a staff presentation. There'll be time for commission members to ask questions with staff, kind of go over things, and then we typically bring on the petitioner to kind of help answer any questions or to provide any additional background on the petition that we need to know about. Um, and then we also uh ask if there's any public comments related to that agenda item. If there are public comments that are not related to an agenda item, we kind of cover that in the beginning. Okay? But we do ask you um you know if it's if you do have public comments that are related to an agenda item, wait until that agenda item and wait till that time uh is allotted and uh and then we'll provide it. We do ask that uh all public comments be limited to no more than three minutes kind of make everybody to allow for everybody's opinions to get heard and to kind of keep things you know moving along. So u we do uh ask if you guys you know try to keep it as concise as possible and try not to be repetitive with duplicate comments but indicate you share the same feelings you know with the other people. Um so any questions? All right seeing none. Oh for those online um we do uh you will will ask you to push the button that says to raise your hand. Um it's usually at the bottom of the Zoom um uh display or window. Um and we do ask that um uh if you are brought in to speak, we do ask that you

um uh look uh to make sure your mic is on as well as your video is on. It'll speed things up. By default, those are turned off. So we can't really proceed until those are turned on. So look for those. It it'll help things out a lot. So all right. Good. Good. Carlos, did I miss anything? No, sir. Okay, we'll move on to public comments that are not related to anything on the agenda. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to have a public comment about anything non-aggenda item related? Seeing none, Carlos, will you check online?

Does anybody online like to speak regarding to a non-related agenda item or item? And chairman, there is one person, but uh no hand. Okay, good, good, good. So, we'll move on to uh new business. I

chairman, a couple of announcements if that's okay. Uh so, since uh to begin the meeting, uh the month of October is National Community Planning Month uh where we recognize uh all the volunteers uh that assist staff uh for planning with all of that. And we want to thank the commission members, board of other board members. Uh the council did adopt a proclamation on Tuesday uh recognizing the the contributions that you as volunteers with families put at least uh two times a month uh uh reviewing uh and you know dedicating your time to the community and all that and it's much appreciated.

Well, thank you. That's very nice. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Do we get a certificate?

Darn. The second item is uh to inform the public. Of course, we do have our 2024 comprehensive plan update uh which establishes our community vision to be a vibrant and unique city strengthened by its diverse population, invigorated by its opportunities for community connection and distinguished by its dynamic sense of place. Within this visions, our our our main values are building community, you know, embracing diversity, boarding sustainability, balancing our economy, making sure that the community is a affordable and attainable and to provide opportunities for a connected built environment and a sense of place. Uh the 2024 comprehensive plan and its full uh aspects are online and encourage you know uh members of the public to take a look at that. That sets our our vision. it identifies our goals and pretty much sets the precedent of how this commission uh uh makes its decisions uh through that process. So that's all I have. Thank you.

Thanks, Carlos. I mean, it's always great to go over those. I think that's good to keep that in the forefront of kind of everything we do. So that Thank you for keeping that up. All right, let's move on to new business item A which is 8950 Olive Crossing lot number six. Jack or car?

Mr. Carswell is going to make the presentation and as he's preparing uh I am going to kind of show a quick aerial of the the the site and its location uh just for uh for view and if you could bear with me one second and I'm hoping that our commission members online can see that video look and they can't. No. All right. You want to start that up? Yes. So, I'm hoping now the commission members can see the the Yes.

the aerial video clip. As Mr. Carwell gets through the details. The closest the the the the northern wall of the proposed uh hotel aligns itself with these lines right here. It starts here and then what we know as lot six extends back and there this is a mound of dirt that's being stored on that site that that dirt will be removed as part of the process and Mr. Carwell will talk about the uh the grading as he goes through his presentation. Is this the furthest most southern tip of that entire um development?

Yes, ma'am. Okay. I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure.

All right. Hey, Carlos. is the well Jack or Carlos will the presentation kind of go over kind of how we got here what happened before just because we have new commission members so I think it'd be great bear with me you should be now yes sir

good evening commission so before you tonight is 8950 50 Olive Crossing, lot 6, which is now um proposed for a co court courtyard by Marriott. Um just for clarification, we're not acting acting on this item tonight. This is more of like a preliminary design review to allow the commission to uh um provide guidance for um anything based on the building for architecturally improvements, site improvements, and the aesthetic design of the building. Um so just a little background information about the development as a master development plan. Um, this came in and was approved under um, one moment. I want to make sure I get the exact date right. On September 24th of 2019, the city council approved to establish the Elovette Gateway Plaza PDD redevelopment uh, for Olive Crossing, which is a 14 acre site. Um, this happened through ordinance 26575 and ordinance 2725. Um the two ordinance approved the master development plan for the 14acre plan development district that is known as the Olivet Gateway Plaza PDD which is now called Olive Crossing. What has not been approved by the city council is the architectural design and aesthetics of this building. Hence why it's here tonight before design review. So just to clarify, the hotel has already been confirmed as this site will house a hotel and confirmed and approved by council. Um for some additional information, the design review concept that happens kind of falls under the third step of the process during the review process. First is the conceptual review. The second is the development review which is where that master development plan is adopted. And then the third step is the design review where we are at today. Um a little bit more information about the lot. Um it's just a proposed four-story hotel, 128 rooms. um part of the autoc crossing development of course and then uh that the use at location in mass has already been approved by council. Um so next is this was kind of the example

of the master development plan. You can see um in the bottom left is a zoomedin picture of what that lot will look like. That's uh where the hotel is. Um the configuration or you know footprint of that hotel may have changed. Um, however, that is what what the overall development plan was in place and then we can move on to um, so now we're going to go into the grading about the site. So, like Carlos noted, there's about um, sort of I want to say 10 ftish of uh, Xfill dirt that has, you know, as the other sites towards the front of Olive have been redeveloping, that dirt has just been, you know, slowly pushed back. That dirt is not going to stay on the property. So, the grading plan has already been approved by MSD. And as you can see this here, the hotel first floor is shown to be at Oh gosh, I can Okay, there we go. 58950. And the elevation provided notes that the screen wall there's a screen wall on the uh southern side. No, western side. Yes, sir. Thank you. The western side um that abuts the Stonley Tower subdivision. That screening wall uh will be roughly 2 ft higher than the hotel's first floor. So, that grading plan, just for a little bit of uh information, you have it in your packets, but that cross-section was kind of done as a two to one. So, that patio space looks a lot closer to where that screen wall is going to be than it actually is. Where that larger red arrow is pointing, there is an inlet there. And that smaller red arrow is pointing to the MSD plans that note that that top of that inlet is at 586. Um and then the grading plan will here I go to the next slide. Okay. So then the grading plans show that the grading will gradually slope down like 3 to 4 feet from the foot of the wall and slope up around two roughly 2 to 3 ft back up towards the hotel's first floor. So um as you can see there the base of that screen buffer wall is actually going to be 2 ft higher than

what the first floor of the hotel is set at. Um, also for some additional context, I don't know if you guys can see it that well there, but there's me standing on top of the inlet at 586 and the wall is over there at 591. Um, in total, the hotel is roughly um, making sure I get this 100%. Okay. The um hotel that was provided notes that the overall height will be set at 44 ft of the that's where the primary roof line is. However, it goes up an additional 10 ft due to the parapit within the um master development or the ordinance that was adopted. Those parapits are actually not included within the overall building height. So, we're not going to count that towards the overall height of the building. It's just based off of that primary roof line. So, it's going to be going off of that 44 ft that was presented in the plans. Um, Jack, just to interrupt, just to to clarify for the commission, the the storm water infrastructure has already been put in place. That's that's been already uh installed. And what this represents here is the the underground storm water main that runs towards Olive. This here looks like a pencil is the actual uh storm water inlet. And up on top of this inlet is where Jack is standing. That that's already in place. And it it's not like that this can be moved down or or readjusted. That line runs all the way north towards Olive. Uh, so we we're we're letting you know in terms so you get a good idea of because of the the the the mound the storage mount back here what the actual grades are cuz those are based before any of that construction started. Uh so you can see Jack, you know, his his feet are at 586.33 which is the top of the inlet uh that that is already there. You can't

see it in in in the uh in there. And then the wall the base of that wall is at 591.5. What's the ground floor? Uh the ground floor for the the hotel. Uh I'm going to take it back to to Jack. Is that 589.5? 589.5. Mhm. I'm going to go back up one and you can see it here. And the the first slide also has the full uh MSD line shown.

Yeah. Yeah. So here's that inlet. This goes all the way back to olive here. And that top of that inlet is the bottom of that swell. Here's the base of the buffer screen wall. And here's the finish for the hotel. Okay. All yours, Jeff. So then we go on to just the general information regarding the hotel. So the hotel again is totaling 75,365 ft. The overall building height of the hotel is at 54 ft including the parapit but 44 where we don't include that parapit. Um it will house an indoor pool and an exterior courtyard. And just to clarify with the MU district, the MU district notes that a patio must be the patio on the exterior must be at least 20 ft away to establish the transitional yard or a buffer. So that's noted there as well from the um screen wall. It must be that much distance away from there to establish that transitional yard. Um here are some uh elevations of the hotel. You can see um that they just have the different We'll go into the discussion topics actually next. So I'll go into that um and then we can jump back. But so within staff's discussion topics, we kind of already touched on the grades and topography, but then some other stuff that stuck out to us when we were doing our review was asking the questions of what happens between the area of I70 and the retaining wall and the parking on the east side of the site. who's gonna, you know, what's going to happen with that leftover space, what's going to go on with the maintenance of it. Um, we're questioning just looking for uh additional information on the lighting. Still awaiting a lighting plan to just make sure that we can get that. Um, sustainability, we're going to ask, you know, what is being done related to the waste and recycling operations, the storm water collection and reuse what Carlos already said it's in the site, but you know, additional aspects of that. And then the lighting efficiency and sustainability relating to building

materials. Um, also one thing that's noted in our developers agreement as well as um it's the MU code that talks about the materials. Majority of the materials on the hotel as Ephus and Ephis is signified as a um secondary building material rather than a primary building material. So, we want to bring this up to the concern of the commission just because um within the code it states that um to all building materials shall be the subject to review and approval by the commission. The commission shall engage with the developer to maintain the full extent as possible standards outlined under these building material sections. And then I wrote that the following exterior building materials are considered secondary which that's noted as cement stucco or ephus or any floor for that's above the ground level floor. So that's noted as a secondary material but it's shown um pretty you know significantly throughout the project but again also not on the first floor at some portions. Um we also are uh seeking some clarification on that exterior patio. you know, how will the noise be controlled with the neighbors that are behind there in the subdivision? Um, is the patio just is it more than just the slab that's shown? Um, the area should contain a defined perimeter which will then, you know, control the access points of that patio, allowing for more privacy as well as buffering from that space located off of the rear of the hotel. Um, we're just um requesting an accurate hotel floor plan. It very well could could be accurate that was sent but they're depicted as on your plans as third and fourth plan floor plan twice and there are differences between those. So we just want to make it may just be something of you know simplifying the notation to just say fourth floor plan versus third and fourth floor plan. So we would just like to to go back and just check over that. And then also how to incorporate the master pedestrian plan as part of that um ordinance and

developer agreement. There was the uh a pedestrian plan that was put in place. Carlos drew this great pedestrian plan that's on your screen right here. Um, and then we're asking how will the sidewalk to the pedestrian pass pathways on the site be integrated with the master pedestrian plan for the development as a whole. And we're seeking um how that pedestrian plan is going to be applied to this site. So, we're still awaiting that plan as well. Um, and then I can answer any questions as well as Carlos as well as u Mr. Yawitz is here too. Does anybody have any initial questions? I I have a couple of questions. Go ahead.

One is given the proximity to the backs of these homes and I know there are screening walls there. Um are we in the in the future lighting plan going to require maybe night sky uh lighting for the parking lot so it's not blaring into the backyards of of Stonelight Towers? Um that's the first question. And then the second question is since this is in the f the southernmost parcel um is there any um idea to have Marriott do some sort of wayfinding sign saying that this is the city of Alvette? I think I mentioned before that I think it's not really clear with the normal mod signage you know that we are distinct from University City. Um, and you don't know that you're entering ELTE when you come off a 170 and make a left. And so it seems to me that either some signage there or signage on Olive where I think it's a catch basin. I can't remember in my head, but you know where there's going to be some signage that makes does the placemaking for us. Um, and so those are my two main questions and I don't know if you have any information on either one of those. Chairman, I can go ahead and address and part of our chapter 4 428 requires that the lighting be uh controlled. It has to be set so there's no spillover um in that process. Uh now the the one thing is that the the the developer was granted approval for uh uh a height of 24 or 28 ft for their for their poles uh in their along the internal parts and eastern portion of of the property. We'll like to see of course to see the lighting plan uh once it is submitted.

We don't have one uh in there. And then one of the uh items that's noted in your staff report uh talks about the control of the the blue hue or the the the lighting hue trying to minimize that. Uh that's one of the the uh the aspects of the dark skies and um even uh creep just recently adopted an ordinance that controls uh the color temperature of the uh uh of the lighting. the developers worked with us uh in the current installation at Audi and along Olive uh to try to address those two issues uh in there. And I think of today we've had one one concern uh and that was regarding the lighting that was on the top uh deck of the parking structure and I know the developer was getting that addressed uh uh after we informed him of of some concerns that were brought our to our attention. That was just my concern is that we've already had this issue raised and you know I I assume that it's going to be addressed in the lighting plan and I know Creek Corus has some um I think it's a BMW dealership that does this direct downward lighting and it's so much nicer than you know a used car lot. Um and I hope that we're somewhere at least in between more downward facing to protect you know the parking lot but not spill over to the neighbor.

It is required. It is required by code already. Okay great.

So regarding the wayfinding a very good question and here we'll talk about this a little bit later. Um bear with me here. Uh on wayfinding you we have you know two two different plans uh in place. uh parks the parks department kind of prepared a a wayfinding plan. Um it's probably about five or eight years old uh in there where they the the request was for us to stop putting all of that on signage uh in there uh that it was the if you look at their plan and the grand scheme they they they they had uh identified and articulated where the signage would go including like the entry signs into all of that. Now, those have not been funded as of yet. Uh, but they do have a master plan regarding wayfinding. Uh, it's kind of geared more for the parks uh in there, but they also uh took the lead in terms of uh the city entrances uh in there. Now, the developer just put up uh this was the last one that the commission uh had approved in which we we were providing signage or an entry point as part of this development and uh that olive crossing uh sculpture that uh that runs across here. So, you'll see that under the bridge. So, when you're coming from University City heading west, you'll see right under the bridge uh the Great Rivers Greenway mural. And then this is this is right behind that. Further down you'll see the the Olive Crossing signage.

Uh in there I I'm curious why they don't want there to be signage that tells people they're in Olivet. I mean Olive Crossing it's like olive markets in New City. It doesn't tell them doesn't tell anybody anybody that's coming into either town what town they're in. I don't understand. Yeah, I I'll get you a copy of of their plan and and again, holistically, it talks about that aspect of what they're trying to do. Okay. Okay, Jack, did you say the parapit height is 10 ft? Yeah, it shows on the your the building elevations. Let me see if I have them shown here as well. Jack, cool.

Um, yeah, I don't know. It's probably not the clearest there, but on your uh physical plan set, the elevations show it to be um right on the bottom right. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, it shows that that roof line, you know, ends at 44 ft, but then has the parapit shown at 54. So between that roof line and the parapit, I'm assuming there's, you know, 10 ft of um and when we were speaking with the developer, it seems like it's something uh in place for the ele elevator shaft as well as, you know, something casing the staircase, but that's not 10 ft all the way around. That's just in No, it's only in that portion. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's the parapit height kind of around the perimeter? Do you know? There is none.

Um I am not sure off the top of my head. I will do some research and also maybe the developer has that answer as well. And Jack, you could see it a little closer here. It's a 40 foot border, so it's a couple of feet extra. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I just thought 10 feet all the way around. Yeah. No, sorry. Only in some portions. Yes, sir. Um, and I assume like if you look at the east elevation, the very top, it looks like an HVAC unit on the roof at the far right. That's the par the I'm assuming the par that's gonna cover that, right? Yeah. Okay. All right. Will you be able to see any HVAC units up there from the ground? Hopefully.

Or is that parapit just around the elevator voice? Well, also most of the Yeah, we actually can I Yeah. Well, let's can Yeah, I've asked any more questions. I think they're good questions, but just Okay. see if there's anything else before I could have Jack sit down. Okay. Um that those are the questions I had. Go ahead.

I have one more. So, what's the what is the elevation at like the like 170 on the other side? We talked about what it was. Okay. They have uh right here. It's kind of hidden in your packet. Um on the back side they have the full cross-section. It's a little farther past the hotel plans, the elevations. Um and it's showing that that proposed grade drops roughly um it slopes off that top of the first floor where that first floor is at 589 and then it looks like it goes down to roughly um five I want to say like 587 586 on that side and then it drops again with the um existing draining ditch that's there. Okay. Um my other question has fire approved this class.

Yeah, it's fire that wants the well in in coordination in there. Uh they they wanted an access drive that went the full width of the building and that was put on the eastern side to keep it away from the buffer. And then they needed that three-point turn turnaround. So you'll see that that that T at the very end of the site plan and I'll show you just a second. Uh you were asking about 170 and and and and the the building and that's the detail there. Okay, for those online, you should be able to see the the the site plan, the colored site plan on this. Okay.

And this is the uh the authorized fire lane and then their turning uh area for the apparatus. So, their request that that satisfied not having a full loop around the building. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. You mentioned something originally about the courtyard and access points. Is that something that the developer will be able to address?

Yes. as well as uh within the access points for that. We were discussing the uh pedestrian plan and Carlos has the uh Oh, am I on the wrong thing? Carlos back. Sure. No worries. Thank you. Um

so with the intentions of like when this was first adopted, they were talking about doing a um walkable, you know, of course development, but then having this established spine that goes down that uh western side of the development. So, um, Mr. Yawis can speak on it regarding why, you know, the design choice has not reflected that. Um, but then we would go down maybe like when the future master pedestrian plans come into and with the commission's discussion, we can see how that's going to be addressed. But what was shown on the um m or sorry on or the ordinance shows this master spine going down the western side and then the southwest lot is lot six where that hotel is where that orange kind of is looping around down at the bottom. So, it's kind of establishing this uh connectivity around the site as well, but then from the developer standpoint, you know, there are some concerns with privacy and having people going all behind the hotel and whatnot and having that. So, he'll speak on that. And Jack, I know there there are two components to the pedestrian plan. There's the purple that you see that is the primary and then there's the orange that is the secondary. The intent of the purple is to minimize the pedestrian having to go over as many streets and aprons as possible. So, the intent of having the the that primary spine run along the western edge of the development was to to avoid it having to go on the other side of the street where you'll have aprons and cars crossing uh and such. Uh once you get to lot six, then it becomes secondary with a with a with a goal that somebody could could walk a loop within that development. Uh in there here, the illustration kind of shows that you can go all the way around the building, but the intent here is that somebody can can use this area for for exercising or or walking uh and without impeding or or getting in the way of traffic as much as possible. And I believe this I got a question, but I believe it's already been addressed and it's kind of like hours of

operation. I know that's not part of our preview tonight, but do you remember what hours of operation are for outdoors loading, you know, equipment? A very good question. It's something I'll have to take a look at if there's anything within the code uh uh in there or if it's part of the agreement. Yeah. All right. I'll take a look. All right. Any other questions? uh comments for uh for staff. Okay. Thanks, Jack. Appreciate it. Thank you,

Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. My name is Greg Yowitz, uh with Kevet Gateway, the master developer, and uh with what is the entity for the hotel, which is known as um KOG Hotel LLC. It's very creative. Keat Gateway abbreviated Hotel LLC. Would you mind would you mind stating your address for the Oh, my home address is 6 Heather Hill Lane. Um, so one, I'm excited to be here.

Taken well longer than any of us wanted, but there was that little pesky pandemic thing that sort of messed up a whole lot of economic development around the country. Uh, and we were not immune to that. But we're here and that's the important part. So, um, I want to thank you for your attention tonight. I'm going to try to answer as many of the questions as were put forth to the best of my ability. There will be some more information coming and I'll explain why some of that information that isn't here isn't here and why. Um and then I look forward to our our next conversation. So, um let's start with what's on the screen and and the last thing that Jack mentioned, which is this pedestrian plan. So, if you look at the drawing with uh Carlos's very welldrawn purple and orange lines, as far as the purple lines go, that spine is mostly built. Currently, it stops at the southern end of the garage of the Clover Apartments, but is planned to extend all the way down to the hotel. That is our primary pedestrian path. In addition, if you look at everything to the right of that, we'll call it south of the other purple pinkish spine. Our plan has significantly changed since 200 uh 19 when we presented this. So, number one, south of the purple line is going to be a sitown restaurant. South of that will be another sitdown restaurant. South of that will be the hotel. So, as it relates to the orange concept, couple of thoughts. Number one, we're going to try to keep the majority of the pedestrians on the east side. I'm sorry, on the west side where we have the green space buffer and the sidewalk. Number two, we'll address how we can handle pedestrian in the restaurant lots when we bring those in for PCDC. But

let's talk about the hotel. So I believe personally that what we're showing with the spine as well as what you see on the concept site plan uh which is sheet you look at it's sheet one this one where we have a connectivity sidewalk from the hotel building to the north to the spine on the west side that runs north that's going to be our primary pedestrian path. I personally do not believe it is a good idea to invite pedestrians to walk around the southern end of a hotel on a dead end that has people's homes in their backyards. Um, and this ties back to a question you asked about the patio. So, the patio on the west side is an amenity for the hotel guests. It is not a public patio. This is not a public space. We do not want the public there. That is for the guests of the hotel. And there'll be signage to that effect as well. And you know, again, we're at the preliminary design. Will there be a railing around the patio? We could certainly look at something like that. Um, you know, something maybe decorative powder coated aluminum 3-foot, you know, again, something to demark where the this area is. And so while back in 2019 we had this lovely idea of a lot of cross pedestrian traffic, I do not believe that at 2 o'clock in the morning we want someone wandering on the southern end of this hotel out of sight of police and fire. And we will have a full camera array on the exterior of the building for for the safety of our guests. So um I just want to address that pedestrian thing first. We believe in pedestrian access. We have that spine planned all the way through. It goes to Olive. We have the ramp. So, for those of you that haven't been because we just pulled the fences Tuesday, go check out the lot three building. Don't go inside unless you have a hard

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But if you want to go to the property, um the ramp is now in down to Olive so that we can bring pedestrians up from Olive into our development. There'll be bike racks there where the fountain is going. they'll be able to cross on that spine diagonally and then take it all the way down to the hotel and vice versa, right? We want our hotel guests if they're like, "Oh my god, I could because it's a courtyard and it'll have little fridges. I could use a gallon of milk in my room." We want them to be able to walk up to Aldi. We don't want them to have to drive, right? We want to encourage outdoor activity. So, as it relates to pedestrian pathway, that's our plan and we think it's really from a safety standpoint, it is the best plan. Um, I just don't see I personally don't see the public using this as an exercise track in a closed development all the way to the southern end. So, that's number that's number one.

Can you provide an updated, you know, walkability plan or connectivity plan kind of based on what you already, you know, the new with everything that's Yeah, I'll I'll I'll get you a new overall site plan. Yeah. Um kind of like Carlos did and we'll color it we'll color it in show you where those lines go. Yes.

And with the you know kind of the future spaces kind of this you know where you're talking about the standalone restaurants any way you could just kind of project and kind of shade it and know that's going to subject to change but what your ideas are you you know where that I'm making a note of deliverables. Give me one second. Got it. And that kind of addressed my thought about the patio was so that people weren't trying to cut through and get to the neighborhood behind. So, you know, adjust it. So, yes.

Yeah. And the wall that we installed or the barrier we installed is 8t tall. Yeah. So, could somebody jump it or go around the far end or something? They could go around the far end. Absolutely. We just, you know, that's not, we're not looking for, we don't think there should be activity on the southern end.

Okay, great. All right. So, I'm going to start working through my list. So, lighting. Let's talk about lighting. So, I haven't had a lighting plan done yet. I wanted to come talk to you all, make sure that it felt like where we have the site, the building on the site works. Um, as Carlos mentioned, we ran this plan past fire to make sure it was safe for them. They had some comments. We adjusted the plan a few months ago about that. Uh, given that, I will get a lighting plan developed, but a few things to understand. And, um, as you know, I I live here. Um, we shield our lighting. We don't do lighting spillover. I was not aware until Carlos brought it to my attention. There was some spillover from the fixtures on the very top level of the Clover Garage. And we're getting I don't know if it's been installed yet or not. I can check with our team. Um but we were getting shade um shields to put on those again to stop that from happening. Lighting for me is math in as far as how the calculations are done. We will not spill light across the site. And to that end, and again back to the safety thing, if Carlos, you go back to the sheet one, when it comes to the area of the patio and the western side of the building, we're going to look for minimal lighting to provide a safe environment, not bright lighting. The majority of the lighting for this building will be on the highway side where the parking is. There'll be some lighting on the north end where there's some parking, but again, limited fixtures, completely shielded so that we do not spill light across onto our neighbors. We're not looking for big light cannons on this building, right? It's very visible from the highway. And there, frankly, other than for safety reasons, is no reason to have a bunch of light on the west side of that building at all. I think the most light you'll notice is if somebody opens a window and has their light on or has opens the the shade, but then again, that's not going to cast light out. It's

the light inside of a hotel room. So, um, ne any questions about that? Next on the list, uh, again on the patio, right, the patio is for the guests only. There's going to be a few tables and chairs out there. This is not there's not going to be a bunch of big events. This is not a hotel with a large banquet room. We have if you go to sheet two one thing I am excited that we're doing uh on the left side there you see those three meeting rooms again which face the highway side yeah there we go we are doing slightly sorry guys

that's fine I can wait for you there should be a way to get closer You may have a zoom feature on the bottom right below the zoom box that's hidden. All the other things we have to keep up. Got a lot going on on the screen. Yeah. Zoomed in. Hm. Do you need it zoomed in? I don't. So, it's just for you guys.

Um, so anyh who, what I was going to talk about is originally this prototype of Marriott uh actually has a few more rooms in it. We elected to eliminate a couple of rooms so that we could have more space for predominantly business meetings. There could be small family events there, right? You could see a small birthday party, bar mitzvah, thing like that. Um, but again, from a standpoint of thinking about our neighbors to the west, we put those rooms facing the highway side so that in the event the doors open to the meeting room, the noise doesn't spill to our neighbors. So we we were very conscious about where we placed those rooms. So I just want to comment about that and again for the benefit of the businesses in Alvette if they need a meeting room and they've got people in town and have a little convention. It's about if I'm not mistaken it's about 1,200 square feet. So it can't hold a ton of people but it's something we don't currently have invette available to our business community or again to families or or whoever. Any questions about that? So, are you having a restaurant in here?

So, a courtyard, a prototypical courtyard requires the courtyard cafe. So, that has to be a part that's a mandated Marriott thing, like a hood and everything like a like a full restaurant. I don't actually know. Um, I I can I can get back to you on that one. It's what my recollection is. You know, the Marriott food is mostly microwaved. I don't think there's a fryer system. I've never had fried food in a Marriott courtyard. There's a grill,

but there might be a grill. And so, and again, if you look at our plan, the um lounge and the Continental F&B, as it's called, again, it's it's hard to see. It is on the highway side. So, if we're venting, it's going to get vented above that side of the building, either straight through to the roof or out the side. Again, on the highway side of the building. Um the um the kitchen's on the Yeah, I don't I definitely don't in the middle that that you want to go out to the front of the building. What's that? I I wouldn't want that hood to go out or the vent to go out the front of the No, it likely would go straight up. Yeah, it would have to go straight up. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Then let's see. Patio, we talked about um you know, sustainability. sustainability kind of ties into the materials. Yes, this building has um a substantial amount of ephus on it. That said, these are prototypical Marriott designs. This came my partners with O'Reilly Hospitality who are going to be the operators of the hotel for um the partnership group which includes me, Rusty Keley, and Tim O'Reilly. Um they worked with Marriott to develop this. Marriott tells the we're a franchisee, so we don't have tons of say the things. So, this was what they told us they wanted to see. Can we modify the materials? We possibly could.

We can show them the one that's in Richmond Heights and Maryland Heights where there's at least 30 to 50% brick. Right. Right. And I can get those up on you'd like right now.

You can. But let me let me get to another point. The world has changed since those hotels were built. The cost of construction has skyrocketed. Some of you may know this. I'm sure Tim knows this. Um, and I'm going to give you just a a brief example. So, we are finishing out the inside. We'll be applying soon for the permits for the inside of the Verizon store. The cost we budgeted three years ago for that is 100% more today. So, can we do a little bit? Yes. If massive increase in masonry is required for this building, I'm just going to be completely honest, it may kill the ability to build this hotel. And I'm completely serious about this. The model of building and and again, you have an expert on your on your commission. The cost of construction is killing our industry. And so I don't believe Ephas is a cheap material. I don't believe it looks cheap. I think what Marriott has spec for us is a good-look building. Um I I need you know again this is you all are going to tell me what you're willing to live with but I am telling you right now we have significant concerns about the economic viability of this project if we have to substantially increase the amount of of of either hard surface material or stone on this building because as Tim could tell you it will drive the cost. So again, I I know what guidelines are. I know what percentages are. Um, we have a lot of Ephus on our lot 3 building and I think it looks spectacular. So

Carlos, could you put all four faces up? Sure. I think you have a drawing that show them. Greg, can we see one of these? Have they built this model somewhere? I'll ask. I'll find out. We'd like to see real pictures of what these are.

Yeah. I mean, I I really like the north elevation, you know, the west elevation, I mean, looks better, but it seems like that that east elevation just again, there's probably some things we could do even in even if it's in the color scheming and changing of some of the look where you break up the mass of the from what I guess is the southern half that has that predominant white block. I just I just want to level set. If it's like, "Hey, Greg, this this east side needs to be brick." It could kill the project.

Yeah. Well, you need to do something more, I think, with that. I'm not I'm not the architect on the board, but um I look for other commission members, you know, to kind of weigh in on this. Yeah. And I'll report back to my team that the East Elevation needs work without question. I would say also maybe different kinds of fiber cement panels maybe mixed in there or something maybe more different materials instead of an ephus wall maybe is what we're looking for more okay

I I'm struggling um with the idea that we want something more but are not giving them very good direction in terms of are we talking about just breaking up the white um or cream as it is. Um is it is it trying to get something different than the box look? I I think we have to send them away with more direction or they're just going to be spinning and then throwing something back at us and then we go at them again. I mean, you're exactly right, Richard.

I I appreciate the issue with where we are as a country in terms of construction materials being ridiculous at this point. Um, so I empathize. I I guess one of my questions is, is this the prototype for all new builds right now in this day for Marriott or is this been scaled back? Has it been beefed up? I that history I don't really know and I'm afraid I I must have missed it if it's in the materials. So when you say you want something more, what does that mean? And I'm talking to my fellow planning commission members, not you, the speaker. Um I I struggle because it looks very boxy to me too, but I'm not an architect and I don't know what it is that is making it not feel great. um if it's just because that white space is not broken up at all, those four stories. Um especially um but I think we need to send them home with some more direction than what we're saying. We just don't think it's enough, whatever that means.

No, I think you're right, Petri. But we're not architects and we're not the architects of of the project. But you know, if if I look at this east elevation, I like the right side better than I do the left. you know, well, and that's that's precisely what I'm saying is like that has broken up that white space and maybe it's just a matter of, you know, bumping out different room. I I don't know. I don't know the answer. And I again, we're not necessarily architects, but we I think we have to be more critical. And I think saying we really like the right side, but the left side is leaving us wanting. I think that's what we should be saying. What? What?

That's if that's what everybody's thinking. Quality of the material, not the color. Look. I'm sorry, I can't hear you. We can't hear you. He was asking whether it's the quality of the material or the color or the look. You know, that was a question that from an audience member that chimed in without being recognized. Um so um so let me answer a couple of questions that so number one I I uh is it Petri? Yes,

right. So, Petri, I can't answer um specifically about Marriott's design because the architect with my partner who interfaces with Marriott couldn't be here tonight and their offices are in Springfield, so he couldn't get I assume that there's a look though that they try to achieve. There is a look and if you, for example, if you go look at the courtyard on Hanley um and 64, personally, I hate that color scheme because it's yellow and I'm not a big fan of yellow. Ours are not. This is not a yellow um to my knowledge like they used there. I just I don't like what they did there. I don't just personally my I'm not an architect either. Um

however, I've been doing real estate development work for 35 years. When I hear mix in more materials, break up the face, that actually does tell me something and I can communicate that back because I've done again I've done this for hotels and multi-story buildings for decades. So, I will talk to my team about trying to introduce maybe some fiber cement panels, break up that mass, especially on the southern end of the east elevation. I mean, the west elevation actually is more broken up because it's got multiple north, you know, up and down breaks in it. Um, you know, the north and south elevations are relatively small, if you will, um, in in mass and size compared to the others. I actually Petri um I I sort of hear what I think I need to do.

Okay. Can you just I'm sorry I'm looking at the screen and not the hard copy. The line green that I'm seeing on the you know the PowerPoint is that represent something or is that just to give you depth or are we talking about lime green something or other? It's a lime green accent. It is actually and you know again these these are colored images. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I just wanted It is a Marriott. It is a Marriott green color. I'm not quite sure it's lime. Um I I I can find I would get the panone number.

It was just a quick question. I'm not making any comment about color necessarily. It's more about massing and how you can minimize the look of a you know that big and I'll try to get panone numbers and samples for our next meeting so you can see what the colors we're proposing are. I think that would be very helpful in reality. Yeah. Great.

If at all possible too on the east elevation, the left hand side where the first floor is Ephus, can that be a more, you know, of a sighting panel kind of like the west elevation or, you know, even your north and south elevation primarily you have, you know, that uh uh those panels all the way kind of across the the first floor, right? So, so yeah. Can can we panel floor one of the south floor one of the east face south of where it stops? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It could be a little bit broken up kind of like you have on the right hand side, but far majority, you know, it's a it's a lot of it's a lot of mass there that needs to be broken up.

Yeah, I'm cool with that. Okay, great. Um I assume you'll be able to have your architect, you know, uh here next time, you know. Yes, I I told him for the, you know, when he called and said he couldn't make it, I said, "This is a preliminary meeting. There's no action tonight. I'm gonna have a whole bunch of work for you to follow up on and do anyway, so this just worked better and he didn't have to drive four hours each way to get here." Makes sense. Makes sense on that. And I sorry to interrupt, but he's more than welcome to attend on Zoom, but secondly, that kind of delays, you know, I completely space that.

It kind of it delays the process and now kind of puts pressure on us because there is a timeline. We're introducing this to the commission uh in there. This isn't something we haven't talked about. I'll put that out so the commission is aware. uh in there and the the the issue is you know the the city and chapter 428 was written back in 2012 I think is that Ephis is considered first we started with as an accent material then we moved it to a secondary material uh in there and I think there are some some points in in the code specifically that first floor shouldn't be ephus and good example is like the shopping centers that you'll see up on on Olive and there are cars just hit them, people kick them, and it's falling apart. Anything that's on a first level or accessible to a vehicle or person, they can take a big Yeah.

take a jump right off of it. And there and and the goal is, you know, I could understand the

the aspects of of the cost and all that, but ephus for a base or in this case like on the east elevation where it is the principal material. I mean it is very you know the the the fiber cement is very secondary to uh to that usually we the preference would have been reversed um but I think where there are other alternatives it doesn't we understand about the costs that we made the change and I think it was something that you assisted us in in in in converting the adding that you know we everything doesn't need to be brick that we allow the fiber cement the alcohol I think or Aluca or I forgot the Alukabond.

Yeah. And oh, there's a Luca bond, there's nih. We've introduced a whole bunch of other uh materials, but we kept defus at bay as a secondary type of material.

Carlos, is that typical? Because I mean I my experience was that it is used quite a bit. And so I'm wondering is that is is that fairly typical for cities to use it as a secondary material rather than a primary material? It's it's hard to say. It depends on the city's values per their comprehensive plan. Ours is that we would prefer to see it as an accent use. Uh and then again, you know, considering cost, we we moved it up to secondary, but we would not want to see it as a principal use. So, so are you telling us in not so subtle terms that this is too much use

in this? [Laughter] Sorry, I hate to put you on the spot, but you know, I think we need to know. Yeah. No, I hear you. I got it. Okay. Um, another question was,

can I make a statement real fast? So, so, and I agree with Carlos. I think no matter what on the first floor there should not be ephus without some kind of wings coned stone or or fiber cement board or something that protects that building. No, no question about that. Um and I also think there's a difference in how you use ephus and if it's a just a flat panel, if you go to my house, I have ephus on it. It's just flat panel like that. That's a lot different. And if you break it up in different ways and do different things, it it could look a lot better than what the old Ephus looked at. So I just want to make sure everybody's kind of aware there's different ways to do it too as well.

Yeah. And Ephus again since the change of the code and making it secondary in 2012, the way you apply Ephus is has improved. It's just, you know, it is still subject to damage. So yes, I completely agree. first floor's gota we got to take care of the first floor. Um but yeah, I mean you can tell Steve and whoever he consulted with at Marriott and why I didn't think about Zoom and telling him he could make Zoom. That's on me. Um you know, they break it up. Again, what that green color is, I'm not sure. But again, it's meant to break the face up. The windows break the face up. But yes, let me see what I can do to enhance more fiber cement and clean up that first floor. Um, as far as sustainability, I'm going to give you somewhat of a gray area answer, but Marriott has requirements on sustainability. Whatever they require us to do, we will be doing. But I can tell you that a all the lighting in buildings now is LED, right?

Um, the building will be insulated to the current code, which is I don't know if I call that sustainability, but it's energy efficiency. will have the right materials in the roof for that type of um uh insulation. The and you can see this if it's hard to zoom in, but hotel rooms are generally heated and cool because there was a question earlier about rooftop units. The rooms are heated and cool what's called a PTAC unit. It's a through the wall unit. So, there won't be a whole lot of equipment on the roof. The units are actually mounted inside the walls um of the of the building. So, um, it's a lot of smaller air conditioners versus big loud ones on the roof. Um, and then, you know, other, you know, as far as sustainability goes, we have issues, um, that we have required to comply with with MSD as to bofiltration, which really is an entire project level issue. Um, so if you look at our, um, large basin on the corner, uh, and Carlos had the drone shot of it earlier, there's two stages there. So we're actually using their bofiltration requirements that includes sand and gravel and a certain type of material to filter the water and clean it if you will before it reaches the sto the storm system. Um the project itself has a master planned MSD approved uh detention system that includes underground and above ground basins. Um, so you know I can get I will get information on Marriott's sort of sustainability program um in what is used inside uh to furnish the hotel. So I'll get you that as well. Then um one of the questions that was asked was about um what happens between our property and I70. And so some of that has to do with what

we can work out with MDOT and there is an area where there are there's fencing along our property line and MDOT's property. So some of it is accessible, some of it is not. Is as you drive down 170 south of our project, you see a lot of times the overhanging trees hanging onto the highway because that's within their right ofway. There you go. So, you see the wall in the fence and there's a huge drop of a storm basically um um drainage ditch.

Drainage ditch was the word I was looking for. So, we unless they allow us, we can't maintain their property. Um we won't be maintaining our property. At the same time, from this cross-section, you can also see that the drainage ditch sits well below their wall. And we will be landscaping our side of that drainage ditch cuz I don't want our customers looking into a drainage ditch, nor do we want anybody falling into a drainage ditch. So, I've got to assess that once we get the ground cleared, determine if we need to put some sort of safety railing there or not. It's too I I have to move about 10,000 cubic yards of dirt off the site first and then once we get down to grade, we'll have a better handle on what the right application along that drainage ditch is. Um so that's a to be determined based on how the grading works out once we clear the lot. A lot has some of you have been on a long time, some of you haven't. Um a few things I want to mention. So about where the P is in the word proposed grade uh running north and south along the highway in between where our hotel building is going and the highway um MSD installed another rel public relief line. So for many years inv city there were issues with sewer backups. Two projects have been done since I started this project. The 82nd Street sewer and the Lindley extension. the Lindley extension. Carlos, can you go to sheet one? This one there.

Yep, that one. So, pretty much along So, if you see the dashed line, see where the fire lane is? See where it says fire lane 20 ft width? So, there's a dash line running north and south in the drive lane.

It's about there. It doesn't turn like it does on the drawing, but if you imagine it runs up the highway at about 28 ft of depth, um MSD put in a relief line. Lucky me, that's likely going to cause us to have to pier the hotel for stability because um that's going to drive our costs up because they put this relief line in to deal with flooding that was happening to the south of us. where the circle is in the um drawing is where the 35 kilovolt power lines are that we b we buried that used to cross the site. What's also happening there? So you see that sewer the line that goes underneath the highway where Carlos says the pointer right now east to west that is the sewer extension. So it comes from the north and from the south dumps in at about 30 ft of depth and heads underneath 170. So there's a lot going on utility wise in that area well below ground. So we're going to again once we scrape the site off I want to look at what's going on in that basin. And you can see again to the right of where it says fire lane that gap starts to open up between our property line and the roaded. Again that's mode property. If there's a way for us to maintain it I'm interested in maintaining it because I want it to look good for our property. I don't know if it's accessible yet. We'll have to figure that out once we get down to grade.

When will that be? Um, we're gonna hopefully start moving dirt in the next 60 days. We just we have about,00 truckloads of dirt to find a home for. So, if you can list off the options of what you're talking about, what would happen if depending on what you anticipate finding? Well, if you go back to the cross-section,

so depend I I believe that it at the end of our parking lot, there may be a precipitous drop. If that's the case, we're going to need to rail it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Carlos, can you go back to that the first page? is that f where is that fence on this page and on the property line for 170? So I believe it's the heavy black dash line which is our property line but I can't guarantee it from this drawing. So So right up against the fire lane, let's call it. That's where the That's our property line. That's where that fence is right on that.

I think I I'm not sure if there's a fence there. Right. It's hard to I haven't been back that far since we started back filling dirt. Yeah. And I've seen it from I was there earlier in in the development before the dirt started getting piled up. And for those online, if you can hold just a second because uh we'll we'll pick up some pictures here. Give give us one second here. Your drone may help with that. Well, and we were inducting. Yeah. Where is view? Not menu.

Oh, there we go. Sorry. Let's give it time. So, are you are you saying that the property line is not the two dash one long line that it's actually where the MSD line is? Is that what you were saying? The heavy black. So, the heavy black line should be the property line. Okay. The light dash line to the left of that. Yeah. That's where the approximate location of where that MSD relief line is. Okay. Got it.

On your new drawings, can you make sure you show those that that fence line and that wall that we're talking? Yeah. I need to I'll let me find the survey and not going to do one of these, right?

Yeah. Apologize. I mean, you'll hear me yelling at Jack. So, sorry. Uh, so I'll go back to that area. That's okay. Sorry. Here. And bear with me those online uh because you're probably not seeing anything yet. drone is flying today. There you go.

So, it won't let me get a a closer view, but as we walked along here, you there is a a drop in in elevation. We can't see We can't see it. Yeah. Share screen. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thanks, Petri. Mhm. Sorry. No, no. All right. Here. So, you can see the sign sign here and in there and here. I mean, as you get closer and further towards the south uh on the right hand corner, the lower right hand corner of the monitor there. It goes up a good 10 ft or so. I mean, it was

You say that that fence is 10 feet. Is that what you just said? Down here over here, uh, you have a retaining wall that's roughly about 10 feet in height before you get to the surface payment of the of the interstate. Uh, let me see if the other one bear with me. So, Greg, I'll be very interested to make sure that nobody can walk over into the highway, obviously. Really? Me, too. So, that's what I'm really getting at in this whole conversation. So, 100%. Right. Once

once we've got it down to grade, once we assess what's going on there, I I think you all know how I've been building stuff in this city for 20 years. We we will not allow there to be an unsafe condition. There are massive grade changes on this lot, as you know, and some of her happen within the same lot. that one. Okay. So, here here right here you can see the this collection here. This represents the north end of the hotel. It kind of aligns pretty close with these three here uh in there. And you can see the drop of the retaining wall of the uh the ramp there.

But as you go farther south, it in some areas it gets closer to highway grade. So highway's above, right? It comes up toward the highway. Yeah. Because remember it's some of that is the descension from the ramp going over olive and then coming back down and keeping the pavement up high on the highway. Yeah. It looks like as you get closer to the sign, you're almost it was close to grade or not. I do have pictures. Yeah. I I feel like that my my property sign that you're pointing at is actually above the roaded. That's what I remember

by like at least four or five feet. I may try my drone skills for the next meeting and bring in another video and we can look we can look at it more closely. But Tim to answer your question, we will ensure that there is not a safety condition which goes back to one of the other points which is I don't want pedestrians back there at night. There's there is no valid reason someone should be back there period. So okay. So, we covered 170. We talked about lighting plan. We talked to I'll get you some stuff on sustainability. I'm going to look at uh with our team on the materials and certainly without question beefing up uh the east side. We talked about the patio. We talked about the pedestrian plan. Talked about controlling the lighting. Um and again, the Carlos mentioned this earlier. We have a maximum fixture height allowed under the master development ordinance. That said, for this parking lot, if that height is used, I see that predominantly being used on the east side where the majority of the parking is. Again, we're not going to flood our neighbors with lights. There's not a lot of reason to have we need safe parking lighting on the northwest corner of the lot. It will not be

but the courtyard what kind of lighting you're going to have for that. There'll be some Yeah. Yeah. light that is. Yeah. But we're not again we're not looking at light cannons. We're looking at decorative sconces that will not cast light at the homes. So, u but again I'll get I'll get you more detail on that as well. Your your main entrance, you know, if you look at the cross or the the east view. Yeah. can't really see it, but I'm sure it's just the way that it's just deceptive, right? It's the deceptive view of the colors because if you look at the top down that you're looking at, yeah, it's pretty pronounced that

Yeah, there's a portico there. So, one thing that I had trouble with that and I went back and forth and Carlos with this trouble from a engineering standpoint to get a cross-section of this building to get you guys a cross-section where my civil kept cutting the building from one of the patios of elevation of the neighbor to the west and Stonley. If if you cut it at an angle, it totally distorts what the built where the building mass. So, this Yeah, here we go. So we kept having to re he kept having to recut the elev the cross-section because it made it look like like the portico you can see that sticks out but that's not mass

right he just I had him draw to the extent and that's why I had him label portico there's not mass that far to the east and therefore not as much mass to the west it's the maximum extent I had him cut the thickest section so it doesn't mean that the mass of that building runs that width on all sides. So, I just want to, you know, it when you're when you have a building on an angle and you're shooting a a cross-section at an angle, you get some mathematical distortion. So, um, other than that, I mean, I I I'm happy to answer more questions. I I think I covered all the topics that were on the list on the screen that you talked about, but if I missed any, I'm happy to answer those.

I got a one other couple of things. Uh, parking. How you doing on parking? What's required? what's needed.

So, parking wise, right now, I think there's about 60 some odd spaces shown on the drawing. We are planning as with our overall project, we have a cross parking agreement between pretty much all of the lots. So, we have, for example, about 30, I think it's 32 public spaces on the first floor of the Clover Garage. that is meant as overflow for either Aldi or the tenants in lot three or the sitdown restaurants or the hotel. And so as we develop those two restaurants I have waiting for a lease for the first one once we set that one really the a number of factors but I think primarily the parking is going to dictate the size of the second restaurant. um because we have to watch how much total parking we have available in the industry hotel-wise. Um they are moving toward.7 spaces per room which would be about a 100 spaces given our proximity to the airport and Clayton. It is my personal belief and again we're going to do what you all require and what Marriott requires and Marriott's probably going to require more than you all do. I believe this is going to be a highly Ubered and lifted facility and not going to have a ton of cars. At the same time, we have to make sure that in the case we're wrong, we have enough parking. So, as of right now, we've got it's there you go. 65 spaces on the lot and 65 will be provided cross uh and cross parking to the lots to the north. Again, do I think we'll use them all? I don't.

Right. I don't at all. Right. But safety first and you know you got a few for employees. Um I know I would like to see kind of some cross-sections that are to scale you know rather than that 2 to one you know. Uh so that's the so that was that's the challenge is given the height and given the distance yeah that drawing becomes un illeible on a PDF just something we could see it you know uh

what chairman and I think it was something I was going to comment on you know the appreciate what the engineer did doing the full site but I think what what isn't well articulated and and it's hard to to visualize is is just sections the building's there we know that the building's wall, so you don't have to run it all the way across the building. But if we could get about three along here and three, you know, along here up to the building, you know, it it it's so so just so we can see. You mean from west? I'm just I'm lost at what because the mouse keeps moving. Just tell me could you one of you mark up a show like take and just email it to me. Yes.

Just show me what you want and I'll give it to the engineer down. We did something similar with the development across the street where we asked them to do multiple cross-sections uh to kind of give a visual illustration especially those that are nearby uh in there and in this case you know the concerns regarding 170 and and and that wall I mean it it it's kind of a it's going to be a unique space you know. Oh, you mean because in the area of it's pretty much where that circle is, right? Again, and you have to understand, do you have the top down of where this cross-section goes through? If not, I can I've got it, too.

I may have it in from the old plant set. Hold on one second. There it is. Yes, that's it. I think that's the F crosssection. Bear with me one second because I'm No, that's all right. That's the old one, but it it was right around this is the the cut that is that the cut from the current drawing. Mhm. Okay. Yeah,

the layout's kind of changed a bit, but this kind of reflected where that cut. And again, I appreciate that they gave the full cut, but what I'm we're looking for is from here to here, from here to here, from here to here, and then from here to here, from here to here, from here to here. Oh, okay. Yeah. Again, these were the cross-section types that we used for the master development plan originally, so that's why I went with those. But yeah, if you want that's if you whatever. No problem. Is there any way we can get an idea of what it's going to look like from the residents, you know, uh like a rendering or rough rendering, you know, things like that.

Rendering of what I mean, you know, they're on the back back porch what it's going to look like. So, if you look at the cross-section, it really depends where they stand. It's which house where they So, this is where it gets complicated on the angle. It depends which house where they stand and what direction they're looking. So, you know, as you can see in this one, and it's hard. There you go. So, for this particular house, if they looking straight ac straight out, like if I'm looking at you, you will see the hotel above your head. Yeah. If you look up, you'll see the hotel, right? So, that's what I want to say.

I mean, I getting a perspective 3D model of that is going to be I don't know how we're going to do that. I don't know. And then there's a wall there, right? I mean, there's a wall there. There's an 8ft fence there. Yes. You know, the closer the resident gets to the backyard, the less they're going to see. The farther away they are, they're going to see it, right? But I I don't know how I can produce unless I you know producing perspective views of a 3D model from each person's home. I mean is it doable? Sure. It cost me 25,000 bucks in 3D modeling time. I don't want to do that.

Yeah. That's not Yeah. So that's I I I don't know how to get you what you're looking for. Well, see if there's an easy way to do it to to get get that idea to see so we can see from each house at least one the one direct you know directly behind us you know um I would love to get all three you know if possible if you can find a dirty way I'll see if there's a way we can do it yeah because but here's my concern right if I do it it's computeren generated, right? If it's computerenerated and it turns out not to be accurate, I I want to I'll if I can do it, I will deliver it with the caveat. It might not be right.

Right. Because what I don't want is to anybody to think that I misled and said this is exactly what's going to happen. Right. So that's that's where I get concerned is basically I mean they're they're freebie software so you can kind of impose it just to get an idea. Well, you again you can kind of do it, but I that where my concern is is I don't want to represent something I can't guarantee is 100% accurate.

You can't. Yeah. Apparently, they block Google Street so you can't get a good view. But that would be Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I I think what you can take, at least from my persp they they see one less story, give or take, but to my knowledge, the only complaints we've received from the north side of Stoneley involve the one parking lot light on the north side of the garage. I've not been made aware of any visual complaints, any noise complaints, any lighting complaints. Again, save that one issue. So again, my concern with computer generating something. But here, this is there you go. So in this C portion, right, the hotel is going to be down near the grade of the highway. And what you can also see there is that tree canopy is almost visually impenetrable.

That's kind of what I'm trying to get at, right? you know, is kind of how that tree canopy affects the view and, you know, stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, I I could what I what I can see if my guys can do this, this will require permission. We'll need to go into the backyards of people's homes and take photos looking east toward the site if that's doable. But, you know, I'm not going to go trespass on people's backyards to take photos. Yeah. trespass. But we could we could see if that's I'll see if I I'll see if it's doable with a degree of certainty again. Yeah. Yeah. Right. We want it accurate.

And I think there there's only four houses directly behind the property. Of those four, three are within that footprint, right? And there and I I think there's somebody here that uh would have the the concern that would be willing to offer Yeah. uh the ability to take a picture from back there. Yeah. Again, I'll Okay. I'll call Mark, get in his backyard, get some photos, and I think it was Mark that said it was That was you, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And again, I'll give it to my 3D guys and say, "Can this be done with a degree of certainty that it's reasonably accurate, right? That's all I'm worried about." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't want to get beat up in a year and say, "You this is not what you know."

I I get it. Okay. What else? I don't think I have anything else. Uh, anybody else on the commission have anything? Brian, do you want to interject based on your past knowledge of of this project? Not at this time. As Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks. I got I got um the HVAC in the room. Are you going to be able to see that from the outside? It the So, you can see a a metal grate. Okay. Right. It's a perforated great. I'd love to see the room a picture of somebody's room with it on the outside of

Carlos. If you go to Google Earth and just go to the courtyard on Hanley, you can see you can see what I'm talking about. Bear with me one second for those online. Just so instead of doing it later, we can knock it out right now. You can see what we're talking about. Yeah. And speaking of Google Zoom, we're definitely going to be interested in what you're going to do to separate the highway from you because that was just a guard rail that was on the south portion of it. Right. Again, that's that's I got to look at where our property line is and what mode I will let me do.

But we'll be very interested in that obviously. See, they look like you see those rectangular horizontal vents, not the square one. The square one is an exhaust vent, probably for a um laundry room, but the below all the windows. That's what they are. Blower to the side of the windows. That those are those are the PTAC units. Is that covered in ephus? No, those are those are cement. No, those are probably metal grates actually. That No, I'm talking about the facade. The facade. Oh, that's that's ephus.

I just don't like that color scheme. Can you show those on the on the draw? They're on the drawing. If you if you look at the if you look at the rendering on Ptech, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, if you look at page the the elevation page. Yeah. You can see them. They're there. I didn't see them. Yeah, they're very I got it because we're trying to make them blend into the wall because we don't want to call them out. But they're they're all there. Yeah. But that's what those that's what they are. They're effectively air grills. You had two things. No, the other one was the

the highway. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's it's I need to talk to MDOT. You know, when we did when we made the deal for the detention basin, um we agreed to extend our fencing, I agreed to cut the you know, the the space between our basin and the on-ramp. Mhm. Is MDOT, that hill. Okay. As part of our lot three development, I'm having irrigation lines run there because we're going to m I don't want to wait for the mod grass trucks to come cut that hill in front of my basin. So, we're going to water it and we're going to cut it. So, I'm not looking for that to continue right what they've been doing. Cool. Okay. Thank you. You got it.

Appreciate it. Sure. Okay. At this point in time, we'll take on some public comments that are related to this agenda item. Yeah. Come on. You're You're up. As a reminder, um, make sure the mic's on, which it is, and state your name and address for the record.

Hello, Mark Minton. I'm 115 Stonely Towers, and I'm also a trustee of Stonley Towers neighborhood. Um, guys, thanks for all you're doing. This is tough work trying to hold development of this scale to rules that we have in place. Appreciate all your efforts. Um, first off, thank you for addressing the light spillover. Uh, we did bring that to attention about four month or uh, six months ago now, April 4th. Thank you for the help. Um, there haven't been a lot of complaints because we did, uh, we did address our complaints before the development and that's when we spoke our mind. We're not We have great neighbors. Everybody's a really good part of this community. So, there haven't been a lot of complaints. We have wonderful neighbors from the Clover that uh, walk through a neighborhood. It's been great. Um, I do want to share a few things with you guys. The the plastic wall that's the barrier between the commercial development, the real and the residential development, that's built on a railroad. So, there used to be a railroad that went there and the railroad was built up. And so, the ground is being built up quite a bit to get to the new ground level that the hotel is going to built on. That's a bit frustrating for the neighbors to digest, but it's what the plan is. the um I want to talk a little bit about the changes from September of 2019 when this got approved and where we are now. There was going to be a six-story office building next to this and so aesthetically it all kind of fit. If we're not going to have that six-story office building, we're going to have a big hotel. And we spent a lot of time talking about the visibility of this is the entryette. I would just ask you to take a step back and say, is is this still what we want? Does this does this fit? Then the other thing I want to bring to you guys attention, I brought some sheets for you.

This uh this is from the preliminary work that was provided in 2019. There were tons of trees that were going to buffer this development from the residential neighborhood. I don't see anything in the plant. My question is what happened to the trees,

right? So the there are a bunch of trees in Stonley towers in our backyards. My house is one of them. Most of the trees are locust trees that are beyond life expectancy and they're falling. They're dying. So that buffer is not going to be there forever. And as I told you earlier, it's a railroad. I can't plant evergreens. They're not going to live there. So I can't protect myself. Need you guys to help. Second page that was given talk about trees in your in your initial proposals back in 2019. You're going to have required 6,392 landscape units. The actual proposed was 11,000. Guys, we're falling short. I don't I don't see how we're Please don't skip this stuff is what I'm asking.

Cuz uh the evergreens are very important. When you have window units, that's noise, right? There is a purpose for a proper buffer of this of this type of project. You kind of I'm over. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Thanks a lot. app. Something else that you want to just quickly add, I'd be more than happy. All right, good. Anyone else in the audience? No. Okay. Chairman, there are a couple of residents online. I don't know if anybody would like to speak, but if you could show your uh raise your hand uh regarding the uh all of crossing lot six development. Going once, going twice. All right, chairman.

All right. Well, thank thanks for the comments. Appreciate it. Um maybe if we can get some updated landscaping, you know, plants. Yeah. Yeah. I always have to lower the microphone.

Um yes, we are I will get you a landscape plan that's it's not completed yet. Um, but that'll come in there. We will be for a number of reasons heavily landscaping. One, it's required. Two, we try to be good neighbors. Three, Marriott requires it. Um, so yeah, the a hearty landscape plan is coming just as um the landscaping started to be installed on lot three, which I think you're you're going to be happy with. So, and maybe what am I dodging? I said there's going to be a landscape plan. We're going to meet the recordings.

Let's not stop. Let's let's let's um we're getting side conversations. They're not recorded. So, we we got to be careful with that. Okay. So, as I said, I will be providing a detailed landscaping plan that will meet or exceed

at least meet the requirements of the city of Alvette. We very lovely as all of my landscaping is at Price Crossing and at lot three. Aldi controlled theirs. Clover has great landscaping. You know, I I'll end with just one sort of comment. Once we get this hotel done and we get the two restaurants done and factoring Price Crossing, Price Crossing and Olive Crossing will represent about $130 million of development in the city of Alvette. And I say that because I'm really excited that I could make this happen in our city. I live here. You hear me say this all the time. I've lived here for over 30 years. One of the greatest things I see is when people call me and they say, "I drove past your building today. That new retail building looks awesome. When are the restaurants going to open?" Right. I was impressed with how Carlos showed in the video, the screen wall we did with the Olive Crossing letters. I actually was wowed by how well that came out. You know, it's a heavy gauge metal. It's going to last forever. Um there's going to be a fountain behind it. It's going to have lights in it that we can maybe even I'm getting a DMX controller so we can maybe when the Blues are winning we can make it blue and the Cardinals are winning we can Right. We're putting in the extras to make everybody in this city proud and generate amazing amounts of sales tax and property tax for this city. So,

we're getting close to the finish line. Took way longer than I anticipated. Um, but yes, there will be a very nice landscape plan for the courtyard. Okay. And I would love just to, you know, if you can compare and take a look at this. So, I'm not sure what that is. It's it's um uh Mark, if you don't mind coming up to the dis and so in 2019, that's what you shared with us. See all those trees you were going to put there? There's your scale. This is what you told us you were going to do. That's what's required. That's if you could get closer to the mic. Sure.

Yeah. I'm I'm not questioning the integrity of his landscape. Landscaping is beautiful. What I'm talking about is the buffers. Um it's very unique to introduce a hotel to a community. He got his approval by saying all the right things and now he's not fulfilling on everything he said six years ago. Well, and that's very different story. Well, we'll take a look take a look at what he's he's I appreciate. Yes. I So, I'm looking at this drawing.

Yeah. And I I I'll make a couple of comments. Number one, in this drawing, the hotel building is substantially closer to the property line. We are much farther away now. Number two, this was a five-story hotel in 2019 and is now a four-story hotel. It's less mass. It is smaller and it has a different This is a figure seven configuration. I actually have more room along the barrier to put like we haven't actually delivered a landscape plan to compare this to. That's what I would like to do. Let's get apples and apples. Let's kind of see what's been done. Let's and make sure we're like I said, we'll do it.

You guys can see though there's no space for an evergreen tree in that design. It's We'll take a look. Let's reserve judgment until we actually see the landscape plan. Your comments have been noted, both of you. I heard you. Appreciate it. Thank you. There you go. And with regard to this eyes, the the lights you've had your opportunity to speak. I appreciate it. I just have to take it. I'll take it. Thank you. All right. Good. Good. Good. Okay. Thanks everybody for the comments um and the presentation and uh you got kind of the list of things that you want to take that we're going to need. So, I appreciate it. What's that?

Yes. Yes. Yes. and Carlos is going to get you some uh locations of the crosssections. And is there anything else that you guys We just want to make sure we're trying to stay in in a schedule that's, you know, amanable both to the city and and the developer. The next meeting, I believe, is November 6. Uh, you know, we would like to have an opportunity to post anything that's revised, you know, so the community has an opportunity to see it at least a week prior uh to that schedule. So, uh, you know, keep us posted. let me know on uh on that. As we get closer to the holiday season, it becomes difficult to ensure that you know we can keep a consistency on those meeting dates uh in there. So,

all right. Good, good, good. All right. Thank you. All right. I know this is went that went longer than we needed, but that's sometimes the way things go. So, we'll move on now to item B, and this is 820 North Price Road. Jack, stretch your legs. Feels like forever since I've been up here. Welcome back or well have good evening again commission before you tonight again is 820 North Price. You guys may be familiar with this project cuz it had been ear before you earlier. However, this serves as a whole new submission entirely. Um, so before you is the proposed accessory structure project for 820 North Price with a detached garage that is about 969 ft, a pool that is counted at half at 139 ft, pool decking that's at 130 ft, and a covered walkway where we're going to get clarification from the petitioner if they're still going down the route with the solar panels. I know that the walkway size has actually been decreased, so it may not be able to accommodate the panels. However, the walkway is still part of the project. We just want to get the clarification from the petitioner. Um, just to clarify this, the accessory structures that are shown there in green are permitted by code administratively. That's not something that we would act on. Um, you got, we're solely here for this detached garage. Now, um, regarding the commission discussion items, we're going to talk about, um, you know, the garage is in excess of area. It's over the 600 square feet, which would be allowed on a lot that is between 10,000 and 20,000 square feet. Um 820 north price is roughly 15,000 15,752 ft. So it falls between that 10,000 and 20,000 limit. Um also the height of the structure, it's in excess of that 15 uh feet height that's allowed for detached garage structures. However, it still sits below, you know, the building

residential building height limit as well as um we just the placement of the enclosed accessory structure. We do have something in the code that states about sideyards and it's not the setback, but a garage or detached structure can only be set, you know, a maximum of 5t off of the elevation of the home. But, but then when it exceeds that, then it has to come to the commission for review. So, it's probably it's roughly about 10.7 something ft off of the northern elevation of the home. Um, but does not extend at all into the sideyard setback. They're all they all fit the setback requirements here for this project. Um, regarding community design review, um, we think that from a staff's perspective, the guidelines were addressed through the design of this project. So there were no concerns that came up with the massing just because now you can see that this um garage that houses the second story living unit up top has been decreased in height and the roofs have been lowered to kind of incorporate that second story into the structure. Um so in regards to those design guidelines during the review there was nothing that came out of those concern or those guidelines that were uh not addressed from staff's perspective. It seems like through the design and the architecture for this project, those guidelines were addressed. Um, also regarding tree preservation, no trees are noted on the lot to be removed. So that's why you do not have an arburous report for the size of the scale of this project. There's no trees deemed to be removed in this project. Oh, Carlos, is it

you should have control.

Okay, I'm going to try it now. Let me just Okay. Okay, sweet. So then we're going to go down to the storm water management side of this. So then what is proposed on the site? So there's a rear yard dry well system, dry well flow well system that's actually along the uh northern property line behind the proposed garage that will actually discharge um roughly near the rear setback line. Just to clarify, this picture is of the rear setback line. The property does have about 57 more feet to the west of it for their property line. Um they are also in uh adding an NDS duros slope trench drain um that's going to be on the driveway which will kick up pick up the flat work from the pool and all of the garage will be pumped into that flow well there and discharge towards the southwest. Um the drain for the driveway and pool will actually discharge just a little uh west of that storm water. Oh, sorry. Just a little east of that. My fault. Just a little east of that um flow well. However, the grade naturally just goes downhill in that area. So, the water should just continue sloping back to their um large backyard in terms of and then sorry in that diagram that's right below the storm water diagram. You can see I tried to take measurements from county but today their measurement tool was not working. So, roughly I did it based off of the site plan that was provided and you can see that there's rough that's roughly where that rear yard setback line is. However, where that yellow arrow extends, that's still their rear yard. In relations to site plan review, so we've had to take the garage before the commission because it exceeds the area. It exceeds that 600 ft that's permitted. That is the 600 ft of the footprint of the garage and that's how it is counted through code. Um that 6 969

square ft is lower than the house square footage. Um, in relation to the height, you can see that this was a discussion that we had with the commission before. What has been done now is it shows on the cross-section that that height is roughly I want to say I have the exact numbers. I just can't read it from here. Yes. So, but then they the house is set at a different elevation. So, the house is set at uh roughly 608 and where this garage is going to be placed is at 606. So, it's going down. So if they were at the same elevation, it's probably a less than foot less than a foot height difference, but where that's placed on the lot, there's about a 2 foot 11 in difference between those two heights of the buildings. Um, I want to also say that we should host or have uh encourage the discussion about subordinate. Um, just to clarify, the garage off of Watsonia, Carlos and I were doing some research and that's was approved by the commission within like a 90%, you know, difference. So, it was pretty close. And if you're going off of 90% was that how does that fit within subordinate?

90% of what? It's Carlos, how would you describe it? It was about 90% of the height of the principal structure. But in terms of the elevation difference between the Yeah, there was a significant elevation. But if you were to measure the height with you, but that's where kind of the site plan, you know, where it, you know, sits lower, you know, definitely makes it makes a difference. Yes. But we're from a staff's perspective with the um I understand you know just the different elevations just to take that into account when doing the review here.

Um also we've provided you with a property calculation table. This property calculation table gives you um the different square footages. The ones that are kind of a little you know peach orange colored. That's the only one that does not you know suffice for the administrative approval which is that garage. Um I do ask the petitioner the one condition of approval was that we just tidy up the uh numbers based on accessory structure square footages. It's roughly um you know they're roughly uh uniform throughout the plans. However, there's one site plan that depicts it to be you know their max coverage that is allowed um is 1,575.2 ft on their lot to have it for accessory structures. With the numbers that I was given by the architect, they're roughly 75 ft below that. They're fine. Um, but the numbers on a different plan, which was a plan that we got prior to the revisions, so it may just not have been addressed during the revisions, um, show that it actually is only a two foot square foot difference, but they're below still. So, they're below the cap, the maximum cap. We just want to clarify that. So, it's either, you know, 75 ft or 2 feet, but we'll get that clarified prior to or as a condition of approval. But I just want to note that to the commission that for any future tenant or something down the line with these accessory structures in place, there's not a lot of additional square footage to accommodate additional structures or flatwork on the site based off of the percentages that we've calculated. Um, is this all I have for this? Okay. Um, I can answer any questions regarded the garage or any additional accessory structures as well as um the petitioner is present in today too. any questions amongst the commission Petri and

um I I mean I think that they've done a great job of addressing our aesthetic concerns and again I I think it bears reminding that if they wanted to do an addition a much larger addition to accommodate more square footage they had that right. So, this is to me a good alternative to that. Um, and I think that that should be taken into consideration. If they were proposing an addition, they could have made a much bigger additions um to the original structure. I think they've done a good job of addressing our aesthetic concerns and um I'm I'm glad they took you know that information and Carlos worked with them and it was it was you know they heard

right that's all I had to say. Right. Okay. Anything else that we that should be noted anyone? Seeing none appreciate it. We'll hear from the petitioner. Thank you. Thank you J. Yeah.

Hello again. Good evening. I'm Ilia Adelman of uh 820 North Price Road. Um I did hear a question about the solar panels. Um to clarify, we did shrink the length of the covered walkway. Uh, and in doing so, we also brought the accessory structure significantly closer to the main structure as well as out of the shade of those trees in the backyard. Um, so at this point, we are planning to put some of the panels still on the walkway and some of the panels on the uh actual uh garage structure itself. Um, these will all be flat mounted. They're all black. they will be not too distinguishable from the roof uh from the architectural tiles on the roof.

Um so that's the plan for the solar panels. Okay. Okay. Anything else you want to go over kind of like highlighting the differences of what was what was done kind of where

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Um, so we did submit a a project report um to go along with this and I believe you pro you guys probably have copies of that. Um, where we went over in detail um what what we heard uh as the feedback. Um, we heard feedback from neighbors. We had heard feedback from the commission. Um, we then uh went back to the drawing board and uh also met with Jack and Carlos uh to really get some solid uh guidance on how to uh best address the concerns that were brought up. And the primary concerns were the subordinate nature of the structure. And you know really the the the main gist of it was we needed to uh incorporate the living space into the roof structure rather than having a full uh second story which as you can see we we did that here. Um we also tried to uh again minimize the impact of the site by moving the structure closer to have the the two structures closer together. And also as you can see in the uh revised rendering in the bottom right hand corner of the screen to make the structure less visible from from the street and again this is like kind of the maximum angle you can see it from. Um so uh we tried to address that as well. Again you'll see materials are consistent. So the subordinate structure will look exactly the same using the same hardy board uh material and white accents uh that the main house uses. Um, we uh reduced the overall glazing uh on the on the structure. We also addressed um some of the concerns about visibility into the neighbor's yard by removing the large windows from the um south facing uh wall of of the structure. There's now only one I believe. Yeah, there's the there's the one window the one small window uh on the on the south facing wall. Um we also highlighted again the subordinate nature of the structure. So this is only 900 uh square feet of

living space as opposed to the 1500 of the house. Um you know uh the footprint is significantly smaller and uh the you know the the first floor is a garage which by definition is is subordinate function right. um we have a one-bedroom uh small one-bedroom apartment whereas we have a three-bedroom, two bath house. Um so, uh again to highlight that that subordinate nature there. Um I think that's that's all I have to say as far as kind of what was done to address the concerns that we heard and I'm happy to answer any questions you might you might have. Any commission members have any questions for the petitioner? No, I think you're good. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Okay. At this time, we'd like to ask if there's any general or any comments, public comments related to this agenda. Yeah. All right.

Hi everyone. Good to see everybody again. Um Tim Helman, 800 North Price, uh south of the property. Um so, three things that I'll bring up. One is uh the new design structure is much more aesthetically pleasing. It's much more in keeping with the architectural uh design of the house, the aesthetic of the primary home. It's it's great. Uh we appreciate the change from the full two-story structure to one that's more in keeping one one and a half structure. And I recognize the footprint is about 300 ft smaller. Um that's slightly smaller than the previous iterations. Actually, I don't know if it's 300. Um we're also grateful that design has been has been turned and moved further away from the property line. That's great. uh and this helps to minimize the sense of the structure uh feeling like it's towering over our backyard and garden area. Two concerns, one's specific, one's more general. First concern regards storm water, which was uh uh the visual was up there, still is now right right now. Um there are currently three downspouts coming off of the uh current property. The the house uh that discharged to the north and quickly flow into our property. You can see from the topography on the drawings that our property is at a lower elevation than 820. And so the water naturally flows from 820 into our property. Um we have a large vegetable garden and fruit garden that sits directly on the other side of the fence. And and we're concerned about runoff. Um specifically pool runoff into the garden area, whether it's a saltwater pool or chlorine pool. If that p we're supposed to get like 3 in of rain this weekend, so it's it is a possibility, but if any of that overflows, then uh chlorinated water or salt water uh does not mix with gardens. And so we would ask uh that that be taken into consideration. Um just one small note on that, we'd ask that the storm water drain that empties if it would discharge a little further north onto the property. Uh just a a note. And the second concern is one more general.

Um, and I think the the question in front of the PCDC is are we are we ready and open to to opening the door to ADUs? There is precedent for a second story. It came out in those um oh gosh, what do you guys call it? The meeting notes, whatever you post online under the agenda. Uh there is precedent for a second story garage at Watsonia, but that's that's unequivocally I think that's not the same thing. The Watsonia property is a game room. It is not a a full apartment. It does not have a kitchen. It does not have a bathroom. It does not have a living space. It does not have a bedroom. It's different. Um, and so if the structure were to be approved, then I I think I think the question, guys, is this is a different precedent. This is a new president. And I think the question for the PCDC is, are we ready to to open the door to two detached living units in one on one lot?

Thanks. Thanks for your comments. All right. Go ahead, Jack. And that was something that we did discuss internally um about the storm water. So, we'll just bring that up regarding um the location of that low bottom right cleanout just kind of you know being a little closer to the property line and we don't know if that's something that was from the commit from the engineer, but I it could be something that you know they might consider to move north of the or farther away from that property line. Gotcha. Gotcha. What about the pool? But we don't have the drainage plans for the pool or

so. My understanding is the flat work is going to go into that driveway drain that's there and then it will just be piped to that pop-up emitter that's a north or you know to the east but also again I think the pool is out of the question because it would be approved administratively based on the size but we would have to look at it. Yeah, it's something I mean g given the concerns we can ask when the pole company submits the uh the the the process they do for that. Uh we we just had a new one uh on Stacy Drive in which uh the systems are now controlled so they never overflow because there's like some it's a auto trough they have. They have this new system that they have this auto trough in it where the water if it will get to a certain level will fall into this auto trough and then they're actually doing that piping to the same detention. Okay.

So, they're doing this way and I the guy from bystate pools can describe it way better than I can, but um you're given the it's some way of not allowing the pool to overflow because the concerns with the neighbor at that time was that they have an older pool that does actually overflow and that this newer pool that is proposed is having these, you know, updated systems that now can accommodate for that heavier rain to then take into that auto trough. So, it shouldn't realistically that pool that's proposed should not ever overflow, right? and the house gutter if if you know since you're doing all this work is there any way something that could be done if there's you know an impact to the adjacent neighbor that we can get that addressed within this scope or

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Good.

Okay. One of the things on the if I can address on the accessory dwelling units because it's a it's a very good question and something that's posed and I think it's something that the commission uh not only in our comprehensive plan update uh but we also have it on our list of accessessory items to to discuss. Right now there is no definition of ADU or accessory dwelling units um in our zoning code. Um and there and the reason there's not is because a majority of these properties are zoned single family residential. Uh we have several properties throughout the community where there are attached or detached separate units. Uh but they're all governed that they they all have to be occupied by the same family. If they're not, they're in violation of our code. That is not permitted. Uh that is a full violation and there's a process in terms of violations and and how they go. Um we understand the concerns about um you know renting a flat or Airbnbs. I mean it's becoming very prevalent uh throughout here. We have three that we're constantly monitoring and trying to to you know get get corrected every every time and now you can even rent a pool it looks like and people are renting pools uh in our community. Uh so we're trying to address those from the administrative processor and and through our policing powers uh in there. But this property is owned single family residential. It is only intended for a single family. Uh in there a single family has to be bloodreated for the most part. Uh in there you could have uh you know an acquaintance there or a partner that that could could live there you know in there. The primary question I think more for the petitioner is what is your proposed use of the the the sleeping quarters above the garage?

Yes. Please go ahead. Yeah. So um I think we we discussed this uh at the previous meetings. Um ultimately um you know my my parents are aging and um that is the ultimate goal here. Um and the the other use would be you know my wife's uh family lives out of town her mother comes to visit for uh two three months at a time that is her living quarters. So that is the the ultimate use of that of that space.

Very good. Thank you. And I think then from there, you know, the city does have the to have this discussion of our comprehensive plan kind of promotes the use of independent accessory dwelling units from the principal structure. So, somebody could lease it out or rent it uh in there. But there's a balance and I think we need to, you know, narrow down and find out what type of regulations we would want in place and whether we would permit them. Just because a comprehensive plan says that this is an option to attainable housing doesn't necessarily mean that the community or the commission has to adopt it. Right. Go ahead.

And I think following up and something I'll talk about later in my staff report, but is this is an area that I know is still gray. So like right now it's permissible, but you know I know there's been challenges on this board before and when I was there. So, I think it's something that if this if we got guidance from PCDC or an opinion, you know, we can take it out in city council to discuss to provide this is how we feel about it and then maybe legislation could be passed one way or the other. But I think right now to your point, it's, you know, a little little murky

and at this point and the Jack did a good job of pursuing the the utilities. It's under the same water line. It has the same sanitary, you know, uh, private lateral connection. uh electrical is a little harder to to control or or see how that's going to be done, but we can have the follow-ups on that process. Didn't we wasn't this addressed in our comprehensive plan where we talked to the public about it too, got some input? There was some input about having, you know, independent accessory dwelling units uh as a means to address attainable housing. Yeah, I thought it was positive in favor.

Correct. Yeah. I think that's I think that's the point that we're missing here is that is that we're not, you know, as a as a community, you know, think nothing of tearing down a singlestory house that could house, you know, seniors easily. Um, putting up McMansions left and right, and yet we have a problem with an ADU with one bedroom. I mean, I I find the the contrast really striking. And again, if they wanted to attach this to their primary resident, there would be nothing we could do to stop that, assuming that they would make it look, you know, like the the rest of the house. But, you know, I and I realize that it's a touchy subject, but there are twotory ADUs in this community. And we have to rely on the petitioner to tell us the truth. Are they only having blood relatives? They said yes. we don't have any basis to suggest that there's anything other than that. Um and so I think you know maybe council needs to hear from us um on this but they made it very clear they want some affordability in this scheme of our comprehensive plan and it's becoming untenable to live here at anything other than a very wellto-do family. And so this is a way that we can add affordability. Even if they're blood relatives, they probably going to pay rent. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it's their college students. I don't know. But we can't just sweep under the rug when we don't like an ADU and say, "Oh, well, you know, it really isn't clear in the comprehensive plan." I think it's crystal clear. they we want to have some affordability here and we're slowly chipping away at anything that's affordable by tearing down houses

that are perfectly fine for seniors and for firsttime families and putting up these McMansions that are cost prohibitive to most people. So, I just wanted on the record that I think this is great that they've done an ADU. I'm glad that it's one bedroom and that a person can live in there that's related to them. I'm I'm hoping that someday I'll be able to live in the backyard and my kids have my house, but you know, I do think that we have to make our position clear. I know not everybody agrees and that's fine, but our comprehensive plan does cover this.

Yeah. Well, and that's the point was just to kind of highlight what we've already looked at, you know, researched what the opinion was of the city residents, you know. Um but it is something new you know and so I do I do think it's worthwhile you know to reflect upon it reflect upon what's been done already and is it the right thing to do you you know so I I don't think that whether it's right or wrong we don't have anything in our code that says it's wrong

I'm not talking about particular issue I'm talking about in general for the future of ADUs you know um But ju just because we have something in the books doesn't mean it it can't change you you know um we need to you know that's the problem with uh with any regulation or things there's unintended consequences and if there are unintended consequences that are identified then we need to change the the regulations you know but I do think this is probably a discussion for a later time to kind of go more into detail you know with that and what's been done where it's been done, how's it been done, how do the adjacent neighbors feel about it, you know, and stuff like that. There's always a fear of the unknown anytime you're doing something new. Go ahead.

And I want to separate, you know, convers and agree we need to go much more detail because we need to separate conversations around ADUs as a whole, which comprehensive plan ADUs at a certain structure size, which is a different conversation. Um, and I agree with Petri that if someone's saying this is the way it's going to be and this is how I'm gonna have someone live there, we have no reason not to believe otherwise, right? You know, at that point. So comprehensive plan does want accessible uh housing does want all that to be done. Um it's gray area in terms of sides and other things now. But I think again that's one of the things I'll seek council I'll seek uh you know PCD feedback to city council and we'll kind of go from there. Good. Good.

And if I can just add one more from a planner comment on on it because we have several ADUs in there. There's one in Oka states that uh that's that's been there and and it's come before the commission and it's a completely separated uh dwelling unit from the primary residence and they have a front door right by the front door to the primary house and the in-laws live right right there next door. the the the the code does not prohibit ADUs, nor does it address it because under our zoning, single family residential, it is permitted. The the the aspect of the the comprehensive plan in which it's addressing is would we allow multifamily use on a single family property? And we don't have the regulations in place, nor do we permit it at this point. And that's the discussion that has to to happen. Will the city allow multiple families to live on one parcel? And that that is going to be difficult. I I it's especially when you have a suburban community that's primarily single family and given the type of subdivisions we have and it'll be an interesting discussion, but given that we have no extra land and if we do want to make housing attainable, um would the city consider multif family use on single family property? That's what the ADU would be about. Right. So, so Carlos, based on what you've described right now, the use is fairly restricted already based on what we have. So, I mean to me looking at this, it's a matter of aesthetics then. I'm not as so concerned about the use. I mean, I'm I have no doubt that it's going to be used for uh uh family purposes based on what the petitioner said. You can sell the house tomorrow though and the next person that moves in there is not beholden to that. But what they are beholden to is the restrictions that you talked about. It would still need to be a single family as as it's defined in it. Um from an aesthetic standpoint, I

much prefer the design that we've seen. I think it looks great with the existing structure. My personal opinion, it fits within the definition of a subordinate structure. Um despite my issues with the way the definition of subordinate is written in here. Um, but nevertheless, I do think it falls within that within that definition. So, I mean, you know, I'm satisfied with um what's been presented so far, but open to anybody else's comments or impressions.

My whole thing is still I think you did a great job with this. It's just I don't like twotory structures, secondary structures, and there's still a one and a half, twotory or whatever. I don't know if that's the precedence we want to set to have another structure in the back. And that's my question is if we change the rules for accessory structures, what h or we set a precedence now that they could come back to us and say, "Hey, we approve this." I'm pretty conf you approving it and Carlos correct me isn't like changing a rule or law at all. Right. What's your point?

But if we if we go back and we redefine accessory structures like we're trying to do, would this not make that as defined and we're going to have problems later on because grandfather would be high expectation. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, I think it would be reasonable for a future petitioner though if to ask us for a distinction between what we're approving here and what um they might propose in the future. So, if we could say, listen, in this case, even though they were pretty close in height, if they were all at the same level, this was lower in the backyard, so it actually seemed lower. Or the square footage was less and so we feel better. or it was only one and a half. It wasn't a true two story. Like I we do need to be cognizant of that because I think future petitioners will come to us and see it as unfair. Um which is something we we don't want.

I I would also note that, you know, for those of us in small houses, you know, we're part of Chvy Chase and the houses are very very modest for the most part. And if I ever wanted a real garage, I would have to put an, you know, a garage in the backyard, which then, you know, leads to, would I put an accessory unit above? Um, I can't get a car in my garage now. I mean, it's it's it's tiny and it's because of the era in which it was built. So, I'm not surprised that somebody would want to build a garage and take advantage of the space over it to add living space. And again, we have to take the petitioner at his word. And you're you're right that we, you know, we can't predict what the next person's going to, but that's up that's up to the city to to figure out how they permit that unit and whether code enforcement, meaning my husband, um, you know, is aware that somebody other than relatives are living in a unit and and declaring a code enforcement issue. So, I think we can't just assume there are going to be bad actors here. I, you know, I think that's that's tragic if that's the case.

I don't think anybody is. I think my general point was like I'm not really as concerned about use because of the rules that are already in place that are going to that are going to govern it. If there were no rules, it was unfettered use, then like I think that's a different discussion. But I'm more focused on aesthetics for the purposes of this petition. Go ahead.

I agree with Sam that I think that this petition looks significantly better than what we saw before. Um, it just it seems smaller looking at it just from the view. Um, I like how it has been turned, how the windows are facing Price Road instead. Um, again, I think it's more of aesthetics at at this point.

Very good. Okay. Do I hear a motion? Is there any more further discussion? I think we've kind of talked it all through. So,

not sure if you got We got You still got We only have one Do we have any other public comments? We kind of jumped after we uh you know uh started talking about that, but um are there any other public comments that need to be made for this uh for this petition? Seeing anybody in the audience? No. No. Anyone online? Okay, that being said, um what's our pleasure? Do I hear a motion? I'll make the motion.

Yeah, go ahead. A motion to approve the petition for site plan for community design review uh and concept storm water management review for enclosed accessory structure consisting of 969 square feet footprint at an upper level finished area consisting of an accessory dwelling unit totaling a height of 23 foot 6 in from grade with a placement north of the principal building structure located at 820 North Price Road as presented in the MAM memorandum from the Department of Planning and Community Development dated October 16th, 2025 subject to any staff conditions noted therein.

I I just have a question. Is that the placement north of the principal structure? I was going to say, isn't that east? Yeah. So, would you mind that is addressing that the structure is not directly behind the house? No. Okay. It's a little bit north. Okay. That that's it's it's about the this this issue. Here's the house and it goes more than 5t north of the house. Okay. Okay. Good. Thanks for the clarification. No, no problem. I understand. I'll second that motion. Motion's been made by Laura Ragdale and seconded by Petri Paul. Um uh Carl, you please call the vote. Commissioner Ragsdale approved.

Commissioner Spiel, no. Commissioner Ford approved. Commissioner Powell approved. Commissioner Wallock approved. Commissioner Jorgel approved. The motion passes 5 to one. Thanks everybody. I appreciate the discussions and uh and the changes. Okay. Good, good, good. The two stories.

Okay. We'll move on to item three. And once again, appreciate your patience. You with us. Item C is 9538 Olive Boulevard, special permit for a restaurant taste of uh Jen Nam. And Don beforehand, I'll give you the and again chairman, I do want to apologize, but we we we were trying to accommodate uh Nolan Realy and and the the petitioner. Yeah. Uh so they had just brought uh the the information in so I couldn't put them on top of the agenda. We knew it was going to be busy, but thanks again.

If you're speaking, if you could speak in front of the mic. Yes, sir. There we go. I could make other comments. Uh, so I do want to apologize for a misspelling on this first uh first slide. It is John Nan. John Nan. Yes. John Nan. Uh I've been practicing.

Uh it is a restaurant. Gian Nan. The ta or the taste of Jan Nan is a Chinese proposed Chinese restaurant uh about a little over or a little under uh 4,000 square ft uh to be located in the easy storage building between the easy storage suite and the uh Domo suite or if you're depending on which way you're going on Olive and uh so let's See where uh we have we are considering mostly the uh sorry the uh oh where did we go the special use permit that is required for a restaurant to locate a full specifically a full service restaurant. It's about 67 proposed seats. And I think the I'm on the wrong slide or it just got a little bit mixed up. Okay. Uh so we already went over the suites that it would be in. Uh there are several things that are not applicable. Of course, the uh you know the usual review. This is already approved development. It is an existing building. Uh this is simply for the for the restaurant use. Uh concerns that had been brought up um or were expected uh were the parking uh and the petitioner proposes uh leasing spots from the bowling alley and also using spots from do. There is a breakdown within your packet uh for the where the 27 stalls are. There are 27 stalls on

site and then there they will be leasing the 16 stalls for a total of 43. Uh there is a whole breakdown on on how we require parking. Uh it is slightly different. that there's a 20% discount for this mixeduse building for the number of cars that they're allowed to have on the parking lot or I mean required to have on the parking lot. Yes.

And then uh were there any questions about the parking specifically? Um, is there going to be signage associated with it directing, you know, people to the different sides, you know, where there's overflow parking?

They haven't proposed any yet, but there's still kind of a lot of information that we're waiting for from the petitioner. Uh, this is uh something that we put together for the, you know, their parking plan. uh will need to see a lease agreement uh recorded in order to you know assure that they have the parking. Uh but we don't have a parking plan at the moment. Is there parking on the south side of the bowling alley or would it all be on the north and west side of the bowling alley?

I do assume it would be on the that west side. um you know because I mean that's where it's closest to. Um but uh it's yeah there's no parking in the back of the lights. I didn't think so. Yeah, we didn't do the that far out. I think it would be good to have some wayinding in case there's, you know, uh, you know, the lot everything's full and we got people just drive circling around waiting for a spot kind of to direct them, you know, to the the the different uh properties. Yeah. And and there's only one way in to this property, correct? actually one. Yeah.

No, there's a controlled right in right out on the on the far western end uh right by Dobs uh in there. And then of course there's a the signalized entrance uh right off of Indian Meadows. Okay. So yeah, if we I I wish I could zoom in on the that little aerial there. That came in handy. What what things are you waiting to see on the lease agreements? Um they haven't ne or they haven't executed them yet. Um but we were we wanted them to submit the diagrams as opposed to us doing that for them and just saying understood.

Here you go. Understood.

Okay. And uh we also for uh so this kind of ends the the parking discussion as it were since we don't have a di you know a diagram specifically for them or a lease agreement to reference. Uh the other concern is the exhaust duct system that would have to come out of the top of the building. uh they had are that's what they have stated that they would do with the exhaust. Um however, we haven't we don't have any schematics on that telling us how that that would be possible or what it would look like um uh or what it would look like to the neighboring properties. Uh there is a height variation here obviously. So the um po properties behind it would not have you know a bird's eyee view to see the duct work on top of the building. However um this it's actually the gray and I have to see in front of this um the the grayess kind of um makes that look like a monolith on the screen where it almost looks like a parking lot. But that is the building and it's a bird's eyee view from about like 50 or 100 maybe a feet up from the uh houses behind it. So they see that monolith um and the duct work would be on top.

Right. So So is there a parapit that goes around this building? There's not. And is there any HVAC units up on top of that building? I Yes, there there are both. Yes. They're kind of right down the center, right? Yes. Yeah. And can you see them from the street? I don't remember. No, you you can't see them. The the the overall height of the building is right here. Uh I think there's a small parapit. Yeah. This this piece here, I think, extends above the roof line. And I'm sorry, I did I I There isn't on the back, but there is on the front. Is that correct? No, it it goes around the perimeter back along it's Yeah. Okay. Okay.

It is flat. Yeah. But on the front there is the one thing that we we were not a concern. We just made it specifically clear that you know they needed to be cognizant of the exhaust exhaust system. one is they can't go back uh because there there is the if you look at the floor plan the the easy storage and and all that. So I think the intent is and the uh principal construction manager for Nolan is here that it's going straight up

and the petitioner is here if for any questions that you may have. Is there anything I mean we can still uh review this without the lease agreements and things like that? We are also asking for their interior finishes and things that they have planned. Uh but we don't uh this uh it wouldn't be anything that the commission would review. I mean for permitting they'll they'll come in with their final final uh outlines but this is all interior. Makes sense.

In there regarding the uh there and I talked to Mr. Clackner uh next door. They're they're in discussions of whether they want to lease or sell uh the excess spaces. They'll have to make that final determination before uh the special permit could get issued. So uh in there. So I see one primary door that's going to be at the waiting, but we also have two other doors. I'm sure those were for each of the uh you know the previous you know kind of separations. Are those going to remain or are those going to be closed off or you know what's what's the intent with those doors? Let me bring the petitioner up. Approve.

Petitioner could come up. That would be great. We do ask you to state your name and address for the record for both of you guys if you don't mind. Oh. Uh hi. Uh my name is Sures. So I'm representing uh the owner, the property owners. Easy storage. What's your lesson? Uh, Balal Suraj Balal. So, I'm the construction manager for Easy Storage. Okay. Okay. Your address? Uh, 9538 Olive Boulevard. Right. Um, so I just want to, you know, address few things uh before moving into the interior stuff. Um, uh, regarding the parking, uh, we we we're not leasing it. We we we we want to buy the parking lot. It's not 16. I think it's uh if you Carlos if you go to the parking uh

yes it's 12 spaces that we want to buy from uh you know you can see kind of a dark there's four in each row so 12 spaces that we want to buy from uh Dawn that's uh all lanes and they have agreed to uh sell us those spaces we're just waiting on uh you know once we have the approvals the restaurant approval we're going to go ahead and uh you know uh by Not least, but by those. So, will you put signage up on? Yeah. Yeah. Like like you mentioned, we can put, you know, if there's any overflow, you know, we have additional parking. Not not a problem.

Great. And it's it's going to be we won't have to go back onto Olive to get there. You can just cut through, right? Yeah, that's open. So, we do have probably I would say 22 feet. Uh so, there should be two-way traffic, you know, no problem. Um, I do see there's like an offset, you know, from the, you know, the driveway between the parking, uh, spots in front of the building. Yeah. And then there's kind of a little bit of an offset. I mean, is there I mean, should that be uh So, you're talking about the the curb offset. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I think we should have enough space. So, um, well, this is just a rendering that we we submitted. Uh but yeah, if you go to the So we should have uh 22 feet or more if I'm not wrong. Um if you do you want to change the curb? Is that what you want? I'm just wondering if space there. Yeah. For cars to get through. Okay. So going I just wasn't sure if they should be lined up, you know, so it it goes straight across rather than having a little bit of a jog. Pretty. Okay. I'm just throwing that out there for discussion.

Okay. And and as as far as uh you know the ducting uh so it does go to the roof. That's what we recommended you know but we wanted as a owner uh we wanted them to have duct going through the roof and not to the back or the side. Yes. And uh uh standing behind uh you won't be able to see right now you have the rooftop. We have five rooftop units on the top. Yeah. And uh I don't think you can see it from either side. Um and the building is probably what 50 ft up. So you won't be able to see the the exhaust duct. It's going to be in the front of the building because the space is in the front. Yeah. So I don't think you can see any duct coming out or Yeah. Nothing whatsoever.

You have an existing utility shaft or what do you how are you going to get Well, we we'll have to uh cut open the floors. Floors. Yeah. Because we we didn't know what kind of tenant we usually have. Yeah. Yeah. So we do have uh you know for the rooftop units, all those things, but not for the big exhaust. You know, it's going to be a big hood. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, as far as uh interior, you know, their architect is not here today. Mhm. So, if you have any questions regarding the, you know, uh restaurant interior, uh my concern was just kind of those doors, you know, the doors that were up against Oh, up against Yeah. I I think they plan to keep all three doors and use one door as a you know, uh

emergency to have access. Okay. And I think in the plan it shows uh you know kind of waiting area there. Uh yeah this is the uh right uh this is where if you're standing you know in a neighbor's front yard or backyard you won't be able to see it's too high. Exactly. Okay.

Tim you have any questions? Um I do actually. Um uh so where's the grease trap going to go? It's going to be in inside uh in the kitchen area. I think that's I think they show that in the plants. Okay. Um I think in the plumbing plants they do show a grease trap. It's just a floor mounted. Okay.

And they should have a dedicated line. Now the the sea wage line is dedicated to all the right here tenants. So, what I don't want to see happen is that it goes out the front door and you put it outside. I can tell you and I'll tell them that that is a no no. If you have if you can't do that and MSD doesn't approve that, I agree. Then you're going to have to go all the way to the back and that's going to be really expensive to do.

No, I agree. You know, as as a owner, you know, the building owner, we don't want that as, you know, for the other tenants, right? So the other thing is is you guys need to really make sure you understand to go up through that roof and what's going to entail to do that. Yes. Okay. So that's it's going to go through the you know county for all the approval duct everything. Yeah. So so we're clear on the committee that we will not allow it to go out back. Oh no. We don't want it out front or out front. Exhaust. No, it could not go or the side anywhere. It's got to go up. It's got to go up. Go straight up. Yes. Yeah. Um and then um

I guess the only the only other thing is, you know, the smell of it and we got to make sure that you know that you're directing it up and it's not getting into the neighbors and you're having a major smell thing or your roof rooftop units, the intakes. Yeah. Uh, we're going to keep at least 20 feet from the rooftop unit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's my code. You got to do it. So, that's not I think there's a code that you need to have a minimum 10 or 15 feet to leave it. That's good. Okay. I'm good. On the rooftop unit. Any other questions or comments for the petitioner?

Oh, I have a question. Um, where is the waste? I didn't think there was Is there access in the back for trash? Restaurants have a lot of waste, right? So, we do share a dumpster spot. Uh so, um the actual building has a dedicated enclosure, dumpster enclosure. Um we we just have uh so it's right here. Yeah. Right. Uh it's right next to the stairwell on the exterior that for some reason it shows uh it's a old plan I think Carlos is that the uh the new one does show it outside the

Yeah, we we have a dedicated enclosure for all the tenants. Um and they should use that. It's inside the building. Is that correct? No, it's it's outside the building. Outside the building and inside an enclosure. Yeah. Okay. So, it's right behind the domo. I don't know if you can uh see it. Way back. Going back in time. Yeah, you can see the So, you can see there. Oh, yeah. The black uh fence, gate fence. So, that's a enclosure. I'm going to go a little bit further back. Bear with me everyone. Yeah. Yeah, there.

Yeah. It's not connected to the building. It's it's enclosed and it's exterior. So, it's kind of like a an opening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And you said it's shared with the other tenants. Won't you have more waste with the res because I know Domo's food as well. Correct. Yeah. We all share the same dev dumpster enclosure. Is that what she's asking? Right. Yeah. Yeah. We we just have to increase, you know, the number of pickups now. Okay. Any other questions from the commission? Petri,

you're muted, Peter. Um, I was just going to ask, um, this is coming to us because basically all restaurants have to go through this special use permit. That's that was all the only question I had. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Yeah. We'll ask for some public comments to see if Well, we have nobody else online.

Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to have a add a public comment? No worries. All right. All right. Chairman, we quickly if I can and I apologize, but can you talk a little bit about the schedule and what what the the intent would be and then so pretty much you know once once they have approval tonight uh they should we should have the final lease uh pretty much in next uh this month I would say by end of this month. Mhm.

And uh once we have the permit it would be about 120 days is what what we're looking at to finish. So, uh, by summer. Yeah. Not before summer. For sure. Yeah. And then real shortly, can you describe some of the the hours of operation and then a little bit of the cuisine? Uh, you want to tell what's the operation hour hours? Uh, yes. Uh, please state your

I want to say from probably we open at 10, but we close at 10:00 too. It's um later maybe we we open for breakfast and but it's not anything soon. It's probably because we got to organize and the wrong restaurants well first then then we we start to to open the night and and the breakfast because the new restaurants is I will hire a a lot a lot of people because it's pretty big. So I need to to manage it right first then then but for now the hours will just from 10 to 10 or 10 to 9.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Just for clarification if you could state your name and address for the record. Um on my house address or Oh you can use the business address. Okay. Oh it's my name is and the address 9538 Olive Boulevard. Okay. Thank you. appreciate you. Uh the hours of operation um with restaurants and alette that is that within what's allowable or these specially done for each?

No, I mean and there there are sometimes where we restrict ours uh uh where where there are concerns like we did with the great harvest brewery where it was a little bit tighter uh in the process because of you know the the diversity of the different tenants uh in there. In this case, we don't have a really a concern, right? Uh in there, but just so the commission has an understanding. How's that match up with the adjacent ice cream place?

I I think they're they'll be great. I mean, in terms of the two uses, you can get two compatible uses that would kind of But in parking, you know, what I've seen uh in there, I we should be okay. They they by code the um the ice cream place would I believe it was like four dedicated stalls that they they would be required and they've been uh pretty good. The nice thing is you know given the accessibility of the community and on on Olive with the sidewalks um you know I get more foot traffic there than the vehicle traffic. Yeah, that's great. How's the hours of operation match up to the

do I think is 10? Yeah, I believe that they are open from like noon or 11 till 1000 p.m. Okay, that matches up good. Great. Okay. Any other discussion items, questions, comments? All right, seeing none, what's your pleasure everybody? Do I hear a motion? I'm sorry. So, can we put that in about the grease trap and about the exhaust fan in this or how does that work? Yes, you can. and we can make sure that they're part of the adopting ordinance. Yeah. Yes, please. Sounds like you're ready to make a motion. No, I'm I'm good. I don't want to make a motion. Well, I don't know if given the conditions I think you say about the grease strap. So,

this is your chance. This is your chance. Motion to approve a petition for forward a recommendation to the city council to consider authorizing a special use permit for the taste of

and to locate a 3,772 ft 67 seat dining in Chinese restaurant to be located at 9538 Olive Boulevard. approved the petition for site plan, community design, and concept storm water review as illustrated in the permit plans as presented on October 16, 2025 as presented before the commission and noted the me memoranda um from the department of planning and community development dated October 16, 2025 subject to any staff condition noted there in these um and we want to make sure that the exhaust fan has to go through the roof and the grease trap has to be interior.

Well done. Do I hear a second? Second. Motion's been made by Tim Speel Glass and seconded by Sam Bllock. Carlos, you please call the vote. Commissioner Ragdell, approved. Commissioner Spiegelass, approved. Commissioner Ford, approved. Commissioner Powell approved. I'm just in a house full of kids, so that's why I've been muting myself. Approved. And Commissioner Durggo approved. And the motion passes unanimously. Uh six to zero. Fantastic. Thank you guys for waiting. Really appreciate it. We're glad you're you're you're choosing all of that for your restaurant. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. We're going to move on to other business but be mindful it's 9:40. I understand chairman but it is very important. and I'll go be glad you want to do it or okay

because we you know we solar panels the commission's authorized us to approve uh solar panels to bring them to their attention and if the panels are not all on the same plane or they're they're leveled and not parallel with the roof line or of some unique color they got to go through an application process. There is a deadline coming up for um for the the tax rebates on these. So, we're we we got a an uptick on three solar panels being submitted. We wanted to just inform the commission and so they're on the record. Uh this one is two Carter Court. They're all on the same plane facing southward. You can see the uh the property here. They don't face a street. Looks good.

Number two is six bond hills. They're uh facing southward again uh to the rear yard. They don't face the street. And however, these are in different planes. We want to bring that to the commission's attention. And in this case, we feel confident the commission would be okay.

All right. And then third, uh 764 Elkington Lane. Uh these will be on the south side of the the roof area here. So it's south south is here. Uh this is the street side. Uh so they're not facing the rear, they're facing the south, which is a side elevation. Uh they are also on different planes because of the configurations of the roof line on the on the house, but on the same side. I hope the commission that's the one that I I hope everyone's okay. Uh I'm personally okay. Does anybody uh see anything different? No. Seeing nods or agreements I should say all the way around. So good. Nicely done. Thank you.

All right. Okay. So then we'll move on to 2024 comprehensive plan. I think we should table that.

Actually, no. I'm gonna I'm gonna hold you. I'm going to make this really quick, but we we all know about the comprehensive plan and it's full of big ideas that get correlated to a vision and then our objectives that govern how the commission makes decisions. But I want to quickly talk about because the council starting this discussion at the direction you know with discussions with our liaison about the council giving us some direction of where where they would want us to go on the comprehensive plan. So they had that discussion in there and what my goal was like to make sure that the commission is looking at it from a higher level. I mean the the the comprehensive plan really is what staff does on behalf of the commission and how the commission makes decisions. The council kind of directs everything on which things are going and they also have other plans to be concerned about but ultimately I believe and and to make it simple is you know the council controls the money and the money decides what gets done and that could be either in implementing something and providing staff and and things like that and the council has a lot of people asking you know pulling for for for money. So when it gets to the comprehensive plan, there were these big ideas. We had a big community input. So that gives the council good basis of the last time we've had, you know, a lot of community input in a in a process. Uh it developed the vision. It set up goals, objectives, and then potential community actions. Uh and then the guiding principles. We've gone through these about community diversity, sustainability, balance, economy, affordability, connected, built environment, sense of place. And then the individual goals. There's 10 of them. I won't go through them, but how is it implemented? Especially from the council side, we we kind of talked about is it a top down approach, bottom up, or is it circular? The council's got a tough idea because for the council, it's just a guide. Kind of like our development guidelines. They're not law and they don't dictate to the council. It's just a guide for them. However, for staff, it's our responsibility to implement to make sure that all the codes are are are articulating the goals and objectives of that. And then for the

commission, it's the basis of how you make decisions. So it's it's it's a different process for the council. So for the council and we they kind of had a work session discussion is like again they should look at it as a guide to govern land use other priorities and it's full of big ideas. It's their leadership because they control the budget and the council has its own goals and they should see you know if they want to help implement the comprehensive plan you know try to implement make sure that their goals are consistent with the comprehensive plan or at least where they want to see that uh work. Uh and the council's got a lot. I mean the council kind of in the middle with its own goals. It's we're not the only board and commission that go reports to the council. The council has a liaison. The boards have staff and then you know there's a parks plan. There's plans for the fire, police, regional plans. Uh but ultimately there's only so much to fund in in the process. And again funding is about resources which includes you know individuals, it includes you know consultants, it includes actually purchasing and things like that. So that's how the city council uses the plan and you know the goal here is like to emphasize that the liaison is our main conduit going back to the council and that is the council's main conduit going back to the commissions and the various boards because ultimately you you what you want to do or implement is to get into the budget or get funding in there. Again, funding could be having additional employee staff to implement things, having facilities like this to be able to to to engage the the the public uh in there. And I the council had that that discussion and I'll let the uh leazison if there's anything else that they want to add to it, but they're talking about uh you know taking the the commission's comments and looking at what are their priorities and then provide feedback to to this commission.

Yeah. The only thing I'll add I got 45 minutes worth of slides but you know just to call out

I think that's important. We won't go through it tonight in much detail, but if there are things like ADUs, like trees, like you know, we've talked about that new construction of trees or, you know, or we want to do anything with people cutting down trees on permit. We're going to need guidance from the commission here of what are the three or four, I'm making this up, areas you would like get opinion back from the council on what we want. And then similar, I think um the council's going to probably send things back here to say these are things we think we should be thinking about and kind of guidance. So, I think it's a two-way street. So my ask for all of you is maybe what are the three or four topics I could pick a few that I know we've talked about over the last few years that you'd really like direction from from a litigation from a if we were to actually write laws or things like that what would be and then I think we're going to need to set up a work session this coun the commission will have to set work session to give me notes to take back and then I'll vice versa.

Good good I like it.

Well that was very fast. You really pushed through that. I was watching the time very impressed. One last thing, uh, Miss Dodie G gave a presentation to, uh, to the Chantress program at the University of Missouri St. Louis in there where Olivet kind of talked about our planning process uh, in there and we talked about, you know, how we we work through our comprehensive plan system. uh going back to 2006, a decision was made to relocate our city facilities off of Olive Boulevard and then to use the opportunity to use the I170 interchange and the the former city facilities as Bookin to to implement redevelopment uh which we we went with out on RFPs on both end and then we started getting private interests like Easy Storage um Plant Haven and other properties that started making improvements in there and and the end the end of the day is like the proof's in the pudding. So, we went from a a commercial assessed value of a little bit over 50,000 to 94 million. If you look at all this all the strategies that the city used by doing this relocation, doing these RFPs, we've nearly doubled our our commercial value. Now, that doesn't mean that we're like now bringing in all the money. There is what they call the Hancock amendment and that keeps that we can't increment our our property re revenues more than the the the cost of inflation. There's a little bit more more to that. Uh but what that does is that that now allows us to lower our assessments both residential and to commercial. Uh in there you are paying more of course but you're paying kind of a an interest aspect but we're also have a bigger pool that now we can uh pull from. Uh and and again there it's a measurable result of you know good planning on the commission and the city's part.

That discussion seems like it'd be a good thing for a uh for the newsletter. It it it's it's pretty good. Yeah. So all right. Uh I think Mr. uh Carwell has one set of minutes uh that were prepared together that he wants to read. I will acknowledge receipt of the May 15, 2025 uh meeting minutes. Thank you. If there's any corrections or comments, please talk to Jack. All right, we'll move on to reports. Carlos already issued his report.

Yes. And and let us know about your availability on on the highlighted dates. That's the only thing I I would ask. Uh as we get closer to the holiday season uh and all that. I know everybody's got there's busy and then schools have events that are going on. So, uh, please give us a heads up if you have any conflicts coming up, uh, in there. Uh, things have been picked up. I I think we got a couple of houses and other things that are coming down the pike. Do we have any religious holidays that fall? Not that fall on these dates, but they're pretty close. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Take a look at everybody. See what you what you know, if you're going to make them. If you're not, if you already know, uh, let Carlos know and then we can plan accordingly. All right. Good. Good. Uh Tim or Brian anything anything I was gonna say is on there. So all right good good that being said no nothing further we'll adjourn at 9:51 due to Carlos. Wow. Thank you ladies for for attending. I greatly appreciate it. Carlos, that was very impressive how fast