Water Pollution Control Authority - Regular Meeting

Uh, I'm going to call the meeting to order at 7:31 June 10th. Uh, hey. Let's see. in attendance as Randy Nixon, John Flick, uh Brian O'Connell, Cono or no Cornell, uh Andrea Lombard, uh Dimmitri online are Mary Daly and Dennis Maluso. Absent right now are Brad Jüks and uh Corey um uh what's Cory's last name? and Corey and Ste what his name Corey I don't know and Corey um approval of the minutes uh because of a mistake that I made the uh minutes were not posted um online uh until this morning. Uh I thought I sent it out to the town when I sent it out to everyone. Um and so uh we can meet but we can't have any motions or anything else. So we'll wait to approve the minutes until next next meeting. Um next in line is budget update and expenses. Andrea, hey there. Okay, so we did fix the carryover. um it's zeroed out and um our remaining balance for as of June 3rd, so the month of May, $55,1766. So now we have more in the budget obviously because we've moved over the

attorney fees expenses were Erica and we are starting to spend down some of the American Rescue funds. There were two um invoices that are in the process of getting paid for fuss and O'Neal um for the shared infrastructure. So one was for 25625 and the other one was only $30. Um 130 oh that's also came up 30 and then um so I think we're around I have the exact number. Hold on. Uh, we've so far expensed was these that's encumbered $4,68848. So the balance is $150,629 for the American Rescue Funds for December of 2026. That's it. Um, I'd like to just talk about Mike. Uh, that's a typo. It's Mike Battello. He's our um acred cost. He is our bond attorney and um he's been working with us on revising the CSA agreement. Uh working with the D on how to write it up in the CSA to give to to uh Mike uh our other mic attorney. Thank you. uh uh who's actually revising the CSA. Um and he asked if we wanted to roll in costs uh into the loan amount, which is usually common. I mean, you usually roll in attorney's fees into almost all the notes that you you take out. And I said, "Well, how much can it be?" You know, we just finished paying off the last one. You couldn't acrewed, but he has acred

uh a decent amount of money, almost $20,000 since the last bill. So, I have requested that he start sending us monthly uh counting uh so that we know how to uh do it, but that that money will be rolled into the $17.1 million uh into the TE funds into Okay. Because we do have $36,000. Yeah, I I know. Um do we have those bills yet or I I don't even have You know, he just added them up for me. He didn't. So, it may be and I'll talk I should have talked to him today about a little uh because I spoke with him. Um but uh it may have to do once he once he actually builds it. It's a bill. You know, it it that's why that's why they generally save them until the end. Just it's just nice to know what the break. It certainly is. Yeah. Right. I mean, I've been he charges quite a bit. He's the most expensive attorney that we have. Um what is that an hour? might be 800 an hour. Yeah. Oh. Um, so it doesn't take long to No, another attorney. I think they're all about that. Just make sure he doesn't use a stopwatch. You know, that's Yeah. Well, I try to get him off the phone as quickly as possible. They kill you. They call you on the phone. Hey, you know, I'm like, all right, what's up? I don't care about your mom. Even if they send you a bill, they're still negotiable. if you can go and look and say, "Hey, we weren't really on the phone that long or again I've dealt with attorneys for a long time and again I had a lot of problems with attorneys and it's like you're not I don't want this double billing stuff because they allow them to do it right." So I I you know I watch I've historically watched very tightly and you can go back. Yeah, that's a good idea. What else are we going to use attorneys for for the rest of this

budget period? I mean, we could pay that out of our budget. It's just that I mean, if the common practice is to roll it over, Martha even said, "No, usually, you know, even with the senior center, it's rolled into the note." So, I don't want to spend general funds if common practice is to roll it into the note. I think that's right. I think that's the right thing to do. That's normal. Yeah. My experience, especially like that, the bond attorney. And how does he get paid at what point? Like he's going to wait for his money? It's a good question. I don't I don't I don't know. I mean, he's used to doing this and waiting. I'll I'll ask. I I'll certainly ask. I I will ask. Maybe he'll negotiate a lower rate. Pay him, right? Pay him up front. So may maybe I will ask I'll send him an email. I like both of these ideas. That was wild. We'll give you five if you take it now. Four. Cut it in half. Um, exactly. So, I mean, the budget, you know, I think we're very good with the budget and it's done a good job. I think we're kind of in in sync uh as far as with accounting now. Um, and that's that's it. Anyone have questions uh online about the budget? Make sure you unmute unmute yourself. Yes, Dennis. The ARPA funds that were um given from the town, the WPCA uh have to have a designated um uh reason. And what is what is the

designated um uh shared? So, Dennis, it's for um work towards the shared infrastructure which is approved and I put that in the email to Tracy and Anita and Anita tracks the American Rescue Funds and it's specifically coordination with uh the engineers working on uh the BR Connecticut Bridge reconstruction that goes through our project. Yeah, thank you for asking that. Anyone else have a question? All right. Um, we'll go to the chairman's report. Uh, CSA update. Mike Patello, our bond agent, uh, clarified some questions for Mike Kerry, our CSA attorney. Uh he is rewriting the CSA to include comments that were made uh uh in February uh of this year as well as addressing how the D wants the wording uh discussed as far as funding and ultimate uh final note uh origination. Um I expect to have that by the end of June uh for review by all parties um and to have the final copy by the end of July. So after comments are made by the parties after seeing all the updated information. I expect uh there'll be minimal comments and it will

uh be revised to reflect those comments or worked out to reflect those comments and then and then uh finalized the uh the question of of edus in the CSA. Um I I just want to tell everyone that the town had signed an agreement uh I think back in 201 19 or 20 that said when we met the three precedented things which we had done this year we paid the final bill that we would be a voting member of of the CSA and that we were going to sign that CSA. um because we're modifying the CSA, we're waiting to sign. However, uh there's been I think a little confusion about uh the .eduus changing in the CSA and they have not since we have signed the agreement to sign the CSA. No changes in the percentages of edus has occurred. Um, I believe there were changes in edus uh from the beach association's EIE study to what's reflected in the CSA, but there has not been any change whatsoever to the percentages in the CSA that we agree to. And just to give everyone a history of what Rich was negotiating with at the time, the beach associations didn't even want us in. We would have to put in our own pump station. We'd have to put in our

own uh uh force man. We were talking I believe a difference of8 edus at the time. Uh, I think Rich had done the math and said it's it comes out to about 15 or $20 per person per year. I mean, it's it's a minimal amount. Um, it was the best he negotiated and it was voted on by everyone uh on the WPCA to to go ahead and uh agree to those terms. And the town subsequently signed a letter stating that they would sign that CSA with those terms. Um, I would not support renegotiating those terms. U, I think that, uh, we gave our word. Everyone's gone on the premise that those were the percentages and I think that those percentages should should remain intact. Um, that's about all I have on the CSA. So, I don't believe those those percentages are going to change. Um, a sewer p project status update. Um, Jason's online. Uh, I can give an update on some of the other other items. Uh, but on the whole project, but uh, Jason, would you want to give us an update on on our specific project? Uh, sure. Yeah, we uh opened bids uh evaluated the bids the um and we've been in contact with the bidder. Uh they originally had to hold their price for uh for a certain amount of time. Uh so we've asked them to extend that. Uh been in contact with them. They are receptive to it. Uh obviously they have some concerns about inflation, but um they are they're you know willing to um uh you know discuss holding their bid

price. So um that's uh that's good news. But um yeah, other than that, it's just a matter of uh waiting for uh the funding um in coordination with Deep um uh at this point. So no, uh no active engineering work going on. Great. All right. Uh thank you very much. Um, as far as the other uh entities, um, Miami Beach and Olan Shores uh passed their resolution uh allocating I think $18.7 million for sewer work. Um, their resolution is a little higher because I think it includes uh drainage also in in their resolution, some drainage work. Um, so they are in the process of getting their bid documents uh readied. As a matter of fact, their bid documents and Miami bid Miami Beach's bid documents are with the D for review uh to release for bidding. Um, we expect bidding to uh uh occur before the end of July from both entities. Um, and uh I believe I believe all or most I saw an email today that's a little confusing. I don't know whether the uh uh pump station bidder is formally I I don't know what he's doing. I don't know whether he is extending his bid or saying contact me in October and I'll let you know if we're going to do the job. Um it's a little confusing. I thought that they had formally ex extended their bid. Um I'd have to go through the email. I saw it right before

this meeting and I want to make sure I followed that correctly. Um, but I believe everyone else has extended or or said that they would um look at the project and make sure that it's still economically viable for that in in October. Steve, are those two beach associations going out to bid together or separately? Well, they're not coordinating a a bid out together. Fussen O'Neal has uh secured at least four biders that said they will bid it. Uh so they will bid uh Miami Beach and they will bid I'm short, you know. So uh they're not our our our engineering firm, but I think that was uh uh some good foresight and diligence on their part to to uh secure biders before spending the money. So there will be bidders. Uh what about Old Colony? They're in and maybe that's next. I'm sorry. What about Old Colony? Old Colony has been bid and that's a done deal. That's a done deal. So the pump station's been bid. The force man's been bid. Uh the share trunk has been bid also. Um Miami Beach's part has not been bid and choice has not been bid. Um, okay. So, I sat down uh with uh first Luckman uh Shoemaker uh this past week. Uh we've worked out uh some uh dates for the referend so let me go back a little. We have to go back out to referendum as everyone knows. Uh we we voted on that last last month. Um there's there's certain steps we have to take according to town ordinance and state statute. Uh, and the first step is

for me to present to the board of selectmen why we need to uh get higher spending authority. Uh, I'm doing that June 16th, which I think is next Monday. Um, and then I will present probably the same thing to the board of finance the following day. Um, at that point, what's missing here is because it's not really up to me. I don't know when they will do this. Um but the board of selectmen after these two steps will uh uh have a meeting and and uh recommend it go to referendum. Uh we've scheduled a town meeting uh on August 4th and that will be moderated. Uh it's not it's not the referendum. Uh you know there's no voting at that meeting. It's anformational. It's a request by the selectman that I do that. Um I did say that I will answer questions about funding. Uh but I will instruct the moderator to say a question is out of order if we start talking about the need for sewers. That's not part of this town meeting. Will the beach associations be there? Anyone can be there. It's a town meeting. But who's going to be like the moderator? the moderator I I would probably be who do we use uh could be we use France not the last one um but you know it's going to be an attorney usually it's usually an attorney um do you want us at either of these meetings the 16th and the 17th or you could care you can I'm going to present I'm going to present my referendum summary uh you know and just give a reason why prices has gone up and the reason why Even though they've gone up, the state's covering the cost are

really going up. So, is the real key is that it's covering really going up. So, I would like I would like as far as this whole referendum, um I want to send out a a postcard. Okay. All right. It it would go to every every resident in in town because it's a townwide vote. Um, and I think I would like to uh work work with maybe Andrea on this and and get her input, but it would be basically, you know, there's town referendum on this date. Uh, we need more spending authority. Uh, though the the the loan value was still is expected to be around $8.5 million. You know, I'll get the numbers, which is less than the original referendum, 9 and a half. Um the costs are still going to be borne by users and not town folk. Um you know that type of thing. Give give them direction to our website so they can see some of the the uh material that we'll put on it and that's about it. So you want a PowerPoint for the other meet for the August 4th meeting so that we uh Yeah, I'll do a Yeah, I can help you with that. I have I have a PowerPoint that I did last August. Mhm. Um, which uh was greeted with great uh enthusiasm. And if you look at the video, yeah, ju just a suggestion, and I'm probably telling you what you're already going to do, but if you can make it graphically really clear that this change in price is covered, right? So that so that we don't engender a bunch of issues that aren't pertinent to the purpose of that meeting. I think it would be really important. So Okay. Thank you. Andrew help. Come in. Come here. Perfect. So by

graphically clear, what were you thinking? Like simple pie chart. Probably a pie chart. I would think Let's not call anyone that asked a question stupid. I was We need to be I would think maybe a a pie chart. Sure. Like just just or two. Or two. Just make it what it is. Yeah. It's clear and this is where this is where the money's going and this is where it's coming from. You know, I just think that's important and and the net net is the pies is that little slice is the same or less or less. That's or less. We added that into the budget presentation this year because I said to BJ, you can put all the numbers you want up on the in a graph, but once you see that pie chart, it's telling. Do you have it already? I have the pie chart for the budget. Yeah, for the budget. All you have to do is put the information into an Excel sheet and then just Yeah. Pop it into a pie chart. Yep. It'll do percentages, it'll do labels, it'll do everything for you. And then uh on August 14th is our referendum. We hope. Unfortunately, some of our registars thought they were taking vacation that week, so we have to work with them. All right. Well, that's the case so far. Can other people volunteer for that? Registers. Okay. I mean, one is okay, but it depends how big it is, but the whole town gets to vote on it, so it's a big um we also have a problem with the schools, too. We talked to Steve about it today. The schools are all closed during the summer except for the high school. So holding the vote, where will it be? What about the fire station? It has to be an approved site through the Secretary of State's office. So I'll have to talk to

Jen. Like they could do it here like they did early voting, which I thought worked really well. Yeah. Um they're not going to have a rush on this. Well, it's only going to be one day. Well, I I realize that, but I mean, I think the last referendum was 600 voters at most. I mean, it's there's no matter how much you want people to vote, they're busy ever. Um, well, that's that's all. I mean, that's you better to talk, but not in the meeting about that logistics. Oh, Mary has her hand up and Dennis. Hi, good evening. Good evening. This is Mary. I just have a question. Um, you had said that August 14th or by the end sometime in October actually, you would know by then if the current bids are going to hold or or not. So to have a referendum by August 14th, how do you know what if the current bids are holding holding or um increased? And second, are you expecting that you will know by August 14th or August 4th, I guess, that O line shores in Miami Beach are in or out of this project? Thank you. Um, well, you just heard from Jason that our our contractor and I think I just said all but uh the pump station contractor, which I I think is questionable. I have to interpret what they're saying. Um, I wasn't the only one. Someone said, "Now I'm a little confused." So, every every other contractor has has said that they would uh perform the work. So, they're they're uh their bids are being held. Uh Carlos from DP said that he would allow uh

changes to the contract price if they can prove uh that inflation has affected prices of materials. So you know they they're looking at what materials are now and what they will be three or four months from now. the the amount of inflationary increase is I would think negligible to the total contract of the price and it's not going to affect it at all. I mean it not not our bid of 8.5 million isn't all material. Uh it's probably you know maybe $2 million worth of material. So out of that 2 million then you got to prove how much that went up. I mean, it's it's it's not going to be uh enough to to it's not going be enough to affect the uh contract where all of the contingency money uh would be used. So we're thank you because my go ahead my understanding from last month or the month before was that two of the infrastructure bids were questionable were not going to be held without a cost of construction index so increase so and one said no they would not extend beyond the 120 days but if that has changed I guess that's good news will you also know by And if Old Lime Shores and Miami Beach are in by August 4th, if they plan on bidding by the end of July, which is what Austin O'Neal has indicated to us, then I would guess. I mean, I really can't control what they do, but they're scheduled to bid. Like I

said, their bid documents are at D right now and they're waiting for approval to put them out to bid. So, it's early June um or mid June if they get them by next week and put them out to bid. It's 30 days later. So, the bid would be later in July, July 20th to the 30th. From there, we'll know uh if they have successful bids, what their prices are and if they plan on going through with it. I I assume that if they're bidding it and they get responsive bids, they're going to go through with it. So, I Thank you. So, if they put them out the end of July or toward the end of July, how many bids us? Mary Mary, they put them out at the end of June and receive them at the end of July. There's a 30-day bid period. They go out at the end of June. They're received and opened at the end of July. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Dennis, do you have a question? Yeah. um you referred to um what is going to be on this postcard and uh I would um caution you as to the statement you made regarding who's going to pay because the original referendum there was and I have a copy of it. There is no mention as to who's going to pay. That was a failed mention from the previous uh select person. And if I if it's a townwide vote, you can't specify who's going to pay. Just for clarification, and that's something maybe Martha and Jim and Jude

and the town attorney can find out. But I have a copy of the original call for the referendum and there's nothing in that referendum that states that that um uh correct only select persons will be paying. Neither neither does this referendum the new on the postcard you were going to to tell them who was going on on the informative postcard. I can see that there's Dennis there. This is Martha. But there is information. Um Vicki just put together a packet of information that I sent to Michael Battello, the bonding agent. I sent it to Steve and I sent it to Michael Kerry. at all of the stuff from the last referendum um with wording and also minutes from some of the meetings where things were discussed and in town meeting so that some of the v the voters knew and had asked questions but I can um provide that to you too to see if it matches what you had. I have exactly what Vicki had posted. He is he's he's stating that I will not be able to state in a informative postcard that the cost will be borne by the users. Well, we'll have to discuss that with legal. That's exactly. That's what I'm That's my point. Exactly. Well, just so you know, everything has to go through legal for a referendum. So, we're good. Okay. Thank you. Um All right. Um, so, uh, under new business, uh, we have a sew ordinance that's out. Um, it's almost completed. Uh, and I believe Andrea is working on that. Yeah, we were are we resurrecting that to have I I think I think that uh, you

know, I don't know if we should combine it with the referendum, but if it's I mean, there were only minor changes to that, right? So I think we stopped because there was that where are we with the project? And then the second question is does it apply to the beach associations? Is that did I get that right? That's what I think that's correct. Um because of the town of old line ordinance. Yes, it's a town of old line ordinance. Yes. And we were focusing on just sound view instead of two town the whole town at large. Right. Y that's the kind of um how can I say it's schizophrenia? So right. So um should I ask the beach associations if they want something? Uh, so just so everyone knows, the town ordinance protects the town. Yeah. It it's not it's not a So if if we have an ordinance that says you can't throw gasoline down your sewer and gasoline somehow is traced back to us, New London can't come and and go after us as uh a WPCA because we had it in our ordinance that you can't do that. they might be able to find the person. They were able to find the person and they might be able to have charges. But that's that's the type of thing that that if we don't have an ordinance, we're responsible. If we do have an ordinance, it's the individuals that that start on. So that's really the the main reason for an ordinance as well as I think it's state statute that we have to have one if we have system. So, uh,

should I ask? It is kind of weird that it's a town ordinance, uh, that may or may not apply to, uh, three or really four individual WPCA districts. Point of woods, you're doing what are you stating in because your first It's a sewer ordinance. Okay. So it's so it's a W your first ordinance for your WPCA says that your sewer sewer avoidance. So that that ordinance we haven't even looked at Martha. This ordinance is a brand new one. It's it's what 18 pages. It's relatively long. It defines what laterals are. It defines what uh the Did you base this on another town's? Yeah, it's based on a state. basically a state state template template and then we modified it to to suit um our needs but basically it it goes through definitions it goes through responsibilities it goes through so uh one of the one of the things that I think was changed or clarified was that uh the town is responsible for a lateral between the the the property line and the sewer trunk and a homeowner is responsible from the property line to their house. It's the same lateral. Um they had called it, I think, a building drain to try to separate it, but uh so in some towns like Middletown, you're responsible for the whole thing. So if it breaks in the street, the homeowner still has to repair it. And that is a strange situation. Usually usually it's the town that's responsible from in town property. Uh, so those are the types of things that were addressed and clarified in our sewer ordinance in New London. It's from the property owner

because I remember we had problems with our house in New London and it's from the to the to the trunk to the street. Into the street. Yeah. To the trunk. Yeah. We we we have it so that you're responsible only on your land. If it's on town land, the WPCA is responsible to fix it. So if there's a break in the street, the WPCA is responsible to fix that, right? And the costs are borne by everyone. All the member communities, for example, of the MDC have the same situation because that work for most of them. So, right, it's it's unusual to have it that is strange all the way through. Um I mean, well, whatever. Um so we we do have an ordinance uh I I think we should revive it next month and review it. Do we want to bring that to the beach associations during your meetings? I think I think uh if you give me the latest copy or I I can probably get it online. But has it gone through legal? No. No. No. We were only working on it here. You can't you can't put an ordinance in until it's been reviewed by turn. So, let's Why don't you get that to me? Okay. And I will forward it to the beach associations and uh maybe in the CSA we can uh allude to the ordinance. I mean, I don't know how you do it. It's a town ordinance. I don't know how. But we don't have jurisdiction over their their sewers, though. How do you feel about it? Well, if you don't have jurisdiction over their sewers, why are you letting them see it? Why do they get Because maybe we can include them and then we do have jurisdiction over that. Well, then you get into the whole thing

whereas so then are we going to be respons is their WPCA going to be responsible for their problem where it's in the street or is it going to be the town? Well, if they if they are if they want this or if they want to be so here this is our WPCA does not have jurisdiction over those WPCAs. Who's respons who lets them know if they need to pump? We're supposed to pump in the private beach associations. We're we're supposed to this this WPCA we track their data. However, now that they're their own WCA, it really should go through them, but they're only focused on the SUA project. This is kind of technically speaking, it's you got to get your jurisdiction. It's like a It's like a village. Here's But what I I guess what I'm saying is our WPCA does not have jurisdiction over their WPCAs. I know that. However, I don't know if our town ordinance has jurisdiction over their WPCAS. It's it's one step higher. I mean, it's a town ordinance. I don't think you could just say I don't elect to do that ordinance. That's clearly a legal question. But then separately, I would think they would want Well, I would think they would because we're say if it's break a break in the street, the town's paying for it, not Well, no, I don't think the town their WPCA. Sorry, you're complicated because the beach associations have private roads, right? So there would have to be clauses in it that like old colony people who reside within old colony then

old colonies WPCA would pick it. So you can you can put you can do a call out paragraph in our ordinance to say that these private beach associations are responsible for the barrel streets that they aren't say each WPCA is responsible for their own repairs. Well, I know you like to say it's simple, but that's what the loopholes all show up and be and so in legal language, you got to spell it out. What do we What do we do for Point of Woods? Because that should be included. That should be included also. That's why I said four for because if any of these beach associations go defunct at any point in future time, there's got to be some little put in. So, Point Woods right now has their own WPA. Yes. Yes. And so I think you need to run it. I think you need to question. There's certainly other towns that have little private beach associations that do their own little kind of things. So we should probably see there's got I don't know if there are other towns that have their own WPC like this. So this timing I think you're the only going to have five WPC. We do have five WPC. for such a smaller hotel. Um, so why don't why don't you why don't you get that to me and uh I'll I'll ask the beach associations to review it and then I'll I'll bring them up. We have a CSA we're trying to schedule CSA meeting next week. So So um I have a question if you don't mind. Yeah. Um I think in the past had said that if one of the WPCAs and the PBAs failed to do meet their their responsibilities the town WPCA would take presidents over that but maybe that

is another legal question that you should ask. And second, before you share an ordinance with the PBAs, would you share with the rest of us on on this WPCA? Share the draft first. We would appreciate that. Thank you. Right. Usually how it starts is in your committee. It's already It's already been through committee. I'm sorry they weren't here, but it's been approved by this board to to it was approved to the point of making I think five or six changes and then going to legal. So, I'll show them a draft. I don't have a problem to legal. I'm sorry. It was it was within five to six comments of being incorporated before going to legal. That was two years ago. Well, probably three years ago. Okay. So, CGS legislation changes all the time. Little things that are in various bills. I said, Martha, I'm just saying Martha, you keep interrupting my meetings, which is is difficult for me to run them, but I said I would send it out to everyone. Is there any more discussion I need? Thank you. I have another question. Yes. We have to also make sure that mainline going through 156 that every everyone should be responsible that that is being that is being addressed in the CSA agreement. Okay. So this is very important right now and it's it's going to be based on uh

on us it'll be based on percentage of usage. So after after the first two years um the way it's written now uh we'll have data from from the first and second years of of flow and and who you know we'll know who's we'll we'll break out the percentages that way and that everyone is responsible but the money going into the general fund that's going to support this system will be based off usage and not edus I think it would defer calculated. We have to get some money every month or every quarter and collect some money that we would need to use for repairs. Yeah, that's that's part of usage fees. Yes, that is so in this case anywhere on a street line wine breaks those money from the town should be applied to correct everyone connects to this cost this would be fair I think I think that's correct so to sum things up Andre will send me the the ordinance I'll send it out to everyone here in the two beach in the three beach associations in Point of Woods uh to review and then I will also follow up give us a date to get it back so everybody you know I know about don't know about you but if I don't have a deadline on my calendar it gets pushed and then I guess I guess who is our town our town attorney isn't only Mike isn't Martha, you have the whole squad. It's Susman and Shapiro.

So, usually everything goes to Jack first. I start with Jack and then he feeds it to whoever's got free time. All right. And I'll ask the question to Jack if a town ordinance is is applicable or supersedes any of the other WPCAs. We may not have to mention anything. Yes, Jim. Uh, yes, Steve. Before the ordinance goes out to the PBAs, I just want to make sure that it reflects the uh agreement that we had. There's only one change we were talking about to the sewer ordinance and that was to specify that all future projects will be selfunding. Okay. That's in there before it goes out to the horse's tail. Thank you. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you for Did you get that? selfunding self-unding. Um, and then I I mean that's a general legal question. I I mean I I don't know. So someone's going to have to determine uh whether a town ordering is super seed is is for the whole town even though they're separate WPCA districts or if it's just for our town. I mean we don't need them. We just for the town and not the other districts. We don't need them to be part of this, but it would be good to be part of it. I don't know why they wouldn't want to be, but whatever. Um, and then I have correspondence. So, I had some emails with Bill Randazo, who is interested in uh developing some property on I think Harford Avenue. Um and he asked would it how much edus it would be and I said well I don't best thing to do is get the thing through zoning. That was my first response. Get

it through zoning and bring it before us. And uh he said well it's it's it's one building or two buildings. Uh you know I said well we have a formula for this. It's it's uh you know three four two three four bedroomedroom houses with one kitchen, one bath is one edu. Um but I said there's there's differences and you know there's things that change. Um he said well what what about uh six units, two bedrooms each, three kitchens. I said well probably six edus they're separate units. He came back and said well why isn't it uh unit one and two together as a fourbedroom but two kitchens 1.25 25. Um I I said I you know I probably answered too quickly. Um I don't really know how this would apply. Uh if you want to formally request us to look at it, we will. Um that was it. Well, actually he said I have fidiciary responsibility to increase development in the town. And I said, "No, I have fidicial fidicial responsibility to protect the town water courses and and groundwater and development has nothing to do with me." Um, as a matter of fact, uh, the CWF funds say that we're not supposed to be increasing, uh, population density. Um, but he hasn't asked for a formal review of his property or what he plans on proposing. So, I'm not going to uh consider it until I get something more formal than what do you think? Um, and then Joseph Lzan Fame, who is uh the New London city's WPCA chief engineer, uh, wrote to me uh, inquiring about the status of the projects. I uh

I told them where we're at that we extended the bids. We're waiting for all I'm sure is Miami Beach to bid for the request of uh the D. So that's all correspondents I had um public comment. Uh well, are there any questions on the on the uh correspondence? All right. Not hearing any. We have public comment. I see one person uh 86050810 58. I don't recognize the number. You're on mute. If you want to speak, unmute yourself and uh state your name and address. Otherwise, I don't see anyone else that would that seems to want to do the time that would have public comment. All right. I don't hear anyone. I don't see any attempt to unmute or do it. So, public comment is closed. Uh, may I have a motion for adjournment? So, moved. Seconded. I'll second meeting a journ.