Road and Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

call meeting to order at 559 and just a matter of course. Uh would someone make a motion to approve the minutes for the July meeting? Make a motion. So second that Sophie. Okay. Is there any discussion or any corrections? So, well, except for the corrections on the previous or I guess on these minutes that uh Gregory's name was George or something, it was it was wrong, but we had a wrong name. We got a wrong name. Oh, I thought I looked him up on the town GIS. He's he he reported that it was incorrect, but Okay, we will correct that.

Yeah. Uh shall we vote? All in favor of the minutes with the correction. I opposed to abstain. Minutes are adopted. Marty from Ultimate has some new uh survey speeds study survey information for us and you can take it away, Marty. Well, thank you. It looks beautiful uh in Connecticut if I'm looking out that window. Uh it looks gorgeous. So, wish I was there. I am not going to take much of your time. If I share my screen, will you guys be able to see? We hope. Okay, let me try. Let me try.

Yes, it works. All right. Can you still see? Definitely.

Okay. All right. Well, Amanda, thank you for having me. It's good to see everyone. Uh right now I cannot see you because I'm looking at the speed study, but uh I'll just go over these results really quickly and then I'll obviously send these to everyone uh tonight after the meeting. So you have them handy and I'm here to uh answer any questions that you may have. Okay. Uh so on Lime Street uh we did a speed study from 77 to a 7-Eleven. So a 5day study. Uh speed limit's 25 there. So any violation is 10 over the speed limit. So the violations are is anyone going 35 or higher. Okay. Um as you'll see, you have a ton of violations on Lime Street uh from our data. Say that again. Sorry. Did somebody have a question?

Oh, someone just coughed. That's all. Okay. Sorry. So if you really look at this number here, the violations, so on a daily basis, um you have 634 violations a day, which is uh over 3,000 for the week, which is uh we do a lot of speed studies. Um that's a lot of violations. That's a big issue. Is that is that look like what you had before or any questions? Does it seem high? Does it seem low in your estimation?

I I would just comment um um that uh the first select woman shared um a speed camera that the town also had a line street and I we just got that data hot off the press today. So I'd be curious to see if that was what you saw you found.

Absolutely. I would love for you to share that with me if you can. So, that'd be great great data to have. But, uh, you know, lot a lot of vehicles, but this is this is a lot of violations, you know. Um, yeah, any anything over 500 in a day is a lot. So, all right, I'll go to the next one. This is Shore Road. Uh, I'm going to assume this is somewhere close to the water if I recall. Uh if you kind of look at the violations on Friday, they really jumped up a lot. Um so I don't know if people are coming into town, leaving town, but uh kind kind of the same issue to be honest with you. Um obviously the speed limit is higher. Uh so this is anybody going 40 or higher these violations, which obviously much more dangerous because uh the speed limit's 5 miles an hour higher. Um, so that threshold is higher for these violations. Uh,

go ahead, Marty. It's Martha Shoemaker. Can you tell me where that camera was on Shore Road? Um, I can after the call. Yeah, I can send that to you. I can send you There are sections of Shore Road that are 45 miles per hour. That is a state road. That's correct. Um, but yeah, where it was placed was where it's 30. So, but I will send that where they place the tubes. Absolutely. Okay. There's actually a lot of variation. There's actually I know but that's not I mean we can bring it to the attention of do okay go ahead.

Yeah. So just again uh repeating the same issue as before lot of violations 565 a day. That's a big problem. All right. And then the last I I'll show you the other three but they're they're not you don't have issues there. So, um, this is Four Mile River Road. Oh god, I thought I spelled road wrong for a second. Uh, is that correct in the way I labeled that? I hope so. Okay, great.

Uh, so same thing. Uh, almost 400 on a daily average. Uh, the speed limit there is 35. Uh, I can again let you know where they were placed. Um, but you know, lot of violations considering you're only, you know, you're under 4,000 vehicles. You know, 400 a day is a lot. So, yeah, it's the same guy going back and forth. That's right. Oh, boy. Well, I'm sure he's certainly counted every day. And that's funny. Well, we'll have to catch him someday or whoever it is, you know. So,

yeah. Okay, I'll go through the next three really quickly. Um, hopefully you can see there were no The good news is these did not have really, you know, Boston Post Road, you had less than 100 a day, 84 a day. That's the speed limits higher there. Um, it is surprising. Did you think it would be higher or lower? I I did think it was it would be higher because that's where I I live on the Boston Post Road. Oh yeah, that's right. But um the other person the other company that did the study also said that Boston Post Road wasn't an issue. I I just I don't understand it. I see them whizzing by.

Yeah. I mean, are these studies done all all day or just a like 9 to5 or something like that? Oh, no. They're all day. They're all day. Yeah. 24 hours a day for five days. And I mean to your point, you know, if if the vehicle count was lower, yeah, I guess I I don't know that road myself, but yeah, that's a lot of traffic, a big vehicle count. Um, so you would think these numbers would be higher when you look at some of the other numbers, but the fact that the speed limit's 40, you know, they have to be going 50 or higher for us to count it as a violation, right?

Yeah. Some other things to take into consideration would be is if there was an accident on 95 on any of those days, which would have increased your traffic vehicle count tremendously and also would have kept the speeds down because basically they're sitting in bumperto-bumper traffic, right? Um because that and that's also a state road. Boston Post is also wrecked one. Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is on Friday, look at the vehicle count. how high it went up. That's why I think if that was a Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was an accident that Friday. Yeah, must have been. It's always on Friday, it feels like. And okay, I'll go to the next one. Oh, sorry.

Wait, do you know if this was going north or south? I mean, is the camera put up on both sides going north and south or just one way? So, it's it's not it's not a camera. We just simply use tubes. Yep. So, it's capturing both. It's birectional. So, if it's two lanes in both directions, we're capturing everything. Okay. Yep. Uh, Mil Creek Road, uh, pretty low. Might be. It's Mile Creek. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I spell I just No, that's fine. It's Mile Creek. We know it. My bad. Those are low numbers, though.

That's because the school's under construction, so people are avoiding it. you know, if if you would like at some point, we're happy to circle back when that's completed and and do another study if that would help. All right. The last one was Smith Neck Road. Those are really low, too. Also, not that many cars. Not a lot of cars. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't mean, you know, still, you know, any numbers too high, but Yeah.

Yeah. So, that's uh let me see. Let me escape. Give me one second. So that's you have three locations uh in my opinion that are huge issues. You have a big speeding problem there. I I I'm sure you feel the same way about those three locations. The other three um you you don't really have big issues there, right? I mean, speeding is still speeding, but you know, these violations are also they're not going five over, six over. Um, you know, they're going at least 10, 11 over, maybe even higher. So, last time I was there, I actually saw, and look, I'm not a radar, but right in front of basically, I guess it's town hall, I saw someone,

and you had a radar sign up that day, a feedback sign that shows their actual speed. Uh, I saw somebody rolling through there pretty fast. So, I don't know where they were headed, but they were rolling. So, I have a quick question for you, which kind of relates to the discussion we had, and I think I know the answer, but I wanted to ask you, as far as the the state's new uh electronic speed enforcement program, can municipalities put um enforcement cameras on state roads? You can't. You can't. You mean you have to get permission?

That's right. So, so we would work with you to submit all the paperwork. We have several jurisdictions like um Milford what they they've submitted their paperwork. Um but we would help with that paperwork. Um yeah, you'll have to have some other data outside of these speed studies, but these speed studies really help with showing that there's a speeding problem. So, um but yeah, absolutely you can. Uh when we when we met with you before, you talked about kind of being relatively new to Connecticut. Are you working with any of the municipalities other than Milford that you're able to say?

Oh, we're working Well, currently I'm working with a ton of jurisdictions in Connecticut. Uh I will tell you that uh and I think everyone knows we were one of three vendors that were selected for the um capital region the COG contract. Uh so that gives you purchasing power directly uh from that vehicle. Uh but we've also we won Fairfield, we won Milford also. Um, and then I'm, you know, whether it's speed studies or working on an ordinance or working on a public hearing, uh, we're working with a lot of jurisdictions in Connecticut right now. Okay. Yeah.

Well, I think we can say goodbye for now. Oh, no. Man, that was quick. I But I know you all are busy, so I don't want to keep you. Amanda, I'll follow up and uh with the uh locations of the cameras. Sorry, locations of the speed study, not cameras. Um and then also uh this information that I showed you guys today, I I'll That would be fantastic. We would really appreciate it. Awesome. And if you anyone ever has questions, you know how to get a hold of me. So, do thank you so much, Marty.

Take care, everyone. Bye. Bye. Now, Amanda, if somebody and you can do it from your phone, but somebody should call um the number on your agenda. Do you have one a number on your agenda? I don't think we Oh, yeah. We should. So, I don't want to do it because I'm going to have to go downstairs, but if somebody will dial in by phone, you give dial the number, then this will stay recording and you'll get a transcript of your minutes.

So, we can send you the transcript. which helps note takingaking even better. See where it says dial by phone 23. And then you're going to have to punch that other number in ID number. I can't wait.

Good. And then just mute your phone and you're good. Do I see? I don't know how to do Oh, okay. Thank you so much. Yeah. Sorry.

So, we're all set with it all. I guess we um I'm pleased that our first select person has joined us today. Uh I had said last time I was going to send out a kind of a spreadsheet. I it's kind of become a document but I but I have it done but it needs some revision because we asked Martha a number of questions that she responded to and uh I think this would be a great opportunity for her just to kind of go through some of those points. And if I could take off a point and then you mind talk about it. So recording clerk or secretary.

Right. So we just this week we had one recording for resign. We had and we had a new hire. So um so our new hireer was hired last week. She's had no training and she's never been author before. I think that I said um to that we have about six to eight committees that are don't have a recording secretary yet. They are PE groups that may or may not choose to have one, but they all have it in their budgets or one. Some of them turn the back the money every single year. They just don't do it. Nobody does it. So once I go through the people at the top of the get down because you are on the bottom because you were a newer committee we're going through. I lost my recording clerk. You lost your recurring clerk for open space. So now it's like asking the new person what days or nights do you have available because you all usually meet at the same night of the week, same week and same time. So,

would it be helpful if next year we move it to a different day? Like, well, I don't know. Like, WPCA has a clerk. They meet tonight and um Harbor Management has a clerk. So, they're not in contention with you. They have clerks on this night. So, it's not that. It's more like the hire does she have available Tuesday nights? So, we will chat with her and we've got to do some training with her. So, we have some practice tapes that we're going to send her home with a cassette and she's going to do some practice minutes for us so that we can But I bet I could speak for all of us that if it would be more helpful to move to a different day of the week in order to get said new person, right?

Then we get it. So be it. W to Tuesday. I understand that would be till January. Yes. No, I I get it. But you know,

right? I just want you to know that there are many committees. I mean, I went through every committee and checked who was assigned to them and then who actually is the recording secretary and there are many people who have someone on their committee do it and then they just they're not even compensated for it. They just do it because they're a committee, not a commission. The commissions get first dibs. Okay? And there's one well now there's three commissions. Selectman doesn't have a recording clerk. Open space and conservation don't have recording secretaries. at the moment. So, they get first dibs because they're like under Connecticut General Statutes. So, we'll find out. We'll do more. I am here tomorrow and Thursday and then I'm in Monday and then I'm gone for my son's wedding. So, everything is going through email and not so many meetings, but we'll we'll work it through and you hopefully we'll have an answer for you in September. Um the the other thing another thing I asked Martha about was speed humps and um we we I know have talked about that. We've looked at them at other towns and so forth. Uh I wanted to know if there was any monies budgeted within the overall town uh appropriation. uh and also uh how would we basically build support from uh the emergency people, the people that might have some push back on that. When we were leaving, I think when we were leaving a open space bidding last month, Andrew and I met Mike McCarthy who's in the fire department. He said, "Oh, I hate those things." He says, "You guys want to see what they're like? I I'll take you on a ride with a firet truck down whites beach. So that's his attitude. And then the last thing I I

was curious about uh was what role the historic district commission might play on this road here. So basically the myself is our thing. Um so if you want to have this you need to have backup from public works emergency services that's the ambulance this fire departments um of where you're going to put it or where you want to put it. Um and then you come and you make a recommendation to the board of selectmen. Board of selectmen discuss it. Um definitely if you have a letter of um approval from any of those any place that would be helpful. So we have this that's not the emergency services.

No no no. Does does that have any weight that almost like all but two people who live on this road have said

let me get to that after because this is just feed homes and then Jack Greg's second part of the question was how much authority does the historical district have on Lime Street for if we wanted to put one there and basically I've had Eric Knap check through the ordinances the zoning regs and the historic district regs um he doesn't have any verbiage that they have any authority over the safety measures that we put on this road. They will have they do have the right to provide their thoughts. That's it. Um so they do not. So basically we would be looking this is exactly what we did with Sound View. We asked them what we could they they came to us and asked for one speed hump per road in the summer. I think that was it was when I was on as a select person. So, it's been in the last three and a half years that they asked for those and they have them put in um around Memorial Day and then taken out around Labor Day after Labor Day. Those are temporary ones and um they purchased them and they had put three more additional ones in their budget for this year. So, they'll have two on each road next summer going forward. Um they have do not public works does not do it. They have someone down there who's done them for I don't know if he had a career of getting into speed but he is the one who watches and make sure that they go in every year correctly.

Okay. So that's that. So sounds like they were successful if they want more of them. Yeah.

Um they do. It's not I mean like Greg said, White Sands has them. That's a private re. It's It's not ours. Um they they have and I I got to tell you, they I was like I was really impressed. They've got like this little not only the bumps, but they've got these things in the middle of the road. Stay in your lane. And I was like, this is like just it's like going to a big concert, man. you are staying in your lane to park or whatever. So you are not whizzing down that road. Um the only question I would have is on Brighton Road is is this more of a seasonal problem or is it seen year round?

Seasonal problem. When Greg and Jeff were here last week, um their ideal situation would be the speed bumps that are removable. You know, they're seasonal. It's really once the beach club traffic dies down then it could be right. Okay. So that I totally understand that and I have asked for additional um and I know they were there one night especially Thursday nights because I believe that's their dinner night. They have a dinner and there's more traffic on that particular night. And I have had somebody a police officer but that night it was extremely good behavior. So they might have known he was there. The Thursday nights are not as busy as they used to be.

No. So there's not as much traffic. Can I ask a question? Sure. In regards to Well, one thing I would mention is that seems to me white sands have speed bumps versus humps. They're they're the ones more jarring. Yeah, they are very very slow down. Yeah. But but but I wanted to ask you in ter of the regarding the budget. We have the $1,000 you mentioned which is essentially going to be enough for one one item

and and I'm not clear in my mind whether this committee should be requesting budget funds for something like that as an advisory committee as opposed to a line operating unit within the government. I mean, I was told at the finance meeting, you know, if you need more and you have an actual plan to come and ask for it. It's it but it's beyond the level of appropriation. It's it's who is appropriate who would be appropriate to receive these monies and carry through on the work.

Well, so for something like this, for example, we have $1,000. You say we come to you and say we'd like to put one on Brighton Road for example. Would we then go to Ed and have him his guy do it and pay it or knowing Ed you pay? I'm just curious about how the services installing

appropriate way to go. the stalling of the the installation services sort of are covered under through public works whether he calls the guy who does them for sound view or whatever but it's just a nice Samaritan who likes the town and he can do something and you know he gets a couple of public works guys they go down they put them in probably takes them I don't know an hour and a half because they've got it down now it's easy public works the doors the bumps, humps, bumps, whatever they are, over at public works with all the hardware, then they just bring them over one day and they just put all I think there's six because they come in pieces. Um, so if you were to recommend this, you would you would first of all you be extremely selective because once they put the school the holes in for to put the bolts in. We're not moving it from spot to spot to spot. It has to stay there because it really wrecks havoc with the pavement. They have plugs that they put in for the winter so that water doesn't get in and you know Ed's crazy about his roads here for a second. Sorry.

You can interrupt me anytime. You don't it's it's my impression and correct me because I haven't looked into it as perhaps somebody else in this community have humps versus the bumps are are more of a permanent installation. The ones I've seen in New Haven, for example, that have a a rise, they're they're asphalt. They're part of the roadway now. That's not something you can blow up seats over. They have table.

Yeah. But they also have removable tables, humps and bumps. Every version there is both a permanent version and a home version. Permanent. The thing that I'm unaware of are the specific humps that have the dips for emergency vehicles to move into the center of the lane to miss them. I don't know if those are removable or if those are permanent. We'd have to look into that. But they exist now because people have said there needs to be a way for ambulances, in particular fire trucks, to not go over them. And so they do exist.

So one of the things that you could do is have a manufacturer or a supplier distributor come explain the differences to you and give you the all the options that would be available for a town of this size. So let let me ask you a specific practical question then. So, we have the monies for one now. Uh, with the budgets that go on. Well, is that the one base? You're basing your price though on Frankalardos. But they I've sent you that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but so, right. So, that's what it was based on that he

I I asked him a follow-up question of like what did this actually mean? Cuz he said it was like three end units and and then it was just 37 pieces or whatever. So, I was like, I don't. And that was the 6,000 or you know the majority of the $6,000. So like does that mean it's essentially three bumps because of the end units? And he didn't respond to that. But if it's three humps or bumps or whatever for 6,000, you know, that doesn't sound crazy to me. If it was for one, 6,000 is way out of our league. I'm sure it's he's giving you the quote that he got right

from for this year for three. Oh, for three. So that's what I that's what I assumed because of the end unit, but yeah, I I he didn't shop around. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And I'm not saying shopping around means you're going to get something cheaper or whatever, but when you have someone who, you know, like ultimate, if they think they're going to come in and they're going to hook you in and you're going to do one speed bump next year, but you might do seven the next year, they're going to give you the attention and the pricing that you need on that first one to get it installed. I I I didn't want to get into the price. My question was more process. So we have monies in this fiscal year. You could come and ask

for the next fiscal year. Should if we decide more than what this will afford us is still leaving in town. We would request funds for that. Again, we would be the person asking for those funds. Yes. Okay.

Yep. You would ask make a recommendations have the recommendations approved and then you can put them in the funds. Okay. I mean you know that every time at budget season there's always somebody who tries to sneak up and buy us that is not nothing to do with anything they ever asked for. But yes, can I ask a process question? I don't know a lot about small town politics but so obviously the emergency vehicles are are consideration. We have to think about that. So what if those two gentlemen say we really don't want these? Do we get to say we understand your considerations but we it's in the better interest of our town to go ahead and do it. How is that power based? That's where the board of selection as the local traffic authority has to weigh it out.

Okay. So you have to weigh out the pros and cons. I think one of the things that would be helpful is to know how many calls they have in that room. So let's just say you wanted to do um a call on you wanted to put one on street. How many calls? I mean, well, we shouldn't pick Lime Street because there's a um but and don't pick Cross Lane because they leave there too. I think what you do is you pick a road maybe like Brighton or some other street that you're concerned about and you think, well, how many calls did you put in in that section of town?

Who do we get that from? You can get that from request it from I'm not sure I we just got some information the other day something about like all calls all the information goes to the state as to where their phones are. I'm sure Mike McCarthy, John Duddy, um, uh, Rob McCarthy, somebody has their local the local information. And, and so with Pete Ross, the ambulance, um, I know that it's harder to get anything from the police department because that does go through the state police and that's a freedom of information act. That's going to take you 6 months to 8 months to get it in place. I want to move on past homes, but I just want to make one point, Mary, is that it's such emergency vehicles. Believe me, Dante is plows are a consideration to

Yeah, I forgot that. Yeah, but if they're removable, you remove them before winter. Yeah. Yeah. So, I can still 4 in of snow last year. Oh, yeah. I used my snow once each of the last two years. So if you throw it away, I I asked Mark about speed hammers. We have apparently three up now. We have the data from them that I think I shared with you today. Uh we also had the town received an offer if you might. We did. We're taking them. They're coming tomorrow. Okay. I'm thinking what what

So the T2 school, which is transportation and something I forgotten what it's called, but it's called the T2 school. It's housed at Yukon. They do a lot of training for public works etc. We um were offered two more speed cameras and seven years of service on the cloud for servicing our data. So two more will be installed tomorrow. I mean they won't be installed tomorrow. They're coming tomorrow. They have to be installed within four months or we lose them. and um the the state chooses the first two spots for them based on their data that they've collected. So they are certainly collecting the data from reports from accidents, speeding, uh anytime calls from emergency vehicles. So they're basing it too on data that they collected. So he's coming tomorrow. He's asked that Ed or somebody from his department be here and somebody from uh and they're coming at noon. Sean Barry is coming at noon to deliver the two. We put them up. Then after having them up for about a month, then we're free to move them around like we are with the cameras that we have.

Will they installed tomorrow? No. Yeah. So when when they come up Yeah. I when you sit down barrier is coming. Yeah. I didn't think that would be quite quite a good turnaround. I I would I think it would be really interesting for the committee to have a sense of what their criteria analysis is for the locations they pick. If they if Sean Barry or somebody could kind of share that with us, it would be helpful. I think he hasn't told me where he wants them yet. Yeah. So, I have no idea. He may not know. So, we will be able to pull up that data from the cloud. They don't know who who give it to. Um,

so Martha, you said they have to stay in that spot. They decide for how long? About a month. He said one month because they want to record the data that they're seeing once they have it too. So they probably have access to our cloud as well for that particular c those two cameras. Um, and then we are allowed to put it anywhere. We are also we can go to they do provide you with the forms for DOT if you want to move them. These are not ticketing cameras. They are just the ones that say No, they're wired. They're wired. Like the ones we have the um one on McCertie that is solar powered is in the shade. That's not solar powered. Oh, it's not.

No, the three that I Where did I said I told you the lines? Sometimes it works and sometimes it's it's not lime. It's mccertie still and lime. The other one it says lime. We started with line one. Yeah, the line is No, the three the three cameras. Yeah, it look the upper right. Okay. Sorry. Um there Okay. Lime Street. I haven't seen the one on Lime Street. I don't know where it is. It's down by the street. Okay. So, that's the one telling you how fast. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it today.

Okay. So, Sill Lane, Lime Street, and Mccur. That's where your three are right now. They're going to give us two more locations. The ones that are out there are the actual ones that are wired. They go they're wired. They're solar powered. Mccertie doesn't you doesn't always work. Ah, that's the trick one. That that's what they do. They turn it off sometimes. So, you're still collecting data. Got it. It's still collecting you. You're just not knowing what you're doing. I do have a question about like the McCertie one and other ones. Who chose where they are?

Uh the police. Okay. Because the McCertie one is on an uphill turn necessarily people are slowing down there. Like if you had put it closer to Duck River, then people are going downhill flying or they're going slightly uphill but a straightaway flying rather than a turn. Cuz a turn everyone's going to be. It's right after the golf course. Yes, it is. It goes It's right at the little house, the gatekeeper's cottage. Oh, yeah. The end. That's a That's a curve. It's a curve down. Yeah. A curry. Yeah. I don't see that as a curve. It's a straightaway.

No. No. I drive that every day. They're It's only coming from the train tracks into town. It's only one camera and it's only going one way, right? And so that's going uphill on the curve. I mean we can agree to disagree. I maintain that that is how do you how do you see that as a hill? I agree it is up I mean it's what like we can debate what a hill is but you are the one traveling up your elevation is gaining.

I wouldn't see that. I was just curious as to who chose it because I feel like because that's where they see the most people coming out probably from the fact that the in seasonal the golf course, pickle ball, tennis courts, there's a lot of activity. I'm a hurry going that way and that's probably why they throw it. Okay. cuz I'm and every day I mean I can just tell you it's like at 8 between 8:30 and 9:00 it's like we're visor people are coming in everybody comes mccertie I live yeah I know

and everybody comes to work that way yeah but it's not going to work I mean we have the list was the signs I notic we have a stop sign in our comm my neighborhood which for the last one was completely illeible. So, do you wanted to comment on that? He's he we had um he went around and he did put up some new speed signs um mostly on Sill and then we got complaints from Silang. Oh, no. They're not happy. But you added just two. No, we took there were you replaced some

I think you replaced but well there were five there were signs but he noted that there were um two 30 mph signs and there were three 25 mph signs. So Ed said three wins 25 everybody's getting 25 and we have gotten phone calls why did you change our speed limit to 25 and 30? Well, he's got to explain it. That's why the actual speed lift. I did. I explained it exactly way. I said Ed went out and I said and he took a while driving down. But we asked him to do that.

Yeah. Yeah. But he when he went out, he doesn't have his list with him. He just went out with his signs and his truck and his guys and said, "We're better than why are there why are there I think there's a total of five signs now that say 25 miles per hour,

right? The 30 was random and it would go from like a stretch of, you know, an eighth of a mile 25 to 30 like it was just so random, right? And so I'm sure what happened was a sign fell down. They took whatever they had in the shop and put it up. That was who knows how many years ago, but now they're all 25. So yes, move one, which is sooner when you come on to sell. It's much better one. And it's wonderful. Yeah. Because that's the one that there's a law. There's a rule of when they have to be they have to be within so many feet of when you turn onto the road. And it's so he did follow that. Yeah. I'm kind of confused. What is the actual speed limit? This is part of the science. Correct.

The signs are right. Well, Ed says there 25. That's it. He's making He made that rule. So, he's I'm authority. Fine with that. That's what we asked for. So, I I I do have a question about signs. Uh I have a new request from a from a resident who has deer crossing over and wants to avoid death and destruction. Um, so to we didn't ask for it on our other science request. Do I do I have to do it in a more you know well it's I don't think we have one.

Okay. So I'll ask him but I do not think in his um and I would depend where it is because I know that you want speed signs but there are a lot of people in this town who adversely putting signage up. I mean, if you remember a few years ago, well, it was right after I got took office when they put those massive stop signs up on steroids on Smith Neck Road, Mile Creek Road, for uh Town Woods Road. Both sides. Both sides. I had a senior citizen say, "When did you make Town Woods a one-way road?" It was so nice. Is it one way?

Because they put them on both sides and they put big signs up on both sides of the road saying, "Stop ahead." And people started to think, "Oh, now it's on both sides. We can go wherever we want." No. Ed went out that next morning, took them down on himself. State got mad at him. I said, "You told you didn't do you didn't want them on both sides." They said, "Well, this is the way we're doing it." And then I had to write 17 letters. And I finally got them to agree to take them down. It's credit to the state. Those were posted on on actual town roads, not on on 156, but on the corners of the roads that they're coming out onto there and where they feel, and Amanda will agree, there have been accidents.

Oh, yeah. And we still have that lovely big yellow two arrow sign, which doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, but right in front of my house. But you know it it's just it's directing you that you can turn either way. I just Andrea questions as likeund 100 pass uh you know accidents a year saidn none of those accidents are caused by somebody coming out of Smith neck they are all caused by speeding on 156.

And she said I don't know why they feel putting the stop signs there. We are getting a new crosswalk there too. That crosswalk it's being replaced right right and those tall signs were intended for truck drivers which was the reason the height was when I had asked the state about it and it's Smith neck road town woods road where's where are trucks coming down onto Boston post or onto shore road there I see the coming from town woods and then turning it's they're doing all of it Yeah, they're doing all of it. So,

but basically, if I put in an email saying I request a deer crossing sign, you can request it and then we can see what the cost would be. What's the Okay. Um, you know, some children at play, those kind of signs. If you have a neighborhood where it's um you have children now and about Yeah. I mean, I think there's one on Jean Drive. We wanted one Jean Drive. Oh, there used to be one when my kids were little. Yeah, because this um the Chevy there I'm sure they were maybe in the road.

They had three or four kids, you know, that before. Yeah. I mean, David's 32. So I just wanted to I would suggest um Amanda that for that as as a matter of policy when we have them across like that we should just do it formally. That's what I was asking is that what is the formal that was my question. You can make a formal request to me and I'll put it on the board of good selectment agenda. Okay. To discuss um

and and I'll have to get some background in. So, if you send it to me like on a Wednesday and I had a board of selectment meeting on Monday, don't expect it to be on that agenda because I need to be able to provide them with what's cost going to be whatever. And I have to say that it's like I said, it's like so lame. Literally, I think Ed probably rolled off the street and the phone call and Michelle goes, "What did Ed do? What's on lane?" She was like, "Something's going on."

I beg signs. He um is near essence the back parking lot and he was outside and he and I had a long-standing relationship and I went by I don't know a couple of weeks ago and I said signs he said I promise I've got them I promise. Yeah. So there I mean the summer is insanely busy for these six guys. Six. And we had one had a baby. Somebody was out on thick weave and somebody got hurt stalling his ass. Yeah. The top line fell down. He had taken his gloves off and could put the bolt and the slime came down and sliced

cut through his nerves. He had to have s massive surgery.

So that's all he's back. But I said let's use the work gloves when we put up signs. But it's hard to hold bolts when you've got the work gloves on. I think that's I think that I think that education I talked about the educational me messages on safe driving you again would be responsible if you wanted to design something. Um I'd strongly suggest anything though that you want to do is high school for high school that you need to work with the high school and the school superintendent. Um they have an electronic message board at the high school that they change is the kids can read it through either if they're in the library or if they're in the comments. It's both there. It's posted and I think there's another one in a hallway. But those are the types of things that and if you work I'd again work with somebody like Steve Hackett, Dominic or Matt Weber because they know these kids. They've worked with them before. What's going to work? What's not? look at other towns, what types of programs they do. But again, the most important thing is to get in there and do a program. Um, you might be able to work. I don't know if they still offer driver's ed after high school. Um, but that was always a great thing when our kids were young that sometimes one of the police officers would come in and speak. But to talk about, you know, why do we want you to drive the speed limit here in town? Um, I think those are important. I think anybody that you can get, um, Steve Hackett's going to be doing DARE again with the kids for drugs. um and Mary Sidner for Lysb, see

what they can do, what types of programs you could put together a program and present it at the library lysb. Um you could provide some of these data to parents of new drivers to say, is your child about to start driving? Like look at the numbers and start to show them. Um I just had one of the police officers in today. videos, we have got to do something about ebikes. And I said, I know, but that's going to be a state wag. And by the way, if those bikes, the the really call them e scooters, the e scooters, they have to have a motorcycle helmet for those. And if they are under 16, they are supposed to be helmeted all the time. But if you see one of those kids without a helmet, you need to let them know. Send me if you know the kid's name because the police officers go to their houses, they go to the house, they talk to the parents.

Are you required to have a motorcycle helmet? Yeah. On the e scooters, the ones that go faster. Um, and the ebikes, you just have to have a regular helmet. But if you are 16 and under, you must be helmeted at all times on a bike. Can they go on the main roads? I saw some the other day. I was terrified. The scooters. Yeah. two young kids were flying down one. Some of them, it really depends on there are like some of those surrounding bikes that have been changed and they'll do 45 mph. Those are not legal inflated medication.

But there are class one, class two, class 3 bikes. Some require you to have a pedal and it's only pedal assist. Some have a throttle which is still legal in Connecticut. But it's really the speed and the power output. And a lot of them probably aren't legal, but I mean you'd have the police would have to know the exact model or testing. So we're talking about the scooters. They are not they still have to abide by the laws of the road and they are not speed copying millies all the way down street. Are scooters the same thing as mops? No. This looks like an electric bike, but it goes a lot faster. Yeah. That's the kid who rides up and down Boston Post Road one on one wheel

without without a helmet. And we all agree he's extremely talented. Yes, he's very good. We are also very afraid that he's going to flip backwards and he's going to end up a nice scope. He's definitely he's headed for an accident. Well, can we move on to Yes, you have to go three minutes because I have to go to board of finance. Well, we wanted to do the petition from Brighton. How's Brighton? Mr. Um Greg came and introduced the issue uh last meeting with uh Jeff also came but so there are 24 25 houses. So that would be Greg. Greg and Michael and then who's the other person? Uh Jeffrey Sandman. He's down at the I just

and the location that they put here of 37 and 64. Um the 37 is when Brighton Road um starts to narrow and then starts heading down the hill, small hill towards the beach club. And then 64 is I'm guessing probably close to the corner near the Bingham's house. Probably somewhere around there. Um is their proposed location if they also propose the speed of the 15. Um and install slow down signage. I think this is 21 households on this out of I believe. Um were the other four opposed?

I'm not sure if they were opposed or if they were just not see like they got eyebrow. He's usually not there. So maybe Yeah. I wonder if it's seasonal or maybe they were opposed. I'm not sure. Oh, the people who wrote in via our email, it was only like six, but there was one person who didn't want a bump, they agreed that there was a problem, but they were not necessarily hump or bump. Yeah. You know, positive, but the others were definitely like we want a bump. Yeah. It would be it's a seasonal problem.

Seasonal. Yeah. bumper movable. Um, and I know we were talking about pricing those. Um, I've gotten a lot of quotes, um, for work and they range between $1,200 to $3,500 a piece for a speed hump. Um, yeah, really depends on the manufacturer, but that's kind of what you're looking at. Yeah. For price. Well, thank you very much for that. S did you speak to some?

I did. Um and they heard me. I talked to um the current president. Um and I talked to Jay. Um Jay has put up a sign which my husband and I think needs to be bigger and in another position, but saying please respect our neighbors. Um slow down. Um that's all we were able to do. Um, I don't know what I I can get that sign changed. It's not in a good position and you can't really see it, but it needs to be bigger and it needs to be in a better position. And I think Jay will do that. And that's when they're leaving the parking lot. That's exactly

and Jude had said that too that they had reached out that she knew that they'd been spoken to at I mean you know not Jude but right behind us members um had been asked to be respectful. So, um I missed how many people have signed that live like what's the percentage of houses? So, 21 out of 25 houses. I'm not sure exactly where there's there's some duplicate on here for I just I didn't count the number of names. I count the number of or number of names I count in numbers.

Gregory had said it was all but two. That's what he said in his email was that was all. Yeah. And one of those 24 houses could be their address is not right road but on the corner of Shore Road. They are have shores and maybe they can and they agreed with all three things reduces. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Thank I think it's um more I know 30s aren't nearly as busy as they used to be. Probably morning weekend probably. Do you know if they're still doing weddings at the beach club on staying occasions? Not very regularly. Yeah. So, I think it's more of a weekend problem, but And they close. When when did they close? Right after late in October. Yeah. Yeah. So, unless there's a hurricane and they close earlier.

It seems to be I know a couple weekends ago was over there. My parents. So, um there was someone set up a lawn chair in front of their house and was yelling at cars. Oh, dear. Yeah. So, I saw them on the way and talked to them. used to do that on paragraph. Nancy Manfellow and I used to do that on sale all the time and invariably we knew who they were, you know, and we got to the point we're leaving.

Well, I had three boys and I had a neighbor who called me every single time they rounded the corner on two wheels to let me know. And then when her kids were older, my boys, she said, "Should we call her tell her that her ch children are also coming on?" I said, "No." I said, "I know you were." But um all right. I'm it. Just remember it's it's a everything is made a request for a recommend. This is our recommendation. Make sure that it is in your minutes that you have voted on it that it you have a vote, you have a tally so that there's backup information so you can say at our meeting on August 12th, whatever day it is, um, this was voted on and approved to be sent to the board of selection. Okay.

Um, because that just follows the trail through and then we will address it at a upcoming board of selection meeting. Um, if I need more information, if you want to do speed humps and bumps, and I don't think Frank has ordered his yet. I don't think the one for Brighton Road would be the same size, but I would be interested to know if he orders four versus three if it would change the price. Um, and even if yours is a different size, and I don't know how they measured, but they they probably do like bulk. Yeah. Well, bulk pricing is usually a thing. Well, anytime we've been buying power, yeah, it's all the better. So, um,

and like I said, if you need money from board of finance, we meet every month. Again, it has to go through board of selectman first as a recommendation that we send to the board of finance and then of hears it as well. And then if it's under 20,000, it doesn't have to go to town meeting. If it's over 20,000, it has to go to a town meeting. Okay? So, keep your buying power low. Okay, fantastic. Thank you very much. Thank you for uh answering all the questions that you're talking to us. Yeah, no problem. Let me know whatever comes about. Thank you. And I'll be here till 10. So So now Well, you I want to take uh I think lead on the survey results and because

No, I you don't. No, no, no. I I'm happy to talk about the surveys, but I don't think we finished Brighton yet. Have we? Did we? No. Well, so I think we have I'm curious to what everybody thinks of of the their three uh suggestions. Are we in favor of them? Do we want to make a recommendation as I think they know their their road. So,

it's a quiet road that doesn't have much impact on emergency services. It's not it's a dead end street. Um I don't think there's going to be too much impact, especially to public works because it'll be removed later. Um, and it's probably a good test road. I mean, I think I feel like this or Smith Neck are good test roads because they're not passroughs. They're just dead end streets. And I think if if the, you know, 90 something% say they want it, they should have a a saying. The one part of of their recommendation that I frankly unsure about is the 15 mile pump. So, I we have Is it 20 now?

20 now. 20 now. So we have 15 on on a may go onto a parallel street so it could speed and not break the law. So I think 15 is might Yeah. I mean I think I think that if you're if you're putting in bumps that's going to reduce you anyway. 1500 and it's I mean again it's just a it's a 15 foot wide what's the speed when you get to um like sands beach 15 or 10 but I will say those are real lumps again you have to slow down you're doing five minutes

but it feels that nar as narrowing as white sand so for me 15 makes sense because it is very tight well the most significant thing is that the vast majority of the residents want these to things. So, shouldn't we propose the three things that they want? It's sort of like and it's two speed humps. That does that sound about right for the It's not even on the beginning of the road. It's just when the road narrows that they want the speeds because there's less room and you can't pass someone in the section road. You have to go off the center on someone's front yard. So, it is very or into the bushes

or the bushes. Yeah. I I mean I just think that if almost everybody wants to see it reduced then who are we to say no it shouldn't be reduced that's how I yeah it's a good test then maybe spend next should thanks would someone want to make a motion then that we uh recommend to the board of selecting that they adopt these three steps sure I make a motion that we recommend the board select these three steps I second it. Okay. Any discussion? Okay. Second. We already did actually discuss it. So all in favor

I said unanimous opposed abstain. Okay. So I will add that to the minutes. Fantastic. So now we can move on to the for this speech survey um which was very successful. Yes. Well, I love bringing fun. It's just so many pages.

So, uh, a couple things I want to mention about that it's it's I I got I got one call from uh my favorite reporter who has my home phone now and is calling me know that I would care for with some kind of off-the-wall questions. like but I did not want to officially comment on this survey because I frank at the time that I spoke to the report I had not gone through all the individual comments and maybe in in the standardized questions maybe people say yes speeds are fine but we have we got as many as like 200 bespoke comments and maybe people in in there are going to basically have opposite point of view as We need to kind of go through those and see how they impact see if there there's any trends any any information about that. And the other other item is uh we all um looked at the survey. I think we all had a chance for you all had a chance to comment and we put in there if you want to talk to us further you can. 80 people took us up on that. Uh, and we have emails and phone numbers. So, I I talked to Cheryl Porter about that and she said,

I suggest to her, what would you think about, uh, emailing everybody that wants to talk to us further and say, uh, we understand that you got some additional information or additional thoughts you would like to share with us. Uh, would would you care to do so via email or would you prefer want want somebody to call you? Maybe we could cut down the number of calls somewhat. Can we have a meeting for all the people who wanted to talk to us? We have a meeting call a meeting for everyone. Say 80 people have wanted to discuss this. We'd love to meet with you and hear from you all if they want to all do that. I think that would be really

a tough meeting. I think that would be a you know it's interesting thing to try to do actually getting rid of a bunch of people in one day. I I think I I know nine people on here. Okay. So if if we divided the 80 everybody had 10 people to contact. I don't think that's that I think it's probably easier to do it like that than divided everybody in a room and everybody talk and hold each other. I think a little chaotic. Did we want to do that other than like public comment which we do have every meeting not for them all to come at the same time but to like do like a first come first serve public comment thing where we do five

I I think I think it would be help. My own thought is I I have no idea what people propose to to communicate but maybe someone just said I really want you to look at silk road it's not a safe road and that would be it. Right. Right. So it and if someone really has an issue that they're like the Bright and Road people certainly to have the opportunity to come and and attend the September meeting or whenever, right? Um just a quick note, not about the survey because we're already a little past 7. Next month we have to end at 7 because this room is going to be occupied. Okay?

So just so we keep that in mind. So, uh, if I were to, so we have a couple members that are not here. If I were to send that list around, uh, and just kind of go 1 to 10, 10 to 20 to everybody, would everybody be willing to send out an email and yes,

um, just identify yourself as a member of the committee. We understand. I I'll probably write up a little opening paragraph for happy to do that. and and uh um I'll if anybody wants to go through read the comments uh I I I can basically categorize those by different questions the the the issues that people had extra comments so I can send it out to so I will send out a number of stuff to all of you I I will update kind of our progress chart because that's new information that Martha just provided to plus and survey stuff. When we get that done, I think that'll give us an idea of how much behind us the town is and and see the president of the town wants to go from there.

Yeah. There's any kind of consensus. Yeah. Yeah. It's so compelling though all the other towns in Connecticut that are moving up on this, right? It's happening. Yeah. I I think I think within a few years you're going to see a pretty good percentage of talents going into electronic speed enforcement. Uh you know it was interesting that that one of the questions I was asked was why is a small town like old doing this rather than like a a big city like Middletown or or Harvard or whatever crazy I didn't want that could be a little bit of a trap. I didn't want to say the fact that we don't we have a small police force but that is the reason. Yeah. And also because we we have speeding just because we're small. Yeah.

And we have a small police force that spends the entire submarine in one place. I mean, if someone's speeding, they're going to speed getting on 95 on 95 and getting off 95 at all time. They're going to speed everywhere they go. Yeah. All right. So, I I don't have anything else. Don't have anybody else? No. The only thing I was would be interested in finding out, which we will never find out because it'll take too long for the police, would be I know there's at least three um larger accidents that caused road closures in the last month, including ours.

Yeah, that one too. The one over here, and then the one on Boss Road um just passed the Ottabon Power. Um, I would it would be interesting to see if they determine the speed of welcome back in those or if not, but I'm sure that'll take forever. Well, can we submit employer request now and just wait six months or

they would Yeah, they would have probably turned in the background by now. I didn't see one. I can't imagine that that just slowly. Yeah. Well, if you submit a freedom information request with the police, it'll take like a half a year or a year. Just one one quick process question before we close. In in terms of the recommendation to the Boris selectman, do we need to say that we recommend that two temporary speed bump signals be put up? Do we need to get into any cost figures, do you think, or I don't think so because then they're going to vote of whether they even will do it. Yeah. And then and then you find out how much it costs. Okay. Because yeah, I think that's a down line. I just want to

I think so. Do you want to try for the next board the next meeting? Is that involved to present something with the next meeting? The next meeting is next Monday. I think we would Do you want to like me to I I mean I I can write an email, you know, like to do this. Yeah. Just say that we voted. Yeah, we voted. We'd like to do it. Yeah. 8 and may and maybe Yes. And maybe it'll res 24. Yeah. I just have one last question. Where are we with the um control um speed cameras? What more information are we gathering? Where

for this the speed enforcement? Mhm. Um, we are collecting speed data from the vendors and from our cameras and so forth. Uh, I I hope that we'll have somewhat of a sense of how the community may react from the survey. Uh, and and then I think the next next thing we need to do is is uh decide if that's something we want to recommend. uh decide uh if we want to pick a vendor uh and did have you seen the the u application resume? No.

Yeah, I can send that to you. It's it's pretty detailed. It I think it would be stretch the capacity of this committee obviously to fill that out because didn't they say they would do that? Yes. Yeah.

Because they know it would stretch the capacity of this committee. And and I mean that's I'm I'm glad that that they were one of three uh vendors chosen by an independent agency. And I and I did speak to the woman that reviewed the the three reviewed I think six companies applied. Uh they chose three and six and I think she'd be u amenable to maybe process and so forth. I I just send out every I will send out the D application to everybody.

Okay. And then who's in the running besides Ultimate? Well, we talked to three. We talked. So, everybody we spoke to still in like no one was but Blue has really disappeared like literally off the face of the earth. He has not communicated. Oh, it's Logix and Ultimate and Praic Logix also has not I mean they they were mentioned a couple of times in a couple of these, you know, the articles and whatever. So, they're obviously still out there and the last they said was we're not going to charge you for cameras. Um, but they also have not been in touch because I think they thought like, okay, they're not interested in us.

The other thing, I think it would be helpful, happy to do this as well, is to find out who the other towns are using. Um I I I think traffic logic might be one of them. It has at least three or four towns and e was it Washington was too many. Yeah. And he mentioned Fairfield and Milford. Yeah. So

okay. So that blue blue line was out. I think I think he is because he was really, you know, he was really in everybody's face like every selectman, you know, like he was all over the place and sending things and then he just disappeared and like Martha said, he hasn't contacted her. He'sn't been in contact at all. So, I think he's I think he's done. I I missed that presentation because of the conflict. Did did he was he with the company or he just he somewhat associated with them or

didn't he wasn't entirely forthcoming in saying that he was with the company but he didn't he didn't disassociate himself but he was he basically came at it as like I'm just a citizen I'm just trying to help that was his main thing. Oh and I happen to work for a company that does this. So, uh, if I would like to email Ultimate to ask questions, would you prefer that I just do it and then send you if they respond anything or to CC the road? Why don't you Why don't you CC road and public safety? That way there's a trail, don't you think? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I I think uh you're going to have questions for open. Well, I yeah, it's it's the data protections and safeties and particularly who the manufacturer is because if it's flock is manufacturing, I think what suggests Sophie is you jot down your questions. Yeah, I sent it to the I sent the public safety email last month, a big long thing. And rather than

Oh, that it was like right before the meeting. Yeah. and and rather than than than contacting all of them individually that we whatever questions you have we can look at it maybe we have some other questions that somebody else would we could ask all of them the same questions and and and uh see how it responds. I think your questions your your questions about data and manufacturing all that are are great topics but I think we should do it on more. Sure. So should I resend it to you too? I leave it in the road in public. I'll I'll dig it up and I'll send it. I haven't seen them. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the issues, too. I mean, I would love to get rid of the email responsibilities if you wanted it. But, you know, if you want me to do it, I can do that.

Okay. Um, I just just have to figure out cuz, you know, it wants you to sign in every damn time. And sends a text to me. Um, so that's that's one of the town's Twilight Zone areas. I just so so even though I say please pause for 30 days. Martha said we if there's co-chairs co-chairs should share access to that but with a twostep authentication you can't you can't yeah because it's always texting me with the number. Yeah. And when you log on can you stay logged on? No. Yeah I can't for like maybe a day and that's it. It says and then don't send me again for 30 days.

But it doesn't do that. And it also for me it has I log in, I get the text and then it says you've just logged out. So I have to do it all over again. Yeah, it's it's not fun. But you know you are a first. Okay. So Amanda Yeah. who and we all work to turn away. Thank you. Uh it's se sorry 7 13 13.