Road and Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

I have 602 respect woman uh has joined us. Uh she has a busy day here at town hall that she putting long hours today and she has to leave a bit early. So let's start and people come in join the meeting in progress. So I have to go home though just to go to another meeting. Yeah. Call the meeting to order. What time do you have? 602. 602. Okay. Great. And I'd like to to ask quickly uh if someone would make a motion to approve the minutes of the Marching

move. Second is there any corrections? Any comments on those minutes? Okay. So let's vote. All in favor accept the minutes opposed abstaining. So the minutes are adopted. I don't see anybody from the public on online. Do you There's nobody online but okay. We do have a is today gentlemen if you'd like to introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your background then you may be perspective.

Sure. Okay. So I'm John Fled um from 20 Saunders Hollow Road since April of 1993 around April May. Um I I spoke with Martha when she came around to the homes um earlier in the year around about um some vehicles coming through on Saunders Hollow at quite high speeds and and certain things going on in town. Um I've had I mean we're at 25 mile zone there and there's been vehicles going by about 70 at times.

So interested in one of the signs like the like so has I know something anyway. Um but I'm an IT engineer retired background. Perfect for us. Great. um under our proceedings interesting and and not

so I wanted to start off by just doing a quick run through of what's been going on in the state uh because one of the things we've been doing is talking to other towns uh that are in similar situations to us are considering some of what towns are going through or think that we have faced or we may face in the future. So DOT uh had added plans since we last talked. There's the newest uh cleaning be added uh to an approved automatic traffic safety enforcement device or camera is Winchester or Winstead. uh they have three plans under review and there are a number of towns a good number of towns that are in the process of of working towards um submitting the application to do. Another bill of interest is is uh House Bill 5464 uh which would uh ask the Department of Transportation to conduct a test uh speed camera enforcement program on interstate highways. the that bill passed the transportation committee. Um Christine Cohen was one of the committee heads said DOT official officials presented an incredibly compelling data showing that we have a speed fatality related problem in Connecticut. Uh for Deon Carney's office the bill has passed the committee uh and it's on the house calendar and she was not sure if going to be heard this session or not. up to Speaker Ritter to make that determination. Uh should the bill pass, uh DOT would in consultation with um department of basically the state police uh would pick

locations on our highways. Uh the signs would be mounted, the cams would be mounted from uh January 2027 to December 2028. uh DOT would have to report back by February 2029 on uh whether uh they would recommend that it be uh full scale uh continuing program or not. I'm sorry. It goes to the it's a one year or twoear one year.

One year. Okay. Uh and uh basically the the parameters of that program are basically what what a regular program would do in terms of signage notice and so forth. Uh that that uh DOT would have to let people know where it is. They'd have to let the GPS people know that there's the camera coming up and so forth. So and the and the uh fines and ticketing procedure is basically identical

to existing law. Uh also u the state awarded $12 million in grants for production infrastructure including $800,000 to discount. uh and I mentioned that uh is as I was looking at the community grant and and one of the program u possibilities would be kind of something you were looking into romary basically working on sidewalks pavement markings speed humps and stuff uh around school systems so we're not ready to do that yet but that may the time to consider in the future to to maybe do a test program around one of the schools maybe creek school which people recommended the survey that we do something for. Uh I also talked to uh Chief Glenn from East Line and Martin Plank who uh man that man that I know and now Martin knows he works for Ultimate. Uh so East Line board for one person and police department work with Ultimate. uh they passed an ordinance and Ultimate is working with them now uh to prepare an application to DOT uh when they get a little further in the process kind of interesting u then on it they're going to have a public hearing to basically indicate the locations where they would like to place the cameras to give the public a chance to basically

have an input have an input on that that Yeah, I in talking to Chief Glenn um he he mentioned in particular that he thought one of the real problem areas in town was route one uh in mention group one quickly later too. So that that's you know obviously roadway and perhaps a problem that both towns share. Great. I'm sorry but did he say how many camera seats do when they're going to they're ask for three.

Okay. And they're also um I don't know exactly what their plans are, but they're going to additionally ask for red light cameras. And an interesting thing too is is the one uh selectman who voted against it uh said the cameras risk becoming a overreaching pool of excessive surveillance. Uh so town attorney Tracy Collins was asked about whether the information the cameras collect would be a public record or not. And she her response in the paper was the jury's out on that. She said that the companies running the programs have said they are private and owning the data. The information is not a public record. Uh public record is quote a record held kept by a public agency. So I think that's an issue that will be discussed and and provided with a little more specificity in the future. Another town in this area is Grton City which was also planning use of ATSD. The town also has passed an ordinance. Um the police chief says she hopes that the cameras can produce a 90% reduction in reckless driving speed related accidents in town. They're going to put them on Clarence Shark Mitchell and Bame Streets. Um the police chief said one of the reasons he favors that is that devices operate 24 hours a day in all weather uh which the police department uh probably would have a hard time enforcing at that level. Uh and the police department said despite the

cameras being there, they're still going to go out and take it for speeding at those locations, other locations as well. So it's not a substitute, it's a it's a supplement and an additional capacity for the police card. Again, they made a note as with east line that to tell the public these are not flock cameras they don't capture license plate data and have that data available side of the area. Greenwich uh interestingly enough was one of the early towns I think. Did you speak to them Andrew? think we may recall off hand.

Okay. Uh and I know that Fred Gast did uh interestingly enough uh last week they temporarily suspended their program because apparently even though they got approval from DFT, they have not met all criteria uh for running a program. They're going to go back and do what they need to do and then be start the program up again. Also, there was an interesting It was a little different things that that towns run into operating these programs that apparently snow plows knocked down some of the warning signs in Middletown and the state law says you must have warning signs before the cameras. Uh Chief Costa said we're going to take us anyway. Uh he said that the uh has let the the city residents and users of the road uh know on multiple occasions that there these are where they are. uh and uh well publicized and there are multiple signs beside the the sign suggesting there are cameras coming multiple signs showing what the speed limit is by all the locations where there's cameras mounted so there's no excuse for people speeding

middle town has has really tremendous um impact with by those speed camps. Um they have issued close to 90,000 tickets and going to $2.5 million. Um of the 24,000 drivers who contested their tickets and these are mostly early on only 58 had their tickets dismissed. So the program has been pretty accurate. 240 24,000 people own 58 got their tickets.

And how much income have they revenue have they put? 2.5 million. Wow.

Room 66 for 1.8 million of that. That's and uh that's all I got for that. One of the reasons I I did this is there's a lot of uh a lot of articles in in the newspapers and I'm a little bit apprehended about copying and sending a lot of that stuff because most of the material is copyright in some cases if I subscribe to a publication and I can get a a limited number of articles I can share them up I'll send those along but some of these are not. So I'm just basically picking and choosing similar content that the other thing I wanted to mention is is an issue that we've been banning about for a while and I hope that we can make a definitive decision that I can move forward on and that is is the committee's response to the petition that was submitted by the Brighton residents Um they had asked a while ago uh if the town would consider reducing the speed limit, installing seasonal speed bumps and and uh post and slow down signs. I think we voted on that and we talked about the cost and

sorry were were you looking into the bus or was Michael do that? Yeah, I I think um I didn't know if we should um pow with public works about that um or if that's something that we should independently present to you about maybe before we present to Mark, let's talk about um I have some older figures from last November from Michael Fox and he said the speed pump's dead. Some of the beach commissers were up $14 million each.

And there were cheaper ones available. Uh and I guess Amanda also talked to Frank Pardo and he said if they were buying some we could piggy back onto onto any purchase they had, we might get a a better price. Uh any event, if they're $1,400, we do have budget this year to buy one. Uh they asked for two. I think we could certainly put one in and and I think they would be happy. I uh also contacted one of the two gentlemen that submitted the the petition to us. Uh as I recall, they said 90% of the residents were in favor of this and I would probably say it's probably closer to 100% of everybody participated in that. And while I don't have any accident data on on that particular road, one thing that makes me in favor of of trying to help them out is it's really a kind of a unique road. It's a narrower than than normal road. And if you s I I think I sent everybody a a document and it shows the images of those cars. Two cars can barely fit side by side in that road. I think that two cars are coming and meeting, they really have to slow down before they take each other's mirrors off. So, one of the things that that um think we we have to do is to basically touch base of who would install these whatever. But I think that post post green. Yeah.

So, would you be looking for um the temporary speed bumps? Yes. that are less than 1,400 or about there a temporary speed bump and and you know you want something that's going to I think hold up or whatever I would I I don't did not have a phone number I wrote to the sound commission several weeks ago and I haven't yet

he's been sort of um infacated for certain things so I don't be checked day every day. He's not probably checking as quickly as he used to. Um, so go ahead. I'll let you finish and then I'll jump in.

Okay. So, so um it would be my uh motion that this committee considered the three uh things that the residents asked us to that the town consider lowering the speed limit that the town install a speed hump and then u we can talk about post approval exactly what that would cost and where exactly that would go. There was one gentleman who said u that he didn't want it too close to his house because his house is right in the corner and and people hop over that and speed down the road. So we can talk about the best location to to put that and the last thing would be just to buy a couple signs to slow down which are simple enough. Um so

the existing speed limit is 25. Yeah. And what's the proposed reduction? They propose 15. Okay. Okay. So 15 is not it's a slow speed limit, but it it's perhaps I'm not an engineer. It's perhaps appropriate for that road. I will say that it it is the speed limit on other smaller residential roads. The speed limit on the road that I live on is 15 it's also a dead end road. Yes.

No to the beach community. And and I think that we would explicitly consider that this be a seasonable item. Uh because it primarily the issue seems to be from talking to the residents and when they visit us, people using the beach club in summer uh and it would be much less traffic and one less speed in the winter. And so the two other um entities that I think would have a say in this is is one would be the fire department. And I wrote to Ken Sweeney and Ken contacted Chief McCarthy and the fire department would not have an issue with a with a speed bump on that road. And I talked to Ed Danty and Ed Danty's primary primary um reservation was uh if he had to plow the road, but if they'd be taken up uh in the fall, that would mitigate any issues that he would have as well. So what I what I say is is that now I would ask Martha for the procedure. If we vote on this, I would be happy to attend the Monday meeting and make a formal presentation too. How how would we proceed if we vote to to go ahead with this?

You you would vote to recommend it to the board of selectment. Yeah. Um I think the only thing that you don't know is that uh Sound View paid to have these installed. Yeah, they public works does not install them. Okay.

Um they have a private he's a retired contractor happens to live somewhere in the area down in the shoreline and he offered to do it for a price. So he does put them in because the most important thing is that the plugs are put in properly in the fall so that there's no impact to the pavement should no water will get in things like that so that we won't see frosties or things like that and that it's going to be reusable. So that's what they're doing. And when you say one bead bump, hump bump, whatever. It's a difference. I know.

Um, is the um is it one because Frank buys them in pairs? It's one because we don't have the money for Taylor. Okay. Amanda put in Amanda Well, it's interesting. So, we may have put in $1,000 for for speed humps. And obviously, that's not going to be sufficient to buy two. However, somehow when the budget was was put together, um, we put in twice the amount was needed for for passing. So, we have I think we're going to end up with 15600, which could be put towards us. So, we could go slightly over.

Yeah. So, I mean, if we go a little under the 1,400, I don't know what the gentleman would charge, but right if he'd be interested um or train if you could train public works how to do it, then we would have an everlasting option to have them do it on a normal basis. There is a problem. Um, so yes, you would make your recommendations and then come formally to us saying that these are the recommendations we voted to bring to you and that we would like you to take action on. Um, except we'll let you by the speed.

I I I also question this again with Gregory Michelle. He was one of the two organizes the petition is they're still 100% favor of this. So I would probably um ask if he or any other representatives from the community, one or two would come to basically speak before you as well. So you have their perspective as well as the committee's perspective. Okay. So um would someone like to make a motion to move ahead with these steps? Secondary. So any discussion is is this something that you feel we should recommend to the department?

Yeah, I just I have one question. Sure. Um in terms of I know that the this committee would be paying for the purchasing of the speed hump,

but is it this committee's responsibility to find a vendor and set everything up or is it public works? because a year or so ago it was said to us that while we could recommend stuff the specific purchasing of items while it would come out of this committee's budget would be done by public works. That is an excellent question and that's a question I've had myself that um to what extent does this community to what what extent should this community be operational as opposed to just a research and and study group that makes recommendations but actually doesn't actually carry out the programs. Uh, and I I I was not u a co-chair at the time Amanda submitted this budget request and but I did put a budget request in for the next year for the same items as well. So that that could be something I I want to put you on. That could be something I could also discuss with the board when I make the recommendation.

I'll just tell you that Foundue has it in their budget. They make the recommendation for the down view area. This may excuse me if you're interrupting me. Do they have a a budget apart from the town budget? How do you fund that? Town funds it. Okay. And we would fund yours and so that you you added it to the budget. It was approved last year not only by the board of selectment but also by the board of finance, right, for you to put in for a speed home.

So you can because you are making the recommendations. we just have to approve it. So then you would purchase it and Ed has never purchased a speed hump or bump. Uh he would he would call Frank Papalardo too to say who do you buy from? Um and that's exactly the way because it's worked down there. So that's what he if he would do. But if he is not Ed doesn't install them and he doesn't take them out. So he has nothing to do with the ones at Sound View as far as purchasing or implementing them into this roads during the season. So I would say that since they've never done it, I would not suggest they start on this first one for Brighton Road. Um although they can certainly be there to assist or to learn how to do it, but I don't want them in charge because they've never done it before.

That's that's fine. you know, it's kind of almost like we're improvising as we go along. Uh, so I I have no problem with us doing the speed humps. You know, early on, one of the recommendations we made that signs be replaced or we're putting up the the signs you can do.

Yeah. And and putting up, you know, speed warning signs and stuff. So it's kind of like who who does what and I'm happy dealing with that on a kind of like a all the cart basis where we depending on what the job is we decide who can do it but it would be my inclination again to to that we do less and other nations do more because we we don't have the infrastructure obviously our employees that perhaps public works or somebody else would. There are rules for when how once you turn the corner onto the road, how quickly you can put a speed sign up. Yeah.

And then the speed warning signs were warning signs. You have to put a sign up for that as well. So, you probably should make some a sketch, quick sketch, and figure out what you're going to need um both ways because they got to be on both sides of the road. Um, I would ask Derek McGregor to go down and just scope it out. Once you have this quick sketch, you do not need to make it formal. Just a quick and take it right off GIS. Here's the road what we're thinking. Um, and he can tell you if he thinks it's okay or sufficient or it's too much. Um, and then go from there. And then Ed would once we have it I think you have some money for signs

in the budget as well and then we would figure out how much you have. Ed can tell you the vendor that it uses for signs. So

and he may have a couple down there. So again in terms of a process question um clearly there's details that go into placement and purchase uh placement and installation and then removal for for that. Um, I was not sure how far to go down the road. Uh, and I didn't want to go way down the road before we we got approval to go ahead with it, so to speak. So, is it okay for me to speak to the board of selectment and say, "We'd like to do this and then we will come up with the details afterwards and then check with you, make sure you know what we're doing and we're we're and we obviously we talk to um the residents and Derek and whomever." Yeah.

Okay. And then get an initial just check that what the signs would cost, figure out if you have enough to buy all of them in one year. I wouldn't the signs of the 15 mile per hour signs and slow down signs.

Ed has um when we install signs now we put the new kick I don't think they called that kick away. They're called breakaway post. Breakaway post are now the way to go so that if someone hits the sign it's just top the post stays in the ground bottom half. So um we'd want to install those. Um, and Ed can give I mean he may have again he may have some um Ed doesn't buy in bulk like BJ buys what he needs for any specific project and then goes out and buys more. So we can check with him what he's got available but I know he's trying to change some signs around in town too. So the so the signs come from the budget. Um

and then and then the post will has money in his budget for post and signage. Okay. But he'll do what he can um at the end of the budget cycle. So you know, but July 1st is a whole new year. So you start the new cycle. So if he doesn't have them, you might not have them up all the signs up for July 1. But you can order as long as the bill comes after July 1st. Okay. Okay. How many signs are standard for like that kind of undertaking? I I would say at least one on either side of the speed. Okay. So, we're talking about

couple signs maybe. The signs indicating speed back. And then how many um speed limit signs? That's a little that road is narrow. You don't want to pepper it with signs all over the place. Um I would say something like like got to be one for every 40 to 50 feet. Wouldn't we just replace the ones that are currently there? That's really have enough down there. I'll tell you right now, there's one 15. There's one sign that you could see and I had Ed go down last year because he had to cut the tree out from in front of it because you couldn't even see it. But I saw only one speed sign going down

last year and I said, "Dad, you can't even see it." So he went down to clean it up. Oh, so we would have to be asking for an installation of at least another speed sign. Well, what you're going to need depending on what it is. I mean, I haven't, like I said, I can take a ride down tomorrow on my way into work and count them what's there and have an answer for you. Do that, too. And I have I have somebody that can possibly help that.

And again, Derek is a great Derek is McGregor is a great resource. He'll tell you, you know, where he because he had the vision. I mean, he worked for the state police for so long. Yeah. Well, then there's other resources we have that we can help local traffic. So, ultimately, we would do the research or unless we coincide with Frank to find out the vendors and the type of speed humps, the costs, and we're looking at two, right? No, we're looking at one. One. So, it could only be on one side of the multiple sides. Okay. But are they going to be does it go across the whole road?

Yes. Or just one side? Well, the ones that the ones like at White Sands I walk down, they cross the entire road. The white sands are bumps. Those are outdated bumps. Okay. Do you mean sound view? The sound viewings, they do stretch across the entire ri. No, they're two pieces. They're two two pieces. But is that considered to be one in two parts? Well, we should probably figure that out that the person at sound view. Yeah, we can check in with Frank. Yeah, I'll text him and see if he answers me. Additional signage. Is there a question of residents properties installation of those signs or no in terms of what the signs would be on by the property? Yeah.

No, I think that what is the town's uh that back it's like 10 feet on either side of the road. What does the town know? Yeah. Not 10 feet on that road. That might be two. Yeah. But I think also I mean one as long as we're not saying you know like every 20 people signed I think because with the petition we know that between 90 and 100% of the residents of that road really care and want something done. I doubt that anyone is going to feel very strongly about having sign.

I don't I don't see any reason why would we need to extend actually pave part of the road which I would guess would be town property to extend that maybe a little maybe a couple feet of lawn or whatever. I was going to say I think we mentioned this in one of our meetings. Did we talk about having the president of the club or something write a letter to all the members saying speeding on this road? We did. Yes. The the beach club did reach out to the members and ask them to drive it carefully. Okay.

And Sally said that they put up a sign. Yeah. And that would be something that we would I think that we would do without appropriation plus the board that maybe committee should ask again as the the again that they again make the members aware that you need to be careful for the residents coming to that location.

Is this a something we can I I can write it with and with on your behalf that said that if the board of selectment approves this at our meeting, this is what we're going forward with and we want you and your members to be aware that there will be additional speed signs. There will be a speed hump somewhere on the road. We want you to be aware of it. Um, and more patrols, not just I know we put somebody down there twice last year on Thursday night because I think that was their dinner night and that's when they were seeing the most um increased beating around 8:00 when people were leaving. Um so I think we need to courteous but I'm happy as local traffic authority to write that letter and say just want you to be aware of what's happened over the winter and this is a potential project before summer.

We're trying to well we would like you can use got to use your money before June 30th to purchase but so I just texted Frank and said do you buy them in pairs or singular? He'll if he's around he'll get back to me and I'll let you know. That'd be terrific. I was going to ask you for a contact for him aside from the I'll send it to you. I'll try to find as much information as I can uh before I go before as well. There any more discussion? Any other questions? All in favor make a recommendation to the birth say I.

I. unanimous. It's 6. So would you be able to to put this on the agenda for is it Monday that you meet? Yeah, I've already already wrote down. You have to remember it, but I got down tomorrow.

Okay. So I want all to provide our favorite issue which is the beat feedback signs and so forth and you could pass that down to them. I will send you all a copy of this. I'm sorry I just I just put the schedule in the day. I I spoke uh earlier in the week and then again for a couple times today to John Barry from uh the Yukon T2 Center. So Sean is the gentleman that he said he dropped off the signs. J Markle is that his picture? That's not But that's okay.

I There's two guys. There's Sean and there's another gentleman, Jason. I have talked to Derek. I have talked to Dominic and to uh Ed. I put them all on an email and I said those signs have been there. I want them up. So now you can tell us also where you want them up, but that would be fine. And then you have a cart coming at um you also have money in there for a cart. Okay. From July 1st. So we can order that July 1st. Okay.

And then put it on that. We're just having some trouble with programming of this um software because it's done by line and the person who has the passcode is now working out of state, not returning here till late in the evening every day. And so it's very hard for them to meet up with on team Passover passwords things. They've offered to do it on weekends. They've offered to do it on their schedule. it hasn't it's been um not exactly easy for them either but they have been trying.

Okay. So in my conversations with with Sean um I would say that we are um fortunate to to have received the two signs that they gave us and I'll mention that why in a second. and and we're also fortunate in that they will give us uh I think a fair amount of support. I know that you mentioned they just kind of dropped them off but they're actually uh able to do a lot more for us for the town. So for a start um the and again I'm apologize for not getting this out to you today like we'll get it out to you uh or the signs u alleviate a lot of the privacy concerns that you would have so and that they just register shapes they don't pick up any license plate data they don't pick up any u car identification data all they pick up is a car went by and they record the data x number of cars went by And the vehicles went this speed, this speed, and this speed. The data that is collected goes up into the cloud. T2 will give us a report from that from that. Traffic logic will give us a report complete with numbers and graphs and everything like that. Uh, and I mentioned on here there's actually they actually have a pretty detailed I watched all 14 pretty detailed how to YouTube type video to put these things up and and hook up the solar connections and batteries and everything. basically a toz how to do that.

And they have done those they they've installed them. I mean not the one the two new ones but the older ones they have installed. Okay. And they did go through the process of learning how to do it correctly. And the problem was that we didn't have the correct um mounting post at first because we need the heavy duty ones because they are very heavy with the solar panel on them. So these are the the ones we have up were also provided by by T2.

They just said it was said they said they came from the state. He literally popped in brought in two huge boxes and then I they were extremely heavy. They were carried in by like three people. Left them in the mail room and said, "Oh, you can put them up wherever you want. I don't need to know." That's what he said. I said, "But the letter says you want to know and you want them up. We don't. We just want to get them out of our warehouse. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's Well, I I I So, I don't know who brought them. I just would be appreciative. I think I think we can get more from them than that. I at least I must be buying them up by

Yeah. So, so in essence, uh they do need a a secure post because in addition to the the speed feedback sign with uh solar uh array and battery, it actually has to be speed a speed limit sign has to be on that same post. So, you need a substantial post. Uh and we this committee had talked about I think an actual request that they be put on town um road and and grassy hill road I believe we said

uh we can continue with that request or we consider a different location. So, um, in talking to to them, um, Yukon actually, uh, does offer some consulting services at the time. Uh, Sharon actually said he would be willing to call into the meeting tonight. I said we don't need to do that yet, but he would attend a future meeting either remotely or in person. One of the things he can do is they can do an analysis of our roadways and suggest to us what where they think the signs could be best used. Um the other thing that they can do is is u they can uh put up other signs that do a quick uh other devices that can do a quick check uh on on locations. And and the nice thing about those is they can be put up on state roads. So if you look on the the second page, and again I'll send you all this. They're one of these signs. They're mounted on a utility pole and they will Yukon will come out, install three in the town, leave them up for a week, and then give us give us all the data for what they pick up. Now the the existing signs that we were uh are not going to be basically usable on on state val about putting them up these and first Sean said look exactly what you said that DOT wants voice signs if you mount them in the ground but he said it's going to be a little bit of a headache process to to go through DOT to get the approval to do that but even More importantly is this. The two cameras that were given to the town have 12in lettering and you need

15inch lettering at any roadway that has a speed of 40 miles an hour or more. So, so I would say from my going back and forth from the center of town or from 95 to my house, it seems like where people drive the fastest on 156 is trying to run where Amtrak has got their their little project going on and speed over there is 45. So, the cameras couldn't be marked there anyway. Okay. But the speed limit signs on 156 are not 15inch letters. There's no way. He said 12 inch and 15 inch. I said I said what do you mean by 12 inch? He said the letter the the lettering or just the number. The number the integer

because the word speed limit is definitely not a 12 inch font. Well, if you look at look at the at the first thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm thinking about a speed limit sign doesn't certainly have that. But I do know I would say the maybe the lettering in here is probably bigger than the the the printed lettering. The line did get permission to put it on. Did they really? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't at first, but then they got permission. It's the one by Tiffany Farms, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, they did. I think it's on one of their carts. It's on a It's on a temporary. It's not on permanent

P. But they do have it up there. So, I don't know what they did, but I know David Long voted up originally by the school. That was a no no. Then they killed take it down and then somehow they got permission. And I can check with Christy Zelic on how I don't think she knows, but she can certainly find out what happened. Basically, they said, "Look, the main road through our town is 156." Yeah. We need some help. So,

so um what what I would of the things that we've talked about and I know that he I I frankly am a little bit hopeful that we can move along fairly quickly and this is to consider whether the town should consider uh ATSC program uh through the summer coming up and it I would I would love to talk to Sean if he would be able to do something like put these monitors up for a week like now uh he he's got availability at the end of April, put available in May, get a reading say on 156 now and then maybe get another reading for June which traffic starts to pick up just have a comparison see you know this is the are the speeds on the roads different? Do they pick up when we have a lot more people when 95 starts backing up and people have to take roads to to bypass uh the exit. So one of the things that I think you need is you need to have good data uh for any uh DOT application and I think that the companies say often will do a very good job in putting together an application with with support from the pound. However, I would feel much more comfortable personally. enough. How do you all that feel? Uh to be able to uh independently consider whether there's a speeding problem in town as opposed to ask asking the vendor who I'm not going to uh judge their credibility, but a vendor that does have to some extent a a vested interest in getting us to proceed with a program because it's going to be profitable for the company.

How do we because we've been trying this for months. How do you get access to the data when there's BP feedback signs? Well, that's what Mark was mentioning before that that u the the data right now uh is controlled or or or gathered by someone from out of town and uh he's been working on a project out of state and he's hoping to train u

Oh, no. I understood that. I I'm but it's just and I'm sure like he's working at a town he's trying his best, but before that he was maybe going to have to have a contract with the town of Old Line because he was going to be working as a consultant and before that he was unhappy with how we were interpreting the data and so he didn't want to share it until he talked to us about it which it's all valid but like how do we get access to the data and could we have some sort of time frame? when you met after your last meeting, Greg asked me for the data and said, "I really want it." And I sent out an email to Derek McGregor and Dominic because those are the two that have both been involved in this project and I said, "I need it for this date." And I said it today and I have text on my phone from today saying, "Momic, where's my sub data?" And then they he said, "We haven't been able to connect with this person who handles it for line." And remember, this was sort of a joint venture when we first put them up because they had some, they had one, we had more, and we were going to, if we needed to share some of ours, we had three good ones, solar powered, one that was battery operated, but we would share if need be, but they had software, so they were going to hook it all up. And it took a while to calibrate everything and get it going. And then for a while we got reports on a more not normal I wouldn't say a normal basis but periodically I'd get a report and that was it. And then they kind of just stopped and then I asked and they said yes. And today I reached out again and said where are they at? Last week they were both in doing some interviewing. I said I need those data reports. They said we'll work on them but we've been trying to find a mutual time. What the person in line wants to do is set de Dominic up with his own password and his own thing and we have to figure out how to store the data

that he can retrieve it from. So they pay for some cloud service and how we're going to connect to that. It's all I don't know how much is budgetary. I just want you to know that I have a meeting in nine minutes downstairs. It would go really quickly. I would love to talk to uh the folks from line the name Dominic and and Sean Barry about the system that how the data is collected on the tree that are up now and how the data is collected on the two new ones because so it seems to me like they're T2 is storing your data but I'm not thinking

T2 is not going to store the data T2 the data is going to be stored by traffic uh logics which is the vendor uh and we would have access uh T2 would help us uh format and provide reports to us but it would be a cloud service and it's a free cloud service so we not we would not need a contract like fast line mass that the service comes with the the delivery of of license and then beyond that may be excited is is these three monitors they would put up on utility so basically what I want to know Greg is can P2 take over the three signs that we have now But that would be what I'd love to talk to.

So we I can share this with Dominic and see what he says, but I hate to leave you, but I've got a board of finance online and I got a minute. Okay. Thank you for Thank you for But I will put you on board selectman and we can talk more tomorrow if you as you follow up. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

So the other thing too and again I apologize for that. I just talked to to Sean as late as 4:00 today, right before I spoke to you. And and so these these three I'll pass this around. You can take a look at the devices basically mount on a telephone pole. Uh they're loan to the town for a week. He puts them up, gathers the data, interprets the data, takes them down. Nobody in town has to do anything and we get the data and and we can tell them where to put it or and we could or we could work with them and have them basically go into the crash repository system find what segments of road seem to be having having the most accidents uh and we can put those on. So that that will give us some data. I think between that and if we figure out as you alluded to Sophie the headaches for the current system I think we can kind of get some enough information that would make a a better

sounds like a a a very positive response. Yes. And would give us very much needed data that we can't get otherwise and not having to involve the town. Yeah. I I you know I wonder if just some just a delivery guy brought these to market and that's why he just dropped them off and took off because uh in talking to this gentleman he seemed really uh eager to help you know come down and talk to us and and help us with the analysis. So I'm hoping that we can pursue that. Three you said three and these can be put up on state roads any road.

Great. So you might put one on 156 and then I would love to see one on 156 and one on group one and then we can figure out where the other one might go. Who pays for this? Did I just All all gratus you got as grants for this?

Okay. So the only last thing I want last thing I wanted to get into is is talking about moving things along. But unfortunately I am going to be traveling um on the date of the next meeting uh which which is May 12th and I'm returning on the 15th. So there we could do one of two things. We could later in the month the room was available on May 20 or May 21 or we could just skip the May meeting and meet on June 9th. Does anybody have any thoughts on on that?

Um, are you going to be able before your trip to talk more with T2 and and set up this stuff? Uh, I'm going to ask them. Uh yeah, I'm going to try to for start what what I would like to do is what Martha just alluded to if determine if the cameras that are up now are theirs and if we could get them all together in a package that they could either help us with some or get the data to us on month by month basis rather than you know the last data I actually saw in these cameras was November 1.5

if uh if there's a poss possibility that we could be getting that at the May meeting if we push it to the end of May, we could be seeing data from those devices in addition to other stuff, then I think we should be because then we might actually move it along. Yeah, I would I would be inclined to to try to reschedu a meeting. Um, what does your what does everybody's schedule look like at this time? Either on um the 20th or the 21st is the Wednesday or Thursday. We could actually

either for me also either one. Yeah. I'm I should have a faculty meeting after work, but I should be able to get here anytime on the 20th. Other than that, 20th is better for you. Either one works for me. Does anybody have a choice between the two?

Just a little bit more time. So, I will uh up to uh 80. I'll cancel the meeting earlier in the month and reset up a new meeting on the 21st. It'll be a special meeting, but the only um difference between that and Thursday, Thursday 6:00. So, what's the difference with the special meeting? That you cannot amend the agenda. Whatever agenda is posted, you have to stick to. That's still only really and and and you're noticing a little bit different, but otherwise, you know, we can conduct that business as usual.

When you present to the board of selectment on Monday, do they decide right then and there? You would like to if anybody wants to come, you're welcome to come. What I'm going to do is is contact the Brighton Road residents and let them know that uh this is what the committee u voted on and we're going to make a a recommendation to the board and I would think it would be if the committee if the residents really want this to happen. I think it would be incumbent on at least a couple of to attempt and maybe comment. But my question is the board right there and then says yes or no.

I will present to the board right there. It's it's been my um experience that they generally would make a decision right then as opposed to maybe zoning which has a hearing and then schedules a vote the next month. I think the board would say yes. Is that six o'clock or earlier? I don't know. It's on the time calendar. Mondays is Mondays is always the board selement meeting because Jim Lanos has a restaurant and it's closed on Monday. Yes. So that's all I have. Does anybody else have anything they want to bring up? Go ahead.

Is it public comment or you're done? So I mentioned 20 road and had vehicles um fly down the road. I walk up past Rosemary and another road there and the vehicles are just going incredibly fast on my road. Mhm.

Um they use it as a you know a bypass instead of going through by big Y. They're coming from Lime or wherever they're coming from. And um I've seen vehicles, you know, that happen to be going 70 miles an hour. They're they're really flying. Now, it's not every vehicle, right? But it's way too fast. I give an example. I had my car parked at the end of my driveway, got out of the car, got the mail back to get back in the car and leave, and a vehicle came by so fast it shook my whole car. Did Did you do you happen at communing hours or all times of the day? If you had to pick it,

it varies. I mean, some of it might be school, getting out at times, other times it might just be people on their way to work or on their way home. Um it's it's tough to say sometimes at sometimes uh in the evening, but it could just be midday people just come flying by. Um after dark one night um FedEx driver was coming by heading west. Um went to turn into my neighbor's um exit entrance. That's that's also on my side or on the south side. And um they um they were passed why they were trying to turn and luckily hit the brakes at the last second, but they almost just ran right into a FedEx vehicle turning into that. They were going so fast.

Okay, I'll tell you what I I can do. I can talk to Derek McGregor tomorrow. uh and if you give me a contact information, I'll I'll let you know that I spoke to him and uh I will tell him that I would recommend that you speak to him as well and I'll tell him to expect a call from you. So, can you give me some way to let you know after what I've touched base? I don't know what his work schedule is, what his hours are. I know he he rotates between working days and and like the 6:00 to midnight shift. And I've seen um other times uh vehicles come by one when one was coming headed west and had at at such a high rate of speed you could hear them coming from down past around the corner beyond Massive Ridge

and get past in front of my house. Okay. So that's pretty fast. The quickest thing to do is maybe get radar or something. Yeah, like Yeah. And I talked to some of the police that have sat at a civil lane here and there about the same thing when walking, you know, and they said, you know, we only have so many

police so many signs. Um, but maybe the signs are and I was in town hall. I forgot what day it was. Early this weekend at capacity to our police. You know, one thing I will say just because we, you know, share very similar roots, um, Sanders and Sil is that even if I try to do the speed limit, they will pass over the yellow line. I mean, that's so even if you try to be like the um car that keeps the pace for everybody else. Yeah.

I mean, as soon as that changed on sale, I just I saw everybody cross the vehicle. Is there u the speed feedback sign? Okay, we're we're almost gone. Okay. Going in one direction. Yeah, I think the all three one direction. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I'll agree. I mean, having, you know, been since since the weather's gotten warm, been on my bike like every other day. So, like the speed is a big problem on that run. I I reported it with the the safety committee um what the survey that went out some of some of the information but yeah they they just go way too fast my neighbors been out walking her dog yelling at people and then you know sometimes they'll stop and they know her and other times it's

well the way things I I don't think there's any guarantee that the new signs are going to be up on Grassy Hill roads So when I talk to uh D2, I'll ask them if they can look at the crash data and suggest locations. I'll mention that he's still on Saunders. So that's all I have. We are at 7 o'clock and there's another group. So it looks a motion to adjourn. I second. All in favor? Thank you all.