Inland Wetlands Commission - Regular Meeting

the uh regular meeting of the old line inland wetlands and water course commissions Tuesday March 24th uh 6 pm at the town hall in the in the memorial hall room. Um so we'll start with uh new business which is election of officers. Um do you how's it can you nominate somebody or is it just

nominations are open. you need a chair and a vice chair and at this point it's got to be a regular member. It can't be an alternate. So if someone wants to make a nomination or do you want to take chair first or vice chair first? However you want to do it folks. I'll nominate Tom the long standing deputy chair professionals deputy chair uh first of the second by Mr. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Sure. Uh so all in favor all in favor.

I congratulations. You need a vice chair. So I would take those that nomination next. I will nominate Jarbasi for vice chair. Like to second that nomination. All in favor? I. Anything against? All right, that was quick. Okay, congratulations. Thanks on Tom Pay double.

All right, so uh new business application 26-2 7 Shores Drive. Um Russell Albbright applicant. Anybody here from Ellen? Okay. I mean, I can give you sort of a brief of it. Um, this has been sort of a an evolving discussion with this guy over the last several weeks. Um, it started with him wanting to put in basically a concrete um cube for lack of anything else to store equipment in. and it has evolved into something that looks vaguely like this. Um, this is all we have for the description of it. Um, I asked him if he has a contractor. He does not have a contractor yet. He's hoping to get one soon. He says he estimates the work will cost about $50,000 and take between 12 and 18 months. Is he bringing in Phil, removing Phil? He thinks it's going to be about even. Um, and again, this all came in physically yesterday. So, up to you folks whether you would like to set a sidewalk and just go out there and take a look or whether I tell him he needs more information. So, you guys have some clues as to what you're looking at.

Can you tell what's going on? It says renovations between the house and the lake plus the seaw wall. What is He's got a ton of verbiage that doesn't say a ton. Yeah. Well, I think that's why he wants you to go out there. Um, again, the blue rectangle says it's a shed. The red circle is a fire pit. Um, purple proposed patio. Um, all within 100 ft of the upland review of the the lake there. Um, he wants to extend the retaining wall along the w the lake as well. He doesn't have he put in a really big retaining wall slash seaw wall slash whatever. Yeah. This past year, like big blocks. I don't think we have permission for any of that. I'm just telling you that.

Okay. So, again, you may want to go out there and just hear a story. Um, but at the moment, I'm not sure you have enough to really like make a decision on. So, the question is, do I ask him for more information before a sitewalk or do you go out there and take a look and then we try and get more information from it? You don't want to try to ask him for more information and see what we get. I mean, and if it's not good enough, then we can hopefully you'll come up with something better by the next meeting. Maybe. Well, that's again up to you're not obligated to take action now. You've got 65 days and you can ask for more. I just assume we go out there, though, because we're end up going out there anyway at some point, I think.

Up to you. Again, that's why I'm sort of putting it out there to you guys. Do you want to just go out there to see what he has to say for himself? One one question would be if he's installed some of the wall without review and approval, how much? When did he do it? All those types of things.

Lots and lots. Again, we need Michael a lot more information. But it probably is worth you guys going out there maybe and just looking and seeing what what the hell is going on. You may need to do a second sitewalk at some point. Who knows? But um one caveat is I will not be there the 6th. I will be in Yale. My wife is at going to be at Smilo for cancer treatments. So, I'm not going to be there for that. Uh the next month plus I'm going to be in and out of the office quite a bit. So, don't don't wait on me. Um but go out there on the 6, take a look around. Julie will take notes and then we'll figure out where to go from there, I guess. Okay. Julie could notify him in the morning of your decision to have a sidewalk and he was supposed to be here. I didn't know.

Well, then why don't you come up and talk? Yeah. I think I was waiting for my I was waiting to to be called and I didn't want to interrupt your discussion. You're you're the applicant. I think the floor is yours. So, why don't you explain what what you're doing?

Yeah. Sorry, I apologize. I've never done anything like this before. Uh but uh I didn't have a lot of resources as far as satellite videos uh or uh pictures but uh this is an existing house. I didn't realize uh because I moved from Merid I totally different up there uh want to put in drainage for down spouts. Sure. Go right ahead. run it wherever you want. I didn't realize things were uh complicated down here. Uh and but uh starting with the house uh from talking to Eric uh you guys like uh uh water drainage to include from down spouse uh uh being dispersed into the ground as far as far away from the lake as possible. Uh uh uh that's the uh black lines because uh there is a fair amount of square footage for the uh uh uh roof and therefore water. Uh the downspouts would drain no less than 25 ft uh from the uh uh from the uh from the water. I don't know if you uh I would imagine uh and I can have the contractor if you want him to uh but I would imagine that he would question some gravel in uh where the down spout uh it disperses and uh to uh help prevent uh a sinkhole and uh then uh I'm going to brain fire on what it's called but the uh the drainage with the the holes in it so it gradually disperses the water if you guys would prefer that. I can definitely do that. I uh that uh that's for the drainage. Uh do you have

any questions uh with that? All right. And then um was going to do a patio uh over a deck. Uh that's what I was told a long time ago. Uh that uh you guys would be more receptive to a patio uh versus a deck. Uh that's what was previously uh knocked down uh by the uh contractor. And so we're looking at a 20 by 30 patio uh that would be at a minimum 18 ft from the uh water uh because the uh uh retaining wall uh uh there's the water uh there's some of the big concrete 2,000lb blocks. Okay. Uh that form the uh that separate the water from the land. And then there's 12 feet of separation. And then there's a second retaining wall that goes up uh I think it's two blocks high. Uh and then that levels out fairly close to uh what would be our backyard. And uh no less than 6 ft from the end of those blocks uh would be the start of the patio because the previous contractor did not do a very good job of making sure they don't sift uh shift and stuff like that. Uh so uh there would be a separation uh with some sort sort of he suggested uh shrubbery uh to make sure people don't fall over uh the retain wall. Uh and so we were thinking of 20 by 30 patio and I nixed the idea of putting the shed down by the water for life jackets,

fishing poles, uh kayaks, uh etc. based on what Eric said and put it up top instead. I apologize for my drawing. I can't draw a circle. Uh but the blue line would be a small shed. I was thinking like 4 by8 uh just to put uh like I said uh fishing poles, life jackets uh and hang the kayak up on the side and uh then uh uh uh sorry part of the patio the uh purple would be a walkway going to the house. Uh because right now it's uh Sandy, uh Rocky, and whatever wants to grow for a weed that week. And then uh the green would be a small gazebo. Uh I believe Eric said no sorry uh Chelsea I believe it is from house uh from Ludlight uh said that it'd have to be less than 200 square feet uh for a gazebo and then a smokeless fire pit because most of the wind comes off a lake and I don't want smoke near us and I figured that would be better for you guys as well uh because there's no uh less smoke and stuff like that uh and potentially interfering with the lake. Uh and then the stairs on either side to get down because right now it's just a rocky sandy slope and the two sections of the pre-existing uh retaining wall. There's a gap and it slopes down to the water and yeah, we noticed it. I definitely this winter a lot of wash out down to the water and that's all I have to say right now unless you have any question.

The is the retain is the seaw wall retaining wall a recent addition or has that been there? Uh uh it was a replacement uh with uh Anton paving construction. Okay. When did you do uh that was uh done last year. Okay. Probably I we didn't get a permit for that one. So you probably have to kind of retroactively ask for a permit on that part of it as well. Uh yes. I uh uh I don't know whose responsibility that would be. if it's mine, the homeowner or the contractor because the contractor did not ask me to do anything. It would be in your name because you're the property owner. So, added to this application.

So, that's my wall. Yeah. Yeah. Um am I going to have to take that wall down? No, I don't think that's probably the outcome, but you just make sure that gets added as part of this application because it's it needs to be a permitted deal. Okay. I've Yeah. I was injured. Sorry, it doesn't matter. So, one of the Eric, a retroactive item can go on an application that has Yeah, it's all permanent activity. We can discuss whether that changes the fee or not. That's up to you guys.

But at this point, my two choices are retroactive approval or enforcement. And obviously, we don't even want to do enforcement. If you can get approval, he's seeking a permit anyway. Let's just roll it into what we're already doing here. So, if you can make that part of the your application. Yeah. And then we're going to do a sitewalk as long as it works for you on April 6th at 5:30. Okay. Uh so by then, could you stake out where the limits of the patio are going to be? Uh yeah, I actually have some marking paint. Uh would you want marking paint, stakes, string, whatever you Anything that illustrates it. Yeah.

Okay. And uh so I'll delineate exactly where everything's going to go. Yeah, that'd be great. And uh if you could before the next meeting uh have maybe a better description of how the patio would get constructed like what kind of materials uh what kind of grading would be needed to make that happen and okay basically um if you can show like a sil fence like silt and erosion control for for Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I couldn't remember what the name of that black fencing is called. Yeah.

Uh so you'd want specific as far as uh 6 in across stone uh with uh laid beneath uh with sand or however how whatever exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're saying. Yes. Okay.

Yes, sir. I would just like to see a map of the whole property with where the house is drawn to scale where the lake is um drawn to scale and you know you can start by going to the town's GIS looking up your property and it'll give you a pretty good idea where all of those structures are and you can use that as a guide. I don't know if they're probably not wetlands on it's probably just the water course water. We can see whether there are historic surveys of the site. I don't know if there are any but we can we can well if those exist but I would start with the town GIS. I think that is the GIS but that's not

it's just not the right scale I guess. Uh so if you wanted to scale I'd probably have to go to a surveyor then. Well, now you can just blow it up to you can determine the scale from the GIS, but the edge of the regulated area, which is, you know, the lake, which should be on that. I I can't see. This is a pretty good starting point right here. Yeah. So, just off the off screen there. Yeah, that was a confusing part. I didn't uh because I would imagine my property ends at the lake, but uh there's a line here and then there's blue here. So, which one? Yeah, it's it's going to be like right here, not down there where the blue is. Yeah, I was a little confused because Yeah,

but if you put on the aerial photo, you'll be able to see where the actual water comes to on your property there. Oh, there might also be a building per, you know, permits for other activities before maybe you even own the property that you can get a a better map. We were literally just there last year for there's a really big building. Yeah. Like two houses down from here. Oh, yeah. Uh down on the circle. Yeah. three houses at me. Yeah, if you can if you can have a a better description of exactly what you're looking for and also make sure Yeah. Sorry, I was hoping for a quote, but I I know you guys meet once a month and uh we wouldn't vote on it till the next meeting. So, you have a month to Okay.

get everything together. Yeah. I didn't know that yesterday. Okay. the downspouts, Eric, as far as that's the existing, you have existing gutters on your home, right? They come down and you want to run the water away from the get it away from the foundation. Uh uh whichever direction uh it would make sense to run it towards the water because that's how the uh the ground slopes. Uh uh but uh uh the goal is to get it away from the house. Yeah. Does that fall under a regulated activity? If it's for the existing drainage clean, if he's extending drainage towards the water, then yes, it does because I mean ultimately

you're you're altering the the the water characteristics in a way that you're sending more water point source discharge towards the lake. Well, if it stays up by the house, presumably has more distance percolate in. So, you could put in a dry well or something. Rain barrels. There's a whole bunch of things we can do to treat that where it's not going to cause issues. Not a problem. So, I mean, there are plenty of solutions to how to take care of that water that are not going to harm the lake. Okay. And the fire pit, is that going to be a permanent like stone structure? Is that going to be like a solo stove kind of thing? Uh, like a brio, then that's not a then that doesn't fall in your house. So, you can take that off the application.

Okay. I wasn't sure. It said any work. So, I obviously took that to mean I plan grass seed. No, that's fine. Don't the fire. That's not part of our deal. Okay. Uh so we will see you on the 6th at 5:30. Okay. Thank you. How many people? What you see here? Okay. Expect a party. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you guys.

Right. Uh, old business. So, 19-03, uh, 19-14, uh, 20-09, the Old Colony Beach Association, Long Shores Beach Association, uh, the permit extension.

Yeah. Um, this was granted administratively as an extension just because they had to get contracts out to to do this. But I did want to sort of bring it back to you to say that these are they're not changing what was previously permitted. um that the permits have now expired and they needed to you again go out to bid on on the new contracts to do the sewer work. So um in discussions with Tom, I administratively graded it, but I did want to sort of bring it back here. And if you would like them to sort of just come back and show you what they're doing on site, um I can arrange for them to come for the next meeting and do that. Okay. But again, at this point, because of the timing issue, um I I let it go forward. Um, again, nothing has changed from the previous permits, but obviously sewers are a lot more real now than they were five years ago. And this is just the drainage improvements that are associated with the sewers, not the sewers themselves.

Eric, what do they I'm not familiar with this application, but what do they impact? What are the regulated areas that is it water courses or Yeah. I mean, crossings or it's it's all in the the roads by and large. in road rightways. It's all Yeah. It's all in the street. It's all in the street. Okay. Um but because it runs because the street work is within 100 ft of regulated area. They came in for a permit here, but they probably have sedimentation erosion controls when they're actually doing they do. And again, it's all fussy O'Neal stuff. And again, it's happy.

No, that's that's enough. Thank you, buddy. Um, but again, at this point, um, I'm not really entirely happy with the people who are out there. Baltazar has been out there before they even had a contract drill drilling holes in the road. Um, much to the dismay of our public works director because some of the roads were in fact his roads instead of the private roads and they didn't get a permission headed side. Um, so yeah, I I we're going to have to watch it carefully to make sure they actually do to the plan. You match what the plan says there. Um, I haven't been inspired by Baltazar so far with how careful they are. Is the town the applicant? No.

No. This is the three private associations. the I mean the part of the problem is that old colonies on one side of Hartford and the other two are on the other side of Hartford and they just started sort of running things across Hartford and um on road which are town roads um without considering the fact that they didn't own the middle piece of what they were doing here. Um, so yeah, I'm sure making sure they meet what the permit says that they're supposed to be doing is going to be the the big challenge here. Maybe once we extend it, just having a reminder with the whoever the contractor is.

Yeah. Well, again, it's false, but there's probably conditions on

there because I mean, honestly, in front of uh Paul Orzel's house, they were digging a hole and he called and I went out there to see what's going on. Um, and they said, "Oh, yeah, we don't have a contract yet. We just decided to come out and dig some test holes." Like, that's great, but this is a town road and you're not supposed to be digging test holes here. Um, so anyway, I don't know if they have a signed contract yet, but they have been out there digging further holes and doing some test work. So, I we're gonna have to again just keep on them to make sure that they are meeting the plan. Um, I have not been encouraged so far by the quality of their work, but we'll just again we'll have to wait and see how this all shakes out.

There is going to be a ton of dewatering to do the catch basins on Old Colony. I looked at the plans in the they have 4 foot sumps under the in the catch basins and it's about 4 feet below where the groundwater was. So, they're going to be Okay, good times. Yeah, they're going to be below four feet below groundwater. So, it's going to be a lot. Okay. Well, thanks for letting me know. Um, I'm sure that Adante is going to have a good time with all of that. So, um, but I I just I wanted to sort of bring you into loop as to where we are with that because I'm sure much more to come on that going forward. So, and this is the first permit extension.

Yes. Yes. Again, the original permit was back in 19 um under COVID. They lasted seven years or whatever it is, which brings them to now. Um, and here we are 7 years later and they hadn't started yet, but they're going to be starting theoretically within the next year or so. Um, so the 5-year extension is good going forward and hopefully we'll be finished by then. Okay. Uh, regular business. Uh, back to Eric with the

uh 301- 308-1 rather. Um, we're sort of at an impass in the sense that you guys are looking for a judgment in court and some level of compensation for the money spent. Um, at this point, property owner is not willing to allow either of those two things to occur. Um, the result being that we are continuing litigation. Um, the pleadings have been closed, which means that the complaint has been filed, the answer has been filed. Um, we're waiting for a pre-trial date and a trial date on this. Um, we're just going to keep rolling forward on the on the, you know, the lawsuit. Um, there's not really much else we can do if they're not willing to agree to what we think are fairly basic terms on this thing. So, well, if there is news to report on it, I will let you know. But at this point, we are where we are, which is there's a lawsuit out there and it hasn't settled and it's moving forward towards trial. at this point.

Is he represented? Yes. Hela McCoy who he was in here with um so yeah um Bill McCoy is is representing him on that matter. So that's about it and then he's basically going to go in and say he doesn't want to comply with the conditions of the approval.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean ultimately I mean the the the odd thing for me and again I did enforcement matters for 20 years before I sort of switched and became an enforcement officer. The underlying violation I don't think he really contests. So if he doesn't contest the violation piece of this we're going to get the judgment, right? I mean kind of hard not to. We've issued a permit though too, right? He issued a permit with certain conditions and he didn't appeal the

Yes. He didn't appeal the permit but again to get to the permit he then had to admit that the previous things that he did were not subject to the permit. So again on the liability piece of this I don't see that there's a lot of case to fight about. So we're really just fighting about what the judge then imposes for a penalty. And it would seem again, won't the judge just tell him to settle

that in the pre-trial? Yes. The other piece of this obviously is I don't know what he's paying McCoy hourly rate, but you'd figure it's cheaper just to pay us some nominal sum to make it go away. Um, but I think the thing that galls him is that he's going to have a judgment that if we see further violations, instead of starting again with a new cease and desist, we just go back in and start with a judgment and say you're in contempt. and he doesn't want that. I just don't think he understands legally he's going to end up there one way or the other. So, we'll see how it shakes out. But again, at this point, I have no new report to be made on further applications or further whatever. It just we we are where we are in court on that thing.

Um 16 Neck Road to Sharon Drive. Nothing really to report there either other than he seems to be working on the houses again, which seems odd to me. Um, as you know, he is, you didn't lift the order for him. He has not been in with any new information since then regarding the order. He is fighting, for lack of a better word, with the planning commission because he doesn't want to put in the sprinklers in the houses that were shown on the original plan. He now wants to put in a fire tank, but he proposed a fire tank. the fire marshall said didn't meet code and he has not been back with a new proposal on that. Um the road is still substandard. He hasn't tried to replace the road yet and he knows he can't get a co without doing that. I'm not really sure what's going on with him right now other than again on the wetland side I really have nothing new to say. You guys gave him a pretty clear indication of what you wanted and he has not been back in touch since then

um since he was last in here. Yeah, I mean he that's he has been back in touch to talk about the sprinklers. Yeah, but that has nothing to do with you, right? I mean

um and the the water tank that he wants the fire tank he wants to put in would be at the very top of the circle in the um the basically the center of the circle at the end of the culde-sac. So again, from a wetland standpoint, nothing to do with you at all. Um, and again, since being told by the fire marshal that this proposal was not adequate, haven't heard back since, but I do know there have been trucks out there working. So I don't know how he's spending the money he's spending, but he can't sell lots right now. He can't sell lots until he fixes the road, until he settles with you. So again, I don't really understand his strategy. Um, and I do know that his renewed loan expires the end of this year. So, he's on a pretty tight deadline to make something happen.

Um, are the erosion controls, have you taken a look at those? He doesn't. They're sort of semifunctional.

He did agree. Jacobson gave him a list of things to do with erosion controls and he said, "I will take care of it." But again, what usually happens is he does it once and then it never gets maintained. So, I haven't been out there that recently. I after the most recent rain, I'll go back out and you see where we are. I I don't think that these are really being maintained to anything like what you guys would ask me to maintain it. And obviously, he hasn't given you a bond. Um, so we're kind of stuck, but we'll again if we have to go back and and Ed Cassella previously had had to get a wave or conflict waiver because he was involved with one of the other people who was on the property there. He has gotten a conflict waiver now. So if we do need to bring litigation, Cassella is free to bring litigation on this thing. Um, and we're sort of inching, I guess, in that direction. So we'll we'll see how this all shakes out. So, not having in front of you, but there was a bond and there was also the fees from Jacobson.

Yes. Right. Two and those two things are distinct. Those two things are distinct. And he has paid about 2400 of Jacobson's bill. Okay. A very specific number. And it was very odd because he sent the check to us made out to Jacobson and we tried to it was it was like six weeks of wrangling over the this check but apparently cash flow um takes longer for us to get to send it to so

in any event Jacobson has now been paid $2,400. Um but it again that's not nearly what Jacobson has spent trying to monitor the site. So we'll just have to wait and see. Um no the the the numbers that they're behind are well into the five figures and they have made no attempt to sort of come up with those sorts of numbers yet. So the 2400 is just a small drop in the bucket compared to what we've paid on these things. And is the has the town line paid Jacobson in the meantime? That was that was the problem with that that we had already paid Jacobson. So we got a check made out to Jacobson and we said we've already paid them. You need to pay us now to reimburse us.

So we had to give them back the Jacobson check and get a new check made out to us to compensate for already paid Jacobson. So it's so he owes the town for Jacobson's work.

That's exactly it. Because I mean theoretically what's supposed to happen is Jacobson sends us a bill. We present it to them and they pay it on the 11 button ball subdivision that's going in now. That just happened this past week. They came in Jacobson did with a $9,000 bill or whatever the hell it was and we forwarded it on to the applicant and we said this is your responsibility and the applicant said okay I'll take care of it. Um that never happened here and eventually we paid Jacobson because it was clear nos weren't. So Jacobson made holes. We don't owe Jacobson any money on this thing. But now Doceto owes us all the money we paid Jacobson to do the work that they did. Okay. Um I there's just a limit to how long we could wait for Jake, you know, Jacobson to get paid. And it was clear never going to happen. So again, they've now paid reimbursed us 2400 of the much larger number we've already paid them. So, and yeah, I also understand he's not paying contractors. There's a whole bunch of other things that are going on. It's a mess. Um, but at the moment, we're Yeah, more to come on this one. I I'll let you know next month where we stand. I don't expect there's going to be a lot of change between now and next month given what I've seen so far. Okay. Um 100 mile creek. Honestly, this is more of a drainage issue than it is a um wetlands issue. It it they are up against the water there. Um they're putting in a very large new house. The town has a right of way through the property to get to what had been a dump apparently. Um, and now the town is looking to put in a road and potentially use that area that had been dumped for potentially affordable housing or something else. Um, and is evaluating that land behind it. If you look on the GIS, you can see the right of way. Um,

there are issues with the house that they're putting in and where the drainage is going to go. Um, some of it may end up being within 100 ft of water. Of course, of course, the case I'm going to send them here. Um but it's been an issue because it's a greater than 4,000 foot house which set the gateway commission which had a whole bunch of comments. Um, again, as of right now, there is no wetlands issue associated with it, but given given the amount of work that's going to go in there and given the proximity of the town land, um, I just wanted to sort of throw it out there as, you know, be aware this is is sort of floating around out there. And that's about all I've got. I had the um I thought that was the the dock I thought was 100% the I sent you the permit for this.

Okay, that's Oh, I I got Yes, you're right. There the doc associated with that one as well. So, um this is just anformational one um on the I can send out the send you guys the DP, but it's just that's the DP one, same one, but it's um yeah, we're raising up a center section of a dock like Mic Brothers is raising up the center section of a dock. Everything is below the coastal jurisdiction line. So none of it is inland wetlands, but I formational I printed it out and brought in five copies. So if you guys want to pass around,

Pardon me. Is this the still the mile creek the 100 mile creek moved because I have a question about the the um letter that was sent on last summer, August 19th. Anybody? This is Alan Todd. I have a question about I mean it just seems like there's a mistake in that letter because it says the Husatonic liver and the Connecticut code. It's not the Husatonic. I or we live there for a while. I think we can be reliably assured it's not the Okay. Well, I don't know if you wanted corrected, but

um it's not even the Connecticut. I don't think it's actually black on the it's on the deep form. So it's not really kind of the I guess the last page you can see the posted jurisdiction line is uh above the above the work would be the easiest way. So the CJL is at 2.6 six and all the work that's getting done is around Michael. So all of it's outside in wetlands. I just wanted to make everybody aware.

Yeah, that's I think actually title wetlands from our mapping anyway. So it wouldn't even be inland wetlands if even if it were above coastal jurisdiction, it wouldn't be for the commission to deal with anyway because it's all title wetlands there anyway according to my mapping. So, I didn't mean Well, I think that's everything, right? I think so. Okay. Uh, so reading and approval of minutes. Uh, and everybody had a chance to read the February 24th special meeting minutes. I think that was just the Zoom one, right? Yeah.

Uh, does anybody have any questions or Okay. Uh just I'm gonna vote on 27th because I was there but I wasn't at the Zoom right the February was a Zoom session or something. Yeah. And that was finding no jurisdiction. So yeah. Um so I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. We'll second. All those in favor? I uh any So who who wasn't who abstained from that one? I would abstain from the 24th. Okay. Just because I that was the one that we were just doing. So you're out for the 24th and you guys weren't understand you were there.

And then the January 27th regular meeting everybody get a chance to read those. Anybody have any changes? Uh I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. Uh so you guys either and I yeah I stayain. So all those in favor I sorry to interrupt. Uh is it okay to lock the front door or do you need it open? You can lock it. We're going to be finished here in just a minute. That's it. Um make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor. I 637. Thank you folks.