Inland Wetlands Commission - Regular Meeting

It is 6:00. So, let's start this regular meeting of the Old Lime Inland Wetlands and Water Courses Commission. Today is Tuesday, January 27th, and we're meeting at the Memorial Meeting Hall room in town hall. Uh, we have a pretty short agenda today, so we'll just get through it. Um, we'll start with new business. The first item of new business is FOYA training. Woohoo. Uh, FOYA training. I see on this uh handout is February 25th at 6:30m in town hall. Um and I believe everyone has to be attending this or get foyer trained.

You need to be foyer trained sometime this year. So if it's not going to be this, you're going to need to figure out someplace else to send you for foyer training. Um at this point, the statute has now changed that my wetlands commissioners need training as well as my zoning commissioners. So, I would certainly encourage you to attend this just to get it out of the way. I'm responsible for recording to the select woman at the end of the year, but everybody can give their training. Um, so I will have a spreadsheet. If you would do attend, please let me know so I can add your name to the spreadsheet as having attended. Um, and then there's no penalty right now if we don't have everybody, but at this point, we're just gathering the information to report back to the state on this. So, Eric, it's not a oneand done. If if I had taken this previously, it's mandatory. you're supposed to

the statute basically says that we start fresh as of this year. Once you do it this year, basically you don't have to do it again for several years going forward, but they're basically wiping the state slate clean and starting with a a new foyer training for this year. Okay. Okay. Because the statute only kicked in on wetlands training starting this year. Okay. So last year doesn't count it. I'll go back and look at the statute again, but my understanding is last year doesn't count it on this thing. So Okay. Great date night. And again, if you did do it last year and it does count, I'll I'll take your information on it. We'll go from there. But, um, as of right now, assuming you needed to attend sometime this year. Okay. Indeed.

Okay. Easy enough. And if somebody can't attend this meeting, even after this meeting, I can give you resources for FOYA training. Um, so the Freedom of Information Commission can have somebody come out at like a regular meeting stuff. So we can we can see what we can do if the um 25th is not good for anyone. All right. Uh business new business item number two is for application 26-1 for 16 meeting house uh road for a clear cut. And I see attorney Sablone is here representing his client, the owner Chapman Barry. And I think all we need to do at this point is set a sidewalk. Right. Okay. And again, here's what I have to say, folks. The clearing has been done. You can certainly sit as I walk and take a look. It's going to be a little bit hard to see in the snow at this point. Um there's no new work proposed as I understand from Mr. Attorney Salone. Um other than some erosion control measures and some ground cover when it's more suitable for putting down ground cover. So, up to you whether you want to set a sidewalk on this thing. If you do, we can certainly do that. Um, again, at the moment it's sort of hard to see because there's everything was cut down and everything that's remaining is covered by snow. So, I'm not sure how you want to handle it.

I mean, I think you're capable of directing silt and erosion control. So, if it's all right with everybody else, I would probably just have Eric handle it. Okay. So, I make a motion that I just have one question. Sure. I mean, how were they within the 100 foot? They were definitely within 100 foot. The thing about this site, I'm not sure you can mount everything. The thing about this site is

um there's a very steep pitch down to a stream in the middle of the site. They worked basically to the edge of that down pitch. Um so as long as they keep good erosion controls at the top of the slope, there's no real danger of any further erosion happening. and they have when I was out there and that I was clearing I made them hay bales in um so you know again if we made it's all frozen now it's not going anywhere now but in the spring if we make sure that they reestablish erosion controls at that edge there and get some ground cover down um I don't believe there's going to be any real damage to the water course at the bottom of the slope

so yeah so you're happy with the SN controls that are in place well that's fine for me so far yeah so far so good just make I need to make sure that continued going forward. So I, you know, again in if I were to grant administrative permit on this, I would just say continue erosion controls until the ground cover is established. Makes sense. Okay. Okay. I'll make a motion that Erica handles this administratively. I'll second. Okay. All those in favor? I. And I see no opposed. Any abstensions? Okay. Seeing none, passes unanimously.

All right. Next on the agenda is old business. Uh item number one is 16 Neck Road to Sharon Drive for Noito Orlando. Hi. Hi. How are you everybody? Good. How are you?

Good. So, I brought some plans. Um one of the the first issue I'd like to address is the two Sharon Drive. Um, I have both plans here of the stakeout that was done in November of uh 2023 and then the same stakeout that was done uh November of 2025. As you as you can see, everything is in the house was placed in the same exact spot. So um during that point we we of the cease and desist order we stop the construction obviously. Um the rain that happened during that time flooded the uh the excavation. So we ended up having to rip out all the all all the forms that we had in place but they were garbage. Um, and then I had it uh reserveyed for you. So, nothing changed. I mean, the house was in the forms and the house and the location was in the location specified.

I don't have copies of 205. That's a mistake here. I'm sorry. The materials you provided for me. Yes, sir. This this is the map you gave me. This is Is that different than this? Yeah, that's the house right there. Okay. Yeah. But the the survey that you're passing around tonight looks different, I think, than what we're looking at. Well, no. We're looking at only lot two at that surve I understand, but that's a new that's a new piece of evidence. We We didn't have that until tonight. So, we're going to probably have to mark that. Well, I emailed it to you, but that's fine. No problem. Fair enough. So that's

so nothing changed from the original placement of the forms to today's excavation cuz the forms are gone. We ended up having to rip those out uh based on the assumption that the house was in the wrong place. This one. So basically what that's done through us has uh caused a lot of uh extra work, money, and time. And now the banks are questioning again what's going on. So we're at a we're at a point at a tipping point at this point that if we don't get the cease and desist order released, we're back to where we were back to square one. This was all assumed that it was in the wrong place, but wasn't.

So, there were other issues that you had brought to light, Eric. Yeah, this is one of the issues. I will also ask again since I I don't recall seeing this before. Um, your proposed septic system. I see the well, where is the proposed septic going to be on here? So we can just see where that is in relation to the um well again since this hasn't changed it should be on the original plan that's what you have right there. This is what you gave that one that one should show over there.

It doesn't even have a well on it proposed silos control this way. Yeah. So that I I will go back and see where the original septic is is compared to what you're showing tonight. Um again there let's we'll leave this one aside. I guess you've now provided this showing that it was in the proper location. I appreciate it. This was how this was submitted originally to the PA. Yes. Which showed the septic and the well and everything else.

And as part of the building permit process, everyone including you is obligated to demonstrate that this foundation is in the proper location. You were not asked to do anything different than anybody else with a building permit application. We have a surveyor certificate that everyone provides showing the foundation's in the right location. So that's that is pretty much what you've just now given us. But that's after the foundation or the footing is poured and I give you I give you what you're saying. That's okay. There's two there's one which is phase one and one there's phase two on the on the foundation. So after footing's poured, the phase two um foundation certificate is is given.

Correct. But I never got to get to that point because it was assumed that this was in the wrong place. Regardless, we're here now. I just want to get this released so I can say to my bank, we're done. We can go forwards. Okay. Why don't we go? Otherwise, if I lose that loan, and that's the second loan that I would be losing on this whole property. Okay. We we'll get to I have a whole bunch of things to say. Lana, you put on all the material you would like to put on and then we will discuss where we going.

Yeah, that's it. That's that's phase that's number one is the the foundation for lot number two. And second is a set of plans drawn up recently by uh Fetis engineering. Uh they went out and took a look at what needed to be done for erosion control and have a set of plans here and I'd like I need I wanted to start on this but I said let me just get it approved first. So if everybody if you want to look at it I I yield around by all but that's that's the new erosion control plan. I also sent you a letter today from

I have that as well

which where he says that the work that you had recommended or he had recommended for the uh wetlands to be dug out by hand is complete and done. Okay. Thanks. He's not very specific person. So everything everything that this board has asked us to do, we've done. Now with the snow, it's going to be a little difficult for me to put in some erosion controls, but we'll do the best we can. Eric,

did this all come in today or yesterday? Okay. The Snowarski letter is new. Okay. Um the this I um I had not seen before. Um it's a 2023 one. Yeah. The 25 I sent you. I What's 2025?

It says November 4th, 2025. Um, in any event, the one I did see is the one I think you you have on the table now, um, which is the larger version of the erosion control plan theoretically shown on it. So, yes. So, that's the old erosion control plan. This is the original, you know, this is Oh, that's the new one. This is the new one. Yes, I have I have the original one, right? Um and I'm just going to show the commission.

So, obviously during the construction, we you know, we had larger amount of area to put our top soil. Um, so this new one addresses existing conditions, the area where we put the top soil and everything else that needed needs to be incorporated. Okay, this is the original erosion control plan which has a narrative that goes on for a page. Um the new erosion control plan does not have any of the original narrative and the original narrative was not followed. Um and I provided to the commission photographs that I took um that demonstrate that again the new erosion control plan is also not presently being followed. So to the extent that you were obligated to keep the um start with let's let's start with the these are the catch basins. All of your catch basins at the moment have again these hay bales that are not being refreshed and siltation that is building up behind each of the hay.

Well they they don't even belong here. We just we put the silk sacks in. That's just extra that we put in there. Can you remind me the date that you took those photos, please? Sure. Uh, the silk sacks are in place. We put additional hay bales to help us catch whatever before it gets into the silt sacks. Okay. So, we've been maintaining it. Um, everything is grown in the grass. I mean, we've cut the grass several times during the the summer. So, there's no more erosion happening. This was taken on January 13th of this year. Okay.

Okay. So, this is approximately two weeks old at this point in time. Um, but again, as of the date of all the pictures that were emailed out to the commission members, um, again, at that point in time, the erosion control measures were not being maintained. The silk fences had largely collapsed. Um, and the proposed silt fences that he showed on here had not been placed. They still have not been placed to my knowledge. Well, I wanted to get this approved before I did any work because that's that's where I'm at. You know, I'm afraid to do anything. When did this What's the date of this uh erosion control? January 2nd.

So, I did not I had not seen this until after I came back and did these photos. But in any event, the bottom line is the new requirements even by his own plan have not yet been followed. Um, additionally, the 20ft vegetative buffer that is supposed to be shown in this plan is still not on the plan. Um, so I I'm concerned that we're sort of going back and restarting some of the same issues we had before. Um, additionally, he still owes us a bond, which he has not provided, and is indicated he will not be providing. Um so again I I have concerns I guess obviously this is a commission decision. This is your order. Um but I I mean Mr. Noto is indicating that we have caused him a lot of problems but the real the reality is that these are problems that were done by Mr. Notoid himself and we have had to respond to um and so I would say that to the extent that he is struggling with the bank that he is struggling with loans it is not the commission's responsibility to make sure he stays in good standing with the bank. So here what I'd like to do I would like to do this erosion control plan right to the tea. Unfortunately with the snow now it's a different story but as we remember everything was grown in already. Grass was cut, grass was in place. Um the road is still under construction. Granted we screwed up. So I don't give me a co. That's fine. Let me fix it. It's still under construction. The house is in the right place. The buffer you're looking for, there's no sense in me doing it now while I'm still grading the property for lot number two.

I'm not asking for you to put it in. You you ask the commission to allow the existing vegetation to remain in lie of putting in new vegetation. I'm just asking it be shown on the plan. That that's easy enough. Yes, sir. Um, additionally, per the requirements of the original order regarding the material to come out, you were supposed to notify me before you started work. I found out about the excavation because our chair happened to drive by and see that there was work being done. Do you recall when the excavation took place? I don't, but that I I I don't recall you asking for me to call you before I dug the footings. Okay. For the footings. I understand. Let's just which is not normal anyway. I you know I

You're right. This whole situation has been vastly abnormal. I will concede to that. Regarding the material that came out, do you know where it went? Uh that material that came out of the footings? No, no, no. The material that was dug by your workers where Mr. Snarksky wanted it dug out. That was the first thing we were talking about tonight. Where did it go? We spread it out all across this this property here. Do you know how many cubic yards you took out?

Um 6,000 square ft is uh I don't have my calculator. How many square yards is that? And how many cubic yards is that? That's what we took out. Okay. All by hand. Okay. Square feet and cubic yards are well different measurements. We went down 6 in according to what you wanted. So easy enough to calculate. Fair enough. At this point, again, I I have said what I needed to say. You said, but you need to say I will let the commission get involved in this. It is their order. Okay.

So, all I'm asking for is an approval to go ahead and use this new plan for erosion as soon as I could get it done and to release this cease and desist on. Number two, number two, we didn't do anything wrong. We we we dug the footing. We dug the hole. We put the plan the the footings the forms in. It was assumed by this commission that it was in the wrong place. I went ahead and lost all my forms through the through the the water and then now I got to put it all back in the same place. Any questions? Yes, Michael.

Yeah, it seems to me if we we got stuff what yesterday or today, right? Because Donald was closed yesterday. It would be who I would like to see kind of a summary report as Eric has done on this for our February meeting. No, it's pretty you can figure out I emailed out to you my updated version of the memo that I've been sort of doing several times now. So, you got um emailed out to you on the 13th a version of the memo that should have looked Let me see if I can pull it out like this. Okay. Okay. This was sent out on the 13th of January. Okay.

Um and again, that was the same day I came back after taking these pictures and then printed out the pictures, did the memo, um because again, the point was I wanted you to have this far in advance of this meeting so you would be able to sort of understand where we were. Things have obviously changed somewhat since then. We now have Starks report um which we didn't have when I did the memo. We didn't have until very recently uh today. Um, but here we are. Um, start the he was very difficult to get a hold of. So, but he was out there early January. I don't remember what he said. I think he said the 26th. So, the letter has not come back to me for

So, from what you sent on the 13th, that updated memo with the the updates, the stars letter is the only material change as far as new materials, right? Um, the only real change since then is the stars letter. Yes. But the erosion control plan that came in is missing all of the notes from the original erosion control plan which really the contractor needs to follow whoever is doing that. And then did we take court action? Remind me. No, we are not in court on this matter. No. So So we're in court on

You're in court on 308-1. Right. That's the next matter we're talking about after this. This matter we haven't started court action on. Okay. So this is this is the original erosion control plan. Um if you'll notice on what you got this time there is a sheet two. Um it has the details but no notes. So I mean the difference between this and this is all the verbiage. Are the are the are the engineers the same or No different engineer. We have different engineer. This is Lorero. This is Fetis. We've changed engineers. This is based on the existing conditions versus,

you know, the existing conditions aren't great, but you really need the list of things that need to be done as you implement the sedimentation erosion control plan for whoever's going to do that so they know what to follow. Well, that's fine. I mean, if there's anything on that plan that correlates with this one, not an issue. But right now, I just

Well, everything's been an issue with this subject. I mean, you you promise to do things and they don't get done. And if we don't have really documentation, there's especially if we're trying to approve something on information that we just received. Um I just think given the history of this thing, we need to um I'd like to look in detail, for example, of the two plans at least. I mean, I I I didn't look sufficiently at them to detect, you know, why didn't we get the November 25th plan earlier? I mean, it's January, you know, it's almost February. Um,

as soon as I got this from Fetus, I I emailed it whether again I I we we sent out what we received. I don't recall receiving the November 4th plan. If I had received it, you would have gotten it. I will double check my email to make sure we Yeah. Well, I would had no reason to hold it back. So, I'm not questioning that. I go back and search my records. I don't believe I ever saw that plan before tonight. Okay. We're all on the same page as far as getting this project done. So, what's happening with the bond? Yeah.

Um there's some questions with the bond. I mean, right now you're asking us to do put a bond up for the road. Um I don't know. We're still under construction. I mean, just tell me you won't accept those items. You won't give me a CO until that's done and we're good. Why did you know why do we need a bond for that? The bond isn't only half the road and the road the road is private. The road isn't what the bond is for. The bond is for silver erosion control based on

We have 50,000 that was requested for erosion control,000 for the road. The bond was created based on the city's engineer saying that it was 32,000 to remediate the wetlands which is done and 70,000 to re to redo the road. The road really has nothing to do with the bond that we're asking for. Well, that's how they come up that's how you came up with 100,000. It it was also a factor of your entities interactions with the town and with this agency.

Well, obviously, you know, it's a lot of frustration. It's not that we're we're not mad at anybody, but we're, you know, we're we're hurting just like anybody else would. I understand, but the town is taking on significant risk, and that's what the bond is to help with. if if the project ultimately fails, if you can't find the funding, this is something where if the town has to come in and do emergency measures, that it's something that the taxpayers of this town are not responsible for that your entity is for the work that you have done on the site to date. But I'm not done. I'm still under construction. I still I've only done half the road and I screwed it up. We're going to fix that. The other half will be done correctly.

I understand. your the assertation at the beginning of this that you would not be paying the bond means that we will not be lifting the cease and desist. We need the bonds. That's fine. I don't know what else to say. This is this is killing us. So the whole time Eric is Eric has had a pretty clear list of issues that need to be addressed. But that's what we've done. We we we've done the remediation of the of the wetlands.

Well, we really haven't had a chance to we didn't know that the expert was going to submit a letter until we got it today. I'd like to at least take a look at that to see what were, you know, is there any other did they get everything? I'm assuming, you know, the expert looked at it and is correct that the letter is kind of brief, right? And I think that's been it's been the MMO of this is we get things the day of or the day before the meeting and we don't have time to process.

I apologize. You know, Snarski was out there uh a couple of weeks ago and he's just failed until today. I called him every 20 minutes to give me something by the way. Sure. Just keeping it going. the file here and it says January 20th. So he was out there last week and we just got it today. So we got we are we are make sure he gets back and want to keep these or um why don't I take a copy?

Yeah, just you can keep them. I have them on emails. Okay, I will keep you. We need to send them back to you electronically. Yes, no big deal. Your original. Okay, thank you. Okay, so um we'll need to continue this to the March meeting. I really really need the cease and desist order on lot number two. You all assumed that the the plans that the footings were in the wrong place. They're not. But that wasn't the only issue.

We also, this goes back a couple years, we walked out there, all the flagging was gone and there was activity in the protected area and we couldn't tell how far the forms were from the wetlands. So then it was refl submit after that, but at no point did anyone with this commission imply that you need to rip out the forms or redigs replaced to make sure that the distance from the the existing activity was appropriate distance. I I was told get me a new set of show me that they're in the right place and we'll lift the cease and desist and I did. I don't know what else to No, that's not true. We told you that. I mean, yeah, we hear so many mistakes. But what what was the cease desist for then?

The failure to implement a sedimentation erosion control which created all of the sediment going down to the wetland which you had to remove all the sediment from the wetland. And the the thing is is that you haven't followed the detailed sedimentation erosion control plan and you say you're going to do it. You haven't done it. You didn't post the bond. We were very concerned that we were going to be stuck with having to do the erosion control plan in charge of citizens. So we started at the top of the hill and walked down and the sandbags weren't maintained. The hay bells weren't maintained. The checkown wasn't maintained. We had sedimentation and the and it was just like every element of the ENS plan was failing or failed when we walked through. So, it required some remediation, but that's why there's a bond in place cuz we can't trust that that doesn't happen again.

Right. Okay. So, Eric, do you need a motion to continue this to the next meeting or?

Um, I don't know that I wish to continue it, but I mean, he's asked you to lift the cease and sister order. I he probably wanted to give a motion one way or the other on that and and I will publish notice that he's that we're not lifting the order, and if he wants to appeal by superior court, he can, but I think at this point he's come and requested the order be lifted and I think we need to take some action on the request. No. Um, I would make a motion that we not lift the cease and desist order at this time until a bond is paid. And, um, the the matters that are mentioned in the cease and desist are adequately dealt with to the satisfaction of this commission and our town engineer. Is that enough for your

second? Thanks, Tom. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Motion passes. And do I get a can I get a list of those actions that I need to I will put put together a list and I will forward for the Cynthis quarter. Yep. I will make sure you have that list. Okay. It's not going to be tonight, but I I'll get you that list within the next two days. Thank you. Thank you. All right, moving on to regular business. Item number one is WEO updates.

Okay. Um, it says 308-1 and I know that they're here. I had nothing really new to report. Um, as you know, we sort of reached a point where you guys were not going to drop the litigation until certain fees were paid. They were not willing to pay those fees. We haven't moved since the last meeting. So, I really have nothing further to update you on at this point in time. I don't know if the property owners have anything further to add to that. Nothing. So used to being here, we just figured you show. Hi there. You came out in the snow. Know the rules very well. Greatucation. There you go.

Um any can you follow up with attorney Cassella just very hard to reach on many things, but I will follow up with attorney Cassella on where we are with that. Okay. Okay. and and he'll just talk to your attorney. That way, we're not having any conversations with you. We know you're represented. We don't want you to speak without your attorney present or advising you. Are you guys aware of where you're at with the lawsuit?

That's what Eric was just indicating is that he's has not heard from attorney Cassella on this. So, I want him to follow up with Attorney Cassella. Okay. Um, regarding 40 Flat Rock Hill, this is the one that you indicated there was forestry activity and did not impinge on your jurisdiction. Um, since that time, the neighbor contacted the state to say that there was activity going out there. The state forester had to go out there and review what was going on. Um I also went out back out and reviewed what was going on. Um both the state forester and I had have agreed that they are doing exactly what their uh request was for cutting of trees and therefore it was not a wetlands activity. But um because it did go to the state because the state forester was obligated to come out and check on it. Um I did want to pass back to you that the activities that have been conducted on site have matched what was originally proposed to you. So, you should be relatively confident that your determination of no jurisdiction was the proper determination. Any questions about that?

Good to hear. Um, Eric, did you tell the complainer that that was the answer? They know

the the the not only did I tell, but the state forester himself wrote to say, "I went out and yes, it looks exactly like it's supposed to look and no, I'm not coming back out." So, um, yeah, it was it went through Marco Shoemaker, first selectman. Everybody in town was notified by the neighbor of the terrible activities that were going on there. Um, and again, the state forester himself came down and took a look and responded. No, it looked very much like it was supposed to look. So, the one thing that did need to happen unrelated to wetlands was they needed to put down an anti-tracking pad because they were getting mud all over the road. Um, that has not been done, but again, that's not a wetlands thing. That's just a construction thing. I was out there to make sure that that did occur. Okay.

It was the first time I had to conflict myself out at work. It was lovely. Don't send me those voicemails. Okay. Um 77-1 Lime Street. Um this is one that we uh the chair vice chair and I agree that we were to handle administratively. Um this is the for the new apartments. I'm not sure you remember going on the sidewalk. Okay. It turns out that um they own a lot less land than they thought they did.

Oh man. Um so instead of doing two eight unitit buildings, they're now doing two 4unit buildings. Um with a result that their site plan is now shrunk. The activities that you were looking at in the wetlands are no longer going to happen there. They are putting in a detention basin um on the front property there within the 100 foot upland review area. But in talking with the chair and the vice chair, the thought was that this was so much less than was originally proposed to you that I was going to be able to handle it administratively. So that's what I did. But I wanted to report back to you so you understood that we've now got a much smaller project. It's going to be in front of plenty of in front of the zoning commission this coming month for public hearing. Um actually March for public hearing on that one. But in any event, um it is um got two four unit of buildings as opposed to two 8-unit buildings and a much much smaller wetlands footprint than previously been disclosed to you folks. So that's where we are with that one. Again, that was also again administratively approved like the one tonight. Um notice has gone out to them on that, but I I felt obligated to come back and just explain to you where we are with that. And that's pretty much all I've got for us.

Any questions? All right. We figured it would be easier than restarting from the beginning with the Line Street Apartments just because it was such a smaller scope. So, all right. So, then moving on to regular business item number two for the reading and approval of the minutes. Um, the first one is for the regular meeting of November 25th. I do not believe I was there. Um, so I'll let Tom I don't think I was there either. Oh. Oh no. Who was there? Julie can tell you if we have John. Oh, John.

Thank you so much, Julian. Um, it was Michael, Peter, Rob, Todd, John, and Jared. Okay. So, did you guys have any changes to the minutes that were sent out? All right. So, um, can somebody that was there make a motion to approve the minutes? The minutes be approved. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor? I I Okay. And then abstensions. Me. It's like all of us. Wow. Just need to get to the next one. Oh god. Okay. So, November 30th, special site, which only three people attended. Amazing. Um, so yeah. H

do we if it wasn't we didn't have a quorum so it's not a meeting maybe we just put a note in you need minutes just saying that there was no quorum and that no official business was conducted so you just need to note in the record that that happened okay so you can move to approve the minutes as provided by Julie on that one we'll just note that there was no quorum and no business conducted I second so move then did they come back any approvals Who? So Pete and Michael were there and John John. Oh, okay. So, okay. Everyone else is abstaining. Okay. The short answer is they came back with new wetlands mapping showing they were outside the 100 foot area.

Okay. So, they withdrew the application and we are not going forward because they're outside 100 foot area. So, that's what happened on that one. Okay. So, that's I understand. But I mean apparently they did weapons mapping and you saw in the distance the weapons flags on the adjacent site there and the we had apparently mapping that showed that that was as close as it got and therefore we're at no jurisdiction. So Okay. Okay. Perfect.

Well, with that before I like put in the uh the motion to adjourn, I just want to thank you all for an amazing time on Wetlands. I know Tom, you've been there since before I was. And so, um, really appreciate all of you and all of your hard work on this commission. I'm going to miss you guys. Um, I'm not going to miss sitewalks and I'm not going to miss late night meetings, but it's been a real pleasure. So, thank you so much. And on the agenda for March, we're going to need election of officers because obviously current slate of people expires February 1st and we're going to need a election of officers motion coming up for that next meeting. So if you're interested, throw your hat in the ring.

It's really fun. Run. No. Well, okay. So, I will make a motion to adjourn this meeting. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks. Um, no time.