City Council - Regular Meeting

contact. I thought we were good to go on that.

So I can tell. Okay. Your new block letter formatting is not easy on the eyes. I don't think you think it's better on the eyes. We'll see.

I said I was sorry. This is why you don't give people authority if they don't need authority. I had author apparently I had access to the uh there's just a lot more stuff. I decided to type my notes. I thought you were sending me just a copy of the agenda. So I'm just typing my notes on the bottom of it. They calls me and says why are you adjusting the main agenda? I'm like I didn't know I had that ability. There's an edit history though. So it's just easy to go back history. But I just couldn't print it. Did you have it open and all of a sudden you see words flying around? Like what is going on here?

Did you see my typos and back up back and forth? Yeah. should be any second. I got 6 p.m. Is everybody ready? Like to call the Oglesby city council meeting to order. A roll call, please. Baldrich here. Cullinin here. McDermott here. Moy here. Currin

here. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. Algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.

Number three, mayor's report. Uh the first item I have, I just wanted to make a mention. uh with the passing of Ron Moore uh while not an elected official, appointed official or a city retire retiree, he was an extremely influential uh person in our community. Not only did he run one of the most iconic businesses in Oglesby for for multiple decades um but he was about the most kind person to be able to communicate with. Uh plus he's employed about half the youth throughout the entire city. So um he will be missed. Ron, you will be missed. Uh number two, May 23rd, Park in the Park will be back. New item this year will be characters with pets. I'm a big fan of those. We have a stairwell with lots of fun ones in it, but I didn't get uh one with our Cooper before he passed last year. So, a great opportunity to make a unique memory for those that would be interested. Number three, um DH Foundation fundraising dinner May 18th, uh chicken dinner at Calinos. You can get tickets at city hall for $15 or order at the door as well. Uh, number four, um, I want to address statements made during commissioner reports at our last meeting. I did not intend to revisit this matter publicly. However, the way it was presented without context and with serious implications caused confusion in the community after many discussions with others that created. For that reason, it is necessary to respond and provide clarity based on facts. Now, I'm reading this from script because I've been known to flub my words and I want to be cautious that I'm not attacking someone's character, but making sure I'm giving out what factual information I know and be clear on the parts that I don't know because the comments at the face of them appear serious in nature and deserve clear context for the public. Regarding the matter referenced from January 2nd, a private off thereord conversation was requested by and occurred between a city employee and a commissioner in an effort to clear the air. Following that conversation, I was contacted and asked to review a number of concerns by the commissioner as they thought the conversation was inappropriate. Because of the amount of details, I requested

those concerns in email, received them text the next day, which were mostly the same as what I was told the day before, acknowledged receipts, and initiated review on the that Monday. I started looking into what had occurred by talking with the employee and follow found while some details were different, the general consensus of the discussion was accurate. By accurate, I mean a very poor discussion. I thought the concern was at least valid enough that we should discuss. The matter was brought into close session and discussed over multiple meetings with both the city and labor attorney present. After reviewing all available information, both attorneys advised that the matter was civil in nature between individuals and did not warrant council action or discipline. Based on that guidance and in the absence of any new information since that time, the matter to me was considered addressed and concluded as far as council needs.

Excuse me. and we haven't had a closed session in the past several meetings. That's why I was confused by someone trying to address a closed matter from close session from almost four months ago. It doesn't reflect the process that was followed. Now, there were other numerous claims that were brought forth, and I want to be considerate here because I simply don't know all the specifics. I could assume a few things, but I don't want to do that and be wrong if someone has serious and viable concerns that should be addressed. So, instead, I'll stick to the facts of what I do know. Claims of being excluded on economic development involvement. Under our form of government, commissioners are assigned departments and involvement is based on responsibilities. Economic development efforts typically involve infrastructure, utilities, permitting, finance, and other related functions. Commissioners responsible for those areas are involved as needed based on operational relevance. The health and safety commissioner has limited direct involvement in those functions as those departments don't generally deal with those things. However, there was one major economic development item that dealt with our recent ordinance edition of sprinkler systems of which I did engage the commissioner and the fire chief on to get a be get a bit of research done to help guide the council. All economic development concerns that rises to the council level requiring broader consideration is when everyone is included. That is not exclusion. It's the structure of how this government operates. regarding claims of inappropriate language. The phrase referenced was a commonly used idiom to describe alignment or agreement on stances or positions. The term was in bed together. I was in the room when it was used. It was never used in a way that was to address anything inappropriate.

Hold it. Hold it. Granted, Jason, hold it. Come on. Now you're This is my report. Hold it. Yeah, you're correct. This is my report. But you're making accus I'm not making any accusations. These are the facts. This is my report. Well, then you need to let somebody else retaliation, but you go right on ahead there. Come on.

I was in the room when it was used. It was It was there. Um, we got the minutes for it. Uh, it was used never used in a way that was to address anything inappropriate. Granted, that idiom was quite old and dated and should likely be retired as it can cause a double meaning. Point is, presenting it that is something different changes the nature of the statement and creates a misleading impression. I can assure you the commissioner meant no ill will by that term. If necessary, when those minutes are released, we can release the verbatim audio if we must put the concern to rest. Regarding claims of being silenced, I'm not aware of any substantial examples that support those claims. I think the length of our council meetings would show the opposite of silence is occurring. Council meetings provide consistent opportunities for discussion. Oddly enough, I have been including council final comments specifically intended to ensure each member has the ability to speak on any open topic they would choose. that would have been the time and location to address such a matter if necessary. Hopefully, this will help highlight the importance of other means of communication if people are so concerned about being silenced. Disagreements are not the same as silencing. They are part of the normal function of a governing body. The claim of being intimidated and yelled at while leaning over a table during official meetings. I don't know if that's referring to council meetings or some other kind of meeting. Either way, I'm unfamiliar with what that is. It is important to be clear, disagreement is not misconduct. Every member of this council, including myself, has had positions that were challenged, set aside, or not acted upon. That is not a failure of the system. That is how representative government functions. Serving as an elected official does not come with a guarantee that your views will be accepted, prioritized, or even agreed with. I support majority consensus as the best path for decision-making, provided that consensus is reached freely and not through coercion or manipulation. Bullying should never be tolerated. Elected officials may feel frustrated when their positions are criticized, questioned, or ultimately dismissed. However, they do not have the right to characterize those experiences when they occur within

public meetings, votes, or deliberations as misconduct. Public service carries with it an inherent obligation to withstand scrutiny. That is not unfair. It's a fun it's fundamental to the role. During the last meeting, the opportunity existed to move into executive session to address any of these any of these concerns appropriately. No motion was made. Following the meeting, I reached out directly and offered to discuss any of these matters further with a witness president or initiate a formal review if warranted. After 72 hours of no response, I reached out directly to the commissioner to make sure she did get the email because our email system hasn't been super reliable lately. That offer was acknowledged as received and no additional information or request for action was provided. In closing, my responsibility is to ensure that concerns are addressed through proper channels based on facts and with consistency. That standard will continue to be upheld. I leave you with this question. When concerns are raised publicly but are not brought forward through established processes, not pursued in close session, and not followed up when the opportunities provided, what purpose were those public statements intended to serve? And my last item, I just wanted to uh finish on something positive. I want to wish an upcoming happy Mother's Day this Sunday to all the moms that may only get one day of appreciation for all the other things they have to do for the remaining 364 days. Also, big thanks to all the teachers out there this week for teacher appreciation week that mold their kids during the daytime hours. And that is all I have. Next item, uh number four, public comment on agenda items only.

You're just off my number because I'm off. Yeah, just because you festival formatting of it. So just everything add one to everything. Add one to it. Yep. Okay. No. Um I think if Yes, if you'd like. Right there at the podium, please. My numbers are off, huh? Yeah. Try to remember that.

You just got to pull it forward to you. There there's a little button on the bottom. Uh my my name is Chris Sienza. I'm a lifelong resident of Oglesby and part of five generations of Senzas that have lived in Oglesby. I work at the junior high and the college in town. Has been questioned by Mr. Kamish a couple times that he doesn't know who owns or bought my house. So I'll clear up that it is me. I worked three jobs and had several extra stipens for most of my early career. Got two master's degrees over my first few years of teaching and lived at home for seven years to save up with the goal of building a house in town. When I built my house, my parents helped with logistical things while I was at work. I met my future wife Mandy here in the middle of building the house. The dream coming true was very exciting. We tried to be extra respectful of every property around us. Jamie Vance, the contractor, was who had the back neighbors moved the shed sitting on the property, not us when we asked about would we get a clear title and such. We even ran all the gutters from the front and back middle of the yard through underground piping, none on the sides. If you know anyone who knows me, I'm sure they would say, "My wife and I are high character individuals who don't try to get away with anything. Contrary to what has been stated at these last couple meetings, never try to be hypocritical, pretty much stay quiet and to ourselves, and are wellresearched individuals of high character." A lot has been said about me in particular by the city council over the last few meetings in the last few years. One meeting in June 6th of 22, we were joked about is paying Pat Barry because he advised the council to move forward and not back and was kind enough to speak with us to get our story. That the council should just bulldoze my fence down and that we were unreasonable for having a city person out to the property a few times to look at things and that we require some extreme amount of patience to deal with. This was all done without talking to us or getting our story. Mayor Avara yelled at my parents when they attempted to talk to him before they even said a word as he was making unreasonable demands of us two years after we built everything and had it all signed off on. Mr. Kameh was given over an hour of podium time the last couple weeks when these issues were

brought up once again, including in a meeting where nothing was on the agenda and he was told several times we would discuss it when on the agenda. As with Mr. Kish's podium time, I hope and expect to give be given a similar amount of time to respond to all these accusations. Mind you, I do this because for some reason zoning board meeting from my neighbor about the other side of my property was brought up and somehow the discussion turned into my property for a large part of two meetings. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions after I respond to the accusations. In terms of the sidewalk, there has been a great discussion. We trying to be thorough asked the city several times what all we needed. Citizens are not usually legal experts and I doubt if we want to attract younger people to locals be many of them are either. We were told by the county the street was built in the wrong location as evidenced by the sidewalks being in different sides. parts on each side of the street. The utilities run directly under where most of our sidewalk would be, including to a manhole within our front property pin that Mr. Mr. Kasperski told us to bury as they would find it if needed. I had Commissioner Cerran out to the property to ask about these things and asked to ask to replace the sidewalk if the utilities need accessed. He said us and we asked because the covenants were never put in place if it was a necessity because we can't afford to replace it every time the city needs access. Three of us were there under the impression he said no. Though I know he disputes we misunderstood this after the city started coming after us two years later. At the time the city issued everything and we passed final inspection with no problems and we thought all was fine. Mind you the things that went into the decision to put the sidewalk up to the driveway which is where we did put that piece in and no further were no one from the city talked to us about how to make that corner ADA compliant or had a process for that. The utilities of course needing access on our dime when directly under most of that where that sidewalk would be the same locations across from and behind us not having a sidewalk to the corner and the busy intersection would kids would be riding right into as many ride their scooters, bikes and other things to our driveway and then turn around from there rather than going towards the street. It was

never about getting away with anything, not complying or refusing anything. As evidence we try to be super respectful of all involved. We built our house 8 ft off the property line, which is now actually 10 due to a missing pin I'll get to in a minute. Mr. Kimenez is not 8 ft off as required. He is self admittedly six and a half, though he lied about how far off we were. Will he be forced to move his whole house if we were coming after things? Mind you, we are not hypocrites in this regard because any examples we bring up are only to ask why repeatedly come after us all the time and never because we want anyone else gone after. To be clear, I don't think anyone should be gone after for gray area past things. If you can 100% prove beyond a reasonable doubt, as our court system would say, a situation should never have been a certain way and there were no city errors or processes or relationships in the way, fine. But that is not the case for a lot of us. Mr. Kameh, on the other hand, is telling you to go after us despite the sidewalks also being an issue directly across from us where the school kids are picked up and across from us the other way where they're dropped off. I have also never said Mr. Kmen should move any existing structure beyond what was agreed, not over as the shed is currently. and have not even said no to any potential agreement. I am a research person who considers things first. I believe that reasonable, especially given the circumstances and what he has said about us. Mind you, he has never approached me about anything still until just before this meeting. I'll get to in a minute. Despite me saying a potential agreement is not out of the question at the zoning board meeting over a month ago. He has tried to attack my character here in other aspects of my life since though. Mr. Mr. Curran told me, "Nobody is questioning my character, but when it is insinuated we are hypocrites trying to get away with something, refusing to comply or did anything other than be respectful to the Commen residents, that is about character to me." In terms of the Kmen relationship, after our fence was put in, he has come to talk to me zero times. We have never done anything to him, and I literally mean nothing. I have never formally complained about anything. did not pull up a piece of divider structure that was on our property as accused by him and tried multiple times to go to him and ask why he was angry at us and see if we could reasonably talk it talk it out.

Chris, I to this day Chris, hold on. I you're on a roll. I get it. I just want to let you know your five minutes did come up. I I'm respecting the idea that keep in mind when Commanders talked last time, it was mostly because other commissioners asked and was engaging with him. But I will give you more time. I usually let people know if they can wrap things up, but if you want to take a little bit more time to to respond to things, I I will do that. I appreciate it. I got about one more pitch. Okay, go ahead.

Um, I to this day have no idea why he dislikes us other than we stand up for ourselves. The only time he did initiate coming to talk to me was a protest grass cutting. He thought we were cutting a few inches of his. I told him I thought the property line was elsewhere. He bered and cussed me out for this. Another time, he boxed me into my own fence with his lawnmower for a few moments and walked away without a word. I assumed to intimidate or annoy me. The shed and partial fence were both put in within a month of this grass line disagreement, which was on 627 or 21. I did find what I thought was the line, still trying to be respectful, but then the city came at me again for the fence due to a supposed complaint. During the fence building process in 2020, we had Brian fell out several times and he signed off on everything and approved where it was. We wanted to make sure everything was good. The holes and post sat there for three weeks and then it went up. Then someone complained, which no one talked to us about again, to get our side. And then the city came at us for the fence, too. The insinuation is we were slightly over the line on one back panel for a few inches. With the length of fence and the property, we knew this couldn't be. So between the grass line objection and this issue, we had Chamlin refine the pins. There was one missing in the back corner between our two properties that threw everything off two feet. So even with us being extra respectful and staying 8 ft off, we lost two feet to build on there as well. I will say the fence again is only partly over for a small section of a few inches and in no way inhibits the easement in any way from putting anything like sidewalk or anything. We actually moved the fence 5t in from where Brian Spelch told we us we could because he approved it as 5t from the curb. We have the papers we submitted. We stayed two feet off in the front and back too to be extra respectful. So even though 18 is required to try to let people fit lawnmowers and such in Pat Barry was asked about these issues brought um being brought to us and advised the council in general to move forward as moving back can only cause problems legally and for citizens. We thought the issues were dead until the council allowed Mr. Kameh to complain about us without any of it being on the

agenda. Call Mr. Spelch if you're unsure about this. He has cooperated the story multiple times about how we went about this. I hope that answers your questions and I just ask you do a few things going forward. This is a variance review. The zoning board decides that, not me. I expressed concerns, not even outright objections. I think that reasonable. And I even said I understood the hardship at that zoning board meeting. I expressed my concerns at the zoning board meeting and have since refined those. Most of them have to do with liability, maintenance, and property line concerns that could be addressed with an agreement. Our only other concern was about the electric line on the 123 Caitlyn property uh to the uh west side and what happens if it needs access, which again I think is a reasonable concern just to make sure that everything would be okay if it does need access. Um we are also not going to let things go on one side of our property only for the city and Mr. Kamar to attack us on the other side. Number two, please don't come out after citizens for city mistakes, confusing processes, or inspector errors. There's not the way to help Ogles be grow in these already tough economic times. Most citizens are not legal experts, rely on the city for what to do, and do not know they need to document every interaction relentlessly just in case. If you have errors in emissions policies, grants, and can otherwise fix problems not on citizens back, or Mr. Kmen offered to pay for the sidewalk in the one meeting, that's fine, too. Uh, but we are teachers and don't have the money to fix these things without talking to me. The city has also tossed out ideas on how to fix this, targeted at me, and pushed me to an agreement with Mr. uh and still implied they would come after me anyway. It certainly seems a little unfair to me to come after one citizen but then ask the same citizen to give to their neighbor. Please refrain from talking. Number three, please refrain from talking about our family as individuals at meetings. We are not an individual case as there have been many things before and after our residence built on our same street. They are not perfect or errors were made. We should not be an individual target because of political relationships or personal crusades or vendettas. It would have been great if our story was asked about before we were talked about at length at recent meetings as we've had enough

emotional pain and distress as a family from all of this. Number four, and lastly, remember you represent us all, not just the loudest among us. We are willing to stick up for ourselves when necessary, but that might not be true of everyone. This is not a huge town. Talk to and get the stories of all people being affected by what you propose. It is never as simple as it seems, and there are real people affected by everything you do, including many who are meek or might not understand to the level others do. I appreciate all your time and I know it's a tough and sometimes thankless job. I've tried myself to put a lot of research and time into this. Certainly not because we wanted to, but because I believe thoroughess important before making decisions and to reinforce our character as we would never do anything to purposely harm or annoy anyone nor purposely disobey city rules. If you want to follow up, you know where to reach me and I'm always happy if you have reasonable further discussions to be had. Thank you from

I appreciate that. Thank you. Can I ask one question? What font is on that last page? What font size? I'm just I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Sorry. All right. Thank you. Are there any other public comments for agenda items only? If not, we'll move on. Uh Brian.

Nope. Okay. I'm Kimish. Um, okay. So, we did a foy for a couple variances that were granted in the city. And I just most of the variances that we were sent were for sideyard, rear yard, and front yard sets. And I guess it's for the zoning board. Everything had to be an exceptional hardship to be granted. Black and white. So, I'm a little bit confused how the yard setbacks are an exceptional hard uh exceptional hardship. Sorry. So, there was one that stated that the requested change would not adversely affect the adjacent property and the lot a bus to a 16 foot deadend alley. So, the area that we're asking for is not a dead end alley obviously, but space. There's plenty of room to get to the maintenance of their property. Um, and there's nothing else back there. It's just dead grass and gravel. Um, there is another one that So, it was in reference to a garage. So, it conformed to the general scheme of other improvements in the neighborhood. Our fence would be completely in line with the other improvements and scheme of the neighborhood. There's another one where a bigger driveway was granted. I don't understand how that's a hardship. There's one that there was a taller structure which was a garage was granted. I don't understand how that's a hardship. And on January 11th, 2017, board

unanimously recommended that a variance be granted that all sides of the yard setbacks be changed so fence could be built in the same location as an existing fence which encroached 18 in into um what we're asking for isn't an entire fence. It's 25 ft. Well, just to go back to the the Brian Kameish says Kamanish. Uh just to go back to the uh black and white thing, Mr. Fitel got up here and said that basically a police officer, I don't know if that was directed towards me. If he writes one person a 10 mile over speed limit and this person a 10 mile over speed limit and this then the judge automatically has to find them all guilty. That's not true. We got discretion in law. We also have discretion when it comes to uh the zoning board. Uh it's it's it's also the same with the city council. Just like there is a circuit clerk or sorry a circuit court, there's also appellet court. There's a supreme court. There's discretion going. It's how everybody looks at it. This is the whole black and white thing. I I we don't see that as black and white. We've we've seen through our foyer that it's not always black and white. We're just asking for it to be fair uh to look at it. We're looking at 25 ft at 18 in. Um we did um Mr. Sienza said we hadn't approached him. The reason we didn't is because we figured it would be the same outcome that we had. Uh we asked him before the meeting if we could figure this out prior to it. Um he didn't want to. Um so again, we're just asking for the variance so we can get on with this. This is I don't know how many different meetings we've been to for it. It's, you know, it's I I I don't know what else we can do. We're just asking that the improve our property and move forward despite all the other issues. We just would like you to approve the variance and move forward. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other p Okay,

Santa Duncan? Um, I just want to speak that all of you remember or maybe the majority of you remember the situation that we went through with our house and everything that was approved of our house and we asked for a variance and we were not granted to this day. It has been tabled. There's never been a decision made on that particular variance and we were told that there wasn't a hardship in that situation and the financial hardship that we still are digging ourselves out a hole of is a lot greater than the situ hardship that is um over 25 ft of fence. And so I just want to say that if we're going to talk about hardship and that truly is what we're looking at, we didn't get our variance in our situation and all of ours was approved and everything else as well. So I just want to remind people that when we're looking at that, it's that's not always black and white either. And we're still sitting with our table request from two and a half years ago.

Thank you. Okay, I'm Mandy Stanza. I just wanted to say that we are still to the same. We are not saying that we are opposed to any form of offense or an agreement. We are just addressing what has been spoken about us. And again, we were not brought this as Mr. I'm sorry, I want to say your name correctly. Commisher

Commander, sorry. Mr. Commander said, we they did not come to us. That is true. We Sorry, I'm used to speaking instead of seven year olds. Um, we are not again not in favor of anything we would have liked to have been approached to before. We are not saying yet the end result would have been that we would have flat out opposed this and to say come to us right before this meeting and to ambush us and say that we should be doing this and then say that we were um brought this was brought to our attention. We don't believe that's fair. Again, we were never approached about this. We feel like that would have been to have done in the first place. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um sorry.

Okay. Well, obviously we'll talk about those items when we we get to them. The only thing I do want to just make a comment on is uh I feel so terrible that that there's a relationship between uh residents that that isn't good and neighbors. I would like to say that that is not the standard throughout Ogalsby. Usually residents and neighbors get along very very well. So it is very unfortunate to to hear that this is disheartening. Do we have somebody else that wanted to talk yet? Okay. I'm Kathy Chris's mom with the house when you know he was building it because he was working and stuff. I have a problem with the fact that um this this zoning board makes a recommendation based on what they think is right and correct. And now to try to circumvent that whole process and come here and say, "Oh, well, we should do this." First of all, Chris's fence or the sidewalk isn't part of his variance request. He's got a variance request on the table that was decided upon. Not Chris's fence, not the property line, not anything else. As far as Mr. Kesh, um, he has not been kind at all to any of us, including myself. Chose no respect. Um, he just and then we're supposed to be nice and kind and, you know, come across as good people. we've just tried to just go our separate ways and leave well enough alone. And now he knew when he put that fence and that shed where it was that it wasn't in the right place. So that's gave him this situation now with the other 25 ft that he has that he wants to do something with. But it also I'm not too appreciative of two council members calling my son in prior to this meeting to try to negotiate an agreement. Why? He was here earlier, so you must have talked with him. Why wasn't Chris given the same courtesy?

We didn't talk to you. Okay. Well, I did not know that. But I just think to to blindside somebody. Okay. Um I just think our family, you know, we've got three houses on that street. We've been compliant. I don't go tell him what to do with his property or anybody else. I would appreciate that nobody tells us what to do because we're following the rules. Okay. Do you guys want to respond now or just wait till the item comes up? Yeah. Respond. Um

I I swear all honesty here that was not meant to be any sort of ambush or anything. My sole intention were was to speak to both of them and not have them come up here and start slinging mud at each other. I get it. Anybody does. I do, man. I tell you. So what I wanted him and I was hoping for is after I talked to Mr. Sienza had a nice discussion. Everything went well. It was my understanding that this really isn't a big problem. I think it's a lack of communication. Um misunderstanding at some point there, I guess, but uh he seemed open to about anything. It was just I understand now that being assaulted was isn't the way to go about it. So I do agree with that and I'm glad they got to voice their concerns there. But uh that was not meant to be an ambush. I was hoping that that could be resolved because of the talk that I had with him. Um, Mr. Kameish had agreed to it as well. Uh, and I just hope you guys can work something out there. I mean, he seemed to be 100% fair and willing to do anything. So, I don't see this being a really big issue. I hope

not. No, you're fine. I understand so much. address.

Okay. I just want to make sure

totally understand. Well, I want to make a statement that wasn't meant to ambush either one of you. It's just to uh like Mr. Baldridge said kind of, "Hey, let's talk or whatever you needed." And it was my idea. I didn't mean to offend anybody, but we try to work things out. We could do that another time, too. Thank you. That's I appreciate that.

Okay. All right. Thanks, everybody. Uh, number six, approval of minutes from April 20th, 2026 regular meeting. If there's no additions, corrections, or modifications, I do have one thing to say. I did not get a chance to review them. So, if everybody else is good with them, that's fine, but I'll have to abstain, unfortunately. So, I didn't put eyes on them. Uh I there's a I think there the there's a part where we were talking about revising the ordinance as it relates to agendas and it says motion made by Colin.

On both of those items, I did not vote I. So, I believe and I went back and watched the video and I don't think it was particularly clear who even made the motion. I think Rich made one long motion perhaps um and there maybe random seconds kind of interspersed through there. So um I think that needs to be revisited and also a recommendation um would be um I I think we need to start probably repeating motion made by seconded by just so we can um we have that for the purposes of the table. Well that's on I mean my responsibility is to make sure that the motion is clear that everybody knows what they're motioning for. Maybe not so much the first and the second, but look at that.

Um, what I remember was there was two things I voted no on. One you voted no for and one Mac voted no for, but they they both passed. Yeah. Um, but if that's not accurate in the minutes, we'll take a look. Do we want to table them? I'll go around for you guys. Anything else? Uh, I also I I just think maybe for the record, I don't think we necessarily have to get into what they said, but it also we might be getting too um uh too generic. I think noting that Mr. Trump and Miss Mahoney spoke against the idea of safe routes to school is probably beneficial for the purposes of the minutes. We don't necessarily have to state their exact complaints, but it just said they spoke as to the topic. So, um, just a little bit more specificity. That's it. Do you have anything else you want to add,

Mac? I agree. I think it needs to be tabled and u maybe a little bit more in detail, but not too much. Rich, yeah, I kind of agree with Austin there, but Um, in the opposite regard, uh, some of those things are more than detailed and I think some of it did not need to be in there. Oh, the struggle continues with not too much detail, too little detail. Just for the record, just so the for the record so we can get it fixed. Okay. So, for the for the variant stuff you thought needed more detail and which item you thought needed less stuff out the school. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Well, let's make sure we correct them first. We'll get them on there. Can we get a motion to table? I I do think it would be beneficial for her to have specific direction though because I'm saying that one thing was too uh generic and I I know that you're saying some things were too what was what was it in front of me? Okay. Do you want to send a follow-up email to the clerk then so she has some action to look at it? I'm not complaining about it. Okay. Well, let's table it. We'll see what we can do. What's the procedure? Because I've asked for corrections, too. Were we doing it at the council meeting ahead of time because we were told to send the email Now we're not. And

so technically at the last last time we voted on this, we had a very different council and it was that we were supposed to talk about it here and at the time I I even disag I I disagreed with that idea. The clerk and the clerk didn't want that either because if there's a mistake that the clerk makes, the clerk would prefer to to know that there's a mistake ahead of time instead of waiting to the public forum for it. So I think we've talked about that a little bit here. Um and I know the clerk has asked for any guidance if somebody saw something with the minutes that's incorrect or something like that. Um, so I'm I'm good with however the majority wants to do it. I'm just telling you the last official action was that we talk about it here.

I mean I I if it's going to have to be something that an email is sent about because I mean I have my specific things here, but I mean if there's other things that you know uh we can't tell her right now or we we don't have right now, I mean it's going to have to be an email unless we want to discuss it at the next meeting. Yeah. I I think the best way to do that was I'd prefer if the minutes were like done a few days early and then that way if somebody has an issue with it, they could send you something and then you'd be able to get an update on Thursday or something like that and say, "Hey, just so you know, there was an issue out there. This is what I made as a modification." And if people have an objection to that, well, then it's an objection. If not, then everybody's on board.

Yeah. I try to get the minutes done by um Thursday or Friday of the week of the meeting. So, you'd have all the following week to to watch them. So, I'll just make sure to send them out to everybody. Great. Anybody have a concern about using a method like that? Additions, corrections, or modifications? Can I get a motion to approve the bills? I will motion we approve bills presented for payment in the amount of $599,49.79. I'll second that motion. Roll call, please. Baldrich. I. Cullinin. I. McDermott. I. Moy. I. Currin. I. Number eight. Approve payroll for $7,472. If there's no additions, corrections, or modifications to the payroll, can I get a motion to approve?

I will move that we approve payroll for 70, uh4712 cents. I'll second. Roll call, please. Uh, Baldrich, I. Cullinin, I. McDermott, I. Moy, I. Currin, I. Number nine, old business. A, discussion and possible action on commish variance. Cullinin. I was going to make a recommendation uh if we wanted to move this past the sidewalk thing because I think some of that sidewalk discussion could have a bearing in what Commissioner Cullen wanted to talk about. Um yeah, I well I think it's going to be related, but I don't think it's going to change my opinion on what we should do with the recommendation of the zoning board of appeals.

Then that's fine. We can talk about now or not, but it's your item then. So,

okay. So, um I my recommendation for this would be um I I think that this is a very gray topic. I I don't necessarily think the the the law is gray. Um but I do think the manner in which it has been enforced or articulated or shared with the residents um has not been entirely accurate and uh also that that's kind of made the situation a gray situation. And so, um, what I would say though, um, overall with the situation is, um, I I think this is really a civil matter and we really aren't a court. Um, and so I I certainly would recommend um that um, Mr. Kameish and Mr. Sienza discuss this issue further between themselves. Um, but I do think um, the city ordinance is or the city land development code is rather clear. um and that there's a reason why a variance is being sought and that that this runs contrary to that. So, uh my recommendation um I have a few other things to say about this. Uh would be that we reject or sorry, we accept the zoning board uh of appeal zoning board of appeals uh uh we accept their rejection I guess is the way to put it. Um and moving forward uh we do a better job of enforcing um the uh city code because it seems like uh in both both Mr. uh Kamanisha's situation and Mr. Sienza's situation um Mr. Kameish shared an email with me where he was uh informed uh that uh the position of of where his shed is right now which is is not where it's supposed to be legally uh was legally permissible. Um and so to me again I maybe there's some additional context that I'm not necessarily aware

of. Uh but it seems that um he was um I'm sure unintentionally misled. Uh but same kind of thing with Mr. Sienza's situation. Uh we have a situation where you said and I don't know I I would have to still talk to Mr. Spalich and uh I I haven't done that yet admittedly. uh but you've run into a situation where you had a representative of the city say, "Oh, yeah, that's fine." And it turns out it's not. And so it seems like there's some sort of um culpability potentially. I I don't entirely again maybe there's some supporting details that I'm not aware of, but there's some culpability potentially um on the city for um commu miscommunicating um what the city's land development code actually says and also not enforcing it as it should be. Um, however, um, I do think, uh, and I understand I I I don't necessarily it's hard not to tie the two issues together, the issue of the fence and the sidewalk in with the issue of this because there's there's still those issues still run a foul of of city ordinance. And so, um, what my, uh, what what I would kind of say is, uh, I I think that we need to for for both of your properties, if if we're going to be brought into this, um, well, I guess it kind of depends on the issue as far as Mr. Kimmanish's shed uh, being um, not observing the five-foot setback. you know, if if you two could if those two parties could work out some sort of an agreement with that, you know, I'm fine with, you know, not telling Mr. Kimanish to to move his shed. If same thing with the fence, fine with that, but at the end of the day, um we are going to have to do something uh ultimately with the sidewalk uh and and with the with Mr. Sienza's fence as well. So, um the the extent to which the city's culpable in that though um you know is is still to

be determined and so we can obviously talk about that and what the implications of that are um you know financially and and whatever else but um I just I I don't like doing this sort of uh you know patchwork or patchwork fixes to everything. Um I think there needs to be some sort of consistency. Uh the law is either the law or the the law either matters or it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Uh, and in this case, um, m for Mr. Commandish to extend his fence. Uh, I it would run a foul of, um, of of existing, um, the city's existing land development code. And so, uh, for that matter, um, I'm going to recommend that we accept the zoning board of appeals rejection. But, uh, there's some other issues, like I said, that we're going to have to address moving forward with both these properties. So, that's it.

Hillary, I'm going to be clear. This is just about the fence. Um, thank you. I think that you did have examples where variances were granted, but I would be interested to know if there was someone who was opposing it that would be affected by the variance because that does matter. Like I said, I really want to encourage you guys to work together, get this sorted out. It seems like the Cenzas are willing to work on this and I would I will have to agree that I have to accept the decision of the um zoning board.

Well, the zoning board didn't make their decision. That's it's via the ordinances and everything else. Um I would suggest maybe tableing it till next week and I appreciate yours. I'll look up on that. Okay. Um maybe we could go ahead and table this until next week if you two would be willing to talk to each other and then come back. It's up to you. It's like in reference again brought up all these issues about our property was a couple years ago

and now that's being discussed here. So what we're not going to do is say okay do whatever you want and also the city us

and that's what that's what this board that's what we're trying to eliminate. The main concern is actually defense. if you guys would be willing to talk about it and let me know before we take a vote and I'll make a motion that way if that's agreeable to both of you. Okay, Mitch, you got anything? Yeah, I just like to go on record and say that I won't be uh taking retribution against you guys, your sidewalk or your fences or anything like that. That was uh finished business as far as I'm concerned with the city and uh none of my business in my opinion. But uh beyond that, I I spoke to you guys again. It wasn't an ambush. I hope you forgive me for that, but uh

I I hope you guys can work something out, but I will agree with the zoning board and take their recommendation. Okay. Um couple things. I I kind of agree with what Austin and uh Baldridge are saying here. Uh with that, I I do want to make a couple things. A lot of these things, the rules are not gray. The rules are pretty black and white. I think what makes this all muddied is because of the circumstances that led to it. Exactly.

Um there was, you know, we had a past inspector uh that that was dealing with this and we had different permit methods. We realized that there were some holes in our permit methods and that's why we've made some changes on how we do permits and stuff like that. Um and that's that's caused, matter of fact, I think every reference to something today had something to do with that that that could have been done better. Um I won't get into the details of it though because some of the things I disagree with. I mean, one was a settlement agreement, all that kind of stuff. But I will say in the regards with the commish property, there is there's two major issues and the city is responsible for one of them that I'm willing to admit. Um, we made an error on where the shed is supposed to go, right? That was a clerical error from this office. And so, somebody did bring up the term errors and omissions and stuff like that. So, maybe there is something there with that. The city did not make an air on where the fence was supposed to go. And so, that causes some of the problem. Um, you know, the other thing is that kind of changes my after I I I did talk with uh with both members uh since last meeting. Um, and I wanted to take a look at it again and there's something I kind of didn't realize. Um, part of that shed wall is is being used as the fence. Um, and again, I agree with Mr. Baldridge there that I think a lot of this I really wish would be able to be resolved between individuals. Uh, and the reason I say that is I think the best solution is take that shed, move it to the five feet of of where it is supposed to be away from the uh the fence and connect your fence on, but that has to be agreement with you guys. So that way you don't have that runoff issue. The fence is the the shed is no longer being used as part of the wall uh to continue. It'll look better. Um, that's what I would recommend. But that's really a between a civil matter between you guys. Um, and as far as all the sidewalk stuff, we're going to talk about that because it's been brought up so much lately and now that the safer route to school stuff is going. It does relate because I think it's time that this council attack the issue about how

are we going to go for the next stage of planned development to get sidewalks throughout the city, however that's going to be. So, they really are separate. So because they are separate, um I I think that we need to respect the uh the I mean even even the example that was given with the uh the driveway that was moved, that was something that was sustained by the the zoning board of appeals. They didn't think that was a hardship. I get it. The financial thing is definitely a hardship, but the air necessarily wasn't. So, my recommendation is that we go with the recommendation of of the zoning board of appeals and deny the variance based on the evidence provided. Um, and I believe me, we still have to tackle all the other stuff, but I really wish it'd be something that could be worked out between um the homeowners. As I said, that is this is not standard in the city of Oglesby. Oglesby, we are super friendly with I love my neighbors. Every every neighbor I have is amazing. Two two doors every direction. So, it it's just it's just an unfortunate situation. So, hopefully um you guys will find a common ground to be able to communicate and find a way that you can both find a way to improve that. And I would be willing to say that if you guys did decide to uh to to go to the division fence along the way and then move the uh the shed five feet, I would say that the city would, this is without even conferring with the rest of the council, I would say that the city had some heirs in there. So, if there was a cost to pay for part of the moving of the shed, I think we'd be be responsible for that.

I would agree with you. Okay. So, um, everybody spoke. Does anybody have anything else they'd like to add or is there a motion to made? Well, I know Matt had said something about tableabling this, but I I don't think my even if they discuss this, I don't think my thoughts on um the uh the actual suggestion of the zoning board of appeals is going to change. So, um, my suggestion would be, um, that we, um, move to, uh, accept the zoning board of appeals, uh, rejection, uh, of the community experience. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Roll call, please. Baldridge. Hi. Colin. Hi. McDermott. I. Moy. Hi.

Currin. Hi. Okay. So, it is denied, but I would again I would highly recommend trying to work out um something that's going to improve the situation. If that is continuing the fence on a division fence and then moving the uh the the shed back to make things easier for people. If that improves everybody's situation and makes everything look better, I I still think that's the best way to go. The city the city should be a party to those discussions because the city, like you said, I think does bear some responsibility for the current situation. Well, we know for a part of the situation. Yes. For a part of it. Part let us know. All right. B discussion and possible action on the bucket truck issue. Baldridge.

As I stated in the last meeting, uh our bucket trucks are 1997. It's uh life is limited to 25 years. Um so uh it's from Altex double bucket truck. It's 28 years old. No longer pass it annual dialectric safety testing. This test is an annual requirement per OSHA, which tests for the truck's insulating capabilities for the higher voltages the trucks were designed to be worked with. This tests the electrical fitness for continued use in order to protect the personal safety of the workers from shock. It is tested per ANSI standards. Also, this truck can no longer be worked on, inspected, repaired, or certified by the manufacturer Altech because of its age. While this truck has been maintained well and is in great mechanical shape, it can no longer be used for any live line work per OSHA standards. This is our highest reaching truck. It's needed to reach and maintain a lot of our main lines. Without this truck being electrically certified, we would be required to incur more many more outages for our large parts of the town for minor live maintenance issues. Uh we have a couple quotes here for the comparable trucks. Run Equipment has said that we need to postpone the actual final purchase of their 2022 used or 2025 model new truck until next fiscal year's appropriations. We could do a rental RPO and they would go with the 100% of the first month's payment would be refunded when we make the purchase within 10 days after the end of the first month. And then after that, if we need to still rent it, it would be 70% of monthly payments through six months until bought. They would be responsible for everything that would go wrong during this period. At the time of purchase, they would go through and do a comprehensive inspection and repair any issues at no cost before finalizing the purchase. This would in effect act as a warranty for up to six months on a used truck. This agreement could be canceled after six months. So, my suggestion here is that uh regardless, I believe we're going to have to rent the truck for at

least the very Um considering we don't have any sort of a uh budget at this point, I feel that we should try and get that into the uh next fiscal year. Um we have two options here which more than happy to hear your guys' decision on. We have a 2022 and that one is used very low mileage. But anyway, that one's going to come and be retired sooner than the new one of 2025. And that one, the 2025 will be 26350 looks like. And then we have another one for exactly what the issue is. And everything's uh Rich said is is correct. There is a couple details though that's kind of important. And I want to highlight this. There is absolutely no issue with any safety related thing that we have in the city right now with with anything with the bucket truck. What it is is so it is our 60- foot bucket truck uh that gets to our our highest lines that we have in the city right now uh which is our 345. The rule is OSHA requires the manufacturer to be the one to certify the dialectric testing. All right? They will not do the certification or the maintenance themselves anymore. The truck can still be maintained, but that testing you we can't bring another outside company to do it in OSHA only require it requires that the manufacturer do it themselves. I think that's a bit of a crazy thing that the the manufacturer is like, "Yeah, we won't do the testing on it." So, and by the way, it's out of code now. Um, so what that means is it can still be used for all tree trimming. It can still be used for all full outages even on our 34 fire lines, but they have to be deenergized. Where we have a limitation at though is that would mean if in the city we were to have an outage, I shouldn't say an outage. If we

were to have a maintenance type issue that somebody would have to go up to that to that high level at the 345 and and be able to work on it while it was live, that option will no longer be available to us. They would have to take an outage. That's the problem. So to me, this is not an acceptable standard for us to continue on uh for a very long period of time. Um, to me, I I don't I don't think I can look residents in the eye and say, "Oh, by the way, uh, the reason we took an extra two hours of an outage that we didn't have to take is because we didn't have a proper sized bucket truck for that." Um, however, there is a silver lining in some of this stuff. I did find out that two of the poles that we are getting for our um, our secondary feed are going to be at 70 ft. So, I don't know if we needed a bigger bucket truck in the first place. However, what I don't know is if we're going to be the ones that's doing the maintenance on those two Viper switches because those Viper switches is going to be controlled by Amarind to flip them on and off. So, I don't know if that means we're responsible for the maintenance or they're responsible for the maintenance. So, we should probably look into that because if we are responsible, we might need a 70 foot bucket truck anyways. Uh but if not, my recommendation for this is that we need to get a new bucket truck, but I would recommend because we're so close to appropriations, we put that into the appropriations and we look for the appropriate time to get that. Right now, we're not in any danger or anything like that. And again, nobody is working on any equipment that is unsafe in any way. Uh but we're not allowed to do 60 foot uh maintenance on live wires right now. That's a problem. So, that's the amplifying information.

Um I really don't know. I don't know enough about the issue, honestly. Um but you said we put it into this appropriation, but we hold off on the purchase. Well, just a at least a month or two. Oh, okay. Uh, plus we probably need to look at she's coming down out there. Um, plus I know Mark was already looking at a couple options for for ones we have there, but I would recommend that we look to see if we have to do maintenance on those two 70 foot poles that are coming because it might just be Amron that's responsible for it. And if that's not a factor, then then the two options Mark's already looked into are viable. I will defer to the expertise of uh uh Commissioner Baldridge, Mayor Kern, and uh Mark Renick on this. So, let's be honest. It's it's it's Mark. Hillary,

I just have a question because it is May 4th. Our budget is we're technically have lapsed in funding essentially. Can we even purchase something outside of without having a budget? I think our preparations That's why I said I'd rather wait till appropriations. Right. But I'm just curious. We already did it with the other We already did it with the other back hole and I know we got wiggle room, but at some point in time, your wiggle room's gone. Right. But I mean, for you said, it's not a safety issue. It's not an essential purchase. Can we can't commit to that anyway, can we? What do you mean? Because we don't have a budget appropriations. Well, we we'll have an appropriations here in about a month, right? So, that's why I say let's add it to that appropriations. Actually, it has to be adopted by the end of the first quarter. So, it may be a few months, but Oh, really? Don't we usually do it in June or July? July was last year.

Should be done in May, shouldn't it? Feel like it keeps I feel like it keeps sliding. I feel like it keeps sliding. So, that'd be my recommendation that we get in there because it is something that we are going to have to get one way or another. We we can't look at residents in the eye and say, "I know you're out without power, but sorry." Right. Yeah. Right. Okay. Well, I would recommend not allowing them to use it currently for those situations. And well, it could still be used for just about everything else, but not for live. Yeah. If it's not grounded. Yeah. So, Matt,

well, I'd wait until let's get it on the appropriations and uh go from there, but we also need to make some kind of ordinance or something to They only allowed 25 years. Is that what it is, Rich? Then every 20 or so years that comes up and we get it ordered. You don't want to put yourself behind the eight-ball. That was news to me that they would that they wouldn't do the testing on that. I I just I couldn't believe that. I'm like, perfect, right? Yeah. Now, we don't want to ever happen. Yeah. This again. So, we need to make them an ordinance or something that says, "Hey, this has to be bought." Yeah.

Okay. So, the good news is with this truck here, it's got 9,000 miles on it for $800. It's practically a brand new truck. You will get a good return on that. I intend to send that out to auction like we did with the last one being $11,000. Um, with this year, they're going to be instructed to go ahead and rent the $6,000 uh per month. With that $6,000 being refunded plus 70% if it takes more than months, it'll be $1,800 out of pocket per month thereafter. $1,800 in the first two months is how the rest of this will be refunded. We have two months testing out what new.

Can I ask you another question on that? Can we once the warranty is over on the old one, can you reissue another warranty or no? Oh, the warranty. Yeah. I mean, do whatever you want. I mean, after 6 months, can we get another warranty with that or no? Pay for anything. Well, I know. But any ideas? Yeah, you can pay for whatever. Okay. Well, I would I would recommend that you know what I'm saying. you have the authority to to rent something in the meantime to carry us through appropriations, but I would also look into to see if we have to do the maintenance on those 70 foot.

Yeah. Well, again, I don't I know we're getting the polls, but I don't know if we're responsible for We had to pay for it, but I don't know if we're going to be the ones doing the maintenance on it because Amaran will have what those what those are is if if the power ever were to go out on on our main line, we we'd be able to make a call to Amarind. Actually, the IMEA switch down there would be able to make a call. If the power is available, they close one, open the other. Boom. Power's back up in 30 seconds. What do we got here? From Jen. So, I'd like the table. Who's not speaking in the mic? It's hard to hear with the rain. I just want to make sure that everybody can hear.

For those that might not hear, there is quite a bit of rain pounding down on the roof here. Okay. All right. Uh, anybody Everybody's had a chance to speak. Anything else on the topic? All right. I think uh you good to go then, Rich? Yeah, we're going to go ahead and rent that and I want to table that issue until we determine what we exactly we'll need. So, I'll make a motion to table. I'll second that motion. Roll call, please. Baldridge, I. Colin, I McDermott. I Moy I. Currin. I see discussion and possible action on street light repair. Baldridgecurren. Did you want to talk about this first, Rich or me?

I would appreciate when stuff's getting thrown on the agenda and my name's being attributed to it. I would certainly appreciate to know something about what it is. Uh, well, I think they must just see your name on it because you had it on initially. I found out that So, I just want to correct it because apparently we did get the wrong one. Apparently, the street light is the one at Malo. Yep. Okay. But it's been repaired.

So, I'm not going to I'm I'm not going to dwell on it, but it it frustrated me because I I thought I asked the right questions. And I asked the questions because if I was told it was going to be the the other one, I was like, why can't we just Why why can't we just use the same uh visual sensor that we did with the other one? And the answer I got all the wiring is too old. So obviously that that wasn't accurate. So I I just wish that we'd put things on a little more accuracy so we know what we're we're talking about. So I don't know if that motion needs to be modified because obviously that explains to me why why it's 65,000 because that entire thing is all underwater down there uh like I was talking about. So I don't know if you want to correct the motion or fix it or what would you like to do? You got to do that.

I'm not thinking the motion made was to fix a different intersection. You did Marquette. I said I wasn't absolutely positive. We kept saying that. It it was my fault last meeting. I said the light that was blinking was Marquette. Are we talking about Marquette? And then I kind of started that. So I apologize. Make a motion to resend that motion and that action at the last meeting and make a motion to fix. Let's make sure we get it right. All right. I'll make a motion to resend the motion from last time and uh make it so that we're replacing Malik station or Malik Street light or stoplight. And I'll second that. I think he recommended two separate motions though. You can do it.

Oh, so the motion was to resend the previous one that was in air and two that we are going to fix the the street light for Malik Road. I motion a second. Roll call, please. Baldrich. Hi. Colinin. Hi. McDermott. Hi. Moy. Hi. Currin. All right. D. Holy cow. What is going I don't know if I've heard of that. I know. It's pretty wild. Uh discussion and possible action on agenda ordinance. Baldridge. You have it ready?

Yeah. I sent them to you guys over the weekend. There are actually two ordinances. One makes adjustments to the placement of items on the agenda. Um and the other makes adjustments to the order of business which we routinely call the agenda.

Um so I was asked to adjust the uh ordinance that we enacted just a few years ago to uh indicate what could be placed on the agenda and by whom. So it will now say the mayor and any commissioner of the city council of the city of Ogulby shall have authority to place an item on the agenda for an upcoming meeting but only under new business or old business which was one of the changes approved at the last meeting and not to any other location on the agenda. And such requests must be made at least 48 hours prior to the meeting so as to allow the city clerk time to place said item on the written agenda to be posted for said meeting. In addition, no item may be placed on the agenda on an agenda for at least three months after the same or essentially similar item has been considered by the city council fails to receive approval without a majority vote of the council. So, two things. Any items to be placed have to be under old or new business, and you can't put something on the agenda that was just voted down within the last 3 months.

Wasn't there a separate one that was talking about the established order of business that we normally have? That's the second one. Okay. This is the first one. All right. Ordinance 1312 does those two things. Okay. Um, well, Bald's your item if you want to talk first. I think we already talked about it. Um, tonight's action is to pass the ordinance.

I mean, yeah, I spoke on this before, but um I I don't like and I've I've made clear that I don't like Jason continuing to include final comment on the agenda um when the council has voted to remove it multiple times. But the issue I have with this ordinance as written uh which was we directed Pat to write it this way, of course, is that it makes no distinction between mayor's report and any other topic. um which essentially equates to censorship, whether that's the intent or not. Um we've basically gone from um when the council had changed uh this uh adding items to the agenda earlier in the administration, they changed it because they didn't want the mayor controlling the agenda. Uh and now nobody controls the agenda. Um it's it's just anybody can add anything they want. Now we're going to a majority of the council controlling the agenda. So, if you're not in the majority, um, essentially you you propose something one time, you bring it up, get shot down, you can't bring it up again for 3 months. Uh, if it was just the mayor's report, it'd be different. But it's not. Um, this directly contradicts the spirit of the ordinance that was passed in the first place earlier in this administration, which I spoke in support of at the time as a private citizen. Um, this council has bigger fish to fry obviously than passing multiple modifications to ordinances that were already modified. this administration and I I think we've done that probably since I've been on the council maybe three or four times. So, um I am uh going to vote no on um the adding items to the agenda ordinance, but I will vote yes on the one that sets the order of business. That's all I have.

I think we discussed it at length last meeting, but um I have nothing further to say. Well, we did discuss this on the last meeting. Uh Pat, thank you for the work you done. Looks good to me. I'll be voting yes for both of them. Okay. So, not such thing no on the other one, but

So, so here's my thoughts on it. I think it's super subjective. Uh I don't like that. I I don't even What determines if something is substantially the same as it was before? who who plus how do you how do you officially get a vote to bring it back? That part doesn't even make sense. If there's a majority vote to bring it back before that three months, you could do that. But you can't put it on the agenda to vote on it. So that that I mean there's a there's a fundamental flaw there and it is a form of censorship. And I mean it's anybody saying anything else is it's it's it's asinine. But you know I've said I've said my piece but again I go with what the majority is. If people want to have that, then that's then we're restricting people from putting things on there. That's fine.

Okay. I'll make a motion to pass the agenda ordinance. Does anybody have anything else to add? All right. Nothing else. Then you can make a motion. There are two, Rich. 1312. You want to just do one at a time? You want to do 1312, which is the modification to placing items on the agenda. I'll make a motion to modify 1312 placing items on the agenda. Okay, there's a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Roll call, please. Baldridge. Hi. Colin, no. McDermott. Hi. Moy. Hi. Currin. No. Motion passes. Next item. Next is 1313, which just um sets forth the um

structure of the agenda. The structure of the agenda for make a motion to pass ordinance 133. A chance to talk about it if they want. Who? What? that was already set by it wasn't talked about yet. Does anybody want to talk about that one? Hillary Mac. No, that's the only thing I say. I don't have a problem with this one because technically if you look at the 1923 ordinance, it hasn't been updated really. It should be updated. I mean, I think we got things in there of board of local improvement and everything like that. So, this this one actually just kind of makes sense. So, anybody Nobody has anything else? I also learned that we have that council members have the authority to arrest people uh apparently from the uh from back then apparently. So that's kind I'm sorry. What was what was that at?

It's in the ordinances. If you read it, it says the city clerk uh members of the city council have arresting power in the city of Oglesfield. That's very common. Yeah, that's I found that to be interesting. Uh so got to get her a badge. I got to get some badges, but uh yeah, there's some dated stuff in there. All right, there's nothing else. So wants to make a motion. Rich made the motion. Second 1313. Okay, I'll second that. Motion second. Roll call, please. Uh, Baldridge, hi. Colin, hi. McDermott, hi. Moy, I. Curran, I. 10. New business. A. Discussion and possible action on JLM holding parking agreement. Um, Summer Funfest 2026 colony.

Yeah. Um, so basically this is the same agreement um that every year we sign with JLM for parking down at Summer Funfest. You have a copy in front of you. Um, so that's it. Any changes? Were you happy with the dates, Austin? I picked Monday through the following Monday to give you setup time and stuff before the event and tear down time after. Yeah, I think that's because that's what Becky always suggested to me, but I just wanted to make sure you were comfortable with it. No other changes to it. No, if that's been standard practice, that's that's fine with me. Okay. Is it JLM or N? I'm sorry. and and JLM. Okay. No, I have no problem with it. Okay, Matt, looks good to me.

Rich, just like to thank Mr. Traro for allowing us to use that property. You're here. Absolutely. Same thing. I really appreciate it. I mean, it lets us use all that property for just the cost of cutting the grass and maintaining that. I don't know what we would do without it. I mean, we we get thousands in here for Funfest. So, really appreciate that. All right. If there's no other further questions or comments, we can get a motion to approve. I will motion that we approve um the uh JLM hold or JLM uh holding parking agreement for summer funfest 2026 as presented. I'll second. Roll call, please. Baldrich. Hi. Colin. Hi. McDerman. Hi. Moy. I current.

Hi. B. Discussion and possible action on sidewalk implementation schedule. Current. All right. So, I put this on here. This is a topic nobody wants to talk about. Um I I don't think it's technically under new business because this council technically has not addressed this yet. Um we did address it a little bit at the last council, but the action was basically we're going to wait till the safe route to school grant comes in with those sidewalks. Uh that way we get 250,000 of it paid through at least uh from state funded assets. And again, all those areas went into areas that didn't um Oh, Jim was in the audience before. He's not here anymore, unfortunately. uh went into the areas that we didn't have a means of putting um requiring residents to put it because it was those houses were in before a period of time. And keep in mind the safe route to school that we got now doesn't even solve all of that. That was just the most economical place to get them in there. So I think it's worth talking about how we want to do that. There's a lot of different approaches. there is are we going to just use continue to use safer out to school grant money year over every time we can to try to finally fill all that in slowly over time. Are we going to what about the ones about houses of people that were required to put in sidewalks when the house was built? Again, there's two different categories of people there. There's people that maybe they built the house when they lived here. And maybe there's people that anywhere from the the late 80s and the 90s uh that have moved on and somebody moved here five years ago and that house was supposed to get something in 15 20 years ago and they never did that. Are we going to hold them accountable? That's those are the things that this that kind of an ugly topic, but we need to talk about that or are we just going to come out of all taxpayer funded money to to do all that? Again, that's not fair to the hund, you know, 1,900 residents minus the 30 houses that didn't that didn't have that. So, that's why I thought I'd just see what we want to do. And may and again, maybe one of the answers is we leave it as is as safe out the school

money eventually fills that in. I don't know. But that's not a great long-term thing because again, we didn't expect this to take five years to get this set in as it is. So, I mean, at that same rate, if you continue with these same problems, you're looking at a 50-year problem. So, not a great answer, but thought I go around, see what people want to do.

Yeah, we have a lot of decades long problems in the city of Ogulby. Um, and I I think uh Mr. Commander was actually going to speak to that point. Um, he had showed me something um something to do with the fence that was kind of a substantially similar situation. And the the council at the time voted to approve the variance, whatever. Uh, and you know, so you know, there's been kind of patchwork solutions to stuff in the past. Uh, there hasn't been, you know, I remember, um, you know, your first administration that you were in when you served as uh, commissioner, uh, there was a big issue with fire hydrants and those that issue hadn't been addressed for years. Um, you know, the sidewalk things ignored. Um, there's been a there's been a lot of issues that have been ignored and not necessarily because of any malfeasants or whatever, but um, the city deals with a lot of different things. Um there there's a a million things that the city deals with on a on a daily basis. And so um you know, some stuff, you know, maybe it was negligence, but a lot of the stuff just kind of slips under the radar. Um and I think, uh we owe it to our citizens that when these issues come up, especially in cases like where in a number of these neighborhoods where sidewalks should have been installed and the city kind of dropped the ball on actually communicating that to residents or didn't enforce it, you know, I I think we have an obligation to make that right. Um because obviously it does affect people who who live around there, but it also affects, you know, everybody else in town too if they, you know, want to utilize if they want to utilize uh if they want to use utilize a sidewalk or or whatever. And so I I think ultimately we need to start even as it pertains to uh I know we've had discussions about uh code enforcement. I mean, that's kind of the same deal, too. We've let a lot of stuff slip for a long time, and it's time that we, you know, kind of say this is what the law is. We're going to enforce the law. Um, and so I I do think we need to address the issue. Uh, but again, it's a matter, you know, of fairness and and whatnot. How do we address the issue? Does the city bear

the entire cost? Well, again, like you said, is that fair to the people that already have sidewalks in? Um, but then at the same time, do we um impose the cost of installing sidewalks totally on the uh property owners that need to install them? Uh, do we split the costs? Uh, what do we do? And I I think Jason, even you and I had talked at one point about saying that this would be a um you know, obviously the next council might have entirely different thoughts on this topic. Uh but we had talked at one time about uh making this a referendum item as well. Um and you know, allowing the people of the city of Boglesby to ultimately have a say on this because maybe people in the rest of the town don't really care um you know, if there's sidewalks throughout the entire town. But um I would certainly heer on the side of you know saying that I I do think that one of the most important things we can do u well not one of the most important things we can do but it's certainly an important thing is to ensure you know the walkability of the city of Ogal speed. I I think that that means a lot walkability bikeability etc. Uh for people looking to relocate here. So um I think it's an issue that has to be addressed. Um I'm not sure I have the right answer to it but I've contemplated some ideas and I think I articulated some of those here. So I'm interested in what anybody else has to say about it. So that's it. Hillary,

I don't have a good solution for this, but I mean, I'm going to put this in a human factor. If I purchased a house or even built a house and it wasn't communicated to me, it would be a huge hardship after the expenses are done of building the house to then go and install $10,000 of sidewalk. I I think there's a reasonleness here. I don't have a good solution on how to do it, but you have to take in account that these are real people. Okay, Mac.

Well, it's true that a lot of these sidewalks that ain't being put after they've been told. Um, we could go ahead and try I'll push for a safe route to schools again. Um, but then we could also u you got to look at the people who's already put sidewalks in. Um, it ain't fair for them to have everybody else get safer out to school. Do we give them a benefit or something? Um, we you talk about code enforcement. Um, when would you start doing code enforcement? If the prior councils didn't enforce the code, well, why are we doing code enforcement now? Why are we doing it now?

Yeah, we had that whole discussion.

No, it doesn't doesn't work. Um, if you have an individual who buys a house that's already been built, there isn't a sidewalk there. Do we do we help them build the sidewalk? That's an option. I've already got the street department that if we got extra concrete after doing a job, like on the street, they'll go across, hey, this sidewalk's busted up. Let's see if we can do something about it. Just poured a little extra there instead of just running down the street department pouring it out. I am doing that. Um I could look for other grants, see what we can get. Um just like with the safe route to schools, I did connect the c some of the sidewalks to existing sidewalks because it didn't seem right to me to have 75 ft of no sidewalk and then there's another one. Um I'm open for suggestions, Rich,

but we're trying to correct it.

Yeah. Um, a lot of these problems seem to exist in the uh newer subdivisions out here to the west. And uh, as Mr. Senza said before, it is a big burden on on someone to go ahead and place this on them when nobody told them that before. And even if they did, they got their building permit and it was allowed. And I I I can't see going back on someone 10 years later or someone that bought a house, the sidewalk wasn't there. Ultimately, I believe this should have been falling on not only the city council, but the contractor and the developer of that little uh subdivision themselves. They they get money they can charge for each lot. They should factor that into their to their bids on each parcel of land out there so that it's not a surprise cost 5 years later, 10 years later, or when you move into a new house and you're all excited and now you can't make the payment barely on the house and now you got to put in $10,000 in sidewalk. I don't I don't agree with that. I don't think the city should be going after people like that at all.

So, um, couple couple things. I think some of the problem is that, you know, I recognize as a council that, let me just speak. We're I recognize that we look dysfunctional. I mean, I talked to mayors all over the place and I I know how we look and stuff like that, but I will say there's one thing. We have really tackled a lot more things than previous councils never really did. And that's not a slam on them or anything like that. Um but we had some people when we first started this administration um super engaged. Part of that reason is what caused people to kind of fracture and want to do all these things that they want to do and cause issues. But it really did start things going the right direction. This whole code enforcement stuff. I mean even simple things like for the history of the city. We never approved we've never once approved uh until this administration close session minutes. we'd release them, but they were never they were never approved by a council vote. They're just like, "Oh, those are the minutes, and we decided to release them or not." That was it. Um, so we've actually taken the time to do stuff like that, which again, it's a pain point. There's a lot of things that I think that we're tackling. So, and I know everybody up here says they don't have a really great answer. The problem is I do believe that we're the ones in the seat right now. So, we need to come up with that answer. And and again, that answer could be to continue to use safe route to school program until you've got all the areas covered that are um that were places that you couldn't require um residents to put in. But then the question comes up, what happens when you eventually get to that point? Do you then still continue to get safer route to school money for it or do you force those residents to do it? Because if you're going to force the residents to do it, you might as well do it sooner than later, right? Because then it's more walkable paths. So that's why I think I don't know if I like the idea of referendum because that is almost like a I don't want to say bullying because what will happen is if you've got 1900 homes worth of people voting hey should we use taxpayer dollars to fund this or should we force the the homeowners to do

it put leans against their property you know because it's anonymous vote 90% 95% of the people are going to say make them pay for it it's also democracy to some extent it is it is but I I feel like you're just asking for at that point though. So that's kind of not I I don't like that idea either.

One of the things I'll say on this topic is a question for Commissioner McDermott. Do we like uh keep like I don't know if inventory is the correct answer of current sidewalks of like uh where we have sidewalks and then also do we like I don't know if this is a common thing but like assign them letter grades because I I do think walking through town there are a number of sidewalks uh that kind of sucked honestly. And so I think that will be kind of a a pain point for us is if we try and uh install sidewalks in neighborhoods where there aren't any sidewalks, you might have people saying, "Well, you know, look at this older neighborhood on the east side. You know, some of those I think there are certain neighborhoods uh where there the sidewalk does end." And not only that, um but some of the sidewalks, like I said, are are just terrible. Uh, and so, um, I think that that might also be something that we have to kind of consider as well because, you know, if you can't maintain the ones you got, why would you install new ones?

Austin, you're absolutely correct. It is true. But, however, keep in mind that sidewalk on private property is their sidewalk. They need to let us know. The ones that let us know and we're working, let's say we had to bust up a street, we were made aware of sidewalks that need it. That's the ones we go after. Okay? we need the residents to actually let us know. Um, also what we could do, we could also put this in appropriations and we could fix some of it that way. But the main concern we're doing that we got to understand, you got people out there, it's already had their sidewalks built.

And I got even with the safe route to schools, I got people now, well, why are you building the sidewalk on my property? And I got some people going, well, wait a minute. Why do they get the sidewalk? Because they know eventually they're gonna have to put a sidewalk and you have people upset that the sidewalks are absolutely both they end abruptly, right? And so yeah. Well, I'm correcting that by extending it. But but yeah, I'm just saying I mean were were you saying as far as the sidewalks are concerned that people are responsible for you know that their sidewalks are in a state of superior? They're responsible when they let us know. When they let us know, we write it down. you know, unless we walk through every single street. I kind of

Let me give some amplifying information. One of the things that we that we're required to do for insurance purposes and every year Dan Kasperski, our street superintendent, he goes and he marks if there's any sidewalks that are essentially trip hazards,

right? So, the only ones that we repair at at our cost are ones that like I think you might have been mentioning one of the ones that like let's say if there is something that we were to we had to dig across. let's say because we're responsible to the buffalo box, right? So, if we had to tear that that line up and sidewalk got ripped out because of us, we'd replace that, right? The other thing that we do is if there's trip hazards. So, if there is like where the the levels are whatever, I I think at the end of my time as as commissioner, I bought them a scarcifier. So, what that does is they can shave that down. So, it's a cheaper way of of making maintain if there's ones where there's tree roots where the things are like I want to say it was Oh, not Caitlyn. What was it? Uh Swift. Swift Avenue had just crazy sidewalks because of tree roots. Had to take the tree out, take it all out, take the concrete out, and they put that in. So, we did that on us because we were responsible for the tree, uh, because it was in the burn, which is another whole thing. We try to get rid of it. However, if the if the sidewalks just look like crap, like they're broken up or whatever, that's not necessarily a tripping hazard. That is not something that we're responsible for because like Max said, they own it. What we do have is we have a sidewalk program in the city. So what that means is residents if they want to either do it themselves or they pay a contractor we can pay for the concrete costs to do that. That's one of the features that we have if that kind of answers your question. So we do get a disection thing that's kind of done for trip hazards for insurance wise but we only modify the ones that we absolutely have to.

Okay. Thanks Jason. That is correct ma'am. Right. That was an error. This the people don't own most own sidewalk. They're all in the city and their city sidewalks. Okay. Anything else on the topic that we want to talk about? Do we I I'd still like to have a motion but an idea of going forward of how we want to attack it. I I think the general easy answer is every time that's available for safe route to school, we do that because you get

Are there any other grants I can get? No, I don't I don't I don't know other grants that might be for I I think the thing is uh I know for safe routes to school it's what a two to three mile radius around the school or something like that. Um there is a distance but because of where our schools are located it's it's pretty it covers it covers a lot.

Okay. Yeah. because I mean, you know, I'd just be curious to see what is feasible with safe routes to school dollars and actually I'd like to see kind of a map of like where we like like I said, kind of an inventory of sidewalks, where we have sidewalks, where we don't have sidewalks, and see how much of that would be covered by safe routes to school money and then kind of put a plan together that way. Um because I I think without that data, without that information, it's difficult to do. So, I don't I'm sure Chamblins has that at one point because they were looking at all the the routes to take and and the reason this money went in the way it did is it went to the the best way to get the most out there. So, that means the next time we'd get the same amount of money, you're not going to cover as much because you're going to start getting into the areas that are more expensive.

I would say for the next meeting if we could get like an inventory of everything, I'd be interested in discussing this further. Well, I know I think there's I want to say there's 29 or 30 homes that don't have sidewalks that were supposed to when the ordinances are written. I have no idea how many. That might be a task for them to try to find out what other homes besides those. I know there's a list somewhere at city hall, those 29 homes, but for the rest of them Yeah, I think there's even more. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot more. I think if we could see some sort of an inventory for that, like I said, I'd be interested in discussing it at the next meeting, but Okay. Is that fair? Do you want to?

Yeah, I'll look into that. And um like you were saying, if people want to put the sidewalk in and let the city know, we'll pay for the concrete as an option. And Barry, I apologize. I misspoke about ownership of the sidewalks, but it's their obligation to keep it cleared. Correct. Yes. Although lots of people don't want to clear their sidewalks because once they do, if they don't do it correctly, then they're responsible, right? If they just leave the snow sit there, it's an act of God and they're not responsible. That's that's true too. Lawyered. That is true. Okay. 61 does know another.

Anybody have anything else on this topic? I don't think we need to table it or anything like that. Just that uh it was just discussion it when we have an inventory and we'll bring it back again. And although hold on ahead so one thing with this with that new ordinance that we just approved, are we able to put this back on the agenda? Well, I could go in old or new. It's not been voted down right now. It has to So, but Okay. It's an older note. Okay. I So, the ordinance did specifically say it has to be voted down, right? So, it has to be rejected is what it says as I recall. Oh, yeah. You're correct. It has to be rejected. Okay. No rejection. No rejection.

All right. No rejection. We move on. All right. Number 11. Public comment on any topic. Okay. Once, twice, three times. Done. Okay. Number Thought I heard boots. Uh number 12, Commissioner reports. Commissioner Colin.

Okay. Uh I don't have a lot. Um but um I have um you know, one of the things uh one of the powers that I'm blessed to have in my executive uh role as commissioner of accounts and finance finance is being in charge of printing. Uh, and so I I have uh I have uh kind of commissioned a freshening up of of our uh city branding. Um, and so that is I'll just pull it up right here. It's substantially similar, but it's just kind of we have probably four different logos that are used on all sorts of different letter head and things of that nature. And so, uh, it I just kind of wanted to get one thing, uh, you know, that would kind of be our, uh, kind of, uh, guide moving forward. Let me pull up the not PNG version. I'll pull up the PD PDF version. And so, basically, the the kind of thing that's, I guess, become iconic, um, maybe not if you ask Aaron, um, but, uh, is the cursive, uh, font for the Ogulp. Um, specifically the O I think is kind of iconic. I I remember it seeing it on like baseball hats and stuff like that when I was growing up. I I kind of have a soft spot in my heart for it. So, uh you know, basically just kind of a freshen up here. Uh remove the sun, kind of reduce the colors, so forth and so on. Um there is the where Friends and Rivers meet at the top that I um have dis I you know I think we've kind of discussed that at at one point whether or not that was a good idea. we had a working meeting on it, but um I don't think there was any sort of a consensus. And so I didn't want to change anything too much, but I just wanted to kind of freshen things up. So uh that's that that would be on the letter head. And then this is kind of the letter mark that you might see um on the agendas for today. Um and so just kind of uh this could be obviously something that um you know you could put

in sort of different capacities if it's a QR code, if it's a quarter zip, if it's whatever. So, uh, I freshened, uh, that up and we're, um, in the process of, uh, changing over all of the letterhead in city hall to have that. Um, and there's also some letter head that has old email addresses on it and stuff of that nature. So, we're trying to get that switched over and we're we're going to we're going to get that done. Um, there's there's a lot of forms though to update. Um, and basically all the forms have different logos, so it's kind of interesting actually. Uh, you know, anyway. Uh, so there's that. Um I am going to have a departmental meeting on the 12th. Uh a whole departmental meeting. This is something that honestly um I've been speaking of negligent kind of negligent in. Um I uh I want to meet with my department and get us all. I mean I I meet with I stop in city hall every day after work but you know I only catch uh you know what was that? Just kidding. Uh but I stop in city hall every day after work. um and uh annoy Aaron and Patty as it seems. Uh but uh and Jen uh but uh I stop in city hall every day after work, but I don't catch everybody at the same time. Uh and so u I do want to be able to sit down with everybody and uh touch base obviously on the transition over to uh Microsoft. Obviously there's been some quirks in the email as Jason has noted, but I have rectified the uh the group issue by turning off groups. Um, so, um, I've put in a ticket to connecting point to see if they can fix that. Anyway, um, so we'll talk about that. Uh, we're going to try and, um, identify more specifically certain roles and, uh, and get training done for specific roles and also work on, uh, employee evaluations as well. These are all things that I discussed in the past, but honestly, I just, like I said, kind of negligent in sitting down and ultimately, um, you know, getting to uh, brass tax with my department. So, uh,

we're going to do that. Hopefully, uh, get some good out of it. Um, I also want to echo what Jason said about Ron Moore. Um, not only is the Ogulby O kind of something that I associate with my childhood, but I also associate my childhood very largely uh with Ron Moore. I just, you know, I I remember, you know, going into the Raper stand after, you know, baseball practices or baseball games. I was never good at baseball, but that's besides the point. I remember going there after all of that uh and uh just always seeing Ron there and he was always super friendly, super upbeat. He'd always say hey call to my dad and you know he was just he was just a great guy really uh and uh just really really tragic news about him. So um obviously keeping uh him and his family uh in my prayers uh moving forward. Um, the last thing is, as Jason noted, um, I'm not I'm a teacher, but I'm not huge on teacher appreciation week. I appreciate the gestures and whatnot. Uh, but to all the other teachers out there, I do want to wish a happy teacher appreciation week. Uh, you know, um, because it can be, you know, I'm very obviously blessed uh, to work where I work, but it can be a pretty daunting profession. Um and the last thing is um this Friday um uh uh AP tests uh will be happening for US history and I want to wish any Ogals student uh in high school who is taking an AP US history test the best of luck. Um so that's it.

Okay. Thanks Commissioner Mo.

First thing I wanted to remind everyone is Thursday, May 7th is the fire safety tutorial at the Dickinson House at 10 o'clock. This will be instructed by Chief Maltus. It is free admission, so stop on in and learn something new. The police department in the month of April had 86 traffic stops, 19 keys locked in cars, 32 EMS assists, and 18 case reports. The ambulance had 30 in town 911 calls, nine district calls, one mutual aid given for a total of 45 total calls. They also attended two PR events. And the fire department had eight mutual response um mutual aid responses. Five wires down, three storm standbys, three auto accidents, two drone requests, two odor investigations, one activated alarm, one rescue, one brush fire, one hazmat call, and of these 13 were in the city, six were in the district, and eight was out of district.

Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner McDerman. First off, I'd like to u wish the family of Mr. Moore best wishes. The reaper stands an iconic of Oglesby and um Austin, I do have to ask you whatever happened with the city between the parks just to think about it. You don't have to answer. That's what I prefer, but I didn't want to rock the boat. We can have a discussion at a later. It never did go either way. I I I like that too, Mac. But Jason and I agreed on that.

The safe route to schools is going good. Uh people had question about the sidewalk. It is by specs and um it's going good. Wastewater treatment plant is underway and they're doing really good work out there. That's amazing. The dry bridge, they're going to be blocking that off. They haven't given us a definite date, but they're wanting to block it off for three days solid. Um, emergency crews of some kind, we'll figure something out to have something on the other side. Miss Moy and myself and Chief, both police and fire will work it out. Um, let's see. That's about it.

Well, thanks, Mac. I appreciate Thanks. I know you did a lot of effort uh with uh the the safe route to school stuff. I know there's a lot of pain points with a lot of residents out there and I know you've been taking a lot of uh extra work and time to try to try to minimize as much of that. So, I do appreciate that. So, thank you. Commissioner Baldridge, I'd also like to send my condolences to the Moore family. Uh one of the best guys I've ever met and uh he's will surely be missed. Uh, I I'll uh I'll pass on the rest of what I was going to say here. So, go ahead.

Okay. Uh, number 13, council final comments. Current I don't know. That mean this is the last one it's on. Technically, Pat, would you say that it was technically voted down or does it have to be voted down after the ordinance comes on? What do you think? No, it wasn't voted down. So, this will be the last time. It wasn't voted I think it was voted down though to remove it from the agenda. Okay. All right. Well, since this is the last one here, I'll go around the room if anybody has anything they'd like to add for any reason, any topic. No, I'm good.

So, again, I'll just say it's the last one we're going to have on here, unfortunately, and I guess maybe three months it'll come back. I don't know what that means. My two cents is that if you're trying to bring extra transparency or people want to be able to talk about things or feel feel that their voices are being silent, this is a great place for that. This is a good place for anything that might have came up during the meeting if somebody wanted to talk about. But other than that, that's all I got. Um, do we have a reason to go into close session? I believe we do. Judge from last meeting. Okay. Yes, we do.

Uh, number 14, executive session for the purpose of the appointment uh appointment, employment compensation, discipline, performance, or dismissal of specific employees. Discussion of minutes of meetings lawfully closed under the open meetings act, collective negotiating matters between the public body and its employees or the representatives or deliberations concerning salary schedules for one or more class of employees and the purchase of lease uh or lease of real property for the use of the public body including meetings held for the purpose of discussing whether a particular parcel should be acquired pursuant to the authority granted by fivecs 120/2 C1 152 and six respectively. Can I get a motion to go into executive session? I will move that we enter executive session per the affformentioned exemptions. I'll second that motion. Roll call, please. Baldridge. I.

Cullinin. I. McDermott. I. Moy. I. Currin. Hi. There's no planned action after executive session everybody. Everybody have a wonderful night. Stay safe. Although it sounds like the thunder and rain might have stopped. Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate that, Debbie. She did a good long life. She was a great woman. I was blessed to have her 73 years. Yeah. Yeah. She was talking about that was

cancelled. I bought my mother. Same with my mother. So, Thank you. I'm glad I'm glad this He did good. 138. That's That's on the same road. 128. I know. I know. I didn't want her to leave. Did she leave? I was like, I I don't know exactly. I was hoping you've seen I don't I don't think so. I think it might be

IDR. Well, that that was my fault. I thought you told me they Well, I think IDR owns it, but I don't think it's I think it is and that's what you got. That's what I can tell everybody in my opinion. That's what I

Yeah, the one that we were thinking of going with I was talking to Mac and Jason about he brought it up. It was a city within a park and that's actually what's on the sign down the house. I kind of like that, you know, but I just, you know, I don't know. That's a discussion to have. Whatever you think. Thank you. I'm glad somebody likes

I just figured we needed a little bit more consistency. request.

So I just

Hi there. How are you? I'm good. Where's my back? We're back in open session. Roll call, please.

Baldrich, here. Cullinin, here. McDermott, here. Moy here. Curtain here. Number 15, adjournment. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Move. Second roll, please. Uh, Baldrich. Hi. Cullinin. Hi. McDermott. Hi. Moy. Hi. Currin. Hi. Good night everybody. Instead of sending you all an email tomorrow, I'm delivering this. What do we got here? This way you all can sleep on it and think about it because I think it's crazy what you're doing. Yes. Absolutely. Hey,

huh? You're reading. I'm sorry. Um, at some point I'd like to figure out how to use my iPad. Yeah. And I don't know it's got a 36.