Planning and Zoning Meeting - Regular Meeting

I'm going to call the meeting of planning and zoning commission to order. Uh the date is January 15, 2006. It is 603. You want to do the roll call, please? Yep. See Shannon here. Seth here. Mary here. Bill here. We have a coral.

I need uh the next item on the agenda is to approve the minutes for November 20th, 2025 planning commission meeting. Um are there any additions or corrections? If there are any code changes, then I'll take a motion. Okay. And second minutes. Oh. Um, yes. Okay. All in

fion. Shannon, do you mind putting your um microphone at you? Can you turn it up? So, is it on? Public comments um on non-aggenda non-aggenda items. We will open the floor to the public comments. This portion of the comments on items not scheduled for public hearing this evening. speakers are asked to state their name and address for the record.

So, um maybe reiterate that it's for the reszone. This is the public hearing or no? No, that's the next thing on the agenda.

Okay, not seeing any. The next thing is um public comment is closed for the non-aggenda items. Uh we would like to open the public hearing for reszoning request at 605 presentation. Okay. So we have uh reszone 01 2026. Um this has come before the planning and zoning previously. Um this the difference between the previous time and this time is that before it was R1 requesting to go to R3. This time it's R1 requesting to go to R2. Applicant is Jason Weatherman. And um the site location is at 8th and Mason Street. So in your packet you have the application, the location map, the survey, and then the publication and letter sent to um neighbors within 195 ft. Um it is recommended by staff that this could be approved um on the basis that uh it is in close proximity to R2 um which would just be on the east side of Mason. That area is currently zoned as R2. It would touch it adjacently through other street. Any questions for staff?

Okay. Thank you. This is [clears throat] I just wanted to make sure. Good good question because we have a bit of a cord issue then. So, um, is the city going to have to run basin on up in there or is the contractor going to take care of that? That would be the responsibility of the contract contract. Okay. And it wouldn't be a public street. But I do think we have a bigger issue. You

said it would be a public street. It won't. It won't. Right. Good. Okay. Um, I don't I don't know. [laughter] I don't think we can vote on this tonight because we don't have You could have the hearing, but you can't have a vote. All right. Well, we'll continue the hearing and then we'll have to put this on for the next agenda. Very good. Okay. Does the applicant want to give a presentation or talk? Um, I didn't already my presentation on my pass. Okay. Pretty pretty forth. So, and public comment.

Open it up for public comment related to the resoning request. You have to turn the microphone on. Turned it off. Oh, get complicated. [laughter] Just hold it down for a second. The little button. Yep.

Martin, 316 Dire Street. um years ago, this commission changed that from R2 to R1 because the property around it was all R1. And owner at the time didn't really have any objections to making the change. He thought it might be in his best interest be a little neighborly to his folks lived real. This was at a time when we did many spot zone removals if you will in the city. And while this does connect to R2 via the street, nothing's changed around it. All the homes are still single family. So my two cents is I would be in opposition to the change just for the just for the simple fact that nothing in the butts to the property is R2 and uh you have to go to a street and it's not much of an access to a street I might add that uh would get you close to an R2. Thank you.

James Town live 203 South Americ uh for 36 years. Had no problem with the R1, the R2. We got enough people up there. The street, private streets going to come right by me, ain't north of me. Uh they put a street through their concrete or asphalt. The neighbor north of me, he's going to have to have a retaining wall. But uh or the garage was flooded. Water sheds right against his garage and boundary mind to feet to die. One, fine. But two, we don't need that that much traffic coming through that.

You mean a little rideway, but you're talking about entering into that and do something that's small? Yeah. Yeah, I live at Phil South. South. I live north. Yeah. South of being north of on that float. And I said he'll have to have a retaining wall put up or that water put asphalt or concrete whatever in there. That grass soaking it up now. But uh that water shed off the asphalt and stuff down on your place. Yeah. Yeah. And the gentleman on now won't even mow the grass. Yeah. And we're in a drought. We get some of that 30 40 mph winds that catch on fire. You know what we're going to look like? California. There you go.

Time fire department gets up there, it's going to be embers all over us. And it's been that way ever since he owns it. He wants mo. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? I'll go and respond to that real quick.

Okay. So whether it's a single family or a R2, there's going to be a driveway there. Doesn't [clears throat] doesn't change the water shedding um you know and obviously it has to go through planning to um promote erosion control etc. So that's not a big deal. Second thing is is obviously nobody's done anything with it as a single family for years and years and there's a reason for that. Nobody wants to build a house there with um that dead end street. So um as far as addition to traffic, uh it's on a dead end. There's going to be a couple families that live there instead of one. Uh I don't see any considerable traffic increase whatsoever. So,

do you know how many units you were thinking of putting in? Uh, I don't really know. It's all going to depend on how much dirt work we're going to have to do. Obviously, we're going to want to have plenty of grass, plenty of shrubs, you know, etc. to make sure that it looks natural. So, you know, there might only be, you know, a duplex on it. I don't We haven't found that part. Yeah. Yeah. Put a C facing in between there and down towards Maine up at the end where everything slopes towards Maine.

Yeah. I mean, that's all that's all the engineers. They're going to have to figure that stuff out. I mean, no matter what. Um, you know, and as far as other people's, you know, land. I mean, I can't control what happens with their land. I mean, you know, I mean, you can live in a place for 20 years and somebody builds a house next to you and all a sudden you have water problems. It's just kind of comes with importantly. Can you state your name for the record? Sure. Jason Wilson.

Thank you. Well, he's Robert Ley at 8:15 West Street. Uh, when he was talking about drainage there, I can vouch that that's not how that works. I would work at the fireworks place. We built a new building. we had to redo numerous things because it flooded the mall. So, uh that it it does not work how he said. So, and of course I live at the top of the hill so that water all run down. But yeah, that that is not how it works. We built our building. there. It's all

I will say we do have a more stringent engineering review process now that requires um a pretty extensive review of storm water. And the way our it's written in our ordinance is that you have to account for the water that's leaving your property and justify how you're um to make sure to justify that you're not making um a negative impact downstream. You have to go do somebody else's property to get it out there anyway you go unless you come out towards 8 Street. Looks like to me that almost be up. You're going to have to go to Maine. I mean there houses all down through there. I guess six plexes or fourplexes. You're going to have to find some way for rainwater. Put some kind of underground in there or catch bas or something to get rain water off that hill. I guess engineering did that did it correctly. So there's not a problem water in the backyard. Just something to think about. Yeah. Not our problem.

Or the engineers. Okay. Anybody else like to speak?

No one else wishes to speak. We'll close the hearing at 6:16. Just one more. Yeah. I moved there at 89. the field to the north of me did have a catch pond there in that draw. Mhm. It's water, but uh I don't know who owns it now, but he let it go dry and filled it in. The older man always keep bush, but there was a catch pole. Okay,

any other comments? Then we're going to close it at 6:17. business. We now have [laughter]

um moving on of new business parcel 23-1.0.02-10000- Go 2-1000 dash 026 012 or one location 8th Street in Mason acreage 1.4 4 acres. Current zoning is R1, family dwelling district. Proposed zoning is R2. Um, is there any discussion on the reszoning from the commission? Uh, I entertain a motion regarding case of RZ-01-2026. I think I just don't know how

this is for this would be the for the reason. Yeah, we're still on street. No, you're fine. Yeah. Does anybody want to make a motion? I'll make a motion to vote on it. You can you can just say um a motion to recommend approval and then we'll say gay or nice. If you want to Okay, I'll make a motion to not recommend it. [laughter]

No one. I'll second that. I discussion.

Okay. actually

discussion would be helpful for the applicant. Yeah,

I think my opinion on it is we had a lot of public comment this time and last time. Um the community members that live around there have a lot of concern. Um, we voted not to entertain this last time. Um, and then this time it kind of felt like there wasn't really a lot of information to go on. Um, and it was just kind of being brought up. Last time there was, you know, rough sketches and drawings of what we were going to have. And this time it was just like, oh, we made up one. There's not enough information for me to be able to say yes that I'm okay with this when I don't really know what I'm okay.

Yeah. I will I will refute that slightly because um in in this scenario it's the commission's responsibility to vote to vote on the reszone. So whether or not duplexes should or should not be there. The how is determined later on throughout the process. So, we intentionally did not put the additional information in to keep it biased from getting into um the how as opposed to yes or no. Should we have R2 or not? No, and I I totally get that on that. I think my opinion is we've already voted on this. We don't have to

we you're talking two different things talking R3 versus R. But essentially [clears throat] we're still zoning it for multiple families. So it's either you can put a triplex or you can put a duplex. That's the difference. So for me, same thing from a single family too.

I think except for the homeowners around it and they don't want it. That's we far as I'm concerned that's who I represent. They said no. So no as far as I'm there. Well, home owners don't want highways going to but things have to change kind of the way the way sooner [clears throat] or later all is going to move out this way and it's going to continue to grow. If you want to decide in a town, then you probably need to like go to a place like M place where you don't want any.

I don't think it's that you don't want. I just know that they have worked really hard to replat properties around the areas to make a cohesive single family multif family. It's connected to a multif family though also on the other side. So on the other side, not land touch, correct? touching the road. Right. The road is divided by road, right? Right. Which I mean there's a road dividing it between everybody else's property too and the road. So just know it was R2. We reszone it to R1. So and there was a reason for that at the time and I think that reason still exists.

Why does the city recommend we pass? because of the proximity to R2 along main street down there on the east side of 8th Street. Yeah.

More discussion on the motion. Thank you. So, all those in favor, it's a roll call vote for this one. Okay, Shnie, you're out. Correct. So, so you would vote because your motion was to not recommend it. So, your vote would be yes.

Yes, I voted. There was no recommended be. Wouldn't that be a no if you don't recommend it? No, because he he imposed it as he did not want it. So he reversed it. So now you're going to have to vote no if you're against it. Yes, if you want it to happen. No, the other way. Yeah. However you want to put it. That would be a yes vote. Yes, that's what I thought I was saying here. Did I say it wrong? Whatever. Okay,

do I uh since I missed part of the good I guess that yes, go for it or just No. and Mary. So motion carries

now this point. Can you go to BDA with this or is it just It'll it'll still go to the board of alderman just not with your recommendation. Okay. Gotcha. Our recommendation is not to our recommendation to the board. Correct. To the board of water turned it down for when it came through before. Right. That's a good point.

Okay. Going on to new business for a reflex. Next item up is parcel 22-3.1-6-0000-32.0000 Asher Meadows lot 1 and two 510 Orchard Street. Staff presentation. Okay, we have replot 01-2026. This is a repot of all of lots three and four for Allen Walls subdivision. Um the applica applicant is Thomas Asher Surveyor Edmond Guard. The address is 510 East Orson Street. It's currently zoned as R1 single family. And [clears throat] then there is the application location map and survey included in your packet. Uh staff recommends approval of the proposed reflat. Approval of the ref will not create adverse impacts on adjacent properties.

Just to give a so the what the applicant is wanting to do. Um you can see on the survey we have this page available to you um they're wanting to split it into two parcels but because the bottommost south portion um was added on we could not do a reflat or we could not do a lot split because it's already been combined prior. So, um, instead of a a lot split, it's a lot, but it's still going into two lots and you can one lot and two lot, there's a one and a two in the survey picture.

So, they're going to put three and four and make them equal. The line they got draw the dark line. Good. Is that where we're going to split it at? Yes. Yes. So, why don't the number three is going to be a lot smaller than four and two? Correct. Correct. And that's in that zone R1. It'll split into two lots currently. One larger lot if you can see on the Yeah. So I understand what's being requested.

No. So this is all and the way it's drawn That wood line is an over.

They're wanting to put single family on the smaller line. a small real quick just a moment needs a little bit more additional research. So, we did have to change the dimensions of the lot to make it meet our code. Um, our code actually within R1 has R1 A through E. So, the lot one, we had to make that smaller to make the setback. Lot width of 70 ft. And a larger lot, I believe, fell within R1. D. So that's why that one is larger. So that was also part, but we had to change the width on those. But both meet the requirements.

Yes. So any other question on that? neighbors have to be notified. No, not on a on a question for you. On this it has like a little like on this. So, this is the county's GIS mapping

which um gives you a general idea of where the lot lines are, but it is not 100% accurate. This is the professional survey that was completed. Would that square the square feet in there be correct at 1400 893? Would that be correct on 14,893 on the survey? Would that be correct? It should be correct. Yes. [clears throat] Would that mean our code to build on a few It will be a small house, but

don't you have to have a certain amount of boundary on each side of the house, the property line, one side or the other? I don't have to be a Yeah,

shut down. Only thing I wonder about is like the house over there. It's [clears throat] on the west of there. How they would like have a little behind whether or not it meets our requirements, right?

I guess so. I'm thinking it's like if we if we split this up tiny little I guess you're gonna obviously put like a little house. That's your that's what you want to do. But like at the same time like there's these little tiny houses popping up all over and that just feels like little tiny houses popping up all over and not like actual growth to me. And so it's like I guess I just feel like we're just giving permission to do something. There's no restrictions against that. Yeah. But that's what they would have to put in there. What she's talking about if they're going to put a house in it.

I guess that's really not our concern. Our concern is whether or not it meets the criteria and it does. So automatically give it a yes. I mean there's discussion if you find a reason, but it has to be something. It can't be on what might go there, what maybe be there. It can't be. Well, yeah. The usefulness of what be put in there. We didn't put it out. That's not correct. The engineers will go over it and they'll say whether or not it can work or not. So, until engineering studies are done and everything's been run through, [clears throat] there's really nothing we can say. All we can say is yes, we can split it or no, we can't. Very good.

And we do have the like the next step if this were to go through. In order for them to obtain a building permit, they would need to have um plan review done for the site and for the building. So we send our site plan review to our engineers. They kind of check off and make sure the lot require the lot size requirements are there. The setbacks are there all of those things. And then the building itself goes to IBTS for building plan review and that there they can make sure that even though it may be smaller that all of the 2012 building code build code requirements are met. So, there's still this it doesn't mean for sure they're going to build a house there, but it means that um they can apply and submit plans and those will be reviewed.

What about parking on that street? Is parking allowed on that street? Um I don't know off the top of my head if it is or not. It's residential freeze right place talking about so freeze right down either. Yeah. would be required to have driveway. We'll put you put driveway in without a garage. I don't see a problem making the change.

I guess they're just going to split the lot of went to engineering and everything and all that, but I like power. I would want to see for a little house. It was just for the folks next door, but I suppose that'd be up to engineering what they say yes or no to. They used to be stuck with a small line. I wouldn't be opposed to if you want to split it. That I'm good. And that's why we have setbacks. So there is a perimeter between this person's lot and the neighbor's lot. You know, the the neighbor has their own setbacks from the edge of their parcel to their house and then the next house will have the same level of requirements to create that separation between neighbors. I just I probably bag. I can't get property bag. [clears throat] We're not talking.

I know we can't talk about that. That's what would happen. Can I entertain a motion to replant 01206? I need a motion. I'll make a motion to second. Any other discussion then? All in favor? All in favor? Raise your hand. Bill, did you in favor? Yeah. Yeah, I'm in favor. without two in favor. All right. Yeah. Say all. I would say all all this. I'm sorry.

Okay. Motion carries three. Four to one. Four to one. Sorry. [laughter] I can't Are we and then do that or just keep going? That's up to you. Up to you. Everybody wants to hang around for that.

Does any do is there a need for recess? Um, do you want a recess or do you want to just go into it? Whatever you guys want to do. You guys like I'm ready. 7 o' more minutes. What everybody wants to do, I guess. But I'm open.

Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] All right. We're gonna go into a workshop working on zing issues. Any of you

the request to end at 7 o' [laughter] Mary. Yeah. Elementary schools. Yep. All right. We're picking up on schools, elementary, middle, and high school.

Oh, Mr. Badger. I was gonna I was gonna give my whole speech because we have a new member, but he's not here. So, you guys are already He was here. Um, it's the it's highlighted in yellow. Third page. Third page. Okay. One in yellow. So to in an effort to expedite the process, what did you go to?

I took the liberty and you can tell me if you don't want to know my opinion, but I took the liberty to fill this in with my own opinion and you guys can say yes or no or we can just do it how we have been doing.

All right. So for schools, elementary, middle, and high school, generally speaking, um schools can be on the outskirts of town, but once you start to grow a little bit further, you want your schools to be more neighborhood focused and and oriented around the h the rooftops. So for this, um I put down add R1, R2, and R3 plus PUB. And then conditionally in commercial and industrial

did we decide that a it can't stay a that has to change zoning because that can only be a so we're leaving it

I don't remember [laughter] um I'll have to because we were talking about that on other things and then we decided, oh yeah, you really can't. You'd have to resump it. Yeah, that's true. So, arguably then permitted and residential and then anything above that would be conditional. Yes. So, you're talking conditional and all commercial? Yep. All commercial and industrial. And I have it permitted with the PUB. Any objections to that? No.

So, obviously we would want it to be focused around residential and the rooftops to get the kids closer to their their schools and then anything beyond that is not not allowed, but it would require some discussions with the planning and commission. And then we're going to leave the question on agriculture.

Yeah, we'll come back to that. We have a few come back to Um okay service station automotive. So my understanding of this definition wise is a gas an automotive gas station. So I have permitted in C2, C3, I1 and I2 and I'm curious if you would permit it in C1. What's the difference between a service station and a convenient store?

Um, I think the fuel part of it store like a Casey's Yeah. service station would have fuel. Service station would have fuel in case would have fuel too. dollar infants. I think convenience. You can have a convenience store without fuel. You could have a gas station without convenience. So, okay. But would it a convenience store without fuel? They can be in the same place as a convenience store.

We have convenience store on here. We do that one already. Absolutely. Six months ago. Yeah. I know. That was like August or July. I don't think so. So, would we call a gas station a convenience store?

I don't think so. I think we're just talking about gas station. If they would add a convenience store to it, that wouldn't be a problem. But adding the gas to something would be a problem. So the definition I have a use primarily engage in the retail sale of gasoline and other motor fuels to automobiles and passenger vehicles along with accessory activities such as the sale of lubricants, accessories or supplies, the lubrication of motor vehicles and the minor adjustment or repair of passenger motor vehicles. Uses involved primarily in the sale of diesel fuel, gasoline and other fuels to tractor trucks and uses that feature parking, storage or servicing of tractor trucks or semi-trailers shall be classified as truck stop service stations which is next. So it is a what we consider a gas station. gas station with retail sales of other things vehicle, right? But is it classic gas station?

Would you like riders station? So I would see one. Okay. Anybody else? Yeah. about them at to Mary's to Mary's point, we already have gas stations permitted in C1. So, okay. But all gas stations, Casey's everybody. Yep. Phillips. Okay. So, that convenience store that sells gas Y is a gas station. Yep.

Okay. No, you're fine. Clean it up. Okay. Okay, moving on to truck stops unless anyone objects to it going at C1, C2, C3, I1, I2, and P. So they'll resent you.

Well, I'm trying to, you know, I don't know what it's where they're at. Seems like Lee Summit has a lot of convenience stores that sell gas in residential areas. The land is so so it' be a sounding chain. Yeah. So one of those intersection there is I agree. Thank you. Truck stops have them in I2 and I1, C3.

Anywhere else? C2. I was going to say I can almost say the P eventually. Yeah, we can add that in addition to what did you say? C1 commercial on that one there. I did not say C1. Okay. Or C2. So that's up for discussion. Feel like you're gonna need a lot of space for a truck stop. So I don't know if they would really fit in C1. We just couldn't grow the town. Yeah.

What is it zoned down on the highway there? I was trying to think like if we put a truck stop, right? I think so. I was trying to think like spacewise like because I know we would want a truck stop on. So like I feel like that would knock

C1 out those diesel concert vehicles and people car I think when we're talking more about a truck stop. We're talking more like a Loves or a Yeah. Yeah. But I could say that.

So would we allow it in C2? So that's the darker red. I would say conditional maybe

what used to be red carpet. Can you still drive a semi back in behind there to get fuel gas station? No. Out the BP just down from uh uh on the other side of the street. Oh, the people still drive a diesel truck. But I don't know if that's I don't think we necessarily consider that like a truck stop though because I think it only has two. When I think truck stop, I think

still ain't no broke. Thank you. But I think I said

C2 C3 I'm sorry C3 is the dark red. C2 is the bright red. C1 is the really really light. So C3 is B3. It's C3 from uh the uh the old Ford dealership to almost whistle stuff is McDonald's or C. And then all of this out here

the mall is or not the mall over here. on the north side of 70 is C3. I think it's C3, but our future lane use map shows um everything between that dark red to the 131 bridge as C2. I think I like conditional, but I hope other people on it. I think again that where we need to have that overlay zoning for 70 and I should change everything when they get I7 square way too.

Uh not much of it though. Okay. So, does anyone disagree with C C2 being conditional? The truck stops. Okay. Um, what we had we had discussions prior to for shooting range that was outdoors and so I went ahead and filled those in, but that was when we previously discussed it, we said permitted in C3, I1 I2. So the next one is short shortterm loan services. So this is going to do your like bail bonds and um like quick quick payday type of things. business make the business of making loans for a period of 30 days or less in duration intended to coincide with the period from one payday of the borrower to the next and in principal amounts of $500 or less. I think the reason why this is in a section of its own is because um you it happens a lot of times especially in the county seats that we'll get these build announcements and you get kind of that business and it'll be multiple of them. So it's they tend to pop up larger

police stations that So, um, the point is to I think the intent that many cities have is to try to deter these from not necessarily coming, but we also are in a different time area in 2026 where your quick loans are obtained online now as opposed to in person. So it's probably not something we'll actually have to um confront, but I have down conditionally C2 and C3.

C2 and C3 is the same. I'm good at that.

Okay. The next is um studio television or film. So in my eyes I picture this one to be uh I don't have a definition unfortunately but um like your TV studios like channel 9 news or channel 4 news and you've got all the antennas and things out of it. So u more of a often you could Google an eyesore. Uh I have C2 and C3 and conditionally in C1 and I

I would almost make it not permitted and I want because when I think of it or not I want and see one just because whenever I'm thinking about space like you know in time and working in film like that's a lot of equipment that's a lot of bands that's a lot of stuff and I think that's going to be too much like that would be trying to pack way too much into a little spice of C1 so I say two of that um so those are becoming less bulky industries.

True. Um, so you've got a very wide variety there in those needs between say a true broadcaster that's got to go over the airwaves and has to have the big tower and the things that go out versus somebody who's just maybe literally filming with an iPad or something for a for like Yeah. I almost felt like that would be like a different studio setup though. I don't know if there's a way to break that up because like I feel like what I'm talking what you're talking about would be like a simple like threeperson man operation.

Yeah. Like it's no different than a photo studio. I was gonna that's what I was about to say too is would photography studio fall under here and if so then we need to reconsider because we have a photography studio currently in C1 in our downtown there's no reason not to have it C12 but it must be that that needs to be separated like a couple of different definitions Yeah,

like if we're getting like a Trample Man news coming in like they're like we want to leave lead KCA and they need a lot of space but if it's like just a simple three main woman operation then they just need a storefront. Yeah, we can break it out by size. I also feel a lot of those people who make work from home as well.

All right. Tattoo parlors and body piercing. I have permitted in all commercial. I kind of

transitional living center. Uh this is going to be similar to a group home situation facility certified by the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services to house operations involving the transport. Oh, wait. Transportation. state licensed group care homes for juvenile delinquents. Halfway house is providing residence rehabilitation and counseling to persons on release from a more restrictive custodial confinement and residential rehabilitation treatment centers which also may provide outpatient rehabilitation for alcohol and other drug abuse. But it is residential in the sense that they live there. Transitional.

Do we have a separate category for people with disabilities that would be living somewhere on this? We have group home. We have convolescent care which is the nursing home categories and then group home which is the um

yeah protected living environment for physically and mental disabilities. I just wanted to make sure that these were getting separated out and a sister that usually won't trade. I want to make sure that we're very clear on the physics. So I have I mean you might correct me if I may be wrong but um I have permitted in C2 and C3 conditionally in industrial one R3 and C1 said R3 yeah R3 and then what C1 C2 C3

conditional in R3 and C1 fermented C2C3 conditional and I bump I think my opinion is I'm make it all conditional and then make it conditional on PB as well just because depending on what type of living center is coming in

that way we have a way to be able to like no that shouldn't go there you know like you So that would be my only comment. What did you put down for a group of residential just since you build it out? Because we didn't do that. We skipped it. Yeah, I went back and added um I added Did I do the same thing? I did. Yeah, I did the same thing. Conditional R3 with C1 permitted C2C3 conditional I want discuss both

I just don't see him in an industrial area. Yeah. I the only one I do is just because depending on if it's like a detox center like you would want a detox center. So like I could say like I1

well near I1 is going to be like all along the railroad tracks and then kind of that west side of town. That's why I kind of put it in there as conditionally because putting it in I1 can sometimes get it um kind of isolated or outside of our more commercial and busier areas but um with conditions so we have the ability to kind of vitally all of them

I mean if it was conditional or is there is there something that I'm not seeing there that would come into town or is there any you have any we don't have anything like this now well that I don't know that we have any transitional living but we may have for living I'm not we probably need to check with the police department I'm not aware of any off the top of my seems like

there might be some groups that you know on the group the the residential group I'm not sure what all that entails but I would think that there some groups be easier to get along with than others and I think a lot of times uh my fiance works in this uh in the resial uh field and a lot of times you do have the disruption that may be in the home that could come outside. So you're going to have that problem no matter where it is.

So if it's in single family residential to me that's more impactful than it being in a um greater zoned area and u maybe the neighbors are further apart or you know, it's it's just kind of where we land on it, though. So, I also think you're talking about like two very different populations of people here.

Um because when we're talking when I see because this is kind of like what I do from a social worker. So, when I think of transitional living with what we're talking about with this category, we're talking about people who are detoxing from me and heroin, maybe alcohol treatment, um or we're talking about people who have been released from prison or incarceration. We're talking like a halfway house. But when we're talking about like group home, I think of people like my sister who is 100% capable of telling you everything that's going on in the world, has a bachelor's degree but uses a wheelchair and needs someone to help her with uh activities of daily living like cooking, bathing, bathing, toileting, things like that. So like you can get in the category where you have a a group home of people with like autism, down syndrome, things like that. So yeah, there could be some type of disturbance if somebody is having a bad day. But I think you would have a lot less of a disturbance with that situation than you would with potentially someone detoxing or something like that. So I think those are kind of like the big differences that I see. Railroad. It just seems most release programs would be good to be close [clears throat] to where you're working. Okay.

For the pedestrian areas, I I think we I don't want to I don't know that we say that it's not permitted in that's where I think that the conditional is the best fit here or speaking to the transitional living. I think we had a woman's group at one time and it was in the old Baptist church library. Oh, remember that? I almost feel like a lot of it was before your time it was ran by a church. said,

I just almost feel like for any of the transitional living, we just need to make it small. That way, we have more control over kind of like we've been talking about like we have more control over saying like, oh yeah, that's fine there. Or is this something where there would be a public hearing if they were wanting to put in a certain location that was in

a neighborhood? I see it in the news all the time. You know, they're upset because a group's coming into their neighborhood this or that if they needed to reszone. So, if we made it conditionally and completely across the board, then no, because they wouldn't need to reszone whatever it is, it would come here. But I don't I guess I don't know. So, we don't ever have conditional use. We don't know if the conditional use requires a public hearing. I would assume so because still I don't know

yet that's at least what Opro has a lot of things under CB right now and all also city can always hold the public hearing about anything that's required. So yeah, I guess if we put C all the way across, it would still it would for sure come to you guys. In fact, what? Oh, just clarify. I don't mean all the way across. I just mean R3. Okay. So not in not permitted in R1, R2.

Not permitted in agriculture, not permitted in I2 and maybe a PE. I that would be my opinion. conditional. Yeah. Okay. So, going back to group home though, we can button that up while we're on the top. Not group home, group residential.

Yeah, group ex. Yeah, group residential. Oh yeah, we already did. Group residential reads as um the use of a site for occupancy by groups of more than five persons not defined as a family on a weekly or longer basis. Typically uses include fraternity or sorority houses. So group home is we were talking about before. Group residential is totally different. See, I thought we were talking about group. That's bad.

Typical uses include fraternity and sorority houses, dormitories, residence halls, and boarding or lodging houses. The term group residential does not include group homes. What did we do with universities or schools? Don't think we did that because I felt like we have to make those match because if we ever get like a schools we did

we didn't do college or university but I took the liberty to my option I put C1 C2C3 conditionally in I1 and not permitted in I2. The reason why I did that too is because you can college or university can vary on so many levels. You could have and C1 varies on so many different levels. You could have just a you know single classroom style barber school like a hairstyle barber school.

True. You could have that or you could have um like a satellite location where you can obviously have an entire university. So it varies quite a bit when it comes to colleges. What did you have on that? Uh that's the C1, C2, C3 conditionally I1 and not permitted in I2. I would almost make the argument to make it conditional on I2 too. Okay. Um, and the only reason I say that is like what if we get a big welding school or something like Yeah. Like just something real big like some big school truck driving school or

true something wanted to come in. Does everyone agree with that? And then back to group residential. feel like that almost has to match college and university in case well I guess maybe not in C1. I think that the other thing you need to consider with group residential is where you would want it in res in the residential categories because it is where people live. should be in residential somewhere

be a multif family situation and it can be conditional too. So uh so remind me what we just did in college and university I have for college and university permitted in C1 C2 C3 conditional for I1 and I2 and for what was that you were just going in on college and university college

and are we good with putting th at least those the same permitted in C1 C2C3 conditionally I1 I2 for group presidential and then conditioning in R3.

I'm okay with conditional R3. I do worry I would almost not make it permitted in C1, I would almost make it conditional. And I know I'm the one that just said like they need to match, but the reason I think that is it's like if it's the tiny little farmer school or hair studio, where are they going to sleep at? And in C1 So I think we need to have like a little bit of knowledge before we improve that because I'm but I guess like they could rent the building next door but within the building next door we well it's a small university they're probably not going to have

so permitted in C1 for group residential or conditional in C

[laughter] is conditional on because you don't want it in your downtown. Yeah, most likely which is C2. So additional cost depend on where it's at and what's next to it. I think they're condition. And then maybe we could. Yeah.

One sec. Vehicle equipment sales. Think we can make it through the rest of this section. because all of them we probably can just make match to what we just did with college and university. Vocational school. Yeah, that's safe.

Okay. So, vocational school would match college and university permitted in commercial and conditional and industrial. Does that include high school? I guess let's say if the high if the high school's adding a vocational school on their lot, it wouldn't make Yeah. But if they're going to go do a satellite lot somewhere else, then it would need to follow this. I think we pretty much got it to where they could build it.

Yeah. Except for

um Okay. Vehicle equipment sales. I have um conditional in C2 permitted in C3 and I1 and I2. And I think for reasons so where the car lot used to be is that C2 C3 C3.

What about where new the new heavy equipment where the diesel shop was? What was that? And because it's now that equipment. Yeah. Would that fall into this?

That would be I guess their sales. I think they are. I don't know. I think they are. Yeah. I won. Wait. I1. Yeah, right there. All the railroad tracks is all this light flew. Is I1. That's good. Yeah. I didn't realize industrial was right there because I would have thought that was you advanced industrial. Yeah. Like industrial advance advanced action. Is that what we're talking about? That's on a new

downtown there. Then they also have the location right up the road. Yeah. They just had some new buildings built right over there too. So that's a place to go railroad tracks you're talking about. And that we end up making that now. See that we're just saying that that advances in light industrial even though it's kind of in the core of our town.

All right. So vehicle and equipment sales [clears throat] a use engaged in the retail wholesale or rental from the premises of motorized vehicles equipment storage yard. Wait, did where did we land on sales? Yeah, one sales is what like we're working on. Yeah, we were working on sales, I thought. So, I have C3, I1, I2 conditionally, it's C2. Arguably, the Dodge dealership is in C2 currently. Okay. What did we do for storage yard?

We haven't done it. Okay. Yeah. So, make it conditional for C1. We can make it conditional for C1. I don't know that it needs to be conditional for C2. Yeah, I would make it permitted for C2 if we already have the Dodge dealership in the C2. I kind of would be like, oh, they get to do this and I don't. Okay. Use a couple more out there. Now we have storage yard. Do you want to do the storage yard or do you want to go down to vehicle repair? because it seems like that should be right in there with your vehicle equipment says

so the difference between general and limited so vehicle repair general primarily engaged in painting of or body work to motor vehicles or heavy equipment typical uses include paint and body shops limited is automobile repair or maintenance services within an enclosed building but not including general repair vehicle repair services. So, one's a body shop and one's a repair shop. Yep. We have a gas station that does oil changes. That would be probably

Yeah. I almost say that we just match what we did for vehicle equipment cells because you're going to need about the same amount of area if you're going to store vehicles to repair them. So like I feel like all three of those could just match. because they do a lot of repair at the mall dealership or whatever. Okay. Which one are we working on? I keep a different name and I'm just like where are we? So we can't stores. Yeah. Okay. We're just we're talking about the next two.

Okay. because like I felt like you could just make those two match what we did for sales because essentially [clears throat] kind of like what you just brought up, the Dodge dealership does a lot of repairs out there anyways. So, like they're already doing repairs and probably I don't know if they have a body shop, but we have a body shop downtown next to the Do we want to permit those in I1 and I2 or those conditional? I feel like in I1 they would be permitted. I don't know about I2. I feel like that would be conditional

or not permitted in I2. I mean, I don't want to tell someone they can't put in a giant body shop if they want to, but I mean, it's what y'all think. Additional and I too for all three. Well, come back to our gas stations and I the gas stations that do tire repair and change oil.

And I almost think too we got like a big shop or something and they want to have their own body shop or something still. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Going back to we still we don't we also they have the ability to reszone. So, if they're I mean your I2 is your most extreme industrial. So, you're that's like like um rich flow. You see what I'm saying?

Richie brothers are too. I think so. That's vehicle sales. It's auction vehicle auction, but it's still vehicle sales. Vehicle repair. That's when we're on the side on it and the general. Yes. I think they'd be one and the same almost. I mean, okay. So reverting back all three permit in I2. I2. Yep. For vehicle repair, limited, general, and vehicle sales. Yeah.

Okay. Now, okay. Wait a minute. is uh the tractor repair place downtown is that I one tractor repair place the used to be getting about Shamrock. What's that? Shamrock. Yeah, I don't know. Downtown right there on the end just from the ice cream shop. No, that's a good day. Chevrolet was. What's that? Chevrolet was No, no, no, no. Uh Don Gettinger is Oh, that's automat.

No, no, no, no. Right across the railroad tracks right now. That's in the That's light industrial. Okay. So, are we saying that they wouldn't qualify? No, we they would. Okay. So, we are going to put them in permit in I1. That's No, it closed. Yeah, it's technically not open. Shamrock. Yeah, but I mean it's

Yeah, automotive repair. [laughter] It used to be a car dealership, I believe. Right. Think so. at least on building that building only good for certain things but I think we have that peritted city. Yeah, it's got it's got so that works what we just did for them too.

All right. vehicle. No, vehicle equipment storage yard. Pretty self-explanatory on that one. I'd say not permitted in C1, conditional in C2, peritted in C3, peritted in I1, and maybe conditional I1, I2. I think we would want those to be pushed to I12. So we wouldn't even condition one or two, would we?

I think it should. There's a lot of storage. The lot across the street from Dollar General.

Oh, the storage thing where they store boats and stuff. So I think that's your bottom one, your warehouse, warehouse, residential storage. And then there was also one that I wasn't 100% sure on the difference between them, but there's a warehouse residential parenthesis mini storage and then there was a um there wasn't maybe that's what I was maybe But I would I would consider that to be that one's boat storage.

There's also RV storage. I mean, that one's large storage, I guess. I feel like we've had that one before. That's what I'm trying to

We talked about that. Oh, I think that's where we're talking about like recreational vehicle sales and service. I don't I don't see another one that's actual storage. Unless it was like storage yard versus residential mini storage. What was the definition of that?

What about that story for their

I don't know what that I guess they're probably not Yeah, actually I don't think they are. I don't I'm sure they got their own rightway within their rideway generally residential storage.

Okay. an enclosed storage facility containing independent fully enclosed bays that are leased to individuals exclusively for long-term storage of household goods and personal property. So I would consider that to be what's across from Dollar General. See I would think that's what be across by the m I mean it's both of them. I say I don't because I don't you're not going to get a vote and like the laundry mat won. because I think you're going to be in a bigger space, but I think you can classify them both as warehouse residential storage.

See, I I I still say that that other one is different with vehicle or equipment storage. I feel like a boat would fall under equipment cuz like if you get a pontoon boat, it's not going to fit over there. I think that would be more of an outdoor storage. Yeah, that's true. This is Yeah. And so that well I that's why I was going back to that last one of vehicle equipment storage where we kind of said that like it couldn't go in like a seat area. So that's why I was just kind of jumping back to that. Yeah. I think the difference is outdoor storage versus storage.

I I have residential mini storage as C3 I1 I2 but I think that the one down I think it's C3. The one from Dollar General in front of Dollar General is C3 today. What about the house that's owned by the uh laundry there on Spring Street? Uh oh, you're talking about the one off of Mason. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. That's actually I1. Oh, that's it. Yeah.

So, we've got one in C3, one in C3, and one in I4 today. Well, the line across from Dollar General, I know that they restored you know, back and that type of thing. There's driver sets in one bar probably. It'd be hard to police. I think C3 can have we have C3 permitted for storage, vehicle equipment storage and residential storage. Okay,

that's the question. Can it go? Can either go or R? No, I mean C3. I'm so sorry. I don't have C3. I'm talking about residential. I was like, I don't think anybody wants that. I'm fine with it being permitted in both of them storage and mini storage. I think they need to be conditional in our commercial area, but don't we already have one in our commercial area? So then again, I feel it falls back to either we're going to all of them or

if we change it, would it change what they're already in now? So business closed, they couldn't put Let's look at it this way. The two that are in C3 today, are they creating any adverse effects in C3 today? So, there's one on Spring Street and one across from Dollar General.

I mean, I wouldn't say necessarily today, but if downtown increases traffic and you're trying to back a truck into that, then it could. But, okay, that looked like for you just to review. I know you've already got this down. Um the vehicle equipment story chart, how does that compare to the vehicle equipment sales? One's one's to me one would be sales like look at IAA.

I know, but how do you have it your sheet from the official sheet? Um I have currently storage yard C3 I1 I2. Okay. So those we can do that and sales I have conditional C1 permitted C2 permitted C3 permitted I1. Okay. So if we did the conditional on the sales, we ought to do conditional on the storage too.

Okay. One's auto storage and the other one is household storage, right? No, I think he's talking about sales and storage. So, storage yard, not so. Yeah. So, we're back up to vehicle equipment storage matching vehicle equipment sales. I think I could use it, correct? I would think I would think if you were selling it, you'd want to have your product there, too.

Yeah. But I do think they're different. A storage yard is like I picture it to, let me just read the definition. An outdoor area used or intended to be used for long-term storage of vehicles and equipment other than a commercial parking lot or accessory parking to a principal use. You don't mean I guess I don't I wasn't think we have salvage yard in a different category.

When I think of like what you're talking about I think of like what Ford does with all those white trucks up there 435 or 35. You know what I'm saying? It's like they're to me when I think that I just think of like they're just the the vehicle manufacturers that need to for the vehicles they make that aren't ready to sell yet or whatever. So, well, and maybe there's a question mark on what it is and which would create the um need for it to be more conditional because there's it it could be that or it could be brothers.

Yeah. The IAA I think we consider Richie the IAA to be a salvage yard. Yeah, I'm almost leaning back that like maybe this is be I mean too confusing and I almost feel like storage yard and warehouse residential storage should just go conditional, you know, at all and then that way we have a little bit more say of where a storage facility can go in just because like do we want a storage facility that will have or do you want me to farm storage?

I do think that mini storage is probably a little bit more common of a uh permit or project. Uh something that's easy to build. Um there's a strong need for it. So I I would be lerary of of restricting its ability to come to a destiny. I think it should be per I think we'd have to allow it to be permitted in certain areas, but we have kind of the say so where those areas are. But I think if we make it conditional again goes to that like um back to the like limiting growth like if we make make it too Whatever. I'll just build it, but we'll still pay it. So, I have um mini storage permitted in C3, I1, and I2 and I don't think it should go below a C2. I think it should I don't should go see two or three. And for the vehicle equipment storage yard there, I feel like there is a more of a reason to go uh commercial because we don't it could encompass things that were we don't know exactly what their business is. We need to know that reflective.

So it's conditional and see. Yep. Do we want to allow it in I1 and I2 and just conditional in C3? That's only if they're building it. Not necessarily. So finally finally to park 100 cars out the out the mall or post the mall office

the mall is C that's a good example though the mall is C2 currently it's vacant um if we said this was permitted in C2 we could end up having Ford purchase the mall and leave their cars there all the So I I think C3 it's a good fit.

And then the flip side of that someone could buy some of the I1s along the railroad track and then also park C2. I think storage yard should be conditional for C3, I1, and I2 because we don't know the range. It could also be four cars for 30 days at a time or 400 cars for 100 days at a time. Why do you have a better definition?

I almost feel like this needs to be divided up a little more because I feel like this is becoming a little bit too like we're having way too many ideas of what this could be. as like along in like the railroad track. I'd be fine if someone parked some back homes or you know a couple like heavy equipment things but like I don't know it'd be a little weird driving downtown be like oh there's 501 just kind of chilling you know so like I feel like we need to have like this divided out into like vehicle storage and heavy equipment storage and then if we divided that up I think that would be a much easier definition of We don't we're okay with someone buying the mall and parking putting on park wire fans and parking 100 F-150s as opposed to me driving downtown and seeing like 20 like back store or like right now

we think they're the same because it's a quantity that's a concern. Well, for me, the reason why I'm saying this is because like right now when we're thinking about what's going on with I7 and all the construction, when I think of that storage, I would be okay with heavy equipment being parked there for a temporary time as opposed to like like just vehicles or something being parked for an unknown amount of time because I mean those heavy equipment, you know, vehicles are going to be used more frequently. That's why I kind of well, we can look into different ways to slice and dice it.

Okay. 7:39. Okay. Was that motion? I surrender. Second. All in favor? Wow.