Town Commission - Regular Meeting

Sorry. All right. Good evening, everyone. Um, thanks for coming on this chilly night. uh like to call to order the town of Oakland commission meeting for November 10th, 2025. Everybody could please stand for the pledge or remain standing. All right, Kathy. Good evening.

Good evening. Commissioner Keller here. Commissioner McMullen present. Mayor Taylor here. Commissioner Ramos present. Okay. And uh Vice Mayor Satderfield's absent tonight.

All right. Um I want to start out a little bit on our uh presentations. I'm going to switch it up a little bit and do the proclamation for Veterans Day first. Whereas the town of Oakland honors the bravery and sacrifices of the men and women who have served in the United States Armed Forces and Veterans Day provides an opportunity for all citizens to express gratitude to those who have defended our freedoms and way of life. and the dedication and service of our veterans reflect the highest values of duty, courage, and selflessness, contributing to the security and prosperity of our nation. And the town of Oakland is proud to stand with our veterans, acknowledging the debt of gratitude we owe to those who have served. Now therefore, I Shane Taylor, by virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the town of Oakland, and on behalf of the entire town commission, do hereby proclaim November 11th, 2025 as Veterans Day in the town of Oakland and encourage all residents to join in recognizing the service of our veterans. So, if we have any veterans tonight, if you guys could please stand and be recognized, we'd really appreciate that. Thank you guys for everything. I'd like to invite up John Hammerstein who's um created this uh poem I guess on Banner's day. He wouldn't mind reading it. Very good. John.

Um, I I was privileged to work at Locky Martin years a lot. Anyway, I I wrote something. I made a bookmark out of it. See if I'd like to read it for you all tonight. Um says, "A soldier is someone who leaves their home a place that's familiar, safe, and predictable. A place where they can love and be loved, where they can be themselves. Soldier is willing to travel to a foreign land at the risk of being hated, injured, even killed to protect the ones he knows and loves and the many who do not know him. Soldier is someone who understands what it means to stand in the gap or a stranger. So the stranger will not have to endure. The soldier has to face. Soldier is one who is willing to pay the full price for another's freedom. Freedom to be home where they are safe, loved to be themselves. Thank a soldier. Praise Jesus. I have some of these here. Put them on the table over there. If anybody wants to take one and share it tomorrow, please do you, John. And again, thank you all you veterans that serve to uh protect and defend country. Uh, next moving on is uh, Chief Darren Een, one of our favorite police chiefs in town.

Um, without knocking it off. Thank you. Um, thank you for taking the time and allowing me to be here and recognize our third quarter award recipients. If I could have Corporal Sean Doer come on up. While he's walking up, I'll start reading and I'll read fast. I promise. after the clapping. Really?

Uh during the third quarter of 2025, Corporal Doer exemplified what an Oakland police officer is. What is that, you ask? Well, I'm going to tell you. Corporal Doer takes all calls for service to heart and sees them through as far as he can, attempting to get closure for victims of all crimes. An example of this is a fraud call in which he responded to. Instead of simply writing a report with basic detail and forwarding to somebody else for follow-up, Corporal Doer conducted follow-up interviews, looked for inconsistencies within the investigation and obtained surveillance video from a business, which enabled him to to determine that a crime had not been committed. This commitment and determination saved several hours of follow-up by an investigator and was able to clear a case for the agency. Additionally, Corporal Dojo remains active within the Oakland community, constantly stopping to speak with residents, visiting Oakland partners, and even finds time for an occasional traffic stop or two on Oakland Avenue. In his current role, Corporal Corporal Doer has made efforts to better himself by attending supervisory training as well as taking constructive criticism, understanding the intent is to better himself as well as provide the tools necessary to mentor and lead others. He also serves as the crisis intervention team commander uh coordinator, I'm sorry. For those reasons and many more, Corporal Shawn Doer is awarded the Oakland Police Department's Officer of the Quarter Award. Now, if I could have Kelly Sims and Stacy Quinn, please. They are being recognized with what's called the Chief Special Award. And you will hear why this award is is being given to them. Stacy Quinn and Kelly Sims take on many responsibilities which keeps the agency afloat. During the past three months, both Stacy and Kelly

became aware of the upcoming SEIUS technical audit which was last completed in 2022. This is not an easy task and requires agencies to verify compliance with policies from the Florida Crime Information Center, National Crime Information Center noncriminal justice uh user agreement and the FBI sees security policy. Tasks completed included, but were not limited to, ensuring proper personnel screening and security awareness training, maintaining record checks, establishing formal agreements with vendors and contractors to comply with Sieges standards, and regularly reviewing security logs and audits to ensure compliance with SEAg's policies. Completion of these tasks took several months of hard work and dedication while also remaining committed to the many tasks they complete on a day-to-day basis. Trust me when I say nothing fell behind as their other responsibilities involve social media for the agency and the town, Oakland partners coordination, payroll processing very important and so much more. Upon completion of the audit, all items within our responsibility were successfully completed. For the hard work, dedication, management of stress, mainly interacting with me on a daily basis and completing the sages audit. Stacy Quinn and Kelly Sims are awarded the Oakland Police Department's Chief Special Award. and that's all I have. Thank you for your time.

Got to be special to deal with you, Chief. Mayor, I just have a I just wanted to say I've said this a couple times and Kelly, you haven't been here, but thank you again for taking on the role of the town's social media. You've been doing an awesome job. And since you're actually here in person this time, I wanted to thank you in person for taking that. And Stacy, I know you you're a big asset to the the team as well. Dozer, on the other hand, no, I'm just kidding. No, I it's you always get a lot of great I get a lot of great feedback about you in the community and I appreciate that and I see you on social media. But Kelly, thank you so much for taking on that extra responsibility.

Right. Thank you. Thanks. And thanks to everyone on our police force. We really appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh, moving on to our consent agenda items and we have, uh, five items on here tonight. U approval of the, um, 102825 town commission regular meeting minutes. The approval to serve alcoholic beverages on Heritage Day 2026. Approval of roadway improvements at the intersection of Oakland Avenue and Daniel Street. Approval of amendment two to the state revolving fund loan agreement. And approval of the Bryley Avenue septic to sewer conversion work assignment number 19. Does anyone have any questions or comments? Hearing none, we'll entertain a motion. I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda as it stands.

Second the motion. All in favor? I I

Okay. All right. Uh, next on the item is the resolution 2025-13, the town of Oakland budget amendment for fiscal year 2425. And our finance director Gabby Leon will be up talk to us. Oh yes, absolutely you can. A resolution of the town commission of Oakland, Florida, adopting an amended budget for fiscal year 2024 2025 and providing for conflicts, severability, and an effective date. Hello. Okay. So, I'm Gabby. I'm the director of finance and tonight I'm going to do a quick presentation on the budget amendment. So the purpose of tonight's meeting is to present to the town commission and the town residents a summary of fiscal year 2025 general funds amendment. So the town maintains budgetary compliance at the fund level. So this means that individual departments might be over in their adopted budget but if the overall total for the town is over what we originally adopted then a budget amendment is going to be needed. So regardless of how much revenue we

brought in, if we spent too much, we have to amend it. Um, as you can see by the numbers here. So our original fiscal year 2025 general fund budget was 9,827,268. Our actual, so what we actually spent was 9,896850. That's a difference of 69,000. So this is a combination of over and under in different line items um due to operational costs, increases in personnel related expenses such as payroll um increases in cost of supplies and contracted services as well as timing um in departmental spending. So if we got an invoice too late and we couldn't acrue it and we had to assume it in fiscal year 25 that affects our overall number. So, and as for payroll, um that was due to our um compensation study that we had. So, it wasn't properly aligned in the budget. It was all lumped together in the HR when it should have been split amongst all of the departments. So, a lot of that had to just get kind of reworked into those departments. Um so, as I mentioned, it's across all the different departments and not just within one. Um, we took all those numbers including the extra revenue that we received and then we balanced the budget back out again. So, next slide. Here's a beautiful graph um of the revenue that we received. So, as you can see, 68% of the revenue was in taxes. Um this is made up of abilorum utility taxes from Duke and from natural gas vendors and other various sales tax. And then our second biggest um revenue source was in intergovernmental revenue

that made up about 13% and that's made up of different grants, some types of taxes mostly from the state and the county. And then the rest of it is charges for services, licenses and permits and then miscellaneous revenue. um a good portion of this additional revenue was taken into account for the amendment. And then um Kathy, if you can go to the next, I think. Yeah. So, you can see what our original revenue number was was 9.6. This doesn't include the $200,000 from reserves because this is only for the money that we brought in um not the money that we already had existing. So, we put in 9.64 revenues. We actually brought in 10.4. So that gave us a surplus of 855,000. We didn't take that full 855 to amend the budget. Um we only took about 400 and some change. And so we amended the budget to 10.1 and then left a difference of 381,000 in the revenue. That's going into reserves. Um these are the actuals for expenditures. um which I think we already talked about the difference for 9 69,000 and then we go to the next one. So this is just a breakdown. Um I know it's a little hard to read and it's a little confusing. It's just because there's a bunch of formulas in there and so some numbers have to be negative, some have to be positive. But we're just going to look at the middle column where it says favorable unfavorable budget variance. the very bottom where it says total, you see the 69,000. You can see how there's negatives and positives that get to that number. So, what we did is we went through each of those departments line

by line and we cleared everything once after we got the 69 out and what's left is a positive 200,000 which is the very last number on the last column. That gives us a cushion um for any acrruels for the end of the year. So, I'm working on our audit right now. I have to acrew payroll and I have to do like PTO and all of that stuff or old invoices for capital that I have to move around. That affects our bottom line, our bottom expenditures cuz I'm posting to those GL codes. So, that 200,000 will just make sure that we have a cushion in there and we're not back in the same boat that we're in where I'm going to have to do another budget amendment for my audit. So, it looks good. Whatever isn't used out of that 200,000 after the audit is done will just go into reserves. So, we may not even use that 200. It's just there kind of as a placeholder and all of it will just go back into reserves. So, um that's kind of all I have for the amendment. Um you have any questions about what was specifically amended or anything like that, let me know. It is a resolution, so I'm opening it up to the audience in case they have any comments or questions. and then I'll come back.

Okay. Any questions from the table? Okay. Anybody have any questions in the audience about the uh amended budget? No. Hey, good job, Gabby. Hold now for fold your fold your piece. Yeah. All right. So, this is a vote. So, anybody would like to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve resol resolution 2025-13 town of Oakland budget amendment for fiscal year 2425. Second. Second. Favor. I I I Okay. Thank you, Gabby. Okay. Bye.

Okay. Uh, next on the list is ordinance 20250. This is the second reading of ordinance for Bryley Farms phase 2. An ordinance of the town of Oakland, Florida, adopting a first amendment to the development agreement and preliminary subdivision plan for the Bryley Farm phase 2 plan development as recorded in the public records of Orange County, Florida, document number 20220374930, uncertain real property owned by Bryley Land Holdings LLC as more particularly described herein, making findings and providing for conflicts, severability, and for an effective date.

You Brad.

Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Again, Brad Cornelius with Wait, serving as your contracted town planner. And I also have with me this evening is Sarah Masterson. Um, so quick presentation for you. This is your second reading for the Bryley Farm phase 2 PD amendment. Um just real quick in just again to remind everybody on background here, Bryley Farm is is a multi-phase project. Um we have phase one which was approved um about two years ago. Um they're on the east side of the property and then phase two, which is what we're discussing this evening, they're on the west side. Um again what this amendment is for on for phase two is to reduce the number of lots from 111 to 87 lots. A reconfiguration of the lot arrangement and actually making the lots larger um within the project. Um and also to adopt design guidelines and architectural standards for this project. As we spoke before, the existing development agreement that the town has for this project, it references design guidelines and architectural standards, but they don't exist. So, this amendment would now actually adopt those and implement those design standards for this project. In terms of the highlights, again, it's the reduction to residential lots, the design guidelines. A couple important things so everybody's aware. Um, in the development agreement amendment, the developer has agreed to pay the town $85,000 for transportation improvements, and they still will be paying road impact fees as well. So, the town will receive an $85,000 payment that the town can use in any way they've needed for transportation. The good news is it's not limited by restrictions as if it was impact fees. You can use these however you deem needed for the town. Um again the tree mitigation they will provide

appropriate tree mitigation for trees that will be removed and also they will be making a payment of $193,333 towards the regional lift station and again they will be paying impact fees for that and I do apologize I have 199 on my slide but it is 193,000 in the development agreement in terms of the design standards. Um, again, I won't go into detail here, but just to remind you all again, what they're doing is setting up design standards for the different lots based on their location. Um, this is exactly what was previously approved by the town commission for phase one. So, this is mirroring exactly what you've already approved in phase one. So, you have the different lot types based on the location and that have their own standards and the potential lot layouts. lot G, lot H. And then in terms of the architecture, again, it's colonial revival, Florida vernacular and French farmhouse. And I will say one more time, this is exactly what you had already approved on phase one. So, this will continue that same development pattern into phase two and be consistent throughout the project, which will be a good thing for the town, I believe. Um, there's also standards for their outuildings, for their garages, and other things like that. Um, they also have these same restrictions on these outuildings as in phase one, meaning the if they do some kind of like accessory dwelling unit within them. They're not allowed to have full kitchens and they're not allowed to have anyone other than owners or their guests stay in there. That's actually part of their own HOA documents. Um, but we have it documented within this approval as well. So, and then finally is on the preliminary subdivision plan. Again, this is the layout for phase two. I don't have this one highlighted like I did at the first hearing, but thing I do want to point out again on the west side

of this project. Um, you see the large tracks is about 11 acres that will be dedicated to the town to be added to the Oakland Nature Preserve. And then also there'll be two other tracks um on the northeast side of the project and also on the south side of the project that will be town parks that will be dedicated to the town as well. that will be town parks. And what I'll also say is the one town park will allow a connection from within here into Oakland Nature Preserve in the future if the town desires to do that because it would go through the town's property. That that's a nice positive. And also the regional lift stations in that northeast corner. Um again, that tract would be dedicated to the town. Um, just as a reminder, you did consider this at your October 28th meeting um, for your first reading and there was no recommendations for conditions or changes as it was presented. And you did approve it as presented, which is the same as what's being presented tonight. And if you do approve it this evening, what the next steps would be for them would be to uh, go through the final engineering review um, with both the town as well as the water management district. Um and then once that is complete, then go through the final plat to get those lots and all those tracks platted um for this project. Um and again, your staff recommendation is that we do recommend approval of this as presented. Um we do find it compliant with your comprehensive plan and your land development code. And I'm here to answer any questions and the development team is also here as well if you have any questions of them. All right.

Thanks, Brad. Uh anyone on the table have any questions or comments? I like I stated previously, this is going to be something that we're going to be all very proud of. I think they did a great job. Thank you. What else? No. Okay. Uh we'll open it up to the audience if anybody has any comments or questions about this uh project. Okay. Hearing none, we'll close the uh public comment section and bring it back here and entertain a motion. Please. I'll make a motion to accept ordinance 2025-05. Second it. All in favor? I I

I Okay. All good. Thank you very much. All right. Next is ordinance 2025-06, the second reading of ordinance for the fourth street village. An ordinance of the town of Oakland, Florida, adopting a first amendment to the development agreement and preliminary subdivision plan for the Fourth Street Village Plan development as recorded in the public records of Orange County, Florida. Document number 2024339438 on certain real property owned by Oakland West50 LLC as more particularly described herein making findings and providing for conflicts severability and for an effective date.

Thank you. Thank you mayor. Again Brad of the way trim serving as your contractor town planner and again Sarah Madison is with me this evening as well. Um, as you stated, our next hearing is for the second amendment or I'm sorry, the first amendment to the Fourth Street Village um, plan development uh, for this project. Again, quick background on this. As you all recall, this project was approved by the town commission uh, in 2024 um, on this property here that's on the southeast corner of State Road 50 and Fourth Street. It's approximately 21 acres in size. Um the developer came in with a revised plan from what was previously approved and that's why we're here this evening for this amendment to the plan development. Um as you may recall when we had the first reading of this on October 28th uh the town commission had uh several conditions that they wanted the applicant to look at and come back with to you all this evening. Um those were consider the reorientation of the multif family building. um provide more architectural detailing for the buildings on State Road 50 inclusion of brick on commercial buildings the minimum put the condition about the minimum of 30,000 square ft of dark shell commercial construction before a certificate of occupancy of the multif family and also to re-evaluate access to the project. So what my presentation is is to address each of those and I know the applicant has a presentation where they'll expand on what I'm going to say. Um, so first related to the reorientation of the multif family, there was a a question or comment by the commission about potentially flipping it around having the back to four street. Um, what the applic street that also have landscaping on the outside and those those plans are

detailed in the information that they submitted for tonight's hearing. Uh, that will then provide the screening both visual and noise out to Four Street. And um as your staff, we do think that's an appropriate response to the concern that the commission raised um at the first hearing. In terms of the building elevations, they did make revisions to them at at your seats. Those are the most current revisions that were submitted to me on this past Friday. So, they were not in your agenda packet, but you have them um this evening. And that's what's in my presentation. And again, the applicant will give you more details about this, but what they did do is they did include brick accents on their commercial buildings, both internal and externally. Um, and they've also, I think, enhance the exterior of these buildings on State Road 50. Again, the these show the the the representation the developer provided. The yellow highlighted areas that you see are the brick accents that would be added to many of those commercial buildings um as part of this project uh throughout the project. This is showing some more of that. You can see where the brick accent would would be added. Um again, these are the updated um look and elevations of the buildings. Again, those these are in your packets at your desk today as well. and you can see um what they've done with it. These haven't changed too significantly other than adding the brick brick accents to them. Um this is a view of one of the buildings that would be fronting on 50. Again, there's more articulation in there. I think more architectural look and and I think it it does enhance the look of that base of the building onto State Road 50. Um again, more of what you see internal to the project. Um,

more of the design. This again is the multif family. Um, no change from what you saw last time. Still that same design with the exception of now there'll be that 8 foot screen wall there closing off that opening going out to Fourth Street. Um, this shows the area around the event area with the the small enter, you know, stage, entertainment area, whatever you want to call it, with the surrounding buildings that would have like cafes and small shops and things there. So, that shows that layout and that look. Again, more of the building design. Uh, more of the design. And again, on the top, you see more of what would be fronting on State Road 50. And you see there's more articulation it appears. And you know, I think it it looks better than what it did before. Um that's what before you this evening. Um again, some more of that out there on State Road 50. They're at the top of the screen. Go back and did that. See that? More of the buildings. Again, some more of the multif family. They gave us a lot of pictures. Um and this would be the back of the stage. um and also the front of the stage, the sides of the stage. So that's the building part of your your conditions you asked them to look at. The next condition is related to the minimum 30,000 square feet of commercial. That one we had a lot of back and forth with the the developer over the last week. And I apologize I was missing that page when I printed today because we didn't come to a final of that one until this morning. Um but this is one that we as staff as well as a developer we all agreed on. So the way the condition is proposed within what uh Miss Elise just provided you all is this condition

requires the completion of the dark shell construction of those three event buildings which is about 10,000 square ft in total. commercial building A and commercial building B which is about 8 and 12,000 square feet that gets you to the 30,000 square feet before certificate of occupancy is issued for the multif family buildings but we did allow for some flexibility but we are saying that there is some flexibility to substitute building commercial buildings CD or E which are the ones that are further to the east that basically the two that front on state road 50 than that other third building as long as there's still 30,000 square feet of dark shell construction completed. So basically what this condition says, you're still going to build out do the dark shell build out of the event center, but they can swap out building CD or E for A or B depending on the market and who comes to them. But ultimately, we want to assure there's 30,000 square feet of dark shell constructed before they get to CO for multif family. Also what's important under this one is and the developer acknowledges this that all the required parking the storm water all the um the landscaping all the site work for these projects would have to be completed as part of this development in the beginning as well anyhow prior to any co so there will not be like development constructed that won't have sufficient parking that they would need for that segment of development it would be done together um also So, so everyone is aware, what does dark shell building mean? It means that they're completing the exterior walls, the roof, the windows, and putting in the doors, but they're not completing the interior buildout of the building itself. So, from the outside, it'll look like a complete building. On

the inside, it still will need to be built out. If you want to know what an example of that looks like, that's actually what's happening right now at Oakland Exchange. Right now, they're just building the exterior shells. they'll be coming in after that with the interior buildout. So that would be the same kind of development pattern that's happening currently. I already talked about the site development part and also what this does allow for is some flexibility um with the approval of the town manager in terms of some small adjustments to this design. basically a 10% threshold which is a threshold you already have in your land development code for administrative approval of changes to projects or to to development that could be administratively approved. This would also provide the opportunity if there's small tweaks or changes to this um the town manager has the authority to approve it or on the other side not to approve it if it doesn't meet the the intent of the design and the purpose of this project. So there is the guard rails there um with that and also just to clarify that switch out of the buildings that we spoke about in the first part of this condition that also requires the approval of the town manager. So there there are oversight on that happening. So we we do have that guarantee of 30,000 square feet of commercial prior to a CO of multif family. Um in terms of the traffic and site access um we had a lot of discussion about this at the first hearing. What I want to point out is a new condition that is in the development agreement that addresses this concern of site access is we put in a monitoring requirement for traffic for this project. So, what's in the development agreement and the developer has agreed to this is that after they build fully build out that 30,000 square feet of commercial, so not just the shell, but

the full buildout and it's operating for a year because we want to give it time to start. We don't want to do the traffic count the day it opens, you know, we want to give it time to start. But within a year of that first buildout or after a year of that first 30,000 square foot buildout, they will do a traffic count and provide us updated traffic data for this project. Then we can evaluate against the traffic study that was done to make sure the traffic is falling within what's been projected. And quite honestly, we're hoping it's going to be less than what's projected ultimately for this project. The next stop in the development would be then after they finished the 190 unit multif family building and it's fully built out. It's operating for a year. They'll do another traffic count basically at their driveways showing where the traffic is being generated again for us as the town to evaluate it and make sure it's within the parameters that we approve this under for these access points. And then the last check would be at full buildout of the entire project. One year after full buildout, there would be one more check where they would take the traffic counts. We would check it against the traffic estimates that were provided to us in the analysis that said there was no need for other access improvements and assure that it's still in line with those previous approvals. So we have monitoring of this project that if they this project generates significantly more traffic than what is anticipated, we have an ability to have the developer come in and relook at this traffic, their access to their property and and make adjustments if it's needed. So, I think it's a good way for us as town to help, particularly for the folks there on 4th Avenue to the south to to make sure that what the developer saying, what we're saying is your staff is what happens and

it's not worse than what we think is going to happen. And if it is, we have an ability to address it within this condition on computer. So, in terms of the preliminary subdivision plan, again, this is what you saw last time because they didn't flip the building. There's really there's no change to this with the exception of it does show the 8-ft screen wall there in that open area of the multif family building. So, it's still the same square footage, approximately 73,500 square ft of commercial office and then the 190 multif family units. Um, so that's also part of this approval. Um, also just you know that this plan does still maintain from a year ago the condition the commission put on this project to keep the commercial on the north side of this project and push the multif family to the south side of the project by the turnpike. So it's still fully compliant with that. It's also compliant with the height with the four stories for the commercial being put, you know, to the back along the turnpike. Um the buildings on the front are showing basically one story there along the front. Um all the roads internal to this project would now be private. No longer there's no longer the requirement for them to dedicate that east west road through there. Um those would be a private road. But I will say if there's an opportunity in the future to extend that private road to the west of four street where this is lined up their private road it would make a connection to that new road that could go to the west. So it is set up for that to happen. That's a positive thing. Um utility services provided by the town. And for this one, we actually have an actual count of tree mitigation of 1,224 DBH of

diameter at base height of inches of trees. And so what they're they will be doing is when they come in with their final engineering plan, their final landscape plan will they'll determine how much of that will be replanted. Anything that they are short on on their replanting, they would then pay the town a mitigation fee for what's remaining um for the trees. for that. Um, if you do approve this this evening, um, again, similar to the other one, their next step would come through the final engineering plans with the town and with the water management district. And if they're going to do any platting, they would do the platting as well with the next steps for this. Um, and again, as your staff, we do recommend approval. We do find this compliant with your comprehensive plan and your land development code. And be happy to answer any questions. And again, the development team's here and I know they have a presentation for you as well. Thanks, Brad. Hey, real quick, Brad. Um I I think there was a question last time about um Fourth Street and the improvements of Fourth Street, widening of For there's a little bit of widening. You want to just address that real quick?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So, from their driveway to 50, they are going to widen I believe it's 24 feet and then their plans actually show a future dedication of another 30 feet if it would be needed in the future for that. So there will be improvements from their driveway 250. And also what I will say as as your planner, I think it's good to have this driveway where it is because it limits the ability of traffic to come further back into that neighborhood unless somebody gets lost and they want to go sightseeing or something. But but the main traffic will not go beyond that driveway. Thanks Brad. Thank you mayor. Okay. So anybody on the table have anything? We'll we'll ask the Oh, do you? I'd rather wait for the presentation myself too. You want to wait

the presentation? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's what I'm asking. Okay. Tara, how are you?

Good evening. Tara Tendro, Loun Law, 215 North Dorthola Drive, Orlando, Florida. That was a very detailed presentation, so I'm going to try not to reiterate everything that he said, but I want to make sure we we give you the details that you all requested last time. And click to the second slide, please. So these were the six criteria. We wanted to make sure that our actual designers and architects were here today if there were specific questions. So I just want them to come up and talk a little bit about what we did architecturally because I'm not sure the pictures always explain the depth of detail that that in consideration that went into the project.

Even guys, uh my name is Juan J. I'm part of the architects and designers for the project. I want to talk a little bit about the uh what we did on the back house of the uh the two large buildings facing uh Simon 50. Um uh we heard from the last uh hearing. You guys wanted a little bit more um alderations into materials and and a little bit more playfulness for the elevations. I mean mind keep in mind I mean this is back a house and I know it's difficult uh to address a building. I mean we talk about adding glazing on the back of house of the buildings. There's a lot of complications by adding glazing only because we have fire ratings that we need to respect. I mean and and and glazing when you add a glazing on the back house it shows uh either if if it's not spandro glass which is the fake glass. It it shows the the the the function of the back house of these spaces which is shelving uh electrical paneling. I mean the back of house of these guys they need uh the space for for a whole bunch of more reasons, right? Security was another one and uh and so on. And we designed these elevations based on going to movement architectural movements uh proportions. We definitely u section this uh long walls into peers and you have trees, we have shadows, you have massing. Um we're going to follow um the the rules in terms of signage and there's got to be a signage. So, we we haven't find any anything on on the regulations yet, but we'll keep looking and we're going to follow those as well for the back house signage this uh

storefronts at least the back house of the building. We're also adding up uh landscaping. We're playing with the landscaping based on the green corridor as well. And that pretty much uh uh talks about what we've been working on the back house on this buildings. Yeah. Any specific architectural questions we're happy to have. Sure. Um can you go back to the slide with the back house?

Yes. Is that pilaster on the first eight feet to the awning? Is that brick that you guys added? Because it doesn't indicate it, but it is. Yes, that that's that's the brick. Those are brick elements that we added to the elevations. Thank you. To the previous presentation. Thank you.

Um I just wanted to say respectfully um the fact that you call it back of house, which I understand is just a term, it's the entrance to our town, that corner. So, um, that's my concern with the that detailing along 50 is that it just it can't look back of house. So, we need, you know, I see a few changes here. I know we talked about signage. Um, I'm not sure exactly what our code says about signage, but I think that we just have to be very aware that although yes, it is back of the house and it is that because all of really the frontage of those and the the beautiful parts of that are all going to be facing inward, but that main street right there, especially that fourth street intersection at some point as we develop our town is going to be the entrance to our town. So that's why we're very critical about what's being done along 50 there and in that corner. So I think we need to make every attempt we can to make that aesthetically attractive and very unback of house looking.

Yeah, absolutely. And we are definitely with you guys. We're not I mean the fact that we call it back of house is because it is the service area of of the tenants. I mean it's not it's not dimminitive. We don't try to lay it down. Uh the fact that it every building needs a back house, right? Everybody needs a service door and everybody needs So to my opinion, I mean, I've done a lot of projects everywhere and to me, I mean, this is this is a very good-looking,

but there won't be service doors on the on there, will there? Will they really actually be coming into the back of those buildings from that frontage along 50? We have uh service doors because we need a second secondary access. Okay. Regressed access. Yes. I mean it's all it's all based on fire and the fire marshall is going to it's going to be very unhappy. So hard to see. I don't see are the doors under the awning. I don't see anything that looks like doors in the Okay. Every awning it exactly every awning. Every time you see an awning,

it's But I mean again I mean this these renderings are to show uh that we are thinking about screening those areas. We don't want to see door right with with no glazing for example. So I understand your concerns because it's also our concern. We want to make sure because this building faces inward, right? Right. That is our concern. I mean, normally retail 101, the front of the house needs to face the the most congested road, right?

But on but but on the on on the same token, I mean, we had to orient it inward. So, we're we're still working on the back house. I'm still thinking that this is for for what I've seen this is very very well done.

Well, what you just said even concerns me more screening like I I mean I don't what is our process Brad? Will they come back? I mean I know architectural review has reviewed this but I just want to make sure that again I understand I understand the term back of house. I understand what you're saying, but again, this is such a major thoroughfare and, you know, I think about, you know, buildings along like 1792 through Winter Park that um right on 1792, but their frontage, I mean, they face outward. I understand we have a little bit of a different situation. These buildings face inward, but we have definitely got to think about what this looks like aesthetically as people are driving through our town and what it looks like. So commissioner the way the process is is that they are going through concurrently the design review process. That's why they went through appearance review board coming to you. So if the town commission approves what they what they're presenting tonight without any other conditions tied to it that's what we would evaluate it against when they would come in for building permit. It would not come back to you. I'll say that. Now, what I say and the town attorney can help me here. You could condition that potentially if that's something that's very important to you as a commission to say the final absolutely final before they go to and that would come in at building permitting time. That's further down the road that they need to come back to you one last time before building and just to you all town commission, not through the full process.

Okay. I'll be honest. I don't I don't love it. I mean, I don't feel like we've really made a lot of change. I mean, I know that we've kind of, you know, looked at this before, but, you know, like we talked about with the signage, and again, I'm not sure what our code says for signage is making sure that things look consistent and and inviting. I want it to look inviting because I want the businesses that that are in there to also be successful, obviously, but I just want to make sure that we aesthetically have something that adds to our town and doesn't detract from it. and the project on a whole, like I said, I'm thrilled with the moving the oops, moving the multif family to the rear and things like that. I think we just have to find a a place

commission on the the amount of signage that could potentially be allowed there under your code is one square foot per one linear foot of building frontage. It's very large. So, we do not want them to do that. We don't want them what they're showing there would be more in line with what would be more appropriate. But your code has a very healthy signage allowance especially on 50. Juan, can you define screening as the commissioner asked? What what do you mean by screening more landscaping? Uh

the landscaping adds a lot of screening and the lighting also will be another factor. I mean I understand and that's what every what all the points that we're touching right now. Sorry. Uh uh it's also our concern. I mean keep in mind we want we want this building to be acceptable and and we all love it, right? I mean we want that that's our goal. But and then the lighting is going to be there as well. I mean it's not I mean what the fact that you're looking at a elevation flat like this is going to be the first time we're going to see it this way. Uh so keep in mind that you know there's going to be a lot more movement on the elevation based on the real life from from the real life to a drawing. I mean, the building is going to change drastically.

I'll tell you one thing, I've seen a lot of back of of house of of commercial, and this is one of the best looking ones. And with all that multiclatting with shades of pilasters and siding and stuckle and brick. First of all, you added the brick, which is our signature style. For those of you in the audience who weren't here during the time that Mike Satderfield and Joseph and everybody went up against racetrack, I mean, they waited nine years to get the approval to finally have what they have and they put that brick and it looks awesome. In my opinion, that brick that you guys added and those accents. Now, the signage, I mean, you guys put a solid color. I don't know if we can put that into our agreement to say, you know, all signs are black, whether it's, you know, Paneras, Nike, or whatever because that gives it consistency and it looks attractive than the multicolored that look almost like a I don't know. I don't want to even say that.

Mer, you could you could condition that if you felt that was we could do that because I like the the consistency of the color of this of those the signage and I know that you guys have done a lot already for this building. I mean, I think it's attract. I don't know how much more you can make the back look like the front unless you switch the buildings to the front. And some of the buildings are facing the front, not all of them. That's been our challenge. There's some that on the parking lot facing the front that the the back of house is towards the apartment towards the apartment. So, that middle section, those are facing front. The back house is facing the the multif family with the parking lot. Yes. There's a portion of it.

Well, there's a 3D right there with a, you know, landscaping and then if you put some nice lighting on the wall or paint up. I mean, I've I've seen back of houses and that looks pretty good. Mike,

any other mayor? Um, just a point, if you want to have anything, if you want it to come back to you um before actual construction, you need to put that in your motion and that can be put into the agreement. Um, and and I know that the attorney was indicating that she didn't think that we could control the color. And I and I I'm very familiar with the case law you're talking about. Um the it is so important to the town. If you'll notice the racetrack that is over here, it does not have the signature red line.

Um and that's why it took what nine years and and a lot of litigation which I was involved in and and we prevailed. Um, so anyway, you need to if you want that, you need to put it in the motion. Thank you.

And I just want to say I think that's a a challenge for tenants. I understand maybe the banding I've had that done a lot of gas station sites, too. And the banding around canopies has always been one of the big sticking points for local governments. Um, I think it will be difficult for us to get top tier tenants who have no control over their color. You know, I mean, it's like telling obviously a Target's not going here, but telling a Target they can't have a red sign would be very difficult for us to attract some of those great names that we want to come in. We're we're happy to comply in terms of the the signage, you know, code as we're showing it, but I think it would

I've seen it done and I can bring you examples of multiple shopping centers where they have a solid color. Maybe not Target because that's a big uh commercial box office, but the rest of them are not. I've seen the the multiple different, you know, stores that have one color based on their commercial

and and I yeah, I appreciate that. It would be, in my opinion, and our client's opinion, it'd be very difficult to have that be a condition for us. We would appreciate being able to have some flexibility with those tenants. you know, the sign package that you're showing, as you heard, is already substantially smaller than what otherwise could go on that type of linear frontage, and we would just appreciate that flexibility to be able to attract in some of those tenants, keeping in mind that there is an eye towards the aesthetic appeal of the overall project, too, to make sure. And then what you've seen here on the renderings too is is an assumed amount of breakup. We don't know what that tenant mix could be. We could have somebody come in that takes up a lot more space or you know what you see as that break up of space too could be exactly how it's shown. But these are these are estimates of what we think those tenant spaces could look like if we broke them out.

Would you go back to the elevation picture?

See those signs right there have a solid color. They look very attractive. That would be a good thing for us to drive by. I've seen that happen multiple times around Florida. So, uh, yeah, thanks. Um, I I just, in my opinion, I, you know, if you're trying to attract an Advent or an Orlando Health, they have their branding, um, on that. So, I think if you're trying to attract those type of tenants, they might come in and argue the fact that can we, you our sign up. Um, same with uh, you know, national chains like a a Jersey Mike or something uh, that would have that. I think I would be more inclined to regulate the amount of signage that would go on that backside versus saying, okay, if you're saying one square foot of signage per linear foot, one linear foot of building, I mean, it's pretty large and it maybe regulate, you know, if it's Advent Health, okay, you get, you know, three feet or or four feet in front behind your over your space or whatever. and those guys may come in and take up, you know, a whole building. You you just you never know. So, that's how I would approach it that way. Anyone did you have some more you wanted to talk about? Sorry.

No. Yeah. Any more questions on architecture and signage or anything? Okay. Thank you. The next I think we're one one more, please. Uh the next one oh was the reorientation. I think this one one more.

Okay. Yeah. Uh considering the uh reorientation of the multif family, we before we we show this to to you guys, we had a uh sun study and and we were playing with different options, right? Like any other design tasks. And um the right uh the way we're showing it right now for us works best only because of the pool. the pool and and the clubhouse orientation pretty much. It's it's we maximize the sun or the pool deck uh with this orientation. I mean it's it's all year long and pools here in Florida. I mean they're they're pretty much uh uh usable all year long. So, uh, the the about the noise, uh, true. Um, we added, um, and and we're willing to work out a a wall. It kind of screen that noise that landscaping can't. And we're also adding both landscaping on both sides of the wall because keep in mind, I mean, vegetation is is good to absorb that that that noise and and not let it bounce off of any any hard surfaces, right? So, so we thought about that too. We also because we adding a wall, we we also adding u firet track access because now it's a it's an enclosed area. So, we need to to keep the fire marshall happy and um pedestrian access as well. So, it now that we have that wall there, but it it's going to be all screened. So the wall, if the wall wasn't there and it was just landscaping, then you would you need the fire access as well?

Yes. What? Throughout. Yeah. So there was going to be a driveway a fire access drive if Yeah. If if even if it's not a driveway, we'll we'll screen it with some pavers and then that that'll be approved by uh it'll be the resistance for a firet truck access. That ends up being a decorative gate. Absolutely. Has a lock on it. Yeah. All that. Yes. I think when we talked the the the multif family was um gated, right? There was an arm. There was a way to get in and out, right?

Well, one of the main concerns that I brought it and thank you so much for the response and the consideration mostly for the residents across the street on four street. That was my consideration. That was my um concern for that noisy travel. And I'm I thank you very much for for addressing it and adding that W for the sound and that landscaping for the um sound rating. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Thanks. Almost done. I promise. Yeah.

So, I'm not going to read the whole developer condition that was shown, but that 30,000 ft of commercial, I think we have sufficiently written out a clarification condition that will guarantee we get that 30,000 square feet uh before a co for the multif family can be developed. And so, we put in all the square footages of every building to be sure that it will equal 30,000 and we're only counting the actual building areas themselves. The next change again um or the question was that to ensure adequate parking was provided for that first 30,000 square feet of commercial development. This was already in the underlying DA. So the underlying DA had a section 7H that provided in no case will a phase be developed that cannot along with previous phases stand alone as an independent project. Meaning when we bring in a plan for that first 30,000 square feet, it's going to have to show that we have sufficiently parked the 30,000 square feet on its own. And that's true for every subsequent phase. So if we bring another phase in, we have to show that there is enough parking now for that phase in addition to the phase that we already had approved on the plans. So the first DA took into account that phasing could occur that each of those has to stand on its own in terms of all of your development standards being met. Then on the last condition, so and you heard the discussion about the the traffic condition and how there's going to be a re-evaluation of access points. Um I've actually never seen a condition like this. Uh so this is I've never seen a post buildout condition where we come back and rerun traffic studies three times. So, this is about the highest level of assurance I've seen that, you know, we have a traffic study and then we're going to come back three times to make sure that nothing else is being warranted at that intersection, which I think is a a very high level of assurance being provided that hopefully mitigates some of those concerns about really what the impacts could look like because you're going to know about it in real time after we've already built out,

after those cars are already on the road. Um, and that's one year after full buildout. So, it's not like we're doing it the day after we grand open and have five cars coming out there. So, you're going to actually see some some real parking, you know, some real parking and some some real traffic coming out of there to understand and and again, that puts the onus on the developer and a potential significant financial onus on us that if we have to come back and make more mitigation or do more improvements that that is a requirement that's now part of the DDA. So, we understand that that's an obligation. your staff proposed the condition as written. Um, and so and we all agreed on the language ultimately. So that's the one that we put in there to hopefully address that final uh concern that was raised at the last hearing. So with that, there's any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Um, I would ask that if there is going to be any final conditions of approval um that are being added in in light of what we've already discussed. So, I don't know if we have to have anything other than the conditions as written in the DA as presented, but if there's something in addition to what's in the DA as presented tonight with those um text changes that staff had mentioned and that we just showed on the screen, if we would be able to just to make sure we we talk through them so that we're all of the same understanding.

Okay. Thanks. Any anyone want to you want to would you like to talk about the what you brought up with plan and stuff looking at the plan and the elevations prior to them in your Well, I have I have a question. Oh, yes. So,

um so with the 30,000 square feet and the potential that Okay. So, it's my understanding we're going to do y'all are going to do the event venue area first, right? And then we've now kind of said that you could do any of the remainder buildings to come up to that 30,000. So, um, let's just say for example, you get a large tenant that wants all of building E on the other side of that property. So will the all the parking, all of the space be built out, the whole, you know, basically development along the top there be built out with like the empty spots for the buildings. So that you know again you're if you if someone chooses to go to the far side and take that space and that becomes part of your 30,000 and all of that parking and all of that will be built out or will it just be the parking for that building that will be done?

So we would have to have well first we're building out the access off of 50 so that access and the entrance features and all of that would be developed out. We would then have to have parking, screening, landscaping, and everything for each of those standalone buildings. So, if it was the commercial building E, that would have us building out the frontage. Now, is is the question are we what's filling in the gaps along the way? Right. Can you put the uh site? Yeah. Yeah. The plans I think a couple slides down there. I think the screen of us is over there.

So we we'd also want like the access to four street that's a sign. So it's like we would have to do like say our connection over to street right out. Let's say if we had to have all of our access points that or is that I think Terra pointed out a couple slides ago each phase has to stand the site

right because like we had talked about you know the event space building A and building B but now we're opening it up that to saying that you can get to that 30,000 a couple of different ways right So I just want to make sure that we don't end up with, you know, it's not our desire either. Yeah, we want project.

It just sometimes our cl crystal ball gets a little like cloudy. like having just in case we need to go straight to building E. Let's do E and the event venue say while we're still raising the other buildings there's a condition held up right because you jump the E instead of Yeah. No, I understand that. No, and that's great. And I would honestly love to see you have larger tenants than a bunch of little tenants, which I'm sure you would probably like that too, but I just wanted clarification on that. So, thank you,

Mr. Kelly. What I can maybe add to is if it was because it would be the event center is the one thing that's not able to get switched out. So, really to be able to meet the parking requirements that probably need for the event center. I think by and large you would have that front parking on that north side built out to meet the need of the event center plus building E that situation. Okay, good. Okay. Anything else? Nope. I don't know if there was any other discussion, but thank you so much.

Thank you, T. Appreciate it. Anybody else before we open it up? Okay. So, it is a public hearing, so is anybody in the audience have any questions or comments? Yes, sir. Come on up and add with your name and address.

Kolicowski at 51 Vandermir Street. So, um my question to the commission is about uh number six. The um I find it curious that we're going to do a study after the project is complete and I would ask the commission what recourse you might have. Should those studies show some additional traffic mitigation is required. If the project is complete and up and running, what what uh how will the commission compel the developer to implement whatever additional changes are required? Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, just to begin, there there has already been a traffic study done for this project that documented the potential impact. And based on that traffic study that was done last year with was for a larger project than what you have before you this evening. And I think you may recall at the first hearing, it's 40% less traffic than what was originally projected. you know the that study showed there was no triggering of any of improvements based on this project. What this condition does now is as this project goes along if the actual traffic being generated is more than what was projected in the traffic study that was done to support this project. Then we the developer would have to evaluate the access and if there were some improvements needed to be made the development agreement would require them to make that access to their project or their project. So we have the ability if that happens. Now if the traffic um assessment during the life of the project comes back and shows it's the same or less then there's no change to what was already approved. that there's no additional requirements there. Um, as the mayor said though, they are already though committing to making the improvements to Four Street from the driveway to 50 and also potential for a future 30-foot de uh rightaway dedication on Four Street. Um, so it is a pretty standard way. U Terra kind of made me feel old there. Um because uh this is actually pretty typical way like in the old development of regional impacts DRIs which actually probably in the old days this would be one um traffic monitoring throughout the life of a project is typical because

honestly when we do the traffic studies it's based on the Institute of Traffic Engineers projection of traffic. It's not real numbers. It's projections. It's estimates. So what we want to know is what's the real impact that's happening and that's why we have that monitoring as the project moves forward. But there is the ability for the town to relook at that if the traffic counts come back and say oh wait a minute we said there was going to be 200 trips in the peak hour now there's 800 trips in the peak hour we got to reassess this. Is that traffic study based off of or where you guys make the analysis from Fourth Street and as well as Colonial Drive?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. The traffic engineer is here that did the study. If you'd like to uh she could add more to that, please. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I I I wasn't really questioning the traffic study and I'm I would like just

get get in line, please. you you you can join me. Um I'm not questioning the traffic study. I'm just questioning I find it really curious that after a year after the project is complete, the developer is going to come and presumably the developer agreement is complete and finished that a developer would come back and say, "Oh yeah, I'm just going to be great and do something else." I mean, why why would a developer do that? Well, if the that's part of the develop that's why there's a developer agreement. I mean, it's not done and complete. If the year study hasn't been done, then the agreement isn't done and complete.

But the but the buildings are up, the cos are granted, everybody's everybody the tenants are in. what is left in the developer agreement to

so if I read this developers agreement and all this got just added maybe Friday or or the weekend it says if based on um if based on the reporting any transportation improvements are warranted the developer shall only be responsible for such transportation improvements that are feasible to be constructed within the existing rightway at the time of evaluation if the reporting determines that signal retiming at the intersection of fourth and 50 would correct any deficiency ies from the project developer shall notify the town at FDOT. Um and no additional improvements will would be acquired required.

DOT would have to sit there and go the timing on this light. It has to be changed. Easy easy. Right. So I'm just thinking I don't see the point of of this at all. I don't see that it really addresses anything develop. It's to the benefit of the town. So, and that that's just my comment. It's to to you all. Um, how how will you compel a developer to come back a year after a project is completed to do something? a question to you and and that's

if there is an issue that we would um you know the developers would be responsible for for handling that as far as contacting the town and DOT. I know that we've done that if Mike Parker can attest to this at uh Cub Street and 50 with the influx of traffic that came in from Oakland Park. We extended that timing uh as well on that light so people can make that lefthand turn uh getting out on on 50 uh as well. So um yeah, so that's what we kind of put in there. And mayor just out maybe on on the enforcement side. The enforcement part is not in this amendment of the development agreement because the enforcement side for this development agreement is in the original development agreement that's still in effect except for as it's being changed here. So say we got to that point and they're not being good actors and not doing what they're said they're required to do by the development agreement. There is a process and procedure in the development agreement about disputes and nonp performance that we would then bring in our wonderful town attorney to help us through the enforcement process if that were to occur. So there is an enforcement section of the devel of the development order or development agreement that would go into effect if they did not meet that requirement.

If we didn't um have that study done a year later, we wouldn't know that the traffic was off skew or not. And if it was, then is there due diligence to go with FDOT and make adjustments with a turning lane or the light like the mayor had said? We have that as uh belts and suspenders for ourselves for our town. If we don't have it, then we don't know what's going to happen later. We don't know. Right. Right. Yes, sir. Did you want Myra to come up and Oh,

um just possibly there's a misunderstanding. the development agreement for all practical purposes um is the zoning for the property and they're required to comply with it going forward. So even after all the construction is done they are stuck with this they can't violate it. Um they would actually there would be code enforcement processes that would be gone through. So if if you thought that this only related to the actual construction, that is not what it all does. It continues on and there are enforcement processes that would would happen because these are going to be these aren't condominiums that are being sold. These are leased properties. So there will always be a developer that's actively whether it's this particular developer or whether it's a subsequent developer the development agreement will be reported and it's it's essentially um it will be effective going forward. So it it is enforcable. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, be more specific, Ed. Next time, did you guys want to talk? Do you want Myer to come up and talk a little bit about You might as well. You're here tonight.

Yeah.

Great. I was going to say that that when you base the traffic study on this in your in your report and I I perused through it. um it's based on this particular project and and you're so you're you're basically trying to foretell the future of what could happen here with the amount of residential, the amount of commercial and what trips would come out for street or 50 or whatever. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I'll tell you why I like this one year year after thing. And Brad and I again were laughing about this when we were talking about it because it's old school stuff, right? And and old school developers, you kind of know how how that works. No me, not you. Me. Um and and it's because it's a you're able to help yourself out in the future. So when somebody starts developing to the west and it's going to happen to the west, you have some information that you could use and say, "Hey, this is what's happening." So when you do the next traffic study or whoever does the next traffic study, you have that backup and that data to to uh to to to help. Historical data helps out a lot. And I think that developer needs to get on the call with FDOT right now because it will take him that long just to get the light changed around. Thank you. Great.

Thank you for the explanation.

Okay. Uh yeah, John, you want to You guys go to that slide, please. Okay, we got to have everybody on a microphone. I'm sorry. I I think it's for promoting that particular business. So, if I had a business that was the back the front of my business was facing the south when people come into Fourth Street and let's say I was um insurance salesman, State Farm or something like that. I'd want people to know that when they're driving down 50 and it's and it needs to be a modest sign. It can't be a huge sign. It takes up the entire side of the wall. And I and I think that's what we need to kind of look at when plans come in. And I think that adding that to the agreement before they go to permitting. But uh I think John, just to answer your question, I think for me as a business owner, it would be beneficial and benefit my business to to to have that sign out there. The town does want commercial business. Yeah. you a agreed and I think that what you don't

want and that's why I was that was the um comment I made about I think if you had like an advent or health or a state farm those branding colors kind of stop people and they know that oh there's there's my state farm agent or there's whatever. Um I think what we don't want and if you looked at the first rendering it was like just littered with signs and it looked

like a NASCAR. it looked terrible. But I think if we tastefully do that and put them up there where um you know Orlando Health has its logo, Advent Health has its logo that they use. Same with State Farm. I don't believe it needs to be plastered where if it's a a suite that's next to each other you have State Farm, then right next to it you have ice cream place or next to that you have Jersey Mike or next to that. You know, it doesn't need to be a continuous strip of signs. Um, I think it just needs to be very tastefully done and and for me, I wouldn't be opposed to saying, "Hey, can you kind of show us your signage plan for you? Correct. Great. Great. Thanks.

And I wanted to kind of go back to signage again. Um because I brought it up last time and I don't I don't know if it's even an option about you know like instead of having it across all the back of the buildings because again we don't know how many it's going to be and we don't want to you know inhibit the opportunities for the developer or for the town to have the businesses. I totally agree with you John on that point. Um, I just also I do want it to be aesthetically appleasing, but I had brought up the notion of a monument or as you know, something where it's just not as like a strip down the sides of all those buildings. And um, if there's a way to do because I know there's, you know, there's other places that like I think 1793 Winter Park, they're only allowed certain height of signs and things like that. something like that, you know, along the front. You know, I'd even be less opposed to a couple of monuments, you know, even one in front of each building or something that then could have their logo in a smaller scale that I think would be less obtrusive than, you know, kind of and again, we don't know. It's all, you know, projection at this point because we don't know. But, um, I agree. I think that it we need to either look at another signage option or I would like I I like the idea of a monument. I don't know if that's something that the other commissioners

Can you guys put the other slide with the monument on it? So or um but I I agree with there may have to be some condition regarding signage for moving. Commissioner Keller, you looking at that monument there? That's what you mean by one maybe per building? one in front of each building with the with the tenants of that building. You know, they have that's, you know, low but visible at at as as you're driving by street level. Um, their color, their logo,

their colors, their logos all on a sign that is um, excuse me. Like I said, there could be one for each building. just something that would be there because it looks like there's room possibly in there in front of the buildings to maybe put one in front of each building, but just something as opposed to all the signage the back of the the buildings. You'll already have signs in the front of the building as you walk into the front door of the business. Well, but again, they got to be I agree. They've got to be able to see who's in there from 50 because they've got to I mean it's going to be a key selling feature and point to the the tenants that take those spaces.

Monuments. Oh,

but I would Yeah, I would prefer monuments over the signage all over the back of the buildings if that's an option. Well, and I'm not saying I'm saying, you know, street like vehicle level, you know, I mean, it doesn't have to, you know, and again, depend again depending upon how many tenants are in the building. If it's one block, there could be, you know, there's could be room for multiple. And if there's one tenant, they could have the whole monument. Yeah. Okay.

That is the key. We want them. We want those businesses to be successful so they can stay here, not abandon buildings.

We want that too. And we want that too, All right. And mayor, I can't confirm on their plan. Um, there is a notation, a note on there that does explicitly say all signage shall be done in compliance with the town's sign code. So, we do have that already on the plan showing that, as Tara just mentioned, whatever they'll come in with will have to meet all those standards. Do we want to go back to what?

Yeah, I wanted to know what you said like how we because I I I think we may need to have something more as a have it come back for a review before it's approved. I think that that's something we need to to consider. like that. Sorry. Okay. Anyone else have any comments out in the audience? Okay. Hearing none, we'll close the public comment uh and bring it back to the table and um discuss and make a motion or amendments or whatever you want to do.

I still think we need to have some kind of my personal belief. So, you know, I mean, I don't know if the the drawings really show the scale of the signage or those they're just renderings, so they don't really show the scale to our code. Brad would I mean, no, I I yeah, I would not say they would be compliant because we don't have enough information about the signage

be able to say that at this point. And my concern is approving, you know, approving things as I mean, I understand that they're saying that they will comply within our codes, but you know, we can't visually see what that's going to look like and we don't know what it's going to be like down the road. And I'm not comfortable with just approving something and hoping that it works out. But I think also you have a code in place to protect us already that says signage can only be x amount of square feet of copy area on a space and if a space is 2,000 square feet and the wall frontage on that is you know 30 feet. So they only get 30 square feet of copy area which is not a lot. Is that what it is?

It's one linear feet of if it's one linear feet, one square foot linear.

Actually, I was I was double check on myself here. It's it's actually one and a half for each primary building frontage. So, there's a large, but as as Terara said, that's the maximum, but then there's the other conditions for signage that bring that down. Proportionality, the com consistency with the overall design of the building and those kinds of things. So even though potentially there could be a monster sign based on one and a half, that would never be real because of the other limitations that we as your staff have to assure when we review it. And the young lady that would be doing most of the review is sitting right here behind me. And I will tell you that Sarah is very diligent in your code and making sure it's compliant. So I I know what I'm saying is trust us. That's always terrible to say when I work for government. Um but but ultimately, you know, it is our job to make sure that we enforce your code properly. We also work very closely with your town manager um on issues if they become difficult or controversial. We we have the conversations with your town manager. So, I I I do believe we can have a good signage plan without it having to come back to you. But I will also say it's your prerogative as town commission. If that's what you want, make that a condition. But but you I do want to say you can trust us that we will implement your

based on your design that you guys put in the back of house. I don't think there's enough room to put a big, you know, eyesore sign anyways. the way the designs uh made in the back with the pilasters and the brick and the inserted uh lighting. I don't even think there's enough room there based on the different elevations of the of the wall that go in and out, jogging in and out for you to put, you know, an eyesore of a sign. I mean, I'm fine with the way it is right now and I trust the staff and I trust that they were going to do the right thing for the tenants that come forward and it's in by the code that we have it already so they're not violating or pushing beyond it. So,

well, understanding that there's other constraints to I think help to narrow that down to making sure that it's all in compliance. So, I appreciate that clarification. Thank you. Anyone else? No. No. Okay. So, nothing else. Let's have a motion, please. I'll make a motion to accept ordinance 2025-06. Second, anybody? A second. Are you all in favor? I I

Good job. Thank you. Get a bill. All right. So, uh, we'll let you guys leave and then we'll continue. Half the room. All right. Thank you guys. Okay. Okay. So, moving on to uh the public forum and I think uh Jill, you may have something to promote and keep promoting. Jesus.

They can come anytime they want. Wow. I got you. Thank you. Oh, suggestion route. Oh, alternative routes. Oh. Oh, do they get prizes? They get prizes at Winter Garden. Thank you, Joe. Oh, sorry, Joe. Uh, what was the times again? Can you go? Okay. So, then uh just everybody shows up at 5 and about 5:30 you'll head out. Yeah. Oh, I like that idea. Thank you. Hey, John, you got something, John? No. Anyone else? Any other comments from anybody else? If not, we'll uh close the uh public hearing and we'll move on to the uh town manager reports.

That was fun. Um I think I'm going to keep it really brief. We have an HR manager. I sent you information on her. She's starting on November 24th and then we just made an offer for public works admin assistant. So, she's doing her background screening and hopefully all that comes back and um she can be on board pretty soon. And then Andrew, we just have utility billing clerk left and then we will be back up full. So, that's kind of where we're at with with all of our town positions. Um and then I just want to cover a couple events. So, starting November 15th, the Oakland Camera Club is helping with it's called the Sky Remembers Exhibit over at the Arts and Heritage Center. I stopped by today. The art's not hung, but it's beautiful. Um, I'm super excited for that exhibit. That'll run through January 9th. And then a week later, November 22nd, um, will be the start, it's 5K with the 50, but it's also the start of the Trees of the Season exhibit. and that'll run through January 3rd. And then Santa's Lane will be December 6th from 3 to 6. Um, and just a reminder on farmers markets, we have one this Thursday, but on Thanksgiving week it will revert to the Tuesday. So, it'll be the 13th and the 25th this month. That's all I have. Um, um, you want to do an introduction to Garrett real quick? Okay. Well, Garrett Olsen is a superior lawyer and he is he's been with our firm for

almost five years. Oh, okay. Five years. And he is really knowledgeable about local government law. And as I think y'all know, our firm only does local government law. And we we're city attorney or town attorney or village attorney for 15 municipalities now. So, um, yeah, Garrett's, you're lucky to have him. He's fantastic. And, uh, so there won't be two lawyers sitting here in the future. Will be Garrett. Okay. Thank you, Garrett.

And, mayor, it's very nice to meet you and all the commissioners, uh, and all staff earlier today. I drove around town earlier before the meeting. You guys have a wonderful community. I look forward to working with all of you and with staff today. Thank you. Welcome aboard. Ty, nothing. It's like put you on the spot. Andrew, Sarah, Gabby, Abby, you were going to come up with something today. I literally came up with a presentation for you. I worked on it all day. Brad, you got anything new? All right, Mike Parker.

Yes, sir. Let me uh let me just say that the Christmas tree will be uh erected this week out in the town fountain area. Uh Wednesday or Thursday of this week. Okay. Right. That's it. Thank you, Mike. Chief, November 22nd is the 5K with the 50 and it's only the third year we've done it and it is actually sold out this year. Oh, nice.

That's very impressive. Going to raise some good funds for the community. 150 have registered. Anybody else can still register. They just won't get a medal. They'll get the shirt. We just couldn't purchase any more medals. Uh but that's super exciting. Now, in regards to the golf cart parade, I will volunteer. We we received our new federally funded side by side. Has been upfitted with lights, sirens. It is a fantastic resource that we have now. Uh it's parked at the police department. I was going to bring it today, but quite honestly, it's too cold. Uh, but I would like to volunteer the side by side to lead the parade. I won't be driving it because I'll be out of the country, but we uh we have training. Another agency is going to come here and train people that are interested in learning how to operate it so we can safely operate it. And then u once we have a couple people trained up, there's some that will volunteer to drive it for the golf cart parade. As for this first page, this map, I'm going to say yes. Other than that, I have nothing else. Thank you, Chief. Okay. Commissioner Keller,

I have nothing. Mike, is there any plans for decorating the acorn on the roundabout? Not at this point. There could be. I like the sound of that. Thank you. We we just for the record, we don't have electricity out there. So that that might be an issue. Yeah. Solar solar powered or something battery powered. Maybe we can pre-an pre-plan for next year.

We we put in conduit for future electric. We just don't have electric. Thank you. Yes.

Uh yeah. So I was at the Metrop Plan Orlando last week, November 6, representing our town and talked to Miss Taylor Laurent. I'm sure you know who she is, Mike, because she mentioned you and she's actually one of our residents here. And we spoke about the sidewalks on Oakland Avenue and if we can get FDOT or Metro Plan to fund them. And they mentioned that um in 3 weeks the federal the applications are going to be open for 2026 to get the federal grant applied through Metrop Plan so we can get that funded or get in line for it. and there's a strong possibility that we will be one of the ones picked as we've been ignored for so many years already. I've been, you know, asking like a broken faucet. And she says, "We know. Just tell Mike Parker to get uh the application going so we can get you guys in the front of the line for sidewalks on Oakland Avenue that go to the school."

Okay. No, it sounds very good. Thank you. No, nothing. All right. Yeah. The only thing I had was um to celebrate uh you know I'd like to do the employment anniversaries and we have 10 years uh for Denise burnt from the uh Oakland Nature Preserve. So congratulations for being there for 10 years and then everyone talked about what I had with 5K and other than that Joseph all hearts and minds are satisfied. Let's adjourn. It is now 8:50 p.m. Stay warm. Yes. Happy dance.