Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I met with the American people.

And my age came up and I said, and I said to John, you should have said you don't look a day over 39. So here's this thank you note. P.S. And you don't look a day over 39. I love somebody that will.

Behind you is your problem. Thank you.

Yes chairperson Torgo vice chairperson Brown Commissioner Eiselman Mr. McClellan yes here Commissioner T catch here here We have a Light is on, but you don't need me.

We have a quorum. Going over the minutes from the last planning commission meeting.

Before the minutes, the approval of agenda.

May I have approval of the agenda?

And we would like to recommend to move the master plan update presentation after the site plan review.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. We'll do that.

Thank you.

may i say excuse me for being late i was quite at the traffic light that was interesting All right, we did the call to order. We had number two, the roll call. We did the approval of the agenda. Now the approval of number four, approval of the minutes.

So moved. Second.

All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Moving on to item five, communication. Planning Commission meeting minutes. We did that. Communication and correspondence. Do we have anything?

Yeah, so the first one is administrative review for Forget and Harvest for RV shelter at 1500 West 8 Mile Road. So Forget and Harvest has received administrative approval for the RV shelter constructed at the northeast rear side of the building. The shelter provides weather protection for the truck bay and entrance door. The structure is 25 feet wide by 51 feet long and 14 feet high. The approval is subject to the seven conditions outlined in the approval letter.

Very good. You need nothing from us since it's an approval on your part.

The communications B is out dining for this villa, 13631 West 11 Mile Road. So this villa has received approval to add an outdoor dining area. This villa is a bike shop and cafe that received administrative approval back on November 17 of last year. The business recently opened and would like to expand their services to include outdoor dining. The outdoor dining hours are consistent with the business approved hours of operation, which are 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. daily. The outdoor dining approval is subject to the three conditions as outlined in the approval letter. Thank you.

And that has been approved?

Yes.

You need nothing from us.

Mr.

Chair. Yes.

Can I ask a couple of questions? Please. Okay. So I want to, first of all, just say how much, how awesome this project is. This is the exact kind of thing, you know, when we set out with our 11 miles social district, we wanted, but I do have some questions about the, This is a bike shop?

Yeah, I was going to ask that question.

Yes. So it's a bike shop and a cafe at the same time. So it's a retail shop, repair shop, and they have a special room that you can test the bike that fits you. And it's like, yeah, they use AI to see how The best bike can fit you. It's an exciting. That's double awesome. Yes. Okay.

Just one last question. So as far as the cafe, outdoor cafe portion, correct me if I'm wrong, but it'll be basically an extension of the cafe that's indoors. And what kind of items will that be?

So it's like they are providing coffee, cakes, pastries. That's the type of items for now they are providing. They would like in the future to include alcoholic beverages, but that's like in the near future. Sure. Yeah.

Thank you.

I have a quick question.

Go ahead.

And it's in the back of the, it's not on in the front of the shop, correct?

It's on the front. It's in the front? Yes. Yes. Okay.

So is it a retail? You're saying there's AI and they fit you with a bike. Are the bikes available?

Yeah, so there is a retail portion of the business and there is a repair portion and there is a fitting room that it can fit. What's the best bike that can fit you?

Yeah, they fit you in that room for the best bike for you. And they use technology in order to fit the bike and then order it.

So you have to order it. They don't have them in stock.

They do have stuff items in stock, but the more sophisticated bike rider wants it fitted.

Mr. Chair.

Yes, Madam Mayor.

I went there. It is adorable, and the people are so friendly. As you walk in, the left side is the bike shop with the very friendly repair guy. And the right side is four little tables. and espresso, Americano, jasmine tea, cheesecake tart, egg and cheese biscuit, Paris breast pastry, vegetable quiche. Little financiers are little muffins that the Wall Street guys used to eat because they didn't make crumbs on their suits. That's why it's called financiers. I learned berries, bananas, hot chocolate, cappuccino, lattes. I happen to have taken a picture of the menu. And of the two very friendly, very competent people who are running it, it's like every economic development director's dream.

Mr. Chair. Thank you. Can I ask another question?

Just before you ask that question, are you recommending it, Madam Mayor?

I highly recommend welcoming this wonderful addition to the Oak Park family of businesses and allowing them to have outdoor dining. They also, on the way in, I took pictures of their beautifully planted flower pots. I don't know if you noticed, but I'm a thing with landscaping. Who knew? Yes, you are.

Right.

Yes.

Yes, sir. Okay. I actually have a question I lied one more question about this particular project But I also wanted to ask a question about the forgotten harvest shelter project, too It looks to me actually two questions about this project now. It looks to me like it's just basically one a parking spot that's being occupied by the outdoor dining area yes okay so it's not it's not very large yeah my other question was just um how many of these are there out there it seems pretty unique

Yeah, we're not familiar with any in the area they actually traveled all over the world to Create their model to do in the US here.

So what a great compliment project to our district Like I said, then my other question is regarding the Forgotten harvest project. So this is an RV shelter

Yeah, it's like for their truck bay. So for like the trucks, the delivery trucks. So it's for them to like deliver their stuff. They wanted it protected from the weather. Oh, I see. It's not for an actual RV though. No, not RV. OK, because I saw that and I thought, OK. Yes, it's for the delivery trucks.

That's a long trip with the.

That is the name of the shelter. The cover is an RV shelter. RV shelter. OK, thank you.

There's room to unload, it looks like.

Yes. So the truck is back in and doesn't get the weather on it. Any other questions? Any other comments. So where did you want to move the presentation here.

The master plan update presentation to move it after the site plan review.

Okay, very good.

So now it's site plan review.

All right, matters for, master plan update presentation. We're going to wait to move that.

Yes, and now new business site plan review.

Okay, let's do new business site plan review. Thank you. Take us through it, please.

Yeah, so before you tonight is a site plan review for a speakeasy style distillery, winery, and brewery that would serve as an off-site tasting room for copper hub brewing. The project is proposed at the vacant former Circo facility located within the Water Tower social district between Gardner Road and Tyler Road. The building is approximately 4,100 square feet and contains two suites. The applicant is proposing to renovate the rear suite of the building, which is approximately 1,800 square feet. The proposed layout includes a primary bar area, built-in booth seating, private lounge area and small-scale on-site final production for microbrewery products. Overall, the use will operate like a bar or lounge. The operated hours of operation are from 4 p.m. to 12 a.m., on Fridays and Saturdays, and 5 p.m. to 11 p.m. on Wednesdays and Thursdays, which are consistent with the zoning ordinance. The use involving on-premises alcohol beverages sales are permitted in the MX-1 district by conditional land use, which is subject to the regulation of Section 544 . As outlined in the staff report, the proposed project meets the conditional land use standards for on-premises alcoholic beverages as well as the site development standard of the MX-1 district. We recommend approval of the site plan review for PR speakeasy subject to the nine conditions outlined in the staff report we have Jeremy and Sean are available this evening to answer any questions you may have yes yes would you approach and give us your name address okay the mayor was concerned about poking the green button

Good evening, Planning Commission. My name is Sean Koltuniak, and this is my partner, Jeremy Lewis. We're here speaking about our proposed project at 14441 West 11 Mile. Tonight, we're here to seek your approval. We'd like to tell you about us as a business and then about the new project that we're asking your approval on.

Would you first do me a favor?

Sure.

Say your last name again.

I'll try. It took me to about fifth grade, but it's Koltuniak.

Excellent. Didn't that sound wonderful? More culture to Oak Park.

Thank you, sir.

Okay, go ahead.

So we currently own and operate Copper Hop Brewing Company in St. Clair Shores. We've been open for seven years. We operate a approximately 5,000 square foot brewery and tasting room with a 4,000 square foot event facility attached to it. And Commissioner McClellan will be happy to know we have a 1,400 square foot outdoor area with beautiful landscaping. We've been open for seven years. We have approximately 15 employees. Almost all of them have been with us for the full seven years. We were part of the revitalization of downtown St. Clair Shores, which now has about 15 events a year, and our own social districts. We've supported the community, the police, the fire, the local schools through this. And I don't know, what am I missing, Jeremy?

I think you covered it pretty well. Yeah, we get very involved with the local community in St. Clair Shores. And, you know, it's given us the opportunity to look other places. And that leads us to this project at 14441 West 11 Mile. We're looking to open 1,800 square foot. It's considered an off-site tasting room, but it's going to be a speakeasy. Not a lot of social media marketing. It's going to be very... reservation only guests are going to be limited to about 90 minutes it should hold 40 to 50 people and the reason we're doing the 90 minutes is so we can move more traffic through allowing people to experience more of the water tower social district we're not going to offer food we're going to be a place people go before after dinner maybe in the middle we will have live music or some sort of DJ to set the mood in the building. And we are trying to do something that Metro Detroit hasn't seen. Our design is going to be a 40s art deco, cove ceiling, like a barrel ceiling. We have some pictures, I believe. Because speakeas are pretty popular now. So what'll set us apart and make this a destination for people in Metro Detroit is the look, the ambiance, the music, and then hopefully draws people to the area to spend money in the water tower district. So that's our plan right there. These are AI renderings, but we have a very good construction contractor And that'll be the private lounge, which won't necessarily be booked out for parties, but will be for people waiting for the reservation or just finishing up the reservation so we can continue to move people through and bring them to the area. But like I said, we want to do something that Metro Detroit hasn't seen. And that's one thing that we took pride in in our brewery in St. Clair Shores is it looks... much different than most breweries that you go to the finishes everything is very nice and we want to look like a million bucks on a $300,000 budget.

So Mister chair. In the order of the mayor wanted the first.

What is the speakeasy compared to a bar.

So speakeasy is we're not going to I guess what makes the speakeasy is it's not going to have a lot of marketing a lot of a lot of marketing we're not going to it's going to be you have to know that is there to get in there. It's going to be reservations only. There's going to be a website. A great example of it is the travel agency out in Shelby Township, I believe, Macomb Township. They have business cards. If you happen to know someone with a business card that has the reservation phone number on there, you can make a reservation and go there. And it sounds crazy for a business not to advertise, but the exclusivity makes people want to come to the area.

So that speakeasy has actually made people take their social media posts down because they don't want to advertise. And the only way to get in is you have to text a number with, so the outside of it looks just like a travel agency, a small waiting room, but the door's locked. You have to text how many people are wanting to travel and what date, and then they'll respond back with a destination. Buzz the door. They'll ask you the destination. You go in. They confirm your reservations. They'll take you into a small waiting room where somebody will open a little window and say, what's your destination? And you'll tell them. And they'll close it. And they'll open the door. It's an experience more than just going to a bar for a drink.

That is a speakeasy. Ours is going to be, we have a big garage door on the side of our building. So it's going to be an old time mechanic shop. So you're going to walk in and it's going to feel very stale and waiting room area. And there'll be a pop machine or a vending machine of some sort that you press a pop button, pops open, and then you walk into the pictures you saw. So kind of like an experience.

Very novel idea. You were next.

Question, I would like to know, you said that you're going to limit the people to how many minutes?

90 minutes.

How will you know when it's 90 minutes?

Well, so what you do is you make that known on the website that they're making reservations on, that you're limited to 90 minutes. And when there's about 20 minutes left, your server will just let you know how much time there is. And like I said, that lounge area that you saw in the picture, that's not going to be rented out. So if you need time to wrap up, you just kind of get moved over to that lounge to finish your cocktail, cash out, while we can move another reservation in.

Are you serving us beer or some beer and wine?

It's going to strictly be, it's going to mostly be distilled spirits. So vodka, gin, rum, tequila, bourbon. We'll have a couple beers, maybe two or three, a little bit of cider, and some wines on tap. But it's mostly going to be a cocktail establishment.

And part of our licensing is we're going to make all of our beer, wine, cider, and spirits in-house, just like we do at our brewery. So everything will be unique to us.

Yeah.

Everything has to be sourced through us.

Very good, since I've lost control because you were not, the gentleman over there was not. Go ahead. You were next. Thank you, sir.

Well, okay, so I'm going to spare you this long diatribe, but I do want to ask you a couple of questions, and I want to make a statement. What is the current use of this property? Is it vacant? It was vacant. It's vacant. What was the prior use to that?

Home improvement company.

Okay. And are you guys purchasing? You're purchasing the property?

Unfortunately, we're leasing. We tried to purchase, but anytime you find good real estate, no one wants to sell it to you.

Well, the statement part is this. So you guys have probably talked to our staff and you've talked to them about the long history of this city getting to the point where we're now getting businesses like yours. We didn't allow this stuff to operate 12 years ago. We didn't allow liquor licenses for consumption on premises. So it's really encouraging for me to see businesses like yours locating in our community now because it tells me we're starting to meet meet up to the standard that we set long ago. And just seeing these renderings and seeing the fact that you're building out of vacant space in a district that, Mayor, you'll know this, we used to tour this when I first came here and we'd say, that'll never be anything. it's something it's really something that entire district is really something and that the renderings look just absolutely gorgeous and I think the concept is is so unique and so cool and really just helps create that you know we already have some destination restaurants Theo Parker and some others over there and I think this really will add to the offerings so I want to thank both of you for you know your investment in our city and your commitment to the

health and well-being of this community going forward sir it's awesome excuse me we appreciate the fact that your negative part of you failed as you were projecting what the businesses would do we welcome you well

You guys will all get one when we start. We haven't formally figured out. I mean, that idea was taken. We like to try to think of our own things. Right now we're leaning towards matchbooks. It used to be popular at the old bars, and so maybe we do a matchbook with our logo on it, and then on the inside it has a QR code, and then on the matches will be written just a code, and that will get you into the website, and then our door will be coded entry, which you'll get with your website reservation confirmation. Okay.

so i guess none of you have ever gone to a speakeasy

Oh, okay, so you know how looking through. Well, Mr. Chair, can I just speak to that? So I have. Speak to that. I have in Detroit, and I've been to many, actually, just based on. Ooh. Yeah.

Ooh.

You know, Mr. Exclusive over here.

And we hire him. My goodness.

But I do, and not that I have some plethora of speakeasy knowledge, but based on the ones I've gone to, this is a very unique concept. And I think very cool and a draw it's a draw.

It's like a tourist draw really Madam mayor Until we got this city manager. We were the biggest dry city in Michigan and Granny and company done brought the demon rum to the city of Oak Park and brought Energy and community were delighted. Are you going to have a ribbon-cutting or is it super secret? I

We probably won't have a ribbon cutting. It'll be secret. Obviously, everybody here knows about it, and the whole health department will know about it. But to try to keep it, yeah.

What we've done in the past is a soft opening for local businesses, local community, friends, and families. So I think that's, at this point, that's our plan. It's like a soft opening. And then... And then from there, it'll just kind of be.

Yes, ma'am. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

We'd love that. That would be great.

Very good. Any other questions? Can I have a recommendation, please?

Recommendation.

Second. It's been recommended and seconded. May I have a roll call, please?

Vice Chairperson Brown? Yes. Commissioner Eiselman?

Yes.

Commissioner McClellan?

Yes, absolutely, and welcome to Oak Park.

Commissioner Tkacz? Yes. Commissioner Tungay? Yes. Commissioner Walters-Gill? Looking forward to it, yes.

Boy, this has really gone to be destructive. Where's Selexon when I need him? Welcome to the community. It looks good. We're looking forward to a speakeasy since we have a veteran speakeasy person over here. And I came from a neighborhood where in Harlem where we had lots of places like that. So, I'm looking forward to it. So, congratulations.

Thank you very much.

And let us know as you progress through it so we can get ready for it.

Sounds like there's a couple of experts in the high bar. So, we hope to meet it. Thank you. We'll try.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

Congratulations. Holy Moses. Are there any comments that you would like to share with us.

I am delighted that we have a unique new business in Oak Park. That is not a chain that isn't the same in Kansas as it is in New York City. It's one of a kind it's authentic and I couldn't be more delighted.

Believe me, it's maybe one of a kind, but I went to a place last night where we had something similar to that. And we had only 12 guests, and you had to be invited. Yes. And you had to have nine.

Maybe you're the veteran speakeasy person. Yes, I am.

We had nine servings, which was outstanding, from a private chef down in Detroit.

Wow.

All right. Thank you. Where are we now?

Moving to old business master plan update presentation by Givils-Webster.

Wow. We should be cheering for them until we don't. Good evening. Well, that last item takes me back. And in college, I actually helped establish a temporary speakeasy for charity.

Please.

Our theme was international people.

For the record, I need some names.

Yes, I'm Joe Tangary from Giffles Webster. And with me is my colleague, Eric Peach, also from Giffles Webster. All right, very good. We had a passport, which was how you got in. We stamped it and then we opened a freezer and you walked through the back of the freezer into the speakeasy. And was also, Noted in the in the last item. It's been a very eventful decade for the city of Oak Park So part of the reason we're here we are tonight going to kind of do a public intro to the Planning Commission of the master plan the process is already underway, but we want to Just give kind of an overview of what to expect and Where we're headed with this process So we have a tentative timeline, we'll call it, that we've established and we are kind of still at the beginning of the timeline. We've been speaking with staff since the very end of last year, pulling together the background chapter of the master plan which talks about all of your demographics and kind of existing conditions in the community we have done some public engagement in this room we had a open house for people that was combined with the recreation department. We're also working on the recreation plan. We have a survey coming up. We had to shuffle some things around because of other events that were going on. So on June 23rd, a survey will be going out to the community. And once that survey has been administered, we will be summarizing the results of that and the other public input that we've done for the Planning Commission. and then getting into actually drafting the master plan. We are looking at trying to have the plan done early next year, sometime in the first quarter of next year, which means drafting over the summer and working toward having an open house to present the ideas in the plan in the fall. than having a public review period at the end of the year, which is a two-month period where our neighboring communities can weigh in on the plan. As a way of working the Planning Commission into this master plan, we wanted to go through the vision and goals from the last master plan, because we've You're on kind of an every decade schedule for updating your master plan. And this is 10 years since the last update. So I'm going to hand it over to Eric to go through the vision and goals from the last master plan.

Thank you, Joe. As Joe said, my name is Eric Peach with Giffels Webster, planning consultant. So we're going to be looking at, over the next few weeks, trying to gather information, as Joe said, from the survey, from meetings with you all, to discuss how the current master plan is established. And first and foremost, we have a vision statement. And if any of you aren't familiar with it, I can read it for the record. The vision of this master plan is to strengthen community by providing the highest possible quality of life and becoming a regional leader in rebuilding the urban environment and public realm. To enhance culture by providing the highest quality programs and services while encouraging collaboration among community members and maintaining the city's unique cultural diversity and to stimulate commerce by encouraged business growth and innovation while establishing a vibrant city center and thriving activity nodes and ultimately maximizing Oak Park's competitiveness in the region. And so the three terms that stand out and are highlighted within that vision statement are community, culture, and commerce. And so it's those three points that we'll look at the goals that are currently established for each one of those. So for the topic of community, to strengthen community by providing the highest possible quality of life and becoming a regional leader in rebuilding the urban environment and public realm, The first goal in regards to that is to cultivate a sense of place and unique public spaces, and we've seen a lot of that occur over the last few years, thinking specifically towards the nine mile corridor. To expand housing options, this is a unique one that we're gonna be looking at specifically towards senior housing, senior living, and ways to capture the population who may want to age in place. and to expand upon and look towards unique ways that we can incorporate senior housing with housing options. And then the third goal is to enhance pedestrian scaled streets and foster a comfortable and safe environment for all users within the context of the city's existing infrastructure community needs and so we recognize the unique place of Oak Park within the greater region and that we have an established and built out infrastructure within the city and so how does Oak Park envision itself from here going forward into the next 10 years of the Updated master plan and lastly goal for under community is to improve park facilities and recreational programming And so we're really excited to also be working on the parks and rec plan as a component of the overall Comprehensive plan and so we'll be gathering information and data in regards to that as well. I The second topic, that being culture, to enhance culture by providing the highest quality programs and services while encouraging collaboration among community members and maintaining the city's unique cultural diversity. So I think it's this one that I look forward to most, especially as it relates to the community engagement and how we get responses from the surveys and just hearing from the residents what they like about living in Oak Park and where they might see some areas of improvement to work upon because it is a very diverse community and I know that everyone here celebrates that and I think that that's a unique initiative or just existence that we can continue to maintain and encourage as we go forward. Goal number two is to maintain excellent city services. A lot of that occurs within this building, obviously, and so we're excited to be a part of that and to recognize how we can continue to cultivate that kind of culture within the master plan. And then goal three, to improve environmental sustainability, and I think a lot of that will be focused upon within the recreational plan update as well. And then last, commerce. This is a quite extensive list of goals here. To stimulate commerce by encouraging business growth and innovation while establishing a vibrant city center and thriving activity nodes, and ultimately maximize Oak Park's competitiveness in the region. And I think just by being here for the last half an hour or so, it's pretty apparent to me that it seems as though you're on the right trajectory with the different proposals that are coming before you. You know, someone who has patronized some of the businesses within the community and finding a good, well-established place to meet colleagues and friends and whatnot, that it seems to be that the goals of the commerce component of the current master plan seems to be evolving and heading in the right direction. And to be competitiveness, to have competitiveness within the region, A quick little back story is one of our colleagues has recently rented an apartment within the community, within Oak Park, and it was a decision between Oak Park and another well-established community in the Oakland County area. And so I think he got his keys last Friday. So just something behind the scenes to show that if competitiveness is one of the goals and one of the aspirations for Oak Park, it's just another example of being headed in the right direction. in regards to that. To attract high quality diverse restaurants, provide streamlined business friendly permitting process and easily obtainable resources for business. Goal four says to revise and improve commercial parking zoning regulations and municipal parking options. Goal five, to update maps, zoning, and ordinances, and that's what we're here to do. We have a good GIS team that we work with to update our maps and our zoning maps with the ordinances. Goal six, to improve commercial corridors, visual appearance, to spur investment. Goal seven, redevelopment of blighted or underutilized buildings. And again, looking at and recognizing Oak Park as an older established suburban community, how to go about those types of challenges that we can implement within the master plan. And then goal eight, improve rental properties. Goal nine, to provide resources to entrepreneurs and businesses. And then goal 10, to improve industrial areas. So there's quite a mix of diversity within the commerce subtopic that we're excited to hear from you and to get a better understanding for how you may want to continue these goals going forward with the update to the master plan or how you might want to tweak them.

modify them we're happy to listen and gather more information to keep that process moving forward so sure yeah and that's really the kind of the idea behind reminding you of your your past vision and goals is to kind of get your mind thinking about What have we accomplished? What more do we want to accomplish? What might need to be added to our list of goals in this new update? And what might no longer need to be listed because we've actually done it? So the basic components of a master plan, you have a background chapter as I noted that we were pulling that together earlier. So demographics, existing conditions, that could include everything from soil conditions to what land uses you already have. Public engagement, of course, is a key component of the process. You have your goals and objectives and implementation items. And that's really your roadmap for how to turn the plan from a document into action. We do have some statutorily required subjects that we have to touch on in every master plan. Complete streets and a thoroughfare plan is one of them, and a housing plan is kind of the new one that was actually just added to the Michigan Planning Enabling Act just a couple of years ago. And then finally, the Future Land Use Map and Zoning Plan is one of the linchpins of a master plan. This is your current Future Land Use Map. Of course, Future Land Use Map doesn't actually change any zoning, but it does set forth a vision for where we want certain things to be happening. in the community and by adjusting what is permitted in our zoning, we can sort of drive the types of activity that we want in the community. And the zoning plan itself is basically looking at the future land use categories that we develop in the course of creating a master plan and relating them to the zoning districts that you already have in your zoning ordinance. and determining whether or not you need to create new districts or modify existing districts in any way. Do you have any questions for us? This is kind of a quick intro, but you'll be seeing a lot more of us as the process goes on. Mr.

Chair. Just a moment. You continue to use the word survey. Say more about how many people will see that survey and how will it be distributed?

So we're working with the communications department on the distribution of that survey, and the objective is for as many people as possible to see it and take it. So, we've done some initial discussion of how to distribute it, not just by posting it on social media and things, but actually reaching out to groups around the community and proactively engaging with people to get their input on the questions that we're going to be asking. and you know you've got a lot of different kind of sub communities in the city so we want to make sure that we're reaching out to everybody and not simply trying to hope that people will see that the survey is occurring because they saw a post online or you know something on the municipal website trying to be a lot more proactive than that

I just want to add that we're going to be at the state of the city with a board and QR codes for the survey. We're going to be at the farmers market and also we're going to distribute it to businesses at the library, at the parks and recs. So we're going to try to reach out to residents for the QR code with the QR code. And if anyone wants a hard copy, we're going to provide it to them. We're going to also post on our social media.

Okay, but what I'm asking is, you know, it's fertile ground for a survey to show up at a door or on a system, and people just ignore it. Are we telling them that we're building anticipation that this survey is coming so they know to watch out for it?

I mean, media, that's what we are going to try to do. Like our communications department, we're going to start like promoting the survey.

Okay. Very good. Go ahead.

I was just going to say the state of the city is kind of the kickoff event for us to really start promoting the survey coming out.

Okay. Very good. Madam Mayor.

That was exactly my question, was about the survey, because sometimes it's a representative sample, and a lot of people feel, wait, nobody asked me. So I prefer this method to the representative sample method to reach as many people as possible who have a voice. Thank you.

I'm sorry I took your question.

Well, you got a nerve.

Yes, I am the chairman. That gives me the ability to do that.

Eric do you have something I do I hope I'm not I know what time is of the essence here so I I want to just ask is this future land use map concrete or is this still a work in progress maybe that's a better question for you gentlemen this is the one in the adopted plan okay so this is what you have on the books and we'll be creating a new one over the course of this project I have a question for Director Maroney then. You know what I'm gonna ask about the R1 district, the municipal district here. So do we need to carve out the residential mid-rises or whatever over here from the R1

Yeah, we'd want to do that during this process, definitely. And if anybody on Planning Commission has recommendations for what to include on the future land use map, obviously reach out to Slaumari and we'll make sure that we consider it in our new updated future land use map.

What would those be zoned, those residential, the ones down here on this campus? They wouldn't be R1, what would they be?

Probably be RM2. RM2. Yeah. One or two. Yeah, one or two. Depends on the project. Depends on the height, yeah.

Okay, and then I just have a quick question just going, is it common to see these municipal complex properties in our one designation like that? I'm guessing so. But is that

It would vary a lot from community to community, but yeah, I mean, it's going to have some sort of designation that would permit the type of development that you're looking for. It's going to have different names depending on where you go, though.

And that's true of, like, parks and other city-owned properties, right?

Yeah, also true, yeah. Oftentimes parks will be, they might be permitted in a variety of districts, but typically parks and other municipal facilities will be permitted in, like, a residential district because you want the proximity to your residents.

Thank you. Any other questions? Any other comments? Do we need anything to accept this?

It just was the review.

It was an information review?

It's informational, yes.

Okay, very good. Thank you for having us. Thank you for the help. It sounds like it's going to be a very, very I don't know what the best best word is for that comprehensive that is I will do it that way. All right best to go. I believe we had number 7 planning Commission. Matters for discussion. Here we go. The three questions. Only three.

Well, there may be more. I would like to know what's going on with the property on Oak Park Boulevard that was supposedly going to be a facility for seniors, living facility for seniors.

Rehabilitation. Yeah. Are you wondering what the current status is of the property here? Yeah. So that nursing center development failed during the COVID era, let's call it, and they did not move forward with the project. And since that time, we actually took public nuisance action on the property in order to get the old rectory building demolished. It is now demolished and the the property is on the market for sale right now.

Okay, second question, what is going on with the Myers property that was supposed to be a restaurant?

Oh, the old WWJ building? So a new owner purchased it last April, and we have been trying to work with them through getting a site plan that is something we could approve, let's put it that way. We're not there yet.

Third question is, when and how do we go about getting nice dining restaurants where we can actually go sit down and have a nice dinner?

I mean I would consider like the Oak Parker a nice dining we have Eddie's gourmet Sahara are you looking for a super fine dining That's that's a harder one to get especially in today's economy Not a lot of people are spending a lot on fine dining restaurants, but that's certainly something that we still try to attract No

There was 3 we do we have a 4th.

Want to make sure.

Any other comments. Any other discussion. Do you have anything else for us. Okay, so we've completed everything that I can say.

Thank you well done.