Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Okay, it's uh 6 o'clock. I'd like to call the uh meeting of the North Topsel Beach Planning Board meeting of March 12 to order. Uh welcome everybody and um glad we have a full house. Okay. Um first item is uh adoption of a agenda. Do we have a motion or any uh to adopt or any changes?

I'd like to make a motion to adopt or oh yeah, adopt the agenda. I'm reading the wrong one. Adopt the agenda. Okay. Seconds with a correction.

Okay. Would you like to amend your I will. I didn't know that was what we were doing. Okay. Yes. I would like to make a motion to adopt the agenda with the addition of another public comment period after new business. Okay. Can we get a second? A second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any opposed?

Okay, motion passes. Now we have um approval of the minutes. Do we have a motion to adopt the minutes from the uh February 12th meeting? I'd like to make a motion to approve those minutes as amended by the email to the clerk to the planning board and as instructed by the chair this evening for the clerical levers. We got a second. I'll second it. Again, any discussion? Not hearing any. All those in favor say I. I.

Okay. Motion. Um public comment. Um, do we have anybody that would like to speak? Kip, would you like to say anything? Okay. Okay. Uh, moving on. Now we go to old business. We don't have any old business this time. Uh, new business. Okay, Deb, we got some new business.

Okay. Thanks for joining us here this evening on this lo love lovely beautiful island day. Um back in 2010, specifically December the 2nd, the board of alderman um adopted a reprint of the zoning map, which is what you see on the counter there. So, in a little bit, we'll kind of take a break or if as I'm speaking, if you want to feel free to get up and meander over there and take a gander at it. Uh, is there any way that you can turn this side that sideways? Oh, thank upside down. Right side up. There you go. There you go. Okay. Beauty beauty. All right. So the re one of the reasons why that's so the zoning map that's on the counter the paper copy is so large um it's printed to 1 inch equals 400 ft I think that's what it should I think that's what it says on it should have the scale on it. So once upon a time.

Yep. Okay. Good. All of this is engraved on my brain and sometimes I second guess myself so I always have to check. But um once upon a time before Florence actually the zoning map there was another copy uh another working copy of the zoning map that uh was put up on the wall down here and then of course uh the first working copy is in the planning office and so the official paper copy uh is in a tube. it it's signed by the mayor, certified by uh the town clerk when it was adopted, and then rolled up and uh for safekeep being kept in the town clerk's vault. So, just a little bit of background, when I first got here, the town couldn't find their zoning map, much to Mayor Rodney Null's dismay. And so after going through the office and stuff, I found the copy of the zoning map that he considered to be the official zoning map uh crumpled up in the back of one of the cabinets. So why that was, I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. Right. So since I've been here, we all have been very protective over that the official zoning map. So if you can imagine in the and so all right Deb planner De why is why is zoning so important and why do we have to safeguard these zoning districts and this map approved by the board of

alderman? like what's what's the big deal? And the reason being is I am not allowed. Brady's not allowed. No one else is allowed under penalty of really bad stuff. We do not have the the administr the authority to make administrative changes to that zoning map. Once that map is adopted, that is the official zoning map. So even if I if I think that if I go through there and I go uh you know what based on the history of zoning I don't see where that property was ever reszoned to that this is what it should be based on the other zoning maps then I would need to bring that forward and I I could do a staff initiated resoning bring it to the planning board and say hey this um this is why this shouldn't be zone this way it needs to be corrected um back to whatever whatever zone it was And then you would make a a recommendation to the board of alderman and then uh we would advertise a public hearing uh send notification to the adjacent property owners post a sign in the property reszoning hearing right to where that everybody in the brother would know hey Ali Ali free we're going to be discussing the zoning of this property. So um then it goes to the board and they can either say yay or nay and if they choose to u say you made a recommendation to um adopt a map amendment is what we call it like a text amendment for the UDO. So with zoning, we call it a map amendment, right? And so if the board chooses to accept your recommendation and approve

the map amendment, Brady and I have crafted an ordinance. It's like a template, a resolution, resolution or an ordinance. Ordinance ordinance.

Uh we've only looked at them all day. Sorry. uh to adopt this ordinance as a postto resolution where the it says blah blah blah blah blah hereby you know board of all this state uh approved the reasoning of the property from say R20 to R10 whatever and the mayor signs it and it's certified by the town clerk and then it's put in the book of resolutions to where that now you've got the minutes but now you've got a document that goes along with that zoning map to be the official zoning map. And what we should be doing is on that zoning map that's been kept in the town clerk's office, uh we should be going in there and say say it was uh what was last week, March 4th. Uh you know March 4th uh R22 R4 and indicate that on the map to where that whenever somebody opens it up, it's still the official zoning map and it includes all of those all of those approved map amendments through those ordinances where everything matches. I have to say that's how it is in a perfect world. Sometimes things aren't perfect, but for example, we had one that we were looking at. We've completed our research on it uh confirming the zonings, resonings, the approved resonings and the ones that were also denied. And there was one that it was the minutes were six pages long. Six pages long just for the reasonzoning case. Just for the reasoning case. And you can read those six pages again and again and again. You will not see emotion on there. And it's like what the hey

people. So, but fortunately there was a uh ordinance that was uh signed by the mayor and the town clerk that gave all the details where the board had approved that and it was like so they had like six pages of disc discussion but somehow it wasn't captured. I make a motion to approve or to adopt the ordinance or whatever, you know, it just wasn't on there. So, um, these things are very important as we go through time. Um, and to make sure that the the minutes reflect the motion that was made, the documents that staff is supposed to provide in advance to where that it can actually be signed, put in that book of resolution to where that we have an authentic, consistent zoning process, right? Um, you don't want somebody coming in. You don't want one of us going through and making changes willy-nilly. You know, I want somebody to like me, so I'm just going to go ahead and reszone that property and not make them go through the planning board and the board of alderman, right? I'm going to go I'm going to I'm going to sneak in in the dead of night and go ahead and change it on there. But you want some you absolutely want some control. And that's that's the control process. So one of the changes between the old map and the new map, I've corrected the map, I've corrected the unofficial map hanging in my office. I've not we will be correcting this one handwriting where prior to 2021 in the adoption in the uh North Carolina general statutes 160D that disallowed

conditional use districts. So if you notice whenever we go over there and look at it on the key on or the legend on the bottom left hand side it'll have uh like cur5 and that's for conditional use R5 u R10 R conditional use R15 that's disallowed. So, what they do allow for is conditional district, which is basically the same thing, but they're not using use because it's illegal to tie in a use in a property in a resoning, if that makes any sense. It's kind of semantics. I think it was an attempt to clear up the semantics and kind of do away with the use. But for example, on the one of the last ones that the board did, we have had one conditional district resoning, I don't know if if any of you remember if you were here, uh it was the it was the property just south of Rodney Nolles Park and it was zoned R20 and they wanted to subdivide it and they were like 5t short, something like that. And so they requested a resoning from R20 to conditional district R15. And so it still had the same uh R20 setbacks. Uh and the condition the condition for the conditional district was that it was single family only and that would allow them to split the lot and build two single family homes which they since have right. So we don't do those often. That's the only one that we've had. And out of what it was 12 through15, we've had 15 reasonzoning cases since December of 20 2010 when that map was adopted. So there were actually a couple years I think 2023 where there was no reasonzoning

cases at all. So, and then there's a few years where we had, you know, I think 2021 we had two, 2013 we had two, 2016 we had two. So, it's it's not a regular we don't have those every day or every month. We might have one or two a year basically is what I'm saying. Right. So, Deb, get to the point. Why are Why are we even discussing this? Well, there were three links to an article and I I hope that all of you were able to like click on them and just kind of glance through them. So, this is March 12th of 2026 in the 21st century. So just like everything else, zoning modernizes and so some localities, local governments have do have adopted the digital zoning map represented by their GIS that's available online. So one Oh, that's a ghost. That's the ghost from the other zoning maps. That's what that is. So I know I I know what guess that is. I know I know exactly what guess that is. All right. Anyway, uh so for the one of the advantages for having a digital zoning map, we had gotten a request not too long ago, public records request, and they wanted the official zoning map. Well, there's only one zoning map. It's only locked in the clerk's fault. What can I get a copy of? Well, you can go to you can go to GIS and ask them to reprint you one. No, I want a copy of the official zoning map.

It's kind of a loop, but so if you have so if you adopt the digital GIS and somebody says I want a copy of your official zoning map, then we send them the link to GIS and say this turn on the zoning layer and that's our official map. The other advantage to and it's advantage and it's kind of the same way. I think it's more of two different methodologies to accomplish the same thing. And I'm not sure whether one has an advantage over the other or not. But in the event that the town adopted the digital as the official zoning map, once once the mayor and the town clerk signed the ordinance and we scan it and email it to Enso County GIS and say, "Please change this lot 1190 new road from R20 to R15." They do it like within, you know, generally within 24 hours, whatever. So, and that's the only way whether uh that's the only way that we can get zoning changed in GIS is to send them either a copy of the minutes where the motion has been to change that property from R15 to R20 or to send them a copy of that resolution. Same same difference, but send them a copy of that ordinance that is proof that the board did in fact authorize the zoning. I can't call them up and say, "I'm Deb Hill, greatest planning planner in the world. Please change that resigning." They'll be like, "No, you're not the greatest planner." Because if you were, you'd know that we can't do that, right? So is So that's one methodology. And then if the official paper copy, if the paper copy is the official zoning map, then we would make the change on there and

indicate in handwriting, you know, uh, R22, R15, and then put the case number and the date on it, the date it was changed. And then anybody looking at that at that lot, say if it was your property and you're like, well, I didn't know my property was R15. When did that happen? You could go back through the minutes. We could pull out the staff report and do the background and stuff, but it gives you just the case number and the date and the reasoning gives you sufficient information that if you wanted to look more into it that you could you would know when that property was reszoned, right? Um, what else? Uh, I guess GIS I'm trying to Does anybody else want to throw out some advantages and disadvantages?

Yeah, I could see one major one. If you know if there's some disaster, fire, hurricane, whatever, to where you're rolled up in the back of the office somewhere, file gets destroyed, you don't have the original as approved map any longer. Right. Like you've said in the beginning, you don't have the original one. You have a copy or recreated map, right?

Uh and I would think that if it's digital, then it's in perpetual whatever forever and in the cloud somewhere and can't be destroyed more or less as a major advantage. I I would presume that they would have like backup and backup and backup for you know for security. U but I will also say that if we're doing our jobs and at and this goes back to that is it an advantage or you know which one has the advantage or is it two different methodologies. So yeah, if that paper if, god forbid, something happened to the off to the clerk's fault and we lost that map, um I would go to GIS and say, "Hey, can you print me can you print me out that map?" And I would ask for 400 one inch to 400 ft like that one. and I would have a place for the mayor's signature and for the clerks and then we would have to advertise. We'd run it by by the planning board for recommendation. Then we take it to the board of alderman and we would do the same thing where we would we would be asking the board of alderman to um adopt the reprint of the map as the official zoning map and do it exactly the same way. So we wouldn't have to go through that because we if it was digital, we wouldn't have lost our paper copy. We'd just get another working paper copy, you know, if but um you know, through the years I I have referred to both. I've looked up at the zoning map. You know, I think it just depends on what you get used to and what you feel comfortable with, but we use GIS all the time and we're constantly check, you know, I want to say that we check check

what's on the map. Check GIS, make sure it's the same thing. Deb, when I'm trying to think if I understand this, what you're saying is right now when a change occurs to the map, you have to notate it on our official map, which is the one over there. That's correct. And then you have to send the minutes where the mayor and the town clerk signed off it to GIS. So, it's updates theirs. Correct. So is GIS a backup to this or

GIS actually GIS actually uh is the source from for printing that official zoning map and before I got here uh the town had taken the they they didn't take it away because there was such frustration with that zoning Yeah. Uh they had hired a consulting fir firm to like redo the zoning map, reconstruct the zoning map, right? There were like out of 4,000 properties in uh how much over paper how many I want to say it was like 30 but it seems like it was more than 30 where they reviewed planning board reviewed like each problem section or each section that was a concern over and over and over again. I started in September of 2006. I started working on that zoning map pretty much since I first got here. I could not get that zoning map approved by the board until December of 2011, 2010. So, it took me four years to get that zoning map approved. And it was going back and forth like every month the planning board was looking at it. We were reviewing it. No, you got to change it to this. No, that's not how it is. Change it back to this. um working with Enso County GIS, having them to change going through a paper map like that that was marked up by the planning board and go through and change it on not on their GIS but on a separate thing to where they they could print that out. So would it be fair to say then that the GIS map electronic is a backup to ours or vice versa?

I would say that I would consider GIS as a backup to the official paper copy map.

So and the question then before us tonight is do we want to make that the backup and GIS the primary? I wouldn't even consider that the backup because it would just be like a working copy. It'd be it'd be the same as if, you know, Ricky wanted to go, you know, call GIS and say, "Hey, I'm a real estate agent. Would you print I want a zoning map. Can you print me out a zoning map of North Hopsson Beach?" Um, you know, um, but to your point, if you adopt the if you made the recommendation or if the town if the board accepted the to adopt the digital electronic version of the zoning map, then you're not worried about any of these other copies because you wouldn't expect a discrepancy. Because what they're showing is what gets printed out. What they're showing what they were showing was what was used to print that out for the town to adopt that piece of paper.

So there's not a discrepancy between one or the other. No. And there there should So the exact same document, correct? So it's just a matter of which one do we name as the official and which one we name as

working. Yeah. and and so based on the number of reasonings that there that there's been that have been approved 12 uh that's not a large amount of numbers uh that paper copy is still in very excellent condition. Um so if you wanted to if you wanted to say no how we've been doing it you know will suffice. We got a paper copy locked in the in the town clerk's vault. Um, if there was any discrepancy, if there was any discrepancy between what GIS has and what that paper map has, then I would look to see I would go I would we would do a review just like we've like we've done and go through and see has the board of alderman go through the minutes. Has the board of alderman approved any resonings for that? And if there were none and there wasn't there wasn't one indicated on the official zoning map, I'd be calling GIS and say, "Okay, what happened?"

And they may or may not be able to tell us how that got changed, but I wouldn't and I wouldn't expect that to change. Okay? like the only way to change it is to send them an email with that document and say please please change the zoning for this property. So staff would it would be easier for staff to go with the electronic copy at GIS as the official document. I'm not sure if you really want to call it the official document. You really have two official documents,

right? You have a digital version of the official document and you have a print version of the addition the official document the primary. There's only one there's only one official zoning map and that's that right now and right now it's the paper copy from my from my perspective like I want you to be aware of this and like I said I hope you you know were able to look at the articles and see the advantages and disadvantages and it may come down to just preference but for my part you know we only have like 12 approvals in 16 years So,

I don't see I don't see any problem with and you might want to consider it at a later date, but I do think that exactly what we've done, you know, conducting a review and making sure that we've accounted for the approved zonings and stuff and going back and and keeping that map updated. That's that's the important part.

So, Deb, what what action are you asking us to take tonight? My simple was that the planning board discuss advantages and disadvantages of maps in paper or digital format approved by the local government. So I'm I'm not asking you to take any action tonight. I want you to be aware that there's different methodologies for official zoning maps. And so you're a representative sampling of the citizens of North Thompson Beach. So you don't you don't have to take any action tonight. If you came back if if somebody thought about it, say you went home and you thought about it and you know three months from now you had this epiphany and you said you know what I'm going to recommend at the next planning board meeting that we adopt that digital then you can certainly do that and then send it up to the board of alderman and let the board of alderman weigh the weigh the merits.

Well what's the what's the feeling of everybody on the board? What I mean, m Mr. Chair, just a couple comments that may be a different perspective. I look at this from my as a design professional from my my background and working in over 30 states and most municipalities and counties have a digital map. Not all of them have GIS. Some of them just have a digital map that somebody's creating and keeping up to date. I think it saves uh time on staff from people calling and you know what's the I'm looking at this piece of property what are the surrounding zonings around it because you want to call me

and so when I so from that perspective I think the digital map is the way to go especially with the relationship with the county gets updated pretty quickly

the county I came from you might wait three months so they they had a map on the wall in the planning office showing the ordinances that approved it in the interim in case somebody came in. But to me, it's just easy. You can go online, you can figure it out, and you know what you're you're looking at. When I from the other perspective, when I went to buy my house here, I could easily look up my parcel, but to find the other parcels, it was pretty difficult. You had to go to the county, had to start looking around by address, try to find the parcel number, find the zoning. I mean, I spent hours and hours just looking what's happening in the two blocks around where I was looking to buy where I could have looked at a map in five minutes and said, "Oh, okay. I understand this now." Um, and the town has very few zoning categories. I mean, I came from a town that had 30 something categories and we had at least one attempt of a reszoning a month.

Oh, wow.

And they were by ordinance. It took two hearings. So it went to the planning board and then two hearings at the in this case board of alderman. So I mean it took months to get through these. So you always had three or four of these things on your agenda. I will say 80% of them got denied because they were outlandish and you know people were trying to you know build way more than they should have been building on a lot. But I I think from that perspective, just having it and then being able to post it on the website or the link to how to get to it on the website um makes it just easier, I think, for everybody. And then when there is a potential reasoning, the citizens can go look at that map at home and say, "Oh, that makes sense." Or, "No, I want to go and and protest because they're going to create traffic or you never know what the issue is, but environmental." Um, but that way uh I think it, you know, it saves staff time from just answering the phone all day and trying to

We are still going to get those calls, right? I sure, but you can quickly or whoever answers the phone can say, "Well, you can go on the website and you can find the official zoning map right there." So, I don't have my computer with me. Can you look it up for me? Well, you're just too nice because normally where I come from, they'd say, "Well, when you get your computer, look it up." But I I think it's important u Mr. Chairman and I I I mean I think that we should move forward with that and I I just think also as as you said Mr. chairman having a map on the wall that um the building could burn down. There could be a fly the water comes in and

I'm somewhat surprised and not being critical. Somewhat surprised that the town I'm sure has a disaster recovery plan of some sort that would have maybe kept a copy of the zoning map offsite in another facility in case something happened. I mean that was sure it's if it's in the safe it's probably proof.

I when we when we have an anticipated event like we did with Florence, all all those important documents get loaded up and get taken off the island. And um I mean some stuff that I just didn't want to take a chance of losing at all. uh I took home with me and put them in in the spare bedroom until things were we could bring back because we didn't bring them back to town hall. we had to bring him back down to the trailer and um I can't imagine like I'm I'm not sure what the what the clerk's protocol was at the time, but that's why there's a clerk's vault with that she has a key to because there are some very important documents, personnel records as well as historical documents that if they're lost, we we don't have a replacement for them. And in like 1989 9798 99 during Fran Floyd and Bertha when I think town hall was in a trailer off of Island Drive somewhere and um the hurricanes came through. All those files all those files from inspections in in the planning department were as I was told out in the well like they just blew everywhere along with the rest of of the debris. So a lot of times when many many many times more often than not like 97 98 99% of the time when somebody calls and they're wanting information in their uh you know in their file for inspections say they're looking for I can't remember

like a permit when the house was for first built and I'm like when was the house built? Uh 1993. I said well I'm pretty sure we don't have a copy of it but let me look and I'll go and look and sure enough they won't I mean, it's not unusual to find virtually empty folders for structures that were built prior to that date if they've not pulled any permits. Anything that's in there is going to be where they've pulled an electrical, mechanical, or HBAC or, you know, maintenance, something like that. Um, so to your point, hopefully we're better at safeguarding the physical documents that we have. There's also a finite limit. There is a limit somewhere on what we're able to store paper-wise. And I know that we probably keep housing documents a lot longer in perpetuity uh than we have to. And I think I'm sure that there's a time limit. I know Holly Ridge got rid of ours some time ago. So, but we hold on to the ones for North Topsel Beach. So, but you know, it's really I think a preference on like what you want to do or what you want to see. For us, it's not going to make any difference. People are still still going to call free zonings. Uh we we use G we use GIS. We also have a paper copy that's kind of nice. So, whenever somebody comes into the office and they're talking about stuff, then they see that map and they're able to, you know, So, where are you talking? Oh, I'm talking about right there. They can point to the map, you know, as as a reference. So, um,

well, I'midress Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm old school. I kind of like paper. I don't mind killing a tree every once in a while, but I also see the advantages and get reminded pretty constantly, you know, you know, there's a there's a whole different world out there that you don't have to be able to hold your hand on,

right? But in the world we're in right now, ask the folks at at at Striker Medical Supplies, they're they're right now today trying to trying to get all their documents and stuff put back together where there was a cyber attack and got them wiped out. So, you know, if if it was solely left up to me, I' i'd have I'd have a two-tier system. Yeah, let's have our work in where we can stay digital, but if nothing else, annually, every 18 months or every every how often, print a new map and have make sure you've got your reasonable up updated copy that you do that, you know, if if the crowd does blow the the base up over there and we get get leveled, we can we got something we can drag out and put back together. Yeah, I would I would not recommend printing a new map every year, especially if you on average only do like one or two reasonings. In some years, you don't have any. If you reprint that map, you have to go through that same you have to go through that same public advertise in a public hearing, take it through the plane board, take it to the board of alderman, which is really unnecessary. There's no there's no you're not getting any juice out of that squeeze. There's no benefit to it. Um and that you know when we update that map with the uh resoning um and throw it back in the tube, it's going to be every bit as valid. It's going to be every bit as valid as what you see on GIS. It's just depending on which one you want to call the official. Well, there's nothing to Rusty's point though wrong with then doing two tiered to use your words. Whereas the GIS is updated, but we keep what you were saying is you make your notations if

something comes up and that this is also our working copy so to speak.

Yeah. I don't know as we have in our ordinance like procedurally we do to a certain degree on the zoning map. I don't know as we reference um like how we make the changes and how we do the maintenance. I was really surprised in there because I thought that we had that the planning board shall review the zoning map like once a year, you know, just you know, so we bring it to you like just like we're doing now and say, "Hey, here's the zoning map. You know, everything's kosher. It's good to go. Roll, you know, planning board says, "Yep, looks good." Then we roll back up foot and tube or you know digitally you know uh Deb does the GIS reflect the reasoning that we approved last month and we pull it up and for some reason it doesn't then we have either failed to get that ordinance signed and sent to them or they've gotten it and somehow weren't you know didn't get to it. So that's a good opportunity. It's having these the layers is I think in the procedure, right?

The only drawback I see with not printing it more often is if somebody requests a GIS copy, Yep. they're going to have the updated information whereas your paper copy is only going to have the little handwritten change on it. That is just as valid. But it's two different. It'll it's two different things, but but it's just as valid. Okay. So, that doesn't make that that doesn't make that paper copy any less valid in the court of law.

And here's here's where it goes. Like if there was some like zoning big zoning court fiasco and they said, "Okay, we want a copy of the official zoning map." Okay, it's available on GIS or we go in with the tube where the mayor and the clerk have signed it and said, "This is our official zoning map." Like you would with the UDO. Where's a C? If there was some uh appeal or lawsuit over the text of our ordinance, the judge would ask for a copy of the Here it is electronically. Right.

Yes. Question to Deb if it's okay for through the chair. Um, when you do a reszoning and it's done by ordinance, does that does that framework of the ordinance basically say that the official zoning map's going to be updated? I would have to look at what we've done. I I don't think I have a Give me one second. I might accidentally have one. Oh, it was those two that I had not yet made a copy of the first ones from 2013.

Uh, well, it's not that important. I I think my the importance I'm trying to bring up is in in the framework of any ordinance going forward if it references that the map the official or the GIS will be updated if that's the official map. Right.

I think it's I think that that really I'd have to check with the attorneys on on you could certainly have those procedures statically in the ordinance to where that that ordinance is a guideline to where that you know the planner that comes in after Brady knows that this is the guideline on how to go to a go from A to Z on a on a reser. Okay. I think chip is on. Is that

Yeah. So, I'm sorry. Uh it's statutory. The process is statutory. The the ordinance supplements the statutory process, but um essentially the statute really kind of says you have to you have to designate a primary. So, if if you know if you want to have the digital map be the primary, that's fine. Uh then as Deb said, you can have a paper copy uh with the clerk that can have historic updates. Um it's it's the duty of the local government to maintain and update the the map uh the primary um as you make changes to it.

Thank you. So what's the pleasure of the board? Does anybody want to make a motion to adopt not adopt? Mr. table. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion that the

the planning board recommends that the um town adopts the digital map through the GIS as the official zoning map. Um and that it would then be posted on the website and they can print out and have on the wall, you know, wherever they want. But I think the digital it safeguards against a disaster or anything. And I mean I would I would assume the town has copies of the GIS system or not. Well, let me finish my motion. I can ask that under assuming it's on county G. I don't know if that needs to be added.

The the shape files for GIS are maintained. The shape files that you find online county GIS are maintained by the Enso County GIS department. Okay. So on my motion, I'll just add to that the the official map would be the GIS map maintained by the Enso County GIS system. We get a second. Okay. Any further discussion?

Just one question. Can to Rusty's point though in digital age of things happening um do we can we put in there or should we put in there something to the effect that we will maintain a paper copy so that if something does happen and the county has some kind of um malware or whatever that we do that it would be recognized as a backup of some kindary Yeah, I just I'm thinking to Rusty's point of that company being hacked that if something happened and Enso County lost everything and their backup wasn't there, where would the we be then with the town at least we'd have a working place to begin? So, as a backup, um I'm just thinking we've literally been operating as with two. So, it's just from my understanding, we're just taking the primary and making it the GIS, but I I'm questioning whether it's important to keep the working document notated somehow that in the event that Anso County something happens to that that this would be our fail safe so to speak. Also, um, you know, as a citizen of the town and then also maybe putting myself in your shoes a little bit, that copy that's sitting on your wall that only has a very limited amount of updates is a valuable resource anyway, probably for you sitting at your desk or for the person who walks into your office with a question. Um, so there's a definite benefit for that even if it is not the

official document. With the official document, now you're relying on the procedures and policies and controls that Enslow County has in place to keep it updated and then us with whatever we would use to check that. But it is the 21st century and well now I'm not sure. Do we need to vote on this and then maybe have another another uh uh vote another amendment or have the paper copy as a second or do you do we have to vote on this first and then make an amendment or we could just amend the So do you want to

as the maker of the motion I'll I'll ask to amend my motion to include as a backup the paper copy as a secondary kept kept in the clerk's office or wherever. Okay. Do we get a second on that amended amendment? South second the the amended motion. Amended motion. Okay. Any further discussion on the amended motion. Okay. Uh all those in favor of the amended motion say I. I. And anybody say no. Okay. The motion carries and and that's as a recommendation to the board of alderman that

All right. Not seeing any more new business. We have our second public comment period. Kip, you still got a chance. Okay. And now we go to um discussion. Any discussion? Okay. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Okay. All right. All those in favor say I. I. All right. No. The meeting is officially over at 6

48 48. Thank you.