Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

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And I I don't know how to Ralph Can you hear us, Ralph? Yeah, Ralph, just make sure that that this is recording, please. There's no response now. Maybe he took about Thank you. All right. Good evening, everyone. Um, welcome to the Town of North Providence Planning Board hearing uh located at 2000 Smith Street, North Providence, Rhode Island. Um, today is uh July 9th. Time is 6:10 p.m. Will you please join me in saying our country's pledge of allegiance? Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Americ. Um, so we're going to begin tonight's hearing with um taking uh attendance via roll call. Lou Dukio, Warren Richelli, David Pari, chair, Angelica Boas, solicitor, Steve Patassi. Okay, thank you everyone for uh coming tonight. Um, if you have been here before, you'll notice that we do not have our stenographer with us tonight. We are recording this meeting for public uh for record and uh our town planner is

um absent uh due to illness. We do have a quorum tonight and first on tonight's agenda is the approval of meeting minutes from May 14th, 2025, May 21st, 2025, and June 11th, 2025. and we'll tackle each um meeting minutes individually. Uh I trust that everybody on the board has had a chance to review uh the meeting minutes um May 14th, 21st, and 11th. Do I hear a motion regarding the meeting minutes of May 14th? So moved. Is that to approve? To approve. To approve. All right. A motion to approve meeting minutes dated May 14th is on table. Do I hear a second? Second. Hey Lou seconds. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Okay. Next up is um approval of meeting minutes dated May 21st, 2025. Do I hear a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve it. Warren Richelli makes a motion to approve. Second. Steve Patassi seconds. All in favor? I. Any opposed? I'm hearing none. Okay. And lastly, we have uh meeting minutes from June 11th, 2025. Do I hear an approval to approve the minutes? Motion to approve. Lou makes the motion. Do I hear a second? Second. Steve makes a second. All in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? And hearing none. Motion is approved.

Okay. Next on today's agenda um is the address of 114 Barrett Avenue. who assesses plat plat 24A lot 110 zone residential limited 10 RL10. The applicant is Patriot Builders 14010 Road exit of Rhode Island. The description is a continuence of the public hearing continued from February 2nd, I'm sorry, uh 12th, 2025. The application is for master plan review for an adaptive reuse development converting the existing two structures into 48 residential units meeting the maximum number of units per acre permitted by right for an adaptive reuse project under section 203 district use regulations of the zoning ordinance. Uh we are going to take this um uh project uh first as a lot of information um that the board requested of the applicant um was received uh very um uh punctual um today. Um I myself haven't had a chance to dive into um the information and I believe the applicant is still in process of obtaining some of the information that the board had requested our last hearing is well state your name I'm sorry for Jack McGraine for the applicant. So I did have discussion with the planning board and I guess it is 416 pages it's not 600. So, I I know that phase one environmental that we just we just received. We weren't sure I didn't think we were going to have it for the meeting, but we but we did receive it and so I understand that you you want an opportunity to be able to read through that to probably be able to ask and some other board members on here that would like probably to ask some questions about it as well. So, rather than rehashing the thing twice,

um my client's willing to continue the matter um to give you time to look at it. And um the other thing I I did mention was that um we have one of the two sewer letters from Narro Bay Sewer Commission. We still do not have the other one for the larger building. They went out there. They had to locate the pipes. Um they did that. They ran some cameras. Not to bore you with the details. We have one of the two. So I know our position again was that um we didn't think we needed that for master plan approval, but we may be able to get it. So, I I figured as long as we're continuing it on this matter, let's continue it and hopefully we'll have that other one by the time we we meet again. Thank you. So, the applicant does um uh agree to um continue the uh the public hearing um to next what's when's the next meeting? It would be the second Wednesday in August 13th, which is August 13th. August. Correct. Right. So, um yeah, we can have a motion um from the board uh to continue unless anybody feels um otherwise or has had the appropriate amount of time to review all the information that we recently received uh today. So, I'll entertain a motion to continue um the project. Again, I'll make a mo I'll um entertain a motion to continue the project based on the extreme amount of information that the board recently received. given the fact that I know myself haven't

personally haven't had any time to um review the information to um have an appropriate uh level of conversation and um discussion with the applicant or my fellow board members. I myself do not feel comfortable um being presented or hearing the information tonight or rendering an opinion. Do I hear a motion to continue? I'll make a motion to continue. Steve makes the motion to continue. Do I hear a second? I'll second it. Warren seconds. Uh we will take a roll for roll vote for this. Starting with Lou. I chair I. Okay, the eyes have it. The um project is continued to the second week of um second Wednesday of August, August 13, 2025. Thank you for the applicant for providing the extreme amount of information that this board has requested and we um encourage your efforts to continue to gain that information for us um in our uh review of the project. I do want to thank everybody if you did come out tonight to hear this project in particular. Um I thank you for your time and your patience with us. Uh the board did receive an extreme amount of information today. Uh I think every I speak for the board when I say that the board takes this project very seriously and we do want to give ourselves the time to review the information that is being presented to us so we can make the best informed decision possible for the town. Thank you. I have no idea what I can't understand. Can you speak a little or speak into the mic? I can't understand it. Is anybody else in the gallery having issues hearing me?

I can't understand. I'm sorry. Can every That's not the I'm sorry, sir. That's not the question I asked. I asked if everybody in the gallery can hear me. Yes or no? is now better to thank you. So, as I said, the board recently recently received an extreme amount of information from the applicant regarding the project on Beard Avenue today. This is information that we had asked the applicant to provide our last public hearing. The information is a lot. Me, myself, and my fellow board members who just voted to continue the project have had has we have had not enough time to review the information properly to enter into a discussion or to even hear the project. We are we if we did hear that project tonight, I would say that we were putting the town at risk in making a decision based on information that we have not had enough time to understand. And this board treats every project that we hear responsibly in a manner that we see best fit for the town. And we do not want to rush a decision based on information that we received literally hours ago. And there is nothing in the state law that prevents the applicant from submitting this information in the time that they did. I can be frustrated, which I am. However, I hope that my behavior towards the public right now is responsible and polite enough where you feel respected

and I respect your time for coming out here tonight and I can understand your frustrations. I share them, but I am not at a point where I can hear that project tonight given the fact that we've received a lot of information in a short amount of time. What is the text? August 13th. During that during that meeting, the board will make an informed decision on whether or not to listen hear the project and we will go into a discussion with whether or not we feel it is time and appropriate to vote on that project. And I am not addressing the I'm not addressing the public anymore tonight about Bayard Avenue. Next on the agenda is item number three. The address is 0 Mineral Spring Avenue, Assessor's Plat Plat 19, lots 12 401 and 42, zone Commercial General CG. The applicant is David Grandandy, 2 Jason Drive, Lincoln, Rhode Island. The description is a public hearing. The applicant is applying for a unified development plan review for master plan review to construct a take five auto repair oil change facility with request for a 12 space parking variance under section 710 minimum off- streetet parking requirements as well as a loading space variance under section 713 load space requirements and dimensions. This application also has a request to combine master plan and preliminary plan stages of review. Can you please state your name and

yeah? Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Uh John Mancini on behalf of the applicant and the owner this evening with regards to the property identified as platin 19 lots 12, 40, 41, and 42. Uh the petition before you is a major land development project. Uh and we are asking as part of our relief that the master plan review and the preliminary plan review be combined. We're also asking for uniform development review as part of the application is also a variance for two specific provisions as provided as stated by your chairman. One is a variance for uh minimum Wall Street parking and the second is a variance for loading space. The um I I have with me tonight Josh Klein from Stonefield Engineering who will go through the details of the project and the proposed site plan and the development of the parcel. The the goal here is to develop this parcel for purpose of constructing uh what's called a take five. Uh, take five is a uh oil change facility. It It is not a u It's new to Rhode Island, but not new overall. It operates in 10 different states. Has 41 facilities. This would be the second facility in the state of Rhode Island. Our first one was recently approved in Johnston. So, we're hoping that perhaps although Johnston was the first one to approve it, North Providence could be the first one to have a grand opening for for Take Five. The the idea here is that um this facility would be kind of a valet service. Uh the customers never leave their car. They essentially come to the site. They're greeted by an employee who does a take uh intake and then cues them

into the appropriate garage for purposes of their oil change. The only services that are provided at this facility would be oil change, fluid change uh and um windshield wiper change. There are no auto repairs that are being proposed here, nor will they be done here. And as I indicated the the technician/mp employee would uh take the intake address the customers and then proceed uh them through the process. And our our design uh addresses both parking and also addresses the uh queuing and site layout. We are asking for combined preliminary preliminary and and master plan um because we pretty much essentially have the entire site engineered and prepared. We did make our submission to Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management. We also made our submission to Rhode Island Department of Transportation. We're waiting for their approvals. DM has already provided us with their initial comments, all of which uh were positive and minor in nature. So, we believe that that approval would be forthcoming. So essentially, we're asking the board to allow us to combine those review stages and allow us to proceed subject to ultimately receiving the state agency approval from RI DOT and uh and DEM. Um, as far as hours of operation, uh, the the this facility would be open 7 days a week, and the hours are essentially, uh, 7:00 a.m. to, uh, 8:00 p.m. Uh, and again, our peak times would be between the hours of 3 and 6. Uh, and sometimes in the morning between, uh, between 8 and 10. I do have representatives from the company here if there are any specific questions about the company or its operation. Uh um other than that I I think it makes sense for us to hear from Mr. Klein from Stonefield Engineering.

He can uh address both the variance uh the two variances that we're requesting and specifically go through the site plan uh in our in our design and ultimately improvement for the site. So with that I I'll ask Mr. No, thank you for that introduction. I do have two questions. Um where did you say you stood you stood with um the DEM? So permit and submission both DEM and DOT have been submitted. Uh DE um DEM has provided us their comments initial comments. Those comments were not substantial. So we don't uh we don't believe it'll take any time for us to respond to them and ultimately receive their approval. Are those comments um in the package? Um no. You probably don't have the comments as of yet. Yeah, they came in today. Okay. Would the applicant be amendable to submitting those comments? Absolutely. Yeah, we and we've been we've been working with the town planner uh continuously, so we have no problem in submitting those comments and keeping the town planner uh informed as to how we proceed. Okay. Thank you. And then how about DOT? DOT is we haven't received any comments back from DOT, but the application has been made to DOT. We don't think that there would be uh any significant comments because we're not changing the curb cut. It's this property is served by an existing curb cut. Uh and the use the reason for the PAP permit physical alteration permit is because of the change in use on the site. But given our submission DOT, given our design, we think that the that the papa permit should be forthcoming. Okay. And what was the purpose of the DEM submission? DM is storm order. Okay, that was it. Yeah. Okay. So, um and I'll have and um you know Josh can can go through the site on that more specifically with you. Okay. Do you know if DEM comments on or um regulates the storage or um of any

oil or discharge of oil for the this? They do not. So, DM does have an underground storage uh tank requirement. So any anything that would be stored underground would be would require DM approval and review. That's not being that's not what takes place here at all. So there is nothing that's stored underground. Uh anything that is stored is above ground and and wouldn't implicate any type of DEM requirements or regulations. Okay. Thank you. Josh, can you state your name and credentials for the record, please? Thank you. Uh Josh Klein, Stonefield Engineering and Design, uh 56 Pine Street, Providence, Rhode Island. Um I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of Rhode Island, as well as about 10 other states. Um I may have probably presented in front of around 60 to 70 um boards in the northeast in the last two years as an expert in sight civil as well as traffic engineering. And you are s you are a registered licensed civil engineer in the state of Rhode Island. Yes. Thank you. All right. Well, I can um kind of jump into a little bit. I think Mr. Mansion did a nice job giving it giving an overview. I did hand out um a colorized exhibit. It's just it's the same site plan. Um the same site plan that was submitted, the same landscape that was submitted. We just combined them together and colorized it. Make it easy a little easier to talk through. Uh this evening, um I'm just kind of pointing to the cover sheet first. There's not too many people here from the public, but on the cover sheet, we have the aerial exhibit. I'm sure the board's familiar with the location. Um kind of was two existing buildings that were previously demolished. Um site sat vacant. looks like it was kind of stabilized and filled um but it's kind of currently underutilized or under underdeveloped. Um it's about a half an acre 454 acres. I think kind of two of

the big keys with the site as we get into kind of site design and engineering is grade change. There's about a 17 to 18 foot grade change from the top left corner down to the bottom right corner kind of the north um northwest to northeast. There's a 10- foot grade change along Mineral Spring, uh, which makes it really challenging. There's two existing retaining walls. There's one, they're kind of interconnected, but one along Mineral Springs, and it wraps around on Malcolm Street on the right hand side. Other unique feature is we have three frontages. We have Mineral Springs, DOT jurisdiction at the top of the page, Malcolm Street on the right hand side or to the east, um, and then Marramac Street uh, to the south. Um we are in the the commercial general district. It is a permitted use. So um as noted kind of before is this is just kind of a a quick lube or an oil change facility. So no kind of no auto repairs or not we're not kind of replacing brakes or fixing things. You know this is you kind of come in kind of typical oil change. You're in and out really quick. Average time is about 12 minutes. There's three bays. And again I think the key here is no one uh leaves their vehicles. The facility is, you know, overall a smaller building, 1745 square feet. Um, like I said, three bays. Um, you know, I know it was kind of mentioned during the peak hours, you know, from a traffic perspective. Again, we will have to kind of go through this with DOT. This is a low traffic generator. I mean, the peak hour during the week, 16 to 17 trips, that's 7 to eight cars on a weekend, 14 trips, seven vehicles. This is not a high traffic generator. It's a really good site. you know, it's a really good use for this site because of the challenges because of the grade change. You know, it's really difficult to access the site. You know, you you really can't come from Malcolm Street, you know, based on kind of the retaining wall. You know, where you can connect from minimal mineral springs becomes challenging because we have to kind of take into account sight lines. So, having kind of a smaller use, a smaller traffic generating use, um,

you know, fits really well on this site. I think one of the other really nice parts about this site is, you know, the amount of open space that we have here. So, you know, we can, you know, someone could come in and they could build a parking lot, you know, up to five feet along Mineral Springs. They could build a the parking lot up to five feet on Malcolm Street. Uh they could go 10 feet on Marramac Street to the south. They could go 10 feet um to the residents to the left. And and here we've kind of created a lot of open space. And that really is due to the grade change. You know, we need room to be able to kind of grade the site to kind of create a safe and flat level site um for the project. So you see a lot more open space um with this project as as you see with other projects kind of along this corridor. Um the the two areas of relief um the waiver requests that were submitted. So parking 18 spaces required, six are proposed. Um people don't leave their leave their vehicles. So the ordinance kind of contemplates an auto service center where you you go you drop off your car, you get out of your car um and you go wait into an area or they store cars overnight. Usually that's why we see um you know around that 18 vehicle mark. This is a quick loop. It's an average time of 12 minutes. People don't get out of their car. The only parking on site is needed for employees. Six spaces is more than enough for their operation. Um we've kind of shown on the plan how, you know, cars would kind of line up at the bays and kind of wait uh wait to go in. You know, during their peak time, they see about eight vehicles during that peak time. So there's plenty of room on site. this is not going to back up on mineral spring. Uh and that's also something that DOT does review. You know, they want to ensure that the the operation will will work effectively. Um and by kind of the because of the you know the unique uniqueness of the site, you know, there's we don't feel it's a good idea to add more parking. Why add more impervious? Why why increase storm water when we don't need to? Why add more pavement if we don't need it and

have the the heat island effect? So we think kind of minimizing the parking, you know, is a good fit and kind of moving in the right direction. The other item we have is loading. So a 12 foot by 60 foot loading space is required. Uh that's a WB50 or a tractor trailer. This site has small box trucks. Two times a week they have either a small box truck. Kind of think of the size of either an Amazon van, a UPS truck, you know, maybe an SU30, SU20. Um they can easily kind of pull into the site. Um we we did submit truck turns um as well. they can kind of do a kind of K turn at the back of the site and leave safely. All kind of deliveries are scheduled. Uh they're done during off- peak times. Um and they can be controlled by um the operator. So um it kind of allows for a simple operation and again avoids kind of the need to add additional impervious area um on the project. Uh a couple other kind of highlights. Uh 28 trees being proposed as part of the pro project today. The site's been clearcut. um almost 100 plants, 95 new plants are proposed as part of the project. So, kind of looking to kind of increase the landscaping on site as well. I can I'm definitely happy to go into, you know, operational side a little bit further. Um and again, we we did receive DEM comments today. Really minor in nature asking for a few, you know, additional details and things like that. And the DEM permit is just related to um because how we analyzed the site was kind of before it was demoed. Um and so this is not considered a redevelopment. It's considered a new development under DM's regulations. So in order to meet storm water and ensure we're not kind of sheet flowing water uncontrolled uh to neighboring properties, we are doing an underground storm water system. So by you know anytime you infiltrate any parking areas, you have to go to DEM for a storm water permit and water quality certification. Um again um happy to answer any questions and go into more details, but

we're excited to be here. I think, you know, we know that the owner may have talked about this project at a previous date. This is, you know, we're kind of here with a different team, but I think the same intention here is to to bring a really good operator and a really good project to an underutilized property in the town. Thank you. Does that conclude your presentation? Yes. All right. Um, first off, I do remember when this project was first brought to the uh to the board and um it it was lacking in in information specifically uh requesting a uh master and preliminary planning um approvals for a unified um review. I do want to acknowledge the fact that in this submission there is a an extreme amount of information and it was um provided to the board in what I believe a timely manner in order for us to review me specifically. I'm speaking for myself to review and be prepared for this meeting unlike the previous applicant. So thank you very much for that. Um, I do have a couple of questions related to um the the parking and how parking is going to be controlled on site for employees only and a person who's never been to this facility before. How will they know um that parking is not available for them and they should be staying in their car and navigate through the site? It's a great question. So there are some other con concepts similar to it but we do understand right people are new to it. So as part of you know the the building almost in some ways acts as directional as well. Um so there are signs um there's one sign on

the front of the building that faces Mineral Springs um that says they have a kind of stay in your car sign. So, kind of the front of the building has that. Um, and then as you kind of there are directional signs kind of around kind of pointing to the entrance, like how to get to the facility. And then the um sign along the back of the building, which kind of faces where you would pull up to the bay, also kind of says oil change, stay in your car um to help kind of ensure people do so. Okay. How about um assigned how about signage assigned for the the parking spaces themselves? Will there be any signage indicating that the parking is for employees only? No public parking. I understand the signage um uh design intent to keep people in their cars. Um but what will prohibit them from trying to park? Yeah, they they don't have an employee only parking signs. I don't think, you know, that would be a a big ask from the applicant if it's something the board would want to see. Um, you know, we do we do see in kind of their other operations, you know, people really kind of quickly follow in line. There's there's people employees working in the bays that will help guide people. So, I know it's not a a problem they face, but if it makes the board feel more comfortable, you know, having a couple of those signs, Mr. Chairman, I can add a little more light to that. As I indicated at the onset, um, one of the employees, the technician will will ultimately be on site and the purpose of that technician is to do the so-called intake. And so they'll be directional. They'll they'll inform the customer to essentially stay in their stay in their car, we'll direct them into the appropriate lane. If someone needs to park for whatever reason, I'm sure that they'll coordinate that. But that's normally unusual that someone comes in and parks because there's no reason to park. there's no reason to stay. There's it's not a retail facility. They're not buying

anything. They're just going in for a service. And so that technician's one of the responsibility is essentially to coordinate the queuing, coordinate the the flow and ensuring that there's a seamless activity at the site. Sure. I know before you stated that um this is the second um proposal in in Rhode Island. Um, are there are there other facilities in New England or colder weather climates that aren't conducive to technicians staying outside for a very long time? So, so there there are sites in uh New Jersey, there are sites in Pennsylvania. Um, hold on. Okay. So, they're they're they're in New Jersey, they're in Pennsylvania, they're in New York. um North Carolina, which is a little warmer here, but certainly New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York have similar climates as we do and similar attitudes too, I should add, which is, you know, we'll do whatever we want to do type of type of mentality, but but we they have a good way of of ensuring that everything remains seamless. Thank you. Um can you tell us a little bit about the storm water management system um and how it will perform and specifically um what the the structure um facing Marramax Street is and how that will perform as well. Yeah, no problem. So um there is a it's an underground storm water management facility. So, we're capturing the parking area on the roof. Um, we're going to pre-treat it through hoods and sumps with the catch basins, and there's an isolator row that kind of helps pull out any suspended solids. Um, and then that system kind of captures the water and kind of slowly infiltrates it in the ground. The um the it's considered kind

of a rip wrap or a scour hole that's shown in the lefth hand column. So as water kind of slowly leaves the system um it fills up the scour hole and kind of bubbles um down along that landscape area along the frontage of the site. So today um water pretty much flows uncontrolled and it's all concentrated in that bottom right hand corner where Marramac and Malcolm Street meet. Um so you know what we want to look to do is ensure that we're capturing it, infiltrating some of it in the ground and then slowly releasing the rest of it. So we're reducing both kind of peak runoff as well as volumes on site. Okay. So there will be some water that runs off the site through the um through the rip wrap discharge. Correct. Okay. um the curbing that's around the the um paved areas, is that all um is that curbing that has a reveal and creates somewhat of a of a boundary around the the parking area or is any of that curbing flush that will allow sheet flow to um I'm sorry that allows that will allow water to sheet flow off of the the um the pavement onto the grass area. So it's all you know full height 6-in reveal curving. So all the payment area will be kind of sent to the storm water system. Um and then what we did look to do is kind of ensure that even the open space areas we're not sending any water kind of to any neighbors directly. Um and what we don't want to what we also want to ensure is that no water is flowing over one of these retaining walls. So we've kind of graded the site to kind of help move water safely around it. you know, today some of that water, you know, if you were walking along Malcolm Street, I mean, during a rainstorm, you're probably seeing a little mini um, you know, fountain happening. Um, can you share any com any of the comments that DEM had regarding the um, uh, the underground storm water system actually discharging and like daylighting out? None of their comments

were related to the, you know, kind of type of system or kind of how we, you know, meeting the requirements. Um, one of the, you know, one of the comments that I do remember was, you know, kind of designing kind of we have kind of some swailes around the outer edge was looking at doing like a check dam to help slow water down further. Um they asked for kind of some clarifications on um on a few kind of additional calculations. Uh but nothing was kind of there was no kind of concerns with the overall design or intent. Okay. Thank you for that. Um does the board have any questions related to the I kind of took control there, but does the board have any other questions related to the um the parking variance or the the storm water management? Go ahead. uh the retaining wall that you are are proposing on the site. Um what's the height of it and would it uh cause any uh sight distance issues for vehicles uh uh exiting uh Malcolm Street onto Middle Spring Avenue or even vehicles exiting the site. So the the retaining wall around the perimeter is is all existing. We're not proposing any kind of new retaining walls on the perimeter. Um, we do have kind of a small kind of drop in grade on the other side of the fence by the trash enclosure, but there's no proposed retaining walls as part of the project. Those exist today. Um, and that's something we have kind of shown on the plan for DOT, but we have shown the sight lines as well at the driveway. Thank you. To add on to Lou's question about the retaining wall. Sorry, Warren. Um there there is an existing stair cut into one of those retaining walls um off of Malcolm Street. Um is there any improvement or um scope related to those stairs as part of the project? So initially we were we were intending

to kind of leave them there. Um it it's it's always interesting on paper it seems like this large staircase or significant height. It's really like 18 inches when you're out there. So we were intending to leave it. Um, you know, we're working, um, you know, our understanding is the utilities are stubbed there today. Um, so we may not even have to go into Malcolm Street to make the connection. Um, but if we did have to, it's I mean, the the retaining walls in that area is only about 12 to 18 inches. They would just kind of repair it in place. Is there any appetite to um remove the the stairs because you are promoting a business where um the clients stay in their car? Um, it's a I I would say it's a non-pedestrian business and stairs entering the site off of Malcolm Street definitely invites pedestrians onto your property. Yeah, I mean I you know I it's it's not something I know you know our team looking at it we had a a heavy concern with. It's a pretty minor area. I mean if we the board wanted to see us kind of just remove that little section um again you know we don't wouldn't have an objection with that. Is it is is feas is it feasible? Is that a fair enough question to remove the stairs? It's something I think we could, you know, maybe if if it is feasible without compromising the wall. Um, you know, that would be something we could look at. I think my our only concern would be if there's, you know, depending on kind of rebar kind of interconnections. Um, but another option would be we could put, you know, some type of barrier like a little piece of fence. I don't know if the might not be the look we go for, but I think if it's feasible, we could kind of at least remove the steps and infill those. Warren, I'm sorry I interrupted you. comment questions part of my question. Oh, uh going back to street um with the plans that I am seeing it looks like the retaining wall is on the street property, not on your property. Is that true?

Correct. Yes. Okay. What is the height of that wall uh between Malcolm Street and the finish grade on the top of the wall? All right, let's see. We're diving in. Um, is there any question? Is there any specific So, it does change. That's the why we while we go along Malcolm Street. Malcolm is slopes downward towards Mineral Springs Avenue if I remember correctly. It's high. Yeah. Higher. That's a granite wall. A granite rubble wall. Um, and is that three, four, five, six feet high? uh at Mineral Spring Avenue. So at the the tallest point is at the corner of Middle Mineral Spring and Malcolm. Um you're correct. I mean it's about maybe four or five feet at that highest point and then it kind of tapers off as you go south down Malcolm Street and it tapers off as you go west kind of up. Do you think we have or should have a requirement for fencing there or solid abberiety or uh just so that people wouldn't be tempted to jump the wall? So the I mean the pedestrian path is on the low side. So the you know the high side would be kind of on the property. So I don't you know we don't have to worry about like a public a public safety issue. Um, you know, there's no um unless they take the stairs. Yes, the stairs, which which will be removed. Um, go, but there's really no kind of pedestrian paths around the building. People aren't getting out of their cars. You can't walk up to this building and render any type of service. So, only people out of their cars here are are the employees. Okay. And the other thing I've tried to do over the years is uh restrict signage

that people from the street would probably never see. And I'm looking at the driveway side of this here. Um the next door neighbor is a uh A-frame building right at the sidewalk up front. So coming down the hill, you would never see that sidage. Uh, and I I wouldn't I would kind of ask that the signage on that side of the building be removed. So, one of the um one of the changes and it is it was reflected on the the plan that I I have up here tonight is uh for the prototypical elevation that the prototypical sign package that we were given by the vendor show the signs on this side. Those signs were meant to be on this side of the building signs on that side. I see no problem. So they won't Yeah, I think you you were thinking exactly how the applicant was thinking where those signs on that side on the lefthand side would not have been effective. They were meant to be on the right hand side. So that that does reflect that. Do you have any more questions at this time for the applicant? Uh, one other question. I'm looking at this here and I hate to see more pavement, but I'm seeing a lot of um um I'm seeing a lot of grass and evergreens that have to be maintained. Um, is this a highly manicured thing or is this something that's typic

[Music] Does the franchise require that they keep the they Yeah, this the sites will be professionally maintained. So, they want to ensure a high-end finish. Okay. from a maintenance just just to follow up on Warren's question just related to maintenance from a um on the landscaping from a maintenance perspective the the slopes and or grading that are proposed can they um uh accommodate the proper equipment to maintain the the grass they can so I know uh you know on the grading plan there's a lot of lines but in reality they're you know two to three two to three to one slopes which are pretty standard. Yep. Um across the industry. Okay. Steve, any question? Uh yes. Can you talk a little bit more about operations and can you let us know the hours of operation? Um so 7 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. 7 days a week. Then anything specific on the on the operation side? No, just in general. Um give it a run through again. Um, so again, 7 days a week, 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Um, about four to five employees are expected on a peak shift. Um, you know, again, maybe maybe six, but that's why we have the six parking spaces. U passenger vehicles only. No, you know, that includes vans, but this is not a fleet service, so you can't bring a box truck here to get your oil changed. It's really meant for for the general public. Um, deliveries only twice a week. largest trucks, a box truck, no tractor trailers, they're usually smaller, a lot of like vans and things like that. The facility has control over all delivery times, so they kind of set when they come. They're done during off peak times. Um, and I think it was mentioned

earlier, the peak that they see is about eight cars. Those hours are 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. during the week or 4 to 6 pm and then weekends 1 to 4 pm. But, um, from the traffic engineering side, it's, you know, a really low low traffic generator. removal of the oil. Yeah. So they um everything is um contained on site. So it's all Mr. Manini mentioned it. Nothing's underground. It's all above ground and then they sit in containment area. So it's kind of a concrete curbed containment system um to ensure no, you know, no potential spills like that. Um no no drain within that concrete curb. There's no there's no floor drains at all on site. everything is completely contained. So there's no way that kind of oil can exit the facility, right? So oil stay in the barrels and the barrels stay within a um a a recessed concrete pad that has a curb around it and there's no drain in there. Yes. Thank you. Yep. Um and then um they 100% of the used oil and oil filters are reclaimed and recycled. They use OSHA certified used oil recycling companies. So professionals to kind of manage any any waste. Um and then as noted, you know, new new oil is also stored kind of in separate containment systems and then within an actual above ground and then in a containment bay. Um did you did you ask I'm sorry. No, I was just wondering if you asked um what the the frequency of um oil pickup and oil delivery is. Just for the record, one to two times a week. Thank you. I have one other question. I remember

when we were talking about this a year ago or whatever. Uh there we were talking about the used oil capacity and that that was regulated by DEM. Could you do you know what that capacity is? What that maximum is just for the board's knowledge? So I I for this facility I I couldn't give you that exact number. You know they'll have to comply with all DM requirements. You know I I do know um you know they tend they have you know just from kind of some of their their background um you know they have almost two and a half to three times the amount of containment compared to what they're storing at the facility. Okay. I just was wondering what the state Yeah, that oil my area civil traffic kind of making these beautiful projects come to life is more my focus. Okay, that you brought up traffic. Um I'm just reading through the staff report and it states, sorry, my computer's frozen. Um item N says the applicant received a reertification of their traffic study which accounts for the change in proposed use of the property. Memo dated July 20th, 2024, written by PAR Corporation states, PA Corporation is of the opinion that this new proposed development will not have any significant impact on the capacity and safety of the surrounding road work roadway network. Um, is is anybody from PAR here tonight that could speak to that traffic study? No one's from PAR

here tonight, but I did review kind of the study that they're prepared. So, um, some of the references I made are are in it. Our office, you know, does traffic engineering for this this user as well as many users throughout the state. So, we're very comfortable to talk about it, but in their conclusion, we agree there would there would be no impact. And has that report that reertifi that reertified report been submitted to the town planner for the record? I believe it was. Yes, it was. Okay. It's just not in our email packet. Um yeah, we have I haven't seen the staff report. Um but I'm happy to speak if there are any comments in there. I'm happy to address them. Okay. Um so staying with traffic, but just being really logical. Um you mentioned you have about eight cars at peak time. That's about on average they say that's about, you know, what the peak that they would see. Okay. three in the bay, three outside is six, and then we've shown on the plan, um, you know, an additional two, four, five. Um, and there's plenty you could probably fit another, you know, five to eight cars before you even get close to the road. Okay. So, what if you have three cars in your in the facility, can you give us what the estimated um number of cars that can queue in the site is? So we we showed just kind of running a single lane queuing um which they in theory could do double but um you know three six nine 12 probably 15 with only doing a single lane of queuing. Um if you did a double lane you could probably get another you know five to seven cars but it's about I see it now. So, it's about Wait. One, two, three. It's It's about eight to the um bottom lefthand corner of the Yeah. Yep. Then again, this drive

that's one of the nice, you know, parts about this layout um is kind of having those bays behind it gives us a really nice circulation. We don't have, you know, sometimes you see like the drive-through lane starts right when you get into a site and that always makes us nervous as traffic engineers. This is a case where you're really, you know, you have kind of a nice line um to kind of get to the base. How about how about leaving the site now? Um I don't know if you've had the pleasure of driving on Mineral Spring Avenue. Um it's not very pleasurable. Um but how about leaving the site? Um do you know how many cars could actually quue to leave the site? And so that's one question. And then the second question is um your your outbound lane going on to Mineral Spring Avenue. Um, is that uh a right-hand turn only or is that left? Is are you restricting the direction of that outbound lane? Um, so there's no restrictions. There is a kind of a two-way turn lane there. I have, you know, personally been to the site. I've driven the road many times. So, um, you know, Mineral Springs, we understand, I mean, it has its challenges, right? I But, you know, that's where having a use like this, I think, is strategic for this type of property. you know, there's permitted uses in this zone that could generate a lot more traffic, you know, at this location. Um, so we think that's, you know, one of the reasons it's such a good fit. Um, but you there's no restrictions you can make the left or the right. You know, we when we start talking about, you know, during the weekday peak hour, you know, in in PAR's report, they talked about um I believe the number was um the highest number in their report was 17 trips. Um, so we're really looking at, let's say, eight to nine cars. Um, you know, over over 60 minutes, you're talking about, you know, one car every six to seven minutes. So, there's really not going to be a queue or it's not a Chick-fil-A, it's not a Starbucks. I mean, it's a low low traffic generator. And what's the number of cars that could that the site could potentially

accommodate queuing to leave the property? Yes. So, I mean, kind of approximating it, you know, I would say you could probably fit one out of each door. So that's three, you know, four, um, at least five, kind of just looking at the plan. Okay. Um, gentleman with his hand up. Do you mind coming up to the microphone and stating your name and um, my name is Dez Roberts. I'm I'm one of the owners of the franchise group um, EV Partners Quickly with the Carolinas. Uh, and I'm a board member. Um, one important point I wanted to add as it relates to um, outgoing traffic. We're going to have a technician from the minute that they come in, direct them into Q, offer them a bottle of water, and then, you know, set each customer in Q. When they're leaving, we will have a technician direct them out of Q as well. And we will not release cars out of the bays until we've got, you know, the exit cleared. We're not going to let a bunch of cars stack up like that. If that makes sense. That does make sense. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, thank you. Make sure um just we were not going to have a bunch of people, you know, stacking up without being controlled. Thank you very much. Um regarding the I'm sorry uh regarding the um the variance for the the loading zone. I know you indicated that the the required loading zone is above and beyond um uh what this operation um requires meaning the the space. Is that correct? It's not only the size, just the the need for it, you know, the I mean, it's a 1,700 square foot building. Um, two deliveries a week. I mean, and, you know, to accommodate a completely separate, you know, area only reserved for loading u

would, you know, provide a lot of unnecessary impervious surfaces. But you do have um smaller sized vehicles or equipment um delivering to the to the site. Correct. Correct. which which makes, you know, makes them able to kind of maneuver easily kind of through the site and not impede any any traffic, right? Would the the applicant be amendable to submitting a um a cut sheet on what type of delivery trucks are will frequent the site most likely just for the record? Yeah, we we did submit a truck to I believe to Brent, an SU30, um which would be the largest vehicle. If if it didn't make its way, we can always we can as a condition, we would just resend it. It's no big deal. We have it ready to go. Thank you. Um, in the business hours again, what time do you guys close? At 8:00 p.m. 8:00 p.m. Um, so in the in the winter time, um, obviously the the sun sets a lot earlier, right? Maybe 4:30 at the at the earliest. So, um what's the applicant's um approach to sort of managing um uh headlights um from the property beaming into the surrounding residential neighborhood specifically uh along Marramax Street and possibly even even Malcolm Street. I know you have a row of arborites there. However, um, with the grade change, I'm not 100% confident or sure that those Abravites would would block headlights that are up at the the parking or I'm sorry, at least at the um the the elevation in which the vehicles will will drive in. Yeah. No, correct. You know, the totally understand where you're coming from. Yeah. And over time, the arboritees will grow up and definitely provide that screen on the the west side or the lefth hand side. I know the resident has a has kind of a

solid fence along his property line um that he just recently replaced. I mean something we could look to do is is you know even shift that row of arborites up the hill um you know kind of to provide some better kind of screening day one. Um, and depending on the location of the storm water basin, if we can't fully achieve that, we could always look at kind of going with like a more traditional boxwood, you know, headlight screen, maybe in some strategic areas where the cars kind of make that turn. Yeah. So, if you go higher, your your planting can be lower versus if you go higher with meaning if you plant your vegetation higher in elevation, closer to where the the cars are, that plant doesn't have to be necessarily as tall. But if you want to do plantings at the bottom of the hill, you'd have to have a tall plant in order to block those headlights. I I think it's a um it would be a very neighborly thing to do um to, you know, revise the landscaping plan to um help ensure um headlights are are blocked from the the neighborhood. Definitely. On the uh parking spaces, uh you're proposing six parking spaces and four or five employees. Um, would you anticipate the need for some visitor parking like a district a district manager come into the site to inspect or uh a delivery service or food to the employees? You know, are you going to be able to accommodate any kind of visitor parking? Yeah, they they they don't anticipate needing any more than six spaces. Um, you know, they they don't even plan to kind of use all six spaces. Um, you know, again, it people can't get out of their cars, cars, things like that. No, I understand they don't get out of the car. I'm I'm I'm referring to

unexpected visitors that that could come to the site that would have to have a a parking spot. Everything Everything would be planned. So, any type of inspection like that would be planned. They'd ensure they have parking. Some of the employees, I think, you know, you know, not always, you know, drive. There's people that either get dropped off, might use kind of ride share services, but we're very comfortable with six spaces. Uh we feel that's more than more than adequate to serve the use. Thank you. Uh reading through the staff's comments. Um it says uh project received water availability letter from Providence Water dated May 29th, 2024. Sew a a sewer availability letter from Naragans at Bay Commission dated May 29th uh 2024. Um th those letters aren't submitted or not included in the in the packet. However, the staff did make comment on it. Um can you verify that is correct? That is correct. Yep. They confirm water and sewer is available. Okay. Um item D in the staff comments says the drainage plan shows a large underground storm water recharge system in the rear of the property to catch all roof and parking lot runoff with an overflow to a scour hole in the rear of the property. the system was certified by and then it's it's blank in our um in our report. So the the staff may not have um it looks like the staff accidentally omitted who that who certified that system. So our office prepared the plans and the report. They're both stamped by myself and then DM they're kind of in the process of being permanent by DM. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Also in the staff report, I'm sorry. Um, so you don't have a copy of the staff report? No. No. We work well on the fly though. I'm happy to take a peek at it. Yeah, we're going to give you it right now because this is a I think want to make sure you guys are aware of another variance that looks like you need to seek other in addition to the offseite parking and load space income. Thank you. So on page two, um item L Um yeah that I this we have not talked about this with um town staff. Um I know in our initial calculation that was submitted um we we reviewed and kind of confirmed that per each frontage um the signage you know is permissible. we have kind of the the total frontage um for each side. Um, I think what we, you know, what we could do, we can do um what we would propose uh is for us to revisit the signage and if we need the relief, we can return for the

relief. uh and we could modify the relief such that under the new state statute we may fall into that 15% modification regarding the square footage because it looks like we're deficient by 43 square feet. So if we can't make up the 43 square feet we can come close to it. Our obligation is to seek the least relief necessary anyhow. So we can do that for final. Okay. All right. So um what what I I just want to repeat what I heard. So, right now the the applicant is not asking um for the board to review the uh proposed signage and the and the applicant is not requesting the board to make a decision on the proposed signage in order to um either request relief or to approve it. So, you are omitting the signage from the proposal. Thank you. I and this way we don't have to, you know, readvertise or do any of that. I think that's a great idea. Thank you. Um, do you have anything else to add to your presentation? I do. If I can just ask two simple questions of Josh, uh, related to the variances we are seeking, which is the variance for parking and the variance for loading. Um Josh, can you just confirm for the board that the relief we're seeking is the lease relief necessary and secondly that if the variances were not to be granted that it would amount to more than a mere inconvenience for the project and for the design of the project? Um yes, that is the case. And as you've previously testified, you're comfortable and confident that the spaces which we will be providing would be necessary to accommodate the use and u be consistent with that use at this site, particularly this location. Uh yes, it would be Thank you. At this point, we have nothing further. Mr. Chair,

thank you. Answer any questions the public may have. Sure. Um, I was going to bring it back to the board one more time. Do you guys have any other questions for the applicant while they're standing at the podium? No. Okay. Thank you very much, gentlemen. And and thank you for a copy of the staff report. Yeah. You're welcome. Uh we'll open up the meeting to um hear comments from the public. If anybody from the public is here to uh comment on the um application that we are currently uh reviewing, you may do so now. The time is 7:15. Great. There is uh nobody left from the public here. So we'll close the time for public comment and the time is 7:15. Um um my fellow board members uh do we have any discussion that we would like to have related to this project? Um I do just want to before if we do just want to kindly remember remind everybody that uh the applicant is here for a unified development plan review for master plan review should say master plan you're here for preliminary as well correct okay so applicant for a unified I'm just reading this from the agenda applicant for unified development plan review for master plan review to construct the take five auto repair oil change facility with request for a 12 space parking variance under section 710 minimum off- streetet parking requirements as well as loading space variance under section 713 loading space requirements and dimensions. This application also has a request to combine master plan and

preliminary plan stages for review. So, um the board my my uh understanding is that the um we are combining master and preliminary um reviews of for the project and that the relief requested for parking spaces and for the loading space requirements um is subject to our decision. Uh the applicant does not have to go to the zoning board. I have that correct. Okay. Okay. Any discussion? Another reminder is that the applicant has withdrawn the um the signage portion of the project from tonight's review. So, we will not be uh reviewing or discussing commenting or making a decision on any of the any of the signage. I will say accept the applicant's testimony that there is signage included in in the design that um navigates cars through the site where the customers are to stay in their to remind the customers to stay in their car. And also the applicant has seemed to agree that signage being posted at parking spaces for that indicates for employees only will be implemented into the project. Is that is that correct? Yes, that is correct. Thank you. Um, furthermore, the applicant has also

agreed to um actually Warren, you brought up a good point. If that retaining wall is not on their property, I don't know what they do with that with those stairs. What do you do if you want those stairs gone? Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Is there there stairs on Mirram? There are stairs on Mirram. No, but it looks like the 10 feet from the property. Yes. If I may, Mr. chairman through the chair. So there there are some stairs on Malcolm Street. It looks like there's probably a former house there because they're they're small residential stairs. And as long as DPW permits it, we don't have a problem in removing that and kind of kind of closing that off because it's not ours. They look like they're with the coordination and in um review and approval with DPW. DPW. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So, as long as there's no objection from DPW, um we can work uh collaboratively with them because they're they look like they're remnants of a residential dwelling. Thank you. Thank you. Um the applicant has also um uh is amendable to um strategically locating excuse me um appropriately sized plantings to um help minimize if

not um remove any sort of uh light pollution um generated by uh headlights um from the site into the neighboring um properties. And the applicant has also agreed to submit or um cut sheets on the small scale van or box truck deliveries. However, in your presentation, you noted that we we I believe we've already submitted them to the planner, but we'll we'll do that as part of final. Okay. Um so as the applicant has presented tonight and um during discussion with the applicant, they have um I think cooperated with our questions and and requests um in uh in in improving the um property for our town and community. Um, do I hear a motion? So, so if I may through the chair, what we would respectfully request is essentially three motions, three votes. One to combine the master plan with preliminary plan and the second for the approval of the master plan, preliminary plan for final to be done administrative subject to your conditions and then a third vote separately for the variance. Varianes, that's correct. Thank you. Just one clarification. Uh the fact that that existing retaining wall appears to be on town property. Should there be an agreement between the property owner in the town to allow that to remain on town property either.

It sounds like the applicant's willing to coordinate with DPW to do so. So if the board wants to make make that motion contingent on some on some plans with DPW, I think that would be sufficient. I think the work being done is pretty minor. So, I don't foresee an issue with that. Okay. It's just they are using town property for their their site. It doesn't sound like my understanding is that they're not using town property on their site. This is they are budding some town property and I think they're making an improvement to town property with the permission of the town. So, as long as they get permission. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Just just so I'm just so it's clear for the record. So, we're not using any town property and we it's not our intention to incorporate any town property as part of our site. It just happens that um there is something on town property that may affect our property. So, as a result, specifically regarding those stairs on Malcolm Street, we're amendable to coordinating with DPW to to find a resolution to close those out or to eliminate them. But, we certainly won't do anything without first collaborating with the town. And there's there's a there is a condition I that I did see in your staff report that says that we're not to do any type of construction until we get all our permits in place and we'll coordinate with DPW when we do and when we're ready for construction. Yeah. Just the issue uh if it ever has to be repaired whose responsibility will it be to repair the town or will it be the uh the property owner that is using so so it would be the town because it's not on our prop it's not our property. it's not being used by us. Um it's it's outside of our parameters. But we'll coordinate on as part of this, we'll coordinate on kind of closing those, you know, those issues out so that way there minimizes whatever town maintenance responsibilities or

continued u u issues can arise from it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Right. So um thank you for reminding me that we actually have uh three motions to um entertain. So uh the the applicant is seeking a combined um to combine master plan and preliminary plan. Um staff report does not object to uh any of the information or lack thereof of information um that would uh restrict the um board from um or advising the board to restrict um reviewing this project um concurrently master and preliminary. Um so the do I hear a motion to combine master planning and preliminary planning for this project. So moved. Okay. Steve made the motion. The motion is on the table for a second. Second. Lou seconds. U. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Hearing none. So um motion passes 4 to zero. Um that we will uh review this project under uh master and preliminary um plan stages. Thank you. What do you expect the um lead time to be before construction and opening? So, so we're hopeful that within the next 30 days we can get our final plan in for administrative final plan approval. And once we have that, then we'll proceed on on um um you know, getting our construction team lined up and proceeding. Probably should, if all

goes well, probably within 90 days to start construction. Yeah. Yeah. As I as I said at the beginning, we we we you know, Johnston was the first to approve one and we think that North Providence could be the first opening, so we're ready to move that quickly. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Juan. Good question. Um, okay. So, the second uh vote tonight is um now that we are reviewing the project under uh master and preliminary uh approvals um given the uh discussion with the I'm going to go over everything that I said about five minutes ago. Given the discussion with the applicant um and the board, uh the applicant has um agreed to um so the applicant has agreed to uh sorry remove the um signage portion of the project from from the design and submit at a later date with the exception of the signage that is um necessary. neessary for customers to know to stay in their car and for the signage that is necessary for customers to understand that um there is no customer parking on site. um that the applicant has agreed to coordinate and work with uh DPW if it's permissible to um remove the existing stairs on Malcolm Street um for betterment of the project and for the town and um replace with either a retaining wall or some sort of barrier to prevent pedestrians from entering the site via the stairs.

The applicant has also agreed to um rework their landscape plan um to strategically locate the um appropriate size and location of plants that will prohibit um light pollution resulting from um headlights of the cars that are on the site. And if there is no if the town planner does not have record of um the vehicular um traffic pattern related to the um delivery trucks or vans that will be making the deliveries. Um the applicant has agreed to uh provide that and also a cut sheet um of the um typical vehicles that would be used for deliveries to the town planner. Do I hear a motion in favor of the applicant as presented with the um conditions agreed to during the meeting? So move. Steve made the motion. The motion is on the table. Do I hear a second? Second. Blue seconds. Uh all in favor? I. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion has passed. Four to zero. And last but not least, unified development. We get to beat the zoning board tonight. Um, so I'm sorry. I thought you No, no, go ahead. Um so the applicant has requested relief

on uh requested relief for 12 parking spaces um under which were would be required under section 710 minimum off streetet parking requirements and the applicant has do you guys want to combine these or do you want to um you know we'll approve them one at a time. Um so the so one variance is for um 12 off streetet parking spaces under section 710 minimum off- streetet parking requirements. Um do I hear a motion to approve the relief? So moved. Steve made the motion and the motion is on the table. Do I have a second? A second. Warren seconds. Um all in favor? I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion passes 4 to zero. Um last vote of for this applicant. Um applicant is seeking seeking relief um for a loading space um under section 713 load loading space requirements and dimensions. Do I hear a motion to in favor of this uh relief? So moved. Steve makes the motion. Do I hear a second? Second. Lou seconds. All in favor? I I Any opposed? I'm hearing none. The motion has passed. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good night. Good night. Thank you. I know I said it earlier today, earlier in the meeting, but uh thank you for providing us with all the information that you guys that you guys have. Uh you guys have come a long way since the last time we saw you and uh and uh thank you very much for again being prepared tonight and allowing us to be prepared tonight.

So um you know Yeah. All right. So, last on the agenda, um we have uh applicant is Connelly Law and Associates from 123 Dyer Street, unit 3B, Providence, Rhode Island. The description is recommendation to the town council regarding a request for a zoning text amendment of section 409E expansion of buildings or structures non-conforming by dimension to allow expansion of non-conformance for multif family residential use with a special use permit. Is the applicant present? The applicant is not present. However, um Angelica, would you like to um inform the board of your discussions today? I did have an opportunity to speak with attorney Dylan Connley, who is the applicant's attorney for this project. Um, based on our discussions and the fact that our planner was sick this evening, um, and unavailable to answer any staff comments or questions, um, and because I did speak with the applicant, I do think it would be prudent to continue this matter to the next hearing to allow the applicant to respond and and have some further discussions. Okay. So, the applicant was made aware that Brent wasn't here um and therefore elected not to come, assuming that we would continue. Um I I I don't have any issues with continuing the the matter. Um I don't feel comfortable making a vote on this tonight one way or the other. Um, I don't know if anybody else um feels

strongly about this and um uh uh differently from I. If if so, I'm more than willing to listen, but if not, I'll kindly entertain a motion to continue. Yeah. So, I'll kindly entertain a motion to continue. to the August meeting dated 13th. Thank you. I'll make a motion to continue to August 13th. Okay. Steve has made the motion to continue. Do I hear a second? Second. Warren seconds. Uh all in favor? I. Any opposed? I'm hearing none. Motion passes to continue to August 13th for nothing. Um, do I hear a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Steve makes the motion. Do I hear a second? Second. Blue seconds. All in favor? I. Any opposed? On uh that concludes our uh meeting. The time is uh 7:35 p.m. work as usual. You're a great chair. Thank you. Just one more. Uh, Frank, are you still on? If so, you can stop the recording and end the broadcast, please. Does that do it?

Oh, no. I I don't mind. I was fighting. was called Frank. Oh, did you? Yeah. That's why I didn't answer.