City Council - workshop

Because they don't actually vote on anything in a workshop. They just discuss it. Oh, okay. But it's up to the mayor's discretion to decide if he wants to allow public comment.

Okay. Thanks.

Okay, thank you.

I call the meeting to order and ask the clerk to call the roll.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Mayor Baldwin? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Thomas? Here. Councilman Collins?

Here.

Councilman Cohen?

Here.

Councilwoman McCombie? Here. Councilman Skidmore?

Here.

Councilwoman Weber? Here. Mayor, you have a quorum. Thank you.

So we will move into a discussion. regarding potential ordinance to establish regulations for operation of food trucks within the city of North Myrtle Beach. Jim, you're going to start this?

Mayor, let me interrupt for a second. I'm going to recuse myself for this meeting. My son-in-law is an investor in a food truck, not in this area, but in a food truck, so I'm going to recuse myself.

I understand. Mayor, may I ask for a moment of silence for Allison's family, and I'll say a quick prayer. Dear God, Heavenly Father, we just ask that you be with Allison and her family in this time. We just ask for your comfort and your love, and thank you for each day that you give us. These things we pray in Jesus' name. Amen.

Amen.

So, Council, food truck ordinance. We've talked about it over the last year and a half or so. It's a topic that comes up. It's obviously... The city, a lot of our events, we have food trucks. The farmer's market on Fridays, they have food trucks. We have HOAs and organizations that have approached us or had events where they have private gathering that's not open to the public, but they'll have a food truck at their own event, and it's It's obvious that there's a lot of activity that takes place in the city that involve food trucks and I think we all perceive it as a positive It's just that our ordinance as it currently reads does not It doesn't lend for that type of activity to take place. So what we've talked about we've we've talked about it for a long time a lot of staff has been involved but Jim would Sarah would Suzanne Pritchard, they're leading the effort on this, but we're trying to put together something that will allow for what currently takes place, regulate it, and then the possibility of expanding it and allowing a little bit more of that activity. So that's really what this presentation is about today, to kind of go over where we're at, where we're thinking about going, and then kind of get your input on how you feel about it and how comfortable you are with certain aspects of it. So with that, I will turn it over to Jim, and I'll get you up to speed.

Thank you, Ryan. As city manager mentioned, council, our ordinance today is extremely limited as far as what food trucks can do. And it's basically states that if you own a restaurant in town, you can prepare food and deliver it to a job site. That's pretty much the extent of our ordinance right now. So we don't allow food trucks to go and set up and do commercial sales or some of the other activities that the city manager mentioned. We've been working on this issue for a little over a year now, just trying to research what other communities do, and there are a great number of other communities that allow these. I think we're probably in the minority in that we have not changed our ordinances yet to allow this. um so one thing i want to point out today is it's important to note for especially for members of the audience we are not voting on an ordinance today or proposing an ordinance today we have a working draft that we've been tweaking over the last few months and that will present to council at a future meeting but today what we would like from a staff level is to get some guidance on five key issues that that come up and that are commonalities in all of these ordinances to see how council wants us to proceed with these and um so let's see you want to do that So again, why why proposing ordinance right now we we don't allow food trucks to operate commercially in the city. And if we adopt an ordinance that would create a mobile food vendor permit system. It would establish where these food trucks may operate and it would set operating and safety standards and create a consistent review process. So the five questions that we are seeking council input on today to guide us in finishing up this ordinance or should private invitation-only events be exempted from a permit? And an example of that would be, let's say, if an HOA in a community decided that they wanted to have an event for their residents and they wanted to invite two or three food trucks to set up in their amenity area and have their residents come and enjoy that kind of activity. should that be something that requires a permit or should it be exempt from the permit because the intermittent nature of these things it's you know it's unlikely that they would happen often and and they're generally not going to be available for um you know public sales to the to the general public so it's more of an invitation only event by an hoa should that be allowed and should it be exempt from having to get the commercial permit that's question number one question number two should the city establish a permit cap both on the absolute number of permits that we offer in a given calendar year whether you know right now our ordinance says 20 but that's not there's nothing magic about that number um i think horry county for example allows 50 with a much larger geographic area And then should we cap the number of food trucks that can set up on any one individual site? And then should there be a separation requirement from existing brick and mortar restaurants? And then how should our permit fees be structured for these permits? So those are the key policy questions we're seeking your guidance on today. uh... all existing regulations that we have for uh... for food trucks would still be followed regardless of whether it was an exempt permit permitted truck or or uh... one that would require a permit and those things are such as they would all be required to have business licenses they would have to meet DHEC food safety standards They would have to go through fire inspection process, and our fire department is ready and able to do that, and they know exactly what to look for to inspect these units. We have special event permits right now that are run through Parks and Rec where food trucks are invited, so all of those rules and regulations would still apply. and then alcohol licensing this the state of south carolina does not allow you to sell or offer service of alcoholic beverages from a mobile food vending truck so that that would still apply So point number one, or actually these are some of the things that we would propose exempting from the commercial style permit. City sponsored events or special events that are permitted by the city. you know because that could be something where a food truck vendor might come in for you know one of the city festivals and they that might be the only time of year or the only one time a year that they want to come to the city and operate so it doesn't make sense in our view to require a special commercial permit for that and then the private invited invitation only events on on private property that i mentioned earlier And then catering, catering's a slightly different kind of thing and that's like let's say you are having a special birthday party or anniversary celebration or a wedding at your house and you hire a food company to come in and cater that event at your private residence. That would be exempt from this permit system because those are not offering items for sale to the general public, that's just I hire you to bring your food truck onto my property for my party. so we would not require a permit for that. In our current draft, going to point number one, these ones that we're proposing to be exempt, birthday parties, weddings, HOA events at an amenity center, ice cream trucks at a daycare serving kids, should these limited events remain exempt? So that's decision point number one. Staff right now is proposing that they be exempt from the commercial style permits and we're seeking your guidance on whether you agree with that or not. And I don't know if you want me to run through the questions of all five points first or do you want to address them one by one before I move on?

Anybody got any questions or comments?

I mean, I definitely got comments. Yeah.

I think just move on and then come back.

Okay. Yeah.

All right. We're also going to, the ordinance would establish some performance standards when they set up, when food trucks set up. And they would have to, for example, they would have to remain mobile. They can't permanently affix themselves to a tow parking lot. They would have to maintain all necessary business licenses. They'd have to keep driving circulation routes and parking and handicapped access routes clear. They can't occupy required parking right now, but we're still massaging that section. And then they would have to dispose of their waste, take it with them at the end of the day. They could not hook up to any of the city's utilities or sewer lines or anything like that to dispose of their waste. They would have to keep their site free and clear of trash and debris. We're proposing at operating hours between 7 a.m. and 10 p.m. They would not be allowed in residential zoning districts. They would only be allowed in zoning districts where food service is already a permitted use and in planned development districts when those PDDs specifically state that that's a permitted use. in our current draft we're proposing twenty permits uh... per year again nothing magic about that number so we're seeking your guidance on that point that's decision point number two is that a fair number uh... is there We'll work on issues when we propose the ordinance, we'll work on issues like should there be a cap on the number of permits that any one operator can have? I mean, we wouldn't want someone coming in and buying up all 20 permits. So the decision question here is should the city establish a permit cap? And if so, is 20 the right number? uh... separation decision point number three the separation requirement we're currently proposing a two hundred foot separation requirement from existing brick and mortar restaurants i think myrtle beach is three hundred uh... the purpose of that is to minimize direct competition and like myrtle beach you could have a provision in there that says that the restaurant owner may consent to waive that for example if i if i own a if i own a restaurant and a food truck comes to me and says hey i'd like to be 180 feet from your restaurant not 200 would you give me a waiver saying you don't mind and if the restaurant Issues that waiver then they would be exempt from the 200 foot requirement at that point Myrtle Beach I think does something similar with their 300 foot requirement What about if a restaurant wanted to have a food truck at their restaurant? They that would be something that would be exempt from the have having to have their own commercial permit But yeah, they could do that I So do we have a separation requirement and is 200 feet the right number? So that's decision point number three. City of Conway, for example, has no such separation requirement. Myrtle Beach has 300. Horry County has 300. Now, along that line, I did a little GIS analysis today. I took the example of the Walmart Home Depot shopping center, and we drew a 200-foot buffer around the existing restaurants that we know to be in that center. um and that would that buffer if you enforce the 200 foot rule would leave approximately 50 of the parking area available for food trucks and it would limit them or prohibit them from the other 50 so that's just to give you an example I'm sorry, did you have a question?

So the way I'm understanding this, so if the property owner who is a restaurant wants to have a detached food truck at their property at certain times or all the time, they would be able to be right beside the building if they wanted to?

Yes. Okay. And they would not have to have the commercial-style permit. They would want to be exempt once.

Is there a business license they already have?

They would have to have the business license.

And nor would they count towards the total?

That's right. That's right. They would not count toward the cap. So, the decision point number four. should we have a maximum number of vendors per site now the the draft that we've been working on establishes two food trucks per host property uh and that's you know if if you get a desirable location and and you know five people want to set up food trucks in the parking lot is that too many so we we can see where a scenario where that might happen uh so we have Establish a to food truck per host property limit right now So the decision point number four is is that do we want to have a limit? Per property and is to the right number so be thinking along those lines And decision point number five is the permit cost. We are going to have staff time into reviewing these applications and making sure all the licensing requirements SITE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING FULFILLED. AND THEN WE ARE PROPOSING IN OUR FIRST DRAFT THIS IS THAT WE HAVE A $250 INITIAL VENDOR PERMIT WHICH WOULD COVER THEIR FIRST APPROVED OPERATING LOCATION AND THEN IF THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR WANTED TO HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY COULD OPERATE ON WITH THE CITY THEN EACH ADDITIONAL LOCATION WOULD BE A $50 ADD ON TO THAT PERMIT FEE. So the decision point here is, is that a reasonable cost for that permit?

Would that be included in the potential 20 permits allowed?

they're wanting an additional permit for their that we're gonna need to debate that a little bit more in inside the staff to come to that decision but yeah that's a fair question but we will be thinking through that again the the idea is to come up with some kind of number where no one can come in and just monopolize all the permits to to keep out the competition we don't want that to happen so we'll come up with some fair system for allocating these permits so the administration of this it will be administered through the revenue department using an online application, and then that application will be routed through the various other departments like planning and development and public safety to make sure that everyone has a chance to lay eyes on it and sign off on it. So it's multi-departmental review, and the enforcement would be through revenue enforcement officers and code enforcement officers and also fire marshal personnel. So that's the end of the presentation. So we're happy to answer any questions that you might have on this.

Where would a potential food truck be located? Not on public property. It'd have to be on a private commercial site. Is that what you're thinking?

Yes, sir. They would have to go. They could not be allowed. Well, I mean, they could be on city-owned property if the city permits it. But as far as operating from a street, no, could not do that. They would have to be on private property.

I do have one concern. So obviously our brick-and-mortar restaurants, they capitalize in tourism during the three, four months, about three months we have now. so are we going to restrict somebody from just leasing a piece of dirt having a food truck capitalizing during that time and then they're gone they don't have all the other expenses to thrive to survive through the year i mean what is your thought on that that's one of the biggest you know debating points about the desirability of food trucks is this whole competition issue with brick and mortar restaurants um

And I've asked people in the industry about that, and a lot of them say that it's a mixed bag. There are some restaurants who might be operating a little bit on the margins, and they're concerned about the competition. others restaurant owners say i welcome it because it creates an atmosphere a festive atmosphere where there's um you know food service lots of choices and it draws in more people than it otherwise would and and some of those could bleed into my restaurant so there's no there's no clear um i guess my view on it is i i don't as one council member don't see a problem if an hoa wants to invite them in if me i have a birthday party for one of my daughters and i want to have a food truck but for somebody to

lease a piece of dirt for three months and set up and compete with our brick and mortar restaurants i mean i i'm i'm not okay with that um if the city wants to have a festival and have a big food truck festival i think that's great but just sit there and compete with you know the brick and mortars that have so much more overhead um during our our small tourism window that just

Yeah, I certainly understand that point. And in one of the earlier drafts, we had put a limit on the number of days a week that a particular site could be used so that someone's not there seven days a week. And if that's a concern that council shares, then we can certainly reintroduce a limit like that.

what if it was just you allowed it only at a brick and mortar building a food truck in other words that owner of that brick and mortar building would have to ask or pull a permit to have a food truck there that day there's been a lot of restaurants I've talked to at least four that would like to have food trucks there, and I'm not exactly sure why. They're all different reasons why they want to do that for different events, different times. But there's not many places that are vacant pieces of property, but I can see where if there was one and somebody put it up near a restaurant, I agree with Councilman Skidmore, that would not be... would not think that would be you know something we ought to do but if if a restaurant wants to put a food truck in the restaurant like maybe they only serve dinner and they want to have lunch during the day or something or something like that or you have a shopping center where you have like Lowe's I think they've even I've even seen maybe they were selling hot dogs maybe that wasn't a food truck or something but people running into Lowe's and grabbing a hot dog but at a brick and mortar building where that owner of that building gets the permit. That's my thought.

I'm more on like Jose with the taco stand that goes and he sets up in a parking lot or vacant piece of property, you see it. That's more what I'm speaking on. I don't have a problem at all like you're saying with the brick and mortar business owning the food truck there.

I agree with Trey because, I mean, they're not paying impact fee or seat fee. They're not providing facilities. They're not tied into water and sewer. I mean, their overhead is so much lower that, I mean, to me, that's certainly an unfair advantage. It's somebody that's invested not only in purchase of the property, lease of the property, building a facility, maintaining a facility, and everything else that goes with it.

I kind of feel the same way. You've got a 40-seat restaurant, which is small. That's $32,000 in impact fees just for that small business. Take a 61, it just goes up there. Special events like our parades and the festivals we have downtown, we have them already. So I don't know if we just let them do that or a special permit. But I don't personally feel like I want to see a lot of food trucks in town that are permanently stationed. Special events, I think businesses, if a business wants to have an outing, have a food truck in, I think that's okay. I like that idea. But just the issue of permits for 365 to have a food truck on a leased site is not in the interest of the city or the business community.

Do you count like hot dog carts, boiled peanut stands, is that considered food? Yeah, I mean, if it's mobile, it would be.

That would be in your 20, if your proposed 20. Yeah. So if I'm hearing council consensus correctly, most of you have concerns about allowing a vendor to come onto a commercial parking lot and compete directly with a brick-and-mortar business, but you don't really have a problem with a restaurant owner having their own food truck on their site. And then you don't have a problem with the special event ones or the HOA ones.

Or a private business that wants to have an ice cream truck come over for the afternoon or lunch.

Yeah, that would be like a private event. The way the ordinance sits today, it doesn't even address any of those things that I'm hearing that you like. So it's going to require an amendment to the ordinance regardless. But if I'm hearing you correctly, you would rather us...

delete entirely the the ability for a food truck operator to come in and set up on a commercial parking lot and compete with a brick and mortar restaurant if unless i'm i mean i just i'm just trying to think outside the box here so example if you have a hot dog truck and they want to set up in the big lots parking lot we're we don't want that to happen is that what you guys are saying because i'm I'm just thinking like you're not near a restaurant, but you're saying if it's an owner of a restaurant, he should be able to take his truck and set up in big lots, but someone that doesn't have a brick and mortar can't go and set their truck up somewhere?

No, I don't think, I didn't hear it to say that you could go off premise. I heard it to say you could have your own food truck on your own restaurant site.

Okay. Like if you have big lots and big lots wanted to have a food truck there, but if they didn't want to have one there, then you wouldn't be able to just go set up in their parking lot. Right.

Of course, you have to ask for permission to understand that.

Well, even under our current draft, you would have to have property owner permission to set up. Right. Of course. Absolutely. So that shouldn't be a concern there, but... You know, every food truck ordinance, well, not every, because Conway almost seems to, they don't have a separation requirement at all, but the vast majority of food truck ordinances that allow the commercial selling do establish some kind of separation requirement to get by this idea of unfair competition, but... But it's entirely, it's a policy decision that you have to make. And if you're not comfortable, if that's a step too far right now, then we'll certainly adjust our draft to reflect your thinking.

I guess, Council, the other thing we need to ask is, like a Lowe's or a Big Lots, or do we want to, in the ordinance, that they can continue, or it be a limited amount of days?

I think we would certainly want to limit it. We wouldn't want it to be a perpetual situation, and it kind of ties back to where we really kind of started the conversation, that, you know, if... you've got a business and you're having an event or something like that, I think that's one thing. Maybe one day a week that we have the taco guy or the hot dog guy or something to that point. I think there's probably an opportunity for something in there. I'd kind of really sort of like, and I know we're going to probably get some public comment, but I'd certainly like to hear from from some of the folks in the audience to get their perspective on it because I know we haven't quite, we're sitting here one, you know, we're sitting here looking at it in one particular way on more of a administrative side, you know, opposed to the real world and what they face in business every day.

Yeah, so just to reiterate your point, I mean, if you did allow the commercial sales on a commercial parking lot, again, you can structure that draft to limit the number of times and the number of hours a week that that particular site is available for a food truck if the concern is that you don't want them there seven days a week. So that's just something to keep in the back of your mind. And I'll be happy to turn it over to...

Public if you'd like to allow public comment, we will do that in just a minute I had some question about the two questions one about the permits What just a thought of you know, if you're saying it was hypothetically 20 what's to stop somebody from going and getting a permit but not using it for several years and then

One of the drafts that we have, the current draft that we're working on says that if you don't activate that permit after six months of having it, it automatically goes back into the queue.

And then the alcohol stuff. I mean, I've been to Charleston. I've seen the Popsicle trucks parked. They're alcohol, and that's in South Carolina. So, I mean, how do we control that?

Yeah, I'll have to do a little bit more research about the frozen alcohol pops. I'm not sure how they're getting away with that, but I talked to an ABC agent directly. I called them in Columbia, and they said, you absolutely cannot sell or serve alcohol from a food truck.

Well, I've seen them in Monk's Corner. The ice cream truck has...

Maybe there's some kind of peculiar exemption about that. I don't know.

It's running up to the truck. There's booze pops around here. I'm not going to disclose the location they were at, but there's booze pops. So somehow they're getting around it. Yeah. We'll look into that a little bit too.

And also, do they have to have a commercial kitchen that they're attached to separately, or can they cook their food at the house and put it in the truck? How is that controlled?

They would not have to have it, unless there's a DHEC rule about that.

Yeah, I'm sorry, that is a state rule. I stand corrected.

And that is bringing up restaurants. That's another thing that I, and I don't see why it wouldn't be a problem because the restaurant owner can have a food truck as close as they want to, but you might have the situation come where they've rented an older building and it's just not feasible to revamp it for the restaurant to be able to have the restaurant on the outside of the building. And that wouldn't prohibit that in any way in this ordinance from what I see, correct?

What do you think about that?

I mean, in that case, wouldn't we be back to then basically what you're saying is you would actually be using an existing facility?

Well, no, the facility is a restaurant.

The facility is a restaurant, but then your kitchen is actually... They could utilize a mobile kitchen?

Well, so... And this is an example that's happened. Now, they eventually ended up doing the hood vent, doing all that, but it was expensive, so they had looked at...

having the the hood bit style cooking area in a in a food truck behind their restaurant because of the cost to upfit it how would that reflect with this ordinance i honestly i think i'm going to have to put a little thought a little more thought into that i don't want to give you an off-the-cuff answer that might leave out some detail um you know and also the the competition yeah their own property The commercial sale thing can also cut both ways. If I own a restaurant in town, if you allow the commercial sales, if I own a restaurant in town and I want to go set up in Big Lots parking lot and I've got Big Lots permission, then I could get a permit to do that.

Can we look into Charleston, what their rules and regulations are? Because I know there's a lot of restaurants there and they're really close together that do food trucks, so they've got to be within 200 feet of another restaurant. But do they, I don't know how they operate. Is it like once a week, twice a week, seven days a week? I'm not sure, but it'd be worth looking into, because that's the place I've heard where you have a lot of restaurants that have food trucks. Okay, yeah, we'll be happy to do a deep dive into their ordinance. Are there any other comments or questions by council? Okay, yeah, we've got some work to do on this one, but we're making some headway.

Are there any comments by the public? We did have one person sign up to speak, but I'm sure there might be others.

Please come forward, give your name and address. We have a three-minute time limit. Thank you.

Good afternoon, Cheryl Kilday, Destination North Myrtle Beach. This is such a great conversation to be having and I know we have some questions and it would be nice to know if there's a plan or a schedule yet for any sort of surveying as an example. we know of a handful of restaurants that already have food trucks they can't use them in north myrtle beach unless it's on private property but what if there's more than 20 like how are we going to come to some of the data points that you're going to need to make those decisions we're here as your local chamber to offer our assistance in helping pull or survey some of those businesses. I sent out your message and invited a bunch of restaurants to be here today and grocery stores are a category we also want to think about. They do a lot of prepared food. We want to make sure that they're invited to this conversation. So anyway, just wanted to make sure that you know we're happy to serve as a resource, work with your licensing team and get some letters out similarly to what we did when you were looking at the ordinances related to businesses on the beach. and activities on the beach. Happy to do some of that outreach and working on that beyond our membership, but just wanna make sure you know we're here and think that this is a good conversation. I'm sure there's gonna be people on both sides, and so how do we come to the best decision? Data will be helpful, so thank you.

Pardon my strange glasses. I just had cataract surgery. Many years ago. Ma'am, I'm sorry.

Oh, my name. Yes, please. Thank you.

Dr. Jacqueline Bader, Del Webb, North Myrtle Beach. Many years ago, sadly, I became old enough to reside in a 55 community in which I now live, Del Webb. We have a lot of activities, but we have no restaurant, so food trucks would be most appreciated throughout the year. and highly supported. I spoke with 81 people before coming here today who live in my neighborhood and I got a clear consensus. The scenario is I learned that it's not going to take away from any business of a brick and mortar because it's a completely different scenario. When we're all hanging out at the pool or if we're at the bocce ball court, we're not going to walk home or a golf cart home to get in our car to drive to a restaurant to have lunch. But if there are food trucks in our parking lot at the amenity center, then certainly we would support those businesses. And then later that night for dinner, we're all going out to the restaurants. Most of us eat half our meals at the local restaurants, and we would continue to do so. It's not like at any moment in time we have a choice, oh, I'll eat at that food truck or I'll eat at that restaurant. It's a different thing. It's at the amenity center, when we have all these activities, and it's more income for the city, correct? Not just the permits, but don't they also pay income tax, all these new food trucks and new businesses? So we are all hoping that you will at least allow food trucks at amenity centers at communities like ours. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments from the public?

I'm Tom Barnett. I live in 21st Avenue North. I've been here for a long time. This subject is a can of worms, I can tell that. I would suggest, as someone mentioned here, leaning on other municipalities to see how they do it so you guys don't have to reinvent the wheel. But there's one thing that kind of sticks in my mind, and I question the legality of the city being able to base any decision about this subject unfair competition with brick-and-mortar you don't limit the number of real estate companies or plumbers or the number of trucks that one guy can buy and maybe he'll make more money than they and Maybe that restaurant that pays thirty some thousand dollars for their fees each year has the potential to make a whole lot more money than this guy with his truck. So it's something to think about, the legal aspect. I think basing any decision and making us know that you made a decision based on unfair competition seems like a pretty hairy thing to do. There's probably other ways maybe to... approach that subject. I hope we get food trucks. I certainly don't have one and will never have a food truck, but I'd be a customer if there was a place where I knew I could go a few times a week maybe or a time a week and pick up a taco or something and ride down the road and eat it in my car. So hope you guys can work this out before I get to be much older. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Are there any other comments from the public?

Good to see y'all. Good to see you.

I'm Spiro Steiner and I have a question here is when you bring anywhere I've been to the city Charleston or Mina in Columbia and Charlotte and Raleigh. All you see is trash everywhere. You've never seen any area that it's got food trucks that it's clean. All you see bringing all the trash into that area. And our thing, our city, is to go in that. We have a beautiful city here, clean, and we don't want to trash it with food trucks. and also a lot of restaurants pay big rents and they're going to come trucks going to come and park next to them with 200 feet and they're going to compete with them when the people have to pay 12 15 20 000 a month rent and plus you know all the others the the heck you have to pay a lot of money and you know of course pay you cut every month you get your cut so you know and our thing is really good to bring trucks in in our city for beautification for you know for the beauty of our city so and also you're going to bring a lot of trust a lot of gains and a lot of low-life people will come in with the truck so we have to be concerned about all that so all right thank you thank you so much good to see you

Are there any other comments or questions or comments from the public? Hearing none, okay, yes.

Hi, I'm Ed Prince from Monterey Grove. I have a couple of concerns, because if you were to take, you know, when we talk about festivals, there's porta-potties parking, all those things are considered. You talk about bigger parking lots, where's the bathrooms, where's the trash pickup, you know, because I have to have a dumpster, I have to have restrooms, I have to keep those up, I have to have my parking at a certain level to be able to use it for the public. If not, your city rental spaces that we have, not the city, but the ones that we let the public use, they have to be brought up to a certain standard to be able to be used for parking. So I don't think you can just let someone have a food truck and not have to meet any of the other standards that the rest of us have to comply with if that becomes something the city wants to do.

Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other comments from the public? Hearing none, I'll meet a motion to adjourn.

So moved. Second.

There's a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All against? The meeting's adjourned. Thank you.