Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

will call to order of the North Canton Special Planning Commission meeting. It is April 22nd, 2025 at 6 PM here. Uh the first item on the agenda is a roll call. Mr. Delpes here. Mr. Mahen here. Mr. Sarah here. Mr. Leage here. Mr. Reed here. Next on the agenda is minutes for consideration. This is submitting the March 5th, 2025 meeting minutes for approval. like to make a motion to approve the March 5th meeting minutes. I'll second that. We have a motion from Mr. Sarah and a second from Mr. Milhouse. Uh, call to vote, please. Mr. Reed, yes. Mr. Leage, yes. Mr. Sarah, yes. Mr. Mahen? Yes. Mr. Dpes? Yes. All right. First on the agenda tonight is an adjudication hearing for application CUSE-25-2 uh 1210 North Main Street, North Canton, a conditional use permit to request to modify the existing double drive up lanes to allow two single drive up lanes in accordance with the North Canton ordinance 1136.12 subsection B for a new Domino's Pizza and additional food service tenant. Okay. At this time, if the applicant would like to step to the podium and uh as a reminder for everybody here tonight, since we do see some new faces, if you would like to speak uh at the requested time, please state your name and address and you're allowed three to five minutes to speak on any issues. Uh so, if you could sir, speak your name and address and then uh take it away. Good afternoon or good evening everyone. Uh my name is Eric Solder. I'm with Domino's with Domino's Pizza. Uh address is Wilmer, Minnesota. Um came to you guys to uh talk to you

about property or address 1210 the old bank. What we would like to do is repurpose this existing building for a two tenant space. Um basically Domino's Pizza in the front half and an additional tenant to be named later uh in the back half. Uh we would like to redo the uh exterior facade basically 100% putting nichi metals um and uh repaint some of the existing brick and uh the other thing we would like to do is repurpose one of the existing drive-throughs. Currently there's two drive-through lanes on there. We would like to relocate one of those drive-thru lanes to the back half of the building for that secondary tenant, which would allow us to actually add uh onto the building into that first pickup lane to give us some additional room for our kitchen space. Um, I do have to apologize. I did not know I was going to be presenting until about 15 minutes ago. So, I'm really really winging this here. Uh for the most part I if Martin here says that uh you guys have reviewed plans and stuff and there was some additional questions. If there's any questions I am more than willing to answer them. I just apologize. Um like I said very underprepared right now. Uh it is let me think here. Basically, we Yeah, in a nutshell, sorry, just repurpose the building. Sorry. Okay. Thank you. Um, at this time, Martin, would you like to speak from the city's perspective on this application? Thank you, chairman. Uh we have we've been working with the design team and I apologize for the last minute notice there for the uh presentation but uh uh we have been working some with some time

with the design team on the project here. We we have held a pre-application meeting again with the design team. We have you know discussed the project. There were some uh questions and clarifications that were uh addressed in that pre-application meeting. Uh, as you know, the project is located in the Main Street North Gateway. Um, this would also benefit from a recent U ordinance amendment that permits two drive-through lanes. Uh, this appears to have had the two drive-through lanes prior to the requirement of a conditional use permit, but since we are relocating one of the drive-through lanes, it does seem um prudent to go ahead and get a conditional use for the uh revised driveway configuration. Um, staff has reviewed the project and is recommending an approval on the conditional use permit and I'm happy to answer any questions as well. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Van Gundamy. Um, Julie, if you could bring up page three, that might be the most help right now. I think it's the page three on the drawings. Sorry, I'm not sure which page it is in the uh document set. 22 maybe just so everyone can see the drive up lane configuration. Okay, any questions from commission members? Hopefully got a chance to appear at this and uh have any comments. What's the purpose of the driveway easement through the office building location? Are we referring to the building to the

east? Yes. Yeah. Uh so that driveway easement it current there's currently an existing driveway easement in there but it is the end of the easement is about 5t off of that curve line of the building to the east and so for us to maintain our 24 ft that's why we wanted to shift that easement up to that curve line so we can still maintain our 24 foot uh two-way traffic the it shows a 33 or 33 sorry we wanted to make it bigger for because the concerns was for uh garbage trucks, uh fire department, ambulances, bigger vehicles to get access. And I believe with our attorneys that easement has already been shifted. Any other thoughts from commission members comments? So that's going to be another entrance into the back of the property. No, the the back half of the pro basically we're going to split the the property east and west for two tenants. Uh dominoes will be in the front half up on the road on the west side and the secondary tenant will be on the east side. Um the the good thing about with us owning the building, we can somewhat control who's going to be on that east side. Uh and what we'd like to do is on similar properties that we have like this is that we like to offset the hours of the high high volume times or the peak uh restaurant times. So we have been in contact with a couple doughnut places or you know pastry places or anything to that fashion where their high rush is in the morning versus our high rush is in the afternoon evening.

That's why we want to offset those so we don't have any traffic congestion. Okay. Can you go to drawing A05? Yeah, I think it's uh page 13, Julie in the packet. there. So, you see that easement going through the existing plaza. Mhm. That was an already that's an existing easement that's already in play. That was part of because there's there was an exist existing access easement for that back property through the west side of our property. And so basically what we wanted to do or yeah what we wanted to do is just take the boundaries of that easement and shift it to the east another five feet to maintain our our full 30 ft or whatever we're putting on there. So no there there there will be no access I mean no publicized access from that easement into our property. But that easement is on record. Yes, that easement on record because as far as I know that is basically people going to that east property needs to come through our property and that's why that that access easement was already there. Thank you. With with the second business possible second business there stacking space for four vehicles for each of the businesses? Yeah. They're they're not going to be traditional drive-thrus where you have an ordering kiosk and then you pull forward. Both the windows are going to be pickup only windows. Okay. Pre-order. Pre-order. Yes. 100%. You don't you don't has there been any study done as to whether is there potential for more than four

with us? We we have we have 150 stores in our company and about 30% of them have pickup windows. Uh three four max at any given time at our windows even at your repeat 6:30 in the you know on a Friday night. Um we train our team members to basically as we say move the meat and get them through the window as fast as humanly possible uh because we don't want people waiting. So they're they're on top of it right at that window and they grab and go. The standard wait time at a window is about a minute. Okay. You said you're going to try to accommodate a another business that would have sort of a breakfast. Yes. Yeah. A breakfast crowd. You know, basically an early morning early morning up until about 2 3:00 in the afternoon just to offset the entire traffic flow into the property. We don't want two dinner restaurants in there because that just creates a traffic nightmare. Yeah. But that's okay. That's your choice. I mean, that's nothing we can control as far as whether that's the timing of the stacking based on the type of restaurant that goes in the second tent space or the second space. No, but with us owning the building, we control who we lease to. Sure. And and we don't want to do anything that's going to negatively impact our business as Domino's. Okay. Any other questions from commission members? Okay. At this time, I would open up to any questions, comments from the audience on this item. And if not, um, I would entertain a motion on this issue, which is, just to repeat, this is for application

CUSE-25-2, 1210 North Main Street, a conditional use permit request to modify the existing double drive up lanes to allow two single drive up lanes. I make a motion to accept as presented. Second. We have a motion for Mr. Leage, second from Mr. Sarah. Call to vote, please. Mr. Delpes. Yes. Mr. Mahen? Yes. Mr. Sarah? Yes. Mr. Leage? Yes. Mr. Reid? Yes. Okay. Next on the agenda is the development review application number DPLN-25-3. This is for the same property at 1210 North Main Street, North Canton. Um, this is the development review for conditional use application permit CUSE-25-2 to allow two single drive lanes in accordance with North Canton ordinance SE 1174.04B for a new Domino's Pizza and additional food service tenant. So, we've already gotten the overview on this. I don't think we need you to have give another give another primer on it. We're good. Um, I would uh just ask Martin uh if you could just go over it from a development review perspective since we just passed the conditional use and uh we'll take it from there. Absolutely. Thank you, chairman. Uh again, the project was uh reviewed as part of the pre-application meeting. All of the city departments were invited to the meeting and had an opportunity to opine on the project. Again, aspects of the project were discussed and clarified. Any any items that needed to be addressed have been addressed in the plans before you. Um the staff's review finds that the plans do substantially comply with the North Canton zoning and again recommend an

approval. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Brandney. Gentleman on the commission, any thoughts or comments? Okay. At this time, we would entertain any comments or questions from the public. All right. If not, then I would entertain a motion on this development plan review. Uh, application number DPLN-25-3. I'll motion to approve application DP LM25-3. We have a second. We have a motion from Mr. Mahassen, second from Mr. Reid. Call to vote, please. Mr. Leage, yes. Mr. Sarah, yes. Mr. Mahassen? Yes. Mr. Delpes? Yes. Mr. Reed? Yes. All right. Next on the agenda. This is ordinance 26-2025, a community and economic development committee. This is an or ordinance finalizing the annexation of one parcel owned by the city of North Canton located on Whipple Avenue Northwest Weise Avenue Northwest by establishing the zoning of the parcels as general business B which is GBB and establishing the city council voting ward as ward one. Okay. Are you presenting this item tonight? Absolutely. Be happy to. Great. Uh as you as you know this is coming from city council. This is finishing up the annexation as noted there. Um the zoning that is recommended as part of this is the most similar to the Jackson Township zoning and um again staff's recommending an approval on this item as well.

Okay. Thank you. My pleasure. Any questions from commission members on this parcel? If not, I would open up to the public for any questions or comments. Okay. If there's no further discussion, I would entertain a motion on this agenda item. Sorry, let me get back to the top and just state it again. This is for ordinance- 20-2025 finalizing the annexation of one parcel owned by the city of North Canton located on Whipple Avenue and Wise Avenue. Motion to approve the application. That's 26-20-25. He meant 26. He said two. Two or 26? Two 26-20. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Attention to detail. Okay. We have a motion from Mr. Mhousen, a second for Mr. Leage. We'll call vote. Mr. Reed? Yes. Mr. Leage? Yes. Mr. Sarah? Yes. Mr. Mahalsen? Yes. Mr. Dpes? Yes. Okay, before we get to the next agenda item, unfortunately I will have to recuse myself from this agenda item. So at this time, Mr. Sarah, you're not excused. Will be taking over the meeting. Hopefully he has excused me. Okay. So the next item is the development review application number DPLN-25-2.

located at 5257th Street Northeast. The development review for a new middle school and new traffic circulation in accordance with the North Camp ordinance 1131.08 should be. Do we have a representative from the North Camp schools to present this? Please state your name and address. I'm Jordan Lewis. I'm with Soul Air Architecture 6677 Frank Avenue Northwest can um here on behalf of the school district administration's here as well. You want to just proceed and explain the new middle school? Yeah, I'll give an overview. Um Julie if you don't mind or Julie who's controlling are you controlling? Yeah. Do you mind opening up that overall plan and then probably that 32800 be the easiest to explain it with? Thank you. All right. So I'm sure most of you are probably aware uh the proposed middle school is going to be situated in south of the existing Hooper High School building. Um if you don't mind panning down just a little bit on that view or even zooming out maybe. Um so that proposed middle school it would be along seventh street. Um it's 144,000 square ft. Uh two stories. It'll serve sixth, seventh and eighth grade. Um so that you know the location that is currently on Fair Oaks. That's all coming over here to the high school. Um about a thousand students, 125 staff members. Um, so how the elevation works there, this building is going to sit um about three feet higher than the existing gymnasiums at Hoover High

School. Um, two stories tall. It's about 32 feet tall most of it and then 38 in a couple sections. Um, so it's stepped down a little bit from the from the high school behind it. Um, so overall that massing kind of steps up the hill a little bit. Um, kind of the biggest thing here, this diagram is showing the different traffic patterns that are being proposed with this. Um, as you know, we're bringing, you know, that middle school population on campus. So, a lot more parents are going to be dropping off here than the high school. Um, so what is shown here, the red uh kind of loops going through there, that is the Dogwood pool parking lot. Um, so through an agreement with this with the city, the middle school parents are going to come in off of Dogwood and actually queue in that parking lot and then cross over that existing drive that's there. now that it heads back to the high school and then go into that new parking lot um where that red line is shown. So that allows about 75 cars to queue on site and gets those parents off of public streets off of Seventh Street in Dogwood. Um just to step back a little bit, the main entry to the proposed middle school is going to be on the westand side. Um there's an event entry on the east side and then basically the way the plan kind of is broken up, a lot of the event activities are going to happen on the north side of that middle school. Um and then academics on the south side towards 7th Street. Uh the yellow that's shown there, the there's an existing east drive that goes up to the high school now to door one and I think that's where most of the parents um pick up and drop off at the high school. And the buses are currently on the north side. So, that's going to switch those yet. That yellow um line there represents bus traffic uh for both the high school and the middle school. They're going to both utilize that east drive. All bus traffic is going to go on that southeast corner. Um there'll be some vehicular gates that are installed close to the existing

parking lots to keep any other traffic out of that area. And then the high school uh traffic u specifically parent traffic. If you pan down a little bit to see that north side, Julie, that'd be helpful. Yep. Thank you. Um, that's represented in the blue. So, the existing entry, existing drive is off of 10th Street. That's going to be maintained. Um, and that's primarily where the parents and students are going to come in, drop off, and door 22 on the north side is going to become the main entry for the high school. And then also with that, we're proposing a connection to Chapel Hill. Um, so it'll create kind of a four-way stop on campus near the tennis courts up there. And that'll add an additional access point for the high school traffic specifically. Um, orange would be the high school student traffic. Um, so they're, you know, free to enter, free to go on Chapel Hill and 10th Street. Um, but as you can kind of see, the idea is we're we're trying to separate all those uses as much as possible, um, to minimize congestion on site. Um, so a traffic study was done and recommended doing that Chapel Hill connection. Um, I guess some other things to talk about to point out here. You know, we have some existing properties on the east on that southeast side that currently just have a track out from there. So, you know, we're looking at putting a bunch of landscape screening along that east property line. So, a picture of arboritees kind of staggered and rows to uh kind of block that view of the new building there. Um, and then other landscaping. We're proposing trees along uh Seventh Street that'll kind of be similar to the look that you look and feel you have at the primary intermediate school. Um, as well as replacing some of those oaks that will come down during construction, kind of replicating that that current drive that's there at the high school.

Uh overall parking, most of the staff parking for the middle school is going to park in the new lot west of that proposed middle school. Um there's about 125 spots there. The existing parking lot uh that is west of the we'll call it the high school gym at this point that's being maintained. Also will be staff parking. The bus loop will also double as event parking which adds about I think 80 to 90 parking spots um for after after school events um as well as maintaining the existing high school parking lots that are there. Uh the Chapel Hill connection proposing gates at the connection to Chapel Hill the actual you know where we connect to the drive there then at the four-way stop um and those gates will be closed during non-school hours. So the idea is that's really helping relieve that traffic um coming in and going out during the school day and then otherwise they do not want that to be used as a cut through or anything for the school. So um yeah, anything else on this you want to talk about? So on the chapel you'll exit out and enter in. You said there's going to be gates on both ends. On both ends. Correct. Yeah. So by the tennis courts if anyone needs illustration. Yeah. You can zoom into that if you want to or that 32801 will also show. Probably zoom into this is fine. Yeah. So as you might be aware too, Spark Parks has a trail going through here trail um that currently kind of runs right through this space here. Uh that's going to be reworked obviously to make this proposed connection happen. Um so that would be on the north side of these gates to protect you know those patrons that are using that trail. We'd have a gate here and then a gate right here as well.

Will buses go through there? Buses will not be going through there. No. So So it's more just an overflow of getting the people out at at our busiest time. Yeah. Correct. So like on the weekends or anything it's going to be closed. I believe that's the plan to keep that closed for Yes. So the plan would be that they would be closed on the weekends because again we're only going to have the the bus only area that's in the front would be open on weekends for events and that type of thing. That's only buses only during pickup and drop off. So because we're losing that space and that access, this will help us alleviate during those times when the bus only. But during the weekends and during events, those bus, you know, that uh that side will be open as well, which will have 90 some parking spots available and so forth. Correct me if I'm wrong, Tim, but I think even after the buses are gone for the day, that gate will open up and high school students that are there for after school activities are also able to get out on Seventh Street as well. So, can you go to the east side of the property now across from where the uh middle school will be? You zoom in a little bit there at that drive. So, explain I mean looks like there's two drives there. So give a little bit explanation and explain how the buffer to the residence is going to be. Sure. Um so existing drive occurs right here. Um for this being specifically for bus circulation that curb cut actually has to move a little bit west so it gets further away from that residential area. Uh buses will come in and make this loop. um they will drop off at the high school and the middle school and there'll be marked spots for them to um sit at the end of

the day when kids are loading up. Um along the property line here um leaving a you know a good distance for mowers to go through there for the district to still mow behind that. There will be landscape beds um probably of rock and then arbor bitees and some other uh shrubs and stuff in there. But basically that's happening all along that uh property line on the east side there. You create kind of like a sound barrier buffer. Am I saying that right? Um kind of like Yeah, mostly visual visual buffer. No, but that will also offer some acoustical. Does that actually represent the number of you said arbor viting? Arbor viting. Yeah. That would be placed there for a landscape plan. Pretty close to that. Yeah, it's a lot of arboring. seems kind of seems kind of sparse if I'm trying to circles. Circles are the trees black and white. 13800. Yeah, those are all replace trees. Trees that we're going to add. Do you have that? If you mind clicking on that 13800 actually next one. And then if you zoom in here, so we'll have the these represent oaks, those big ones. So those will kind of be staggered as well going up here. And then really, you know, these are probably 10 to 12 foot wide beds. And then we'll have every six feet will be an upper bitey. Then in between that, so three foot, you can kind of block it out. I'm there now. Got it. All right. Is it mounted at all or is it just going to be It is not mounted. Um more for storm water control. Um, so there's automatically there's already kind of a swell happening to get water um towards the school side, right? So there's some existing base and stuff that they're working with um so to not cause any water going onto the neighbor's side.

It's actually um coming towards the school. And how far is the drive off the property line? Uh the second red line here represents a 40ft setback. So that 40 foot setback will use this for the for the buildings and outdoor activities. This one's a 20 foot set back there. Um so that drives 40 ft. So pretty very close to where it's currently at. Okay. While I'm on a roll, let's go to the west side and explain how that road works and down south there. Do you want to see the dog pool? You want to go to the other one or Well, I think everyone knows Dog Pool's right there. But you have a connection with Dogwood Pool and and I understand you're going to use Dogwood Pool with the agreement with the city for pickup, basically drop off pickup. Mhm. So, how does that all work? They're going to be parking over there or they going and grab Just explain it. Yeah, so mostly just for queuing like you said for morning drop off and afternoon pickup. Um the you know the district I think will start with probably having an attendant down here putting cones out so so when parents come in here they will not be going you know this way to cut through that will stay open for staff and after that you know high traffic time is over but basically they'll they'll queue in off of come off of Dogwood queue within the pool there parking lot this is a new connection here so they'll come straight across and basically all line up once you hit here this becomes oneway traffic um in front of the school. So, the drop off point is

basically here. Um and then they'll exit, come back out and exit back onto Dogwood. Um not during those hours. This is open here, primarily staff. Like I said, there will be some visitor parking for the middle school here. Um but this will remain open and pretty normal parking lot after after hours besides this being that oneway street there. And then also, you know, since we're down here, this right here is an emergency access drive. Um so it allows to have that connection across um without going back to Seventh Street. And then also gives a point for um you know, if they need to pull an ambulance up, pull a fire truck up or a squad car, this spot is out of the rest of the track. So it's not gated. It's not gated. It'll always be open and anyone could go through. Yeah. It's got um kind of a break visually. So, this will be concrete here. Obviously, we'll have do not enter signs. Likewise for the other side. So, it's going to be downplayed as a vehicular access bus and width. So, my next question is where do I park for the football games? Morty Parker in that area. No, probably the same spot. Okay. You won't even have to walk across the grass. It'll be asphalt all the way down the center. Right here for you, I think. 25. Any other questions? comments from the city. Uh, thank you. Yes, the project of course is located in the parks and

institutional zoning district. Schools are permitted by right in the parks and institutional district. [Music] Um, of course before you is the development review. And a couple things to note there is the zoning code gives us an option to either do the development review administratively or before you as we are tonight. Um, couple things to further note on that is um, public notice is not required by the North Canton ordinance, but given the impact that it may have changing the traffic patterns particularly, uh, we have opted to notice um, not only send out notice as many of the residents have received um, but we also enlarge that circle. Normally it's 200 ft. We sent out notices to everyone within 500 feet. This was coordinated with the school. Everyone agreed this was best for uh getting the word out and making sure that everyone had an opportunity to comment or ask questions of the project in the early phases of the project. So, here we are tonight um with that opportunity. And um as far as the pre-application meeting, we did hold a pre-application meeting where all of the city departments were uh invited. I believe all of them were present as well. Um had presented questions as part of that. All of the comments were addressed, you know, through that process as well as the plans that you see before you. Um staff of course has reviewed the plans and find that the plans do substantially comply with the North Canton zoning and recommend an approval. Fire department fire department was

present at the pre-application meeting as well. And they didn't have any comments. Fire department always has comments as does the building official. So, I'm not throwing them under the bus. So, um the the Ohio Fire Code and the Ohio Building Code are very complex as can be the zoning code. Um the schools and the and the design team have been great partners to work with asking the right questions and and addressing those through the process. So, um I I should also note that our city engineer has reviewed the traffic study and is also here to address any questions that there may be on the traffic impact study and perhaps um any of the new traffic patterns as part of that. And of course, I'm happy to answer any questions as well. Mr. Sarah, I've got one last question. The parking that's within the bus loop. Who is that? Is that dedicated parking within the bus loop? Just event parking. Pardon me. Event parking. Yeah, I think basketball games and Okay. So during school hours when the buses are dis when the students are discharging, buses are coming out. There's nobody can walk in on either side there. From the buses coming south on the plan, there's parking in the center of the parking area. What about I'm sorry I missed your question. That's the bus. No cars parked. So during the school day only no otherwise I think the parking the parking study is really well organized. Rob, can you talk about the traffic? Yeah, absolutely. Uh we the GPD had done

the traffic engineering study, the traffic impact study and I thought it was really well done. the whole of of we just discussed uh the traffic pattern you know what you see in the north part of the campus with the students the high school students that drive is really not going to change other than that additional ingress egress point from from Chapel Hill uh you know obviously middle school kids aren't driving so the thought of more kids coming and driving and you know high speeds that's you know middle school kids aren't driving so there's no parking at the south end for students Uh, a couple things that that outside this the school site area is at 10th Street and North Main and also 7th Street in North Main. Uh, both of those are signalized intersections. We do not have a a left turn lane at 7th, but we do have a left turn arrow in a phase. So, what we'll do at both intersections, 10th Street, we do have the the turn lane, is at those AM and PM peaks, just at 45 minutes or so. Our traffic controllers will change the timing in there to allow a little more that southbound left turn movement onto 10th onto 7th to accommodate that, you know, A.M. and PM. We can do that for, you know, the half hour, 45 minutes. And and that's what the report had suggested. So, no turn lane additions or drop rights or things that we needed to do like on Charlotte and North Main for the the PK2 school. Uh, also the other real change to the traffic would be at 7th and Dogwood. It's recommended that that be a three-way stop. It's right now it's just currently a stop for the southbound traffic on on Dogwood. This way we'll have a three-way. to the east west on the Sabbath stops because with the parents

coming in, parents leaving and one goes, one stops. So, you can kind of keep the traffic flowing. If you didn't do that, you'd have a huge queue of dogwood. You'd never get them out. And then eventually when when and if uh the EMS station 2 disappears, there would be room to actually add another lane on Dogwood southbound. So, we'd have a right turn lane for those wishing to go back west towards Main Street or a left turn lane, but still would be a three-way stop. That's kind of in a nutshell what the So, we're not the traffic report is not shown where they're really seeing any backup. Nothing in there that would be where it's like a level of failure in traffic analysis traffic ease I guess language everything is given a letter grade just like school and for intersection to fail it's at a level E or F and we're not really seeing that with these changes that they're implemented. So, what about going to the east into that aotment? Really don't anticipate the traffic issue there because not a lot of the traffic I mean obviously some will be going east towards Mark Court, but again the students won't be able to access that. I doubt a student, you know, he's going that student's going to want to get up to 10th Street. So, they're going to come around a different way, approach from the north cuz I don't think they want to get in the mess of the middle school parent pickup nor the buses coming in. So, they'll concentrate come around from the north, I would think. And and um again, kind of a nice way to just separate the middle school and their dedicated traffic from the high school and their dedicated traffic. And then the buses all utilizing that east entrance.

I'm really not seeing much of an increase into Chapel Hill then. Well, I mean more than the current. Yeah. I mean, well, it be an in cuz no one travels there now cuz it's not there. But I think with that added, I think it'll even further distribute that traffic that leaves from the north. And a lot of folks are going to go west out 10th Street to go south. But folks that live, you know, north of Apple, they may go out hiasent, they may go out, you know, Cadam or it kind of even further distributes those students leaving north. Can you scroll down so you can see the north property west? Probably switch that other uh And that's student parking in the center of that circle. Correct. Yes. So, if I'm a student, my fastest means of escape is north. Come down. North or west? It depends on where you're going because if if you go north, you're not you don't want to make a left-hand turn on map. most of the time. So, if you're trying to get out to Main Street, you're probably going to go down 10th Street as opposed to go up and take a left hand turn on a road. Some might Yeah, some might do that, but I'm just saying as a as a general rule right now, Chapel Hill is a dead end, right? Correct. right now. Yes.

questions from. Okay. At this time then I'm going to open it up to the public. Uh if you choose and would like to uh uh talk about this um please state your name and address and we're going to uh limit it to up to 5 minutes time. Thank you. My name is Cliff Lee. I live at 2626 highestend. I'm just on the north side of across the creek. I'm in Plane Township. So, I do appreciate North Can Planning uh Commission giving me an opportunity to talk. I'm looking at the elevation drop. We're just going to jump to someone. Just start from right there coming out of Chapel Hill. I lost that. Did my time stop. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what it looks like, by the way, at that proposed access coming right out between the tennis courts and right there. I'm not sure if you actually like walk that ground. You're familiar with that area. Right now, it's a wetland and there's about a 30 foot elevation drop within 50 ft. And if you're going to go ahead and add, I don't know, 25 ft of asphalt wide, 50 feet dropping about 25 ft, you're going to add to the wetland. All right. Okay. Now, now I'm going to have a river coming off of the the parking lot. So, what were the plans for any kind of water coming down into the creek to flood the creek that's in my backyard? And that's just one. I'm That's one of the things I wanted to consider. You talk about putting a gate. Is the gate going to be on the Chapel Hill side or from the parking lot side? Both. Both. Both. They're going to be two gates and they're going to be manned. We have our security. I I see the green light every morning, but I

literally sit on my deck and watch what's going on. So, and not just going to be during the beginning of school. Once school starts about what 8:00 into it, the gates get closed or they don't get closed until the evening till the after after the school day after. So, it's all day. All day. So, so I know when someone made a comment about it, they exit the students that are heading north, they take hold to Hyestin. I'm going to say one and maybe 100 will make a left turn. the rest of the rights. Everybody else going Cadam's going that way. So I'm not sure about that. I'm kind of con concerned about that. The tra the thing I'm concerned about is the traffic flow coming off a hole on the hyestent. Half of hyasin is city, half the other half is plain township. So I'm not sure who patrols that stop sign. So I I know that there was a sheriff's deputy there last Friday when there wasn't school watching the stop sign. So that was kind of not sure why he was there, but he sat there for a little bit of time. So maybe he was a part of that uh traffic flow study. I don't know. Um but I'm concerned about that right now. All right. It's kind of like a highway right now. And I'm adding I'm thinking of that how's the Chapel Hill going to go ahead and alleviate the traffic that's going to go north and make a right anyways on Appleboro whether they come all the way out to Dogwood hitole and then hiss. So, I mean, why would you add that? And I guess it's probably for the route of aggress. You want to have more more aggress. I completely get that and I understand that to kind of get that flow going because again, I have a a back deck seat of watching all the traffic, you know, in the afternoons and in the mornings as well. Uh, have you taken into consideration of the rapid aggress going into sanctuary? There is one emergency traffic. So there isn't aggressive traffic only. It's for it's for the city to use, not for for us to use. So we just put ballards up along that. So I saw that just recently added

just recently added because obviously it wasn't being used for it was Yeah, I witnessed that too. So you know what's going on there? I'm the guy. Yeah. So that's the city's access for emergency. Oh, okay. The city Okay, I I understand. Okay. And I'm just kind of concerned about that because again, you know, and I really do appreciate your time. I do. and then and I had an opportunity and thank you so much for the letter. You didn't have to send me one because I think we are just about at that 500 foot based on our the property line and everything. So, I appreciate that and that that's just kind of concern. A lot of it says that water runoff, how's this going to go? Um, you know, and I just it's already a wet land now. Um, I'm looking at the drop. How's that going to come into consideration with the with the uh the architecture, how they're doing that, and if there's anything that's going to kind of capture that a little bit. Um, just to I can talk a little bit to that. So, all this has to go through sto soil and water. Yeah. Yeah. So, all the storm water by that natural even during construction fences. Yeah. I had a conversation with Stark County about that. Who really owns that creek and what it can do to it? And so, we had we had it was very enlightening. I do appreciate, but I'm just kind of concerned about that. Um, does adding that access really help the traffic or I mean, what does it do? And now that if the buses aren't going to be going through there, the students don't have to contend with the buses by someone stopping all the students. Buses go and then the kids go, right? And there's already, you know, some like um early departures now. You guys have done that and late arrivals. So, you guys already had that implemented and that's good to see that as well. So, we're just kind of concerned. It's like, you know, so but I'm excited. Thank you for the opportunity to let me speak. Appreciate it. Thank you, Jordan. Are you really adding much to those wetlands with this? Yeah. Um I mean, just so obviously you're

adding the asphalt, which is impervious, right? Um but they're all handling that um with the storm water man. Okay. So there's storm water control along that Chapel Hill connection. So everything that's since it's impervious, anything that's collected on that connection is going to a storm. Yes, ma'am. State your name. I'll stay stand here because I can't see it. But um Christina Whittenberger. I live at 10:30 Dogwood Avenue. I am the corner house or the last house before like three houses from small road. Um my concern is the traffic. Um right now with 10th Street, it changed from a four-way stop to a through two-way. Um cars fly from the high school down to Dogwood. in the mornings like parents dropping off and then leaving. It takes me a long time to get out of my driveway to pull out of my driveway because cars are coming from the north down Dogwood and they're leaving the school drop after drop off going that way. So without that four-way stop at 10th Street, I don't have a chance to get out of my driveway until all that traffic's pretty much gone. Also, the cars coming from the north to drop off. So that is my concern. I understand that Chapel Hill will be open, but still now we're adding more coming from the north coming in that way. Um I just think that there has to be some type of change either 10th or put a um another four-way stop at Hall in Dogwood just so the people on Dogwood, they can get out of their driveways. Cuz right now I cannot even with late arrival. If I leave later around the 8:00, I have to wait till 10 after 8 before I can even get out of my driveway because of they fly. It's students and parents, they fly down

Dogwood and it's just it's just so frustrating. Um like I've called a couple times if if students see me, if I hold my phone up, they think I'm filming them, they will slow down. But it's just it's just raceway. Bob was just raceway and adding more to it. I think we need a four-way stop at 10th or Hall and Dogwood. That's all. Rob, can you look into that? Absolutely. We I mean, we did do a four-way stop warrant at 10th Street and Dogwood about two years ago, year and a half ago, and it did not warrant a four-way stop. Basically, a four-way stop. I don't want to use the word illegal, but unwarranted is the better term. So, Dogwood had the lesser of the traffic. So, Dogwood uh stops. 10th Street does not. And the report uh didn't mention changing that at this time. We can always go back and take a look at any intersection in the area and, you know, doesn't cost much money to count traffic and see if a four-way is worth it. But uh we only put up four-way stops going forward where they're warranted. You don't use four-way stops for traffic calming or make people go slower. That's an enforcement issue. My concern is yes, you do a traffic study now, but we're adding at middle school. Oh, we wouldn't do it after we wouldn't do it after it was open. Exactly. For that reason. Yeah. We would wait till we have the the pattern in place. So that four-way stop allowed enough brakes in between the cars for us to pull out of our driveway is Oh, thank you very much. If I can I just

say something to just for part of our goal is to obviously get as much traffic out of the neighborhood as possible, right? And so Chapel Hill actually is 1,500 ft from Apple Grove to get to our property. If you come on Chapel Hill, it's going to be 2500 to go from Apple all the way down to 10th Street. And so those 23 neighbors between Chapel Hill on Hall and then all the way down Dogwood right where you live are going to see the biggest benefit of the northern traffic going in on Chapel Hill. Well, I don't think that the middle schoolers will be using that Chapel Hill though is my concern. um they will be coming down Dogwood because that's where their entrance and drop off and pickup is is down there. So they will not be using that. There could be some there will be some but we don't our middle school traffic is not even close to the number of cars that come in because of how many kids drive you I mean drive themselves to the high school. So the middle school traffic is significantly less than the high school traffic to just encourage hopefully we can get some of that alleviated. Yes, ma'am. State your name and address. I'm Lee. I'm Cliff White on the 2626 Python Drive. So, yeah, we have a I see everything you see down at our end, too. The um we've also had three daughters go through middle, high school. Um them driving, us driving them, band practices, you know, before and after school. So, I anticipate one big problem first of all with Chapel Hill with the gate at both ends, the one up by the tennis courts and the one at the end of Chapel Hill. Um, the before you get to the new driveway. Um, I know in the past when I've had to take the girls to band practice, I would come up Dogwood and pull in there on 10th Street to go take them around the high school. And when tennis pra when tennis matches were

going on, they would close those gates there. So I would have to circle back around and go back out and go back around the high school to pay them. So when kids are going in and out of Chapel Hill and then they're coming back on weekends or coming back for, you know, different activities and even parents and they're not going to know that the gates are closed and then they're going to go down Chapel Hill and they're going to be turning around in the neighbors driveways there to get back up there onto Whole Road to continue up to the high school because that happened to me quite a a few times going into the parking lot at the high school having those those um gates at the tennis courts closed. So, I had to circle back around. There's not going to be a way for anybody to circle back around. They're going to be going into Chapel Hill. They're going to be like, "Oh no, the gate closed." They're going to be turning around in our our neighbors driveways, Mike's driveway. So, that's one big problem that that I know is going to happen. Um, also down on Hole and Hiasin Drive, it's a speedway. The kids just fly. I mean, it's even scary coming off of Apple Grove, coming down Hyestence and going continuing into where our house is because the kids are not stopping at that stop sign. They just come down driving north, you know, flying around. They're make a left to go continue on to Highestense and go out to Apple Grove. And the kids do make blocks on Apple Grove. Like they go there and make glass. So I just really feel like it's already unsafe right now without the middle school traffic. And there's lots of little kids that live on there's we have our our neighbors have little kids right there on

highest. Plus there's little kids all up and down that road. And I just can't even imagine with more traffic. Um, you know, whether it's parents, the high school kids driving, it's a dangerous situation right now. It really is. And I know that if you had neighbors, if you sat with us, sit with Cliff in the mornings that would come in the afternoon and watch the kids, you could sit there at the corners of um Dogwood and of Tent and Dogwood. Um, it's it's dangerous. So, with the increased middle school traffic, it's going to be more dangerous unless there's different traffic patterns, unless there's lights, unless there's more police presence. And that's just I mean, I'm really concerned. So, I'm glad we did get the letter. You know, we only heard from our neighbor that about that driveway going in from the parking lot, you know, because we walk that all the time and we we're on that all the time. And it just I mean I just feel really bad for our neighbors on Chapel Hill and also where you live too because you you we all see it. So just safety is all we're asking and the middle school's going to be a lot more. So Tim, you know, as far as [Music] the when the gates are open, I'm just throwing it out. Could there be like a sign placed on the gate that would show so we don't have cars trying to go through? And Sure. And I and I I've had that same similar experience with the tennis courts. The one thing I will tell you that's different is that the tennis courts we only shut down on tennis matches which you never know when that's going to happen. So you get up there and then you're like, shoot, I have to turn around and go all the way around. These will be closed every night. And and I'm not suggesting that it could never happen what you described because I that that would I understand what she was

describing, but it will be an everyday thing that those will be closed and so I think people will learn much quicker. Yeah, the tennis thing is a little bit different because they're closed randomly based upon when we have a tennis match there, you know, but it became an issue that a sign could be put right on the gate that post the hours of open. Absolutely. still do it one time. Yes. Do I have to go to the podium? Yes, I can if you want me to. Yes. Yes. Yes. Just helps can hear better that way. I'm sorry. My name's Karen Siri. I live at 1024 Dogwood. I live right next to Christine there. And I also have lived there for 40 years. So, I have been witness to a lot of the traffic um from the high school. I have a couple questions. One question, why did they consider put middle school with a high school? Is there no other place in North Canton that would have fit um extra traffic and and the conglomeration of students that's going to increase in that area? Well, I'm not sure that's a question for this evening, but if the school wants to answer it, there there were certainly a lot of considerations from curricular things and things that we bought kids back and forth between the two schools now that we don't have to do. Um there were obviously even from a traffic perspective and kids dropping off, you know, there will be there will be a fair number of middle school kids who will ride with their high school sibling now and get and come there and so forth. So there are there are academic uh reasons that that made it beneficial for us as a school district. Um location, yes, there there are some positives to it being in that location in terms of where all of our other uh athletic facilities, how we bust kids over to the middle school every day for those things that we don't have to do now. So there was a lot of consideration

to and a lot of positive academically and extracurricular uh for having the middle school there. Not to mention the land and where we where else we have land in the in the city. There's no place else that we had land probably on the other side on the east side. They couldn't go out that way towards the sanctuary. We could not Yeah, we did not feel we did not have the space to go out that direction. And again, we would have had the same traffic coming that coming through there even if we put the building on the other side. Well, you would have gone through Sanctuary instead of Dogwood to uh ease that traffic. Yeah. I know those are more expensive houses through there, but Well, no, that's Yeah, that's not so much the issue. There's a lot of a lot of pieces to that to try and put fit that building even out there with the land that we have with none other. And another thing is why is Chapel Hill not getting any of the buses going that way? All the buses are coming down to Seventh Street, right? Why aren't any of them going down Chapel Hill? That's what we have two about. She's saying that she's saying I mean to neighborhood routes they go pick up kids in Chapel Hill. Yes. But they're not coming through the Chapel Hill entrance because it's going to be better for all traffic if all of the buses go in a single entrance. We had otherwise you have buses and cars mixing and kids getting off buses and cars. That's not a good that's a very dangerous thing once we get to drop off points. Is there going to be any soundproofing on Dogwood side on the west side of that high school? They talked about the trees our pava and there's a big open grass field. I mean between nothing's changing up there about that it's been in the last 40 years. Okay. You know I mean on terms of the north side. I mean we're not we're not adding anything. I think the reason that there was some foot on the east side is because they've looked at a grass field and now there's going to be a big building twotory building right

there. And so we're trying to protect their view because so they don't have to just look at a building out their back. So, there will still be like a slope going up to block some of that um view of the the middle school and the noise extra noise from a slope from from where you live. Oh, yeah. That that hill's not getting cut out. Yeah, the hill's not getting cut out. So, you won't see I mean you might Yeah, you you may you may barely see the top of the middle school over the hill, but you won't the hill's not getting cut out. Okay. So, appreciate that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? Any further questions? Anything from the city? Okay. So, what does the commission want to do here? Is there a motion? I move to approve development review application number DPLN-25-2. Is there a second? I'll second. Mr. Mahalsson. Yes. Mr. Sarah. Yes. Mr. Leage. Yes. Mr. Reed. Yes. Okay. So, is there any other business before the uh commission? All right. If there is none, a motion to adjourn. I'll second it. Thanks everyone for coming to the meeting. Thank you for coming. Let's do