Community Enhancement Board - Regular Meeting

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Can everybody hear me? Yes.

How are you guys?

How's it going, Nick? There we go. Good.

Recording in progress.

I was looking for a different sender and account. Can you guys hear me?

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Awesome. And Chris Cotton says he's updating Zoom, so he'll be joining us momentarily.

Let's give him just two minutes.

They'll give me time to get home, so.

Perfect, okay.

Can you throw up the agenda in the meantime? Do you have it there?

Yeah, yeah, sure thing. Oh, there he is. That was fast. Chris, can you hear us? Chris? What's going on, you guys? There we go.

What? Rushing over here to the meeting. Ended up getting some pretty heavy traffic. Legit just walked in and then updated my Zoom. Good evening, you guys.

Good evening.

Let me pull out my North Bay Village folder.

Oh, you've got a folder.

Yeah, all the few things that you said. I just keep it there to remind me of the last notes or meeting and keep all this stuff.

Very fancy.

Pirate's Alley.

Yeah, I'm actually setting that up right now, the other questions, because I only sent you guys the open-ended responses. I figured we could go through the other ones together here.

I didn't realize the questionnaire was going to be that fast. I was going to try to get it to where this condo building sent it to everybody in the building.

Well, we did get 64 responses, so it was a success in my book.

Okay.

And now it gets all dark early. I got the desk light all messed up.

Yeah.

Yeah. Now we get out of work at five o'clock and then it's like already dark. You're getting out of work.

Yep. No, it's crazy.

But yes. Okay. So we have quorum. Good job. You got it.

Nick, you're the chair. You want to call the meeting to order whenever you like?

Yeah, it's 6.40 p.m. calling the meeting to order. Can we do a roll call? Absolutely.

Nick Quay. Christopher Cotton, president.

Brie Frugia.

Present.

Jacob Petrini. Present. And we know that Sylvia is not able to join us today, so there we go. Let's go ahead and approve those minutes. Mr. Chair, that's fine with you. Yeah, they look good to me. All right, they're right here. If anybody wants to take a quick last look at them.

Yeah, all clear. That's when we met the village manager.

That's right. Yes. We're actually here with us this evening, Frank. Thank you for joining.

Hey, good evening, Frank. Hi, Frank. Frank, do you have a brochure for us today? Hello, hello. I'm here. Hey, Frank. Hi.

Frank, how are you?

Good.

All right. So, Mr. Chair, if you want to call for a motion on approval of those minutes, go for it.

Sorry, my audio. Let me fix this. Hold on. Yeah, you were asking for a call for the minutes. Yeah, if I can get a second on, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes.

Yeah, second.

Can I get a second?

Seconded.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

Sounds good.

All right. So moving on in the agenda, no old business, we will go into the responses that we got from the survey. Like I mentioned, it was 64 responses total. Of course, some people skipped a few questions there, but that's fine. So this is question one. Overwhelmingly, people do want to see live performers in the village. whether that is, uh, you know, music performers or, or whatever else. Uh, so that was good to see like over overwhelming, very, very, very overwhelming. Um, how often we see that, um, people don't want it too often, but they want it periodically. So we see monthly there's, uh, uh, the highest result. So almost 50% of respondents that we want it once a month. And then everything else is kind of split. So it gives you a pretty good sense of what people are looking for. Where would you like them to be held? Everywhere. And those were the three options that we gave. So yeah, go ahead.

I can't quite read the difference in the green and blue in the bottom. Can you just tell us what those are?

Is that better?

Parks. Yeah.

Yeah.

Getting my glasses might help too, but... All of the above. Okay, there you go.

So all of the above. And I, you know, I value that a lot because typically a lot of our events are at parks. So I think it's good that people, you know, gave other responses. I think people want to see other areas activated, which is cool. Yeah. And then when would you like them held? We see that weekend evenings is the top result. What is it?

Okay.

And also, of course, depends on the type of the activity, which I think we all agree what we're kind of looking for. Nick, you weren't here with us last time, but... Sorry about that. You weren't here the last time, but Jacob is the one that kind of brought this to us and said this might be a good idea. And I think, you know, there's a lot of potential here for, for mostly music is kind of what we were discussing, but, but also we got some responses that you'll see shortly about comedy shows, other activities like that.

So I don't, I don't know.

We'll see about that. We'll see about that. But, but music is a lot.

I think it's great. I mean, we've, I don't know who, who's been here for the longest, but we've had, All of that in the city over the years. Bogle's a really good spot for that, obviously, just because of the space. The Civic Park behind the shell, they would activate that once in a while. But I think it's a really good idea to do it again. And, you know, we even have some commissioners over the years that have used part of their budget for stuff like that. I'm not saying that that should be the ask, but the point is there's a lot of stuff that can happen there. And we are a waterfront community. So I think doing it in those parks and taking advantage of the electricity and the public bathrooms is the way to go until we activate Pirate's Alley in another space for us down the road.

Yeah, exactly right. OK, so moving on, we see that weekend evenings are the most popular result. Interested in family-friendly or children's performances, it's pretty even. which I think gives the sport some flexibility when it comes to, you know, selecting what kinds of things you want to see. You know, it's good to just keep this in mind in general. I think music overall is very family friendly depending on where it is.

So, you know, like, like, is that like a, like a parking lot for like happies or something? Like I don't,

Let's keep it to those three options, at least. Island walk, which belongs to us, parks, which also belong to us, and then local businesses will be an easy sell if those businesses are interested in partnering with us on this. Parking lot might be a little bit more complicated. Yeah, no, I know. We'll keep that in mind.

I was just wondering, I was like, what businesses would be able to host something? I know that we had it on the survey.

Yeah, I think a lot of businesses that we've partnered with in the past, you know, Cow Bakery comes to mind, everything at the Lexi, Petrolunga, the restaurant over there at Grandview, which some of you are very familiar with. I'm just pulling up here what I emailed you guys, which was the open-ended results.

Give me one second. Jacob, okay, I guess he got home. Hey, Jacob. Hello, I'm back.

Hey.

Hey, go. One second, guys. Apologies. No, take your time. Take your time.

Because I BCC'd you all, so it doesn't come up for me when I search for it. Can someone tell me the time that that email was sent out, if you don't mind? If you're looking at it.

The deliverables?

Yes, the open-ended results.

Oh, 1201.

Yesterday, right? Yeah.

It's not coming up for me for some reason. That's weird. You hear my cat?

No?

Your cat?

Yeah.

Can you go ahead and share your screen there? I don't know why it's not coming up. You guys want to see my dog? There's Pachito.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Are you able to do that? Let me see.

So you want... Go for it. You want the open-ended summary of questions?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can pull up question six.

Yeah. Yeah, sorry about that. I don't know why I can't see it here in my SAT folder. All right.

Okay.

Is it?

Yep. I got it. I found it. Okay. Do you mind? Let me, uh, yeah. Sorry about that. There we go.

Cool.

Everyone can see that, right?

Yes.

Cool. Okay. So question six, we asked what type of performers would you like to see? And we see that there is 33 mentions of live music and bands, and that includes this entire variety of different kinds of music, which I thought was interesting. We see solo musicians with performers, 11 mentions. I had this kind of romanticized idea, Jacob, when you brought this up of having like a solo performer, like a cellist or something like, or violinist, like playing classical music, you know, randomly.

That'd be super cool.

That's kind of just what was going through my head. I know other cities have done something like that, you know, around the country, not necessarily here in Miami, but I think just a random activation like that, I think is really, really cool. So that's what came to mind for me with that.

That's a fun idea.

Yeah, and I think it's easy.

I know some solo and some trios and quartets for both classical and jazz that if I tell them what it's for, we maybe come out for fun, one of a solo, then we can get one of the groups to come out in an affordable way too, if there has to be a fee on it.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, once we put this all together, we'll definitely be pulling our resources and seeing who we know out there. Comedy got 10 mentions. Um, typically a hit or miss in my opinion, depending on the type of comic and the type of comedy, um, might not be family friendly. You know, that's all. It's tough. What's that?

It's just, yeah, it's kind of tough to make people laugh, but then not offend anybody and genuinely be funny. It's kind of tough. Right.

No one's going to get offended no matter what you do with comedy. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

it doesn't matter what you do. It's that, that might, I don't know. I, as much as I want to see that, that might be one that we have to really think on. What, what if the comedian says something that doesn't follow the views of villain? I don't know. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Uh, theater dramatic performances got eight mentions. I'm not sure what people have in mind with that, but, uh, that was, that was cool.

Uh, see the nutcracker of vocal park.

Yeah. Um, dance. I thought having like a dance class, like a dance instructor come in was a really cool idea. Um, you know, we can do it. Yeah. Village Hall or another venue or a private venue in the village, you know, we partner with some light. And that also, you know, brings to mind our future community center, which is coming in the next couple of years. We're going to have an incredible programming event space there that's for us. So that's just, you know, thinking ahead and thinking about how great that it's going to be. Um, other entertainment, I think these are, well, at least the music, the magician one is definitely more family friendly, uh, chef competitions, car shows, green markets, arts and crafts, and Ted talk events. Um, so quite a mix. Um, many respondents indicated all of the above. were a bunch of different things. Some specified cultural diversity. There were multiple mentions of combining different types of entertainment in rotation. And then, yeah, those cultural references that we saw in a few responses. So they said Jimmy Buffett.

Woodstock style, yeah.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Those are two very different types of things.

Yeah. Woodstock style. Any questions on question six? Any comments, observations? Are we good? We can move to the next one, question seven.

I think it's all good things. I think a lot of the bigger cities are doing these already. Yeah. From, you know, Pinecrest to the Keys. I've seen a lot of those. Key Biscayne as well. Activating things like that in different locations. So I think it's all good stuff and all city friendly.

Yeah. Frank, you were going to say something? A couple of comments. One, for single performers, which I've used a couple of times before, was a harpsist. They just loved it. They were mesmerized by having somebody play on a harp.

There's a really good fellow at the symphony right now for that.

And then the other thing to think about is reaching out to New World School of the Arts. A lot of these kids have groups that they put together, string quartets, different things like that. And they play, you pay a, you pay a price, you know, it's a fundraiser for their particular deal, but it's pretty neat. There are some pretty good performers in these kids. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. I went to one of their, the fellows kind of performances the other night. They did four of them. They're very good.

Sounds good. Question seven, what kinds of community programs do you think would help enhance our MBB community? So these were very, very diverse. Sorry about my cat in advance.

Oh, now I heard him.

So we saw health and wellness, which kind of brought some interesting thoughts to mind. It seems like we're already doing a lot of these things, right? So I think we can probably do a better job of promoting them to different audiences. Uh, so we have Tai Chi and yoga. We do plenty of yoga, yoga twice a week, uh, walking, running, biking groups. We have a running group that commissioner cook actually just started and it's been hugely successful. Um, I think he had almost 20 people show up on the first, uh, meet and they're running, uh, typically running a 5k running about three miles, you know, over, uh, over that area between us and Miami. Um, and, And then what else do we have on there? Gym facilities. I mean, can't really do that, but we do have a gym at Grandview that's local. And then meditation is cool. I think that's different. We're not doing anything like that right now, but that can probably be integrated into what we already have going on. So yeah, so again, I think that being the number one is a good thing because we're already doing most of it. And I think we just probably need to promote it a little bit better. Educational programs. I think this ties back into at least the first one into that TED talk mentioned that we saw in question six. Not sure how valuable that is. I think every now and then we try to educate you all as residents on different programs that are available, but beyond that on cultural or scientific topics or whatever, I don't really think that's our role per se. But, you know, interesting nonetheless. Environmental education, absolutely do a lot of that already. Could do more. Same with habitat and wildlife. Cooking classes, again, not sure. That was probably one person who put that together. Workshop, social and community building.

We could do, if we have a food event, we could do a cooking competition. That could be fun. Yeah, that does sound fun. I actually think that Yeah, I would put a team together and compete.

Yeah.

You know, that might be a good way to get sponsors too, let the local restaurants compete. And if somebody, like I said, I would definitely have a team for that. I love to cook. So I'm sure we could get some pretty good turnouts if we organize that properly. And people will come out for the food if you have other food vendors, the food trucks, whoever owns a local restaurant.

Yeah. Judges and make it a little competition with judges and whatnot. Yeah.

I'd want to, I don't want to judge. I just want to be cooking.

Yeah. No, same here. Um, me and my wife cook a lot too. We got oven burns all over our arms when cooking.

Yeah, exactly.

And now, uh, we see block parties, book clubs, um, community collaboration events, neighborhood gatherings. I'll let you all discuss after I finish reading all this, but we can chat about those different things. Arts and culture art exhibits. I mean, we have plenty of public art. I think that probably means inviting an artist and doing some sort of art event specifically. Craft fairs, cultural events. Sports and rec, also do a lot of that. We have pickleball on the way with our new community center. We have two pickleball courts, four paddle courts. On Galleon Street and East Treasure. Um, community infrastructure services, community center access coming soon, uh, traffic and safety programs. And this, this, uh, piece here focused on a lot of like police related, um, you know, safety security kind of thing. So there was some of that, which is cool because, uh, as we've talked about before, community enhancement is, is kind of overarching. It's a different thing. It's not just a public art. Yeah.

So listen, here's another idea that I've discussed with the police chief that I saw done somewhere else. When you have a small community and you have a child that gets their driver's license, they have programs where they spend a day with a police officer. And the police officer, they drive the police officers with them. They watch videos on safety. Some of them visit a morgue. some of them try to you know these kids think they're invincible when they get behind the wheel of that vehicle you're not wrong you spend a day with a policeman they watch you drive the parents love the program so you know it's something to think about yeah that's a good point that's uh that's really cool and it kind of factors into our whole um brand of community policing you know which i think our cops do really well

So it's a good fit. Entertainment and markets, food trucks, farmers markets, open air movies. We do open air movies already. Live music. So some patterns there. Yeah, pretty obvious, pretty self-explanatory there. Um, another thought I had before you all discuss this question, if you like, um, I've seen other cities and I'm not sure if we have the bandwidth for this at the moment, but it's something that I think we can kind of build into is I've seen other cities do like a, uh, like a resident, um, what does that call? Like, like a resident, uh, education, uh, series, um, or like a program where you learn, where the average resident learns about how the city works and how it functions, like a bootcamp, like a resident bootcamp, a civic.

Yeah, yeah. I was just about to say like a civics course.

Yeah, exactly. And it's specific to our village, which I had the idea earlier today when we were onboarding our newest commissioner, Doris Acosta, And we had all our department heads seated around a table in our conference room talking about what each person does. And even, you know, working with these individuals on a daily basis, you hear from them and you pick up different things that you'd never really thought about, you know, that they do every day. So I thought to myself, and I've seen it in other places where, you know, we bring in just regular average residents who are curious and And we run them through an entire course of what every department does and how our budget works and all that kind of stuff. So I think that might be something I kind of lay the groundwork for and we see if that's feasible.

I love that idea. I would definitely do that.

Yeah. And, you know, it doesn't have to be that complicated at all. It can just be like different department heads coming in every week, you know, on a weekly basis. We meet one night and And we do that. So we'll figure that out. There's appetite for that.

Jacob? No, I was going to say, I like that idea a lot. That's what most businesses should be doing more often too. The same thing happens there. No one ever understands what anyone else is doing.

Yeah. Yeah. And I also like that. I also like that idea in support of like helping people understand how things work. And that leads to a more informed electorate and, you know, people have a better understanding. And that was very much kind of consistent with what was said the other night at the swearing in ceremony.

Yeah, exactly right. And as you all know, and I'm sure you've seen it, not just in the village, but, but nationally, we see a lot of misinformation when it comes to this kind of thing. And it's unfortunate, you know, it helps if people know what's going on and they can see what the truth is and all that. It's hard to navigate. Any comments, questions, observations here in question seven or

What I do think is interesting is that we are doing some of these things or they are happening in the village. So I'm curious, like, obviously these people are getting the newsletter, I assume in order to answer this question. So how else, or how can we better be marketing some of these events or, or I don't even sure what other systems we have in terms of aggregating all the different things that are happening in the community. Um, to try and make sure that folks know that these things are happening and have access to it.

Yeah, yeah. And actually, I would add to that, perhaps even more fundamentally, and I'm happy to kind of put all of this together, but an outline of what we have, what we'd like to have, and what we can reasonably kind of implement now, given we know the development is coming, and what we could implement once the development has arrived and then kind of sorting out and within each of those kind of time periods or time spans, if you will, sorting out the various venues that would be available for each of those time periods. And then we can kind of slot To my mind, we can kind of slot these activities into that sort of diagram so we have a better idea of what we can focus our attention more efficiently on now, what we don't need to focus on, and what we can kind of leave to a more long-term strategy.

Yeah, I can absolutely put something together for our next meeting.

I'm also happy to do that with you as well, Leo.

Yeah, yeah. No, we can definitely collaborate on that. That's fine with me.

I think another area you need to include with that is the preamble to when it gets better. It is going to be a mess here with this construction going on.

Yeah.

Traffic, noise, hours of work. The quicker we can get these things built and get these people out of here and get them operational, the better for everybody.

Yeah.

And there's going to be some growing pains. It's going to be noisy and it's going to be a lot of dust. And I mean, they need to be made aware this isn't going to be done in a vacuum. It's going to be done on their streets and they're going to be affected. I mean, look what's going to happen on North Treasure when we demolish when, you know, Andy demolishes those two buildings. It's going to be a mess and people are upset and it's noisy and dirty, my car is dirty and all that, but it's coming. It's just a fact of what we're going to be facing.

Yep. Yep. A hundred percent agreed. And I think that's something that at least I always like that. It's a question that I always have that I kind of stopped and I have to kind of like wrap my mind around when we talk about these kinds of community enhancement, like activities and programs. Where are we? Like, what is the timeline for implementing something? And where will the village be in terms of its development to be able to do it or not?

Yeah.

Yeah. But I love all of these.

Any other comments on this one?

No comments on this.

I really have no idea of... I really like the idea of the kind of the environmental, the environmental sustainable kind of programs that have been suggested here. It seems like it's like tied for a second at the moment in terms of what people, where people have mentioned it. I don't know to the extent that... I don't know the work that the Sustainability Board does, Leo. Would there be any overlap in terms of what they do? And if so, is there an opportunity to cross-collaborate with that board in thinking about these activities or programs?

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's definitely worth one or two of you attending their next meeting, if you like. you know, of course I'm happy to play that role and see what they're up to and kind of report back, but also their minutes are online on our website. Um, but I know, you know, they're engaged in, uh, cleanups every so often. I want to say they're quarterly, so maybe they could be more often. Um, but that, that does definitely fall into their, you know, in their department.

The interesting thing about that too is, so I was on that board, the, uh, for the founding year and after that. And it's interesting, a lot of times that one and community enhancement have similar ideas for community outreach. And so it's just a conversation. It's really simple. We call the chair, call the commissioner that's over there, whichever one it is. And it's a really easy opportunity for us to put our heads together. Because like I said, literally back in the day, I remember these meetings where I'm like, oh, we're doing the same thing. Why not do it together? So a lot of times the boards don't talk. And I think that that is the board that we should be talking to. And then even, you know, depending on what our outlook is for next year, you know, the financial board too, because there, there might be some opportunity in there and the budget for community events and things like that. So, you know, we can either ask Leo to get us some information and we can attend those meetings as well. And if they know that we're onto something that's really good for the community, there is sometimes either funding for that or funding that we can kind of borrow and collaborate with. So I think it's a really good idea to do that.

Yeah, and it's also worth mentioning that Mayor Rachel Streitfeld is coming in as a very, very environmentally aware public servant. So I think inviting her to this meeting as well is probably going to be beneficial. And I think we did that recently. I think we did that a couple of meetings ago where she talked about the ULI. Yeah, that was months ago. Yeah, time flies. But I'm happy to bring her back and let her know that you all are interested in talking to her about her favorite topic, you know.

Yeah, I know that's something Jacob and I have discussed quite a lot as part of like expanding, I suppose, the purview of this group. So I definitely, I would really be interested in looking more closely at things like that.

Yeah. Yeah. That sounds good. Um, anything else here? Move on.

Okay. So I guess, um, an immediate next step as far as what I personally would need from you all, it is some direction on, you know, what kinds of acts specifically I should be looking into in the next two months, um, you know, and going from there. So I think, uh, I personally love like a solo musician. I'm going to look into that. I'm going to look into what Frank mentioned about having a harpist. I feel like most people have never seen a harp. in person. So I think that would be very unique.

Would this be something that we would do at, say, the park? We could encourage people to bring a picnic and just come and hang out.

Absolutely. I'm less worried about the venue because we're just so limited on what those options could be. I think it's more on what specifically this group would like to see. uh so as specific as like this instrument you know if we're looking for a solo artist like tell me the instrument that you want to see uh if we're doing a small ensemble you know what kind of music you're you think the community would be interested in uh beyond music if there's any other immediate activity that comes to mind from this uh from this list here that you absolutely want to see you know I think solo musicians are absolutely more affordable, you know, easier to incorporate. So that's, that's something to think about, but you're curious to hear your, your thoughts. Yeah. Go ahead, Jacob.

I haven't been here for the holidays in terms of choirs and groups like that, but I'm curious if there are any already currently in the village or if there's smaller groups that do singing around here that might want to move between different businesses so we could promote a night where they sing at Petralunga for a half hour and then they move on to Osteria and then they move to whichever other spot, but it could be something really unique where it combines both business promotion and the singing. I like that idea.

Something that was like a business happy hour in the past where we would go from business to business. It's, you know, when it's all walkable, it's easy. You know, when you, when you're getting people to move and they have to find parking, a lot of times you'll lose them. They might come to one, but they won't come to all of them. We've had some people that go to all of them, but we also had like the, the, we had our public transportation that we took advantage of and you'll get some people out for that. I think the solo artist is great. You know, The Jimmy Buffett style is easy. There's a lot of people that would be like the kind of top 40, like what you see in Key Largo. Some of those singers that I can think of actually live in South, South Miami, the homestead area anyway. So they might be willing to come up for a really small amount of money. And then you have like, when you said choirs, there's, you know, different church groups, high schools, colleges, and even adult groups that are together for dance performances and singing that are always looking for a location. they don't always need to get paid. You know, sometimes it's like a donation, like it could be a few hundred dollars donation to one of these groups to help pay for their outfits or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, so, you know, what you do is you do donations and things like that, or we say, Hey, uh, you know, in exchange, we're going to have a photographer there. We'll send you professional photos and we'll have a videographer and we'll give you the footage, you know, so you can always trade since we have resources in the city as well. Um, If we can't get it a hundred percent for free, but I think that would be a really good way. Even if we did like a, I don't know, it could be a cultural dance experience. If we had enough time and could get enough people to do it. I know like in Washington, DC, we do a lot of that where you have like the Tahitian and the Hawaiian groups come out, all different types of groups. Um, you know, down here, there's not as many, you know, there's a lot of Latin dance groups here that are, that are always looking for opportunities to perform. So. That's kind of my point.

You'd be surprised at the diversity, though, I think, as well. Like when I was up in Vermont earlier this summer visiting my parents, there was a Zimbabwean performer who was doing a bunch of stuff. And I wasn't aware that there were many Zimbabweans in Vermont, but I guess there are.

And a solo flamingo dancer is very popular, too.

Yeah. I know a lot that would do it just to perform, just to have some footage and photos.

Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah oh nice and then also some of the good ones i saw one not too long ago they'll incorporate some of the newer pop songs that you know you know younger people kids will know you know they kind of play you know they'll play classics too but then you'll hear stuff and you're like hey that's like a pop radio song that you're able to play solo on the violin and then like you were saying like maybe some of the i believe that the when i saw this it was at like a It was not like a banquet, but I think it was like a student violinist getting paid for, you know, a couple hours of playing different songs.

affordable easier to find yeah yeah i love the idea of reaching out like frank suggested of reaching out to the schools around here i think is it the frost school of music that's at um yeah there's a couple of really prestigious um music programs like similar to like like you know like berkeley and for example and

And it was interesting to see people, like, you know, pick up on, like, oh, hey, you guys hear that? Oh, that's that Taylor Swift song she's playing. And then, oh, man. And then it kind of gets you more into it as opposed to just some ensemble songs of classical music that people don't recognize.

I can tell you that New World is rated right up there with Juilliard.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, New World. Yeah, that's what New World is now.

top of the line uh performers are coming out of there yeah and that's that's downtown as well so it's pretty close yeah i'm not sure that we honed in on anything there leo um do you need to give you let's let's start let's start with uh with solo artists you know let's start with that and uh We don't have to wait to have another meeting. I'm happy to send you all different things that I find and kind of get your feedback on an individual basis and go from there. So that's no issue there. My next question is, I would love to do something not at Vogel Park. I would love to do something elsewhere. I think that it needs to be somewhere that's high traffic. uh you know dense area which is not hard to find in the village right but um i want it to be something where you hear music from different parts and you kind of are interested and you're curious and you're you know looking for it kind of thing you know um so if you want to maybe talk a little bit about that and maybe give me some some um some perspective on what mary is

I think with some promotion, like right outside Petralunga on the marina, I think would be a kind of cool area. I think that's like an underutilized space, especially for boaters that come into, like, I think it'd be kind of cool to see people come in.

And it's worth mentioning, I'm sorry to interrupt you. It's worth mentioning, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to focus on like, like doing it in a restaurant. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't want to be, I have to be careful.

Right.

Right. Yeah. I don't want to promote one business and then have others say, Hey, why are you doing that there?

You know, that kind of city, if the city does that, they have to do it in all of them. And then everybody's going to kiss the plant. Why did you give them a five piece? And we only got a three and, It's got to be city-owned property is the way to do it or in partnership with as a sponsor.

Yeah. I'm not aware of much city-owned property. So if someone wants to give me more locations, we have plenty.

No, we have a bunch. We have all the green space. All the green space is owned by the city.

There's very minimal green space here.

All the island walk areas, so behind every property that has given us access to their island walk. We do a lot with Moda, so maybe not the first thing that we do should be there, but definitely incorporate that.

That's the one all the way in Harbor Island?

Yeah, West Drive. Yeah.

I guess the point being, like, if we want it to be somewhere where it's more accessible and, like, heard, like, a place in Harbor Island in the corner is not going to do it. And especially, I don't think an island walk area like that where there's no other, like, businesses around.

Yeah.

So definitely, like, along the highway.

Yeah. other than a parking lot, which you just got to get permission from the, from the landowners. And that's not hard.

I was going to say, but that's because she Erica, that lot as well could be an option in the evening.

It's empty.

You can get them to give you the parking. That's always the, that's always the tough one anyway, but yeah, but, but the point is let's focus on what type of events and we'll figure out the venues later. I think that's, that's the way to do it.

That's fine with me. Okay. Any other final comments, thoughts on this questions for me, for Frank, Are we good?

At what point will we be able to start utilizing the field behind the elementary school for event space for the public?

I mean, we do that right now. So the question is when will we stop using that?

Yeah, well, that's, but I know that they're, they have, so anyway, yeah. Well, like I said, I've seen some city events, but you know, that's a really good venue with a lot of parking. It's just getting people there. They have to know. um it is yes you know if it's a figure in the air that's always the place that i've seen you know we we did the dog what do we do we did a dog adoption fashion show there a couple times we've done that and then the police department's done events there and the school's always been really good about giving us the space you know and working with us there um it's an easy venue everybody can walk into it you know there's a lot of parking there for the non treasure island residents i think that if it's a smaller event you know we have civic park uh know vulnerable it just depends on on the size i think and what the point is but yeah we should try to do both treasury and harbor you know and you know before the construction starts over there on treasure also you know would be nice to do an event or two intentionally before the construction starts yeah for for the half a project something else i'm going to look into which um

the choir idea that was mentioned. I think that's a great idea, especially this time of year. I'm going to see what our events team is looking to do for the holidays and see if there's any room for us to enhance any existing programming. We have some stuff like tree lighting or something like that. We do. We have the tree lighting on the 4th of December. I'm not sure what the program looks like for that event, so I have to ask about that. But maybe there's room there for us to work on that event. Commissioner Acosta, when she was, you know, talking about what her priorities are, I brought this up to her and she mentioned that she'd love to help, you know, sponsor different things that are going on. So we'll look and see. Yeah.

What about a choir walk? Yeah, that's kind of what I was referring to between the different restaurants and stuff. I guess points to you.

Well, I was thinking like residential. We used to do that. We used to do when Mayor Latham first got elected, we would do walks with him. The vice mayor would come out and some of the commissioners. We did one that was like a bunch. We had some artists come with us actually when they're doing art in the city later. But they like it. Our commissioners and I know, you know, Mayor Streiffeld likes it as well. So that, that might be a good way to get people to come out in the neighborhood, you know, meet up at a place. Cause like I said, the restaurants are tough from a city's perspective, um, playing favorites, cause then you gotta do something in all of them. But since we have, I'm trying to figure out what the space is, that might be an interesting way to show people some of the space too. Like if we wanted to show off some of the art behind, um, what is it over there, just south of the bridge? south of the East bridge on treasure. A lot of people haven't even seen that entire wall. So this might be an opportunity where we meet up at one location and say, Hey, here's where we're going to be going and do a 30, 45 minute walk and kind of show people some different places they haven't seen. You know, I think that's a good way to get some awareness going for us too, if we do it right.

Sounds good.

Okay. You can meet there in front of the school, this parking, like, you know, that, that might be a good spot. And then, walk over go down behind grand view um and then you know obviously if it was in treasure it'd be treasure that day and it would have to be on harbor another day or north bay if they allowed us but um i think we could get enough people out there you know we could try to schedule two of those in december if it makes sense you know one on treasure one on harbor sounds good

Let me throw one more event out that you might consider down the road. So I live over in a community just across the bay in Belle Meade. And we have an annual Halloween dog parade. And they put the dogs all in costumes. In fact, a lot of them, the handler's in a costume that goes with the dog and And let me tell you what, it draws a huge crowd. Then you have a panel and they judge the dogs and then they give out some little trophies and people really, really love it. So it's just, you know, something down the road, but it's a neat event. You might be able to collaborate with the animal welfare board and they, you know, do something together like with that. But I'm telling you, it is a winner.

Yeah, that's great. I like it.

I love that.

All right. I'm going to share the Pirates Alley ULI presentation. We could talk about that. Okay. Can you all see that? Yep. I love it.

Okay. So we'll do a quick run through the slides. Make it quick.

But we'll see what the short... Can you email that to us too?

I think we have that already, right?

Yep. You do. Yeah, I sent it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So these are the different stakeholders that kind of surround the alley. So what's really cool is ULI, the team from the Urban Land Institute met with each stakeholder separately, which was great, very thorough, comprehensive kind of report.

Just come through some pictures here.

Okay, so summary of recommendations. So short-term, beautification, repaving, landscaping, canopies, upgraded dumpster enclosures, and public art, resilience, green infrastructure that reduces flooding, activation, temporary container coffee shop. That's very wishful thinking, but maybe for the long term. Temporary dog park and resident requested activities. Okay, so this is what was proposed. Let me zoom in a little bit more. And where we are right now is this is not necessarily a priority at the moment. That's kind of up to you all if that's something that you really want to push. We can bring that up to the commission and see if all this are things that they want to kind of start working on in the immediate. But it just seems like this is probably maybe for a later date. But maybe there's things in there that are doable now that we just haven't really looked at that you all are interested in. So these are the renderings that they sent us. The challenge is there, I would say the main challenge, and Frank talks about this all the time, is the delivery trucks that have to go through there to deliver goods to the Presidente supermarket. So we need to establish delivery times with them. That's a challenge, but they said that they were willing to do that. We want to make it a one-way, well, it is a one-way, but we want to kind of cut off that half of the street for bikes and pedestrians.

I'll let you read this quickly.

And the dumpsters are absolutely an eyesore in that area if you've walked through there. So they recommended that we kind of update the appearance there and do public art on the gates that are covering the dumpsters. And this is Village Hall right there on the right.

Is Village Hall part of the redevelopment, Liam? As in like the existing Village Hall building?

part of question development. No, we're building our own building. We're going to have a building over on Harbor. You know, we're the big across the street from the cell.

I know that, but I'm just wondering what they're doing with the building that is currently housing the village.

We're not aware of any plans that they have to sell or anything like that.

I'll tell you what I think, but yeah, I have a feeling I know what's going to happen in the next year on that, but anyway, nothing official to report.

Frank, since you're here, I don't recall, but do you remember if there's been any development on that green space behind Sushi Siam? I know that, uh, prior to your arrival, we had been looking into that.

Yeah.

Yeah. We had been looking into the, the owners of that. I think it is the same sushi Siam folks. Um, I'm just not quite sure right now where, where that conversation ended up. Do you know anything else about that?

I dealt with them when I was here previously and they weren't interested in making offering out for anything. It was very close to the vest with them.

Yeah. Because I think we had a plan to try and get them to lease us that space and turn it into like a pocket park or something. Yeah, I think that's right.

I mean, we could revisit it again. There's certainly no, you know, maybe we can give an incentive to them in some way, whether we enhance it, we maintain it.

know that type of thing uh yep i mean talk about going off of like that pocket coffee shop and park idea like that space right there there's plenty of room for like different containers to house like different like food truck kind of style spots so if that is something we're able to do um it would be interesting yeah what's um the i think what's how what is going to be good about this conversation today is um What's going on with Presidente? Is that staying long-term? Is it not staying long-term? These conversations around... It's not. It's all getting redeveloped.

That entire lot there, even where the Happy's is, it's all been sold.

That entire... Okay, yeah, yeah. So the question becomes, we keep talking, we've talked multiple times around like the access for trucks to come in and drop off groceries, like, that's obviously not going to be a long term requirement for that specific group, but the groups that are coming in, like, I think spending our time focusing on what do we want this to end up looking like, and then working with those developers that are developing those sites to help make it possible that fits within our designs or hopes for that area, it's probably going to be the best use of our time versus like trying to- I think we have engaged a bunch of the stakeholders that are the developments as part of this report.

So on that point, I pulled up the meeting recaps for each development. So- Or not developer, but businesses also, you know, KLA schools is there. The most important meeting that was had was with Sunbeam, who owns the supermarket area. And they have what's called a special area plan, which came as a result of them owning so much land on both sides of the causeway. So they are the ones that we want to talk to when it comes to establishing collaboration and relationships with doing stuff in the alley. You can see the takeaways here from that meeting. Pirates Alley should be used for ingress, egress, commercial vehicles that will service their phase one multifamily retail projects. They're supportive of restricting commercial vehicle usage to certain times. to allow it to become a pedestrian walkway. And they're skeptical that the alley can be transformed into a vibrant commercial district, similar to Lincoln Road, given the potential residential stakeholder opposition. Yeah. So advocating- That's been a thing.

A lot of the residents don't want to have like businesses back there. Some do and some don't because you have, what you guys got to look at, if you look at the map, there's apartments behind it that face it. And so not everybody- A lot of people are happy facing the alley because the alley is not that busy, but they don't want to face businesses where it becomes more people and more sound and more noise and more voices. It's just a 50-50 thing sometimes on that.

I think we all agree that we don't want to see any permanent things there. We want to, we agree that it should be like a, like a, you know, uh, like a temporary space making, you know, farmer's market thing every couple of weeks or whatever the case is. So I think everyone's pretty much in agreement there. Um, and that, uh, that hopefully pokes a hole in that, in that statement they made. Um, I again, that's a, it's a breeze point. That's, you know, probably the long-term. Yeah. Those kinds of things.

I mean, there are definitely things, I mean, it, it depends on budget, but there are definitely like, there is low hanging fruit here in terms of just making it nicer, just in terms of like, like that middle, that, that middle picture right there, like where you've kind of, you properly paved the pedestrian side and you probably, you've got a, like a properly sealed road kind of driving side. But again, whether this is part of the more general framework of the development or whether this is like something that um we can kind of like reasonably drive is another question i have like yeah well i think also cost cost wise like what's the cost investment in this versus is it two three years away is it worth doing it now or just i think that's it yeah yeah i mean it's a good i mean i love the i love the um I love the artwork on the road there on the right. Like that's super cool.

Yeah, that's colorful. The good news is we're going to have impact feeds from the developers. So there's things that you could do that are called city improvements and this would fall into that. So it's, like I said, the main thing is what do we want to do with it now? The long-term stuff is going to come depending on, you know, I guess kind of what we create. Doing something permanent is not an option, so what do you do temporary? But, you know, they're going to activate it one way or another at some point.

I can only speak to the small steps that we've taken to do something there and – And that so far has been, and Frank, you can correct me if I'm wrong. So far, we've looked at quotes for string lights, which are expensive because they have to be elevated due to the commercial vehicles that are coming through there. So we have to put poles up along the alley. And we're not sure if it would be the whole alley that we want to do string lights for or only a piece of it, you know, that kind of thing. Um, but that's kind of the only step we've taken in this direction, just to get a sense of, you know, what the immediate costs are. In our opinion, that was a, a simple first step that we could take to beautify it. Uh, and the quotes that we got were a little bit over a hundred thousand. Um, so it, you know, excited to take on return.

And I commission about that.

Yeah.

Um, that that's, uh, something that we saw and, and, you know, everybody was a little, little skeptical, I think.

All right. So let me jump in here just a second.

Um, as it is with all these types of projects, you need a champion that sits on that dais to champion the cause. And I have met with each one of the commissioners for their priorities. And the number one priority of Commissioner Cook is Pirates Island. So right there, we got somebody that we can or, you know, the committee can home in on and get some support for something there. Now, some of the things that we look at, we say, what can we do now? Well, you know, what we could do now is we could repave that and put it in better shape. And you could put a roller hockey rink in there for the kids to play roller hockey. Wouldn't be very expensive. It would be something that you could put up and take down much like we do with the soccer. We can light it up. They could use it in the evening time. And the roller hockey is tremendously popular with the kids once they get into it. I mean, it's just an idea. There's the pavement. It's just not being utilized. for anything except driving the trucks on. So there are a lot of things with a park and this, that, and the other that are that narrow space are very difficult to do. But short term, you could probably probably have a pretty neat roller hockey program going on that strip of in the early evenings.

It's a good idea. The other option too is I know that in Miami Beach at one of the top of the parking garages, they just have pickleball nets. And so they have lines just painted out. So when there's openings, people just like move the nets in. And so I don't know if there's space for that, but we could think about something like that to activate the space in the weekends or in hours that are not being used by the commercial trucks.

Yeah. I mean, in the evenings it's dead except for people walking along there. There's really nothing else happening.

Yep.

I know you guys showed a photo of the, I don't know what it's called, the edges of the sidewalks. I think they have a name, but they're like painted. Bullbats. Bullbats, that's what it's called. I noticed that, yeah, down bottom left corner of that other image of where the bike path was.

Here?

No, down more, one more.

Oh, here.

Oh, yeah. Bottom of curb appeal. That's what it is. I noticed that not all. So it looks like Harbor Island has that and not all the spots do it. I was curious, like, is that something that's still in the works to be continued throughout the islands or where we where is that project?

Oh, that's that project has been completed for Harbor. And artists, I think Nick, you know, and personally, um, uh, German Dubois, uh, Hope Murals, Inc. Um, he, uh, he did the whole thing for a reason, very reasonable rate because he's a, he's a resident of Harbor Island. So he would just come downstairs, you know, knock a few people out and do that. Um, so. Yeah.

I mean, a lot of the houses residents didn't want that. Like North Bay does not want that. A lot of the, a lot of the owners and treasure don't want it. Residents of treasure didn't want it. It's kind of like. Got it. You know, where are you going to put it? I mean, we can always propose ideas, but you're going to get opposition depending on where it is. I mean, even over here, not everyone has to like art. It's subjective, right? And it's personal. But I think that if a certain percentage is for art in general in an area and a certain percentage is for a style, then it works. Because if you have, you know, let's say over the time we're going to have 15, 20 different art installations here. Great. If each person likes two or three a lot and there's a couple that they don't like, we need to be okay with that because that's just the way that art is. Some aren't going to care at all. Some are going to be super opinionated because they're opinionated about what kind of bird is this or what kind of car they drive or whatever. It is what it is. You're not going to win everything, but I know that we did get a pretty big outcry against it where the single-family homes are.

Let me throw something else out when we talk about the bulb-outs that are on Treasure Island.

Yeah, those are going to be replaced anyway, they're talking about.

Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of long-term. We're going to have to rebuild the roads in there, and that's going to be a big change that's going to take place.

The planters stay where the planters go. That's happening soon in the next 24 months, so I think that that – in that area wouldn't make sense to do any art right now.

I think we should put it in front of the school maybe. No, I agree.

In front of the school could be interesting, right? I think up and down that road, but I would limit it to that road alone for now just because of the process.

I have some thoughts on that road as well that I'm not sure who they need to get to or not, but when we're finished with Pirate's Alley, that is a road that I do want to speak about.

Yeah, yeah. All right, so let me get this back to, so when I was here originally, there were some palms in some of those bulb outs that were in pretty bad shape. And anyway, I had all those oak trees installed that are in there now that were like, just like skinny little, you know, saplings when we put them in, but they've grown now over the years to a pretty good size. So the other day, you're probably aware of this project or heard of it that's been going on for years in the county with Fairchild, is a Million Orchid program. So I had the guy out a couple of weeks ago and we drove all of Treasure Island. And they're going to put a proposal together for me to install the orchids on all those trees. And it's really stunning when you see what they can do. And there's some bucks attached to it, but we've got money on the side with the plantings and that type of thing. We have money for that. So I'm curious what they come back with. But I think that would be something that would be kind of neat to install on those trees while they're there. And... When we redo the roads, there's been talking to the bulb outs coming out altogether to try to get more parking. So I'm not really sure how that's going to end up. But in the meantime, for a few years, we could probably enjoy that project if we're able to pull it off. And it would be pretty spectacular to have those flowers blooming up and down those streets. So we're working on that. When we go to rebuild those roads, It's another one of those projects are going to be very painful just because of the logistics of moving the cars around and you don't rebuild those roads overnight. It's quite a job. When you get in there and redo the roads, it's only going to make sense to replace the sewer lines and the water lines because that infrastructure is in bad shape too. So you're talking major Major infrastructure work when we get into that. But it's coming. We got to do it all over the village. That's why we're still in moratorium in some areas because of the infiltration into these sewer lines.

Yeah.

Jacob, you want to talk about that road that you were mentioning?

Yeah. I wanted to bring up... So one of the things that I've noticed in different areas of Miami is that not all the developers are... or it doesn't seem like a lot of the developers are partnering with the city or the city is just not thinking about how like Ubers and Lyfts and other types of traffic happen. So like in downtown, there's tons of buildings that have been put up where there isn't space for Ubers and Lyfts. And so they sit on the road and they end up taking up an entire lane of traffic, causing more backup. And that intersection in particular is going to have Publix and another building, and it already has Grandview. And so I'm curious how we can or what there is to do about that kind of concern, whether or not we need to have legislation around where Ubers and Lyfts can be or how to help with traffic there, because there is going to be a significant amount of cars trying to turn there into Publix and into that street.

And the public school.

Yeah. That's, that's, there's going to be, well, there's that. And then the light that's there as well, like you're going to have a lot of cars coming in and out of publics. And depending on where the entrance is for that building, they're also going to be using that light where there's not a lot of traffic study.

That's what they do.

Well, we'll have to like talk about that though. Like, cause it's going to be bigger than, I don't know.

Yeah. It's in the plans. It's in the, if you look at the 100 year master plan, when they start doing all that, And then when they, I think, Leo, I know that when they start changing, when they start the construction and development, once the projects get built, that's going to be something that they're going to have to do anyway, because it's going to change the number of cars in the road and where they're going. And so part of it is- But is that after they build it? Well, that's what I was getting at. So a lot of it happens kind of after, because you don't know, sometimes you know what the bottlenecks and problems are going to be, but it depends on how they do it. I've seen the city do it afterwards.

I think with this you can anticipate that there's going to be a significant amount more cars going into that area and that if we don't have anything legislatively around like Ubers and Lyfts and where they can pull up or not, even today with Grandview, there's not that many that are going in, but they do block off one side of the street when there's cars going down there. Frank, do you want to jump in?

I'm saying I am sure there's already been a traffic study that came along with that package for them to get permitted on a development plan. So there's got to be an initial traffic study that's already been done and how they're going to address it. I think you bring up a good point with a cutout to where you can have these drop-offs, much like a bus type thing, where people can pull in. Because there'll be people Ubering to go to Publix and they're not going to bring a car because there's Even with the parking that's there, a lot of people are getting away from using their cars. They're Ubering, lifting, and yada, yada. And don't forget, we'll probably increase the use of a circulator or two. As these projects begin to come up, people need to get around. And we're going to have to address that. The whole service delivery capability of the village in the way of police and and solid waste and all that type of thing is going to be impacted by these buildings that are coming in. And we need to start planning for that now as to what, how are we going to address what the impact of these things are going to be? And that's a good point with having the pull spaces out where you can have the sidewalks indented or set back so you can have drop-off and pickups. And when you talk about drop-off and pickups, you might as well incorporate it right down the road in front of ties because you see what that's like in the morning and in the afternoon. Now you add the traffic to Publix and, you know, it's, I mean, you see it now and, uh, I think that's a good point. I will make a note of that and we'll see what we've done with Shoma on that East Treasure.

Yeah, I think even, I mean, I don't, I mean, Grandview obviously already exists and I live here and so does Chris, but there's opportunity there to potentially work with them because there's a lot of structures there that are just kind of sitting in the way. But if we could expand the road in some way or provide access, because even turning into the building causes a traffic jam sometimes because of the way that they put up the gate to keep people out. Like there's a lot of considerations that are like private there that are not just like the public that are going to cause issues.

Yeah, you're right. It's already kind of rough, and you can tell that it's going to get rougher in that little intersection there.

Yeah.

So as far as the alley goes, I'll definitely talk about what you guys mentioned to Commissioner Cook, who Frank mentioned has made this a priority. I think in the short term, we can look at beautifying that alley. And like Frank mentioned, you know, we were looking to repave that as well. So we'll see what we can do there. Any comments on that?

Any questions? Yeah. Repaving is definitely a good start to make it easier to walk or ride or skate through.

Yeah. We did a little bit of that when I was here before, but it, You so interfere with the deliveries. That's the problem with shutting those. They need stuff every day. But listen, there's a way to work it out. Have any of you seen the resurfacing or the seal coating that's going on in Harbor Island right now? Looks pretty nice.

Yeah, it looks great. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, just a little bit of, I mean, Commissioner Darrow has really, you know, pushed that project to get it up to the forefront. And a little bit of pain right now, trying to get the cars in and out, closing one half the lane and all that. So it's taken.

Sorry, I've been pretty quiet this meeting, but I've been listening in. I had to put a child down to sleep. My wife was out. But I also, you know, Cook, it's great that he champions this, but I also definitely support initiatives for Pirate's Alley. I think beautifying it as simple as landscaping and, you know, repaving like we're doing simple seal coating would be a great start. I don't think, I mean, you said before a coffee shop, you know, like a coffee food truck. would be out of the question. I don't think necessarily something like that, that could be a little bit more full-time in there and parlaying on what we were speaking about before as kind of just a one-off event to kind of even introduce the space. Maybe I think Frank was even starting to mentioning something, but it's not to rule out that we couldn't do a live concert in Pirate's Alley. Right. I mean, we could kind of combine these two as kind of an introduction to just say, hey, like, look, we do have this space that we're going to try to make more, you know, whether it's the soloist that you guys were talking about or whoever we kind of pick to perform in this space. I'd be happy. Yeah. Using budget to, you know, idolize and kind of do this. And maybe we can kind of cross two of these. um two initiatives is kind of like uh an event or something to kind of segue it and get some more ideas going and more energy and more people in the space and i think you know maybe that would be a first start to kind of revitalize the space so yeah so i mean anything anything to group also you know definitely definitely support any of these initiatives for pirates alley big or small um So, you know, I'm right behind it as well.

Thank you, Commissioner.

Okay. Great. We bring the agenda back up. Okay, I don't really have any updates other than in December, at the December meeting, December 10th, the commission will decide and approve those of you that would like to remain on this board. We've received applications for a number of boards, including this one, I believe. So, you know, they'll make the decision on who stays and who goes. I'm kidding. It's not like that. But if you'd like to stay, you know, I think there was an opportunity for you to let the clerk's office know and should probably check your email. I think all of you already did that. So thank you for that. And then you all will skip December. I don't think we have any board meetings in December due to the holidays. And we'll meet again in January. And that's when you all will decide on your new chair and vice chair. And we will pick this conversation up where we leave it off today. So we'll keep things moving.

Great. Can I also make a request if it suits people to have the next meeting in January in person, Leo?

Yes, please.

Yeah, absolutely. We can, we can arrange for that for sure. Yeah.

Can we meet in the town hall?

What was the question? We can do it at Village Hall. Yeah. We can use the dais if that's something you all are interested in.

We can do it there. We could do it in other spaces too. We have, you know, I don't know if you all know, but there's art being installed shortly here on the north side of the bay over behind Moda. They've offered to let us use their meeting space a few times. That's the only place that has electricity and bathrooms. The other place that has art would be outdoor at Vogel. We've had meetings there before. It just depends on the weather.

If we want to work on Pirate's Alley too, maybe we host a meeting. Maybe we meet there. We could also meet at Village Hall and then walk right there.

That's a good point.

Yeah, there we might be coming up with more ideas when we're physically in it. Yeah, definitely.

I like it. Awesome.

Okay, so we'll do that. That's pretty much it for me. Commissioner, do you have any other general updates you want to share?

No, that was it. I just kind of added in at the end. Definitely, I think we should utilize some short term, even if they're small improvements to Pirate's Alley, throw public art in there, pave, landscaping. I'm all for small victories. I think they go a long way to bring in the space.

You got a little jealous there.

We kept dropping Cook's name and we didn't drop yours. If he wants to champion it, that's good. But just to let him know, you know, I'm co-supporting it, you know, and I definitely would be supporting initiatives and funding and, you know, efforts and energy that go into bringing Pirates Alley. I've always thought it's a underutilized space that has a lot of potential. The Lincoln Road of North Bay Village, so to say, you know. Yeah. I've always kind of, I always do kind of believe in it. It just, yeah. I mean, we've always kind of talked with it. It's just, someone's got to start it up. You know, I don't know how, I don't know how this thing gets going, you know?

And that's why I said, maybe it's got to start somewhere. Yeah.

Start somewhere. Right. You know, start small.

We've tried a few times.

Yeah. No, I'll, I'll, I'll get together with Frank and for January, we'll have some, some more meaningful updates on, on our next steps. You know, what we plan to do there besides repaving and, and, Probably a focus on improving the aesthetic when it comes to the dumpsters back there, that kind of thing. I think that's immediate. And the landscaping, of course. So we'll do that.

And I've always also questioned why it needs two lanes in Pirate's Alley. So there's always spaces that I think you could fold even that wouldn't obstruct traffic flow if you just shut off. half the lane in some areas so i feel like there is some spaces that you could temporarily you know permanently shut down not just um not just temporary if you know thought of diligently yeah okay uh public comments no public comments

uh so i mentioned some of the items that we'll probably be looking at in january is there anything else that comes to mind right now that we want to include you're also of course more than welcome to email myself in the clerk's office later on to add anything so we can just leave it there you all like anything going once going twice okay cool mr chair would you like to request a motion to adjourn

I'd like to make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Can I get a second?

Second. All right. All in favor?

Aye. Meeting adjourned at 7.56. Thank you, everybody, for your time.

If I don't see you guys, have a happy holidays.

That's right. Everybody have a happy Thanksgiving. Hope you're all spending it, sharing it with some loved ones and

There we go.

It's time to eat lots of good food.

Amen. Yes, sir.