Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Then I go in later in the day when the light changes. Uh, good morning. I will call the November 18th, 2025 Norfolk Planning Commission meeting to order, inform the public about the uh, open meetings act in the northwest corner of the building, and ask for a roll. Wait here. Sock Simonson here. Hky Hawford here. Kubby here. Griffith here. Kee here. Ronfelt here. I'd ask for approval of the full agenda. Move to approve. Second. Please vote.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. Consideration of approval of the minutes of the Norfolk or excuse me the November 4th, 2025 planning commission meeting. Move to approve. Second. Please vote.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. At this time, we'll open the public hearings of um items number six and 8. the public hearing at the request of Raymond and Julie Stala to consider a zoning change from a agricultural district to I1 light industrial district on property generally located 1 half mile west of the intersection of 61st street and highway 275 and the same request for Raymond and Julie Stala at and Q excuse me uh OQ Enterprises LLC to consider a zoning change from agricultural district to rural residential on property generally located 1 half mile west of the intersection of 61st Street and Highway 275. Anyone here to speak on behalf?

Good morning everyone.

Morning Uh my name is Ray Stala and uh basically what we're trying to do, we have about 22 acres west of town uh that Highway 275. We're just south of the highway. And what we'd like to do is uh split those two that 22 acres into two separate lots. Um um I'll let the Olsen's and Kevin Bakes talk to you about what they want to do out there, but probably the the biggest thing is the purple areas. They're going to be zoned rural residential. um up there on I don't know which lot is that? Lot one,

lot two.

Lot two. There's already an existing home there and we'd like to keep that home there so that we can uh I don't know, preserve what's there and then zone the rest of it light industrial. And I think there's going to be some shops and maybe some storage units there. But I'd ask you just to consider it and and uh it'd be very similar to what's out there already. Uh we have Johansson's greenhouse there that is a commercial application with a house on it and we have Bucks Pumping which is right across the highway and and that's storage units with a rural with a house on it also. So any questions? Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Good morning. Uh Chuck Olsen. I represent OQ Enterprises. It stands for Olsson Quarter Horses. Uh is what OQ is. Uh we own the property uh on the south side, the large rectangle in the red there. Uh operate Arista Ranch out of there. Do horse training, breeding program. Um, a barn was built uh there for that purpose and had a hospitality suite out there. Um, that uh we we use for for the horse operation. Um, we are looking at purchasing half of that south

half of the property that Ray just mentioned. Um, and utilizing that for an additional shop uh for equipment. Um my son Andrew is a new shareholder in OQ Enterprises and um needs a shop for his business and we just we're kind of outgrowing you know we need to kind of separate the horse operation from uh all of his equipment and things like that which you know consists of you know big vehicles and big equipment type stuff. Um and it's not a great idea to have that stuff sitting outside all the time. So, the idea is to have that south side of the property in yellow there uh as industrial so that we can put a shop out there. Been in communication with Val and and other people within the city to kind of get some guidance on how to put this together. Um, as Ray mentioned, the purple area will will stay um as uh or would like to have that house stay there. um long-term planning that was suggested was that if we ever wanted to build a home out at Harista, it would need to have a separate real residential spot. So, we've located an area, it's a little over 3 acres, and thought we'd kind of try and do all of this at once. Made sense as opposed to coming back uh 5 years from now or 10 years from now, cuz that I think that's the long-term idea that we would eventually build a house uh out there. We wouldn't. Andrew probably would, but uh to be near the operation to be able to help run the horse facility and things. So, any questions?

So, the the barn that's already there is just north of where that flag lot is of Rorow residential. Yeah, where Val's highlighting there, that's where the current barn is, where Rrista Ranch is. The purple area up top uh is where there's a home currently there. And that is that home occupied currently? Yes. Okay.

Yep. So Ray and Julie own that currently. The lot line that we're talking about for division purpose would be on the south side of that purple line. Purple uh and then go straight across east and west. And we would be looking at purchasing that south side. There's no concern that the house sits right on that property line or right on that division line.

Yeah, there's there's electrical on the south side of that line. So, the line was was um the property line right where Val's got the the cursor right there is the property line and there's electrical uh just on the on the north side of that property line. So, we wanted to keep the keep the line distant enough from the house and and uh the house currently is owned by Ry and rented by my son currently right now. So, no complaints. Yeah. Fairly setbacks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Is there no need for easements or anything like that?

No. That's what the flag lots are for to make sure that there is future I mean they don't have to change anything the way it is right now. Everybody can still share the driveway, but platting we are putting actual um public road access to everybody. So just in case in the future people don't get along with each other, there's not your son or someone else that's doing the bidding. Okay. Yeah. And the house is on a minimum 3 acre lot for well and septic since we don't have water and sewer out there. So it it's a larger lot out there for the house too.

Okay. Yep. So, the property that we're talking about purchasing would still be in the under OQ Enterprises. Um, but as you can see, it butts up to the other OQ which we were going to leave as agg.

Mhm. So, that's so I understand it right. That's going to be I1 in the yellow, right? So, the yellow is the I1 proposal and the pink purple is the RR proposal. And there isn't uh we did talk to the future owner of the north part and Chuck about when they do build that, they would be responsible for the buffer yards against the the other uses. So, um what what are the buffer yards from I1 to RR? It'd be 40 ft.

Okay. And to the south of the lot that they're so the I1 in the yellow to the south is that that's still egg, right? That isn't being changed from a because it's large enough. You still have what 60 70 acres something like that. Yeah. Okay. So the renters of that that unit and the owner Ray, they know that I won is pretty much fair game for anything coming in there. Mhm. Yep.

As you know, just just so that's on the on the record that whomever wants to purchase that around that that lot can put about anything they want in there. Mhm. Okay. Yep. Any other questions? Thank you.

Morning. Morning. I'm Kevin Vates. Uh I'll be the individual purchasing the north half. Our intent uh is basically keep the house there. Obviously, we've been talking on potentially putting storage units in there, oversized storage units, uh is what we're looking at doing. And also, uh my son and I are owner of Bakes Drywall and possibly looking at putting a shop out there, too, for our drywall business and our equipment, too. So, uh I don't know. I just kind of let you guys know what's kind of going on there, too, so we're all on the same page. And if you guys got any questions, uh obviously feel free to reach out and let me know. Any questions,

Val? Is that This is outside of the purview of the overlay district currently. Yes.

Um I would just say make it nice, right? If there are storage units put up there, um, make them visibly nice, right? Since it's outside of our purview of the overlay district, we can't necessarily control what what goes on there. But, uh, and we're looking at having indoor storage and not really any outdoor is what we're looking at right now. Just trying to keep it cleaner that way also. Uh, so you you know when you're driving down the highway, you know, you have some nice building to look at instead of just a bunch of stuff sitting out in a fence. Yeah. No, I appreciate it.

So, all right. Thanks. Anyone else like to speak on behalf of item number six and or eight or in opposition for that matter. These are all public hearings. Seeing none, I'll close item number six and eight and open it up for discussion. I think those who stated uh came up and spoke did a nice job of explaining the situation

and you have an industrial around the area too. So, I mean, they obviously know what's they're getting into. I appreciate the future planning specifically for that flag lot for the residential. Uh I'm just going to comment on your keep it keep it nice. I've been a customer of both Arista Ranch and V drywall. I don't think that's a concern for me.

Okay. Just because it's out of the outside of our purview with the overlay district. There's been some things that have snuck in there prior to our involvement with that. So, there's no further discussion. I'll make a motion to consider recommendation of a zoning change from agricultural to light industrial district on property generally located 1 half mile west of the intersection of 61st Street and Highway 275. Second.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. Uh, I'll also make a motion to consider recommendation of a zoning change from agricultural to rural residential on property generally located 1 half mile west of the intersection of 61st Street and Highway 275. Second.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. And then consideration of the recommendation of the final platista rants edition. And this val is just the submission of the the plat and then the flag lot. That's the

Yeah. This is just essentially the prettied version of the actual looked like the color coded that I did before. Yeah. We're good with that. Okay. Make a motion to consider recommendation of the final plat of Arista Ranch edition. Second.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. This time I'll open up the public hearing at the request of Jennifer Wot to consider a zoning change from agricultural to rural residential on property addressed as 3106 North 25th Street.

Morning everybody. Morning Uh my name is Craig Cor with Real Estate Solutions team. Uh one of the realators representing Jen Want. Uh we were marketing the property for her and we saw that the most marketable was splitting it from a 20 acre parcel into two 10s. So, we worked with Val on doing the lot split requirement to do so. So, we had uh JEO come out to do a survey. So, uh long story short, make sure that we surveyed in a flag pole on the west 10 acres. So, that way they'd still be act able to access the east 10 acres, not have anything landlocked. As a result, uh full intention, the only reason, uh we wanted to do the lot split was to be able to get the buyer to be able to afford it. By keeping it as a 20 acre, it put their debt to income ratio too high to where they still have a property in Denver that they're selling. So, in order for them to buy the whole thing, they would not be able to until that property sold in Denver. Uh they have relocated here. uh she's working at the hospital. So, this would just allow them to be able to buy this property once their property in Denver closes. They intend on purchasing the remaining acres on the back. So, um in talking with Val, uh who was extremely helpful through all this, uh we just wanted to follow whatever rules and requirements we needed to to go through and make this process happen. So, um found that it was currently zoned agricultural. In order to do the lots split subdivision, we needed to have it reszoned as real

residential. So, we've been working with uh Brian Benson at JEO to do whatever steps required to make it happen. So, any questions? So, Val the when you say the flag lot, you mentioned you mentioned the flag lot. Okay. So, there's that. Okay. Yes. that comes off of 25th Street there. Yeah. So that they have public road access just like we talked about in the the previous one. So we're not landlocking this back one with just like a driveway easement type thing for them to get to. Yeah.

So and you mentioned um once their property sells in Denver, they're going to purchase the other 10 acres. That is correct. Okay. Because currently the the rear 10 acres or lot two uh per the subdivision that is just currently in rowcrop. Their intention is to leave it in rowcrop if not you know put it to grass for bailing something like that.

Any questions for mr court? Thank you. All right. Thank you. Any concerns, Val, as as it stands now? It was really about the only way we could figure out how to do this and they were well on their way. I mean, like you said, they've moved from Colorado, so I mean, this is the way to to kind of get them to have a legal description in which they can put in a purchase agreement and and get things finalized. Um, I can bring up

is there anything needed in a in a purchase agreement like moving forward for that that second half? Well, once they have that lot two made, then they can do their purchase agreement for lot two, however they want to. Um, and this is the the zoning. So, this is the piece of property that we're talking about right here. You can see the existing house and that that back lot that has the flag lot coming up here now. And where are they in regards I mean that's what a a quarter mile half a mile from our ETJ.

So they're probably this would be probably about the half mile line because this is Eisenhower half to 3/4 away from city limits. And where do we want that necessarily if I mean

generally speaking the intent is to be within the last half mile if at all possible because um as we extend water sewer these large lots will get a large assessment as it as it goes by. Okay. There's no other discussion. I take a motion.

Oh, I'm sorry. I will now close the public hearing and open for discussion. Uh, I'll make a motion to where we at here. Consider a recommendation of a zoning change from agricultural to rural residential on property addressed as 3106 North 25th Street. Second.

Motion to second. Please vote. All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries.

Now the consideration of a recommendation of the W not uh subdivision. Make a motion to consider recommendation of the final plat of or excuse me, make a motion to consider recommendation of the Want subdivision. Motion and second.

All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. And now the consideration of recommendation of the final plat of M andD edition

V. Okay, I will take this one. So this is out in Stanton County. You'll see Woodland Park over here. Uh these two lots. Um the the first one is this square down here and then this larger lot up here. You see all these hashed marks? I guess those are rows of fruit trees or shrubs or something like that. Um, so these people would like to split off this part down here and these want to add that area to their lot. Um, it was an interesting lot because technically this lot doesn't have public road access. They actually come through these people's side lot lines. um that doesn't necessarily have to go away, but with this plat we are providing them actual road ride ofway if needed from up here on the culde-sac to get them down here if they ever need that at some point. So we are kind of cleaning that up a bit. And so those are the reasons that I understand that they're trying to to do this exchange of acreage.

Can you go back to the the the color page there? When you say the culde-sac, that's that's up here. Okay. It's not platted as a coal, but or it's not built as a coal, but it appears to be platted as one. They just didn't build out the whole culde-sac. And is that gravel then or is that paved south?

Once they get off of the road, it appears that Stanton County just allowed them to have a gravel driveway off of there. And you can see where they've paved everybody's driveways around the buildings. That's probably best for EMS and all of those services as well. They technically have access beyond just between two side lot lines. Yeah. Instead of cruising through someone's property,

right? I don't know how their GPS works, but I can't imagine that that would show up cruising between two people's lot lines. Yeah, they might get a little confused. Yeah. Yeah. So, I guess for their their measures, I'm glad we're cleaning that piece up.

Any other concerns with this at Elvo? No, they have this kind of random rural residential right on the edge of uh the R1 Woodland Park area. So, it it doesn't matter that they've added a couple acres to their their lots. They don't have that maximum lot size like they would in R1. And as far as Stanton County goes, does that do we have to do anything with them as far as we we can approve what we approve? Yeah, this is a the plat that they would just file at Stanton County, so it's our jurisdiction at this point in time.

Okay. Take a motion. I'll move to consider the recommendation of the final plat of M and D edition. Second. Motion and second. Please vote. All commission members present voting in the affirmative. Motion carries. and Val, the October 2025 billing permit report.

Okay, so this is the first month of our new fiscal year. So, we're essentially starting back over again. So, October, we had three new single family detached houses uh permits come in. We had two this time last year. We did have two single family attached come in. We had none at this time last year and we're about 200,000 more than last year in building valuation. So, we're pretty much about even. Sad to see the commercial go away.

Thank you, Val. Any other open topics or concerns? Seeing none, I take a motion to adjurnn. So, move And for whatever in my eye to go away would be ideal. Still still there. I'm reading I'm reading with my right eye right now. Flush your eyes. Good night.