Town Council - Regular Meeting

All right, what's the case?

We start with roll call.

Ethan Maple.

Here.

Ryan Hartley. Here. Chad Melender.

Here.

Absent are Bill Niemeyer and Terry Reid.

That is correct. All right. Moving on to claims. Approval of invoice registrars 1230 through 1231.

Make a motion that we approve invoice registers 1230 through 1231 as providing our backup materials.

I'll second. Moved and seconded. Any discussions? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? And that passes. And then on to approval is SRF Claims Invoice Registrar 1232.

Sure, I'll do that one too. Make a motion to approve SRF Claims Invoice Register 1232 as provided in our backup materials.

I'll second.

Move and second. Any discussions? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? And that passes. And moving on to the adoption minutes. Adoption of town council minutes from July 15th, 2026.

I'll make a motion. We adopt the town council minutes from July 15th, 2026.

I'll second that.

Thanks, Ethan.

You're welcome.

Any additions, subtractions, corrections? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? And moving on to public comments for anything that is on the agenda with a three-minute limit. If you do have something you'd like to talk about, please come up, state your name and where you're from, organization or location. No old business, so we'll move on to new business. Wastewater, utility construction, and financial updates. Al, I think you're first or is Jared first? Who wants to be first? I was going to suggest rock, paper, scissors, but either way.

I'll start with the Commonwealth engineers. So I'm here tonight with a contract to assess lift station improvements with your wastewater plant almost at completion. will have use of remaining funds to ascertain at the end of the job. So the council's done a great job in incorporating cost-saving change orders. We most likely will have about a million dollars in cost-saving change orders at the end of this project. On top of that, we have our construction contingency, which was about $400,000. And you also have interest that has accrued on the loan for another $100,000 to $200,000. So when the project's done, you have these funds remaining and they can be utilized for things within the wastewater utility. And the way we do that is we make a request to the SRF for use of remaining funds for certain improvements. So you have an asset at the wastewater treatment plant but we have capacity constraints in getting flows to the treatment plant. And you may recall at the beginning of this project, I identified you have a daisy chain lift station system, meaning one lift station pumps to the next, pumps to the next. Our 20-year solution is to put a large interceptor in. We can't afford a large interceptor right now, but what we can afford is we can afford incremental improvements in the lift station to increase capacity to convey flows to the plant. So the way that we do that is we look at the lift station and we say, can we change out the impellers? And if we do, how much additional flow do we get? Can we change out the pumps and rails but keep the same electrical system? If we do, how much additional flow can we get? Do we need to change out the control panel? Do we need to change out the emergency generator? Can we put different pumps in? Do we need to add an additional force main? Each of these incremental improvements brings you increased capacity, but they're not done in a box. They have to be looked at with respect to all the other lift stations. And then we have to look at developments. So you have developers approaching you that say, can we build this development? You really can't build the development and bring it to this lift station because it's at capacity. But you don't have the information in hand to know what the most cost-effective solution is to increase your capacity in likely areas of development so that you'll be good for the next five or 10 years before we look to put this intercept in it. So what we're looking to do is we're looking to look at these incremental improvements at these six to eight lift stations, identify how that accommodates additional capacity in the big picture, and also identify then what type of developments can you accept in certain areas once these improvements are done. And we can make the most cost-effective selection. Also, when developers come to you and if they say, I want to put in 150 homes, and we say, are those stations under capacity? But we can accommodate your 150 homes if we change out the pumps. Here's the cost. You need to pay us this cost. for this improvement. And maybe what you do is you don't just change out the pumps. You change out the pumps and put the force mains in because it's most cost effective for you to incur that incremental cost increase for the additional capacity. So these questions are coming in. We can't answer these questions without looking at all the alternatives for improvements to the lift stations. And we're looking to get about 90 days so that we can ascertain these improvements. identify options, make a recommendation on use of remaining funds, and then have the information necessary so that we can back charge the developers for any type of request for connection. With that, the question is, where's the money gonna come from for this? So Jared can speak to that. I did contact the State Revolving Loan Fund State Revolving Loan Fund has $86,000 in an old 2017 loan that we would like to close out, and that's eligible. We also have the interest payments. We also have this $1.5 million in additional fees. So we do have the funds, and I guess I'll entertain any questions on the analysis we're looking to do and why, and then Jared can speak to the money.

So you are estimating the analysis, the study and report piece to be about $50,000?

I identified a $50,000 estimated hourly. So it's just going to take basically looking at eight different lift stations, numerous scenarios. But not $50,000 an hour?

Not $50,000 an hour.

We'll invoice at our hourly rates. I hope to keep it as low as possible. I can't foresee it exceeding $50,000.

And the result of that will be a report that basically gives us a map for moving forward to expand our flow and capacity in the most cost-effective way.

Yes, it's all interconnected, so it's going to be... If you want additional capacity here, there's ways to get it. If you want it here and here, there's ways to get it. So there's going to be probably dozens of alternatives that then we can put together, kind of like a Lego set, and identify what's the most effective way to increase your capacity at the most likely areas to develop.

A good example is Lennar Homes or even the town center. Once the town center comes to us and they'll be approaching us about the Lions Club, We've got some issues at Lions Club, and like Lenar, there are some questions that I really can't answer until we get some engineering done, like with the Cedar Creek plant. So they're ready to move forward. They're doing a lot of work there, but before they jump into it, they've got to have some assurance that we're going to be able to collect that waste.

I guess my only question is, three years ago when we started this wastewater plant project, you came to us with a proposal. Really that had been followed through by the last council and and then you had a whole nother separate. maintenance item kind of list that you guys had already put together with rehab and old lines rehab and lift stations all that stuff so the the wastewater plant was about 23 million and there was about an additional $20 million worth of. infrastructure upgrades that already needed done. Do you not already have that information from when you put that estimation together?

I do. And that's going to expedite our analysis. But our analysis was basically on five-year and 20-year growth and what's needed to accommodate that. And the way we accommodate that is we're going to reroute lift stations to an interceptor for the most part. So the way to accommodate that was not to continue to maintain the daisy chain lift station. but to divert a lot of this flow to an interceptor to bring it to the plant. Now what I'm looking to do is say, hey, in the interim, we don't have this interceptor. If I improve this lift station as identified in the plans, what kind of capacity does it give me if I maintain it on the daisy chain system? What type of downstream improvements are required so I can continue to push this as well? So it's more of an interim approach. It doesn't take away.

That interceptor you're talking about, what goes down, that mirror fall, 450?

Yeah. Right to that, they did a preliminary engineering, and they did an asset management plan. And a lot of that asset management plan would have the percentages that are pumped, you know, that flow that they're not getting to. So now it's just a matter of, you know, what's going to take, you know, once something hits that. So that information, there is some information there.

And I guess that's why I wanted to put it out there because I didn't want people to think that we're repeating something. Or we had forgot about that or they're charging us for something that they'd already done, right? Now they do have some of that information and some of that information, is going to expedite this process. We're not paying $50,000 again. So just to be clear to the public and for our sake, if I don't ask the question and we're not clear about it, then we're not doing our homework, right?

I absolutely agree. And that was the question Jim asked me too. And I said, yeah, we did look at these lift stations. We know what the existing deficiencies are. We've identified the improvements to accommodate your five-year and 20-year growth. We can't afford that. So we need to look at other alternatives so that we can bring users on in an economical fashion so we increase our users and potentially have an opportunity to increase our rates.

Well, I think that 20-year outlook is important. Looking at the growth of the town and looking at when we spend these dollars, we're going to get the most out of that dollar when we spend it.

And to that end, you know, Jim's example is a perfectly good one. He said, Can I put in a parallel force, man. I said, Yeah, you can put in a parallel force main that'll give you additional capacity, but I don't know what's gonna happen downstream, you may overwhelm those Or maybe you don't want to put in a parallel force me because I was looking to change the pumps and instead of taking developer money for appellate parallel force main Let's change out the pumps now, and I can use that as part of our 20-year improvements. So this gives you the information so we can be as fiscally prudent as possible with whatever improvements we pick.

And you'll start at the furthest lift station downstream and work your way up, correct?

I have to look at all of them, and then there'll be a matrix that I put together. And I say, here's the conveyance capacity of your sanitary sewer. Here's what this lift station can do. It seems like if we do this,

And if Congressman Shreve comes through with that money, it seems like we could potentially do a lot of work in the infrastructure here in town, make some huge improvements.

What was the ballpark of the interceptor? I mean, we decided not to do it because we didn't have the money. Four or five million? No, it went up. Like 15?

Yeah, it was up there. It was a lot, yeah. When we look at... the Shreve possibility and the money that could be coming to town. Can the money that you've identified be used? We have to match to some extent.

Yeah, I think it's 80-20.

So can we use some of the money identified? Yes, we have to match. So it falls under the sewer. So these identified monies we could use to help match and don't have to come up with it somewhere else. As we evaluate, that's something I would like to keep in mind so we're not finding new monies.

We could use $200,000 of that for that match. And then, yeah, that would be a good plan as well.

It'll also give you information to submit for additional earmarks. So if we can identify it. Obviously we're not gonna get 20 or $40 million, but if we can get $2 million and we do a 20% match on that and we've got the SRF funds, we might as well rinse, wash and repeat as much as we can to get ourselves as far in the future as possible.

Okay. Would you mind giving us kind of where we are with the current project and how that's moving? Are you able to do that real quick?

Absolutely. The current project was supposed to be substantially complete sometime in August. The contractor identified to us at his last construction meeting that he was not going to meet his construction schedule. So we identified a completion schedule. We made recommendation for a partial payment application to you guys for the amount you requested less liquidated damages. And we said, identify a schedule for us so that we can then sit with the town council, sit with the town manager, go through this schedule, legitimately identify when you're going to be complete, and then we can identify what your damages are and how we're gonna move forward with this project. Contractors provided an initial schedule and we identified shortcomings with it. We identified another schedule which was better but didn't have the startup considerations included. So I'm waiting until I have a schedule that I'm comfortable with, that is achievable, then come and sit with you and identify how many additional days, weeks are gonna be required to complete the project. Right now I would anticipate your project would be completed in November versus August. And that in my mind is optimistic. The contractor though has to put that together. Then we have to identify how many days past contractual substantial and full completion that is. And then we have to come up with a decision to assess liquidated damages. which contractors don't like because it affects their ability to become bonded. So then they try to engage in an negotiated resolution where they provide financial consideration for the additional days. So that's what I'm anticipating will occur in the next several weeks.

And there's no indication about what that financial consideration is at this point?

Contractually, you're entitled to $2,500 a day beyond substantial and $2,500 a day beyond full completion. Contractor won't want to pay you all that. You'll want to get all that, and that's what we'll end up negotiating.

And does the town see that money, cash flow?

Typically what will occur is you'll see it, but it will be deducts off of their payment applications. So we owe them several millions of dollars before they complete the project. You'll see that most likely what we'll do is we'll process a change order. That change order will add the additional days for the schedule so that we can memorialize that schedule and hold them to it. And then there'll be financial considerations attached to that change order associated with the additional days that we give them.

So basically when we look at them not meeting the mark, we're gonna save a little bit of money in that process because they're not holding up their end of the deal.

That's right. You have additional costs. So you have additional construction engineering and inspection that you're incurring. So at minimum, you do not want to be damaged with respect to the construction engineering and inspection. On top of that, if it's adversely impacting your ability to operate the facilities, if you're having violations, whatever else. Well, it makes me grumpy too.

That's a consideration. That's worth something.

That's true.

They're going to fight for justifiable days that they miss. Were there any justifiable misses?

I have that documented every which way from Sunday. So they have no right to stand on it.

And once we do that, we will establish a new date and then a new cost for not achieving that date.

You'll issue the change order that amends the substantial and full completion date per their schedule because, and that's why I'm encouraging them to be honest with their schedule, because there's going to be financial ramifications for those days. And I said, you want to come once, have that discussion once, and meet that date. Because if you have to come again, we're not going to be as nice.

Thank you. Al, how does that affect you that you have somebody on the job every day past that?

We have ample budget within the contract. So it's not like you guys are running out of money. From an engineering standpoint, we establish a budget. That budget is estimated hourly. So if we were completed on time, you would have monies left over within our contract that we would then issue a contract amendment and those monies would have come back to you. You do have ample funds within your budget. I delayed mobilization of the inspector. So our budgets are such that because we know borrowing the money, we don't have more money. So our budgets are such that we can achieve the budgets and hopefully it's less.

What you're saying is you build a contingency in there as well.

That's right.

Yeah. All right. Thank you.

You're welcome. Any other questions?

Thanks. Ethan, we're clear on that now.

Good evening, Jared Hall, Cronin Associates. I want to take a moment and speak to Ryan specifically because as Al was talking, all I could relate to was thinking of a car and like dropping a big blown engine behind a turbo 350. We got the, you know, they're getting the plant put in and, you know, the collection system now to get the capacity.

So kind of got to like plan it all out, right?

Which comes to, you know, I was here to help if there were any questions related to what Al talked about, but also want to take the opportunity because, you know, when we did this 2024 bond, we did the rate study. You all adopted rates. We're getting to the point which that second phase would be implemented, which is November 1st. uh back then we had talked about you know you have to adopt rates at a certain level to satisfy the debt service given the current customer base we talked about you know with growth and additional customers coming online there's a possibility to review those rates and make adjustments we've done that analysis so we updated and we have 2025 information i actually have customer data through i think june of 26 i was looking at that as well just to kind of you know make sure you had the most current data um we haven't quite hit the numbers yet on the growth i don't think that's a big surprise to anybody it's not like there's been a lot of new development some of it is i think related to what al mentioned with um getting these communities you know approvals in place so that they can hook into the system and send the flow so um i wanted to kind of like make sure we officially kind of brought it back to you all that we did look at that my recommendation for now is that you continue in those rates that were adopted back in 2024 be implemented or say my recommendation but also in order to maintain your compliance with your bond covenants and all that you really do need that revenue I know when I talked to Jim a little bit earlier today I think the situation of the community as development occurs depending on what additional capital outlays I mean I don't know how far we'll be able to get with the million five that we have potentially available how much additional capacity that'll bind a collection system to bring on some customers but you know we we are looking at your utility financials regularly. And that's something that, you know, we will look at to see if there's an opportunity to make adjustments, because I understand that it's significant, and it's important. And, you know, we want to make sure we're making those adjustments, you know, as appropriate. So It's not the great news that Al had, but I did want to make sure we brought it to the public meeting so that you all and everybody in the community is aware that we did look at it, we did the analysis, and things haven't quite come to fruition yet, but it sounds like they're on the cusp. Happy to answer any questions you guys have.

I'm assuming you have those numbers, so in November is the date in which we assume that our next increase will be?

Yes.

So

rates are right around 98 dollars and come november they will be no whatever 90 93.80 93.80 yes there's a five dollar stormwater yeah so 93.80 so just your your wastewater charge will be uh changing so 93.80 for wastewater and five dollar for stormwater yeah and then in november it'll move to 136.95 for wastewater and the stormwater will stay at five

So we'll be seeing approximately a $43 increase in November to our sewer rates at this point. I'm assuming though our August bill is going out. How soon can we put that on our bills that go out to make people aware of that increase?

Bills are generated on the 10th.

September and October?

And I think we probably ought to do another mailing like we did the last time where literally every customer gets an envelope in the mail explaining what the difference is on their rate and how it will go up and on what date. But that's my, you know.

I think we should, if we do a mailer, I would like to make sure we do that mailer before we send out the notification on the September 28th.

The August bill is going to go out in five days, right?

Yeah. So the September bill would be... So a mailer plus two months notice before it goes up. Yeah.

And just to be clear, because I know this question is going to get asked, because we talked about this million, million and a half dollars, this million dollars from Shreve. Just to be clear, even if legally that was allowed to be applied towards this... which I don't believe it is. It's not. If you applied that $1 million theoretically to buy this rate down, $1 million buys you $5.

Yeah, that's good math, right? I did the math, and that is, yeah, you're about right on par there.

So just to be clear, because I know that question is going to get asked. Well, why don't you just apply that and buy our rate down?

Yeah.

Well, it would take it for $136.95 to $131.95. At that point in time, it's just for what you get for a million dollars, it's not worth $5.

and you can't like because you can't use those proceeds or operating costs you can't just give it back there's call it's called call protection so the bonds can't be repaid so the general public doesn't understand right but we're going to get asked that question yeah no i'm yep so so just to be clear and transparent yep and that's true for all of those revenue elements that al mentioned as well

that we cannot be applied to the one, the 1.4, the 86, it's in the 2017. Yeah, those are all bonds that can't be used to help. No, we can't even use it to delay, right?

No, no.

Yeah, I think the best way to and this is kind of what we have to think about when we frame the conversation is that money can be used for projects that we still know we need. to allow the development that will spread the cost of this to make people. Correct. And again, nobody wants to sit up here and say next time, next time, next time. But I think what you're calling out is there is development coming. I mean, we've got drawings in here for the apartment complex coming in. We've got a layout and a concept plan for Lennar Homes. But to be able to allow those to happen, we have to do the infrastructure updates that we're talking about today. That's going to cost money.

Even if we don't do those developments, we still have to do those infrastructure upgrades because that pipe in the ground isn't getting any newer. The lift stations that pump the sewage to the plant, not getting any newer, and it's not getting any cheaper to fix those things. The prices of those things keep going up. You don't have a choice. Cumberland's already paying these rates. Greenfield's raising their rates. It's not just New Pal. Everybody's doing that. And it's because they stagnant. and they pay one bill for 20 years, and nobody raises it or does anything about it, and they get complacent to it, the pipe in the ground doesn't get any newer, the lift stations don't get any newer, and you have homes being built. And this is the cause and effect of that. It is what it is. I don't like it, my wife doesn't like it, I promise you. But it is what it is.

That conversation we just had was not directed at you, Jared. It's more of us. I don't like it either.

I just put the numbers.

That's fine. I'm used to it.

No, I mean, we did everything. And I think, I can't remember if Yvonne maybe asked me or Jim, you know, the fact that we were able to keep the first phase at what it is currently. I mean, we talked about this when we did this in 24. I mean, we pulled every trick we could to defer debt, to buy as much time as we can to see how much development, additional user connections we could get to try and get this to happen. And it's not there yet. Maybe we sit here in another year when some of this stuff hits. different story and we can have a more positive conversation, I guess, but it's what it is right now. So I guess there's nothing you all need to do. So the rate has been adopted. It's already in the ordinance. This is more of a public information update.

Okay. Thank you for the information. Thank you for being good at math. No, he did not. I think I pressed him, though.

I want to see your work afterwards. I don't show my work. Outstanding. Okay, so for the three of us, notification going out on these upcoming statements with the date of change and then a letter going out to every... Hook up letting them know a based on the ordinance. We're still on schedule with the ordinance that was adopted. We're continuing to look at ways to look at that. We can church. However, we want to look at that.

I think I would like to see the letter go out at the end of this month and then the notices on the bills in September and October.

I will take inventory of our stock of envelopes tomorrow to know whether we've got enough.

But yeah, well, we don't have to send them certified.

No, we will not. It's a lot of work folding all those letters and stuffing them. So all good on that. Who wrote the letter last hour? Do we remember?

I don't remember.

We need somebody to write the letter.

Okay. I didn't look to see if it was in my files or I don't know. I could have written it. I was writing some things back then.

So let's look at that tomorrow, if at all possible. Yeah, we'll get it. And we'll take inventory of what we have, and if we need to order something, we will. And we'll be, you know, we'll knock it out of the park by the end of the month.

And Al, are you asking us to take action on your proposal tonight as well? forward with that based on where those funds are current the funds that we currently have available to do this and having a roadmap I would make a recommendation and a motion that we move forward as proposed I would say in the understanding not to exceed $50,000 that's in there yeah it's in that okay I'd second that we've been seconding any other discussions

all those in favor say aye aye aye opposed and that passes thank you guys thank you thank you thomas moving on to continued conversations we've got benefits um i think bill was working on that so i plan on sending him a note to see if we can drum that back up i think he took a swing at it um but i think he was doing another review so I'll send something out to the group asking to revitalize that so we can all take a look at it. Anything else that we need to talk about? Legal updates.

I guess my question regarding the architectural committee with the new Senate bill regarding the housing is there a reason to pursue the architectural committee because I know I think there's really no reason to have one if We're going to have our hands tied on what development looks like.

Good updates.

Great job. Jim.

I just have one. So up on the screen there is Arbor Homes. That's just south of on Benton Road, just south of the creek there. And I spoke with them this week and they sent me this and I will get with our attorney there to look in the annexation process. It's gonna be broken down into three parcels to be annexed to get the whole property involved in it. We've got cooperation with the landowner there in the green. The town limits is the navy blue. And the property that they're wanting to annex is really that purple and red. So I went down to Arrival Homes in Martinsville I have some. Pictures here but it's just a product I don't think we're going to be satisfied with I think arbor they'll come back and I think they'll they'll deliver a product that we do want. Like to speak with Ryan, you know architectural committee, I understand you know what kind of don't want why just figure out how we want to work this you know. But they'll come back with another product and probably want to share it with the Planning Commission. But they are still working through this process, which is good.

So when do we expect annexation to come back to us? Do we have a timeline?

No, they're working fairly quick on it. So I think they've done soil borings on this property as well. I think they've worked with citizens on the water, and now they're working on the sewer aspect, which is going to kind of lean back to out here. on how do we deliver that, get that back to that property as well, so.

Goes downhill.

Goes downhill. Fast. But not too fast.

Yeah, but, and just to be clear, if this does happen, we will gain some road in our road inventory there because when you annex that property, that part of 450 now becomes the towns.

Are we up to the bridge or?

As of right now, no.

Okay.

Now if you,

It'll look just like that if and when you annex it.

So there'll be that small section there that the county will still maintain, which is frustrating for Steve because when he has to write grants.

He can turn it over and we can take care of it.

Yeah, because when you have to write grants, you have to work around that. That's very frustrating. So it's nice to connect those pieces.

One question that's being asked, that bridge replacement, when is that? 28. 28, okay.

Which bridge replacement? That one?

Sure.

Bridge 86 right here in South 450. Yeah, that's bridge 86. It'll be replaced on 28, I believe. So right after that, we'll approach the county and see if they want to hand it over. But the county will still own the bridge, even if you annex it.

Ryan, that being said, was it possible, and I know that bridge is designed, but can we get that bridge to be a little walkable? Because I know we're going to have that hill, but we're going to require them to put a sidewalk with Bentner and then bring that back into town.

Well, it's pretty late in the game to add a beam to the side of it. We've got two years.

It's a paint strike.

It's 26 right now.

It's already 28. It's a paint strike. It's 20 miles an hour through there. We'll put a paint strike.

Yeah, I mean, but when you have allocated funding, it is, you know, again, that's people that you don't understand the process.

Allocate the funding, and it goes through this process.

It's mad carry the one yeah works out. It's gonna be more than one one It can be a conversation I would say approach the county engineer about it, okay That's my official stance Approach the county engineer, okay I will say that I believe some of that probably may have gone through condemnation so you'll want to pursue the Probably the west side of that if you want to do that

Yeah, fair. We was just going to use some of the bridge.

I was thinking the west side was probably better anyway.

Even though the subdivision is going to be on the east side, but whatever.

Yeah.

Approach the county engineer and ask him about it.

Okay. Thank you.

Thanks, Jim. Steve?

Nothing tonight.

Okay. Chief? Chief?

Two weeks after Wagner when he graduated from the Indiana law enforcement camp, ready to go back to work. Spoke to him the other day, pretty excited, ready to be done after 16 weeks there. Just going to give you guys a little heads up too here at the intersection. I know everybody's probably wondering how the stop sign's been going since school came into effect. Actually, it's been really well. busy from about 7.05 to about 7.18, but people seem to have figured out how to weave in and out. Haven't seen any close calls, and I will say the guys that told me the after-school traffic used to back way up, and now it's not doing it anymore. So from what I can see, everything looks pretty good at this point. Good.

You mean it's working a design?

I'll be.

That's amazing. Well, that's good to hear. I'm glad it's working as designed.

We've been watching just to see, and it's worked well. Every once in a while you get the friendly driver who wants to wave everybody else and slows it down a little bit, but when everybody does what they're supposed to in the pattern, it works really well.

Fantastic. I appreciate taking a look at that and trying something there.

I do too. Awesome. Yvonne?

i have one thing um the clerk treasurer from the town of plainfield has invited you guys to come and tour their town hall and hendrix live what they have done there is they used a lot of tiff money to build a theater and the town hall is like it's part of that building it's all one combined space um jenny and i got to visit it last year sometime during one of our trainings it's pretty interesting the things they put in place especially on the town hall side um so he reminded me via email the other day that you know we had talked about all of us going down there and looking at it so that invitation is there if you guys want to take them up on it i'll set it up So it looks like Plainfield population wise is around 38 to 40,000. Which we, you know, we're nowhere close, but it's interesting to see what they did, how they did it, and maybe get some ideas of what you might want to see in a town hall. Once we start working on ours. And it's not a have to. If it fits in your schedules, it might be interesting. And if it doesn't, there's no end overboard. But I'd like to get back with them and I'll let them know.

I'm over there. So even if we can't work something out, I may see if I can schedule some time. I'm all about stealing good ideas from other people.

I mean, I can hook you up with Mark over there. I'm happy to run back over there and see him again. You know, it's interesting to see how these buildings are laid out. So that's all I have today.

All right, I'll say thank you. All right, moving on to council comments. We'll skip Terry. Ryan, you're up.

I want to give my condolences to Cindy Roberts' family. She was a county assessor. She passed away, unfortunately, here recently. She had been with the county, I believe, 37 years. She was a joy, very kind, very nice. And it was a huge loss for the county, and I'm sure for their families. So I want to send my condolences out.

um i congratulate the schools on a good start a couple days in and appreciate the teachers and the administration and students and parents and everybody being very intentional about that council chat is friday Unless one of you want to join me, I'll probably hang out myself. Tia's 8 a.m.

I have a meeting Friday morning.

Let me get back with you. I do have Friday off, but I do have an appointment. Let me see what time, double-check and see what the appointment is, and I may be able to join you.

Okay. I'll be there at 8 a.m. If anybody from the community wants to join us and have a conversation, you're welcome to do so. That's all I have.

Outstanding. I want to thank Commonwealth and Jerry from Crohn's Associates coming out and doing all this work. I know this is a lot. Definitely a lot of feelings around this in the past few years, but I think we're doing what we can to provide the best runway for the town. So I know there's a lot of work that went into that. We had a budget meeting yesterday to go over our initial numbers. We've got a budget meeting scheduled for the 27th. where we'll go over that again. And really the exciting part is to see some of the plans that we've been working on starting to come to fruition. And it was enjoyable to see the team and the employees like everybody here is working to be good stewards of the town and making sure that we use those funds appropriately to drive growth in the way that we want to do it. So exciting for that exciting for project that just got started with the Rdc. So got approved today excited to see what that starts to look like and just really excited for a lot of things that we've got coming on and We've got public comments, five minutes on any topic that we'll move into next. And after that, I will take a motion to adjourn.

I'll make a motion to adjourn.

I'll second.

All those in favor.