Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Let's do it.

It's 6 o'clock, so we'll call to order the meeting of the Town Plan Commission. So, if everybody let's stand and start with the pledge of allegiance. Algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Like to thank everyone for joining us this evening. And let's start with roll call. Okay. Billy Meyer here. Brian Hartley here. Nancy Owens is absent. Brian Smith here. Chad Melinder here.

Barry Crop is absent. And Chris Woramont is absent. Okay. Well, we'll take note that we do have a quorum. So, we'll continue with our agenda. First item on the agenda this evening is consideration of the minutes from our meeting of March 18th. Is there a motion regarding the minutes? I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from March 18th. It's been moved and seconded. Uh, is there any discussion? Any suggested changes or comments regarding the minutes? All those in favor of approving the minutes as presented in our backup materials, please indicate by saying I.

I. Opposed. Motion carries and the minutes are approved. This evening, we don't have any old business, so we'll move on to new business. And the first item is a public hearing on our resolution 050626A. And I'll start with deferring to Zach to walk us through the procedure.

Yeah, we'll we'll do the actual public hearing after we hear kind of what Mr. Gibson has to say. But um as you stated, this is a resolution to amend the Healthway Park UDP um which was first passed in August of 2020. This is now the third amendment. Um, and this, uh, is before the plan commission as per state statute. Um, it's technically an an amendment to the zoning ordinance. When there's a an amendment to the zoning ordinance, um, it needs to be reviewed by the plan commission and then, uh, referred to the town council for final approval. So, uh, we are, um, undertaking that first step tonight along with a public hearing.

And I'll turn it over to Mr. Gibson if he wants to. Yeah, we'll start with Mr. Gibson and let him make a presentation and then we'll open it up to the public or we want to make Harold's presentation part of the public hearing. Let's let him speak first and then that'll give everybody some opportunity for some subject matter to speak on if they need to. Thank you.

All right. Good evening. It's a pleasure to be here tonight again. I'm Carol Gibson, director of property develop. We uh we're excited to continue our partnership that we've had now since about 2019. Um we're here tonight uh with also our our neighbors, soon to be neighbors uh the CO management group and also coming up their teams are here. They'll speak to you as well. just basically introduction as Zach said we're here asking for a third amendment the healthway unit development plan and I would say that uh this is working exactly the way development intended to unit development allows us to negotiate at the beginning the rules we present rules to you but not negotiated creating ordinance we did that back in 2020 by the way let's just take a look at what use will look like started. I mean, I I love this picture because I guess it just shows how old I'm getting, how quickly I get, but you know, we had uh farm ground looks like the go just getting built. This is like back in 2019 2018 had an old storage facility there. How many room storage build that we had to tear that down? Had a couple rental properties that I think everybody was happy. We were able to buy those and got rid of that. So, we we were able to convert that for a partnership with with the town and the hospital and some economic devel we appreciate that greatly and it's unfolding just as we all plan. So back in 2022 January 2022 uh we brought to you a plan for multif family and u management group bought 24 acres from us and they presented a plan that at the time the ordinance had

contemplated possibly 325 units. I think that plan only contained about 280 units. Uh but nevertheless, this was the site plan and we said at that time that if the property is going to be developed family units, it had to be developed like that. And we included uh a little bit of a rendering of what those units would look like. And again, if it's going to be developed, it has to look like that. Kind of look like these buildings. And uh what you're going to see today is the result of three years have brought higher interest rates, inflation that still continues to bother us all in the construction world. Uh so it's real and unfortunately he wasn't able to continue that project and get it out of the ground time. So u the time has allowed us actually to make the deal with Kroger work uh through his kindness and it's also allowed him to downside the project. I'll let tell you about that a little bit, but um this is exactly how the UDP is supposed to work. So, we have a change in ideas. We could contemplate that at the beginning when we set the rules. So, we're coming back with you as your ordinance says that if we have a change, come back and bring that change to you again. We get to negotiate. So, u we also know that we were here for the second amendment um last year. We we uh brought you a request to add a fuel center as part of a grocery shopping store shopping center on area C. And we said we'd like to have the fuel center there, but if the fuel center and the shopping center are done, it must be done like this. So, what we're here to tell you tonight is that we learned that we couldn't do it like that because after after we were here with that amendment, we found out the cost we couldn't do it the way we were proposing buying the ground to the west. So fortunately the broker team uh and and us and Mr. Potic were able to strike up another deal and and keep some as part of the plan and we're thankful for that.

So here's the hand use plan that we had uh part of the original ordinance in 2020. You see we have area C which is labeled area E. We corrected that with the last uh amendment. So it's it's area C and area D. Those are the ones we're talking about. Um, so tonight what we're asking you to do is amend the UDP to expand area C further to the south. We're taking some out of area D. Uh, and we're going to use area C now for the shopping center and we'll use area D, continuing to use area D for multif family. Although that's going to take a different shape of a site plan in different buildings. I think it reduces down to just over 200 units now from the 325 beginning. And then the shopping center is in this area here. Same size of store that we presented to you last summer last fall. Uh the fuel center moves to the north. Again, since it's not being designed as the amendment that you approved in 25, we have to come back to you again. And that's what we're here asking for is to amend that site plan. If it's going to be developed as a shopping center, fuel center, then we like this area is going to be developed and we want to develop like that. And just again the uh the zoning code that you have under development just to show you that section 1.06 that why we're here is because the ordinance says you have continued jurisdiction over that and we have sent out notices to the to the neighbors and uh put it in the newspaper. So, I think we're legally allowed to be here. So, with that, uh, if you have any questions on that that specific process, any questions from the hospital, I'll be happy to answer those. We wait, but at this time, I'll turn it over to Billy who will let you know more about their exciting

project. Thank you.

I'm gonna give you guys one of these. Thank you. Hello. So I well I'm the vice president of property management. Um I've been working with them for gosh 22 years now on our development our ownership um when they first came to the Indianapolis market. We've been in front of you all before so you know this is the site that we love. Um we would have loved to have already started but in retrospect we're really happy with the actually changed architect about 50% on set through because we um we knew obviously that was going to incur expense to it but it just wasn't hitting the design. Um and so what we have here is close to our final. We've spent has been so gracious to me where they can with the architects on the calls with us and we've spent many many many many hours um and we have it I think you know nailed down to u the design we want some treats probably to the final um because this is not final at 202 units um it ends up at an average um square footage of about 200 square feet um and gets us a threetory building

option which is housing you know kind of the all of the units are large but the smaller the garage will be located within the threetory buildings. Um and then what you're looking at here is our twotory building type which will surround the perimeter as you have it. Um and those are the ones that are kind of looking more like a home. They're going to have private entry, private garages, uh, one and two car garages. Every unit, um, in these buildings will have a garage with them. Um, and then this is kind of just another elevation of that front garage door. And then our layouts here. Um, and so that's kind of where we stand now. So within this packet is a little bit more detailed on um our you know unit square footages our rendering prototypes in this design um and then um of what question you have or what I can tell you or anything you want to know.

Can you tell me I know there was a lot of discussion previously about what you thought the rental rate would be. Yeah. Do you know when we originally developed it, we were targeting um just over $2 square foot. Um we have brought that down a little bit and the only reason why is because we significantly increase the price. Um and so they probably the one bedrooms will stay within that $2 range and the two bedrooms will probably go about $1.90. Um, so we're still, you know, two bedrooms still are trying to be in the range of 1800 and up. Um, probably 14,500.

Thank you.

Any other questions? What is your target start date?

Question. So if we get, you know, this settled out the way we need We would target early next year and be done in that actually while we're here, you know, council have feedback on building things like that. We're close to the finish line. No other questions. Certainly looks nice. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. And one second. We'll take questions when the public hearing is open. So, what we'll do, we'll hear from Kroger and then we'll open up a public meeting and then anybody and everybody can ask all the questions you'd like. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I'd like to come forward with the plan. My name is Might and there are a number of representatives from the program here this evening answer so we are still very excited about being parted um they are proposing a 9900 program which would have 410 parking spaces. Uh the loading spaces, there would be three of those near to the rear or south of the building. And you can see those there. This is the rear elevation. This is the front elevation. Sorry, this is not Um, so sorry this doesn't have any color, but this the big box here is the broker store. Okay. And so then this area here is the where the loading dots are to the um uh I'm sorry to the east there is 18,000 retail building um parking spaces serving that space. There are 16 online shopping spaces um for pick up on and there's also a pharmacy drive through both of those on the west side. The Kroger fuel center is located at the

northwest corner. It would have seven pumps which produces 14 dispensing um locations. Uh there is a kiosk there that will match the materials of the of the store. We'll talk about those in just a minute. And then the canopy on the stand and that was something that Hanok really wanted to see from and I have to tell you I've been repres for years. So, you guys are definitely um there is also um there's also a future outlot up here across from the fuel center um that's about 23,000 square feet. It does have internal access only, so it will be accessed from here when somebody does go ahead and develop that. Um the landscape um decision. Sorry about that. Uh the landscape plan had a mix of deciduous trees uh maple oak catberry and a number of others with Latin names but I can't pronounce them varieties of evergreen spruce uh uh arborite there's oriental material such as tumac viburnum and then there's a series of uh native grasses and shrubs to balance out the sides. So there's a good mix of native plant material um that will thrive on the site. Windscaping was something we had talked about I think at our last meeting and the decision was made by program bypock that we're going to do the um entire site with their decorative light fixtures in the parking lot for continuity. Um, with regards to the light levels on the perimeter of the property there, they're anywhere from 0 to 0.5 candles, which is below what most people require. So, we're very

comfortable with that. The Kroger buildings, I'm sorry, I really So the Harbor building itself will be a mix of different building materials. It is done in all earth tone colors. Um some of the materials that we're using stone and brick uh interol there's some metal accents on the building and this building is modeled on the store that's currently under construction in Zansville. So it is very nice just leave it at that. Um there's some signage on the front of the Kroger building. They really cut back on the signage on their building. Um it used to be like Western Union sign and whatever. There is a small Starbucks siren toward the left end of the of the facade. It's only 25 and there's the Kroger marketplace which is the main access into the store. And then over here to the right is a pickup and a pharmacy drive through and that is the health folks coming in to know that that's on the on that side of the building. Okay. Then on the on the other building signage is on the west side where the um pickup spaces are and It simply says RX drive through and then pick up. So they're more directional than anything. Um the fuel station does have some of our car logos and um the LED fuel prices, but as you all know, especially right now, everybody buys fuel based on price. Uh and then there would be ground sign and then an entry sign as well for the development. Um program anticipates that the store would hire about 270 associates, hopefully a

lot from this community. Those will be part time, some of them will be fulltime. Uh, and then with regards to investment, the story itself represents $32 million investment. So that's kind of my skill. You've heard most of it before. I apologize for the computer skill. My usual person here. So, uh, if you have questions for me or for team, we're happy to answer.

Do you have a guess at when you'll start? I'll take Chad's question. Well, it's kind of hard to predict because, you know, they need to know that this is approved and they've got to design it and so forth. William, you give me best. So, right now, right now next Thursday would be okay.

Um so right at this point in time um we're planning this as you guys obviously know um that we have multiple projects going on. So right now this is planned for 23rd. So that would mean the 2029 um start construction. Anything else for us?

Thank you.

Well, we certainly uh appreciate the co team. Uh I I think Ann described the building very very well and Jillian talked about how we've been involved. I I think the uh the UDP and our involvement in Our presentation in the beginning was to try to raise the bar and we've been committed to that. I think our building represents that. The way we tried to approach this all represents that and I I wanted to put a picture up here. The retail store and GD and I went through a very similar process with us. They were very, you know, they they didn't like every answer we asked, every question we asked, but I hope everybody agrees that store turned out beautiful. And u I can't compliment Mohamd and his team about this project that they presented to you is is I wish we had as a gateway. I wish we had this. So we're very fortunate that the uh care and the investment that he's willing to make here in town we're all happy about that partnersh and her team. She's been hard to negotiate with, but u you know, we appreciate the fact that they want to invest in the community, too. And uh you know, when we first started this, we we had a building that I I I think we all we're happy that we have one out and to be at the same level as other communities around town are developing. We appreciate that commitment. Uh we did work hard to ask her to do the canopy. We felt like that's important to a and we appreciate that and the extra cost that they're putting into it, it doesn't come free. Uh, and we know that so we're very appreciative of the investment that make teams to hold. So the UDP amendment that you have in front of you, I didn't go

through it line by line. We can do that if you want, but it basically has that everything to our commitment. Doesn't turn out like this substantially. little change that could be but substantially if it's not like that we'll have to back answer any questions you have you open up for the public hearing

okay thank you very much for your patience and waiting and because we've now had the presentations we will open up the public hearing so at this time anybody in the audience that has any questions or com comments comments. Please come to the podium, give us your name and your address and tell us anything that you're thinking or ask any questions you'd like. Come on up to the podium and give us your name and address and fire away. My name is 454600 West which is immediately joined complex. Anyway, uh I don't really have any comment about the program, but question I do have is from the start, you know, when this apartment complex was talked about and pitched and you know, the council pitched it and the effective management pitched it that it was going to be homey looking. You know, that was not a commercial look. And anyway, also another big thing that they pitched was that along the eastern edge where the pond is that they're going to have town homes there. And part of what was pitched was that all this was just going to transition up, you know, as far as height levels. And now it appears to me that they've got the three story buildings. They've done away with town, which I understand that. I don't have any issue with that. But anyway, now they've taken and got threetory buildings proposed. Has that been approved?

Nope. That's for consideration by both the plan commission and the town council.

Okay. And then another thing and I was a design professional 42 years my life of residential and anyway we've got two based on those pictures renderings got two very very very different types of construction and appearance that you know I call mixed in. And anyway I would requested that not be approved as far as the three story issue goes. And if it's three stories, it's I think it's very nasty looking building. It's just like a cubic building which the others are very stylish.

Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? Yes, I'm Dan Zer. I live at 4459,650 West. And I think this line right here is a pasture man that I have horses in. And I want to know if they're going to build any kind of a barrier to keep people out of my pasture, including my horses. I've opened foliage hills,

six foot tight shed to keep people off my pasture and away from the horses for the first time. Don't get sick to say to that horizon, then it's on me. Mrs. Decker, I think you're a little further south. I don't know. Yeah, that I'm thinking this is my west or my east passenger right here. I could be wrong.

One of the commitments that we made early on in UD was a tree preservation uh buffer zone. So we have uh asked landscape plan to not remove any trees uh that are existing all the way along this line. I'm not exactly sure where this line begins, but the tree line and the woods line will be preserved and will not be uh disturbed. So there might be some management of dead undergrowth, but that that's there now intends on staying. So that's that's our plan for Okay. And and Miss Decker, if I might ask, you have some kind of a fence or something on your property, don't you? To keep the horses in. It's field.

Okay. So they won't be able to just walk in. They won't walk into the parking lot. No. Okay. Not unless they tear down the van. Well, they won't tear down the W in BMG new pal. From the W down is where your property appro approximately starts, right? So, you're talking about Yep. Yeah. Right about there. That's about 400 ft. Yeah. I have the east boundary.

Yeah. The fence will stay, the foliage, the tree, the wood line will stay. There'll be a trail on the other side of the woods line and then the parking lot uh will be there. So there's there's no reason for us to think that there would be any take that down to the cross. Okay. Thank you. Come on, back up.

This basically goes along with the question that was just asked in the original commitment. You were going to put a wood fence along here coming over there, but nothing's changed on that. Nothing has changed that we made in the beginning. I don't think it's a wooden sense along the whole line. I think it'll prop whatever it says. There's been no sorry anyone else. 4568 West Way. Um I just had a couple different questions. One, the developer of this are they going to be the property manage?

Yes. Okay. And um apparently you're currently developing other sites. Are we developing other sites? Yes. Um we're not developing anything in Indiana right now at all. Okay. Do you own anything? Yeah, we do. We own um some communities on the northwest side umfield area. Of those developments you've had in Indiana, how many of those have you guys sold? None. Okay. So, you kept your development.

I'll tell you that I This is Mohammed. I started working for him 22 years 21 years ago. That's so long. had that question about that part of it. Um the other part of it is the bond issues. How does the timing affect those? Do you have a answer to that question? We're talking about 2030. So are we paying interest on those bonds till 2030? Those bonds are closed.

That's my question. So, so the bonds haven't been issued yet. Does it affect the rates? Is the any of that change if that bond was approved, negotiated, and approved and has not closed four years ago

and it won't close until this deal closes. Once it closes, then the clock starts and I think it's a 25 year uh window on that. We ran the numbers and pays off with the dem cost. We get paid in lower numbers, but the interest rate stays the same, paybacks the same, but the interest doesn't start apping until we actually start using that bond. We pay the fees for the improvements and we ask paid back through a receipt. We don't get paid back. We just turn receipts and then we get paid interest. So that's how that actually works. We buy the bond we pay. We agree to buy the bond and then once we're paid back with the tax then obviously bond it changes nothing on that but what you see tonight this is all contemplated and protected but we won't close on it because

so the town itself is has no obligation for the rate of those bonds. because actually the interest is included in the bond that we're paying and we agreed to w pay it isn't there to pay us. No, that's my question. You know, bombs are all over the place right now. So, so by starting to start 2030 is not going to affect the town as a whole financially for anything.

No, it doesn't because because the agreement with the bond is all the risk is on the hospital as we agreed to buy the bond against we agreed that risk we we view this as a partnership we love the town we're here part of the town that was the reason why we came and ask question we're confident it doesn't affect our risk anymore than what it normally would but we're not going to close though until we're ready to close so that clock doesn't start the other question is is there any to start tomorrow. Yeah. Till Thursday. I heard now. Yeah.

Yeah. I can't retire until I build it. So, I think part of the reason that that we always ask when they're starting is because for the benefit of the town, it's twofold, right? We we want these wonderful properties for people that that want other options for shopping and then also some diversity in in housing, right?

The the other piece of that financially is right now all this area is assessed as farmland, right? And farmland obviously doesn't get assessed the same way that it would if there was a building on it. So the faster that that goes up and is in use, the faster that the town starts to benefit from the taxes from that as well. Now along those same lines, there's discussion about the 28,000 acres here and the 18,000 square foot here. I guess my question is who's responsible for those? Okay. They got this building here. It's going to be about 18,000 square foot.

Oh, the retail. Retail. So, who's responsible for leasing that? So that that parcel will be owned by and same with this parcel over here. Correct. Okay. So it'll be Kroger's responsibility to Kroger will end up deciding what now we're just showing kind of a sketch of shops and an will you guys come back to the town for approval what was in there unless it fits into the already established and agreed upon um UDP.

So if it's something outside of that, right? Um then they would have to come back. But if it's something that's already been agreed upon, then no, they wouldn't need to. So they could put a liquor store. Yes. If it's not included in the if it's a retail use, they could put a liquor store there with this. Yeah. I mean, we'd have to go back to EDP one, two, and three and see what I mean, in this one, there's a list of what you can't do. Yeah, just scroll away from it. So, that's fine. But generally speaking, correct? Yes.

Okay. One of the things that that we discussed before is is that we've used some of that bond money for architectural stuff and that the town has for expenses. This is not that that bond hasn't been issued. This is another bond and this bond has not been issued. So the town hasn't bond. We've used some RDC funds for different things for this.

No, no, for like for L. Yeah, just savings sidewalk improvements round. As far as these go on, not by the time those bonds won't be actually put in place until the closing on the property itself. Correct. And they don't close on that until they're fil. Right. That means yes. Nothing happens till it's completely built. No. No. They'll take the bond out when they start building

or when the deal's closed and everything's in line. Will the bond will come out before the the broker is standing or before Brown is broken that correct? Okay. Thank you. Good questions.

N we appreciate it. Anyone else in the audience have any questions or comments? Anything you'd like to share? I mean, that's the purpose of a public hearing. Seeing no other comments or public input, we'll go ahead and we'll close the public hearing. We'll go back to our agenda for the plan commission. So, at this time for the commission is consideration. Yeah. Go ahead. Ask one other question. Absolutely.

Okay. So with apartments being built and burgers coming in there, we're going to need more officers there. Have we put that in town budget to hire another officer? We just hired I mean, let me say

I'll say for the record, we've hired an officer I think each of the last three or four years. I think we have enough officers there once people start moving in there it changes. So if chief was here, he would explain it to you. There there's a equation that basically says for this many residents, you need this many officers or you should have this many officers. Right now we exceed that. So we have more than what we Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Nobody's complaining, but right now we have we have to pay for that first, right?

And they're they're not cheap. The equipment's not cheap. some of the taxes that we get from these things help us make those decisions, right? That helps us start to increase the usage there. But I I don't believe right now that we need an officer for this. Again, part of the reason that we try to understand when closed dates are. So, if 2028 is when they're opening up and starting to sell those, I mean, to Bill's point, we've added an officer probably one a year. If we continue on that track, we'll be in in the right space and the right amount of officers for so it has been discussed and thought about absolutely

and chief as Chad chief isn't here to speak to it directly but he is absolutely monitoring that okay

so and I will say for the record that you know part of not only the plan commission but the town council are concern is the quality of the building and my question was about the rental rates because, you know, it's going to be a nice property. It's not low income. It's not low cost. We're We are not looking to welcome the poorer elements of the east side of Indianapolis. That's not what we're looking to put here. We want this to be a nice addition to the community, somewhere that my kids can live. So uh we did conclude the public hearing. We'll go back at this point. We need is there a motion regarding resolution 050626A. And and I the reason I asked for a motion is we have to have a motion and a second then it's open for discussion.

I'll make a motion to approve resolution 050626A. I'll second.

Okay. Now it has been moved and seconded. So it's open for discussion between members of the plan commission. Are there any comments, concerns, additional discussion, thoughts? I'll start by saying my only regret is that both of these aren't already open because I know four years ago Unfortunately, the the Bakovic property project probably wasn't as wellreceived as it is currently. Um, I personally am thankful that you didn't just throw your hands up and say, "Forget it. We'll go somewhere else because it sure would have been easy to make that decision." So, you know, Harold mentioned several times that we see things as a partnership and we certainly look forward to a partnership with your company. And help me out because I don't remember if it's off of 86th Street, 96th Street. You have a community on the northwest side of Indianapolis that we toured. Where's that at?

It's the preserve at Willow Springs. It's 86 Library. So I remember coming walking through units and there were two stages. There was the stage that existed when you bought the property and obviously it was a little bit older and then there was the second stage which is what you built under your ownership and we walked through those units and the amenities are fantastic. Everything is high quality. Um I think I said earlier I would be happy to have any member of my family, including my children, living in one of those apartments because they are absolutely first class. So, you know, this is a project that I personally look forward to and welcome and support because it's what we need and it is it's an option that doesn't exist right now and not everybody can afford a $400,000 house when they, you know, get out of school. And I just wanted to say that was 11 years ago and I welcome anyone to go there today and see the quality that after 11 years. Usually people think concern about oh it looks nice the first two years and then management takes over and they go into the dumps and so forth. I felt not just about all of them

because we're longterm different

well and I also remember that you stressed in prior presentations that your qualification and qualification of tenants. You know, if you have two tenants, there have each one has to have sufficient income that if their co- tenant left, they would still be able to afford the rent. So, you do screening to make sure that, you know, you do everything you can to avoid doing evictions and have a lot of turnover. So, and again, some of the things that you said previously still resonate with me and appreciate that.

Thank you. Yeah. full screen statewide nationwide for their name person because again you know there sure we've had a lot of conversation about the coic piece of this but also on the the Kroger piece you can't start soon enough because the sooner that we can get the six pack of free Pepsi minis with eight pack of fried chicken, the better.

And we shouldn't have to drive to Castleton to do that. So,

I want to I want to echo what Phil said. I know this has taken a while. We've amended this UDP a few times, but switch things around, but honestly, I think at the end of the day, this works the best. I like the layout of this. I like where we ended up. I think reducing the size of the apartment complex, actually fits the town better. Uh and the thing that I hear the most from the public is they keep asking about when is when is coming. So, that's the biggest thing. None of this would happen if it wasn't for the communication between the hospital and the vaccine town and u you know it's it is a big partnership and I think everybody has uh you know our main goal here is quality and uh and communication. I think everybody's worked really well together trying to make this successful and I think we landed in a really good spot. It's good for the town with little to no financial risk here with nothing but a great product that it gives. I know a lot of the younger generation either don't want to own a house. They don't want to have to deal with utilities or cutting grass or whatever the whatever it may be, but a lot of people are are going to the apartment lifestyle now and just for having kids that age. But uh I think this is going to be a great gives us some text diversity. So, I think this is a great thing. I'll add in there um a couple points. If you were here for the u first presentation of the Kroger uh development, we we had a list of asks that we asked for, right? We wanted lighting to match the current view. We wanted it to look the same. We like the way that looked. We wanted more brick. uh not stone on

two sides. So the two sides that weren't facing, you know, the public weren't going to have any brick. They changed that. Everything that we brought to them, they accepted and came back with, which to me shows that they're willing to work with us. I would say the same thing with the Bakovic group. Every time we've asked them to add walking trails or do something along that, they've done that. And I think, you know, the Hancock Health has been an outstanding partner helping us through that to make sure that the standards are going to remain high. I think um our conversations, and I know it's hard because not everybody here has been in those conversations, but in all the conversations I've been involved in, it's not a no, we're not doing that because it costs too much. It's okay, we don't really love that, but we'll go back and and figure it out. And I think that's what gives me excitement around these projects. Um, additionally, the cheapest house in the New Palestine area that has a New Palestine zip code on Zillow right now is $285,000, right? And I think we we have a lot of pride in this community and we want to keep our standards high, but we want young people to also come to this community and be teachers and and get jobs here. And that's hard to do right now, right? They have to rent somewhere else and come in. I don't know if anybody's looked at the starting teacher salary, but we can't get one of our extremely qualified New Palestine graduates to go to college and come back and work here and be a part of this community. So, this allows us to do that. And since the initial Kroger conversation, I have not been able to go into a public event and somebody not ask me about Kroger. So, thank you guys for that. I've been really excited. So this 20 2030 hopefully gets moved up so I don't have to spend four years listening to that

and it's it's not just from New Greenfield Township. I have people you know friends that live all over the place that ask me about so it's not just New Palestine that's waiting on this. It's it's literally the surrounding communities that are waiting on that. So

I would the last thing I would end with is I I get my my land doesn't butt up to these properties. So I sympathize with the way it was and the way it's going to be and I understand that. What I would say is continue to bring those concerns to us throughout the process. We we'll continue to work right and try to make everything as as applicable and and can work for everybody as we can, right? It's it's hard to try to make everybody in this town um align and row the vote in the same direction. It's not easy, right? And I'll be the first to tell you that. But we are Yeah, we are committed to making sure that that we're doing what's best for the town and also trying to make sure that that we don't cause problems for anybody else as well.

Yeah. Yeah. You guys said all the good stuff there, so there's nothing.

No, I'm just kidding. Um but no, the the the excitement does extend beyond uh area. Um being a person that works down in Shelby County, uh those people in northwestern Shelby County, they travel quite a ways to uh to get food and um for food options and things like that. So, um you know, I know people have seen the the Papa John's sign go up out there that they're coming soon and know all the talk of Kroger and they're they're excited. So, it's it's going to be we bring money from outside communities into our community, too. And uh that's nothing but positive there for us. So, yeah. Uh oh, I've got a shovel in my car. Let's Let's go get busy. Any other comments before we vote? Thank you. And thank you for all of the comments from the community. And as Chad said, if there are concerns in the future, just please reach out to us and share them with us. At this time, all those in favor of adopting resolution 050626A as presented in our backup materials and has been explained as being a third amendment to the 2020 UDP. Please indicate by saying I

I opposed. Motion carries and the resolution is passed. Thank you very much. I would just offer any of the neighbors if the concerns reach y'all before they come to me and I haven't done my job. So any concerns please come to us. No reason to bring that to you all. Thank you. Um we have no other business this evening. So is there a motion to adjurnn? I will make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. All those in favor of adjourning, please indicate by saying I. We are adjourned. Thank you.