Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Okay. Thank you. Uh this is the planning board meeting of December 16. Um we have a short agenda. We have a quorum. Is there a motion to open the meeting? Motion. Second. Second.

All in favor? I. Our first item is the uh resolution that we're under consideration for CG Homes. This is at 456 and 462 Armmont Road. Last time around, we adopted a negative negative declaration and we closed the public hearing, but we had some discussion items still open on the resolution. So, we have a draft here before us this evening. This is an application for a preliminary subdivision plan approval. Application of our storm water management and erosion and sedimentation control and tree removal permit for construction of a four lot well a five lot but four lots with four homes but a five lot so we have the um uh draft resolution before us. Uh we have a new version. I hope everyone got it with some red lines in there. Um, I think it would be important, we haven't, you guys haven't done a subdivision, so I think it's important for us to go through some of the major points. Um, I don't think it's going to be important for us to go through all of the storm water issues and detail. I mean, that stuff is left to the engineers, left to staff, but there are a couple of items in here that are I think are important. Um, and just to give some context and reasons as to as to why they're in here. So, we have um and Bobi prepared a um um an executive summary and I I have that for staff. But you'll notice that we talk about and we've talked about this on other applications and this is why we talk about it because it comes from the subdivision uh when it was approved where we have uh it should not exceed 110% of the figure identified in the coverage and the um uh disturbance on the on the entire lot the development should not exceed 115%. The reason for this, the background on this was we used to get applications in for subdivisions and these folks would

draw little tiny thousand square foot uh little boxes in there with no pools, no development, no improvements and it was just unrealistic. And then we would get the actual applications in. And we felt that they were basically bypassing the planning board, the environmental review board, conservation board, whoever else had zoning board who had jurisdiction on on these things because what would happen is you'd have now a much larger house and you'd have environmental impacts that were not considered. You know, slopes were different, cut and filled was different, storm water was different. We now have a pool. You know, what are we doing there? And so what we said was we we started to tell uh applicants, give us a realistic sizing of what you want to do on that lot. Show us where you're going to put a pool if you were you thinking about a pool of tennis court or whatever it might be. And if you recall, I actually asked the applicant once if if these were realistic boxes that he was showing, you know, of a, you know, certain square footage that would make sense for the actual development. The reason for that is not to trap folks, but really that we get a realistic look at uh what the impacts are going to be upfront. So, um we we adopt this a long long time ago on some major subdivisions that we have. So, that's why we have it. And again, I I think we're okay. We'll hear from the applicant, but uh we want to make sure that the numbers that they're using and the impacts that we've considered are realistic. Uh will they be 100% exact in the field? Of course not, but that'll be close enough. So um the next thing is um I wouldn't say this is really standard. It's become a little bit more standard, but we have in on page seven number nine. Um, and this is I don't think it's going to be a problem for the applicant, but in any event, we have started because DEPC has kind of asked us to to consider um the season for proper the proper season for cutting and clearing trees if there are northern uh

long-eared bats or Indiana bats in the area. I believe we went through a very comprehensive study for a wound application and I believe that these bats basically live a little bit north of us maybe 15 20 miles north of us but uh they could come down and uh the issue is um they nest during the summer and uh I guess spring and summer is it Dennis something like that but the cutting season is uh what like November through May is that you're Okay.

Yeah. I mean, basically, so in summary, um, in order to just avoid, you know, any incidental takes, you know, in accordance with, um, you know, the Federal Endangered Species Act, it's like, um, it's not considered a, you know, sensitive habitat as a whole. So, you're allowed to do what you have to do. But it's uh I guess the best policy now uh they've been to this for a while now and DC concurs is that ju just just avoid the the the summer maternal roost season. So or any any potential cuz if they're you know doing a winter hibernation they're not going to be there. So at least when you take the tree down you know you're not directly uh impacting or affecting any of the individuals. So this is the safest way to basically comply with that. So it's it's it's something that we haven't really we haven't seen with the applications that we get for wetlands and steep slopes etc. So uh that's why it's there. Um something that's relatively there we've done the last five or six years but um that's why it's there. The next thing we really hadn't talked about it very much but I think the presumption was when we talked about this application that we identified Dennis identified the metal in the back to be to the west of of great importance and and fairly unique for the town and we really wanted to protect it. So one of the items is obviously where we've been talking about demarcations and not having any incursion into the wetland buffer. Um and um obviously in addition to the wetland buffer and the conservation easement uh I I think we're going to propose that the clearing grading limit lines would be co-terminus. So it's really it's it's no impact really to the applicant because it's going to be the same line but basically you know where we have that fence that we're going to put in the back u u it will be there but we really want to identify clearing grading limit lines. It's usually it's very important to have clearing grading limit lines in conservation uh developments and it's something that we we tend to watch

fairly carefully. So that's what you'll see on uh is there number 22 on page nine um on it's number 62 on page 14 is a reference to the clearing and graded limit lines. We can look at those in some detail, but the I I the concept is we had not really spoken about, but I think the presumption is that we would want to see that be the clearing grading limit line as well as the the same line for the conservation development as well as the wetland buffer. Um, now this is something that we talked about, but we had a conversation uh this morning and um the engineering folks um really think that we should not just use a split rail fence uh for the back for the demarcation and the reason for that is they rot after a while and who's going to enforce and how are we going to assure that we have this demarcation and protection of this meadow and the wetland buffer and also clear and grading lemon lines. So, the thought was uh I think uh as a town engineer uh Jeff's idea was that um he would want to see what was it Jeff like a 30-inch uh wall with stone wall with you know fencing on top of that and then of course the sign that Dennis um I don't know if Dennis ever finished the design of the sign but we we saw some some sketches in any event some signage as well. So this is a you know this is a change because I think the board had really been satisfied with a split rail fence and some u you know what was it some sort of chicken wire fencing on it but uh the engineers think that it would be better to have something more permanent that is going to last um uh I don't know about perpetuity but certainly last longer than a split rail fence so we don't have problems with enforcement. So, this is something that, you know, uh, Ralph, do you want to comment on that or or run for the hills or or what on it? Again, it's it's kind

of a curve because I think we had resolved on a split rail fence and some chicken wire to protect. I think that's where we landed with the with the split rail fence and chicken wire and I think that kind of goes with the whole place. Um, Greg is on the call also. I will add that the stone wall is going to add a lot more cost. Um, I think the issue for us is transparency and the faculty members don't want to call the houses from their backyard and meadow visually because that's one

should I make a suggestion to maybe put some boulders down or something so that in the event that the fence deteriorates there is still a boundary there. Sure. That's where I was going. I was going to say that you know a proper you know just boulders defining it and then the fence and as far as the height of a fence I noticed here not six feet we would probably like to keep it closer to 4T for the same transparency because reality is it's just you know creates a barrier dentist was concerned about people throwing trash and accessing it but in reality we want to have as open we feel as possible and have you know have that connection to formulate that.

Can I can I say one thing? I mean, as far as just drafting approach, u just make certain you show certain details on the plans because I don't believe at this point in time there's any details or sections on the plan. So, we want to keep it consistent from lot 1, two, three, and four as well. So, that'd be great. Of course, everyone can look at it and like if you're going to put the stone in addition to the split rail with the chicken wire. Is that what you're thinking, Rick? Well, I wasn't sure about chicken wire because reality is the purpose of it. I mean, the question is what's the purpose of the fence? So, Dennis was concerned about people actually accessing the back. So once you put this bar rail in and you put additional stones below at certain distances that prevents people from getting equipment into it and kind of just you know incurring you know basically um encourages people to stay away but at the same time visually connected because the last thing you want to do is create you know who's who enjoy this if you're going to have a chicken wire and wall I mean it's like I mean doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Whatever whatever the planning will sizing you just wanted to show detail. Thank you. Thank you. Bob and Jeff, do you have uh suggestions or Dennis in terms of the spacing of boulders and what you want what you want to see? I I I mean I think the applicant has made a very nice um argument that he wants that open field so he can enjoy the the sight of the meadow. I mean it's

you know the wall that you know we were talking about this um you know a wall the wall is 30 in tall it's not going to block anyone as far as the fence goes nobody was talking about a 6ft tall fence you know this is really just for for it can be it can be 36 in or 42 in you know the chicken wire I don't think is particularly necessary you know the chicken wire is good to keep people from falling through things like if you're using it as a guard but you know the chicken wire is not particularly necessary in this in this case, I don't think. Well, I think protection. Yeah, I think the reason

I don't think it was for safety. I think the reason for that was Dennis was concerned that we'd have people blowing stuff down down into the meadow mowers and that kind of stuff. So, having something that would keep the leaves being blown and the grass being blown down there. And I I probably mis misused the word chicken wire. I think it was something a little bit better than that. Yeah. a 4x4 by two. I think there's like a 4x two that's 48 in high that works well with split rails.

Um split rails, yes, they you know 10 to 15 years and then they really start to go especially the rails as they rot. But you know in the document we have the homeowners responsible for we have this I think the homeowners we you we call out let me just find the right page. Bear with me one second. uh on page five there's a whereas where they're responsible for storm water management the integrity of the fence and tree planting. So doesn't that kind of just put on the responsibility of the homeowner in 15 years to maintain it? Um you know food for thought for the group and while we're on that whereas can um I'm wondering if we should add to it the driveways because who maintains the driveways once you get off a 128? Aren't they kind of common like the fence and the management of the storm water and the tree planting?

There is good there is a there is a maintenance agreement. Oh, okay. So, it's covered someplace else. Yeah. Okay, great. Then forget it.

What are thoughts of of the board? Personally, I'm I'm okay with a split rail fence and and some sort of additional wire on as we discussed, you know, before. And then with the boulders, uh, whatever spacing you guys, Dennis and Bob and Jeff think is appropriate, right?

Right. I mean, if if you have, you know, if if because if you think about it, so this is a metal area. I mean, you have things reaching a few feet in height of maturity. uh in terms of you know all those herb species. So um you know there's stones that are you know only that you know you could pick up with two hands and drop them they're clear on a lawn but they're not going to be clear in a meadow. So I I mean I I concur that this doesn't have to be a wall. Um I assume everybody who has that PE after their name they like to go in that direction because it helps to put their fingerprint on it. But I'm okay with, you know, just boulders and, you know, depending on the size of the boulders. To me, that would dictate the spacing. They don't necessarily have to be right up against each other, right?

But I think the larger the rocks, the the the greater the spacing, the smaller they are, it it almost would have to like now start to resemble, you know, like a farmer's wall in the woods, you know, from 100 years ago. Could they do a farmer's wall? Sure. I mean, I'm loose loose fit farmers wall with all the rocks that they're going to excavate out. I mean, I'm Yeah, this doesn't have to be anything that, you know, you have to pull stone from from another region or it has to all be, you know, like stream, you know, washed beds of smooth stone. It's definitely could be anything on on site that that would satisfy and just be just be moved to,

you know, just suggest as long depending on the side. agree with depending on the size of the rocks that you would have basically distance clear distance between the rocks. So is it like 36 in as someone suggested just now or something like that? That might make sense, right? I mean if you if you if you get them large enough um you know what what is the uh the posts are usually what eight 8t apart when you do this type of fencing or 10 ft apart? You can get eight and 10 right? I believe eight. I think they have different heights. 8. Yeah. 6 through eight is what we usually do. I mean eight is a normal size. Yeah.

Mhm. Right. So if you if you did, you know, one and a half per post, two propose, depending on the on the size. I mean, you might be able to do one per post if the if the rocks are big enough, you know, or you can, depending on, you know, cuz I I I'll rely on you for how you feel sort of the aesthetic should be for for a homeowner, but if you're viewing the back, um, you know, I'm thinking about it. Would the rocks be staggered? You know, would the boulders be staggered such that they would be uh at the sort of center of the of the fence where the rails are horizontal or would you look to line them up actually with the with the posts the the vertical

post offset from the post because you already have that spacing there. So it will probably be you know offset couple post and then that's all. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. know that's that's kind of where I was at too. I I didn't think you would need more than two. And again, if they were of size, you might only need one, you know, depending on on how big is pig. Sure. Ultimately, we'll work with you. I mean, if you I mean, you know, we'll show you what we're doing, but we like to work with the natural feature. So, perfect.

Okay. So, Sabrina, um, if if we're going to go back to the split rail fence, we have to change the wording there on page 10, uh, number 23 because that's speaking about the required low stone wall and post fence on top of it. So, I don't know what our wording was before, but um, you know, we're going to have to make that change. Rever, yes. like 42 kids access to like we said we weren't requiring

I'm sorry three posters two sometimes we make two then three three I think it's probably going to be in this case you know just good details on it. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, yeah, we gave you, I think, enough room here for for you to design it. So, we leave it to you to come back with the decals for final. Sure.

We'll make that change uh and remove it, change it from the stone wall to the split rail with the with the boulders to be to be determined, to be designed. And uh and then of course um Dennis, you're happy with one sign per household per per home site. Did you want more? I don't know what what you want for signs. Yeah, I just I just figured a minimum of of one depending on on the sign. One may be one may be fine, but it just seemed like, you know, make one giant sign, put it in the middle, obviously just want it to look. Yeah. Right. Exactly.

Okay. So again, that's that's a detail that you can show in terms of uh the signage. Are you guys preparing the wording or are we doing that? You already did, didn't you? I don't think so. When we when the signs came up um in I think I I'm pretty sure that Dennis and you worked that out. I saw a word on Yeah. No, we didn't. Uh, we didn't Can you give them the wording from the other site we worked on? Uh, sure. I'll try to find that one. It sounds good. I'd rather not create anything.

Yeah. And we'll make those changes on the stone wall as well. Back to what we had before. Okay. Anyone against that? No. Okay.

Makes sense. Two months ago, so it kind of still makes sense. Okay, great. Um, and we'll take care of the bouldering wall. There's another item. Um, this is, I think, number 25, which has clearly become kind of standard when we have pools, and we had some changes in that language. Um Jeff, you had that revised language. You know, when we have uh pools that have to be self-contained, we've got that in here. But um they also have to have um backwashed, they cannot be backwashed during the season to discharge onto the ground into the uh the wetlands, etc. And then all the the draw down at the end of the season, it's got to be hooked up so it goes into the storm water detention pond. So, um Jeff has actually uh put together some language. Jeff and Bob have got some language that uh we're going to insert uh on that uh was it number 25? Yeah, number 25 on page 10. Again, very standard. We do that on all of the subdivisions. Um we uh whenever there's a new subdivision, we uh we always uh ask the applicant to either provide some sort of recreation on site or if they can't, then to contribute to the uh recreation fund. And the way that works is there's a fee per per lot that's created. So in this case, we have five lots that are being created and the rate now is $7,000 per lot. So, we would be asking the applicant to contribute $35 to the recreation fund.

35,000. 35,000. What did I say? $35. That would be for me, but $35,000. There's only four lots which are actually house lots. Correct. But there's five lots altogether that's created that are created by the subdivision. So, you have the the storm water lot. The tension still counts as a lot. um

we uh we decided that it would be important for you to uh use a name uh for the private road that you're going to create uh I guess for a lot of reasons uh emergency uh uh response post office etc. So we leave that to you. Um, and one one of the thoughts was in case there's any kind of connection with this area, this particular property with some sort of historical significance, you may want to uh contact the historical society just to see if there's some sort of significance for this area. Um, we we've done that before, for example, with the Reader's Digest property, and we used the names of some of the Readers Digest founders, etc. for the roads. Uh Dennis thinks there's a lot of sand out there, so he was thinking about quarry, but uh it's too hard to spell, especially if you try to use cursive quarry.

But we leave that that you know that's that's your marketing touch. Whatever you want to do uh within reason is uh we'll be fine. And um yeah, Baba gave me this this note that you know once you actually start your work it's it's supposed to be um you know as consistent or avoid unnecessary disturbance to see slopes and vegetation to the maximum extent possible and then also stay out of the wetlands to the maximum possible. I'm not so sure I I really agree with that language. We, you know, we have permits that you're you're being approved for. So, whatever your activity is, it should be consistent with those approved permits. So, uh do not create additional steep slopes and do not incur additional steep slopes uh issues or wetland issues. Uh frankly, just stay within the uh four corners of the approvals. Um uh what we've also thought is I'm not quite sure where the paragraph is, but it's in here toward the end. Um the planning board on this kind of a conservation site normally retains site plan jurisdiction for any future development changes etc. So it's probably something that does not will not impact you guys but it will impact future homeowners. Uh it's one of the other ways that we can help enforce um what we think are the things that are worth protecting with a conservation development. We don't normally do it on standard developments, but on conservation developments we normally do. Again, I don't think it has

just clarification to that. Uh actually details my other question for item uh which is 63 here. Yes, we have to obtain a variance from zoning boards. So this has a right. We still have to go for variance apparently. Uh apparently John you maybe you could describe what the the variance is. We we we actually talked about this this just before the meeting because I wasn't aware of it. Yeah. Because your your driveway doesn't go to a to a road to a town road. So you just need a two what is it? 28A variance, right?

28A variance is. But don't we have frontage on the road? Yeah, but the driveway has to go to the town road, not just the property. So, the individual driveways are going to the the non road which is, you know, it's it's very technical, very administrative, but it should be, you know, we can we can send you off to the ZBA with a letter. Does each lot need a variance or just one variance for the whole site? Oh, each lot. So it's four very Yes. Bob will

I spoke I spoke to the building inspector on this Ralph uh he felt it would not be an issue but based on his interpretation as practiced being consistent uh he said it would needed that was a time Will they need a various lot? So, we would apply for each lot when we apply for a building permit. That's correct. They'll give you a denial letter. Mhm. I need to go to the assembly board with that denial letter and get a variance with the difference. I mean, what kind of process is that in terms of variance? two months. Okay.

This is a standard procedure that they would um issue you the 28A for each of the loss and um it takes 2 months to go through the zoning board. It's more of a formality. Keep in mind your roads are already built. They're established. They're 24 ft wide. They're good for fire access. That comes up. Yeah. They're not going to and they're not going to pick on anything because it's already built quite well and designed quite well. So it's almost going to be a formality. Can we document this in a letter for them to go to the ZBA? I mean, as a developer, two months is two months, right? So if we can

Yeah, but you can't you can't get to the ZBA without a denial. You have no jurisdiction without a denial of a building permit application, right? That's just a you know, you can't we can't do it early. But can we give them a letter that says can we support the application? Can we do a letter in support? Sure. Application that we have a letter from we have a letter from the building inspector. Okay. Okay. I don't think there's any problem with our putting together a short memo just saying you know um Yeah. Just just to I mean it's going to be approved subdivision plan. Yes. Yeah. Right. Folks, the building inspector wrote a memo. So, can I use that?

Sure. Sure. We'll take a look at it. We can use that and we can send it to the

board and we can supplement we can supplement it as well and say, you know, we also we endorse the the building inspector's uh recommendation. Uh okay, those are the main points uh that I wanted to cover uh that were either non-standard or something that we hadn't talked about. I had sent a note around to folks uh and it's in here. I think Greg referred to it as well when he was asking the question before. you know the I don't think we formally decided at the last meeting but uh we had the recommendation of Dennis we had the recommendation of the conservation board that we should consider the healthy Norway maples to be trees in terms of uh interpreting the uh the tree clearing and the the need for replacement as well as the fund if they can't be replaced on site. So um uh again you know we have some discretion on this uh but I think uh it would be I wouldn't anticipate that we would go against the recommendation of the conservation board and the environmental coordinator on that issue and um we were talking before Greg was talking informally before and it probably it's it's there some areas that perhaps we can add a few more trees uh that will you know take care of the the tree fund and and mitigate that issue. but it's not going to um take care of the situation. So, they're going to have to contribute to the tree fund to some degree, whatever, you know, there's going to be a delta on whatever that change is. So, and again um we'll see the I guess the final uh landscape plan when you come back with final and um you know, we can play with it at that point, but we don't want to hold you up at this point uh on that and get this through preliminary.

Okay. Okay. Ralph, are there any questions that you have? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, just a couple more questions. One is, and I found it to be curious. You guys want us to clear the trees within one year of giving plant approval. Notificial why you want us to do that. I mean, I have no problem doing it, but if a project gets delayed, I mean, we want to keep the trees for as long as possible. I was just curious why why there is a one year deadline there. Well, the thing is that the uh the tree permit is good for a year. Correct. So, it's um

you have to come back and renew the permit, the tree removal permit. Correct. So, it's just set up in in in our regulation that is supposed to be done within a year. We're not necessarily urging you to do it. We understand that there are delays and problems and issues. So, it's it's again a proform type of thing if you need an extension on any of these environmental um permits.

Okay. So, just curious and one point of clarification as you were mentioning before each individual is subject to planning board approval. Is it just that we're submitting to you and you guys are looking at it or how does this process work? So when you when you go to develop each lot, you will have to submit to the planning board for the individual lot for site plan approval.

They will compare what you are submitting to construct in that site plan. They will compare it to what was proposed in the subdivision to make sure that there's consistency. And if there are changes, you would address those changes to the board. They wouldn't be the approval authority. They would ask you really within the parameters of what approvals are. Is it just a staff approval or I'm just trying to understand not just go through the building department? No, of course I do on spec. Yeah, we're going to probably do two if prior.

Why? As long as it stays within those. Yeah. If they come in, they want, you know, an invisible pool that's going down to the wetland. I mean, then we have a different situation.

Seven. Item six. Can I'm asking you not roosting and then the new birds aren't or the new bats aren't there. Can we do something March, April, and May when all the new nests are up and we're wiping out two generations of birds make this also for so going up to six where we say you got to cut down all the trees in a year. to these six months or these four months or or tree removal cannot occur during these I'll leave it to Dennis and John on that but you know I don't know if we have anything that we can use as a touchstone and seeker other than we just like birds uh which

let's take a step back and work this almost backwards goalpost because fortunately the bat window as I've always referred to it kind of takes care of that cons so indirectly iturs it helps the bats and this is the window. So, but Dennis, in this particular case, that's only if um you're looking to hire people to actually do a presence and absence survey. You really want to do misnetting and echo. So, yeah. So, I think I think we're going to be good on that. That was it for me. Okay. Any Ralph, any questions, issues? Uh no, not for me.

Okay. Will be amended. Are there uh is there a motion to adopt the uh Okay. Well, thank you. We'll see you. See you for final. Happy holidays for Tucci. Tushi. Um okay. Muted. Hey, Sabrina, you want to run through your comments?

Sure. Sure. No problem. the Hammond Ridge Conservation Subdivision and it was constructed with an allowable building coverage of 4,200 square ft um also allowed 10% increase in building coverage and a 15% incre um building permit. It affected the coverage limitations and storm water requirements. So the property itself was transferred in 2024 and the new owners are before you to correct the um the situation. So um right now this application is a type two action under the state environmental quality review act when it comes to coverage which is one of really my only issue two issues is the coverage issue for um building coverage is compliant with the limitations that were set by the resolution. The development coverage, however, is over what was set by roughly 1,963 square ft. The applicant needs to correct a reference on the plans that are seeking a variance for this coverage. This is not a zoning dictated limitation. It is a planning board limitation. So, there is no such thing as the board giving this board giving a variance or you go into zoning for this variance. Um the so so there are a couple changes that need to be clarified on the plan set. Uh there seems to be an incorrect number uh in relation to the variance based on what the actual disturbance is. In addition, I requested that a coverage map be prepared. While there is a coverage detail and a map, the acreage the the specific size of the different areas are not on the plan. I'd like to be able to confirm the sizes that are

listed in the coverage calculation worksheet. So, yeah, that's some work to do there. Um, so with that 1,987 square foot overage in in building or in development coverage, I think there's really two options for the applicant to consider or that I'd like to discuss with the planning board. The applicant can change the clearing rating limit line and swap out areas and provide some sort of mitigation, but that will require a new declaration to be filed with the county identifying that new clearing grade limit line. The other option is for the applicant to consider reducing the amount of imperous surfaces on the site to reduce the almost 2,000 square foot overage. And that is all I have for you.

Right. I mean, I think from our standpoint, the issue for us, the public policy issue for us is the the mitigation that we want to see to offset the uh the increase of almost 2,000 square feet. Um so almost like um by the way, you can see where the 110 115 comes in. Here it is, you know, connecting the dots from a prior application. So um the issue is uh and I think Sabrina has really laid it out very uh correctly and very appropriately. It's up to the applicant how they want to address the mitigation. U she outlaw outlined um two options and we've done this in fact even on this uh subdivision uh with prior applications. So, uh people can uh pull up some of the um uh some of the areas that they have built um without permits or and or uh they can uh you know take a few slices of uh of the lawn and and restore that back to wooded areas or uh you know something more naturalistic and not not bowed for example. So uh there are ways of handling this but uh that's we haven't seen any kind of mitigation yet. So that's going to be critical uh to to see teams made to the finalization of this this approval. And again we we can leave the choice to the applicant in terms of uh what might be better, easier. Um I think Sabrina has laid out one option which you know the clearing ready limit lines will will um trigger some additional work in terms of um filings etc. Um, good evening J Hernandez. I'm representing ARQ. Um, and representing as Sabrina mentioned before, uh, this is, um, the property was sold. So, um, I think at this point I will confirm with

the client, but at this point I think that we'll probably work with Sabrina and to see what kind of mitigation we can do. Um I'm not sure that the current clients would be looking into reducing the um amount of imperous area they have. So we will reach out and try to work out and find out what kind of mitigation is suitable for the my client the prior owner and the current owner of the property.

Okay. So so so with that Mr. Hernandez, I think that we're happy to meet with you and and to discuss some options. But please note that if you choose to do that, you will be drawing a new clearing rating limit line which will require a filing um a survey line to be submitted on a subdivision flat um and filed with the community health department. Okay. So, it's another process that you will go through. Okay. But the ultimate news of

Jeeoff, I think you have some comments before we leave this application. You had some comments or or Yeah. some comments indicating that you were satisfied with a lot of the materials that you received. Um, there's other stuff that um that they have to put on the plans obviously, but otherwise they were tight. Okay. Remember last time I'm trying to understand the different colors on S100 you had the blue, the red, the yellow, the green, the purple. What exactly each of those are?

Those were referred to different those are steep slopes and there is no email will provide anyone with that as well. Well, the purple seems to be impervious increased in able to share

if you're referring to this is the colors we chose the colors. This is the area that we're adding. I know the purple you added, but what about the red, the blue, the yellow, and the green? Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was showing. I'm sorry. Not yet. Okay, there you go. Not quite. Not yet. Oh, there we go.

There we go. Perfect. there. So this is the area that we're added to. This is um steep slopes and this is the area that we are putting the stone water. So the blue is what's the blue? 15%. Uh I think less than 15%. And then green is 15 to 25. Yellow is 25 to 35 and red is yes. Okay.

We will put that in the next. Thank you. And that's existing. Yes. The city are existing. Is the storm water existing? No, the storm water is not existing. we were proposing this what they're proposing and then the purple is what they're trying to mitigate. Yes. Okay. So, because I'm looking at the difference in the aerials in the upper right corner and I can't really see a difference in the driveway in the driveways. So, what you're proposing here is you're actually going to modify the driveways with these steep slopes.

This is a 2018 photo and this is a 2024. The work is already done with the with the driveway, the patio. The only work that they are proposing to do is to add the storm water. Got it. So, we're not there isn't any steep slope work. It's already been done. Okay. And the applicant didn't do the work. It was the prior owner. Prior cleaning up the mess. Okay. Yes. But 2,000 ft is a lot of feet to It is.

Okay. All right. So, um we'll look forward to um updated drawings and updated information with regard to litigation and um when it's all said, talk with staff and uh we'll see it again. Okay. Thank you. You too. Okay. Uh we have uh the minutes somewhere I have minutes the minutes of December 2nd.

I have one thing I would like to add. Okay. Uh page two. You can do it after line 32. You ready? All right. I wrote it. I could just give it to you what I wrote. Sure. I just want to put in for everybody else knows we I had talked to Ralph about flanking the entry with trees and he said he was going to study it for today's meeting, right? And he never did. So I just like to have it in the minutes that he said he was going to do it so I could bring it up next time. Revisited it when he comes to submit final. Exactly.

And I looked a note. I'll make a note. and all those fields can be moved or adjusted so he could get trees flanking that. So, I was waiting for him to say, "No, I can't. The fields are in the way." Okay. But that's all I had on the minutes. Anyone else have any changes? Okay. Is there a motion then to adopt the meeting uh minutes of December 2nd as amended? As amended. Motion. Second. Second. All in favor? I I standing because I wasn't here. Okay, you can adopt um you can we we did this before if you um if you the minutes, right? So are you if you were dumb enough to actually watch us I did watch I did watch

I actually read while everything you So you're good. I watched it in preparation for this. Okay for the minutes. All right. I'll include you in the count. Very good. Thank you. All righty. Is there a motion to close the meeting? Motion. Second. Second. All in favor? Happy holidays to everyone. Enjoy guys on TV. Second year in a row without having coffee. The bird protective glass. Yeah, I didn't bring that one up either. Are we off? We're off. All right. Now,