Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

call to order the Nagash uh city of Nagish planning and zoning commission meeting. Um I guess first we'll uh ch chairman pull your mic up please. I'm sorry. Uh let's go ahead and take roll first. Okay. Alexa Bernard here. Anita Dewis here. Bobby Claybourne here. Charles Whitehead III here. Isaac Lewis. Michael Lewis here. Ricky Mallister here. Sadie Sawyer here. Walter Johnson here. All right. By my count, that's a quorum. Yes, it is. All right. The procedure we'll follow this evening, we have uh it appears we have one uh one subdivision. Well, actually two subdivisions uh before us. So, um actions of this commission will be final on applications in the new business um 11 days from today unless someone takes an appeal. Uh I don't see anybody here on behalf of the Braxton. Uh so I'll wait and go over that procedure with regard to the plat. Um procedure we'll have is we'll hear from the applicant or his designate first and then we'll hear uh all persons in favor of the application. Then we'll hear um persons opposed to the application and then a single individual designated by the applicant uh to address things in opposition only. Um, I please ask everybody to come up and identify themselves and to speak into the microphone. Uh, please, if you have to go away from the podium to point at something at one of the screens, talk up. Uh, we're only going to have one

person talking at a time. We had a problem with that last time where a lady got really animated and she's 15 feet away from the microphone and won't listen to me banging the gavvel because the poor lady that has to do the minutes can't figure out what's going on because they're 15 feet away. We'll stay here as long as we have to to get all the testimony and everybody will have a say in accordance with those rules. Did I miss anything, madame director? No, sir. Uh uh section 1.2 2 commissioners have been provided copies of the amendments uh from the previous meeting on held on Jan June 3rd 2025 is if there's no corrections additions or deletions I'll entertain a motion to wave the formal reading and accept them as proposed I so move motion by Miss Dubo second by Mr. Johnson. All in favor say I. I. All like sign. All oppose like sign. That carries it. Ladies, get me after the meeting and I'll sign that. Uh sub that's all in section one. Section two, old business review. Subsection 2.1. The city of council approved uh Mr. Mod's application at 119 Sydney Street to uh reszone the following a lot on the south side of Sydney West 20. Uh that seems to conflict with 2.4. Has the city already approved this? They did. You know, we approved the the reszone. Yes, the reszone. Okay. The city approved to reszone uh the west 20 ft of lot three and the east 20 ft of lot 4 the David Pearson addition to the city of Nagish from R1 to R2 special exception to operate short-term rental bearing 119 Sydney Street. Uh 2.2 the city council approved the application by Mr. John Bernard to reszone the following and subdivided as

well a 2.91 acre track of land located in section 70172 township 9 range 7 West Nagage Parish, Louisiana shown on a plate of survey by Mr. Robert Lind Davis professional land surveyor dated March 24, 2025 being boarded on the west by South Drive on the north by the Nagadish Times on the east by Thomas and on the south by Fidelic from I1 to R3 to sell property. These will be lots on Highway One bypass. Uh old business review 2.3 for discussion. U Pastor Stanley Clemens uh Freedom Life Church to subdivide the following 15.431 431 acre track 3 containing 12.2 acres and a track containing 2.89 described as future road located in section 32 township 9 north range 7 west Nag Parish, Louisiana shown on map slide 639A and lot C-15-E containing 0.421 being shown on a plat recorded at map slide 783A of the records of Nagades Parish, Louisiana. uh of the conveyance records of Nage Parish, Louisiana, Bay, Municipal Address, 1530 Kaiser Avenue. What's the discussion that we need to have about this? Madame director, the one for Pastor Stanley Clemens, what we found in doing our research or if we go back at least to our last meeting, the application was presented to us stating that, let me just read what we did for that meeting. It was an application by pastor Stan Clemens Freedom Life Church to subdivide the following 15.431 acre track 3 containing 12.12 acres and a track containing 2.89 acres described as future road located in section 32 township 9 north range 7 west shown on

map slide 639- A and lot C-15-E containing 0.421 421 acre being shown on a plaque recorded at map slide 783- A reason to reverse subdivide parcels to develop a Christian school and athletic field. During that meeting the question was asked what was the property zoned as unbeknowings to us we didn't realize we stated that the property was zoned or one for residential development. During that meeting, we also stated that if they decided to move forward with any developments for uh track and field, anything like that, that they would have to come back before planning and zoning. However, doing further research to find out what they initially did with this property back in 2008, they came before planning and zoning originally to subdivide this property. This is what was done or what was stated back then in 2008. According to the application, it was an application by Freedom Life Church Incorporated to subdivide and resone the following 40.64 acre track being tract A in section 32-9-7 as shown on the plat by REL Brie Love Jr. dated March 17th, 1987 from R1 to B3. track 32 12.12 acres to construct a church and 60 foot dedicated ride ofway on Kaiser Avenue. What happened during that meeting? Miss Fer stated that the city council approved the annexation of this property in November of 2008. She stated that the 40 acre property was brought in with R1 zoning. She stated that the applicant proposes to subdivide the property into five parcels which includes a 60-foot section that would be dedicated for right away. Miss Fowler

stated that the front parcel which is 12 acres will be reszoned to B3 and the rear parcel 24 acres will remain or one. Miss Fowler stated that she had been working with Mr. Durban and Reverend Clemans on behalf of Freedom Life Church Incorporated. She stated that is imperative that there is a dedicated rideway so the property in the rear will have adequate access and not be landlocked. Miss Fowler also stated that this application would be twofold because it would allow the applicant to move forward with the construction of the street. The next step in construction of street will be that a full set of construction plans be presented for the design of the road and then the plans will be reviewed by the city and if approved it will come back to planning and zoning for ratification and then the applicant will be authorized to begin the construction. Miss Fowler stated she that she had already given the applicant referrals to the utility department, fire department, public works department to define what the requirements would be for the infrastructure, including the future development of the property in the rear. So going back to what our discussion was, we were unaware that the property was zoned B3. With the property being B3, then there was no reason for the church to come to us for anything but to combine the lots. The lots that they were talking about combining was that 60 ft rightway and the 12 acres that they were proposing to build the church. This plat was a little bit big. So I will get pass around for you to see and we can pass it around to the ordinance also. If I'm not mistaken they actually changed this upside down. This is a 12.12 acres of land, right? And this is a 60 foot wide land. Okay. In our last meeting, these were the two portions that they combined. However,

the question that we were questioning about was this. So, the church is over here. The church is here. Okay. All right. And so, they still haven't touched this 24.63 acres. Okay. We were under the impression on the last meeting that they were combining the 12.12 and the 24.69, but they're not. The only thing they're combining was this future road right away and this 12.12 acres of land. They're not touching this. Okay. This won't So what And so what is track three zone? This is zone B3. Was the school of use in that? Yes. And B3 is a school of use in B3. I just didn't see that. What is it under? Cuz I'm How do they list it? It's not under um a used car, right? That's what I'm looking for. I don't see that. Uh but I mean, there's all kinds of stuff similar to it that So B3 is our least restricted form of zoning. So if an applicant decides that they want to build in B3, which is the least restrictive form of zoning, then approval is not required. Okay. Well, I think I two is probably the least restrictive. Uh well, I2 is the least restrictive, but as far as commercial building is the least restrictive or one is the most restrictive. So we've made applications to where people have built in the least restrictive commercial zone because R1 is the most restricted in R1. This is where you plan that that's an administr I mean you got a art gallery museum is allowed there. It's just I see in

R one they specifically talk about uh where is it? But even though this is zone B3 when the zone property when the building was actually presented for R1 they changed it to a B3 for the construction of the school. Okay. That's where it states in 2008. Okay. So in other words it's a move point. Correct. Gotcha. already done. It's already done. Yep. All right. Thank you, Madam Director. I appreciate the clarification. Some good research there. Yeah. You know, that's why we have these old files. Um 2.4. So, I I did want to show something before started. We actually have two videos that was presented just so you can see where the drainage was because I think the young lady had a question about the drainage and the issues. Therefore, so if you don't mind, Mr. Steve, we want to show the videos that were shown for where the schools where the school was placed and where the drainage. This is the school that they just placed there. All right. I don't think we can hear the volume. We may concern right here behind our new building. It's a 30ft easement, a 30ft setback from the property line. Here is the fence that's behind this house. Not sure who lives there, but this is the line right here. So, the fence is the line. We'll quickly walk up the fence. You can see the other fence directly in front of me. It's directly in line with this fence. This person has chosen not to put up the fence, which is great. It's fine. But this is the huge drainage

compartment that is right here. This is our detention pond. As you can see, I'm about 10 ft from the property line to the edge of the detention pond. Uh right here, probably 12 to 13 ft from the edge of the property. And then here is the detention pond drainage pipe. Randall smoke engineering firm from Streetport designed it. It is built as designed per engineer. 80in drain pipe comes out drops into this uh goes into that massive cover runs down. I'm going to stop the video now and I'll be driving in just a moment. We'll go back and start where there is about a 40 foot wide ditch 12 to 14t deep that runs from uh right back there to the huge drainage ditch that runs along Seni. And so you'll see that there's a massive ditch that separates uh our property from that point uh from anything in Chin Pan. What does he mean? Saint he he meant he meant St. Maurice, not St. Den. Okay, go to the next video. Madam director, before you go to the next, I got a question. Good morning. City has been Yes. I just want to know in that what you research nothing was in there where they was required to put a fence that is part and R1's required. In fact, I'm looking at you are required to place a fence around their property to separate that property. Pastor Clement has been informed of that. That a fence will have to be Are we going to withhold? Are we going to withhold their co until they do that? We can if that's what we need to

do to make sure that the fence is put in place. Yeah. Because if I'm not mistaken, I heard him say the property owner refused to put a fence. Why is that up to the property owner? why he they should before he realized that he was zone B3. I just was wondering why, you know, cuz that I mean I think he said chose not to put up. Yeah, they chose. They chose not to. He didn't say refuse. They should have Yeah. It shouldn't have been they their choosing should have been his Mhm. directive to put that fence. Well, I would think would residential. Yeah, we thought it was it changed. But over the years since 2008, I mean, had we not did research, had this not come about, we wouldn't realize it was B3. We were all under assumption it was R1. Right. Right. Right. Okay. I just So he wins one battle and loses another. So you ready? Yes. and zoning and whom you may concern. We are right past the detention pond behind this house. You can know where the second fit started. So everyone will know the massive culvert we saw back there runs pretty well probably under that fence. That is the property line. Then when we get right here, the ditch opens up again. So here is the drain ditch that you can see closer about here. It's probably about 25 ft wide.

[Music] [Laughter] view of it. This is it. That's where the next couple starts that people decide to chasty. That ditch is at least 10 ft deep. Back in the truck. fences here behind this house. So the cart continues to run underground to here and then right here the pitch starts again. Looks to be wider than it was back there. that runs probably 12 ft deep and it runs the distance of land all the way back. Trees start there, but the ditch runs through the woods tree line all the way back to St. Maurice. I said St. Denise earlier, but St. Maurice Lane. That's what we have. Now, I do know that the young lady, did you still have a question or is am I align with what I'm asking? Chairman, I think you I think that's fair. I just come come to the poleman so we can really put that in. Hello, my name is Kristen Carpenter. I live at 113 Chinkapin Place. um which is the yard that y'all saw in the video that does not have the fence that is mine and my

husband's property. Um the only thing that I have to say is I have concerns about the drainage. Um I have photos that I presented at last month's meeting and I now have a video um of where that is not draining properly. It floods my yard every time it rains. I've actually had my sewer at my house back up into my house because of all of the backing up in that drainage ditch. And this has happened probably two or three times in the last every time it rains pretty much in the last 3 weeks since I've been here. I I think you're talking about the sanitary sewer is backing up in your house because of the storm sewer. Every time it rains, my sewer backs up. called the city utility department because the both the the the the sanitary sewer which is what we normally call sewer. There's actually two sewers. There's sanitary sewer and there's storm sewer. But the vernacular now is sewer and storm drainage. Storm drainage is open. Sanitary sewer is supposed to be absolutely contained 100%. You've got an issue either in your line or with a lift or something over there because that should that should be a 100% closed system. Isn't that right? That's correct. She would need to get in contact we'll place her in contact with our utility department to have that should not that that should not be causing the backup. So, the only other thing that I have to say is I do have a video if y'all would like to see it of that drainage ditch since they put whatever that is the engineer did. Every time it rains, it fills up and floods my yard. Like, but the like I said, the past 3 weeks it it's flooded my entire yard and it stays that way for a couple of days and then in a rain and it'll fill right back up. That might be your yard need to be built up. But we were provided

um we were provided information from our city engineers saying that what they proposed was was adequate that it was a compliance. If her yard is draining then I think there's some other issues that may be happening. Um we can talk to Nick engineers are wrong but I mean none of us are engineers. Correct. I can talk to Nick on video if y'all would like to see it. Right. Okay. I you know none of us are qualified to to look at that and see the only other thing I can mention I live I live at the very end is that and now the city started spraying that it ain't if you get a lot of rain it it's grass stuff growled up so it's not hard rain it's not going to flow it's going to go up so it needs to be cleaned out then that'll be that's a public works that's always been the problem that's always well actually that's always been the problem that's always because actually when I approached them about it. They were fighting over whether that was the levy board had that drainage or was the city called me. He'd send me to the city send me back. They go back and forth and I said, "Well, somebody, you know, we, you know, cuz it it backs up and gets on to my property, too, cuz it just it with all the cattails and stuff, it just there's no way." Now, they gotten better. They got down on my ditch and they they just finished spraying it. So, they're making a big effort. But you still you spraying, you got all that weeds down in there. It it'll have to be cleaned out. Cleaned out. Yeah, it's got to be cleaned. And that's just a big maintenance issue for the city. I mean, yeah. My husband and I paid to get the one and on our property maintenance for the past six years since we've lived there. Mhm. Thank you, Megan. Has that has that caused any damage inside your house from the sewer backing up? Yes. Uh we had to replace the floors in our house. I want to say it was about 9 months ago. Um, and like since we've lived there, it's done it, I believe,

four or five times since we've lived there. We've had a plumbing company, two or three come out, clear the lines. There's like there's really nothing in the lines besides toilet paper. Um, that they can find without having to run I think I believe they said a scope down the lines to see if there's like something truly put. Yes, sir. Because that the lift station's on there. You've been there when before this school thing. Yes, sir. When did you move in? Uh we moved in in 2018. The lift stations on my property. So there was 10 years after the neighborhood down to me and it turns on and runs it out. So that's where it's evidently something in that curve there. I don't know the lift station. They moved I moved the lift station we built back there. I had to have it moved down to my property. Everything gravitation down to me. It turns on and I've the city checks it every day. There's a man comes to my house every that lift station and checks it every day. So you may want to check with him. He's there. He comes every morning religiously. It makes me wonder. So why would they put something in those people backyard like that? I mean what do you mean? I wasn't on the commission then but I Well, you got to remember that this was done this approval was done back in 2008 before the subdivision was done. Yeah. That's that's ridiculous. See, she having that kind of problem. But those problems are not related to the construction. The problem that she has is the construction of her sewer line, not for the construction of the school or the church. Yeah. So, I still was just looking at the how close school in that property line was to me. It just But then again, you have to realize that the school was there first. Okay. I do have a concern about that. I did voice it at the last meeting. Um, you know, just having they're saying they're going to put a sports complex and stuff like that back there. I have small

children. Everyone who lives in that neighborhood have kids I would say 12 and under. And I mean that just raises a concern for us as parents too, having anybody that wants to come through our neighborhood, especially me not having a fence on my property, um, that they could just walk through and that will be addressed. We will. Mr. Pastor Clinton stated that they will to put a fence up, right? Look like they should have already had a fence up period to block when they saw development that again they were under their impression that they were zoned R1. It was before I understand. Thank you. There's all kinds of things that could be done in B3 that are a lot more burdensome than a school. Correct. I mean, uh, good lord, some of the stuff that could go in there. Car complex, you know, a funeral home, furniture store, fur dying, a gymnasium, commercial gymnasium. Okay, that's quiet. U, but I mean, uh, I think we're going to address that. I think that what I'm hearing the commission wants to do is to make a recommendation to the director that we inform the pastor that you know of the requirement here of uh offense fencing and he has been informed of it but I won't let him know that we are recommending that the while we have no authority to tell you this we're recommending the director withhold the co until it's done from soup to nuts correct so and then still let you know also that the property in the back the 24 acres He is not thinking of developing that. If anything, he plans to possibly sell it. Now, that property is zoned to R1. So, so he's going to So, let me make sure I understand. We went through all this rigma roll to take the 60 ft out and combine it with the church site. And now he's going to want to sell off the back piece. Are we going we're going to see this 60oot thing come back into

existence? I can't answer that, sir. Well, I mean, we got to have access. Yeah. So, where they going to get it from? Somebody else has to Somebody on the side of him is going to have to sell him some property or he's going to have to subdivide, which he won't be able to do that again. So, that land in the back is landlocked again. It just doesn't doesn't look like it just doesn't look like they know what they're doing. But, well, we can't answer that for them. That's going to be their problem. Correct. All right. So, let's um I guess in in so far as we can make a non-binding recommendation, can I have a recommendation to the director that she withhold the CO until they uh until the church complies with the fencing requirement? I'll make the recommendation. I'll second it. All All in favor say I. I. All oppose like sign. Duboce made the motion. Braxton. No, don't call me. He wanted to speak. He want Bob Clay second. I'm looking at the uh at the Mr. Chair, we have he wants to speak concerning this. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I live at 111 Chapen Place. Uh Yes, sir. My name is Seth Freeman. Yes, sir. Uh how high can the fence be? 7 ft is the maximum. Cuz that first picture, those windows are facing into my my backyard. So that's the concern I have. Can he build it high enough for so I have privacy and they're not looking in. Seven feet. Seven feet is what it is the maximum height. Isn't that right? Right, madam director without special permission. Mhm. That's it. And that would be if you had a house there next door, another house over there, Seth. I mean it's just 7 ft. I mean it's that's been the rule for 50 years. So he can

and come and ask for permission to to build higher to to build it higher. He can request a van he can request the variance to build higher but that will be his choice. Okay. So but you are correct. He did he did build a fence on the other side of my fence but he has not uh finished the fence on the other side. He'll have to I mean he'll the the commission's made a recommendation to withhold the uh certificate of occupancy. Uh and I have no reason to believe that the director won't do the what the commission has indicated to. So if he wants to start operating that school and we got an expert here when the school start August 6th. So he's got 35 days. I don't know when his school starts. No. Well, but has he built he's built the fence already on behind yours? Yeah. By Merchesen and all that's his back there. How how tall is that? Seven six foot or seven foot or something like that. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Uh we've got this 2.4. This Mr. Modi uh evidently uh we approved it subject we approved his application previously to put in a uh Airbnb subject and contingent to on the uh HTC approval of the situs of two parking spaces. uh they the historic commission simply did not they would only approve one. So I mean I don't know if this is properly before us because it looks like it would be an application for a variance of one of the two because

that wasn't the that wasn't what the application had, was it? No, it didn't have any of that. So, I mean, I think it needs to be renoticed, but I mean, y'all tell me what you think. What do you think about it, director? So, the original application was for a short-term rental, right? Okay. But we said that we approved a short-term rental if the HDC approved or we we required two parking spaces for it to be a short-term rental, but we then had to have approval from HDC. HDC only approved one. his application did not have a request for any parking whatsoever. So, as the chairman is stating, I think we may have to request that they submit another application requiring a variant of the one parking space. I I just don't, you know, I realize that down there that that's not uh I mean, everybody's parking on the street there and on Cyprus. I mean, it's just horrible. Poet, all that. Uh, poet and Elen. I mean, it's it's something we got to deal with. And I mean, I think at least we got one parking spot, but I I think we need to I think the public needs to be in here and has their input. I'm sure they're not going to like it, but it at what point in time I mean, before this, he had no on no on on street park off streetet parking. Did he? No. So, I mean, I I don't know if that's not half half as much as we want, but but double what we have. So, I think I think we just I think we need to notice it out for next meeting unless somebody's got an objection. I think the public needs to come in. Do we need a motion or is this this really just old business? It's just old business. Yeah, we don't really have to do anything since we're not taking anything. Bonnie, you'll take care of getting a hold of uh

of Mr. Modi and trying to get he and his realtor over here to talk to us. Uh somebody call Mr. Braxton and he'll take Chad. We've talked to Well, we haven't called him tonight. Okay. Well, I'll take we'll take Chance up now. I mean, there's no sense in calling unless you're not here for Calvin Braxton's application, are you? I didn't think so. So, ain't no reason for me to call it. We'll we'll call uh his application up and then we'll talk about what we're going to do about it since nobody's here. Um uh new business 3.2 the application by our tune and Leslie Rainey to subdivide the following a survey of 0.865 acres being lot 9A of a re subdivision of the replat of number two of country club acres located in irregular sections 10 and 13. I assume that's township 9 north range 7 west Louisiana principal Meridian northwestern district Nagish parish city of Nakish lots on pin uh drive it's to actually reverse subdivide combine combine two lots into one to build a single family home exhibit number two in commissioner's packet council proposal district number four summary by the director and any responses to notices we have not had any response by the notices that well actually because this was a subdivision that's true we didn't have to send out any notices okay that's true so what the Rams are planning to do is combine lots 9 8 and seven for residential development if you look at the map I think you have your maps in front of you can see that the smallest lot seven is not even a full lot right um once they I mean each lot except for lot 7 is over the 7200 square ft so once they combine their have more than enough room for any type of residential development. So, all

they're doing is combining those lots to do a single family construction. Did they do some kind of Did they showing on here lot seven? Did they cut some Did they do something with the street or something like that? I'm assuming so. I'm not really sure what happened with that corner lot unless Mr. Ramian, do you have I mean, I don't have a I'm not sure what happened with that lot. Seven. Yes. On the uh the state that was came in through and cut the came in there came in and took the rightway for the for the state and then there's a highline right away right there that divides that property that sliced up seven and most of eight. So really eight by itself is unusable. It's still too small. Lot seven is just a little pie slice and a lot only a full lot is lot nine. Nine. So if we combine nine and eight and if we was our house the dumb side I want to I want to go across the property line from between eight and nine and cover those two. So and you're taking seven too, right? Seven. Yes. Just a little slice. Yeah. What's left of it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's just barely anything. So Mr. Raymond, go ahead and by yourself. My name is uh Chad Ramian, better known as Artune Ramian. All right. Uh, and so no response from any of this advertisement, anything. All right. Any questions from Mr. Raining? Seems fairly straightforward. Uh, seeing no opposition. Is there discussion by commission members? I move we approve. Motion by D to approve. Second by Clayurn. All in favor say I. I. All oppose like sign. All right. So Chad, 11 days from today, it'll be final if nobody takes an appeal. Yes, sir. So what'll happen is I'll sign the plat today. We we've got a myar. No, we don't have the myar yet. Get us a

myar this week if you can. Okay. It'll be probably be Monday. We're leaving on vacation first thing in the morning. We'll return till Monday. When is when is y'all staff? It's on Tuesday. It is on Tuesday. So what happens is there's a bunch of other people that have to sign. Correct. So you get her to you sign it, you and Leslie sign it and get it to her on Monday. She'll take it to staff meeting. Everybody's here. Yes, sir. For the city departments, so she's able to get all those signatures in one fell swoop. Otherwise, you're going to have to carry department to department. So it really behooves you. And of course, I'm over there, correct, a block away. So it doesn't really matter when if I'm the last one, I walk down inside. I can get the I guess it would be the the survey company would plastic survey the myar of the survey and then you'll take it when all the signatures are on it they have a blue or red seal you'll take it up to Mr. Stany pay for recording and bring the certified copy back to her for her records. Sure. We can handle it. Any questions Chad? That's it. Thank you for your patience. Thank you'all very much. You have a good evening. You too. So, it doesn't look like Mr. Braxton is here. Uh, I'll go ahead and read the application. Application 3.1 Calvin Braxton Lots on South Drive. Application by Calvin Braxton. Subdivide the following location. a resubdivision of track and I guess that's 2A of a survey showing three tracks located in the city of Nagish in section 70 and 71 township 9 north range 7 west Louisiana principal Meridian the northwestern district Nagash parish Louisiana south drive the reason is to sell the property council person district number two district uh uh number one in your packet madam director would you tell us this was something of an oversight when they when they sold Yes, a trailer bar. When they

sold off the trailer site, it was bad oversight on the purchasers behalf right behind the Orkin building. There's a little patch where trailer situated. They didn't sell that piece to the new owners of the But everybody thought they did. They thought they did. So now Calvin is charging them to buy that piece. [Music] Not well. Normally we don't surprises to me. We don't do anything if an applicant is not here. Uh have you heard anything from anybody about Well, I heard from the the seller and the buyer, but for whatever reason, neither one of them showed up. And from my understanding, it's supposed to been an urgent matter. So, I'm I'm assuming that the trailer park is being sold to another company. I got you. This is a title issue. I think you just need Our our normal policy is not to do it because if they you know we all show up and they're the ones who are making money or paying money, you think they'd do it. But I I without setting a precedent, I'll entertain discussions about whether we whether we ought to stick to our guns and make sure somebody's here or should we I think we don't we don't know if they made another plan. Is that the general consensus? We need to stick with our All right. So, so can I have a motion to table? I'll make the motion to table. Motion by uh Dub Boyce, second by Johnson. All in favor say I. I. All right. You're right. That's fine. I mean, I I you um and even if I got the time wrong, it's 5:43. You know, even though it was 5:30. Um 4.1 discussion of office activities. Well, there are several things that I

want to discuss with us. I know we've said time and time again that the planning commission should be more active. So, I am putting a challenge out there. There are several things that we can do for our city. One of the things that we that I see as I ride around town is this accumulation of refrigerators and junk cars and things of that nature. Mhm. However, a lot of that is under our criminal code, but we as a planning commission can make a recommendation to have those ordinances updated or changed. I've done research to try to find what other municipalities are doing. And the only thing that I found so far is that the ordinances state that as long as a refrigerator that the handles are removed that they can store them wherever. There is no limit to how many refrigerators are defreezing. law that the door has to be off. Correct. It's it's a child endangerment law. Correct. But there isn't anything that says that a property owner should not store refrigerator or a washer and dryer or any type of appliance on the property. It doesn't state that you can't do it. It doesn't tell you how many you can do. So, we as a planning commission, I am coming up with a challenge to challenge you guys to come up with something that we can put in place to address this accumulation of appliances throughout our city. Okay? Because I mean, if you ride up and down the west side of town, just about any little alleyway you go through, you'll see accumulation. Even on Texas Street, you have washers and dryers piled up on a uh trailer. or if you go down Anita Street, you'll see a whole yard full of appliances. So, we need to come up with some type of ordinance that has a little bit more meat for us to be able to say, "Hey, if you do this, you're going to be fine. We'll send you a notice." And then that way we can do what we need to do to make sure these things are cleaned up.

Well, you know, this one of the things I've always tried to tried to do, but I don't think I've done it with Mayor Williams the last two administrations. You know, things like our sign our sign ordinance. I've always uh taken the position that the city needs to pass an ordinance declaring those contraband. If they're erected in contravention to our sign ordinance, then they're contraband. And the distinction is if something is contraband, you have no right in contraband. And so what I was always worried about was one of our people going onto somebody's property and picking a sign up and then saying, "Well, you're trespassing." Well, one thing that I did find about the sign ordinance though is that if someone has a sign in their yard, I saw something where, and I might be misquing this, so don't do it right. where they had to have permission from the planning and zoning office before they can place the sign. I was always under the impression if it was a good or service being uh being delivered or rendered on the property that it could be up there for a reasonable period of time like correct Axame Air or Rutled Plumbing or something like that but it can't be a permanent advertisement. Right. But, you know, and and but I just use that as an example is that, you know, we could take the position if the city council's willing to back us up is that if you've got more than three junk appliances, you're you're running a junkyard and declare them contraband, send somebody over there to pick them up. Okay? And I mean, you know, we'd have to, you know, one of the things is is you got to have discretion on doing what you're doing. Uh, you can't you can't be waiting for somebody to violate this law. You've got to got to try to send a couple letters before you send the guys out there with the blackhead. Correct. Correct. Let's

Why don't we all try to put our thinking caps on and why don't you put it on the agenda for next time and we'll talk about it. Okay. Next time. One other ordinance that I was presented with was a tiny home ordinance. Was a what? A tiny home ordinance. We have allowed the placement of tiny homes throughout the city. However, there's a push, I think, that's coming for a tiny home subdivision or a tiny home development area. And I would like your feedback and not what you think on what our requirements should be. Should we just take what the uh international building code suggest the minimum requirements should be or should we come up with our own requirements on what we think a actual subdivision development should be and where should it be located? You know, one of the things I problems I got with tiny homes is the problem I've got with all of our stuff now. This stuff is written in the 60s and you know you had all you got to do is look at Bailey Heights and the stuff across from Weaver. They were all built at the same time right after World War II. Little frame houses thousand square feet. You right after World War II, gasoline powered lawnmowers didn't exist. You know, you had these veterans that would have one car. Now you can book that. Uh if you got a couple living together, they're each going to have a car and every child above 15 or 16's going to have a car. So all of a sudden, you know, parking 12 with car, right? Yeah. But I think times are reversing now. There's a big push on tiny homes to where the the place that they're live is their home. But we need to make a judgment. Will they be standardized? Will I mean, will they be stationary? Will they going to stay put? But we allow them to move. Yeah. What what trail? What what would be like the u lot size? That's what I'm That's what I'm saying. That's something that we

need to only all them have to be 500 square ft and just boom boom boom and have 14 million of them in a little You know what I'm saying? That's that's that's stuff that we need to discuss because right now minimum lot size is 7200 square feet and that's not much. That's not much of a lot. That's not much of a lot. But you don't want to put a 400 ft tiny home on a 72 foot lot and then call it that. Especially if you're going to do a subdivision. You know, you need to look at some of these little lots that we have. If someone has a lot that you can divide up into what 7,200 divided by four, what is that going to give you? You know, you might be able to put four tiny homes on a lot. Well, we had that situ redoing those small substandard lights there, but he's building on existing homes that were there. So, they were not uh brought down to the stubs entirely to the but they he rebuilt and renovated based upon what was previously there. We need to look outside the box and look at have there ever been anything built on this land before and if so, what did it look like? But then in turn decide on what we want it to look like. What would the rules be? Will it be rental property? Will it be property that's for sale? I mean, it's a lot of detail that have to go into, right? Cuz we don't want it to be we have a subdivision. You got a bunch of stick homes and you got a bunch of people living there that, you know, not want to make it. Look at Sydney. Look at Sydney. That house is probably 60 years old and doesn't have doesn't have, you know, if it gets approved next time, it's going to have one parking spot. Well, you know, for an Airbnb, you're going to need at least that. Are they going to park on the street? And then, of course, you know, how many streets do we have around here that actually can support on street parking? Because to support on street parking, you probably need 47T foot width to have

parking on both sides and a a passageway of 27 ft, which is what our standard street size is. You don't have many of those. And it's already a problem when you have somebody parking on the street and you got a stop sign right here. You can't see around that car because it's on parked on the street. Is that something that we could address? You said you got to weigh in for emergency vehicles. Mhm. You got to weigh all that. That's Yeah, because and then land in general where this where this landing going on be much left. You know what I'm saying? And then while down St. Mary's, you got that land in there. But then again, now you're talking about the road with again you going to put But I think there's something in place right now to actually better than to to upgrade St. Maris. That's something I heard that I haven't had in stone yet, but I think there is a grant or something that's been pushed. I begged the last administration to do that, you know, but evidently evidently a ballpark was more important. H if they just uh like St. Ree fill in the ditches and make the drainage and then you could wind your you make it 27 ft. I curb to curb. I mean on trash day and that would really open up. You got to try to go around. That would really open up. That would really open up the possibilities for that land down there. Mhm. Even Fifth Street on trash debt. Right. That's a big chore there. Then that's a big thing to make sure we get make sure we hit all the Yeah. I mean, if there's something that you see in naggage that you think we need to address, please bring it before us. Okay. And that's my mandate to you guys as a planning commission. I mean, it's our responsibility to adhere to whatever planning and zoning rules that we have, but as a commission, if we see things that need to be addressed, we can present them. We can come up with ordinances and present them for our

city. So, that's my mandate for our planning commission. All right. So, our next meeting is August the 5th. Yes, sir. We got anything looking like it's coming our way? I mean, I realize we got another 14 days before closes. So, it's really kind of odd to ask you on the first, but you know, when it's the eighth, we pretty much know for the seventh, we know what's coming. I have not really had any I mean, just past applications, we had the savas that were supposed to come back for us for the fence. They didn't present anything to us. They didn't show up for the last meeting. They didn't show up for this meeting. Um, other than that, everything else is administratively handled. Most of the property is already zoned. So, the only other thing that we're really working on is uh code enforcement, condemnation, property maintenance, and things of that nature. Do you have a code enforcement officer? Yeah, Miss Nicole. Oh, that's what Nicole does? Yes. You got to put the boots on the ground. She can do it now. All right. If we have nothing else, Mr. Clayton. Make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Second by Dy. All in favor say I. I. All those side.