Metropolitan Council - Regular Meeting

Okay. So, uh, welcome. This is the second meeting about traffic-intensive measures for Hothills Road. Uh, our first meeting was a little more than a month ago in the library at Edmondson Pike. This is the second meeting. During the first meeting we discussed the current concept that was proposed for the street. We have taken the feedback we received from you and are going to make a design concept in place. That is what we are going to discuss tonight. There was a question before we started recording the meeting about where we are in the process. The first neighborhood meeting was announced via a similar type of email as this meeting, namely via view cards. So all owners of the street should have received a view card to announce the first meeting. But?

We both did not receive anything for this meeting and she did not receive anything for this one either. So I don't think there was any good representation. Because even the neighbors on the other side of me didn't say anything about it and it's not a huge area. So I was just curious. How did it get so far without actually having a meeting?

I didn't know anything about the first meeting.

Look, no one knew about it. Yes.

I also didn't know anything about the first meeting. Okay. Do you all live on Hothills Road? Ja, en wonen jullie tussen Cup Road en Holt Road of aan de andere kant van Cup Road? Tussen.

Ik woon op nummer 143 en 139. Ik woon op nummer 120.

Okay. Okay. Well, I know that there were people present at the first meeting and there were a few of them. I know that there was advertising made via the VVE, but I also know that a few neighbors who have become members have not received the email. So I don't know if something has been lost in the mail or what has happened. EHM?

I can say something.

Too bad you couldn't be at the first meeting.

Can you understand me?

Yes, Virginia, I can understand you.

I mean, I can say that if you were a member of the Holt Woods HOA and you lived on Holt Hills Road within the Holt Woods HOA, we sent a few emails about that first meeting. So if you are on our list and have an email address from the HOA, then we tried to fill in the letters they sent with a few emails. So, EHM, I understand. We did everything we could to ensure that everyone was aware of the meetings.

Yes, thank you for that. And I would also like to emphasize that no decisions have been made yet. EHM, we had a second meeting and I will immediately have a flow chart that shows how the process works. De eerste vergadering was in het algemeen, ik denk dat ik wil zeggen dat je geen informatie mist. Misschien heb je de eerste kans gemist om input te geven, maar deze vergadering vanavond is er nog steeds om input te geven over het ontwerp zoals het er nu uitziet en om je feedback te krijgen naarmate we verder komen in het proces. Dus, EHM, sorry, dit is de eerste vergadering, maar hopelijk kunnen we je vanavond wat nuttige informatie geven. Mag ik even onderbreken? Ja. If you're dealing with that block between Hope Road and Kabul, I believe that 40% of the people in that block don't live in Oakwoods. That's why we wouldn't be a member of the VVE. We wouldn't be put on the list. Yes, yes, I understand what you mean. Only half of the project area is within the VVE. That's right. Alle eigenaren van panden langs de straat hadden een uitnodiging moeten ontvangen voor de eerste en ook voor deze vergadering. Die hebben we niet gekregen. Okay, we did get this one. Not the first one. You did? You did get him for this one? Yes, I got two. I got one that said the meeting would take place in the library and I sent Mike an email to remind him that the library would be closed during this meeting. A few days later I got a second one that said only a virtual meeting and a telephone participation were possible. Yes, yes, that's right. We have sent two emails for this meeting. One in which the possibility of physical presence was announced, but by discussion we found that the library would indeed not be available and would be closed. So we turned it into a virtual meeting. I am glad that you have received both emails. It is a pity that you did not receive the first email for the first meeting. EHM, as I said, there have been no decisions made and this is the second meeting. We are going to present our plans and we are open for your feedback, just like for everyone's. We are happy to be here and hope to have a productive discussion. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to start now. As I said, I have a few slides that I'm going to show you. I'll try to round it off as quickly as possible and then we can discuss the proposed design concept as it stands now. So that's where I start. This is the second neighborhood meeting for Holthills Road. Let's go to my presentation. Okay. What is traffic braking? In the context of the Nashville program for traffic braking in residential areas, we focus on residential streets, such as Holthills Road. So it's mainly about residential streets. EHM, the Safe System Approach, so if we take a broader look at the different approaches that we handle when it comes to traffic safety. The Safe System Approach was adopted by the US Ministry of Transport in the late 2010s. As you can see here, it consists of five parts, including safer speeds, which is one of the most important elements. The traffic braking program here at NDOT applies to many elements of the safe system approach, but mainly to safer speeds. This applies to Vision. Zero, a plan that has been adopted by municipalities throughout the country. In essence, it is a combination of NDOT and Metro to eliminate or significantly reduce the number of people involved in serious accidents or fatal accidents on our streets and roads. You can see how speed plays a role here. The speed of vehicles plays a role here, as can be seen in the graphic below the page. EHM, so as the speed increases, there is a direct connection between high speeds and the seriousness or even the possible fatality of a collision, especially for people who are outside the vehicle. Something about the program itself. This is a program with a high demand. We get a lot of requests. It actually comes down to the fact that a group of neighborhood residents or a VVE comes together to request a project. We have more than 650 streets that apply for this project. We look at those requests almost every spring and every fall. Then we use a data-driven process, in which we include, among other things, speed and traffic data, as well as other factors such as accident history and nearby destinations. There is a formula used that weighs these factors in different ways, but mainly weighs the speed and the number of motorists on the street. From those requests we select the 25 streets with the most chances of success. So there is Hothills Road. It is one of the 25 streets that we looked at last spring. This street, together with 24 other streets, is now going through the same process as you. You can read more about it on the right side. If you go to trafficcoming.nashville.gov, you can see the traffic brake tracker. There you can see a fragment of all the different traffic brake projects that are part of this program in Davidson County and at what stage they are. De rijkwijde van het verkeersremmingsprogramma is, ik zou zeggen, dat we veel kunnen doen, maar niet alles. Dus EHM, voor zaken zoals trottoirs of verkeerslichten, of alles wat u als een probleem op uw straat ziet, EHM dat we niet kunnen oplossen met de verkeersremmende maatregelen van het verkeersremmingsprogramma, wil ik u graag wijzen op Hub Nashville. EHM, als u er nog niet eerder bent geweest, is het een erg goede bron om contact op te nemen met Metro. EHM, EHM, ja, ik raad u zeker aan om Hub Nashville te bezoeken. Okay. This is the location map of the project we're talking about. It's about Holthills Road between Holt Road and Cobble Street. Um, you see that it starts at Cobble Street in the north. There are a few side streets that lead to dead-ending roads at Holthills Place and Holthills Court. And then to the intersection with stops at Holt and Holt Road. So... During the first meeting we discussed a temporary concept, EHM, on which we received feedback. OEM, it was mainly a design based on a speed threshold. EHM, we took that feedback and the feedback we received during the first meeting in July, used to refine the design. The next few slides show general examples of the traffic-intensive measures that you will see later in this presentation on the street. Speed bumps are modular rubber elements. These temporary rubber elements are about 7.5 cm high and 1.8 m wide and vary in length from about 2.1 to 4.3 m. I think that for this one, I think Carlos, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that we use brakes of 3.2 or 4.3 meters long. These are meant to drive over, not like on a parking lot where you have to drive over traffic jams with 8 kilometers per hour. These are designed to be able to reach speeds of about 32 kilometers per hour. And we want to add this DIA. So, um, this goes without saying. De snelheidsvermindering die we zien. We hebben trouwens wat bijgewerkte gegevens die niet in deze presentatie staan, maar die er wel in zouden moeten staan. Maar het is toch goed om hiernaar te kijken. INDOT heeft gegevens verzameld van voor en na de installatie van snelheidsdrempels. We verzamelen gegevens op alle straten waar dat van toepassing is. We hebben veel goede gegevens van voor de installatie. En vorig jaar hebben we gegevens verzameld van na de installatie van snelheidsdrempels. We can compare the speeds from before and after the installation of the speed bumps. As you can see on the left, the average speed drops from 31 to 22. And the speed drops in the 85th percentile. From 37 to 25. We are the leader of speed bumps because they are proven to be effective in lowering the speed, which is one of the most important goals of this program. We also had it in the first meeting about removing curb edges. In general, you will see a few expansions of the track where we will have the concept later on. The idea is to reduce the space that drivers have on crossings to take turns, so that they can drive slower. We heard a lot about the intersection of Cobble Street and Hillsboro Street during the first meeting, and the problems with drivers driving too fast or not paying attention to the stop lines. We can go even deeper into this later on when we further develop the concept. Okay, a slower, safer berm. We can do this if we have a wide street. When we make the street narrower and add markings, we often create extra space that we can use in a different way. So, although there is a trottoir on this part of Holthills, in any case on the part near Cobblestone Road, there is a part towards Holt Road where there is no trottoir on both sides. As you can see in the concept, we have narrowed the street so that there is enough space for pedestrians. Okay. De volgende dia's tonen de concept ontwerpen. Ik ga die plannen blad voor blad doornemen en dan, nou, hoe zit het hiermee? Ik stop even met praten. Zijn er nog vragen over wat ik tot nu toe heb gedaan?

Ja, ik heb een vraag. Maakt het uit als we ze niet willen? Ik bedoel, is dat al besloten en is dit gewoon wat er gaat gebeuren? Of moet er gestemd worden? Zouden ze niet in elk huis moeten stemmen?

Ja, jazeker.

En niet zomaar een paar mensen die belden, want ik woon hier al 27 jaar, oké. De schoolbus stopt hier niet eens. Er komen hier geen kleine kinderen op straat spelen. Ik heb deze zomer nog nooit een fiets gezien. En um, ik loop, wij lopen elke ochtend. Mijn kleinzoon loopt elke ochtend. En er komen misschien acht of tien mensen in dit gedeelte, want de rest loopt op de stoep. Dus ik snap gewoon niet waarom iemand hier ooit is gaan kijken hoeveel mensen er eigenlijk te hard rijden. Because in my opinion those white things are already terrible, but what they do is create parking along the side of the road. If you go to Bradford Hills and look at how many people park there, it's really bizarre. Yes, so the answer is, and...

I'll go on, sorry.

So, I mean, are we here to discuss it or are you just here to tell us what's going to happen?

Yes. So, and I know that there will be some more information later, but this will first go through a voting procedure, so nothing has been decided yet. The plans that I am going to discuss in a moment are as follows. Design for traffic-intensive measures in the street, EHM. That design will go through a voting procedure that I will explain in a moment.

Okay. On behalf of Holtwoods, we have submitted an application for emergency braking measures because of the excessive driving in our neighborhood, the excessive traffic in our neighborhood and the street races that take place in our neighborhood on that street. We have submitted an application for more than just Holtwoods Road, but that is what we have now. So I think we would like to hear their plan at this moment about what they want to do to help us with this problem on behalf of our entire neighborhood. Yes, I would like that. Even though they are going to make Holtwoods Road traffic jamming. Okay, well, EHM, I think it would be great if we let them present their plan. Okay, I just wanted to know if we just listen to what they are planning, or that the people who actually... No, but everyone, no.

Yes, this is a...

Yes, this is their proposal. Actually, I would...

Sorry, after this.

I just wanted to know at what stage we are.

We first had an agreement with NCDOT to hear their first ideas about what should be done. They took that along and came up with a number of complementary ideas, and we are now listening to the ideas they came up with for this plan. May I ask a question? No, there is nothing definitive yet and everyone who lives on Old Hills Road may vote. May I ask a question? Okay, yes. First of all, there is documentation about those street races between Kabels and Hoop that can be shared. So the data, so the aspect of data collection, so when an application was submitted for traffic braking measures on that street, we went out on it and collected data. That data is collected by in fact placing a tube in the ground and registering the speed data for a day or so. We don't have any specific documentation of that, but we do have documentation of the speeds on the street. And that plays a role in the comparison I mentioned earlier. De hoge snelheden hebben ertoe geleid dat deze weg hier is uitgekozen.

Ik kan je persoonlijk vertellen dat ik mensen donuts heb zien draaien op de kruising van Cobb and Hothills Road, als je alleen maar persoonlijke observaties wilt horen. Ik heb mensen met hoge snelheid donuts zien draaien midden in de middag. Gewoon per minuut. Het is behoorlijk druk op de kruising van Cobb and Hothills Road.

Maar niet op dit gedeelte, dat is...

The whole section is being attacked. So, correct me if I'm wrong, the project starts on the intersection of Cobb Road and Hold Hills Road and runs to Hold Road. On that intersection, Hold Road, Hold Hills Road and Cobb Road, I saw a Dutch Charger playing donuts in the middle of the afternoon. So yes.

That should be very normal for the area that is being affected by this.

Ze draaien donuts op die kruising. Sorry. Ze draaien donuts op die kruising en schuren dan Holt Hills Road af naar Holt Road. Het is dus niet zo dat ze langzaam naar de kruising kruipen, donuts draaien en dan langzaam teruggaan. Ze racen erheen, draaien donuts en racen er weer uit. Op.

Welk tijdstip van de dag zie je dat?

Het is erg luid. Ja. Oké, kunnen we verder gaan en het voorstel aanhoren en dan kunnen we van daaruit verder. Where do you live? Where do you live in this area? May I give my opinion? May I also share some insights?

What do you think of this? Let's move on. I think this is a good time to go through the concepts so that everyone is better informed and has an idea of what we are talking about. The next few slides show the design drawings that are now in concept form. The project starts at Cobble Street. It is located on Holt Hills Road. North points to the left here. Cobble Street runs through to Holt Road. As part of this project, we propose two extensions. An extension at Cobble Street and an extension at Holt Road. In between, three equally distributed speed bumps. These have a standard distance based on the specified maximum speed of the road. This is what it looks like. Here is the first half of the project. This runs from Cobble Street to the other side of Holt Hills Road. You can see where that broken-down terrain, or the larger plot, is located. Oops, something I forgot to mention. The berm runs from Holt Hills Place to Holt Road. So, from Holt Hills Place to Holt Road runs the sidewalk from Holt Hills Place to Cobble Street. Here is the widening at Cobble Street. We have a detail drawing of it that shows it a little better. And then the first set of bumps, because the street is so wide, we have a configuration with four bumps here. It looks something like this. Just before Hold Hills Place and further on, the next pass after Hold Hills Court. So here. And then to the next section, there is not much to see. But then a speed bump here. And then another widening at Holt Road. I will show you some more details of what it looks like. From close by, so here is the widening at Cobble Street. So, maintaining those re-markings of the zebra paths. Put the lamp in there. If you move to the right, we have 6 meters between these two lines. We actually narrow down the road. Then you come to the first set of sections. And then you see down here on this image where the trottoir ends and the escape line begins. The road itself does not really change, you still have that 6 meters between the two lines. And then you have a buffer zone here with the markings to create space for pedestrians. En dan is het aan deze kant nog steeds gestreept. We hebben carlos, ben jij dat? Ja. EHM, we verbreden ook de zebrapaden. Ze zijn momenteel 2,4 meter breed en we verbreden ze naar 3 meter breed aan beide kanten. Ja, ja, dank daarvoor.

EHM, dat betekent dus dat we al die kleine witte dingetjes voor mijn huis moeten hebben.

Zoals het nu is voorgesteld, ligt de vluchtstrook aan deze kant van de straat.

That's my house.

And then I'm going to slide a piece of paper down so that we can finish this. So the same configuration continues to run. The escape line runs all the way along the length of the road.

Chase, can you indicate how big the distance between those markings is? Because it's not like on cable, is it? There are some of those creases, but they are shorter. And didn't we talk about shorter markings or something like that last time?

I can't remember that we had it specifically about shorter markings, but I do know that we had it about the distance, and then especially with the protrusions. This is the standard configuration we use. With every traffic braking project when we place a protrusion, and these markings are at a certain distance from each other. Carlos has to help me here, because he has drawn it. How big is the distance between these markings on the flight line, Carlos? 20 feet. They are around 20 feet.

Okay, so that means there are five. Five or six for my house. Nice.

And actually, and we were also talking about not having them on the intersection, because the experience at Bradford Hills wasn't positive.

Very negative even. We're asking for alternatives for that, yes. Up there and at the end, down there, if you come near Nona's Road, they have removed half of it. By driving into that small street. So they are just overtaken and then look like a kind of thorn in the eye. And I agree with it, there is a problem with the zebra paths in Kabul. Ik weet niet of dat gaat helpen, want het probleem is dat mensen niet wachten tot je bent overgestoken. Ze slaan achter je af. Dus het maakt eigenlijk niet uit of je dat hebt, want dat betekent alleen maar dat ze dichter bij je in de buurt komen als ze voordringen. Want dat is wat ze doen, want wij lopen er elke ochtend om tien voor acht. Ik heb een kleinzoon die op bepaalde tijdstippen moet lopen voor zijn eigen gemoedsrust, en het probleem is niet zozeer dat ze te hard rijden, maar dat ze achter je langs willen rijden als je oversteekt.

Is it possible that I just don't?

Yes, I think that in principle they mean that, now that we already have that extra roadside, there is room for people to drive past you and go through the intersection quickly. That is your point, you say that there will be less space.

And that they will drive closer to me because they have less space.

It also offers, so in the part where it is closed off, there is a part where you do not have to stand so much on the road or in the intersection when you cross. That's right, yes, that's a good point, Earl. So it ensures that you do not have to cross so much roadside. So you have the distance you have to cross shortened. This makes you less exposed to those vehicles.

It is a smaller distance for people who suddenly get off and drive behind you while you are still on the zebra path.

Chase, is it possible to have the widening and the escape line without? The flexible crevices? The escape line? I see that they are also at the widening on the intersection. Can you do something like this without those vertical creases? We would like to have those creases because they give a visual indication. What happens if you don't have them? Yes, they can be overrun, but if you don't have them, people just ignore them. But we did talk about it, and something we do, and we talked about, and I think we also discussed this during the first meeting, is the possibility of those speed bumps, like those traffic bumps, right? In contrast to those more vertical ones.

Yes.

EHM, that's right, more vertical. That's what we were talking about, those short, a few centimeters high, small bumpers of about 5 centimeters. Ik weet niet zeker hoe ze precies heten.

Ik denk dat er een afbeelding van was.

H.M. Als voorbeeld. Ja, ik vraag me af of die er nog steeds is.

Als je een paar dia's teruggaat.

Ja, daar.

Een afbeelding.

Ja, zoiets.

Ja, dat zou beter zijn. Die daar, ja.

Ja. Ja. Ja, ik denk dat we dat zeker kunnen doen. Again, I think that we see the off-roading as standard, especially in areas with zebra paths, because the idea with that ball shape is to reduce the space so that people feel less at ease to drive fast through the intersection. And that is the whole idea. And then there are also the off-roading, especially with zebra paths, which make drivers extra attentive to the presence of, for example, hey, there could be someone here. So that's usually the reason why we want detours, especially in areas with zebra paths.

Yes, what do they actually do when they look at you? I don't think detours are better than an agent standing there. And it's not to drive too fast, but they just don't stop at the red sign to wait for you to pass. Well, Jason, as we just discussed, it came into question during our first meeting, those clashes on the intersection. As I said, everyone in the neighborhood who has driven through Bradford Hills has an absolute disgust. They distract. They actually make it difficult for you. People then drive past the place where they should stop and even continue on the intersection to the openings. So, I mean, it just doesn't work well in Bradford Hills.

Yes, yes.

It's really the one problem for replacing the other. So, how much? And, you know what? And another thing, Chase, sorry, my husband just reminded me of it. We literally had several fire trucks through our neighborhood and through that intersection this afternoon. En als we al die afbakkeningen daar neerzetten, weet ik niet of ze die bocht wel goed kunnen nemen. Er was vanmiddag een grote brand bij Redmond en ik denk dat dat nog een probleem is met al die palen op elke hoek en op die kruising.

En er is gesproken over... Ja, ja, tijdens...

De laatste bijeenkomst in de bibliotheek was er gesproken over iets minder ingrijpend, zoals die minirotonde die besproken werd. Is dat van de baan?

Ja, we hebben dus gekeken naar de minirotonde op dit kruispunt. Het probleem daarmee zijn de huidige zebrapaden. If you would place a mini-rotonde here, you would not be able to keep the zebra paths in the same place, given the current layout. Normally you see these zebra paths, these slopes, lying further back. They would end up here or there. So to keep the zebra paths and not have to do any extra concrete work, I wrote down the rotonde.

That's a shame.

More. Something to mark for safety. If there are no markings on the berm, it will probably be taken in by cars that think they can be parked there.

There are already a few, but they are already parked in Beverly Hills. So I don't know if it matters much. That's right. There is a house on the corner of Kyle Hill and Bradford Hills. They use the markings there as a protected parking space. I don't know if we have so many problems with that. I mean, for the safe berm, for the extended trottoir, it's mainly about the high concentration of those markings on the intersection. They are blinding at night. When you drive through those crossings at Bradford at night, you see reflectors everywhere. They are blinding because there are so many of them in such a small space. And as I said, people don't stop at the stop sign where they should stop. They drive all the way up the crossing to the stop signs. That makes it very tight if someone wants to stop now. It's just not very functional. I think it's dangerous on the intersection. Not the wide berm, I'm talking about the intersection.

Last week I had to drive backwards. A UPS truck came to drive, which wanted to turn towards me. To make him make the turn, I had to look in my rearview mirror to check if no one was driving behind me and drive backwards so that the UPS truck could make his turn. Okay. No, I think we hear that loud and clear at the intersection. I think there are certainly other options, such as traffic jams that could be placed in this remote area. So we can certainly look at that. And imagine that. As for the flight path and the distance between it, 20 feet is handy for cars to maneuver between. So we could do a few things with the problem of parking on the flight path. One of them is to reduce the distance between the markings. Ehm, two things, and I don't have a picture of it, but I'm thinking of something like a modular, rubber curb that would come between the crevices. to keep people from parking there. So those are two things we could consider when it comes to parking and a safe berm. What do you think of that?

I will talk about the safe berm. We live on this part of Hothills Road, where we have to cross the road and then walk a few houses further to get to the stoop. And to come back to what I said earlier, I don't see any children outside, we have two small children. Our neighbor has a small child. The neighbor next door has two small children. Our neighbor behind us also has two small children. So we live right on the corner of Holt Hills Road and Holt Hills Court, and there are five or six houses here with small children. We don't often go cycling because it's really scary and dangerous to cross the street. So, ehm, I'm not that enthusiastic about the idea of ​​the speed bumps, because I think we would be outside more often and would play in our front yard more often. EHM, ik weet niet of ik een mening heb over de markeringen op het veilige trottoir of hoe het ook heet. EHM, ik vind het persoonlijk geen groot probleem dat mensen op straat parkeren. Sommige mensen moeten op straat parkeren omdat hun auto's niet hoog genoeg zijn om steile opritten op te komen. Dat lijkt me geen groot probleem. Het gaat me vooral om het snelle verkeer. Furthermore, I would like to say that our road is not asphalted again. A part of the neighborhood does, but we don't, and we don't have road markings. The only road markings we have are at the zebra paths and, as you already said, they are quite blurred. So even if we had clear lines on the road, even if we didn't. Thank you for that feedback, that's all logical. So, is there someone who is a strong supporter of the safe berm?

Because to get back to your point I was just talking about, EHM, whether the safe beam is there now or not, we would suggest marking that side. The line would look like this. EHM, that is a valid point. I mean, if there is no support for the safe beam, EHM, then in fact we want to make sure that we do not sacrifice buffers for the safe beam if there is opposition.

Well, I agree with that.

And I am strongly against it.

One of those people who walks in the morning, or with my grandson or his mother, does that. We have to walk where there is no sidewalk and people keep a distance from us. There is never a problem until we get to the sidewalk, that starts right after my sister-in-law's house. So with those markings people might notice it. But as I said, they do take care of us. They see you. I walk with two dogs and children and everything, and they just stand by and watch. So I don't think the markings would be much better than just the painted lines. And as I said, we don't normally have problems with people who don't pay attention. EHM En u zegt dat er drie verkeersdrempels zijn, drie verschillende plekken. Is dat normaal op zo'n korte afstand?

Ja. Ja, ze staan meestal zo'n 90 meter uit elkaar.

Oké.

Ik probeer te kijken of ik een afbeelding in de chat kan plaatsen. Is er een manier om een afbeelding te plaatsen? Uh, that should be possible. Let's have a look. I went to Google Maps and looked. I know that San Marcos has a berm like you mean.

Yes.

And they don't use vertical markings, but low rubber bumpers.

Ja, heb je gezien hoeveel daarvan er nu ontbreken?

Maar niet op San Marcos. Dat is een andere plek.

Nee, op San Marcos, waar je de hoek omgaat en langs Songwriters Court komt. Eh, Cranberry Station. Ja, daar bij Cranberry. Ja, ja, die ontbreken. Ik weet niet hoeveel van die dingen scheef staan en ontbreken.

Oké. But yes, it's been there for a while and I know it's the right way. A flight line and some safety without those white arrows. So, coming back to my screen was covered because I was presenting the slides, but I'm looking around now and I see that we have a lot of people in the queue. Is there someone we haven't heard of yet and who wants to say something? I wondered if in the neighborhood, if you turn left from Holthills to Holt Road and drive towards Nolensville Road, the last neighborhood you come across, there are traffic jams. That run all over the street instead of those detours? It's just a question. Ja, ik weet niet precies wat daar is. Ik kan wel even kijken. Hier op de achtergrond.

Ik denk dat we geen stoepuitstulpingen op de weg moeten aanleggen. Er lopen daar niet veel voetgangers. En ik denk dat het ook problemen kan opleveren om snel de weg op te komen als er verkeer met 60 km per uur aankomt. Dus ik weet niet of het zinvol is om ze daar aan te leggen.

Daar, Ben. Ik het mee eens, want dat zou een krappe bocht zijn. Je zou bijna moeten stoppen om af te slaan.

Ja. De meeste voetgangers stoppen al voordat je dat punt bereikt. Dus het is niet zo dat we daar niet hoeven over te steken.

Ja, ja, dat is een goed punt. As far as the stoop from Stulping at Holt Hill Road or Holt Road and Holt Hills is concerned, I mean, yes, it makes crossing shorter for pedestrians, but your point that there are not many pedestrians there is correct. But it also serves the purpose of braking people off before they go up the street. It creates, as it were, the expectation that this is a street where you are not allowed to drive too fast, that kind of thing. So that's it. And there is currently a lot of extra traffic. So that's probably a good thing.

Chase, is that lamp you have there good? Are they just lines? Are the markings also included? I mean, are they just the markings?

I think we would extend it to the traffic bumps we were just talking about.

I wouldn't do that either. I think that painting lines might be useful as a visual guide, but I wouldn't put anything down because I agree with it. There is not much pedestrian traffic on that intersection and I think that will make it difficult for people who want to leave the neighborhood. So yes. Die plek daar, ik denk niet dat het zo'n groot probleem is geweest. Daar ben ik het mee eens en ik ben het er mee eens. Ja, dat is gevaarlijk. Want als je hooprood afrijdt, komen er soms mensen vlak achter je aan en toeteren als je niet afslaat. En als er iemand staat te wachten en je moet bijna stoppen om tussen die afbakkeningen door te komen, dan wet ik dat je daar een aanrijding van achteren krijgt.

Yes. And there was an accident there, because my terrain runs completely through and there was an accident last week. Someone was driving behind someone because apparently they didn't look down and tried to drive up Holt Road and they were driven there on the intersection from behind. So I looked a little further down. I think that's logical. And if we're talking about, and I want to come back to the question about the flight route, then I also hear general. Take care of the flight route in relation to parking and the markings. I hear, for example, that the widening at Cobblestone Street is replaced by traffic bumps instead of markings and that the widening at Holt Road is removed. So, I want to ask the question, is there someone who is strongly opposed to keeping one of those things? So, the... flight line, is there someone in this conversation who would object to it if the flight line is removed and replaced by a kind of straight line like on the other side?

My only question is...

Do you mark the road line as a flight line, but then without the markings? I would say that it would just be marked as it is now. So just a single line. Because I mean, I think the point is, if the markings are not there, then it will actually become a parking line. So I think we could add more with the markings, you know, reduce the distance between the markings, add a bump, like a rubber bump or something like that, to strengthen that space. If someone is really against it, but I don't think so.

The stripes on themselves would be sufficiently scary and you would feel like you could walk without them. De problemen met de markeringen. Het zou je ook wat onderhoudskosten besparen. Kun je dat iets meer uitleggen? Je noemde een rubberen stoeprand. Wat is dat precies?

Ja, helaas heb ik er geen foto van, maar het zijn er in principe van.

Those hard, black things of about 25 to 30 centimeters that stand straight. Yes, it's something like that at San Marcos, I think.

A slope where you can drive over and it runs from one end to the other. There is a piece of about 30 centimeters wide and 15 centimeters high and it is a rubber slope. Is it like on Hill Road?

Ik denk dat hij San Marcos bedoelt, daar bij Songwriters. Waar ze de heuvel opkomen, richting Granbury, via Hill Road.

Ik heb het opgegeven naar Hill, maar ik weet het niet zeker. Oké.

And the alignment then, if we are going to apply alignment, I mean, just a line, is there another option than a single white line? I mean, that's what they have on Bradburn at Hills. Only a few white lines and I don't know if that's really a good visual signal. Could it be a double white line or something like that? I mean, just something that gives a clearer visual indication that there is no parking space.

Virginia, do you think of something comparable to the lines on a cross?

Yes, maybe. Something like that. That could, for example, indicate that you are not allowed to park there.

Yes, I have to think about that for a moment.

Because a single white line fades quite quickly and is then no longer so useful.

The stripes we apply are made of thermoplastic material. It is plastic, so no paint. Hopefully it will last longer. If it was not a safe berm, where the markings and the curb normally provide for, then we would normally use the 10 cm wide white line that you see here. That line would block the track. EHM, it would be smaller than now. EHM, the lines would be about 6 meters wide. So you would have 3 by 3 meters in each direction, filled with the bumps. I think that's... A traffic braking design is where we would feel good and something we have done before. Even coming back to the question about Holt Road in the area to the right of Nolesville Road. I think you mean Redman Lane and there are speed bumps there. So there are speed bumps on that street. Yes, I was talking about the area to the left of Nolesville Road, but that's okay. Those are traffic bumps there.

Fields. Brookfield, and they have also laid the lower threshold there, especially when the road was closed and you could not get in and out. Oh, you mean on Holt Road?

Yes. Okay. I don't know if they have been removed, right? They have been removed. Okay, I don't see it on Brokeview Forest, but maybe the images are just outdated. Carlos, I don't know if you see it. But if...

If I may, I wonder if the question being asked is why speed bumps instead of traffic bumps? Like the ones on Holt Road, you know, which were widened. What is the difference between those two and why one above the other?

Ja, ik denk dat ik probeer te begrijpen wat het alternatief is waar we het over hebben. Dus, loopt het helemaal over de weg? Was het asfalt? Eh?

Nee.

Het was asfalt waar ze, ja, ze moesten het weghalen. Het was asfalt en het was niet alsof je een grote rubberen bult neerlegt. Het was asfalt. Het was iets minder belastend voor de auto, maar het vertraagde je nog steeds. Yes. And I think we were talking about placing the speed bumps longer, or not so much longer, but longer. So, um, a bump of 4.2 meters, 14 feet, that is the longest we place in this way to make it a little easier. But in general, we use quick-place materials for the traffic braking program. So these are the same modular, commercially available brakes that we use in the entire region. So that's what we use. Are these rubber brakes? Is it possible to get longer ones? as part of the traffic brake. MDOT this kind of brakes. We consider at this moment no other options. And what does it say before you have to use three sets? Three sets, do you mean three at each location or three in general on the street? Three locations on Hopefield Road. H.M. Yes, that is based on the length of the street and the standard distance, depending on the speed on the street. So, between Cobble Street and Holt Road, based on our standard distance of about 90 meters per cushion, we can lose three. Okay.

The one closest to Holt Road is 90 meters from Holt Road.

I think it's a little less, so if you approach Holt Road, the last one on the street can be the closest to the intersection, in my opinion, about 60 meters. The standard distance between the cushions from a intersection is between 60 and 75 meters, and from the cushions themselves it is about 90 meters. So placing two sets is not a feasible option, is it? Sorry.

Do you think so?

The question was whether we could not just place two sets of brakes. I think that given the length of the street and the perceived need for traffic braking measures, I feel comfortable with a design with three brakes. Is the idea of ​​three brakes to prevent people from building up enough speed so that Does the speed remain low? Yes, in general, we have placed a lot in the past few years and we have found that an interval of 90 meters 300 feet is a good frequency for motorways to keep the speed low.

But do you think that that threshold is so close to Hope Road? When we drive up Hope Road from the right and the traffic threshold is there, do you think that's safe? Or maybe we shouldn't be able to place two thresholds better? Because that's a very small space to look at, because it's not up to Greg's bus.

Ja, als je alleen al naar de schaal kijkt, is het land niet zo dichtbij. Aha, het is meer dan 60 meter. EHM, daar voelen we ons wel prettig bij. EHM, dichterbij komen? Ja, ik denk dat we er best tevreden mee zijn. Ik denk dat het voldoet aan onze normen voor de afstand naast een stopbordkruising. Okay. Are there any other questions? Look here in the chat. Okay. Are there any other questions before we... I think we have had a number of good discussions. I want to close the discussion on the design after we have left these slides. The next slides are about the process and how we proceed. EHM, so one last call for questions. I think we have received a lot of good feedback and we are making notes on how we are going to adapt the design. I mean, what I hear now is that the markings at this exit will be replaced by traffic jams. I think I hear that too. The flight line and the markings such as Hier verwijderd worden. En dat de uitstulping bij Holt Road weggehaald wordt. Is iedereen het daarmee eens?

Ik ben het ermee eens.

Ja. Oké. Oké. Before we move on with the next steps, there are other ideas about the design that someone wants to share. We can carry out those changes. Is there anything else we would like to talk about? I have a procedural question, simply because I was not well informed during the first meeting. But do you have the date of the transfer on this road? Ik geloof het wel, laat ik me niet vergissen. Laat ik even stoppen met delen. Ik zoek die gegevens op. De telling die ik heb is van 2022. Oké. En we hadden 1500 auto's per dag. In 2020, yes, yes, 14, the number I have here is 1464 cars per day and the 85th percentage speed is 37 miles per hour. How is that speed calculated? How is the speed calculated? We have a tube that collects data. When cars drive over it, we can collect data based on how fast the tires hit the ground. So, is it something as tense on the street as a rope? Yes, okay, I'll move on to the next part. Dit is een detailblad. Dit is gewoon meer informatie voor de mensen die het gaan bouwen als het wordt goedgekeurd. This is the process flow scheme. EHM, I start above. The request process, two cycles per year, starts with the selection of the first location. EHM, Hold Hills was selected as part of the selection in the spring of 2026. We had a neighborhood meeting, EHM, where we presented an overview and a concept. After that we had a field assessment. We went into the field, made measurements and refined the concept design to the definitive design you just saw. Now we are at our second neighborhood meeting. The next steps after this meeting are that we use the feedback we received during this meeting to refine the concept design or the definitive design and then place it on the Metro website. More information about this can be found on the following slides. We are going to start an online voting procedure. If the project is approved, it will appear in the queue for construction. More information about the voting can be found on the following two slides. The voting takes place online via... ...voting tickets, as you can see at the top, which are sent to the owners of the buildings in the street. You can clearly see the date of the voting. There is a QR code and a link to the website where you can view the plan. And if you are a house owner in this street, you will receive a unique identification code. You can enter that code to vote. De stemming is zes weken geopend. De datum staat duidelijk vermeld op uw mailing. Het is een simpele ja of nee stem. Of het project wordt goedgekeurd, hangt af van de respons. Als 66% van de respondenten, twee derde, ja stemt, gaat het project verder volgens de plannen die op de website staan. One last piece of information about the atmosphere, here is a screenshot of it. The mailing list that we used for the first and second meeting. If you are a house owner of one of these buildings, you should have received a mail to live in this meeting and you also receive a mail for the atmosphere.

What happens is that my sister, who ... if you see the three big pieces. Zij is degene die het verst wegwoont, dichtbij, waar nog zo'n vier huizen staan die te klein zijn.

Oh, zij is het.

Die in het midden. Dus zij heeft nooit iets gekregen. We kregen niets voor de eerste vergadering, maar wel voor deze. Hoe kunnen we er zeker van zijn dat we allemaal iets krijgen?

Ja. Dus ik raad jullie aan om met jullie buren te praten. We gaan deze plannen de komende weken hier publiceren en daarna kan er gestemd worden. De stemperiode begint over twee tot vier weken. Ergens midden september? Laat ik dat nog eens herhalen. Over vier tot zes weken. Vier tot zes weken, ja, want we moeten de plannen nog afronden, ze op de website plaatsen en dan moeten we nog wat tijd inplannen voor het versturen van de brieven. Dus, komt!

Is there something, I mean, if you share it with us, we will definitely send an email, you know, extra communication to the people within the VVD who live in that street.

Yes, I can definitely let you know. Normally. There is no formal notification process, except that you have to keep an eye on the plans when they are published. And during the time that the plans are published, the voting tickets should be sent.

Okay, but how do people know where they are published?

That's on the voting ticket. So, the mailing contains a link. To where the plans are published and where voting can be done.

Okay. Nog wat?

Meer informatie. Zoals u hier ziet, gaat het alleen om de woningen die direct aan Hope Hills Road liggen en de gebieden van het project. Eigenaren van deze woningen mogen stemmen. Eigenaren van meerdere woningen hebben slechts één stem. Leegstaande panden en bedrijven komen niet in aanmerking. En voor iedereen die dit achteraf online bekijkt, als u deze vergadering bekijkt en denkt, hé, ik heb geen mailing ontvangen. Ik heb geen mailing ontvangen voor de eerste vergadering. Ik heb er geen ontvangen voor de tweede vergadering en ik weet niet zeker of ik er wel een krijg voor het stembiljet. Praat dan alstublieft met uw buren, maar neem ook contact met ons op, want mijn contactgegevens staan aan het einde van deze presentatie. We willen er zeker van zijn dat we u op de mailinglijst zetten, dat u uw stembiljet ontvangt en dat uw stem wordt gehoord. And if necessary, we can send your unique ID, your unique identification code, if you can prove that you live in that street.

So... Chase, may I ask a question? I had a question out of curiosity. H-M, E-H-M? I'm just curious why the people in those dead-ending streets that border Holt Hills Road. Yes, that's a good question. Deadly streets are a bit of a gray area.

But you know, historically, the way the voting process was set up and how we still do it today, focused on the street itself, because those are the people who make the building, the speed bumps, the markings and all that sort of thing for their houses. So that's usually the reason, or historically the reason, why it's only on the ballot boxes that only houses are directly on the street. Chase, going back to what you just said, or with those markings, if you look at the intersection of Kabul and Hope Hills Road, then there are two houses on the left of which that is influenced by the intersection. Can they be taken with them? Yes. Normally, we take a project border with us if a intersection has a project border, even if there is an intersection on the other side of the intersection. The project boundary starts at that intersection and then runs towards the project. So there will be a bit of alignment at the front of that intersection. But this is how we have always tackled this, because at the beginning of a project we do not know whether we will, for example, imagine a widening of the track or something like that. This is how we have set it up to stay consistent. Okay, are there any other questions about the information I just shared, for example about how to proceed? Questions about the mood? Or something else? Do you remember where I can view the slides online? I'm on my phone now and I think you said there was a website where I could view them. The slides of this meeting? Yes. Sorry. Oh no, no problem. Yes, so the recording of this meeting will be posted on the YouTube page of TREE. My email address is on the screen. If you record contact with me and ask for the slides, I will gladly share them with you. These are public data, so my email address, if you can't see it, is just chase, c-h-a-s-e. Als u de chatfunctie hebt, kan ik het daar ook naartoe sturen.

Ja.

Ja. Zo. En om de communicatie gaande te houden, stuur ik die e-mail ook maar door. Aha. Oké. Oké. Wat nog meer? Zijn er nog andere vragen of dingen die jullie willen bespreken voordat we hier afsluiten? Oké. Oké. Ik hoor niets, bedankt voor jullie tijd. Dit is waarom we... These meetings are held so that we can make sure that we serve you as well as possible and that you have something that appeals to you. You will be happy with it, so I really appreciate it. Again, thank you if you watch this afterwards. There is currently an inquiry available. If there is someone in this meeting tonight who has not been able to give his or her opinion or did not feel comfortable with it, then an inquiry is available at trafficcoming.nashville.gov. Go there and give us feedback. Dus, bedankt iedereen. Goedenacht. Dank je wel, dank je wel.