City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Like to call the public hearing meeting of the Muny Common Council to order. If you'll stand with me and join me and my colleagues in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

Okay. Our first order of business will be ordinance 30-25. Ordinance dash Ordinance 30 Hold up. Oh, sorry. You don't want me to say nothing. Sorry. No, I'm not saying anything. Sorry, I was looking at her. Sorry. Yes.

Okay. Ordinance 30-25, an ordinance for appropriations and tax rates proposed 2026 my civil budget. Okay. Is there a motion? [Music] Okay. Just open up for discussion. Anyone here? Anyone here to speak on ordinance 30-25?

Any council members? We're not allowed. Public. Okay, moving on to the I think someone's coming.

Oh, yeah. There's public here. I don't know why they don't want to speak. Rick Enter, newsman and author. Uh when you consider this budget tonight, you might want to remember that you've got more income tax money than you had last year. That means that'll wipe out whatever property tax relief took away from you. So, as I see it, uh I'm not really concerned what you're spending. I'm just concerned about not raising taxes. We've had a a terrific property tax increase just because of assessed values going up over the last 5 years. Many people pay more than 20 25% more just on their homes, their businesses, and their farms. And frankly, they blame government regardless of what you spend or what you do. Uh there is a couple of little items that I want you to remember when you're considering the budget, even though this probably has to do more with the administration that does the council. uh back a few months ago, you approved a uh committee to determine recommendations for opioid settlement money. Now, that committee hadn't met yet, and I would hope that you would get that committee jump started because there's a lot of need for people that have drug and alcohol problems that are homeless. That money needs to be distributed now because you didn't take too much time giving it for public safety raises. And the second thing on edit, I see something tonight that I haven't seen since they built city hall here or the jail out there that uh the administration wants to use a building corporation funded by EDIT. Frankly, I think the hospital and the university need to come up to the uh gate on that project because we've been indebted enough and it should still be used to bring business and industry to this community. It it confounds me to see government use this to operate

government and build public buildings when it needs to be spent on jobs and business and industry. Those just few of things I can think of right now, but hopefully you're not going to raise our taxes. Thank you, Mr. Hi, my name is Sarah Vitali and my comments are mine and do not reflect the views of my employer. Um, but I wanted to um express a little concern about a couple things. Um, one that it's my understanding that the budget that the administration sent in by the deadline was pretty bare bones.

Um, and in fact not what we have before us now. and the rest was submitted as amendments um at a much later date. Um and I think that that is unreasonable um for the administration to do to the city council. And I do know that there's a history in the city of um receiving um negative um audits from the state board of accounts. And so I hope that when um you approve the budget put forth by the administration that the administration um complies with the budget that they've created. So thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else to speak on ordinance 30-25? Okay. Moving on to ordinance 30- 31-25. Ordinance 31-25, an ordinance for appropriations and tax rates proposed 2026, Muny, Indiana transit system budget. Is

there anyone from the audience here to speak on ordinance 31-25? this Rick answer again, newsman and author of Mon. I've been up here countless times uh to talk about public transportation. Sometimes I use it and it looks like it needs to go under a major overhaul because outside of transporting kids from public schools or others, there doesn't seem to be much wrership. And as I've said before, they need to test express or some kind of wrership on Sundays kind of like Bloomington and Lafayette do. Uh I this when this was founded 40 years ago and I remember that they needed a tax base besides the national company that runs this North American transit. They haven't changed the system at all. I think something needs to be done to change the system, make it more accommodating to the people besides have some kind of Sunday service because again uh $10 million and who was it I talked to? somebody out there that said they're like everybody else, they're having problems with bus getting bus drivers and other hired staff. Um, there needs to be some changes because there's a lot of people don't have rides. Uh, can't find a way to go. And what was it the other thing they did lately? Oh, I know. They used to run till 9:00. Now they run at 6. They barely run at all. But it's up to you to decide how much you want to spend on a public transportation system that's kind of fading. Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else to speak on ordinance 31-25. Okay, moving on. Ordinance 32-25. Ordinance 32-25, an ordinance for appropriations and tax rates proposed 2026 Muny Sanitary District budget. Is there anyone here to speak on ordinance 32-25? Seeing there's no one else to entertain a motion to adjourn to 7:5.

Yeah. Do Okay. Motion's made by Councilman Macintosh. Is there a second? to adjurnn. Okay. So, I'll seconded by Councilman Pile. We'll adjourn until 7:00.

and welcome to the September 8th Muny City Common Council meeting. Once again, we'll stand and say the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

Okay. Is there anyone that has discussion on the ordinances that we just a review public public hearing ordinances someone that maybe wasn't here when we done it? We had a conflict in the times. Uh I think the public hearing published in the newspaper stated that the public hearing was proposed for 6:45. Mhm.

And the gateway states it was at 7:00. So at this time we'll allow those who were confused to come up and speak on the ordinances. anyone invocation. Okay.

Uh, hi Council. Uh, Alex Cooper. Um, I guess I have to admit I was confused on the time, but I take responsibility for that. Um, I guess I know, uh, we're all trying to kind of do our best in the challenging financial situation that we're dealing with, um, with the property tax stuff and, uh, I know council and administration, I believe, trying to do best do, uh, do right by the residents of Muny, but, I guess I was just, uh, concerned about the timeliness that the budget for next year is being released by the administration to uh the public. I feel like it was um I understand it was posted exactly uh two weeks before today partly and then partly in the next day. So I guess I just wanted to register my concern with that and um just given that the whole process kind of has to happen relatively quickly. Um I just feel like for the public to get a good understanding of the budget, two weeks is pretty compressed. So, I guess just hoping that, you know, as a city we can uh give the public more more time to kind of digest that. So, uh thanks for taking my comment.

What was your name again? Uh Alex Clubber. Thank you.

Thank you, Alex. Anyone else? Okay, Councilman Green, if you'll uh do the invocation. Okay. So all stand please remove your hats bow your heads for a word of prayer. Precious heavenly father it is with great honor and privilege that we come before thy throne this evening. We thank you dear heavenly father for the elected officials that are here that represent the city of Muny. We ask Lord that you would guide and direct in the task that we have that are set before us. Lord, we know that is a very daunting task. And Lord, we need guidance and direction to make wise and great choices. Lord, we ask that you would help us, dear heavenly father, to do those things tonight that would benefit all members of the society that is here, Lord, in the city of Muny. Guide and direct in Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Amen. Amen. Thank you, Councilman Green. Thank you, a Lord. Oh, there she is. Okay. Citizens recognition this month will be done by Councilman William McIntosh. [Music] Good evening everyone.

Good evening. [Music] for the month of September by the city council. Our citizenship award. We are happy to give this to Tara Gudger, school counselor, advocate for student success, experienced educator. Ara is a dedicated middle school counselor and athletic director with over three decades of experience supporting the academic, social, and emotional growth of students. Currently serving at Muny Muny uh community schools, she utilizes her expertise in restorative justice practices, post be uh positive behavior intervention supports which is PB PBIS and family engagement to create support supportive learning and environment. Her role involves counseling, discipline, assistance, planning athletic events, planning events like family nights, strengthen school community connections. Tyra began her career as a student assistance coordinator at Muny C uh my community schools. I know what she works at, where she gained extensive experience in student advocacy, attendance, coordination, and parent engagement. Her early role her earlier roles include m men mentoring youth in an afterchool program organizing academic and volunteer workshops during her internship with 21st century scholars. She holds a bachelor of social work for Ball State University. Currently she is pursuing her master's degree in school counseling. During her academic journey, Tara

demonstrated her leadership by mentoring youth, organizing community initiatives, and actively participating in organizations like the student social workers association, Indiana Black Expo, chap my chapter, and as a founding member of the Junth Committee. Outside of her counseling role, Tara served as track coach at Muny Central High School for nearly two decades where she led and inspired student athletes to countless regional and state championships. Her commitment to empowering and fostering young minds and cultivating reli resilience underscores her passion for education and community service. Tara believes her greatest accomplishments are her children Raymond, Tyrie, Tyron, Nathaniel, Tamira, and Brendan, and her reason for being so invested in the Muny Youth. I now present you all with Miss T. Okay, I'll just say thank you. Well, I'm loud enough. Sorry. Um, I just want to say thank you. It is truly an honor to be recognized. Um, and I do always take this time uh to reach out to the community, to volunteer in our schools. Um, everywhere I go, this is what I'm going to say because our kids and our

staff need the support. Um, I am at North Side. So, anytime you want to come and volunteer, just go online, click the little link on in the website um to volunteer for a small background check and just come on in and en enjoy the ride. Um you can go to any other school as well. Um but because I'm at North Side, I'm always pushing for you to come to North Side. um we have a lot of great people in this community and there's a lot that you can do to advocate for our students and help our students um to grow and be more productive in their lives and become great productive citizens. So, thank you all very much.

Okay, next month's presenter will be Councilman Green. Okay. Roll call. Dishman present. Selby here. Macintosh present. Green here. Powell here. Garrett present. Goian here. Fashion here. Mason here. All present.

Okay. The approval of minutes of the August meeting. So moved. Second. Okay. Motion has been made by Councilman Selvi that we approve the minutes. Seconded by Councilman Bash. All in favor? I do. We do a roll call. No. Okay. Minutes approved. There any appointment appointments to boards and commissions?

Any committee reports? Mr. President? Yes. Um, just a quick update. The finance committee has met twice of our four meetings. We'll be meeting again tomorrow night to review the budgets for streets, Beach Grove, Parks, Prairie Creek. I think that's it. And those are um departments that have their own funds. They don't come out of the general fund. Um and then we'll meet on the 23rd of this month with the uh budget to be adopted on the next meeting on the 6th. Okay. Yes.

Um the budget meetings have been going pretty good. Um, like the gentleman stated though, a lot of stuff is kind of being crunched at the last minute, but uh I remember at our industrial neighborhood meeting in July or was it June? Anyway, uh they were concerned about the youth center being rebuilt after 25 years. Uh the mayor was at that meeting and also stated that there is edit fund money that he was willing to put up for it uh at least 500,000. And looking at some of the budget we have that 1.9 million increase we've I was prompted to ask or Mr. information was I'm sorry to ask at our Friday uh budget meeting if uh he would be willing to continue to support that youth center and he stated yes. So I'm pleased in that. Thank you, mayor.

Okay. Any other committee reports? Okay, moving on. New ordinances. Ordinance 26-25. Ordinance 26-25 being an ordinance to amend the city of Muny comprehensive zoning ordinance from the R4 resident zone to the BC community business zone on premises located at 1600 North Willing Avenue, Muny, Indiana.

Okay. Ordinance number 26-25. This ordinance seeks to reszone property located at 1600 North Wheeling Avenue from R4 residence zone to BC community business zone to allow for change in use from residential to retail. Mr. President, I make a motion to introduce ordinance 26-25. I'll second. Okay.

Motions made been made by council person pile, seconded by council person Selvi. All in favor? Any discussion? Any discussion from anyone in the audience? I may. Yes. Is there a representative from Is there any representative regarding this? Okay. Are there any representatives here? Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Okay. I guess this reszoning request received a favorable recommendation from the plan commission 70.

Okay. Okay. And it's been uh the motion has been made and seconded. All in favor? I. All oppose. Carries. Hey. Ordinance number 27-25. Ordinance 27-25 being an ordinance to amend the city of Muny comprehensive zoning ordinance from the R5 resident zone to the BC central business zone on premises located at 718 North Walnut Street, Muny, Indiana.

Okay. This ordinance is to resone property located at 718 North Walden Street from the R5 resident zone to CB central business zone to match the zoning of adjacent properties and allow for replatting after town homes are constructed. It was did receive a favorable vote from the plan commission. Yep. Is there anyone here to speak on this? Mr. President, I make a motion that we adopt 2725. Second. Oh, introduce. Yeah, introduce. I introduce. I'm sorry. Introduce.

Okay. Motion's been made by Councilman Bash. Bash. Sorry, I was blocking. And seconded by Councilman Selby. No. No. Okay, sir. Uh Jonathan Chandlas. I'm co-owner of Crew Properties, Crew Construction. We're the owner developer on the site there. Uh I just didn't know if you have any questions about it. I've got other documentation. I'm not sure what they gave you, but uh they also asked me if I could they told me I could ask if you guys could suspend the rules and vote on that tonight just to expedite the ref process. Doesn't matter. I mean, we'd prefer that, but um I have a comment if

I may. I really like what you're doing on Walnut Street. I support this project too and changing especially with the support of the Delaware Muny Metropolitan Plan Commission. I like the fact that you're helping expand the property tax base on that street and you're providing new housing near downtown and I like that the McKenley president and the neighborhood association support you 100%. So with that, I would like to suspend the rules tonight. Ask the council suspend the rules to move uh this project forward at full speed. I can answer questions if there aren't any. Mr. President,

real quick, we'll need to we'll need to introduce it and then you can move the rule to consider it for adoption. If that is unanimous, then you can. So to be clear, we need to vote on the introduction first. Okay. Good. All right. Hey, you made that motion. It's I will redo the motion, but I may ask questions before that. Correct. Right. Correct. Okay. May I? Yes. Okay. And so what what do you plan for that property right there then? We are currently building town homes. It's just the same property that you're already building on.

It's just the very north lot. Yeah. the reszone that happened a couple years ago just ended there at the R5 CP district. Okay. Mr. President. Yes. Um I got a question for you. Yeah. Um when you get these built, um I wish you guys would consider that if you have any violence or any shootings or anything, they will be kicked out of the your apartment cuz we just had a shooting at these new ones down there. And I hope they do the same thing. I don't know how they operate down there. Ours will be owner occupied. There'll be market rate homes. Uh we're hoping we can get uh I don't know like college professors there. All state teachers.

Yeah. I mean that's kind of the demographic I guess to get in that area. But I'd like to see zero tolerance for any type of violence in Sure. But they will be owner occupied. So yeah. Yep. Mr. President, shouldn't we vote first and then have discussion? I mean, if you if there's still questions on the actual introduction. Yeah, you can ask those questions first and then Okay. I I I understood that we voted first and then had discussion and but that's fine. Yeah. Just like a typical introduction. Okay. Comment. Sure. Okay.

Any other comments? I just I'd wonder why it's so important to suspend the rules. He didn't give a reason. So, I've said this before. Um, if it's not detrimental, if we don't have to, don't suspend the rules. I mean, just do it the way it's supposed to be done. Okay. Did you have it? Okay. We don't really have a reason to suspend the rules other than just to expedite the replat process. It's just move along faster. But Mr. President, I have a question.

Who was it that asked or that told you that you committee? I don't remember. I I know that um Mr. Dishman sponsored this. Did they have they encourage you to reach out to him so that he could uh I've talked I mean we've talked in passing about the project but not specifically about the reszone replat. All right, Mr. President. Yes. Like to ask a question or two if I may. You may. Um you have an introduction tonight to bring in another section that is there to the north side. Uh what's your long-term plan? Are you going to go through that section of the neighborhood or is this where you intend to stop?

Well, the the parcel we're asking for the reszone is currently part of the construction project. Okay. We just have to get that reszone so we can replat. They can't split the zone split the plat with the it'll be a multiszoned plat. Okay. And so they can't do that. But we do have plans. We would like to do more development there. Yes. Okay. Now, if we suspend and adopt tonight, would this allow you to get the footers in the ground before we're under construction? Like, we're we're setting trustes right now. Okay. But but for this next lot, would you be able to do that? This lot that we're asking for is currently under construction. It's under construction now. Okay. Part of the Thank you. Thank you.

How many units are there? Uh, seven units total. Uh, they're all roughly the same size. two bed or three bed two and a half bath about 1,800 square feet. Each one has a twocar detached garage that is alley entrance. So we have off street parking there. The design I don't know if you guys have seen anything but there's a sign out there shows a picture of what they'll look like but our our goal was to try to kind of match the architecture of the neighborhood. Tie that in, keep it consistent throughout. And then like I said, like we hope to do more whether that's town homes or infill or mixed use, whatever that be.

Okay. So, what's you on the suspension? Yes. Um, I just want to make a comment. I always weigh in what the U Metropolitan Planning Commission, they're the experts. They know details we probably don't know and they can answer questions we can't. And the second thing business-wise, second thing, what the neighborhood wants is my concern. And if this project gets the support or if the neighborhood associate, which they send us all a letter in support of it, I'm in support of it too because that's who it would affect immediately or, you know, proximity wise. We have a letter. I don't know.

I we we've received the letter, sir. Thank you. Okay. So, we do have a motion to vote on the first. Okay. All in favor. It's already been motioned and seconded. Okay. Voice vote. All in favor? I Okay. Now for the I need a motion. Motion to motion to suspend. So move. I second.

Okay. Motion's made by Councilman Selby, seconded by Councilman Green. Do a roll call on that unanimous? Yes. Dishman, yes. Selby, yes. Green, yes. Powell, I'm sorry, but no. Sure. Continue.

Okay. Been introduced up for adoption next month. Sure. Up for adoption next month. Is there a reason why we can't counselor get everybody's vote on this? I understand it's a bit I would like to hear everybody's vote on this. There's no question. Wouldn't the public like to? It's already It's got to be a unanimous decision. If it's not unanimous, there's no point.

Okay. Ordinance number 28-25. Ordinance 28-25, an ordinance of the city of Muny amending the traffic schedules set forth in chapter 80 on the city of Muny code of ordinance. Mr. Mr. President, I um which one? Motion. I'm sorry. What? I make a motion that we introduce ordinance 28-25. I'll second it.

Okay. Motion's made by Councilman Pal, seconded by Councilman Zel. Okay. This ordinance seeks to reduce the speed limit from 30 to 25 milesPH on McKenzie Street, Tyrone Drive, Shellbark Road, and Bittersweet Lane between West View Boulevard and Riverside Avenue.

Is there anyone here to speak on that? Yes, ma'am.

Hello. My name is Sarah Williams. I live at 504 North McKenzie Street. I'm a 20-year resident of Munie. I'm here with my nine-year-old son who goes to West View Elementary. And um I appreciate you allowing me to send you some information. For those of you who who um didn't see my email, I'm just going to point out a few things about uh traffic safety concerns. Uh children and school buses are frequently present on those streets. We live within a few blocks of West View Elementary. Um and that causes increased volume of traffic of non-residents using the street um either to the school or as a shortcut to or from West Westview Boulevard and West Riverside. Uh there are lack of stop signs on North McKenzie, North Tyrone, North Bittersweet, North Shelbark, and West um at West University Avenue making a a nice long straight shot for people to increase their speed maybe without even realizing it. Um, there's a lack of other traffic calming measures such as speed bumps, flashing signs, or children at play signage. There's a lack of sidewalks. Um, which with Titson being 30 m hour, I I find it quite shocking that our streets are also 30 miles hour, but with no sidewalks. Um, lowering speed limits has been directly correlated with fewer and less severe accidents in residential neighborhoods. Uh people are uh twice as likely to be killed when they're struck at 30 miles per hour than 25 miles per hour. So I respectfully request that you consider this. My neighbors will be showing up at the October 6th meeting as well. Um but we'd like to see that speed limit lowered from 30 on those streets to 25. Thank you very much.

Thank you. I think it's also important to note that the city engineers been notified of this request and consents to the reduction. Yes.

The motion's made and second. Okay. All in favor? I by saying I. All oppose saying. Mr. President. Yes, sir.

I would like to do something probably a little unprecedented, but for public safety, especially the children, we ran into this a few years ago down on south side of town, and we circumnavigated uh some of those that didn't want this to happen. We reduced the speed limit in the school zones. We put up uh radar detection signs for the safety of the children. And I don't think this thing should wait another 30 days. I think this is something we need to push through for the safety of the children. They're walking to school. The uh hours that they're walking now, it's going to be darker

both morning and evening time. And I think for their safety, uh we would be remiss if we didn't do something about this. And I think we ought to do it tonight. And I'd like to amend that to push it through tonight. Okay. important. Well, council's legally permitted to reduce the speed limit to 25 miles per hour on residential streets without a study, right? Can you make that? That's the most sustain. Yes. I'm making a motion to suspend the rules. Second that. May I just ask one question? Yes. Um, council person uh Powell, I know you're the one who's uh sponsored this and you've talked to the neighborhood residents. I just want to make it Can you make it clear that the neighborhood association is in support of this?

Yes. Um there have been a lot of emails to me. The neighborhood association president has contacted me. Um we talked to the city engineer about this and that was all gone and that's a safety issue. So that's why yeah I too have received an overwhelming support for this. The motion's been made and seconded. Ro call. Yes. Fashion. Yes. Green. Yes. Macintosh. Yes. Fishman. Yes. Garrett. Yes. Selby. Yes. Pal. Yes. Mason. Yes. Motion to adopt. Mhm.

I'll make that motion to adopt. Second. Motion is made by Council Person Golian, seconded by Council Person Garrett.

All in favor? Roco. Garrett, yes. Fishman, yes. Golian, yes. Powell, yes. Selby, yes. Macintosh, yes. Green, yes. Fashion, yes. Mason, yes. Yes. Thank you. Okay, moving on. Ordinance number 29-25. Ordinance 29-25, an ordinance amending chapter 80, traffic schedules of the myy code of ordinance, University Avenue parking.

This ordinance seeks to remove the current restricted parking on University Avenue between Dick Street and North Street and prohibit parking at any time on both sides of University Avenue. U Mr. President, I move to introduce this for the sake of discussion. Second. Okay, let me finish reading this first. Dick Street and Reserve Street and the south side of University Avenue between Wheeling Avenue and Reserve Street. Now, what was your motion? To introduce it for the sake of discussion.

Have a second. Okay. Motion made by Councilman Selfie, seconded by Councilman Green. All in favor?

Oh, is there discussion? Any discussion on this? Anyone here to discuss this? Here we go. Good evening. My name is Beth Mesner. I am the treasurer of the Riverside Normal City Neighborhood Association. I'm also a resident of this particular neighborhood since 1991. So, a longtime resident. Um, the neighborhood association vehemently opposes this particular ordinance. In particular, we have great concern with the elimination of parking on University Avenue. Uh we have a number of reasons uh for that particular stance. First and foremost, we're not sure what's motivating this particular ordinance. The ordinance itself simply asks or indicates that this is a necessary measure. We don't know why it's a necessary measure. We're not aware of any studies that indicate that this measure is necessary. Um, we assume it may be something to do with a bike lane project that was originally proposed uh by the university to go down Riverside Avenue. We have been or but down uh University Avenue. We have been in consultation with Flatland Resources who's working on that particular project since 2023. We've hold held neighborhood meetings. We have canvased our neighborhood. We have surveyed the residents of the homeowners, property owners on University Avenue. Our neighborhood is vehemently opposed to this project. Assuming that this is related to the bike lane project, we don't know that. We have no understanding of the motivation. A couple of our big concerns. First of

all, with the redevelopment of the the village right now, parking, more parking is going to become even more necessary. We've been assured by the university that there will be sufficient parking available uh for the new um the new businesses, the patrons of those businesses. We are still unconvinced that that is indeed the case, which means the elimination of parking on University Avenue makes absolutely no sense given the amount of traffic that will now be directed toward the new developments in the University Village. We also um are facing our own internal struggles with parking already. Um, in 2023, the parking on University Avenue was restricted to 2hour parking, again without consultation uh with our neighborhood association, which has forced a lot of the parking uh from the folks who live in those rentals into the alleys. And we've already seen demolition of garages of historic structures as a result of the restriction to two-hour parking. Eliminating parking will only make this worse. This is a historic neighborhood, one that is already struggling to retain its character because we are at a kind of a saturation point right now in terms of rentals. We're seeing landlords move five, six tenants into properties that originally had two bedrooms. Each of those tenants comes with a car. Um, if you've seen what has happened to the alleys on either side of Neely Avenue when parking was restricted on that particular street to put in the boulevard, you understand our concern about what is going to happen to our alleys. They will be turned into barren moonscapes as a result of that. And our

efforts to maintain the aesthetic character of our neighborhood is going to be severely compromised. We have sent um each of the council individuals a full letter explaining our concerns along with the results of the surveys that we have done on with our neighborhood residents. We are having um later in September on September 20 hold on let me get the date right. um September 25th, uh a meeting at Emerson Dog Park from 5 to 7:00 p.m. We encourage you all to attend if you are able to speak with our residents about their concerns regarding this particular um this particular proposal. As of now, we are, as I said before, vehemently opposed. And I'm happy to take any questions on behalf of the neighborhood association. Anyone have any questions?

I don't have a question, but I just wanted to commend your residents. I have been overwhelmed by the amount of emails that I've received. I know you put my encourage people to contact me and they have and so kudos to you guys for being strong self- advocates. And we certainly will have uh residents here to speak with you and answer your questions at the October 6 meeting as well. Um, Council Person Basham, did you you sponsored this, correct? Yes, I did. Do you know who who drafted this? Who's who's behind this? Is it? I came to city hall and and and signed it.

Okay. So, you don't know who drafted it or anything? No, I don't. May I ask if anyone has any information about what what motivated this ordinance because we're without a clue. Yes, I do have a question. Yes. Um Miss Meer, tell me about the conditions of the alleys currently.

Um the condition of the alleys are are very rough um because of the large number of tenants particularly along University Avenue and now along North Street as well. Um, we find overflowing trash cans, we find potholes. Um, it having ridden the trash trucks when we do our neighborhood cleanup on a regular basis, the the alleys are abhorrent, I can only imagine how much worse they will be if all of that parking is forced into those alleyways. And the the other, you know, option is North Street, which we are already challenged with an overflow of parking um because so many tenants being, you know, being moved into houses that were not designed to hold those that number of tenants. So, um we're anticipating that the alley situation will become significantly worse.

One more question. Yes. May I follow? So, and then when the trash when you guys put your trash out, you put them in the alley. So, during trash pickup, you guys can't, you know, you're going to Yes. that because University Avenue is an ambulance run. Yeah. Um, we have been asked to place University Avenue trash in the alleyway so it's not placed on the street.

Yeah. And so that becomes even more problematic um for the trucks to move through because it is a fairly tight alley. Another concern we have is the speed. Right now we already have problems with speed on University Avenue. Um we anticipate that with the clearing of cars on either side of that avenue. Um and it's an avenue that we cannot put uh traffic control measures on because it's an ambulance run. So there's, you know, more stop signs. um traffic calming tables, those things can't happen because of the ambulance run status. So that means we're going to see traffic speeds increasing and we already have concerns about speeding on that particular road.

Yes, sir. Um well, so it sounds like maybe it's not Ball State. If you went to city hall to to sign, may I ask I think the administration's here. Um, mayor, would do you have any information on where this came from or what what's behind this? I do. Would you mind coming up? Okay. Okay. Can I have I'm happy to yield to the mayor if Okay. Unless you have another question. I did later. I'm happy to stand. Okay. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't mean to touch.

Thank you, U. Mayor Dan Rydenower. This has been uh university as a trail has been something that as a trail and connector to downtown has been something that's been talked about uh by the bike ped committee by other committees um and by Ball State who is here um and uh by downtown as a desperate uh desire to have more of Ball State come to downtown. It's been something that's been talked about for 30 years, maybe more than that. Uh we are in the process of and we've already milled it out now. Uh we're waiting for the concrete work, the curb work to be done so that we can then pave it. U since we were getting it paved, we looked at the ordinance and the ordinance says from McKinley to Dicks that there is parking on University. There is clearly nowhere to park. Um and that clearly needs to be handled. Uh that you cannot do it. uh there there's no room uh that is a safety vehicle route u and uh it wouldn't be safe to have parking on there but the ordinance uh does say that. So that was one thing that uh the legal team pointed out and and said let's look at fixing that. And then the other part we had talked I had not personally we were doing this through flat land. Uh we had talked about upgrading Tui Park um and um included in that was creating a trail. U uh Phil Tevis of Flatland did indicate that there was some resistance. uh no reasons were given to me and that was okay just that there was resistance by the neighborhood they wanted it to be a different route the route that they ch I am told this is again it's secondhand uh what I was told is that it was picked to go from uh what it would be Dicks up

to Riverside and then Riverside over to Wheeling and down or over to Riverside and and one other street and then So, it was it it became to where it just wasn't effective.

If you're if you are a student or if you're a faculty member uh of Ball State University, it's probably not going to be where you're going to walk out of that village development, whatever it would be, uh whether it was a restaurant or something else, and see the sign that says go north three blocks, two or three blocks to Riverside, then take Riverside and then come back down. university is is uh where it seems to make the most sense. So, I wanted to bring this forward. I said, "We've got to fix the that you can you should not be allowed to park between McKinley and Dixs. Uh let's just go to the council, see what we can uh figure out on the rest of it." Now, I will tell you that over the last 27 days, I've been doing um some research and I have packets here. I'm I I have several days to where we went through and we counted how many cars were parked on Wheeling. Um and we even looked at the license plates to determine are these homeowners because if it was overwhelmingly homeowners, uh we would look at it differently, but it was overwhelmingly students and the landlord should be providing, in our opinion, the landlord should be providing parking for those students. And every single one of them, we went up and down the alleys. Every single one of them, and I have photographs here. There's large packets here for the council uh with some photographs, but I have photographs showing that every single one of these houses has access to the alley. It runs all the way through. Um and most people, overwhelmingly, most people are parking in the back of the house. Very few people are parking in the front. In fact, I'll give you the numbers. Uh the the uh there were two people parked on the street on Oh, I don't have the dates in front of me. They're in the rest of the packet. There were two people parked I

think it was August 16th. There were three car three cars parked on University on August 22nd. There was one car parked on University on August 29th. There were three cars parked on University on another day. I can't remember which day it was. and then September 4th there were two. So it was a total of 11 cars during five different days over a 27-day period of time. We felt like that seemed reasonable to come to the council and say look this may be an opportunity of something that would help our downtown local businesses would connect Muny and Ball State further and it's not inconveniencing a whole lot of people. Now clearly the neighborhood as a group uh and I don't know uh where our first speaker lives but uh clearly it's not something that the neighborhood is interested in doing at this particular time but I think uh as I go through this what we did is we looked at the license plates of the cars and eight of those 11 cars were out of county plates

indicating to me they were most likely students. I don't have a guarantee and we're not we're not going into that. And I'm not checking somebody's license plate to see where their registration is. I just wanted to see are they 18 plates, meaning Delaware County, or are they plates from another county? Eight of the 11 in that of those five checks, those five days that we looked, eight of the 11 were um out of out of county plates. So that meant only three, which is less which is only 6 per day uh were parking on the street. So I understand there's a concern um but as we looked at it it the concern seemed much less after we did our research. The concern seemed much less warranted after we did our research. Very few people of the 48 homes that are on the south side of university only 6 are parking in those spots. So, I would like over the next 30 days, 34 days, whatever it is, however much till the next meeting, um, for this council to consider it. I have I have photographs of every single car that was parked on the streets when we did these tests. I've got them for several days. I also show alleys. Um, I I I so I have all this information. I also have letters of support from Ball State University, although I think they're here to kind of indicate what what additional things they'd like to partner with us on this and really create a legitimate connection from Ball State to downtown Muny. Um, and I also have letters of support from uh the Muny Arts and Culture Commission because um I'm going to give you these packets. Lacy, can you

Yeah. It's just as a little summary kind of what I talked about, but it also has the letters of support. Thank you.

From those three organizations, which are downtown development, Ball State University, and the Muny Arts and Culture. And then it also shows some examples of what some what Ball State is offering to do. And Chris, you're welcome to come up if you'd like. But what Ball State is wanting to do is take some resources that they have and create a true connection to where there are very clear and obvious and artful connectors between each of those streets at uh along the street. So painted uh crosswalks, maybe even a little beyond that. Ball State is considering Oh, thank you. my agenda. Um, but that that is something I would like for you to do. I I can pass you out. It's about this high. It completely filled my uh bookcase or I can get or my briefcase, but I or I can give them to you after the meeting. Really, this is just for introduction. My hope was that we could have a serious discussion on how much are we truly inconveniencing homeowners. That's a concern of mine. Um, students are very important. and we love the students and what Ball Street brings to our community, but I'm a little less concerned about them because they're not the homeowner and the landlord should be providing the parking.

And that's that was my view of it. So, oh yes, I'm sorry, mayor. Go ahead. My question is not for you. Is that okay? Can I ask Miss Messer a question? Is that okay, Mr. President. Yes. Can you come forward, please? Yeah. So, uh, Miss Master, I I Yeah. Come on to the podium. Yeah. It's your turn now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So, I remember being in one of those meetings in 2023, 2024 with Flatline. Am I saying this correctly that your neighborhood association is willing to give up the parking if and only if there's bike lanes with um safety guard dividers like you would give up your parking if the bike lanes are done with like concrete something so they protect the bikers so there's a barrier between the biker and the cars. Is that correct? Let me first say that our neighborhood association supports bike lanes. Our opposition is to a bike lane on university. Okay.

The last meeting that we had with Flatland Resources. Okay. Flatland was listening to our concerns, reported our concerns back to the university, came back to us. This was in September. I'm sorry. Okay. This was in November of 2023

and indicated that the university would be willing to consider moving the bike lane to Beachwood, which has no parking already and is a sufficiently wide street or to University Avenue, which allows it to make use of property already owned by the university. I'm sorry. And that is

Riverside. Yes. and that was the last we heard. We assumed our voices were heard and we assumed that that was the plan. So this shift back to Riverside or to University Avenue comes as a great surprise to us. Um I also would like to indicate that yes, we support bike lanes with safety measures. It is our understanding, however, that given the funding available, and I may be misspeaking because obviously we've been left out of this conversation for a significant period of time, that the bike lanes were going to consist of striped painted bike lanes, not bike lanes, with security measures in them because the funding for that was not available at the time that we were having these conversations. ations. We do support bike lanes. Many of our members are bikers, so we're not opposed to that in general. We're opposed to the placement of it on University Avenue, a street that already is sufficiently busy, that already is an ambulance run. And now from our understanding that is now going to contain unsecured bike lanes that simply consist of painted lines on a street that's already got high levels of very speedy traffic. As for the parking survey, because in September of 2023, University Avenue was shifted to 2-hour traffic or two-hour parking, most of the residents are now forced to park in the alley. We've already seen the demolition

of garages. We've seen drives and backyards graveled over as a result of that. So, I'm not surprised that the number of people parking on university right now is low. I also note that at least one of those days was on a weekend. Most of the students are gone on weekends. So, so yes, there are few people parking on university because they've already been prevented from parking as they normally would have parked before that 2-hour limit was placed on university. And we've already seen significant degradation to the backyards and alleys in our historic neighborhood because of that change. We're expecting worse when it's eliminated alto together.

Okay. Thank you. Next question. Anybody else have any questions? Yes, sir. Can I speak to that? Yes. My name is uh Jim Lee. I live at 1401 West University. I'm just four houses east of the village. I think that there's a fair amount of cruising of fast cars, trucks, motorcycles through the village on University Avenue. The Italian restaurant, Lacasa Cole, closed recently

and there was an Indian restaurant going in there. But I think about three restaurants back, I believe it was a Mexican restaurant and they had uh sufficient business that cars often parked down University Avenue. Uh, and when they did that, it was really difficult for us to pull out onto university because our vision was blocked until we were into the lane of traffic. We can't go out through the alley because students have stolen our patio furniture twice. So, we had to put up a tall gate and keep it locked to keep patio furniture. With the development of the village, the new buildings and such, I fear that uh more there'll be more parking on University Avenue. Uh I would also think that the police, fire, emergency vehicles would rather have a clear boulevard coming down. They're in a rush to get to the hospital or the university would rather have a clear boulevard to their destination. So, for that reason, uh, I support the abandoning of parking on University Avenue.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Hi, Council Cameron Grubs. I There's so much going on here and and to be honest, this this ordinance itself may not be that big of a deal, although university, you know, it's high traffic. My problem with what's happened here, what I'm seeing, Mr. Basham is that are you telling me that you showed up to sign an ordinance and had zero questions simply because you were asked to? You didn't even know that you signed it. So, I don't know what you're talking about, Mr. Mayor. I am not telling you that,

Mr. Mayor. You talk about transparency. Why are you showing up to council now with the packets? Nobody's got anything. Like, you're going to waste their time and our time to sit there and show them what's going on.

Now, why not do that beforehand? Why not have meetings? I I know that we get a lot of this whole this is how we've always done it. Well, why does it always have to be that way? We can show people things. We can show maps. We can get We obviously didn't talk much to the the neighborhood association. And I'm going to call you out, Mr. Mayor, because you said it was all in the ordinance, but all it says is whereas it has been determined that it is necessary to update chapter 80 traffic schedules within the Muny city ordinances and whereas the city of Muny desires to update and chapter as it relates to parking on University Avenue. There is zero zero in there about what you were talking about. And just to you treat these these uh students as though they're less than. It's to be honest reprehensible because you just because they're here for maybe four years. I don't care if they're here for six months. They have a voice and they should be heard. They should be asked and not just thrown off because they're not going to be here in four years. Thank you, council.

Thank you. Could I say something, Mr. President? Yes. Yes. Um I came to the city hall and had a conversation with the mayor. I knew he was going to be here tonight and I knew that he had uh a presentation to make and so I I knew that he was going to be there and that's why I spoke as I spoke but I had the conversation ahead of time before we signed it and um I knew he would going to he was going to be here to explain my

hi um my name is Sarah Vititali and the remarks that I express are my own and not those of my employer. Um I'm I'm feeling really concerned too. Um you know, Mr. Basham, regardless, if you knew about our ordinance ahead of time, it would have been great to share it with your colleagues so that people would have had time to think about it. But you know what's more than that is I really hope none of you are um well I want to encourage you not to be um bamboozled um by the misuse of numbers um masquerading as scientific study. um a few people walking down a street on a couple different days taking pictures in alleys does not um a study make it's it's irresponsible to call that research um especially and I would and I would really hope that Ball State had nothing to do with um that study or if they did I hope they used a kind of scientific rigorous um method in um looking into um trafficked and or looking into all of these issues in that neighborhood. Um so I think that whatever is in that packet, if it's if the the summary we received from the mayor reflects it, um it's not it's not rigorous. Um and so it's something that you could just, you know, go take a walk down, you know, river or um university by yourself. Um, and I think that we should all really um take um issue with like we should be concerned with what Dr. Mesner said um about that their neighborhood association has been working carefully. They had been talking to the developer

and then all of a sudden they're not aware of this tonight. Um so I mean I'm I think this is really really troubling. Um and I encourage all of you just on the basis of that um to vote against introducing this ordinance tonight and let it be introduced once um there's a rationale um um a um a reasonable rationale presented. Thanks. Thank you.

Yes sir. to state your name.

Good evening, counselors. I'm Chris Paladino. I'm the director of real estate services at Ball State University. And uh we've heard a few things about the village project this evening and maybe I can provide some clarification to some of the issues that were raised. There's a lot of exciting things happening with the village development. And one thing I wanted to point out was that improving connectivity between the village and downtown has always been an important goal for the overall strategy. For that reason, last week, Ball State University issued a letter of support for this ordinance being introduced this evening. You have a copy of that letter in your packet, but there are some excerpts I'd like to read from that letter, which might provide some clarification to some of the issues that were raised here this evening. Our college and community collaboration grant with the Lily Endowment references the goal of creating a stronger physical connection to downtown Muny. The city's investment into new street paving, sidewalk improvements, and new bicycle lanes will help achieve this. With the Lily Endowment Grant, Ball State University will provide supplemental funds to enhance the crosswalks along University Avenue. We have seen effective crosswalk designs using colored thermoplastic to create a more artistic, appealing, and safer routes for pedestrians and cyclists. We will work with your team to create a similar unique design along University Avenue. And at this point, I should point out that we did include, and it's in your packet, several photographs of this treatment in application. Not only do they create effective designs in our opinion, but one important point, they significantly improve safety. More visibility, higher concentration of these crosswalks, they create a natural traffic calmer. And we've seen this application used very effectively in parts of Indianapolis. Reading from the letter, in addition, Ball State wants to strengthen the connection along Martin Street between the village and White River Greenway. We know the existing shared been well-maintained. Ball State University

will install new landscaping along this path in conjunction with the new residential development currently under construction. We will then assume responsibility for permanently maintaining this planting strip along the shared use path similar to how we maintain the planting areas along Neie Avenue between campus and Wheeling Avenue. And one final point I wanted to address. We did hear this evening some comments about the loss of parking and potential negative impacts in the village and that is a very realistic concern and that's something we've paid very close attention to during our time working on this project. As you may recall, two months ago in July, the council unanimously approved an ordinance that changed some of the parking restrictions for on street parking in the village. What used to be blue permit parking only in the core of the village has now been updated to be 2-hour public parking. That change in addition to some of the new on street parking regul uh additions that we are making with our projects will add about 80 new on street parking spaces in totality to the village. So I'm sympathetic to Mr. Lee when he says there have been issues in the past of people wanting to come to the restaurant and having to park on University Avenue. By changing some of the rules that were in place, by adding additional public on street parking, we think we are making a significant improvement towards that issue in the village. So, in summary, I just want to say Ball State wants to be a community partner in this. We look forward to continuing our collaboration with the community on this initiative. Thank you all.

Thank you. Thank you. Todd Me is 700 West University. Um he's a pretty slick talker uh from Ball State. Um my only question is prior to the Lily uh grant, what evidence is there that Ball State has done anything for the city of Lord? He's a director of his comments to us. I mean,

I've seen no evidence. I've lived on university for a couple decades. Um, I see absolutely no evidence that Ball State has done anything for downtown Muny up until this supposed Lily grant. So, what have they done? I mean, all I see is this invisible line around Ball State and then the rest of my outside of it. That's what I see as a resident. You know, I don't see kids coming from Ball State. I see kids going to Ball State. Okay. Mr. Inspectors, let's keep our comments towards what we're discussing.

That's what we're discussing. We just heard from Ball State the reason why uh Dale Basham introduced us and he knew why. My question is Norah Pal is our district committee member and she doesn't knows nothing about it. She didn't know it was coming. Why didn't she get it and take it to the neighborhood association who apparently the ball was dropped two years ago when Ball State decided to go do something else. Now they decided they want to come back and eliminate the parking and everybody's rolling over like they always do because Ball State wants something. And I'm embarrassed that nobody went through the proper channels. I mean, why didn't Norah Pal be told about this along with Dale Basham from the mayor? Why didn't our district committee member be part of this? Why was she excluded? Because she's a Democrat. Is that why the mayor know avoided her?

I don't know. That's a good question. Go ahead and pound the hammer all you want, but it's truth. That's it. Thanks. Thank you. Are there any other comments or concerns?

Okay, motion has been made and seconded. All in favor signify by saying yes. Yes. Yes. I going to have to do a show of hands. You might want to have a show of hand. Okay, let's do a show of hands because this this thing go. All in favor signify by raising your hand. All oppose.

Okay. Did you get

And I know it looked like I voted twice. I know. I was just I was just, you know, raise your right hand. at the end. May I make a comment? Yes, you may. Regarding this ordinance, like I mentioned earlier, may I, Mr. President, the one that we just uh voted on? Yes.

Okay. I would like to see the neighborhood association and the administration and Ball State University get together and figure something out. Um, this project did not start yesterday. I remember being in those meetings at Minitrista with Flatland. This was this discussion's been going on for two years. And um so I'm sure there's a way to solve this. One of the things that I would I would feel comfortable with if we do eliminate parking that those alleys there need to be redone. And I do believe that's a street department. Do we have the money to make the alleys safe so or drivable? Because I've driven down the alleys sometimes when we had our neighborhood cleanups. The water would be sitting there in those holes stagnant. So there are so many elements that need to be addressed. It's not just eliminate parking or keep parking. So I hope everybody can get together and come up with a good plan when you come to us next meeting so we can uh vote on something that's uh agreeable for everyone. So thank you Mr. President.

Okay. Okay. Moving on. We have ordinances 30-25, 31-25, and 32-25. You want me to read them all at the same time? Well, these ordinance seek approval of the proposed budgets. Okay. Of the city of Muny, Muny Sanitary District and MITs for 2026. Can we introduce all at once? You can already introduce all at once. One at a time. One at a time. Ordinance 30-25, an ordinance for appropriations and tax rates proposed 2026 my civil budget.

Mr. President, yes. I make a motion that we introduce 3025. I accept that. I'll second that. Sorry. Okay. Motion's made by Councilman Bashim, seconded by Councilman Garrett. Any discussion? Any discussion?

And 30-25, Christopher Bilbury. Um, I was here at the or I wasn't I I watched the I don't know if I was here or not. uh at the second no I was here at the second finance committee meeting when you guys talked to the controller and one of the counselors was not here Mr. Dishman, but the rest of you were. And I was uh interested when you guys brought up a couple of positions that last year you guys decided in a vote of six to three to unfund. You unfunded three positions last year and at least two of those positions came back up and they are now being funded and you guys didn't make any um mention of cutting those and so I'm assuming unless something else happens. I know you still have a little bit of work to do. Uh but I I mean are you guys does anybody know are you guys looking at keeping those funded through the general fund or is that something you know where where are you standing on that? That's you haven't made any cuts that correct.

Correct. There was one um there was one mistake and error just a a an additional number in the controllers overtime but other than that we still are in the process of receiving information from the department heads and then we will have about a week to digest that individually and then come together on the 23rd to make recommendations from the committee on reductions. But I want to also say that any member I mean there just because the committee makes or doesn't make any member of council is is able to make a motion to amend any ordinance. So

am I correct in in saying that you guys have only so far made one reduction? Is that correct? We've only done it um we've only definitely said and that was a voluntary yeah reduction from the controller but yes that's correct. as a committee. Yes. Okay. I don't I don't pretend to know what individual council person are thinking, but go. Yeah. Yeah. Real quick, uh, that was 7 to2 on that vote. I just want to make sure. Say that again. 7 to two on that vote. 7 to2. Yes. From last year. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.

Mr. Grubs. Evening council. Cameron Grubs again. Um, so I just want to ask just for transparency purposes, can you explain kind of a little bit about what the process is that you're going through here? Because to regular people, it might be interesting to know how we're voting to accept a budget that we're still working on trying to hammer out. So is this just basically the the like the the numbers that we're taking in? This is how much we're doing. And just if somebody would mind explaining that for could you clarify that question for me? just like the process that we're in right now that you're So is this the process of accepting this ordinance is just basically the numbers like if you can just explain for the public I guess

the municipal budget and Craig please correct anything I'm wrong the municipal budget is created by the administration the council reviews it the numbers for the tax draw are available in June from May and then the the administration um gets some numbers from DLGF for the missile ous revenue, but they create those other numbers in regards to different taxes and permit fees and things along those lines. So by the time hopefully at the and um we had our meeting on August the 5th and hopefully shortly after that the budget will be created and filed. um the sooner the better of course. And uh then the finance committee, which is all nine council members, go to work reviewing the budget line items for the most part line by line um kind of seeing where we fall and try and close that gap uh between expenses and um revenue. Um and so everything's on the table. Uh there's a lot of discussion. There was a lot of discussion last last week. Um, and then we will come together to talk about any amendments that we feel need to be made. Senate Bill 1 is obviously, you know, SB1 is obviously rearing its ugly head. Mayor Rydenower had a uh a press conference to talk about how we are going to be entering into a hiring freeze. We're going to be encouraging full-time to go to part-time, which is never a pleasant thing. we're going to have employees that will potentially have to to for um forego their benefits um and things along those lines. And so the budget is due to the state no later than November the 1st. And so we will be adopting our budget on October the 6th. Um uh and any amendments that are adopted because I'm sure that you know that whatever we come up with they will need to be adopted by the council. Um then those will all go to Lacy and and

the controller and they will submit those changes to the to the state. Are is was that kind of clear? Well, I just was kind of wanting like a general expl and I'll clarify from that I was saying that may I add one thing sir? Tonight is just an to introduce the budget about and we are overlapping the budget hearings with that this introduction tonight. We will continue to work with the administration and council as we have conversations tomorrow night

and then again in about a week. Uh and then finally, next city council meeting, we will finally adopt based on the finance committee's recommendations. On the 25th, is that right? 23rd.

The 23rd is when we will meet and talk about and anytime we meet because there are nine of us, it has to be an a formal meeting uh to so that we don't violate open door laws. But it is really tricky. You are absolutely correct. We are trying to it and it's it's very difficult because we are um in active negotiations with our three collective bargaining units. We're adopting a budget and we have no idea what those expenses might be. And so it it does mean that we have to look very carefully at at areas where we can cut. Uh last year Mr. uh Mason made a um a motion and that money that was eliminated from the general fund is what uh made it possible for the police and fire to get their 5% raise. So those strategies are beneficial. Um you know and we were able to keep some of those employees on through edit. So, um you know, our our goal is of course going to be to tighten tighten the belt as much as possible while still being able to um provide services and also uh take care of our employees. So,

and the uh and like you said, this is just to to introduce, but again, if we don't take in that budget by October 6th, right, we revert back to last year, correct? If for some reason we we don't adopt the budget on October 6th, we have until November 1st. So, President Mason could call a special meeting. If the budget is not submitted to the state by November the 1st, then yes, we will revert back and have the 2025 budget next year. While that sounds like it's just a housekeeping issue because we can appropriate additional monies into those line items that that well that that you we can do that but when we revert back we not only revert back to the line items as far as expenses we revert back to the line items as far as income. And so if we don't do our job then there's a possibility that we could lose any income that we did make. So increases in lit um I unfortunately didn't get property tax but any normally any any increases in property tax we would we would see forfeited and so that's why it's really important that um and that's why we started our meetings prior to this meeting with introduction because if I mean it's

especially with the holiday it's only three weeks until we'll be adopting right um it's it's very very important that we receive the budget in a timely manner

well and to that point I know it was kind of pushed back for reasons and but like the earlier the better and would be nice to kind of have something is there any kind of way to put in an ordinance that says it has to be submitted by such and such date that might be an option the uh but I would ask if I could ask as a as a citizen because it's been plain to me for some time now that the city of Muny needs this is that if we're going to budget money for information can we have a a an information officer public information officer, not a not just somebody that is a PR person for the mayor, but somebody that puts out information for the council that helps to facilitate this, that works with the the the clerk and everything like that to make sure that everybody gets the information and has information and doesn't get comments that don't need to be made. I make that ask. Thank you, council.

Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Not at all. Okay. Okay. So, for ordinance 30-25 31. That's one we just did. No, we have we have to do the motion. We have to do one. Yeah. Motion's already been made and seconded. All in favor signify by raising your right hand. All oppose. Mr. President, I have a question. Yes, ma'am.

Uh, Mr. Gibson, should we amend the budget pieces that we received after the deadline into the budget ordinance tonight or that is up to you? We can't and so we um received all of form one and form two. So, we received the budget expenses and the income. Is that correct, Lacy? So, I make a motion that we amend ordinance 30-25 to include the uh form one and form two that were turned in after the deadline um to be included in the in the complete budget packet. Was it was form four in there as well? I'll have to look. Yeah, I thought I thought

I make a motion to amend the budget so it includes form one, form two, form three, and form 4B. I'll second that. That's an easier way to do it than try and find out which ones were. Motion has been made and seconded that we amend the 30-25 to include forms one, two, three, and four. P. Roll call. Basham, yes. Macintosh, yes. Selby, yes. Green, yes. How? Yes. Fish, yes. Garrett, yes. Yes. M. Yes. So now, do we need to make a motion to introduce the budget as amended or will that No. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Appreciate having you here. Ordinance 31-25. Ordinance. Ordinance 31-25 and ordinance for appropriations and tax rates proposed 2026 my Indiana transit system budget. Mr. President, I make a motion to introduce ordinance 31-25. Second. Okay. Motion's made by Councilman Pile, seconded by Councilman Macintosh. Is there anyone here to speak on this? Mr. President,

I make a motion to amend ordinance 31-25. So, it includes form one, form two, form 3, and form 4B. Second. Okay. Motions have been made and seconded that the ordinance 31-25 ads one two three and four B. Correct. Roll call. Garrett. Yes. Dishman. Yes. Sylvie. Yes. Green. Yes. Powell. Yes. Macintosh. Yes. Dash. Yes. Yes. Mason. Yes. Okay. 31-25.

Uh, Amanda Price, general manager for MITS. I was just here if anybody had any questions. General manager for MITS. Mits.

Yes, ma'am. I'm going to ask a question that comes up every time we talk about your budget. Is there any any way that we could start providing services or provide bus service on Sundays? Uh it's it's not really a question of money as much as it is a question of drivers. Um we are still struggling with that. Okay. Um we were we were pretty good and then we lost a couple in a week. So all right drug screens and Thank you.

What would you say your percentage of wrership is right now? our wrership has been increasing. It took a a large dip after co but we have been increasing um each year since then. So uh and with Ball State not hiring any not having their own driver or trainer for CDLs um and then moving to more of the smaller vehicles that you don't have to have a CDL. We're seeing an increase in the number of students at Ball State that are getting on our buses because the Ball State buses are full. And does that include the high schools, middle schools as well? Mr. President,

yes. If you had drivers, is there a plan to include Sundays? We have been focusing on our facilities um since I took over because they had not been focused on. Let me put it like that. Like we had to get a new roof on the administration. It was original to the building. Our bus wash is original to the building.

Um we've made significant progress on that. Uh the bus wash is in the capital for next year. So perhaps in another year or two then that would have when we've taken care of our buildings and facilities we could be in a better position to look at increasing the hours back to 9:00 possibly adding a Sunday. Fair enough. Thank you. Any other questions? Voice vote.

Voice vote. All in favor of adopting ordinance introducing sorry 32-25 [Music] I 31 31 31 30 35 31 31-25 Is that what I said? No. I I I Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. All oppose. I'm going. Okay. 32-25.

Ordinance 32-25. An ordinance for appropriations and tax rates of proposed 2026 Muny Sanitary District budget. Mr. President, I make a motion to introduce this budget. Second. A motion's been made by Councilman Green, seconded by Councilman Macintosh. Is there anyone here to speak on that?

Hi, Dina Cox, financial manager for Lency Sanitary District. I'm just here if you have any questions.

Anyone have any question? That was easy.

Okay, seeing there's no more further questions. We'll do a vote. All in favor of 32-25 signify by saying I. I. All oppose. Motion carries. Okay. So, where we at now?

Resolutions. Resolution number 16-25. Resolution 16-25, a resolution of the city of Muny, Indiana, relating to the financing of a fire station project and approving a form of taxpayer petition in connection where therewith make a motion. This resolution is the initial step toward the approval of and financing of a new fire station on Tillison Avenue to replace station 5.

Mr. President, yes. Um, in the spirit of finishing our budget and making the resolution or I I I would be in favor of delaying our focus from resolution 1625 and I would like to table this resolution. So, it hasn't been introduced yet. Um, you could also withdraw it and refile it next month. Whatever you whatever you prefer. I think that I think I'd prefer to do that. Okay. Motion to bring it off the table. Just that's perfect. That's perfect. So much. All right.

Thank you.

Oh boy. Okay. Yeah, we'll take care of Did we vote? Did we vote? Did we vote? We didn't vote. You don't have to vote. You don't I just pulled it off. Never mind. Thank you. You did it all on your own. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we'll take public comments at this time. Alan Cornbla and Katherine Mitchell, my public library.

Thank you. Good evening. Um Alan Cornblau, library director, and with me is Katherine Mitchell, our assistant director. I'm sorry, I can't. And also our treasurer. Um I thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight about our budget. Muny City Council is the fiscal boning review. We have a governing board that approves our budget. So this is more of an FI FYI for you folks. Um, our budget is set to be approved at December at the September 19th library board of trustees meeting. And I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have about our budget.

Yes. Just out of curiosity, how has it has it changed or is it pretty much staying the same? Do you know that? Well, um there's a 4% growth quotient. So, um our levy is going up, but our circuit breaker is going up twice as much as the growth quotient. So, uh our budget will actually be uh a little bit less than than it is the current year. Okay.

Is that going to cause any um programs or anything to be dropped or anything? No, we don't anticipate that. The the wild card is miscellaneous revenue. So, uh if lick continues, we should be we fine. Good. Any other questions? Yeah. Yes. Could you uh describe the conditions of our current public libraries in general? If you can just mention a public library and the conditions in your opinion.

Um we have five buildings, four locations for the public. Uh our Kennedy Library just won the U Muny Quest for the best award as the the best library in Delaware County and we appreciate that. Thank you. Our Maring Hunt Library uh is doing well. We also in that building house a great achievers program which is funded by federal money that was just released by the state uh to us. So we're happy about that. And every third grade every fourth grader that's in the program this year were third graders last year and they all passed

um the I read I read. We're very proud about that uh program. Our uh Centennial Library was just renamed in July. It was Connection Corner, now it's Centennial Library to uh go back to its original name and let folks know exactly its location. It's across from Longfellow and does a great job uh there in meeting the needs of the the kids and they have all kinds of activities there. And of course, our our Carnegie Library is an anchor for the uh cultural arts renovation downtown. And uh we'll be doing more work with that. And on November 6th, we'll be having a little party to celebrate our 150th anniversary there at Carnegie. And uh we got permission to close the streets and have a light show among other things. So uh we invite you all for those. And we do have a another building, the Hunt building on Memorial, and that's used by the Friends primarily. and they just had a book sale recently

and um so we partner with the friends of the library on that. Thank you. You say your Centennial Library went back to its original name. Yeah, it was the Centennial Branch when it first opened and it's now the Centennial Library. It's gone through a few name changes over the year. It was named after Virginia Connley for a period of time and then it closed or Vivian Connley, I'm sorry. And then um it came back as connection corner and we decided to to change that name to more reflect its library status and not people didn't quite know what connection corner was so uh we went back to its original. So would it be a possibility to rename it the Viviian Connelly Centennial Branch Library?

We uh asked the family years ago when it before it was connection corner and they did not want it renamed after Vivian Connelly. So we um acknowledged their their desire and and went with a different Okay. Mhm. Mr. President. Yes. Um recently the council um annexed Westminster. Were you able to resolve the library card issue for Westminster? We thought we had but today we've had we had a meeting with lawyers today.

I've been working on that. So let me speak to that. So yes, we actually decided to pull go to our library lawyer and ask them to take it over because I have gone through what I thought were all the hoops. And I keep getting some uh some push back that we aren't, you know, different places say, "Oh, well, you need to have this." But then other things say that you don't need that. Indiana code doesn't say, "I need this." But like, uh, thank you by the way, mayor, for that letter that you gave us, even though Indiana Code says nothing about needing a letter. um to okay our annexation because we actually aren't under the city uh as you guys know because we don't show up in your budget.

Uh but uh we've just hit a lot of roadblocks and so we've asked our lawyer, could you take it from here and make sure this gets done because uh we were really excited and the Westminster group is raring to go. Um we've had people from Heron Point, a part of it that isn't in in our area yet come to us and um we're raring to go too. It's just we got to you know dot all the eyes and cross all the tees and um there seems to be confusion over what exactly those are that the dots and the crosses that need to happen. One of the issues is the state considers us the center point public or center township

center township public library. I get my places mixed up sometimes. Um, so the uh Westminster is in Harrison Township. So that's why we have to get all these approvals to bring them on board. So if it was just the city of Muny and the surrounding part of its jurisdiction, then it wouldn't be an issue. But because it's Harrison Township and not center township, that's why we have this problem. Are you hopeful? We are very hopeful and we know it's going to happen. It's just a matter of we were hoping it would happen like four or five months ago, right? Oh, yeah. Good. Good. Mr. President, yes. I'd like to ask a question if I may.

Uh, concerning your budget, line item 352, um, if you don't mind, uh, at $110,000, and I would like to know, uh, because Kennedy Library has um, a very step forward above the rest of the city right now. I I love the solar panels that are in your parking lot and I would like to know how much cost that offsets for your electric and how that is affecting uh that library as a whole. Has it brought that down? Was the expense greater than you anticipated? What's your savings?

Unfortunately, it doesn't generate much electricity at all and so there is very little savings whatsoever. So, uh, I could speak to this. Uh, the solar panels were put in originally. Uh, it was meant to be a, um, an example to the community of what can be done and what the capabilities are that are out there. And that was years ago that that was already available. Um, but because there are so many uh businesses in that area, there's a lot of issues with the wiring and the electrical wiring and stuff in that area and it does cause some issues with being able to actually draw the power from the solar panels into the building that has to do with where it's located. Um, so uh I know it can generate a I know some of the studies that I saw when they were working on it because people have asked me a lot about those solar panels. uh is that uh like if we had put it over where Centennial Library is, it would have powered most of that library's electricity

uh because it didn't, you know, it didn't have the electrical wiring stuff, but then it wouldn't have been seen as much true by people in the community. It was put where it was so it was a hightraic area and people would it would keep it in people's minds that hey, solar is an option. It's a valid option. So, um that's kind of why Okay. Do you know about what year that was put in? What that what year was installed? Um I'm trying to remember. Oh, it's it's been a long time. I know that.

It's been a long time. Was it like I think it's when they were last I think it was around the same time they did the Kennedy remodel, but I'm not 100% sure. So maybe like 2008, 2009, something like that. But I'd have to look at the paperwork. I don't really remember off the top. And I know they made advances in the collector systems uh leaps and bounds from where it was then where it generates a lot more electricity. But I just wondered if you did the data on that. Um

we don't unfortunately as you mentioned it's been there for uh it has been there for quite some time. Uh so it's actually been updated. The stuff has been updated to the point that it the software that would tell us that information is no longer functional. like it's not up kept up or anything. It's lapsed into, you know, not really being usable. I have some screenshots of and I have some ex um some how-tos on how to read it, but it doesn't help us to know how to do it if it doesn't exist. I I think I was told at one time that about a half a day's worth of electricity is generated per month. So, okay. So, it's very little.

Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Charlies Jameson.

Good evening, Council. Um, I have had a few conversations with councelor Garrett and I've raised this issue a couple of times uh previously and it has to do with the the old Chevy plant and uh the condition that it's in at the present time and also some concerns that I've seen out in the public uh regarding the common market and um and the uh zoning issues that they seem to be battling. that could lead to some exorbitant costs. And so, councelor Garrett, if you have an update or if anyone else at the on the council has an update, it'd be great to hear it.

I have an update on both. Uh, with the Chevy plant, I speak to the or spoke to the mayor uh last week and today. Um, they have the fencing company coming in to to repair the fence. uh they have a someone to come in and start cleaning up and and and revitalizing the property, but we can't they won't do it until the fence is repaired. So, uh we they I have been told that we have someone in place to repair the fence so they can get in and move from there. So, that's all I know from there. I know that the fence is being repaired and then after that we can move forward. And I spoke to Mr. Martin today and I've been speaking with him quite frequently over this issue. He meets with the uh with some uh with the fire chief tomorrow. He is very uh happy with the um well, I'd say pleased with the conversations he's had and what he has uh been given the back and forth with. He's been very pleased with it. Um we will know more tomorrow um about where we have to go but as of today I spoke to Mike and he is very um hopeful about the conversation tomorrow and where it will lead with the common market. Um so I have spoken with Mike and the mayor on both of those both of those issues. Um both seem to be moving forward um more um and another to bring up Mr. Martin, I don't want to speak for him, but I spoke to him today. Um, I would say very hopeful is is uh the way I I would say that if he was here, he he would say the same thing. And I don't want to speak for him, but he told me he's very hopeful with the um conversations that he's had that will lead up to tomorrow's conversation. And he said he will call me after tomorrow to tell me how that goes and where we are from there. And then I will call you and let you know how that goes. And then if anybody else has any questions, my

phone's always open. I will let you know how that conversation went um with what he allows me to say. Yeah. Yep. I'll just put a placeholder in for next meeting to ask for. You go ahead and call me. I It's always nice talking to you. It is. It It's always nice. Troy Walters.

Good evening. I'm just here Troy Waters. I'm just here kind of for an announcement uh for boy boy scout troop 22. Uh the troop has done numerous projects and service hours and everything through the city and the county uh all the way from the animal shelter to Mansfield Park Beach Group Cemetery. I mean just so much for the community. And uh this sat this Saturday from 11 to 6 they'll be having their annual hallogs. That's the only fundraiser the troop has for the year. And uh just kind of want to get it out to you guys, the public. Everybody's invited. We have tickets for sale. Anybody wants them, they can contact me or get a hold of somebody at the troop. You buy them ahead. They're $10 a piece at the door. $12 and get the food and sit down there and eat, get it to go, whatever. But it's uh for a great cause and great food. Fairgrounds.

What is this at? Fairgrounds. Yes. Always delicious. So, it's I think this I don't want to say what year this I think it's like the 28th year, I think. I don't know if they run here. Yeah. They didn't put on the tickets this year, but is it H Heartland Hall or the uh the memorial building now? Okay. It's the one back where they do the 4. Yeah. Yeah. It's the one that sets back where they do the 4 and all that. So this is like 28th year they've done it and I mean it's great and that's it. See you tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. Look up. Yes, sir.

If we see uh I I go to my southside Walmart. I love it. But if you see the boys or the Girl Scouts outside, buy the popcorn, buy the cookies. It goes to a uh even with you know if you don't know about the whole gross buy buy a box of cookies, buy a bag of popcorn that goes uh you're that 10 bucks and that 20 bucks goes a long ways. Uh I buy those lemon cookies like crazy. And I love the the sweet kettle popcorn. Just buy it. They're out there. Um they don't they set up the table. They're out there on shifts, off shifts. Um, and if you don't if you can't buy, give them two bucks, you know. You know, I I I walked out, didn't have a 20 on me, gave the kid a five uh from the Boy Scouts last weekend. Um, just get that is a phenomenal both both organizations are phenomenal. Um, just give what you can and if you can, it's not it's not that big deal either, but if you can give anything, give to them. It goes a long way. um those kids are out there and they they work their their tails off to get those badges and um they do there's a lot of work that goes into just one little badge that's that's on that they have. So just promote them please.

And I want to add this to a lot of people if you never was in scout you don't know it but having your Eagle Scout that is like the highest thing you can have on your resume for anywhere. Uh getting in the military you automatically move up a rank. I mean, so you get down to boot camp, you're up and it's not easy to get. They work hard to get it. And

you might see, like you said, the popcorn, you might think that's $30, a little can of popcorn, but that $30 is putting them into training and camps and everything. And u there's a lot of all the troops I'm going to say is good, but this troop 22, they got a lot of good men that come over here. We got three, right? Well, two and and a leader that's all just recently got on the Delaware County Sheriff's Department. And uh

I mean, they're they do a lot of good for it. So, if anybody wants it, like I said, if you can contact me or get a hold of somebody over at the troop. If not, you can get tickets at the door. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Being a former life scout myself, I understand. Yep. Always donate. Jim Lee, [Music] he left. Okay, I'm gonna say the last part of this. I can't read the first part. Billy. Oh, man.

That was funny.

I signed it rather than I don't know why I did that. Uh, okay. Um, so I noticed uh in the last couple of weeks that I have talked to a couple of you and apparently you guys as a council are still having issues with the email. I I don't understand why that would be. Um, one of two things is happening. You're either not responding to emails or you're not getting emails. And if you're not getting them from me, I'm sure you're not getting them from other people. So, you probably should be looking into this. This is something that's happened um frequently since you guys have been up here. Uh it's it's ridiculous that you guys would continue having these problems. If you can't get it to fix it, set up your own email. You've got to do something to be able to communicate with the public. And I was talking to one of you guys. And the person I was talking to said, "Well, you know, I answer everybody." And I said, "Well, you answer everybody that that you're that you're getting the email from. the people that you're not receiving the emails from, you're not responding to. So, that's an issue. Uh, if you are getting the emails and you're just not responding, that's a bigger problem. So, I I don't know what the problem is. You're either there's an issue with it or you're not doing your job. So, both of those need to be fixed. Either or. So, that's that's number one. Uh, number two, thank you for polling uh or tableabling or whatever you did with resolution 1625. I think that was a great uh move to see what goes on here and uh I'm very concerned about resolution 1625, but we'll see what goes on with that. So, thank you for pulling that, but figure out what's going on with your emails. That's a big problem. So, thank you,

Lyn Thornberg. I'm Lyn Thornberg. East Washington Street. First off, I'm going to um you can go to the Hog Rose, but then come over to the Washington Street Festival. This would be would have been the 49th, but CO dropped one. So, because next year's would been would have been would be the 50th because the 20th 25th was in ' 01. 9 m 11 like 3 days after that. Okay. why I'm really here. I have a property on Tillitson. Um I lived there for three years and became homesick for Washington Street. So I moved back and um right after I decided to do that, A tore up the street and it was supposed to be done last year, but they found a problem. So, I had to try to move with big giant holes in the street, you know, and barrels, and I had to uh deal with that. So, I got moved finally, but now the house is for sale. Nobody can see the sign. Nobody can see the house. It's like, hey, let's just put our portaotties here and our bulldozer there. and and strategically on the open house day, why don't we put some barrels lined up so nobody can see the house for sale. So I I'm a widow, elderly, and I really need to sell my house. I feel like a has been dragging this out. I mean, you

know, it's it's a negative to move that property with, you know, people say, "I don't want ever want live on this street because it seems like it's always torn up." So, I don't know what you can do. My former um council person has been assisting just by listening to me complain. But um you know I mean if they have money like if I were a business and they were impacting my business they would probably pay a compensation. So if there's anything like that I'll I'll take a check. Mason Mrs. Thornberg. Um number one your house is lovely.

Number two your new house is lovely as well. I will um all all kidding aside, I will reach out to Rob Keysling and just ask them if they could be better neighbors and and uh better community partners by not putting the large machinery in front of your for sale sign. Yes. Um I I it is it is a problem. I have seen it. Uh and and they do know that it is a problem. And this this you're exactly right. This project was supposed to take six months and it started in March of 2024. Right. So, um, uh, we I will contact Rob Keysling and and I will ask him to reach out to you. I I know that there are issues. Will they well they will help some of the residents, but we haven't come across

Yeah. someone selling their property yet. Okay. Um I did hear someone um in my family um not you I know call called them and asked about it and they and called the city I guess and whoever at the city answered probably street department and they told this person that they're going to have to go all the way to Bethl and hard telling how long that is and it has to be 55 degrees to even pave so it's probably not going to get done even till next year. The paving will not be done until 2026 and that is correct. However, the barrels should be moved before then. Okay.

Um that is correct. You we they I don't believe they can pave when it gets down too cold. It will just buckle and do that. But the project will be going further north on Tilliten. But hopefully it will move into Council Person Golian's uh district and and be done with us in district two. But before then there is going to be some traffic uh changes. um on Tillitin. It's going to go down to one lane. I mean I mean it's we're still in the middle of it, but hopefully towards the end of the tunnel, but I will talk to Mr. Keasling and have him reach out to you about the situation in front of your house. Thank you. You're welcome. Question for M. Can I Miss Thornberg?

I'm sorry you've been having a hard time selling your house, but since you're here, do you want to tell us the address of the house that's for sale? Okay. It's a It's an a cute little mid-century modern uh property that was built by the actual developer of that little neighborhood. Yes. And in 1967, it has a lot of the original cool stuff from mid-century modern. Okay. Um a fairly new um uh heat pump, energy efficient. That's awesome. Newish water heater and a fence yard with rose bush. Huh. Oh, that's what I wanted. 1304. Yay. North Tillitson.

Anybody's If you're driving down and you and and the stuff's in the way, but just look in the driveway is one of those big old giant mailboxes. Oh, mailboxes. Yes. So, thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. You get a cut, Cameron Grubs. Evening council. I probably should have gotten a closer seat. Um I was waiting on Linda be like, "It's got everything you need and Dan Cortez, but the uh

but I just kind of wanted to uh come up and I had a few things to talk about just as far as Pride. It was really great to see everybody come out to Pride this weekend. Uh Muny really showed up and regional. Uh it it was really awesome to see everybody out there and uh enjoying Canon Commons. Uh Lyn already brought up the old Washington Street Festival is this weekend. Definitely it's two days. Come out. And then uh the 18th is the uh the Muny Bridge dinner. Yeah.

On the uh on Washington Street. It's that bridge. It's always a great event. I definitely encourage anybody to come out there and enjoy that. the uh I did have one question and that was I so I had watched Friday's meeting and and there was a bit of a discussion over department heads making more than what the city had what the budget had allotted for like what they were um the line items allowed for and and there was discussion but was anything ever found about that like did we were any answers provided Mr. President?

Yes. Um unfortunately no there was uh we were left with some discussion. The administration contends that they are able to pay up to the maximum amount that's that's established in the salary ordinance even though several council persons remember that a there was a discussion that said that's just the maximum amount uh but we can't pay over what's in the line what you've appropriated into the line item. So there's going to be some discussion there. However, uh, interestingly, because of that conversation, I went back and looked at 2024 and the salary ordinance that would have covered 2024, and there were at least four four different department heads who were paid above the salary ordinance. Um, channel 60, uh, our communications director was paid more than their salary ordinance allowed. Uh, Beach Grove, what else? Animal shelter. So all of those that that's a situation where even if we go by what the controller has offered the the city is paying above and beyond. And so we don't even know if that's going to happen with 2025. And there will come a point in time when those line items are expended. Um probably end of October, beginning of November, those line items will run out of funds and they'll have to come hopefully they'll come to us for an additional appropriation so we can put some more money into that. So, but yes, it was a it was a a tense discussion and um no, it has not been resolved yet

and we still now have questions about 2024 and the fact that they're paying above the the ordinance. I appreciate that. And also to if I may just express appreciation for all of you uh on the council because I know that dealing with the budget is a pain like you're having to especially with SB1 going out and appreciation to even this administration because they're having to work it out too. But I know that you're trying to find money for I mean now we've got to pay for first responders because the money from uh we had to cover the payments using the opioid money and it's not like that's something we're going to be able to use. So I do not envy you all at all. So appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you.

That's it. Any other questions? Any other concerns from the audience? That being said, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. So motion made by Councilman Mintosh, seconded by everybody. Everybody. Yeah, everybody. into the gun.