Downtown Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay. Now I'm ready. Alright. Alright.

So we will call the meeting of the Mountain View Downtown Committee to order at 08:03 on Tuesday, April 1. Roll call?

Great. Chair Kavanaugh. Not here. Committee member Kavanaugh.

Cats. Yeah.

Sorry. I hope

it happened.

Kavanaugh. Absent. Cats. Here. Keith. Absent. Lynn. Absent. Stephanie Lynn? Yes. Shake?

Here.

Vice chair Baird? Here. And chair, Kasparzak.

Present.

Okay.

Alright. And next item, number three, is minutes of the February 4 meeting have been delivered to the committee and posted. If there are no corrections or additions from members of the committee or the public, a motion would be an order for approval. Was I unexcused? Well, first, any any any Second. Correct them. Yeah.

It was probably unexcused. I thought I thought I don't know what that means.

Oh, sorry. It should say excused. I'll make that change. Yep. We talked ahead

of time. Okay.

Okay. So there is a correction. Is there are there any comments online, Amanda?

No. We have no one with their hand raised.

Alright. A motion was made by Peter, seconded by Jamil. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion is approved. Next item number four, upcoming agenda topics. Let's see. I didn't see it online. Did you have the matrix of agenda topics on the

I just added a couple here that are upcoming. Parkview plan update, art and murals in downtown, precise plan update, and school performances in the downtown. We have we have quite a long list, but those are ones that committee members specifically asked for.

Yeah. I I know because we were doing the it might be helpful just to have that list or the matrix of what's there so that oh, yeah. So Yeah.

Okay. I can pull that up for future meetings.

Yeah. Okay. Alright. And is there any any future agenda topics, any of the committees of and we can't talk about them, but was there anything that's been on anything Buddy's mind?

Yeah. I I I wanted to revisit the downtown street science.

In the wayfinding?

Or No. No. Street signs. Street signs. Those are I I think it's still something they don't belong in downtown. You know? They would be more I don't wanna talk about it, but that

would be Right. Okay. Yeah. So So

And I've suggested before that we need more street signs.

Historical type thing we've seen. You know?

I think maybe we're talking two different things. But a lot of the crosswalks, there's only one sign. And if you're not looking at this up above your head, you can see Yeah. The right direction. And you've mostly have to pull.

K. So that's it's not so much way it's sort of wayfinding, but it's actually about street signs. Right. K.

There's no imagination needed. Right. Okay. More so. K.

Okay. Not seeing anything else. I don't know.

I I I'm I'm delighted that we'll get an update on the precise plan at some point. It'll be nice to have an update on the economic vitality strategy and the retail study that were done, you know, what actions are being taken on that, if there is anything new to report just because, you know, getting those regular updates is helpful to know. And and, again, EV strategy, of course, is greater than just downtown, so it's just the pieces that Mhmm. Pertain to the downtown.

Oh, well and that brings up something that has been on my mind, and it has to do with and this would obviously have to be a council thing, but could be a recommendation is, should this committee really be more of an economic overall economic vitality committee rather than the downtown committee? This grew out of the downtown revitalization of fund, which was, you know, the the what do they call those? You Oh, oh,

before the funding that

bank taken away. Well, the it went away. I mean, ours expired. So but that's that's another thing, and that would have to be the foundation. But, anyway, so that would be something else for the agenda. We could talk about it the next agenda setting meeting. So moving on then, item number five, oral communications from the public. This portion of the meeting is reserved for people wishing to address the committee on any matter not on today's agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes, and state law prohibits the committee from acting on non agendized items. Are there any members of the public yet?

There are not. And

there are no members of the public present, so I guess there is no oral communications from the public. Moving on. Number six, unfinished Business 6.1, downtown development update. Good

morning, everyone.

Morning. How are doing?

Well done. Associate planner. Gonna give you guys an update on any development. So luckily, actually, there's actually no I'm sorry. Nothing?

Oh, I'm it might be something.

There's nothing particularly that we've noted from the last update that was a new development for, you know, this most recent month. But I'm happy to answer any questions you guys may have on any projects. Yes.

So this is a repeat from last month. The project sits right next to the post office. Mhmm. Supposedly, PG and E is having difficulties, whatever, interfacing with them. Does the city have any way to aid that along? Or that has been enabled for months and months and months, which is lots of money for everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And I think last time when we had this meeting, director Murdoch. Murdoch was here and was able to kinda respond to that.

But I'm kinda reiterating what he mentioned. Like, unfortunately, us as city staff only have so much power and ability to, you know, kinda urge non city entities to really kinda facilitate that conversation and help accelerate that kind of duty. I know that last time, director Murdoch did mention that, you know, we would try everything in our ability to kinda have that communication and, kinda move with this, try to help that along. But, you know, some of this is out of our kind of ability and purview for our two for us to, be able to assist them. So,

this is sort of a rhetorical question per se. Does the Citi have how do I say this, does the city not leverage? That's not the right one word I wanna use, but is there a higher up situation? I know we have a lobbyist firm that helps the city on certain things. Is this something that the city can try some other avenues to to because that's been setting for a long time, and that's costing the developer money. And that means that those units, when they ultimately settle, probably gonna be more expensive than they would have been a year ago.

Yeah. The council This is pervasive with PG and E. I know.

I I You know, the council has a legislative action plan. I think they discussed it in February. I can't remember whether this is something that was on there, but that would be something that would be at the discretion of council about how much they'd like to take escalate that to the state level to try and address there. But I think, yeah, I think it's all communities. It's not just us, and it's a lot of projects. So

Yeah. I worked on one over on Castro. Yeah. And then I had asked you about, what was it, 368 Castro Street. So that's the New China Delight building. There's a for sale sign on the front of it, and

Peter's Oh, yeah.

Goes in. And so happened.

Yeah. That and the Maruichi, the

Well, they are being sold. It's a single property. It's one property. Yes. That one on the market, I don't know, sometime earlier this month or last month.

$6,400,000.

Like, two. And it's still unreinforced masonry.

I know.

So

we have reached out to the broker and are in communications with them. City staff is, you know, offering our support to meet with potential buyers to help them explore a project on that site. So we're we're doing everything that we can to support, yeah, potential reuse, redevelopment of that site.

We don't have any idea, though. I mean, I I can't imagine. I mean, that's gotta be a teardown and rebuild. So One would think. I mean, the the building is unusable. So

Yeah. Yeah. Let's start walking down.

I mean, the new China Delay property has been vacant for about fifteen years. The Mariucci building has only been vacant since 2021, so there may be more reuse available there. It yeah. We just don't know. I don't know that staff has been inside those buildings

recently. I you I walked by last week, and looked inside the new China delight, and the doors were open. So I stuck my head in, and it's torn down to the studs. There's no ceiling. There's no floor. It's it's basically a shell. And then the other each you has a panel at the front to block the wind coming in, so I didn't wanna walk around that and have somebody yell at me.

So I

I was but it looked pretty raw inside as well. There were couple of four guys in there talking and looking around. So

It's called location, location, location.

Yeah. But it's 6.2, 6 Point whatever. It's a

private market.

You know?

I know. But, yeah, Ali, the only

thing you're gonna get in there is, I don't know, some upscale restaurant that probably doesn't fit the profile of.

No. I'd say it's it's a it's a redevelopment. So Yeah. So I I wanna go back to the PG and E thing and back up an agenda item. Maybe we could invite PG and E to come and explain to us, you know, what the heck's going on and how they're how they're like, they can say no. But maybe let's put that down on on the list, and then we can talk about whether we want to to extend an invitation to them to have them come in to a meeting and talk to them about how they're disrupting our economic vitality.

I'll let you make that ask, Mike.

Mike, actually, PG needs his pocket tip in another month or so. Okay. Good. So we might use that to

kind of We'll put double pressure on.

Well, what I'm saying is we can do that to let the steps as to what's relevant from that conversation you might wanna bring in.

Oh, okay.

Okay. Back to projects.

Anything else? Is there any a lot of these say under or I'm not I'm sorry. Under under review. Is there any timeline for the reviews to be completed? Because some of them have been under reviews for quite some time.

Which one in, like, particular?

I don't

know. Or are you speaking about, like, planning permits or, like, the bills?

Well, let's take let's take them let's take them in isolation. There's number four. Yeah. Number four is a building permit under review.

Yeah. Five is a planning permit under review.

Right. Number nine has building permits under review.

Let's maybe just take one at a time so Vincent's head won't spin. Well, maybe

Peter's question is is if we put a date down of when review Begin. Started or when review is expected to be completed or what the statutory review period is.

So So I could I could shed a little bit of light on that. So, in terms of, like, planning review, you know, that once it is submitted, city staff have, got a COVID deadline of thirty days to to respond to applicants. But oftentimes, you know, it still will be considered, under planning review because there's, once city staff has responded, the applicant will have the opportunity to respond to those comments, and that can take longer than thirty days. And they have up applicants have up to ninety days and then may ask for an extension if necessary if they're working through, particular comments and working with safe staff to address, some of those comments or questions that may have been provided to them. So, you know, in terms of a specific deadline, it's difficult to provide for that given, you know, staff only has so much ability to kinda, screen them or consider the project to be drawn.

So it's difficult to provide a timeline on that. But for building permits so, typically, that it is after the project has been approved by staff or council or whatever body necessary. And from there, it that timeline is also diff difficult to really have an anticipated timeline because throughout that process, as long as they're working through to, you know, obtain their building permits, it still is considered approved up until typically a two year deadline. And then from there, you know, if they don't obtain their building permits within a two year den two year expiration period of when it was approved, then it may be considered expired, or they may request an extension of their planning entitlements to be able to continue working towards their building permits. So, unfortunately, you know, I I I can look into, you know, putting in the date that it was submitted, but, it would be difficult for me to provide a estimated time of

That's true. But you but it would be possible just to say, okay. Response made such and such a date awaiting comments from applicant or, you know, you know, permit planning permit approved such and such a date. Just so everything here, you can't tell if it's been here for five years or three days. And at least if if there was just so sort of like at the end of staff reports or something, you know, it's like there's every date somebody touched it is listed, you know, that that would help with understanding what the timeline is.

And it would help us deflect people when they say, well, this has been in front of the city for fifteen years now. And he goes, well, no. You got your planning thing last week, and we're waiting on the city's waiting on you now. Right. So it it it helps us to be able to respond, you know Yeah. In the community. So

Yeah. No. I I definitely hear you guys.

It's more work. Yeah. So

Yeah. No. I I hear you guys. So, yeah, we'll look into that to see, you know, what other additional kind of dates or timelines we can add into there to kind of provide a little bit of more information. But

Yeah. Well, we don't need every way, Mark, of this. Yeah. The sentence needs to be rewritten. But

Yeah. Right. But as but as Mike says, it's it's a black box right now. And and in order for us to help you as well as, you know, to, you know, figure out things that we've behind the scenes, that's helpful. No. Absolutely. So

one more question about the Robert Green company. That's been around for a long time. I thought that one was on the thing. It was a

way that

so currently in compliance with the disposition and development agreement for financing extensions. What's sort of the uncertainty right now with interest rates and the business climate, how much longer do they have before that extension expires or does it expire?

Yeah. So there is a I I believe it was for a set amount of time that that would expire. I don't I don't think we have more information about the status of that, yeah, at this time. But I I know the city's looking at

it. Well, yeah,

this is I don't know. I think it's sort of near and dear to my heart, and I think pretty much with Mr. Kasperzak to my right that Yeah. Really would like to see that project

up and out of the ground.

I would noted.

I think it's dead.

Well, I'm trying to breathe a little bit of life back in.

I think Robert Green has moved on.

I know. But it was such a nice project anyway.

Anything

else on 6.1? Hearing none, and presumably, there's no public input, I'll move on to item 6.2, Castro Street. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Just some updates from the downtown. So, you've included here today. You've got the copy of the downtown digest.

That went out in March. As you know, downtown digest comes out every other month, so this is our still our current digest. We did a little bit of a overview of some of the market retail analysis that we that this committee received last month. We do have a new business in the downtown, fashion, which is really exciting, and just some additional, you know, pieces about events that are starting up. We also the umbrella share program is alive and well for the pouring rain we got this morning.

Every time I think, okay. I'm gonna go pull the umbrellas back in, we get rain in the forecast, which is really great for us and great for the umbrella share program. But we got some good coverage of that recently in the media.

How many have been lost or misappropriated?

Yeah. I think about half at this point, which is which is to be expected. I sort of assumed that they will all eventually get recirculated into the larger community. So we we sort of built that into the plan of the program. But the businesses have just spoke really highly of it. Actually, we're missing one. It's at also at Pete's Coffee, which is missing from there. But, yeah, really positive feedback from participating businesses who said people come and they drop an umbrella and pick an umbrella. So the system's working for a I think it's a wonderful pilot program. Yeah. It's it's been really successful. Bought that up, I think. That was on me?

That's why I

thought I knew It's made it's it's mirrored it's created based off of a program that was in Vancouver, Washington, but I adapted it for for us.

And what a great week. Right? Amazing both days.

I

know. Music on Castro is coming back this week. That runs from April to October, and it's Wednesdays on the 200. So keep an eye out for that. What? It's weather permitting, so we'll see what happens. It may or may not start this week.

Well, bring your umbrella.

Yeah. Bring your umbrella. We've gotten some received some communication last month about smoking in the downtown, seeing people who are just sort of hanging out, smoking on the seat walls. So included in the downtown digest is just a little bit of a blurb there that really smoking is not allowed in the pedestrian mall. There's you know, it's prohibited in outdoor dining and picnic areas and within 25 feet of any smoke free zone. And so with our patio areas and businesses, you know, I think you could probably walk like a really thin tight rope line down the middle of the street and be permissible maybe.

So That was my observation when we adopted the no smoking.

Yeah. Maybe you were the one that gave that ago. So So we're working on putting up some additional signage just to sort of friendly be a friendly reminder and have something to point to when we ask people to stop smoking. The decorative street treatment. So this is really exciting. As you know, this has been in the works for a good good amount of time now. This ribbon concept, you can see with the the colors sort of weaving down the street. We are hoping for an installation in early May. Again, it's weather dependent. We need consistently warm weather for the paint to properly adhere.

But we are internally a staff working on our communication plan to businesses, to the public. I'm working to see if I can get some a frames that have sort of like a what's happening here sort of message so that members of the community that come down can can see what's going on. But yeah. Question. You

can straighten ahead.

No. You go ahead.

So so I was downtown just after the top seal had been put on, and there were guards standing along, yellow tape, blah blah blah. And then sure enough, you know, people are walking clear across it, and then they would go, oh my god. I have tar all over the bottom of my feet, and then you'd see little footprints all over the sidewalk. How are you going to make sure people don't do anything like that?

I mean, people are so close. Like,

I know. So a couple of things. One, one of the challenges with with that is it took so long to dry.

Yeah.

And so that's why we're really focusing on warmer weather. So hope it'll dry faster, which means there'll be less of a window of time for people to track through it. We're also only doing half a block at a time, and so we're gonna have a smaller project area. And the contractors, I believe, will stay on-site until it's, you know, mostly dry. So there'll be people there sort of gently urging people not to walk through it. Good. Good. Else to add,

Aruna?

Just add.

It's very typical. Like, your thermoplastic, you know, crosswalk painting, once it's done, it dries up fairly fast so people can walk a dry bar in it. So very similar concept. So the impact that we had with the paving would not be seen, we are hoping. That's why we pushed out from November to now.

Very good. Gotcha.

Yeah. But I agree. I mean, it it's part that was there was a lot of lessons learned from that experience. Mhmm. Is it

And then they had to go back and reseal parts that people had

Is it kind of anticipated that you'd how how long would it take to do a half a block chunk?

Yeah. I think they're they're they're they're looking at they've got well, right now, because it's weather dependent, we've got sort of a a a couple day window. But I think they're it's saying it'll be done in a

Yeah. Total, we are the contractors again, we do not we don't have a final schedule, so I don't know about the transportation partner. The contractor is assuming a full two day for each block

Mhmm.

If they were to do, but they are doing half blocking for them. So it's spread over three days. With the weekend and holidays gone, no more than two weeks for the whole Gotcha. That's the timeline.

Is it 100, 200, and 300 blocks?

Right. And so we do half a block of each of those at a time. So it might be, like Six. The front half of the 100 block and the second half of the 200 block happening at the same time, and then they'll so it's sort of divided up into six six chunks that then two at a time.

The ribbons cross the intersection?

They do not.

They do not. They are all within the central lobby goes only up to the existing crosswalk lines. Okay. And they're not going to the intersection.

They're not repainting the intersection lines at this time with this. Okay.

No. It's not part of this project.

So so I've I've been noticing that lately, these kids come in with motorized bike, like, tiny ones, pretty fast. That's one of their tempting thing to go through all of the signs. You know? So, I mean, maybe maybe I don't know. We don't have an answer for that because it could be, there might be some kind of a accident and things like that when people walking by. The speed bump on. The speed bump. Oh, yeah.

We have, you know, we have walk your bike signs up in the downtown, and people bike right past them. So, I mean, we have signage out.

This is a fast one.

This is your fast

one. The, like, electric bikes.

Yeah. I think bike tiny ones.

Yeah. Do much with teenage boys.

I know. I did. But a lot more people are

It's a new job for ambassadors as we patrol. Yeah.

Alright. Okay. As I noted, We Fashion, it's just exciting anytime a new business opens up. If if you've been by there, they've got a rotating selection of brands. It really is every, you know, week and a half to two weeks. They've got someone new in there. And every time I walk by, there are a good handful of shoppers in there. So it's really exciting to see how much they've been welcomed.

It's $2.59. What was that?

That used to be Beyond Thread.

Yeah. Okay.

Used to

be beyond thread. Yeah. And I will say, you know, had a great conversation with one of their operation managers, and they said that they've actually adapted their hours of operation to better match up with the evening dining. So they've they're they're staying open later, and they're seeing increased foot traffic. So it's really a a great example of how, you know, trying to be complementary of the existing businesses that are in the downtown can be beneficial. So really exciting to see that. And then lastly, we have ongoing arts exhibits that are happening in the Center for Performing Arts. So just wanting to continue to reiterate and flag. This one will be in there for another six days, and then we'll have some new art going in.

You think she said, like how do you say her last name? Murart? It sounds like she does mural art. Did you, by any chance, watch hometown makeover? Yeah. Mm-mm. On HGTV?

I haven't seen it.

They're doing redoing Zebra. So it's Hometown where they come in and, you know Yeah. Redo old houses. And they've done they're doing their third community, Zebra in Florida. And they go in. They fix up a couple of people's houses that are real community givers, and then they help restore several businesses downtown. And it's actually very cool. I mean, it's, you know, it's it's it's not ours, but it's the sorts of things if if you get more people downtown, blah blah blah. It's you know? And if you if you can have a new building, a new restaurant that or or a new public space, then you a more catering business and more floral.

You know? It's all the sorts of businesses that build off of just, like, one perhaps new business. So Mhmm. It's interesting to show. I actually went to one of the cities that Really? The first one they did. Yeah. Let's see. Wetumpka, Alabama.

Wetumpka? Yeah.

It's right outside of Montgomery. Was down there. And it was very cool, and I met all the players and the mayor.

So what's the brand of it?

What's the But it's kind of a cool show. You might wanna Okay. Check it

out on Hometown Makeover.

Yeah. On HGTV.

Okay.

Anything else on New Castle Street update? Yeah.

That's all I have.

Just wanna make, I mean, so that I'm noticing that lot more people are using those games. You know?

Oh, the games are back and out.

Think it seemed like they wait for it. If the sun is out, everybody comes out.

Right.

Now one is the idea I brought, like, earlier too. The ping pong table is hit. A lot of people play even late till 10:30, 11:00. I was there. But the the the planters, this shadow will have a round thing. So I was thinking about what to do with it. Just rotate it. Turn it this way so the light will come in or something.

Shift the planters?

Shift the planters to the the other second different pole or just turn it just the the at 19 degrees angle. So the light is Yeah. I put a shadow on the half of the tables. Have a

spotlight so you can play until 01:00 in the morning.

Oh, that would be yeah. People play. You know?

That would Or it's a hyperspace ping pong ball. So there's a period where you don't know where if the ball is.

You don't

light a ball. Yeah.

So do we need another ping pong table downtown?

Yeah. I I think this the ping pong table will keep people wait for it. And then not only you see, the best part is that people play, and they some of them are good. Yeah. A lot of people watch too. You know? So it's kinda brings the name. You know? They enjoy that. You know?

Maybe we need more than one.

More than one. Yeah. It's fun.

I I was just thinking about the bike thing that you mentioned because as a biker, like, I have been guilty of also slowly biking, slowly biking. But I think the real I think the issue well, not the issue. I think if we maybe wanna look into maybe this is more of agenda topic about getting better bike parking at certain intersections. Like, if I knew, like, okay. Because there's just not good bike parking. And I also have cargo bikes, so it's very heavy. I cannot lift it over the stairs to where the one bike parking is. And so if I knew, like, okay, Dana, that's where the bike parking is. I can just immediately take the street, park my bike, and then walk over to where I'm trying to go versus, like, trying to find, like, random tree or bugs. Yeah. This is so this is kind

of a thing that Yeah.

As the biker, it annoys me. Yeah.

So you know, we have plenty of bike racks at the chamber.

Yeah. But but the chamber is, like, not at the people we had. We wanted one to 100 block.

We want you to walk the whole With

the children. I was like, my three year old, that's gonna take, like, half an hour. So Alright.

Alright. Okay. Moving on. Let's see. Oh, again, assuming nobody online.

Okay. Nobody's raised their

Moving on to new business, item 7.1, and advisory input on the fiscal year work plan.

Great. I have a short presentation. Alright. So it is time for developing the council's next two year work plan. So the current work plan will expire in June.

And so the purpose of today is to get some feedback on the proposed projects for the fiscal years 2020 '25, '26, 2627 council work plan. So at the in 2021, council adopted the seven strategic priorities based on community feedback and input, and you can see those here in front of you at their recent council meeting in February. They reaffirmed that these were still their strategic priorities, and these really help to all the all the council work plan action items sort of fall in nicely into one of these. So it's really about the work plan items advancing these priorities. And previous council work plans have tended to be quite robust and comprehensive, and they've had a range of 40 to 70 projects since in recent years.

And we went back and looked, and, typically, we complete less than 50 of the projects on those lists within the two year work plan. And this iceberg example is meant to really convey that all of the ongoing work that's happening, sort of below the waterline is sort of the ongoing day to day operations, and it's estimated that that takes up about 85% of staff's time. And so above the waterline are those strategic initiatives, council work plan priorities, and so we're trying to make achieve those those projects with with the, like, remaining 15%.

Can you repeat that again, please? So 85% of staff time

is the ongoing.

Is the ongoing, below the waterline. Yeah. And so, you know, we have these very robust council work plan projects that we're trying to to complete with, you know, limited resources and capacity. And so for this fiscal year, work plan council has expressed and approved a quality over quantity approach, which is which will be focused on successfully delivering a smaller number of projects within the two year work plan. And so counts staff is recommending aiming for 10 to 14 projects with a really focus on high visibility projects that can be clearly tracked and progress significant progress can be made.

And, again, you know, the approach is really about rightsizing the work plan to fit current staff and fiscal resources. So, again, quality over quantity, honoring the iceberg, and

yeah.

Amanda, before you go off the slide, I know this isn't quite in your purview, but I have to ask this in a public forum. And that is that as we look at the 85%

Mhmm.

You know, my my I I don't have the right glasses to be able to read all all of the detail that's in there. But, you know, the question always comes up is, is that 85% the right 85%? You know? And are there things that we could do to streamline that to free up some of that 85%? You know?

And and, like, just because we've always done this, just because this is part of operations, does it need to be? Or, you know, are certain steps taking so long? Like, it I'll I'll randomly pick the middle of that that that that thing there. If that element in there takes up 80% of that 85%, you know, there there's no there's no balancing in that. And, you know, one of the things that we've talked about, and actually, I think is sort of kind of on this, is looking at city processes to see where we could streamline, where we're we're bloated or whatever.

And so that's one thing that strikes me about this. Whenever I see that, you know, we've got this much room to do something new, it's like, well, let's look at the old stuff and see, can we clean up? And god knows I'm not talking doge here, but I do think there are there are there are exercises and efficiency that we can do. We're relooking at some of those other things there. And so that I just wanna say that that's one thing that strikes me as I look at a at a chart like this.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you make a good point, and and I I mean, I know, you know, internal I can only speak to my department. We are looking at how we can have efficiency. Certainly, it's it's one of my personal hobbies is to see how we can maximize for efficiency, bring in new technology.

So we're doing that in the economic development team and and certainly in the community development division. One of the challenges and just to further respond, you know, one of the things on the strategic or council work plan priorities was the economic vitality strategy. Part of the challenge of that is it's developing a lot of ongoing tasks. So the more we continue to execute the 15%, more gets added to the 80 to the ongoing bucket. And so it's it's sort of there was another snowball effect, actually, graphic that we had for that we brought to council.

But that's all another part of the challenge. Even if we were to get super efficient down below the waterline, we're continuing to add to it with these strategic priorities. And so the iceberg just gets bigger and bigger, and so it becomes sort of a race against racing its time to trying to be more efficient, take on more things. I'm actually currently working on a economic development specific iceberg just to kind of wrap our arms around all the things on our work plan. And, yeah, it's

I I just, you know, I I just don't want us to lapse into inertia because that Yeah.

Know, part is

so big. Yeah.

Yeah. So I I was watching the city council or one of the committee meetings or whatever, and I I thought this graphic was very good. It was a good illustration of kinda how things work. And I I I you know, kudos to whoever thought of that. Maybe that's what all the cities are doing now in all businesses, and I'm no longer involved in that.

So but, anyway, I thought it was a good way to to illustrate that. But if you look at some of the pieces down below, it's it doesn't really so there is something about cleaning and maintenance, but it it doesn't really look like it takes it really is not looking at the normal or the standard things that we do per se, like normal street cleaning and normal maintenance of the sewers and all that. So these look more like, initiatives that city council or somebody along the line has decided this is what we need to do, like the downtown, you know, way find finding or something like that. So can you define

So I'm gonna interject here because our goal is not to go over this.

No. I'm just trying

to understand.

I know. But we we could go down a rabbit hole and is and instead of doing what we need to do, and that's to provide our input Right. Into this list of 16 topics of of Yeah. Each of our priorities. So I I had a question about that. And, obviously, we are the downtown committee. Has there been any feedback that what we would like to hear the downtown committee's thing on downtown niche sorts of things, or let's just hear from the five people that show up at the meeting what their individual priorities are.

Yeah. So just to quickly respond to Pamela. So this is meant to demonstrate a concept. It's not all inclusive. Mhmm. So this is just to respond because there's a lot of things that aren't on that list, and we're just we're just trying to we're just trying to demonstrate a concept. And, Mike, the question you asked is a good one. I've done been in a couple advisory body committees bringing this through, and it comes up at every single meeting. My feedback is that we are coming to you as members of the downtown committee, and so I encourage you to be wearing your downtown committee hat. There will be opportunities at the April council meeting to share your personal opinion, but I defer to you on how you'd like to approach it and pick your projects.

A couple more slides, and then we can get into the, hearing from all of you. So just to kind of orient you to where we are in the process, so this is the timeline. You can see we've gotten ourselves, all the way up to the we're we're sort of between three and four right now. So, council at the February 25 meeting, each council member brought three projects forward, and council had a discussion about which one they wanted to move into the next phase. All of the project feedback will come back to council at the April 22 meeting for final project prioritization for adoption in June.

So where we are right now, currently underway, is staff analysis. So staff is going through and using the below the criteria you see on the screen, to to conduct that analysis and provide input that will go back to council. And then, again, as I said, I'm going around to oh, well, we're the team is going around to all of the advisory body groups to get feedback, and all of that will be brought back council along with staff recommendations and analysis at the April 26 meeting. And then as you can see, it'll be adopted with the with the next fiscal year budget in June.

Oops.

So our process today, the focus is on hearing from all of you your top three projects. So, ideally, I'd go around. Each of you would share your top three. I'm gonna be taking tally I'll be tallying tallying up how many times each project gets feedback or gets voted on. And I will also be taking sort of any input that you have specific to those projects. So I am writing down, and we'll be reporting that to council sort of the big things that we heard about each of the those projects.

I have a question Yeah. With regards to to these suggested. When you start analyzing each one of them and you start thinking, okay. Well, this is probably not gonna take that much time, so it's it's probably gonna be something that can be done. So I'm not gonna put it on the list, but it's important to me. But there's other things that I think that are more important that'll take more time. How do how are we supposed to evaluate? But

It is up to your personal

Yeah. It

is up your personal those are the personal things personal decisions and weights that you have to have, but I'm only taking three down. We're really trying to hold committee members to this in the same spirit of quantity over call for quality over quantity, we're we're trying to carry that through. Yeah. It's a it is difficult because there are there are 16 projects. Here, at each in my past meetings, I've gone through and given a blurb about each of these. Would that be helpful? Do do you feel like you have enough of an understanding? There was one That's right. There was one committee meeting where I didn't do that, and we ended up talking about all of them anyway. So so Go ahead, Beth. I say go ahead.

I mean, before you get into that, just the rules of engagement here. So are you looking for three total from the assembled multitude, or each of us come up with our own three?

No. It has to be three from this list.

No. No. No. But no. Each person does three.

Each person does three. There we do not need consensus across that. Mean, there's

a ranking.

So so, theoretically, we could with five people

cover everything cover everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You don't Just making sure. Don't need to come to consensus.

Not I'm not looking

at pruning.

I'm looking at efficiency of a process,

and I'm just trying to argue to put new projects on.

Open meeting. So there's, you know, there's no behind the scenes stuff going on.

No. I know. And and I'm just saying that if the object is to pair the pair it down, that's I

appreciate that. Okay. So I'll just do a quick little blurb for each of these, and then we can go to voting. So project number one is around this the Stevens Creek Trail extension project. Again, this is an existing project, and it would continue the trail, excuse me, southward to Sunnyvale and increase trail access.

This project is anticipated to take longer than two years, you know, the total project. So this work plan item is really around that funding agreement and design engineering, getting that started. Project number two, really around facilitating low and moderate income home ownership. Also included in this is addressing barriers to condominium development. This is an existing project seeking to make home homeownership more attainable with that emphasis on entry level first time homeowners.

Also, as was discussed at the committee at the council meeting, we just haven't seen much condominium development, so we'd also be looking at barriers citywide and ways to support additional development with that goal of of it helping to increase homeownership. Oops. R three zoning. So existing project, and these are revisions to the r three zoning development standards. And just for those of you that aren't planners, r three typically means sort of that medium density residential zoning, sort of that townhomes and duplexes and triplexes, small apartment building buildings.

And so this would be updates to better address neighborhood conditions, enable more diverse housing, and create more predictable outcomes for for projects in in that zoning standard.

It is a well underway project

as well. It has been underway. Yes.

Number four, develop a plan for ending the flow of natural gas by 2045. This got is getting connected into the decarbonization strategy. It would be around supporting the city's sustainability and climate resiliency strategic priority. The the city currently has a goal to reach carbon neutrality by 2045, and this project would add the goal of stopping the flow of natural gas on top of that to happen at the same timeline. Five is related to the race, equity, and inclusion action plan, and this one is really focused on the city's legislative priorities.

And so we'd be looking at ways that we can support our thriving and diverse community by taking sort of a legislative approach. Six is around broadband, and so this is the continuation of an existing project. Council did have a study session in February that discussed broadband needs, assessment, and gap analysis. And so this project would be taking the next step of really addressing the findings and develop, you know, in which would include developing a conceptual broadband network. And so we'll be looking at ways to take those findings and start moving forward, improving access to high speed Internet site citywide. So

because that means so many things. Is is this, like, maybe the city having a city operated fiber network for the citizens? Is it other areas of the community that don't have any broadband access at all? Is this about downtown Wi Fi? I mean

Yeah. I mean so council, the study session was about was doing an analysis of what we have now. And I believe there were some recommendations, but it's sort that would be the step is figuring out what does this look like. What what do we do with this information? There are there were actually, at the study session, I mean, a teacher came forward and talked about during COVID how she had students whose families were having to decide between getting sufficient Internet so that their kids could be on school and paying their the needs paying for basic needs in their in their household.

So it's it it has an equity lens associated with it as well. And it's so it's not just focused on downtown. It's looking at the broader needs of the community and trying to ensure act you know, equal access. But this would be part of but if by making it a council priority, we'd be figuring out what that would be and scoping it out. Yes.

Okay. Smart smart water meters. We chatted a little bit about this. So the city did receive a $9,000,000 grant from Valley Water to replace old dialed meters with smart meters, And so inclusion of this project in the work plan would further prioritize the project and could speed up and or expand implementation. And this would be project would include a consultant to design and manage a procurement and vendor installation of existing water meters. And so there is a little bit of a funding gap. I believe the city is putting some funding in to in addition to the Valley Water grant. Is this for commercial? For what what This is I believe this is residential smart water meters. So if that is there a

time frame on the $9,000,000 grant from Valley Water?

I don't have that information. Okay. Project This is with

the smart so, basically, we're saying that then

no one's gonna come out and read

or people are coming out and read the water?

So it

would be yeah. We're moving the old sort of dial ones that and having yeah. Either being able to drive around or in some cases, smart water meters are connected to the Internet, and so can give you leak detection and and they can be read remotely.

Real time.

I don't know sort of what level of smartness these these water meters have, but we haven't this yeah. Or but they want them to be smarter than what we have now. Sure.

Yeah. Like PG and E? E meters. Mhmm. Okay.

And is this also equity wise? Is this for everyone in Mountain View, or is this, like, the 9,000,000? Or they have to scope that out?

Like, is this

Yeah. I don't I don't know, yeah, based on the amount of funding that we have, how they're prioritizing.

Yeah.

Yeah. Part of the challenge, will say, of these projects is we're coming to you at a time when they aren't fully scoped. So we're we're coming to you early, which is a really good thing, but we I don't have all of the information because a lot of it's to be determined. Okay. Number eight.

So this is exploring placing an amendment to the city charter and a revenue measure on the 2026 ballot. This is really around modernizing the language, removing outdated provisions, and cleaning up the city charter, and also exploring potential revenue measure in response to some of the city's budget so budget forecast expected over the next couple of years. Number nine, review and make periodic amendments to the municipal code. Again, this is around kind of somewhat similar to eight. It's around prioritizing and carving out staff time so that we can up make updates to the code to make it more flexible, enforceable, you know, make sure you know, removing outdated language.

And so, again, making it a council priority so that staff can have some dedicated time.

I'm sorry. Amanda, before you move off that, how connected is that to some of the action that's already been taken? So, like, for example, downtown, the mixed use. They there were there was a a city council vote on being able to say, you know, hey. You wanna sell you you wanna be both retail as well as a restaurant kind of thing. Right? And so is this an extension of those activities, or is this something completely different?

Well, I would say, historically, we've been taking an approach of sort of addressing of things as they come up, so being more reactive. My understanding is that this would be wanting a more proactive approach.

But I think this is also not a big policy issue. This is, like, getting rid of stuff that really

Yeah. It is. Don't park your donkey in front of a type of stuff.

Yeah. No.

I get you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I'm

but I'm just saying that there have been and I wanna recognize that the city has made efforts to, you know, move forward, and I wanted to make sure that this was kinda marrying

I think this is, like, one of these AI things. Go through and see what doesn't belong anymore.

Certainly help with staff capacity if we could assign this project to a robot. Okay. Number 10, established design standards. So this is really around streamlining and improving project development. So creating those standards and a set of expectations for developers to move projects through the review process more quickly, really intended to support, you know, well planned developments that fit both the community community's needs and, you know, developers' sort of constraints.

Yeah. And and, again, I'm just looking for tie ins to think actions that have already been are already underway. Does this also tie into the gatekeeper provisions that we're talking about? Because part of the gatekeeper revisions talks about streamlining.

So yeah.

Yeah. I I can't speak to that. Okay. Yeah. Again, this is more of a con conceptual matrix. You know? It I imagine it could, but it you know, this is more of a broad thematic project at this time.

Yeah. And and again, you know, my my my point with all of this is and I think Mike made this point earlier or appended, you know, is that, you know, we've got a bunch of things in action, whether it's the economic vitality strategy, whether it's, you know, the matrix plan, whether it's, you know, the the retail study or whatever. I mean, there's all these different pieces here. And so how do these all funnel in together?

Yeah. It's a it's a great question and comment. Yeah. I appreciate that. And and and staff in doing their analysis, so the staff analysis that's happening behind the scenes right now I mean, staff is very aware of the current stuff that's underway, and so they're as they're providing that analysis, they're making those linkages to try

chip away at the bottom of that iceberg,

you know, by trying it. Awesome.

You know?

Okay. Number 11 is around piloting an autonomous vehicle shuttle. This would be to complement our current community shovel shuttle and explore ways of bringing autonomous vehicles into kinda making them a mass transit option. Okay. Number 12 is develop a downtown vacant storefront window display and pop up program. So this is a lot of what we've talked about at this committee about ways to create a program to activate vacant storefronts and, yeah, bringing bring either engaging different community groups. Yep.

You can tell where all my odd buttons are. Yeah. I'm just wondering if because we've had this discussion here as a group too, is that, you know, the problem with, vacant storefront programs is you gotta talk to the landlords. And sometimes they're not unwilling to talk or or move. And so we've also talked in this group about, well, we've tried the carrot. Do we need to try the stick? And so I'm just curious as if we look at a program a vacant storefront program, will we be looking into policy matters in that direction as well? Or is it simply like, you know, if they say, Greg, we have something we can bring in.

Yeah. So that was something I did bring up at the council meeting, and did say, you know, we'd they'd like to explore ways to get broader participation. So that would be a comment that would be welcome.

Don't worry. Yeah.

Okay. Increase the pavement condition to index to It's right. 71. Yeah. Also, just This is around exploring funding opportunities and developing strategies to improve the overall street pavement. Our current pavement index is at 67, so it's it's not a huge you know? We're we aren't in dire straits, but it's about, you know, kinda making those improvements to get us to the 71 rating. 14, updating council policies, contracts, and other documents. Again, this is very much in line with with eight and nine, so carving out time for staff to be able to review and update, you know, outdated standards and, you know, help the organization to be more efficient. So getting at Peter's goals of efficiency.

And then 15, creating a framework to support volunteer organizations. So this is really around creating clear guidelines and framework for volunteer organizations. You know, it's specifically include groups that interact and collaborate with staff regularly, trying to really streamline the process and make it easier for them to partner. You know? Things like, what are our insurance requirements? What the history is. Yeah. And then lastly, number 16 is around the interim pickleball plan. And so this would initiate a short term solution to increase access to pickleball while we work on the larger feasibility study. And it could could be some examples that came out were expanding or modifying hours of use at existing shared courts or other solutions.

You wouldn't create, I mean, include any creating a small mini pickleball in downtown.

Yeah. Probably not. Although that could be part of your comments. Okay. And with that,

I will send it over to you, Chair, about

how you'd like to go through and elicit feedback.

Set up there. It's

Can you put the slide back up so we can Okay.

Sorry. I'm trying to take notes on my computer at the same time. Okay.

But we all have to sit our hats off.

Right. But

I think we'll just go around and ask everybody, you know, what are your top what are your three? And then we can collate them and see what we got.

Okay. Alright. Who wants to go first then? I'll be taking tallying and also doing notes. So

So, just a a point of discussion here. So, let's say, for example, I have four.

Pick three.

No. No. But I and I go first, and I say I have four. And then after listening to the other people, I would come back in and I'd say, okay. Strike this one off because there seems to be consensus.

Maybe you'd wanna go last then. Yeah. Mhmm. There's no

way. We're we're not trying to come up with a group profile

for sure. I understand that. But if if

Pick the three that are important for you.

I'm gonna go last.

Okay. That's fine. That's fine.

For for our

Everybody recognizes this as an imperfect process, and they're trying to get, you know, a sense of where committee members are coming from.

So And and as and as we've talked about, as we've talked through these, some of

them kind of bleed into other ones too. Right? And so you could say, well, we actually kinda covered that this one.

You know?

So But this is a perfect example of how we must wrestle with priorities and limit and constraints. So

Oh, I'll

go. Wanna jump in?

Yeah. I'll go.

Think I've been looking at the the the item four. I think it's very good idea. I'd like to see

that. K.

Complimented. And then, of course, item number 12, which is the vacant storefront. And then I've been using the shuttle, I mean, quite a bit, and I like to see that or no. Really, I like to put it some kind of small pickleball thing and thing, you know, and have a look at it. Because a lot of people mentioned about pickleballs, and it's getting then they're they're they're commenting it that it could be built on top of those buildings when you're building up on top to pick up

our course

and things like that. In the conversation.

Yeah. People want it downtown, but people in.

So you're saying four, twelve, and sixteen.

Yes. Okay.

Four, twelve, and six.

I'm never giving up my gas furnace.

Me too. I my gas.

Go over. Stop.

I will save it. Put him somewhere.

It's I'm gonna be grand for it.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. I'll go. Okay.

Let's see. 3, number 33, update, seven water meters, and one Stevens Creek Trail.

Alright. 13, and 7. K. Thank you.

I guess we're just going around. I'll go. And I I I obviously have to say a few things before I give you my three. And and that is that one of the things I mean, I am, first of all, going to be speaking strictly from a business standpoint because I, you know, I love

live here.

Well, I'm representing the downtown committee as downtown business association as well as the chamber of commerce. And so I take this from a business lens. But I will say as a human being and a you know, someone who works here and loves Mountain View, mean, I things like Stevens Creek Trail. Oh my god. You know, one of the greatest jewels that we have. I'd love to see that expand. That's not gonna be on my list. I also note too that one of the things that we keep talking about is is the economic vitality strategy and the importance of the matrix study. And I find it interesting that if you look at the strategic priorities, mobility and connect have three. International development and housing operations has three.

Organizational strength and good governance has four. There's only one that says economic vitality. And so that makes me a little bit nervous that it's not getting the gravitas that it should. Now maybe there's, you know, economic vitality is all through the bottom of that iceberg. Don't know.

But all I'm saying is that if we've listed EV as a strategic priority, I'm not seeing that reflected onto the new work plan. Okay. So given all those caveats, nine, ten, and 12. Review the amendments to the municipal code, because it just sucks and especially sucks for small businesses. Established design standards, we have to get that together because there are so many big big projects that are start penciling out because we keep going back to the well of moving the goalposts, and vacant storefronts hurt everyone. So

Great. Thank you. I think you wanna go last, so I will go next. Okay. So I'm I'm trying to do this with the downtown committee hat on, but I think some of my personal feelings are also gonna come sneak sneak in here a little bit. I also agree that I think the downtown storefront but I feel like if they don't specifically say there's the carrot thing here, they're just gonna look at this. And then then I feel like this is a wasted vote because it's gonna be just, like, be in the same circle. So Mhmm. I would like to vote for that, but I'm not going to vote for 12 because of this very issue that you brought

up. Yep.

I'm with Jamil on number four. I actually think there's, like, a lot of work to get, you know, the commercial buildings off of gas also, which is gonna impact downtown. I'm also trying to avoid things, I think, that are already existing priorities to kinda save my vote. I'm also gonna go for 10. And, randomly, I think 11, because I think if we did a pilot, that would actually bring in more economic vitality. If people off a center were like, there's a cool autonomous shuttle that I can take to go to downtown or to San Antonio Center, I think that'll be really exciting for people who want to, you know, who want to to have that experience. I mean, I know my husband wanted to go to San Francisco to ride the Waymo before they came to Mountain View. Right? It's gonna bring, I think, people and interest. So

Kids love it too.

There you go. And then they'll come downtown. They'll play games, get back on

the show,

and go home. Yeah.

Okay. So I had four, ten, and 11. Yes. K. Great. Thank you.

I'm not bad.

Okay. So I'm going to go for, number three. I was on the planning commission years and years ago when that first started. I would like to see that continue to be a priority. And even though it's r three zoning, there still are areas around downtown that could be impacted in a positive way if we can get some little bit higher density and clarification on that. I'm sort of conflicted on number 12.

Sort of Stephanie

saying reasoning. There is support from city council if you have been watching city council meetings regarding this other than eminent domain and saying we're gonna take your your store class, and we're gonna do whatever we want to with it. Anyway so that's sort of a I I haven't decided on that one yet. Definitely, number 10, I think we need more clarity on project development, and that pertains to both residential and commercial. So I think we've definitely that would be helpful.

So I am going to cast my remaining vote for, number eight. And I think that, there is discussion about the ballot, but I think we need to look at our long term budgeting, which really would pertain to working with downtown and being able to create some opportunities for downtown. So that's why. Great.

So it sounds like they have consensus on nothing.

Oh, okay. Number 10. 10.

Yeah. Okay.

Great. Thank you.

And I've taken your comments.

That's what I was saying because we

could give all 15 if we

we all did this right.

Thank you all. Alright.

I just I just wanna say, Amanda, that that, you know,

I thank you for for taking the opinion and taking

a poll here, but I think that the comments that that we all had regarding things are really where where a lot of the meat on this happens. It's not just a a I mean, that that's one of the things that that always kinda scares me a bit when it's like, you know, just vote on this as you is you know? That's why I always hated multiple choice test. You know? Because I wanna say why I picked up, you know, number three or whatever kind of thing. So Well,

I will say taken the LSAT.

You know? I'm drafting the attachment that'll go to the staff report, and it includes both the graph of all the voting, but also the individual comments per project. So both of those will be Thank brought to council.

Okay. That's in my words now.

So so what was so

what was final tally? You

you said that

The final tally. So number number three has three or number one has one vote. Two has zero. Three has two. Four has two. Zero for five. Zero for six. Smart meters has one. Charter has one. Amendment's muni code has one. Design standards has three. Number 10. Number 10. Number 11, Pilot AV, one. Number 12, downtown vacant storefronts has two. Number 13, pavement, zero. Number 14, council updating council policies, templates, other docs, zero. 15, framework for bond two organizations, zero, pickleball, one.

Thank you. Yep. You know, you wanna plug in your smart device you have with your water control?

Right.

Yeah. Yes. In his house. Yes.

Okay. Okay. I don't see

any Anybody on public?

Yeah. Members of the public, if you're online, you're welcome to raise your hand or dial 9. There we go. Yeah. That doesn't look like it.

Okay. Then we will complete number 71 and move on to 72, which is an ad hoc committee with visual arts downtown and performing arts committees.

Yes. So at our last committee meeting, you all received a presentation from the visual arts committee and performing arts committee. I've been talking with the other staff liaisons, and we're looking at ways that we can make more connections between some of the arts and cultural things that are happening here, you know, the Center for Performing Arts with the Pet Pet Mall. There's sort of the the 400 Block creates a little bit of a buffer, you know, if it's not it's not directly connected. So how can we do more to connect those two? And so working to create an ad hoc committee to explore some ideas and potential some potential joint projects. Yeah. So I'll pause it there.

The other committees made their selections?

They have. We are the last ones.

Yeah. Do you know what time they're gonna meet? That's a that's a big one for you.

Yeah. We don't, although it'll be dependent on who's on the we'll we'll establish the meeting times with the committee, the members that were chosen. Yeah.

Isn't it ad hoc? Can it meet virtually?

Great question. I don't know. I'll find out.

And how many meetings are anticipated? Yeah. We're we're anticipating this would

be a, you know, a short term project. So there'd be, you know, a couple handful of meetings to determine some joint projects to work on. But I think ad hoc, they're they're sort of limited in how long they can go on for. So this wouldn't be an existing stand hoc committee. This would be a committee of a of a couple meetings. And in terms of meeting time, yeah, we'll we'll we'll look we'll we will work with the committee members that we have, although we are the odd duck out with our early morning meetings. Everyone else meets after work. So we'll have to see if we can find a time that works for everyone.

Anybody

wanna volunteer? Pamela. Alright. And

we have to

have two bodies? Ideally, we'd

have there's two from the other two. So if we wanna, you know, make sure

I mean,

that's Since we have some people who are not here, do you need to ask them?

I think we'll just go with who we have here today. And if if they're feeling particularly motivated, we can battle that out at a future committee meeting. But I I'd like

to Maybe we can have an alternative.

If someone feels very

strongly We don't wanna make it Yeah. You know, bureaucratic. Oh, you know? Because I don't even think it's a No

one there's no one else. I was like, please. I was like, I'm just worried about

the timing and how this would work from the schedule. But yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll work we'll work with you to find the time that works for them as many people as we can. Yeah. Great. Alright. Thank you.

Great. Thank you.

Moving on to item number eight, committee staff comments, questions, committee reports, blah blah blah. Any has

a lot.

Yeah. So looking back at attachment number three on objects I'm sorry.

One of these one of the document lines.

Attachment line and then it magically attachment three further on. So just looking at and this really goes now back to the topics to the house for future. A number 27, it says in queue quarter two twenty twenty four, blah blah blah. And there's supposed to be study set with planning commission for quarter twenty five and council study sessions in 2025. Can you, in a future meeting, provide us an update on where we're standing on that process?

You're gonna have to give me more information. I'm sorry. Project number 27? Oh, cut the updates of the downtown precise plan?

Right. This is

the 2325 council work plan project status. I'm just curious if there's still on the time frames that we're anticipating. Item number 32 as well. And that goes back to one of the council plans on number two. So number 20, number 32 relates to number two, and now I'm confused on what's going on and what's what are why are we putting this again on a on a?

So I'm gonna ask, have you looked online at any of stuff online to see if those answers are there rather than having staff find out if Some of them

are are are still the old information.

So Right. Well, that is all old information. Okay.

I'm just wondering if and I'm not trying to give you extra work, Amanda. Just wondering if there's other updates that you know about. So I'll go ahead and keep talking. So, Matt, the historical association on the twenty third of, March, we had a walking tour, and we had 11 people participating. And we'll be doing another walking tour on April. It's the fourth Sunday of the month. And there will not be one in May because I'll be out of town. And I also conducted a walking tour for three third grade classes. Two of the

two of the classes were very well behaved.

The last one was not.

And I

won't say what school it was. It was pretty good. I'm I'm just saying that

I was glad that the well, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

Did did he have the teachers with them? What would he use?

Yeah. Yeah.

The teachers and and parents Yeah. Supervisors. But, anyway so the first two were really fun. Last one was a challenge.

Any any other comments?

I mean, this is not a downtown, but I saw I need to bring it to let you know can we know the shuttle bus stop on Frank on Villa At Franklin. It was just a pole there, and they put in this needle bench with two set bands and a blue one, so it's physically challenged people maybe. But it's very well done. It's very nice. I think it's a very good idea. We sell that again On Bella At Franklin. Oh, oh, right. Franklin. I mean, yeah, I know. Yeah. Mhmm. Frost that. So yeah. I mean,

if you

have a chance to look through it, I sat on it. It's a good idea. You know? It tells you where people should wait and things like that on mentally, basically. So Okay. Thank you.

Alright. Seeing no other comments, so we will move on to adjournment. Alright. We'll stand adjourned at 09:16. Thanks, Ling.

Meet you all.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's great

to talk. I was Has nothing to do with downtown committee, but it

was