Downtown Committee - Regular Meeting

Oh, I should take the trip. Okay.

Alright. We will call the meeting to order, and I will just the last time because it's February 3, happy New Year because many of us haven't seen each other, and we haven't had a meeting this year. So, Meta, would you please call the roll?

Thank you. Committee member foreman. I don't see. Is it Ryder? Ryder.

So Let me make

sure I pronounce. Committee member Ryder. Katz?

Here.

Lynn oh, only we only have one Lynn now. Okay. The one the one and only Lynn. Malera's on her way. Sheik? Here. Vice chair Baird?

That's it.

And chair Kasparzak?

Here. Alright. Moving on. Item number three, approval of the minutes. And staff sent out the minutes from the December 2 meeting, and did motion to approve.

And just one one typo was caught. I think I misspelled Manasol's name, so that's been noted.

Okay. So a motion to approve will be in order.

I'll make a motion to approve, please.

Alright. Now that Jamal made the motion, is there a second? Second. Alright. Before we vote, is there any public input on the minutes?

No one online.

Okay. Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. Hearing none, the motion passes.

The thing because I wasn't there.

Okay. But they still have to be approved whether you were here

or not. Well, I understand. I know

this is this is this is the great debate. If you weren't there, do you have to abstain? No. You don't. But you can. Okay. Alright.

We don't have a quorum if he doesn't. I guess we have

Once you have once you have a quorum, you maintain a quorum unless there's a quorum call.

Robert's rules of order.

Okay. Item number four, upcoming agenda topics. This portion of the agenda is reserved for identifying agenda items for future meetings, and Amanda has a nice sort of list of things that are in the docket. We, of course, cannot discuss any of them, but is there anything that people would like to see that isn't on that list?

Pamela? Yes. I noticed walking down Castro Street, the most of the street murals are covered up with a green indoor, outdoor thing.

We will get information about that in our next item. Okay. And then we'll see

if we can have an update on

That's in the yep.

Good catch, though. Seeing

nothing else, we will move on to item five, oral communications from the public. This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public wishing to address the committee on any matter that is not on today's agenda. And speakers are limited to three minutes, and state law prohibits the committee from taking action on any nonagendized items. Any any oral communications from our public that's here? Seeing none, is there any online? None online. Alright. We will close oral communications from the public, move on to item six, unfinished business at 6.1, Castro Street update on Tampa.

That is neat. I've got, oh, let's see. As to share my whole screen, I have a bunch of things to show you all. So as Yeah. Pam up. We there's a lot going on downtown on Castor Street, but I wanna share sound.

And

the biggest thing well, first, I'll just note this. The Downtown Digest is out. I have copies on the table there. Our email list continues to grow, which is great. We're seeing pretty good open rates. But if you have some friends that you'd like to take some to, please take some extra digest. Please share. Yeah. There's lots of good information in there.

You got it. Bunch of them. Alright.

Thanks, Jamil. I I printed extra because I figured you'd wanna get some. Okay. So the big the big thing happening downtown this weekend is the FamFest tailgate, and that's supposed to say party. We're missing a y. Party. But there is a lot going on around Super Bowl aka the big game aka the football championship.

SB sixty.

Right. SB sixty. And so there are a number of things that are happening. The first is we are hosting a tailgate party downtown, and this is gonna be the Saturday before Super Bowl, so that is two to five. As Pam mentioned, we have turf that's been installed in the downtown. It is for that event. So we're gonna have turf out there. We're gonna have giant oversized games. You can see some of them. You've got the field goal challenge that'll be on Castor Street.

There's this bungee football thing where you get strapped in and you're like it's sort of like a tug of war. We have a great band that we'll be playing. We have giveaways. And then the businesses have really leaned in and have created a tailgate menu. So they have specials where you can go and purchase tailgate items from different businesses downtown. So it should be really a good time. And in the spirit of that, I just wanted to show a little video that we created to promote.

What's that?

So just a little

That's fun. Just a

little fun there. But we've been promoting on social media. The chamber has been a really excellent partner with engaging businesses, and we've been promoting business specials. And we have created what we're calling our FanFest map, and we've been promoting this. And so this is an online interactive map that it has that businesses have submitted special deals to us.

Like, good example, Dandy's. If you show up with your jersey, they'll give you $10 off a haircut, 10% off at Ava's for Wagyu beef patties. So there's real tangible deals that businesses are really leaning in, which is exciting. And, yeah, this map is it's citywide. There's obviously a a concentration in downtown since we have so much activation down here, but this is another way that we're really trying to drive traffic to downtown. Peter, do wanna add anything?

Well, I just wanna say that the nice thing is is that the businesses that are participating are not just restaurants or bars.

Yeah. You know?

That there there's other things that people will want to do or things that are ancillary. You know? And I mentioned a couple of things there. And also that it's not just downtown. I think both of those points are important. Now if only John would answer our calls. But but yeah. And and so, like, on the map there, can see, like, the sports pro. I mean, talk about an old vintage place to watch, you know, watch the game or whatever. You know? That's on the map, you know, and other things too. So we encourage people to be about talent.

And when I created this slide deck last week, we were already up to 1,300 views of the map. So it's getting a lot of we're getting eyeballs on it. I imagine we have a number of ads that are running in the town prior, in Mountain View Voice.

And we get three or four phone calls a day on it.

Oh, okay. Oh. So so it's really great. And I'll just say we are seeing this as a really great opportunity to test some concepts out as we head into World Cup later this year. So there'll be some good lessons learned that we can take it with us as we move forward.

Yeah. So

I really understand what Peter was saying. We should go, Peter. Any business in Mountain View should first ask him, do we have any Super Bowl specials? Yeah.

There you go.

Or before he go.

You should are you on the FanFest map? Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Please do. And if they are not and wish to be, they can go on to the the website and sign up.

Thank you.

It's a very, very quick, simple setup.

Yeah. We have a a a survey that's easy, and Kristen's been updating the map in almost in real time. So we've been really responsive, which I think is important. Go ahead. Come on.

Thanks. I'm just curious. Obviously, there's marketing dollars involved or dollars of staff trying to do this. Was does this city have a slush fund for these kinds of things, or was this part of city council's master plan two years ago? Yeah. Same for the

World Cup.

Yeah. That it's a great question. So December, 2025 council approved about $300,000 to go towards the Super Bowl and World Cup activations. They also approved a grant to the Mountain View Chamber to help us help us with the business activation. So this was a really intentional move that they made. I think it was December the first meeting in December. Well, the only meeting in December. Right.

Other than seeing, like, clicks and stuff, do you have a sense of is there any sort of, like, preregistration that, you know, just let us know you're coming, yada yada, where we have a sense of

For this, we're not. Because it's gonna be outdoors on the Ped Mall, you know, there's no way for us to check registration. So but

Well, not that people actually we we check it,

but they would sort of

I'm RSVPing that I'm coming. Yeah.

Yeah. We're not doing RSVPs, but we have a dynamic QR code that's on all of the materials. So that'll give us information about who who's accessing that. We obviously have the the counter on the map itself. We have, you know, data about the web page. And then Kirsten and I will be on-site staffing the event, and so, you know, we'll be kind of trying to get a sense of, okay, how big is this? What's what's the interest been? But it's sort of that it's sort of an interesting like, what are we hoping for? Well, we want people to show up, but we don't want too many people to show up. Right? It's like we want the right the Goldilocks amount of people to come downtown and enjoy and shop and and utilize the businesses.

Will the police department have an extra patrol walking around, making sure people's back pockets are not

So police is aware of the event. They have a number of things that they're they're solving for this weekend, but they have a they are they are staffing downtown since they know that we're gonna have this large event. Obviously, things will be busy the following day for Super Bowl portions of downtown. The street will be closed close to the train station. So there's gonna be a lot of moving pieces downtown. Yeah. Cool. I will say I'm in communications with with the police department. I I will have a phone number, like, to call if we you know? So I'll have a point of contact day of as well. And police and fire both have my cell, so we'll be in communication.

Yeah. So I take the train. So around the parking lot already is caution tape, so I assume that they sort of be putting a barricades or whatever to Yeah.

It's It's interesting for Super Bowl fifty. There there was, like, no usage of there's no transfer from train to light rail. I mean, they had all these corrals set up and everything, and there were, like, 20 people.

You know? It's like We'll be interested to see. I mean, I believe last year, we had, like, paid parking opportunities that weren't really utilized. So I I think we wanna be prepared for everything and you know, so that no matter what what happens, we're yeah.

Yeah. That's we were expecting people to come down and park in the garages or Yeah. Like, you know, like

The the

goal is really to have people come down the day before. You know? Avoid the Super Bowl you know, watch the Super Bowl at home or at one of our watch parties at one of our businesses, but come down and celebrate community the day before. Yeah.

So I see the transit center. They had the banners and its markings to go to the light rail on ground, all that. So it looks like that Super Bowl is here. Mhmm. But when you walk through it, look at the businesses, you don't see those things. Like, there are no banners saying that we're ready for Super Bowl or something. Or

Yeah. You know, we've been working, kind of we're we're there's a lot that's gonna happen in the next couple days. So the turf went out yesterday. There's gonna be sidewalk decals installed. We're putting flags up. We're gonna have oversize, like like, foam football related things. We're bringing out this giant these giant letters, m v. I mean, they're literally gonna be as tall as I am. So there's gonna be a lot coming just in the days as we lead up to Saturday. So I would imagine every time you come downtown, every day, there will be something new down there.

So we're really trying to build some energy and excitement. I will say, you know, Super Bowl is coming at us very quickly after the holidays. So we are doing our best to get, you know, ramped up, but it's been a really short runway just as we've, you know, everything shut down for a couple of weeks ago. Good luck.

I'll be in rainy Honolulu. So Wah wah.

Poor guy.

It it is gonna be raining. It's like, oh, we got a threat hitting the monsoon.

I don't think we feel bad for you. I know. Am.

Can probably hit it too on Sunday, they say.

Cloudy on Sunday. Oh gosh. You gave okay. Not rainy. Gave the rainy. No.

Peter, did you

have your hand up? I did not. I

was Okay.

Doing this.

Oh, okay. Alright.

Okay. Moving right along. The other thing that is happening downtown on Saturday is the pop our the grand opening of our pop up. So this has been over a year in the making. The economic development team brought on a consultant, Moment, who specializes in place making and pop ups.

They have a number of pop ups in Downtown San Jose. There is or was one at the Google Visitor Center, and we are officially opening up on the 200 Block Of Castro Street on Sunday. And just in the spirit of having some fun oops. I just wanted to show. These are some of the small biz there's four small businesses that will be opening up in, the spot. So you can see

the products that they'll have,

the small needs the small businesses, through the banner, don't eat meat because they all have these little character caricatures that they Are they next to So they're right next to Made By. Yeah. Which is really, to me, kind of an exciting place for them to be. This is becoming like, the 200 Block is sort of we can

The makerspace.

Retail central in a way. You know, we've got WeFashion. We have makerspace. We have this store. So it's it's gonna be really exciting to have them open. So there's a ribbon cutting at noon. The mayor will be there. I will be there. Kirsten will be there. The chamber will be there. And we'll have Nancy g, the property owner, who's been a really great partner. Nancy. We're really appreciative. I mean, our our biggest challenge has been finding a property owner willing to work with the program. And that's why, you know, I'll I will say candidly why it took us a year to it's been a year finding a location, and so Nancy's been a really amazing partner for us.

Why is it they don't want why why is it property managers still wanna partner with the city?

Well, this program, there was sort of a guaranteed base rent. And then if the businesses do well, they pay more rent, but there isn't necessarily a guaranteed market rate rent. There's the likelihood that they would get there. So there's it's sort of a different rental approach. And so I think a lot of downtown property owners, one, want market or above market rent.

Or Or they wanna be available to rent should somebody come along. Right. Tied up for a year.

It's a year long lease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's a been a variety of challenges that we've we've faced. But this again, it's a huge win as we continue to talk about downtown vacancy, as we continue to talk about activation. One of the things that's really great about Moment is they are good at activation. They have been really aggressive with their social media campaigns. They put together great videos as you can see. So they're a really great partner, and I think not only are they gonna help drive traffic to the pop up, but they're gonna help drive traffic to downtown. And so there's an opportunity here for us to capture, you know, new visitors.

Yeah. We hope we hope that this also is an example, you know, and that other biz you know, other property owners are looking at, oh, this actually worked. You

know? Yeah.

We we've tried activations before. The chamber has, the city has, and so on. And the reasons that you get for some of property owners are all over the map from perplexing to just downright dumb. And, you know, being tied up for a year, okay, I get it. But it would be empty, you know, and things like that. And then there's others that say, no. We just don't wanna take the liability or we don't wanna take the risk or we don't wanna be confused with this kind of store that we're not, you know, kind of thing. And it's it's really amazing.

You never hear back.

Or you never hear. That that's from the ones

we hear from you.

Yeah. Yeah. And so and so, you know, I applaud the city for for their commitment to making this happen and and understand what a process it is. And I'm not at all surprised that Nancy was our shining star who came through. Yeah. She was our shining shining star that came through the last time we did an activation. But, you know, I I just really would love to get some I would love to have pictures and and social media and everything that just says, you are really stupid if you don't take advantage of this to,

you know,

in in more polite terms. But, you

know Well, at the chamber, we're gonna have that message. Thank

you very much. But just so you know, it's it's it's just it's it's in some ways, you just kinda scratch your head.

Yeah. It's surprising too. Yeah.

But I will say, I'll take two last comments on this, and then I I will move on. The first being, you know, if you're walking downtown, you'll see, you know, vacant storefronts are being filled. And so we we've seen a number of new businesses come into the downtown, which is really great. We have a couple of persist what I'll call persistent vacancies that we're continuing to work on, but this is a real win of moving the needle. And it would be great if, you know, I just would like to invite you all to attend the the grand opening if you're available on Sunday. It'll it it is just a really big win for downtown.

And they already started setting things up.

Saw Oh, yes. Grand opening. Inside. They have a they have a soft opening in December trying to get ahead of the Christmas holiday. So it's set up, but this is sort of the official they'll have official hours. So we can do some shopping. Okay. And then we have a number of really exciting art related updates, and I'm gonna hand it over to Kristen. Yay. Yeah.

Okay. So you guys may know the visual arts committee annually selects exhibits to display in the lobby of the Center for Performing Arts. And as part of an ad hoc committee with the downtown visual arts and performing arts committee, We're planning a pilot artist reception gallery talk with the artist who's currently exhibiting. So it's Don Hirschman. His exhibit is the art of code switching, so it examines identity, language, culture, and the ways that individuals navigate multiple social spaces.

So we're doing this, reception on Tuesday, February 17. In the evening. We are asking people to register just so we can keep track of attendance. And yeah. But it's free free to register, and we'll have food and wine, and and we're really excited for this. And Don has done a number of artist talks, and so he's he's really it like, couldn't have worked out better, the timing and the person that we're doing this with. So we're really excited to to get this going. And just to note

on this, this as Christian mentioned, this is a collaboration between our committee, the downtown, and the visual arts committee, and the performing arts committee. And this has been an item you know, this collaboration has been on our work plan for a number of years. So this is a huge win for us in being able to move forward a long standing item on our work plan. Both Stephanie and Pam served on our subcommittee. I don't know if you have anything you wanna add. Just No.

Great.

Go ahead.

Well, I was just going to ask if this is gonna become a part of a regular repertoire. Like, maybe, you know, every six months we do something like this. So

Yeah. I think I mean, this is gonna be a good test run on how we can get this done. I know the visual arts committee would be really excited to be able to do more of these, and I think through the public art strategy and, you know, potentially hiring another staff person to manage public art would give our team more capacity to be able to do that.

So I

think, you know, being able to do this as a pilot is us being able to see, you know, how much how much effort are we needing to put into planning all of this and can we get it done and how frequently. Frequently. So yeah.

And how interested are people?

I mean,

I think Yeah. You know, that's the big piece. We need people to show up. If it's a huge success, then then we know this is something the community is really interested in.

Mhmm. Do you have a success goal? I mean, you know, is a 100 people the right number? Is 400 people the right I mean, any idea?

I think maximum is a 150, 200, and we're gonna be in second stage. So right where we do tech showcase talks and so, I mean, that would be absolutely amazing. We I think we've planned for, you know, variety of attendance and being able to shift if there's not

a lot of

people show up, and it's a smaller, more intimate group. But, yeah, I think it would be

great if we could have Yeah.

50. 50 people. Got

a postcard.

Future gets sponsored. Oh, nice.

Oh, we got a postcard. Let's go.

We got the postcard, like, yesterday, I think. Yay.

That's great. That's been a a big part of our marketing was sending postcards out. So good. Good to hear you on.

On the little the little TV. Yeah. The marketing over here.

Alright. It's working.

Since since we're talking about the Performing Arts Center for a second, is the city going to be doing any sort of analysis of if Theater Works is able to consummate the Coverly theater deal?

You know, that is not something our team works on. We could certainly find out, but that would be yeah. We'd we'd wanna talk to the community service department.

Impacts for the downtown business community as well if Theater Works were no longer a home company. Right. Which I think is a couple years down the road.

But they're working on it.

But they're working on it.

Knowing the Palo Alto way of doing things, they'll have a committee, and then they'll have another committee, and then another committee, and then maybe ten years from now,

they'll Process is our most important product. Yeah.

Alright. Hey.

Next next product update. This is another thing that's been a year in the making, if not more. So the Bollard Beautification Project, we started this in, the 2024. We did a call for artists, and the visual arts committee selected six artists at the time to do art and to paint several bollards along Castro Street. So and I you know, we've talked about this contractor's license requirement that came up and interpretation of state code, and and that all of a sudden, learned that Muralist needed to be a licensed contractor.

So there was a bill that passed effective January 1 that exempts them from needing a contractor's license or able to move forward with the project. We're moving forward with five of the artists. One wasn't able to participate, but we're really excited. These are their proposals, so it may not look exactly like this, but this is what the visual arts committee had approved. They'll be throughout the one hundred to three hundred block. Each artist is gonna paint two, so they're supposed to be kind of a pair at the intersection. And we're working on scheduling those for March or April. We couldn't get all there's a few things few operational things in progress, but we're finalizing those schedules now.

Do you all, like, notify people when it's happened? I think my kid would be so into just watching and paint it.

I'm just

letting you know. Like

Yeah. Every so each artist will have a week period to do the installation. So we'll post and share information about when they're gonna be going out to paint so people can go out and interact with them and and watch them.

Will be painted on-site.

Mhmm. Yep.

Two quick questions. One is, will there be any kind of plaque or identification of the artist or of the works or anything like that?

It's a good question. Think we'll have to talk with Public Works about how to get that adhered to the board. And I

think we're you know, we really want to they'll they'll be on our art maps, so there'll a way for people to get more information. And certainly, you know, we've talked about having, you know, an like, something printed, but, you know, it's these are ideas we've tossed around. If they probably won't immediately have anything, but we'll certainly be doing promotion to try and make that connection. Yeah.

I think the other point too is the the bollards are technically temp it's technically temporary art. So how long they'll be up, we're not entirely sure. You know, I think the the paint on the solid colors on these bollards has lasted I think it's been over a year Mhmm. With some kind of smudging on them, kids probably climbing on them and stuff. But so, you know, they could change in the future too.

The the second question I had is, does the legislation that passed, does that have positive impact on other mural sites that we were considering?

Yeah. It and so for all murals or all mural projects, a muralist wouldn't need to be a licensed contractor. So so it provides more opportunity, really. And this is it's directly related to public projects. So this would be for, you know, cities hiring someone. If a private business wanted to hire a muralist to paint on their building, then they're they're, you know, they're able to they were able to do that before. They're able to do that now without the artist needing to get a contractor's license. But now if if the city's involved, if they're getting a facade grant to do a mural, then there's less restrictions. Both.

Okay. Are we getting any, I mean, request from other businesses? Because some businesses wanted to put Mural. You know? Like, remember, you know, just one there.

Yeah. Yeah. We have we've heard from a few businesses. So I know Odd Fellows was really interested in getting a facade grant. They're not, unfortunately, eligible right now. The facade grant program was approved with stipulation that the business had to be a personal service, retail restaurant. Amanda and I are working on some updates to the facade program that might expand eligible uses and kind of create more flexibility in the program, but I think that that's planned to go to council in March.

But they could still move forward on their own without city funding. I mean, that's that's the thing. We'd love to see more murals in the downtown, and any business could move forward. You know, we'd be happy to connect them with artists if they're interested, you know, help to to make that connection. Kristen's been a really great resource in helping with permitting and getting through all of that. But any business at any time, we'd love to Mhmm. Have a conversation if they are interested and wanna move forward. You know, they may or may not be eligible for some grant funding, but we'd love to just see more art in the downtown. Mhmm. Yeah.

Right. Can you like CSA and just paint their own?

Right. Yeah. So we've got just a couple more art updates for you, and then I I see Diana's here from the planning team.

Yeah. So so the Train Depot Public Art. So arts Mountain View local nonprofit run by one single person. She who's really interested in just bringing more art to the community. She received a grant from VTA to put art in Downtown Mountain View.

So, we've been working with her for a year or so, and she Arts Mountain View, worked with the visual arts committee to help find artists to place art on the Train Depot Building. They selected John Patrick Thomas, who is also doing a bullard. And the these are the designs that he created. The goal was to be vibrant, to represent history of Mountain View. They got some valuable guidance from Mountain View Historical Association, and I'm creating the panels or the designs.

And, yeah, so I think the the installation, it hasn't been scheduled yet, but it should be done by May. So thinking in the next few months, another thing that we'll definitely share about once it's up, and we'll be planning a a ribbon cutting for this as well. This this was a really huge collaborative effort between multiple groups, like Arts Mountain View, City, Historical Association, VTA, Caltrain. There's been a lot of involvement from from different groups.

So Is it a single panel, or is it eight panels scattered around?

Eight panels scattered around. So it it'll be on so Savvy Sellers is sitting kind of on the side. Mhmm. It's going to curve around the opposite side of the building. Yeah.

And is there are there any plans to make any of that permanent? I mean, the whole reason for doing the panels at one point was because of this contractor problem. But, you know, are there any plans to make any of these panels permanent?

I mean, the goal is to keep them up. Yeah.

Has has the city ever thought about having it, like, a live mural thing. You will you put a board in there and then let the kids go with this pen, draw everything up. And every day, erase the whole thing, and next day, it's a different thing.

That sounds fun. I I we haven't we haven't talked about that, but that sounds like a fun idea.

Yeah. Do interactive art

like that. That that the art wall at Art and Wine Festival.

Art and Wine. Yeah. Interesting.

Okay.

Alright.

What do

we do with that?

We don't do anything.

If they have offered for us like, if we wanted to buy the pieces, and we could have it exhibited somewhere, But we've never looked into it. But he usually just

Takes it away.

Cleans it and uses it for another bathroom.

And then lastly, I asked a person to bring a public art strategy update. We've gotten some survey feedback, which has been really exciting. There's been prioritization of the downtown, which so I thought would be

helpful for you all to hear.

Yeah. Hopefully, everyone here filled out the survey. It did close in December. And so we had 306 total survey responses, over 450 in person participants, which was really great. We we went to Dia de Muertos, the senior center, monster bash, you know, the tree lightning, and we just had constant interaction, which was it was really awesome.

And if you had a chance to see us at any of those events, we had a big art installation. People could participate in creating these, like, big bubble letters, which I'm actually getting today. And they you could write what type of art you wanna see in Mountain View, and then these pieces of plastic were put onto these these blow up bubble letters that we can use at different things or whatever. You can display in the rotunda downstairs. But it's kind of a way to show how you could use single use plastics to create art, and people can be involved in in doing this.

And there's a a fun way to get people to come to our booth too. But so this is some of the responses from our survey. So it doesn't equal to a 100 because there were more answer or more options in this. There was multiple choice. You could choose, I think, up to three or something. But so these are kind of the top preferences by categories. So people really wanna see murals. They really wanna see art in downtown. And in terms of how like, what the role of art is in Mountain View, the top response is providing opportunities for people to experience art that enriches their life. My favorite is the bringing a sense of whimsy and delight to everyday spaces, but that it's a close close tie almost.

And so our next steps, we're kind of taking in all the feedback that we've gotten from the public. We're finishing up some stakeholder interviews with artists, talking to some developers about art and private projects, and we're just going to be kind of blending all this feedback with a vision that the VAC has already had and creating the strategies, the goals, and recommended action items. And so I think we're anticipating council adoption by fall. Certainly, the visual arts committee will review a draft before then. We're thinking in the spring. Yeah.

But, yeah, exactly as we're talking about. Murals downtown. Yeah. The survey reflects that. Yes. Okay. And just the final update about the farmer's market. So as I reported out on at our last meeting in December, Lot 12 will be going offline on February 10 for the development of an affordable housing development. And as you may or may not know, when the farmer's market is not able to be at the Caltrain station, that's usually on 49 or home games, they need to move to an alternate location, which was formerly Lot 12. But we have worked with the farmer's market and have identified another location.

So you can see here Lots 4 And 8, which are essentially at on Hope Street at Ella Evelyn And Villa will be where the farmer's market is moving to. So that will be future spot probably in the fall when we when football starts back up again.

Until they build the hotel.

And depending development on this site, this is where they will be.

Yeah.

Just a question on safety. Will there be extra guards of any sort or traffic moderation for Hope Street?

So the Farmer's Market has a full plan in place for helping people to move between Lots 4 And 8. Yes. And we've been working with the city traffic engineer to ensure that there's proper signage, there's proper the the orientation of the market. They're they're very being very intentional about how they set it up and staff it.

Yeah. Just so Stephanie may also know that Mount TV Historical Association news director or or newsletter director. We are looking at writing an article on murals and artwork in downtown. You know? Oh, fun. It's coming up. If it's once printed, I'll bring it over. You know?

Nice. Yeah.

Excuse me. Separate article I'm working on.

So yes.

Alright. And that concludes staff's presentation. Mhmm.

Okay. Good stuff.

Thanks.

Any questions? Any public input on item 6.1? Any online?

I see one person online. If you wanna raise your hand if you have any comments you'd like to make.

Is that Bruce?

No. Mary. Yeah. I'm not seeing any hands raised. Yeah.

Alright. Then we will move on to item 6.2, downtown development update, and and we got you got that one?

Yeah. Morning, everybody. Excited to be back. I have one item that I wanted to give you an update on. But before I go into that, I wanted to ask if you all have any questions for what you see on your regular projects that we have.

Okay. Just one comment. I know we're walking up there that that what the second block, that plastic, You know? It it started, and I walked through those barriers, the safety barrier. I just wanna say that's very well done. You know? It's very nice. I felt very comfortable, like, walking through it. It's very well done.

Yeah. We're excited to see that project move forward, and it was a good collaboration that they checked in with us before since we have our event and activations taking place. But, yeah, they did it. They're doing a a good job with that one.

Any others? Nope. Okay. So then the one thing that I wanted to bring everybody's attention, we have underlined as well, so it's hard to miss, is the citywide project. Just wanted to give you an update on the downtown precise plan.

So as mentioned in the memo, you know, we have some recent state laws, which have been passed by the legislators eighty one thirty, which basically for streamlining of CEQUA for development projects, and then SB 79, which allows, streamlining housing development and higher intensities near transit stops. So city council has directed staff to, you know, recently looking through efforts to implement both the state laws, and they're complicated. So a lot of staffing resources has been diverted. We went to the city council on January 27. Their campus provided us to.

And, of course, I think most challenging part of that study session item was balancing of the staffing resources and getting direction from council on, you know, which time they would like us to explore in the implementation of, especially s p 79, but it's so complicated. For s p 79, we have, five, transit stops within Mountain View, which qualify under s p 79. And, two of them are tier one, stops, which allow very high intensity near transit stops, and, three light rail stations. So the two tier ones are the stations down from San Antonio, and then the three stations that we have, Middlefield station, the station, station, and then there's one in Bayshore. So the station the station in Bayshore is not in the city of Mountain View, but the impact area is half of the impact area is all in Mountain View.

So we still have to consider that. So, yeah, a lot of staffing resources has been diverted with immediate effect to implement those, and that definitely, you know, required moving the resources from some of our, advanced planning projects. And, of course, downtown precise plan was a big one because a lot of the area within the downtown has been covered under s p 79 impact area. So it just made more sense to move forward more judiciously, before, you know, coming up with, say, land use alternative, options for the downtown size line. Just wanted to give you an update on that.

Yeah. And because of the delays, are there any, like, downtown projects where the developers or property owners are being told, well, we're not gonna do anything until the new precise plan is done, or you're still capable able to move through the current process if if you want. I mean, I know sometimes staff gets you know, we're we're kind of trying not to do anything until we're done sort of stuff. So how's

We haven't heard any pushback like that at all. So whoever is in the pipeline or, you know, has an application is they're they're moving forward. Okay. And then very often, you get the request from interested parties for the on, you know, what can we do. So we constantly give Okay. You know, them whatever the parameters are. People are very much aware of s p 79. So s p 79 comes into effect July 1. So starting July 1, the state law will become effective. The cities do have a option to adopt a local alternative plan, but that requires first developing a local alternative plan, then going to HCD, first to cancel.

And then if cancel approves, going to HCD for them to approve it. They have sixty days. SB 79 also requires, and for us, the MPOs, the MTC, to provide us the map of what is really the affected area. And, we have been in close association with, MPC, any bag on this, and they have not provided the maps yet. And we are in February.

If it becomes effective in July, this is, looks nearly impossible for somebody to say, oh, yeah. This is exactly accurate impact area that we have identified. The other thing is all the neighboring jurisdictions are in the same boat. We're trying to get some clarification from HCD on tell us what does this mean in the legislation. Very similar to all the other recent legislation. It's not very clearly written. There are

they just don't do not

understand what what does it really mean on certain aspects. And I met with HCD, I think, mid January, and, yeah, there was no indication of any clarification coming out any time. So that is impacting a little bit of the work, but we got very clear direction from council to kind of look at exclusion ordinance for historic resources, existing historic resources in downtown. So that will be something that, staff will be working on con as it relates to s p 79. And then a v one thirty, we'll just move forward with streamlining, some code amendments to streamline that process.

Yep. Other questions?

Did the city council, and I watched part of that. I don't remember.

Considering it during the optional, local alternatives plan. Yeah. But I think, looking at the time frame, they directed staff to do the exclusion ordinance first and then come back and, you know, devote resources towards the preparing an alternative plan.

Any

public input on the development? Seeing me hands on Alright.

Is that it?

Yep.

Alright. Thank you, Dan. We will then close out item 6.2 and move on to item seven, new business. And the first item there, 7.1, is the Mountain View neighborhood small business center.

Thank you.

Hello. Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for having us. Thank you very much, Jamil, Amanda, Kristen, for the invitation. This is a a very nice forum for us to to spread the word about what we're going to implement here in Mountain View. We're here on behalf of Enterprise Foundation. I'm Sam Weatherdansky Stanford. I'm the programs director of Enterprise Foundation. And here's Dennis King, our executive

director. Well,

a little bit about us. If you can what it does what's the slide, please? A little bit about us. We were founded in 2007. Thanks to the vision

of the

gentleman. Since then, we have been strengthening and increasing opportunities for small business owners and entrepreneurs throughout Santa Clara County and beyond. And what we have done through these through these years is we have hosted three small business development center programs. Those are federally funded programs. We have assisted the launching of 700 plus businesses in the county.

We have helped gain access to 160, plus million in capital infusion for small business owners and entrepreneurs and also administered, 10 grant programs during COVID with different cities like Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Epiras, San Jose, the county of Santa Clara, and the state of of California. And we have provide we have been providing services in seven plus languages. All of this, thanks to the partnership that we have built during that time with government agencies, with local stakeholders, with community based organizations like the city of Mountain View and the chamber.

We invested in this. One place.

Okay. Our vision is pretty simple. We envision an economy where diverse ownership is a path to prosperity. So we break barriers in to opportunity, to technical knowledge, to capital, and we bridge this gap between entrepreneurs and opportunity to build resilient and scalable businesses in the county. The county has been our partner for twelve years, our main partner, so we were pretty proud of that relationship.

If we go to the next one, please. This is a little bit of our numbers. Just in the past four years, we exceeded our main goal that was, at that time, the creation of new businesses. We exceeded it by 180 through these one on one sessions. That's our most important tool to to do that, and we provided in the order of 11,001 on one sessions helping 2,300 clients and which represented the creation or retention of 2,000 jobs and a capital allocation of 40 of $40,000,000 during the setback for for the use.

Something important to say is that most of our clients have been already rejected by banks to get that loan that they needed. So we help them put together that loan package, build financial projections, put up put together a strong business case. And now the exciting part. We're introducing the Mountain View neighborhood small business center. This is a program specific for Mountain View and designed by a lot of the main stakeholders in Mountain View.

It is funded by the BTA, transit oriented communities, grant program. So it is transportation focused business support near the the transit center, both covering the whole city. And this is a ten month long support for small business owners and entrepreneurs so they can launch or grow their their business, well, as accelerate their their their rhythm or, well, build a more resilient businesses through this, changing economy. The core value proposition is our bread and butter, our one on one sessions and, well, workshops, intensive training sessions, and also, very important to support early stage and home based entrepreneurs, in the city. So and all services, thanks to our sponsors and, thanks to our partnership with the city and and the chamber are free for Mountain View based small businesses and and entrepreneurs.

Mhmm.

Thank you.

Is our preliminary program scale. As you can see, we're having our kickoff event later this month, February 26. Please join us. It would be a very nice opportunity to engage with the the stakeholders of the ecosystem. It's going it's going to be held at the Mountain View community center, and we're going to have those advice advising services throughout the the whole program.

As you can see Next slide. Yes, please. There are four workshops throughout the the program on transit connected business tools, doing business with public agencies, business storytelling, and policy panels, And between between the workshops, we're going to have four training intensive sessions on fundamentals, on financial readiness and access to capital, on customer experience and branding, and business planning and resilience. This is our idea, but we want to fine tune our program using, the feedback from the community here because we want this plan to reflect the local priorities, not ours. So we're going to launch a survey so we can collect that feedback.

It is a pretty short survey. In less than five minutes, small business owners or stakeholders can answer some priorities there. BTA also added a couple of questions. They want to understand how they can provide better services so so the business community can engage even more with the transit center. So this would be very important for us.

And this is also an opportunity not not to fine tune the pro not just to fine tune the program, but also to find any gaps that we can have in our pool of advisers. So how to apply for services? It's it's pretty straightforward. I mean, we just have to call us or send us an email, and our our intake coordinator, She's bilingual. She can she will provide a form to capture your needs, and then we will match you with a with a with an adviser.

The adviser will reach out, to set up a meeting and to agree in which would be the the most convenient, format of the meeting. If it is virtual or if it is in person, we're planning to, have in person meetings in the public library study rooms, but also throughout the coffee shops in the in near the the transit center. While this is a program open for all the Mountain View residents and small businesses placed here, There's a strong priority also in businesses located near the the transit site center.

Within just a note there, which is part of the reason we're wanting to connect connect with the committee since the downtown is a big part of that that geographic area.

Exactly. Exactly. That's what is very relevant for us. About the kickoff event, as I mentioned, February 26 from two to 03:30PM at the Mountain Development Center. Is the the sit up room at the sit up room.

And this is going to be an opportunity to learn what the program offers, but also to engage with some of our business advisers and, well, an opportunity to for a nice networking with stakeholders, fellow entrepreneurs, small business owners, ecosystem leaders. Plus, we it will be free, and we will have refreshment at small bites there. Thank you very much for for helping us and in hosting that event in the at the Mountain View Community Center. There's the the

oh, sorry. We do

go back at what? That's the the the link to register to the Eventbrite website for the for the event. Of course, I'm gonna send you an invitation to all of you if I through Amanda. So please join us. It would be very nice to have you there, and and we'll also learn a lot about your experience and how to bring most valuable product for the for the Mountain View City.

And and that's it. Please reach out if you have any questions, comments. We we're going to have right now some of the actual session. But if you have, after that, any questions that you get, like, want to get involved in some somehow, that's my email and and mobile phone. Thank you very much again.

Thank you so much.

So so I was just at the mayor's innovation project, and during their they they do a thing like cities, like, what they're doing new and special. One of the one of the cities was doing something where they have this business development program, and they decided but we're not doing anything with nonprofits. So our nonprofits that either want to establish because there's a need, are they able to avail themselves of the business development center as well? Because they are new employers and providing services. They're just, you know, not in it for the profit.

I don't think nonprofit starters are considered entrepreneurs, but they should be. They should be. So would they would they could nonprofits avail them? New not new startup nonprofits and stuff.

One very good thing about using this vehicle that is the multi view transit oriented communities grant program is that we don't have restrictions in terms of serving businesses for profit

businesses or Okay.

All the restriction that we used to have in the past. So, yeah, we're we're going to be able to provide assistance also for nonprofits that want to grow here and and help the community.

Probably it'd be good to emphasize that as well, not over the for profit, but most nonprofits are saying, well, that's, you know, that's not us. Yeah. That's what I mean. Right. Thank you. Pamela?

Where do you draw your advisers, and how do they work with businesses?

Well, we have had really, a pool of advisers for fifteen years working with us. So a lot of them have been already helping businesses since then. So but they have well, our our main areas of focus have been access to capital, marketing, everything related with the permits, licensing, insurance, compliance, HR compliance, and finances, general. But we want to that's what we want to collect feedback from the community to see if to validate if if our list is is full or if there is a gap, we are going to engage with another business advisers that could help us bridge that gap. So and and what we do is we interview them, and we review their their backgrounds.

A lot of the times is people that it's a referral from another pretty trusted partner. So that's what we did that. And, also, how they engage with the with the businesses. They can provide, training programs. And after that, they can start having one on ones with the attendees of that of that training program. That's the most common option, most common pathway, but they can also be matched when a client reaches out and their needs will fit with their business adviser background.

Suga? Yes. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much. And besides being here to talk to us, you know, how you plan to reach to the businesses.

You know? Outreach efforts will involve, well, since we have that, specific half a mile radius, we're going to do that by walking and and start engaging with the with the business owners in that area. But we're also use some of the city's already communication channels as a newsletter. There we have our own social media, but also the city social media and through partnerships. We have been reaching out some of the nonprofits established here. And, of course, with the with the help of the of Peter, that would be also a very good channel to spread the word about what's going to be offered here.

They they presented both to our board as well as

to BIP. Yeah. Mhmm.

I was saying that, like, personally, walking is my favorite thing. So, I mean, we go to the businesses committee community members. You know? We go to the businesses. Sometimes we have a contact person person with it. And would there be anything, like, a nice fancy card with a QR code or something? Well, after that, we just give to them. You know? Mhmm. We do that.

That's in the end, and we that is Yeah. And But, yeah, since it is a pretty small area, our the the main priority of the program, we want to be really exhaustive and reach out as much as possible. Yes.

Do you specialize in certain businesses, or do you tackle all kinds

of business? We we want to be sector agnostic. Okay. So that's why we it is very important for us to to to help with the community. But we have served through our years since our foundation any kind of business. Alright. Of course, a lot of restaurants, of course, a lot of retail, a lot of, procurement, well, contractors, but we have served a lot of different businesses. Yeah.

Because even for, like, restaurants within the restaurant industry, it can be pretty nuanced what their needs are depending on what the restaurant is, and you can provide those resources then. Yeah. Like, if they let's say, would say, I'm, like, planning on a fast food business versus, like, fine dining because they have very specific needs when it comes to marketing, reach out, and

all that. Yeah. It's a lot of

yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we want to be able to serve as much as possible. So that's why we we have launched that survey, and we hope to learn through any any opportunity of engagement with with small business owners. Yes.

This particular program or cohort has to do specific with transportation. Right? Because of the is that what I read earlier that

it Yes. It is it is funded by the BTA.

And so the

curriculum is also

No. And that I didn't

understand that.

There are some parts of the curriculum that that digital doorways or something like that that would help BTA to engage with or or help the the small business community to engage with the. But we're not just focused on that. We we want to be really broad.

So any so I guess my mantra, any business can

Yes. Any business. Yes. I mean, one of the priorities is to bring foot traffic to the center. There's a lot of traffic already, but maybe sometimes during the the week or yeah.

Is there, like, a bay like, a basic connection between like, how would you explain it to a restaurant that, like, part of the goal of this is to bring, you know, transportation? How does that how does that benefit them? Like, what's the

Well, in in this program, we're also kind of building that bridge between BTA and the the business' needs. So it is it would be a a a process of getting learning back and forth for both parts to understand better their needs and how the transit center could be a most valuable resource for them and for their employees and for their clients. Yep.

And then, sorry, last question. Can it owners and entrepreneurs, does this count, like, the managers of a business? Like, if let's say they're

Doesn't have to be the business owner. See, if the business owner would like to send a manager or or somebody from their staff, it would be welcome. Yeah. And we know that sometimes they are pretty busy. Mhmm. So, I mean, we are just here to add value. So if that goes to to through a manager that is already valuable for the business, we are happy to help.

Other questions? Well, just

a just a comment that a lot of people, you know, know about the SBA and the SBDC and all of that. And a lot of these resources And score. And score. And and one of the things that I think is confusing for a lot of our small businesses, well, who do I call? What do I do? And so on. And the other problem is where do I go? And one of the things that's exciting about this program, first of all, is that it's right here, so you don't have to go down to San Jose to get any of these services. And the second is that the SBA, the SBDC, being government funded, have certain restrictions placed on them in the last, oh, I'd say, a little over a year. This organization does not.

And so it's it's a lot more open and open to whom they can serve and open in terms of the services they can provide. And so it's

Building on on on what Peter is saying is SBA can't offer loans now or, I mean, to be eligible for a loan, you need to be a citizen or a permanent resident. Or and all the all the partners within the business having more than I think it was five or 10% ownership of the company. All of them, they they need to be citizens or permanent residents. So that's a pretty hard restriction for some of our business owners in in the in the in this county. And, yeah, that's flexibility for us.

That's something that we will want to bring here to Mountain View along with our track record and and also using the community needs as an input.

Yeah. And I'll say one more thing just because of one of the comments that had, and that is that, you know, the the the partnership with the with the VTA is important and critical, but not necessarily important to a lot of our businesses. They don't necessarily understand that the better our transit hub, the more foot traffic comes to their doorstep. I mean, I guess they get that somewhere in the back of their minds, but it's not front of mind. You know, front of mind is how am I gonna serve six more tables? Front of mind is how I'm going to, you know, make next next week's paycheck. So the degree to which we can hope to educate them on that is great, but that wouldn't be what I would lead with, you know, if I was having a conversation with them. You know? So

Good idea. Yeah. I mean, also, I think that using more the transit center for people to come and dine here in Mountain View, it's pretty comfortable, and you don't have to drive. You can have maybe a drink or two, and you're gonna be safe back home. So we want also to to strengthen that that connection in every people's mind here.

Yeah. I wanna open

that up

for public input. And so, Dennis, did you have something you wanted to

If you don't mind, I think Samuel does an excellent job of communicating how flexible the program is. And, of course, we're hoping that this is a a great beginning. But I wanted to share just a personal observation, and that is, for me, this is a homecoming. I worked my way through Saint Francis a long time ago. From Saint Francis, I was a yearbook editor. I finally still am doing magazines. I went to Foothill College, where I as student body president, I learned Robert's rules of order. So, Mike, I appreciate your running of this meeting. Yeah. For the last nineteen years, I am the state parliamentarian.

I teach Robert's rules of order and democratic decision making for the California Hispanic Chambers of Commerce. And so I'm very impressed how much that you know because most people seem to learn by osmosis, by, you know, by just hanging out in these kinds of meetings. So congratulations

on that. Sixteen years on the council. So

I've seen many councils that are, let's say, creative about the Roberts Horse order. But I'm delighted about the possibilities of coming back home because, mean, I at Saint Francis, I used to hang out at the Castro at Linda's restaurant in El Camino. I mean, this is this is a holiday for me. So I'm very enthused about this. This is a beginning.

Samuel did a great job of trying to explain how plastic it is and or how flexible it is in terms of trying to meet the needs. We have funded pop ups, many. We have funded home based businesses. We've also fund financed small restaurants, getting people buying the restaurants. So our loans that we facilitated were as as low as a thousand dollars and some were several million dollars.

And so we've got that kind of gamut. Peter and I have had the experience of working together. We we are the co chairs of the Chamber of Commerce Coalition. So, I have a great respect for him and certainly for what you do. I think this is a great beginning.

This program is only for a year, but, certainly, we are already in contact with others to say, you know, if this does solve some of the problems in Mountain View, if we could be an added value to what you're doing, we'd like to be able to team up with others and keep the program going. But a large part depends on are we serving legitimate needs? And it seems to me you've got a very dynamic program. I've been very interested in all the things that you're doing. And if we can add on to add to value to what you're doing, to me, a win win situation is the best way of all. And so in that sense, thank you for what you're doing because thank you for making me feel welcome back and coming back home.

Thanks for being here. So Yeah. Thank Anybody online for public input? Okay. Well, any any other questions?

Yeah. One one question is that, Mana, is it okay to plug in the historical association? You should come to our mountain historical association, you know, because it's involved with it, you know, in history.

I've been guilty of being too much of a storyteller.

Although, I mean, I'd love to learn more. There's too much I

could add to it. I could certainly talk about the apricot trees and Yeah. And the trains that anyway, yes. I'd be

You feel that? Home.

Alright. Our next meeting will be streets of Mountain View, the stories of the names of the streets of

Mountain View.

Awesome. Yeah.

Well, I went to school with the Cusimano's. So Oh, really? Yes. I'd be I'd be very interested.

Yeah. We just had a program about it.

We had a program about it. The Italians in in in here the other day. You know? Yeah. Wow.

Okay. So

one question I did have, you're trying to service a half mile radius of the transit center. So how are you going to reach people who may want to locate their business in because you said you're gonna be doing outreach, walking around, and talking to businesses. How are you going to approach people who may be interested in locating

That aren't in that

half mile race.

Are not in that half

mile race.

Well, through the channels that I already mentioned. And, also, well, we we want to activate spread the the word the word-of-mouth through the every event, and we'll

we'll Will

you also be speaking to building owners and leasing people? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

We will The licensing of the building permit office in Mountain View? I mean, are they you know, if somebody's coming in for a new and or business license, will they be told about this?

Certainly, if they interact with economic development I mean, between the chamber and the economic development team, we we intercept a lot of businesses, and we both connect businesses to a variety of resources, and this will be one of them. Great.

Thank you.

And maybe a bunch of flyers down in

the Yeah. Office too. There's every public space here too. Yeah. There are a lot of flyers there.

Great. Thank you both.

Thank you. Thank you both very much. Guys. Alright. Okay. We'll move on to item 7.2, election of chair and vice chair. And so I just put it out there. Just are there any nominations for chair of the committee?

We nominate the same people.

Was like,

alright. I mean, I was like, can we re nominate the same people?

I was like, is there, like, a rule against that?

I was like,

No. No. He's

like, can we nominate Mike?

I was like, clearly knows that Roberts

were the hoarder, which he does.

So I was like, seems to

be the logical for me.

My nomination is for Mike. Okay.

That's out there. Are there other nominations? I'm happy to continue to serve, should that be the case.

You're also doing vice. Right?

We will do. We'll do.

We'll do chair and then vice chair.

Yeah. Okay. So you have formally nominated Mike. Yes. I will second.

Got to

do the Robert's rule.

That's right. That's right. All right. Okay. And I have been nominated and seconded. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Nobody. Okay.

Now now the travel schedule will be lighter.

Yeah. My travel schedule will be lighter. And okay. So are there nominations for vice chair?

I'd to nominate nominate Emma. Second.

Yeah. If elected, serve? I will

will serve. Yes. I'm happy to serve.

Okay. We'll close nominations. It's been moved and seconded for Pamela to serve as vice chair. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed, say nay. What? Is that

a nay?

Not nay. No. Alright. Congratulations, Pamela. We're

happy. Can cross out seven two on Right. Really happen. That's right. Thank

you. Okay. And so we'll just sort of keep doing what we're doing and have our Yeah. Agenda meetings and Yeah. We'll get that.

Back on the calendar.

Right. Okay. Then moving on. Item number eight, committee and staff comments, questions, committee reports.

Just a note, as you know, with our approved 2026 calendar, we will not be meeting in March. So our next meeting will be in April, and we'll have a string of meetings as our spring is very busy with approval. So we will meet April, May, and June, and then we'll take a recess along with city council. So don't show up tomorrow next month by the way. That's all I have. Thank you.

Okay. Any other questions or comments? And great oh, I was gonna say great to have you on the committee. Thank you. Welcome. Pamela?

So the we had the Mountain View Historical had a walking tour schedule at the January. Unfortunately, nobody signed up, so I canceled it. But our next one will be February 22.

K. And when is the streets of Mountain View?

That would be May 3, Sunday May. That would be street names of Mac And View.

Yeah. Sounds great. Yeah. Yeah.

Fine. And

that will be probably at the library. Yeah. And I'm sorry. May 2? Mhmm. Third.

May 3?

And then May 2 is the multicultural festival.

Yeah.

That we're not not sponsoring that. The city is sponsoring.

And, of course, if you're a member of the Mafia Historical Association, you get a newsletter which has all of these dates in it. So one of the benefits. And the lifetime membership is quite a bargain.

Well, you gotta buy it early enough to make it every

Well, that's true. You gotta get five more years.

So I bought it twenty years ago. You know?

I'll get on it now. Get on it now.

For councils when I join.

Free, though.

Is. Alright. Any other comments or questions under item eight? If not, we'll move on to item nine, and we will stand adjourned at 09:17.

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very I love your new model. Me in my mind. I love

that.

Yeah. So