Council Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Evening, everyone. Welcome to the Council Transportation Committee meeting of April 1. The meeting starting at 06:01PM. This is a hybrid meeting allowing public comment both in person and virtual. Instructions for addressing the committee virtually may be found on the posted agenda. Roll call. The public works director will take attendance by roll call.

Hey. Chair McAllister? Here. Mayor Kamay? Here. And committee member Hicks? Here. Committee member Hicks. Three present, none absent.

The dialogue before. Okay. Oral communication. We'll go on to number three. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the committee on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are allowed to speak on any topic for up to three minutes during this section. State law prohibits the committee from acting on non agenda items. Would Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on non agenda items? If so, please click the raised hand button in Zoom or approach the electorum. You will we will take in person speakers first.

Staff will display the timer on the screen. Seeing none in house, seeing none online, we will end item numbers what? Number three, oral communication. And now we will go into the minutes. Item 4.1, approve meeting minutes. Meetings for the 10/29/2024 meeting and the March meeting are presented for approval tonight. Would any member of the public joining us virtually or in person like to provide comment on the minutes? If so, please click the raised hand button in Zoom or. We will take in person speakers first. Each per each speaker will have three minutes.

Okay. We will close public comment. We will now bring it back to the committee for deliberation and action. Are there any corrections or comments on the minutes?

Have a comment. I've never had a comment on minutes before left. So this is an outstanding meeting. Alert the media. So I just several residents have asked me when we we made some they weren't motions, but, like, comments and encouragement to do things in our last our last CTC meeting.

And people have asked me, like, what's the difference? Since I looked at them in the minutes, they were concerned that they would show up in the minutes, and they did show up in the minutes. So the things that we said explore this and that. So they just wanna know, you know, are you particularly the road diet, which is just repainting, is it really gonna be explored? What does explore versus motion mean in your mind? So that's my question.

So motion is for staff to actually do something. Right? It's like directive off of a decision that the committee was making. I believe the action was for staff to explore, and staff took that as action item. You know, we would take a look at this is in regards to the Moffett Boulevard Yes.

Complete streets project. And so staff took that as an action item to explore, you know, whether or not it would be feasible to actually incorporate looking at a road diet given the constraints of the funding, given the constraints of the schedule because we certainly don't wanna lose any federal funding in these kind of you know, this kind of, I'll call it, economic and political times. Right? And you know, we we took that as as something that we would look seriously at, but we weren't directed to ex include include that particular thing in the project. So if we can, we will. If if it's not possible, particularly given the schedule constraints, then we won't be incorporated into the project.

So the residents were just afraid that explore meant drop eight minutes and forget about it. I was happy to see it. And just wanted to bring that up because there had been concern. And with that, I would be happy to move both sets of minutes. I'll take a bit.

Okay. Since I was not here, I will abstain from the the October and then vote yes on the second one. So I guess we Oh, do a vote. We did do a vote. Two yeses on the three yeses on the minutes of Oh, March the any public Oh, we already had that. Okay. So you guys do roll call vote on this?

A raise hand vote. Would you like to take the actions, the minutes separately?

Please.

Okay. Would you like to vote first on the

October 29. October minutes?

Do you want to call for it, Hannah?

I call well, we already did a motion was made. Do we need to amend the motions to do the second, or do we

I second it.

Okay. No. I mean, it's I

moved both, and she

seconded both, you want them separate now? Because I think he wants it separate.

I'll just say I'll take a note that I will abstain from the twenty ninth in favor of March 4. So the vote, I'll raise your hand. Boom. Okay. Yeses. Yeah. It's up here. Now we will bring this item. Okay. So we will go now to key project updates. 5.1US101 slash slash San Antonio interchange improvements. We do have a presentation from Dante from the VTA. And if she's available, we'd be glad to hear your update.

I'm here. Thank you, everyone. Should I share my screen, or, I share the presentation with anybody from the city be sharing it on the screen?

I

can share it. It's available.

Yes. You can share. You should be able to as a.

One second.

When she's bringing this up, could you sort of put this project into context of why it's coming to us from my own personal knowledge?

I believe that will be part of our presentation.

Okay. Excellent.

Are you able to see, miss Clayton?

Mhmm. We can see your Internet Explorer,

see your Zoom screen. I see it again.

How about now?

Not yet. No.

There we go. Okay.

Can you see my screen? Yes. This is PowerPoint?

In the presenter mode.

Okay.

How about now?

Yep. That's it.

Okay.

Thank you, everyone. I am Shanti Chitradi, senior transportation engineer from VTA. I'm here with Sahir Gulzada, deputy director VTA hybrid program, and design consultant PM, Carl Gibson. Here is today's agenda. I will first go over the project's existing conditions as well as the proposed improvements.

Project is in the environmental phase, and we have been actively engaging with the public. In November, we conducted a community open house in the Mountain View Community Center and presented at the Mountain View BPAC committee as well. Today, we we are here at the CTC to present the project. And lastly, we will conclude with an overview of the project schedule. So this project is located along US 101 in the cities of Mountain View and Palo Alto at the San Antonio and Reinsdorf Interchanges.

San Antonio is on the left, and the Reinsdorf Interchange is on the right. These interchanges were built in the nineteen sixties and are in the need for improvements. In, 2012, when the 101, Northbound Oxland project was built, Caltrans identified three deficiencies for the area. The first one is that, the two interchanges are closely spaced with short viewing distance. And the second one is the short southbound on ramp from Charleston to 101.

And this creates short viewing distance between the southbound on and off ramps at. And the third is, San Antonio is an incomplete interchange. There is basically no southbound on ramp from San Antonio to 101. So to fix these deficiencies, the project proposes to add the southbound on ramp at San Antonio, and then eliminate the on ramp at Charleston, which is nonstandard and also creates a short viewing distance. And for number one, the closely spaced interchanges, we are adding a southbound lane.

You know, that helps add to the storage. In addition to these improvements, project will implement complete streets by adding bicycle and pedestrian facilities. I will go over the details in the later slides. And our project partners include Caltrans, cities of Mountain View, and Palo Alto. And so far, funding is project is funded by the twenty sixteen measure b, and we received local match from Google.

This is for the project initiation phase and the environmental phase is what we have been funded so far. So, there are a lot of developments, in the pipeline for this area. For example, the North Bay Shore precise plan and Google developments. The San Antonio and Rinkstorf are two of the three gate main gateways to the city of Mountain View and Palo Alto as well as to the North Bayshore area. So, the purpose of the project is to improve access, basically, for all modes in the area.

And currently, there are no bike lanes and limited pedestrian facilities at these interchanges. Improve safety, for bicycles and pedestrians and at short viewing segments, improve mobility, and lastly, improve traffic operations to meet the growing demands with the development in the area. So project need, as I said, the project will accommodate all modes, improve safety, accessibility, and improve traffic operations. Going on to the details of the project, this slide shows the existing 101 Reinsdorf Interchange. And just for orientation, the top of the slide is the San Francisco side.

It's the north. And the south is the or the bottom of the slide is the San Jose side. To the right is the bay, and to the left is the ocean. The yellow crossing arrows shows the short view between the on from Charleston and off to Rheinsthorf. The in and out is here just for, you know, landmark.

There are high stress bike lanes right now, which means bikers ride along with vehicular traffic. The existing ramps allow vehicles to move freely without having to stop, and that creates conflicts for bicycles and pedestrians, which makes it unsafe. And there is sidewalk only on the south side and none on the north side. And finally, this structure is at nonstandard vertical clearance and currently at 15 feet. And the standard our CAT run standard now is at 16.5 feet.

This is the existing San Antonio interchange, and there are free moving vehicles here as well from the ramps. And there is sidewalk on the north side only and no bicycle facilities at all. This interchange is also at nonstandard vertical clearance. And one specific or main issue at this interchange is that San Antonio is an incomplete interchange as there is no on ramp from San Unknown San Antonio to Southbound 101. So these are the needs of the project that the project proposes to improve.

This is the project built alternative. We looked at various alternatives and identified the alternative that works best for the purpose and need, geometry, environmental, as well as traffic operations. At the San Antonio Interchange, the southbound ramp is added. And at the Rankstaff Interchange, the on ramp from Charleston and New York in and out is removed. Currently, you know, traffic from Palo Alto or basically this area use local streets and wire the, ranks of interchange to the short view to get on to, one one's outbound.

With these improvements, traffic from coming from Palo Alto could use the San Antonio on them.

All

ramps at both interchanges are squared to make it safer for bikes and pedestrians. Carpool lanes are added where they are not their existing, and more storage is added at the on ramps. Basically, the ramps are widened. Both interchanges will have new bridges with higher vertical clearance. And then lastly, the aux lane is added between the the off the on ramp from San Antonio and off ramp at.

Basically, just a background aux lane is a lane that is added on the freeway between an on and off ramp. I just want to clarify that. And both interchanges will have bike pet facilities. I will go over those details in the next slides. And I received a comment from the public today from Mountain View.

I don't know how she had that with me just as a response to that. Post COVID traffic data was collected for intersections and freeways as well as bicycles and pedestrians. Existing conditions, 2013 and 2015 with and without project are part of the analysis. Traffic operations report is in progress and will be available for public review along with the environmental documents. We are now looking at improved range of interchange.

San Francisco on the top, San Jose down, and right is the bay. So on ramp from Charleston, your is removed. All ramps are squared and wider for storage. And this interchange has a class four with six foot bike lanes, the green lines, and eight foot and over at places, sidewalks, the blue lines. And travel lanes here are narrowed to 11 foot lanes as a traffic calming measure, which enhances safety.

And this is the improved San Antonio interchange with the new South Bond on ramp from where's my mouse? Sorry. On ramp from San Antonio to 101 and square ramps are squared up, and they're wider. As businesses and driveways are not as prevalent in the Reinsdorf inter as in the Reinsdorf Interchange, At this interchange, grade separated bidirectional multiuse class one bike path is proposed, and that's the green line. It starts from the bay side, goes along the north, and goes under the the ramps.

And the ramp the class one is provided on both sides of San Antonio. And at this point, users can make a decision whether they want to go on which whichever side they want to go. Here, they connect it to the sidewalk existing sidewalk, and here, they go onto the frontage road. And a gap is left between the ramps so that it gets natural light, and it eliminates the tunnel effect. And there's also a shortcuts stairway for people to use it.

And and the bike path does not interact with vehicles, which makes it very safe. And these are pictures from one 01 Trimble Dela Cruz Interchange improvements that was opened during 2024, and these are pictures from that interchange. It has a similar class one

path.

And on the right, there are blue lines. This indicates future improvements at San Antonio Bayshore Intersection. They show how the project connects to the future enhancements. This is a separate project and has not been approved yet, and the blue lines were added based on public engagement input. So now going on to the public engagement, we conducted an open house at the Mountain View Community Center on November 14.

It was very well attended with over 50 residents that shows how people are public are interested in this project. And this is a summary of the community open house. Overall, the feedback was very positive. They appreciated the bike path infrastructure improvements. And public had questions regarding San Antonio in Bayshore Intersection, and this was shown on the slides how the bike path improvements would connect to the existing and to the future improvements.

They also expressed concern about the southbound left turn lane at the San Antonio southbound on ramp. We are looking into that in the traffic analysis that is in progress. Overall, the feedback was very positive. And we presented at the Mountain View Deepak meeting as well. Public has expressed the feedback at this meeting was also very positive.

And public has expressed to to remove all right turns on red. Yes. There will be no free movements for traffic in Mountain View with the proposed project. And the project project will also try to maintain all crosswalks wherever their driveways and destinations. This is the project schedule we are in the environmental phase and targeting to complete it by the end of the year.

We will do another community engagement meeting in fall when the environmental document is in circulation, and we are looking for funding. And if funding is secured for the future phases, project will start construction in 2028. There is a project web page on the VTA website, and please check it out for details. If interested in getting any updates on the project, please sign up. That's my last slide.

I can take, we can take any questions.

Thank you so much. That was that was very helpful for me. Do we go to, staff? Like, committee?

Any questions? I have lots of questions, but they were answered during the presentation. Mayor?

Yeah. So thanks thanks so much for the update. So I was just looking. So this came to our packet with no attachment, and so I just scanned the QR code so I could get more information. Is is there is that is that the document that we should be looking at for tonight's purposes aside from the slide deck? Is it just a verbal update?

Yes. Today is a verbal update and just for information only. Okay.

I think I think that that is helpful. I tried to take a bunch of notes because I wasn't so I see there's, like, related documents. So is this ten, fourteen, twenty four presentation, is that what you've been presenting, like, at the community meeting and at BPAC? Or I mean, I can click on

it right now. I don't

this looks quasi similar to the deck we saw tonight. So is that if the public asks us questions, is that where we should point them to?

Yes. It's very similar to what we presented at the feedback and the community meeting, but just we added, you know, during the community meeting and the feedback, whatever questions they came, were asked, we tried to address those in the slides. So it's slightly updated, but mostly the same.

Would it be possible to to update the most recent slide deck off of the project page so that residents could see how you've been addressing some of their questions or incorporating some of their questions into

Sure. We will add it to the VTA web page. And so, yeah, we can do that. So if I can do you want me to work with the city staff to be updated to the Mountain View web page?

That would be appreciated.

Do we have a web

well, I'm just looking at your web page, the v t the We do. The

oh, sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't know about, you know, transportation planner. Our project information directs to VTA webpage, so that's one stop shop for, you know, all project information. So we would point to VTA's web page, and we can work the VTA on updating. Great.

So that that sounds great. So I'm on your VTA site because that last slide said scan me. So I pulled up my phone, and I I scanned it. So I think if that there's a section here with related documents. So I think the most updated deck would be really helpful. And then just a quick question. So thank you so much for, you know, hosting the community meeting and coming to Deepak. If people want to provide more input, we should just provide that email address then?

Sure. Yeah. We can provide the email access, the phone numbers, and we will be getting the community outreach group from VTA will receive any questions, and they will direct them to us. And we will help respond.

Okay. And then what

a little

you went through part of the presentation, and you said that part of it will be funded by twenty sixteen measure b with a local match from Google. What's the total amount? So the total amount your number. Uh-huh.

Yeah. So the total amount of the project, right now is about $198,000,000. And, for the the bid and the project initiation development phase and the the environmental phase was about 10,000,000. And and we have received that 10,000,000 from measure b, and we have received the math from Google for that. And we are looking into funding for the design phase as well as for the construction phase.

So we do not have funding yet for the design phase and construction. For the design phase, we have partial funding form from measure b, and we are looking into getting a local match for that until there is measure b has a minimum of 10% match, and we are looking into getting that match so that whatever measure b funds are available can could be released, we can start off the design phase.

I'm sorry. So you said you got you have 10,000,000 for the first initial for the, I guess, the draft environmental document. Is that right? You have 10,000,000 for that?

And then

For 2,000,000 for for the project initiation document that was completed in 2010. And for the environmental phase, we have received a total including match of about 8,000,000. So total is about 10,000,000. So I can you know, I'm sorry. I don't have the exact numbers right now, but I can pull it out. And we have a meeting on this Friday with with the city director, plan public works director, and I can present the numbers at that time as well.

Okay. I think it would just be helpful. We've been we just talked about our CIP last week. We're talking about, you know, what else we're gonna need to plan for. So it's just helpful if we could get that information.

Okay. Thank you. My questions.

Okay.

Zahir and Carl, if you would like to add something.

I I think you covered it all. We are just a little pitch in terms of for the match, we are meeting with city of Palo Alto as well as city of Mountain View staff to get that match for the design phase of the project. So we can once we are completed with the environmental phase, we can move in into the and and get the necessary funding from measure speed to start that process.

Okay. Thank you.

You know, I was just recently had a packed meeting, and we were talking about the funding. And so how sometimes you were getting partial funding for design, but then you have to reallocate it back to the draft environmental document. So of the product, dates up there, which ones are fully funded? Is the draft environmental document fully funded?

Yes.

Is the complete Draft one. That's completely funded?

Yes.

And when was that first proposed?

Could you repeat that question, please?

When was this project first proposed?

So this project came in 2012 during the northbound ox lane. That's when it it was, like, growing. And then because of the deficiencies, it was identified in around 2015, and it got selected into the measure b project list and was allocated funding in the 2016. As you know, the measure b was had lawsuits and stalled for some time. And so in 2019 is when the project received funding, and then we kicked off with the bid phase.

So in '20 you said 2020 or 2019?

2019. Yes.

This is when the project started.

That's correct.

That's when you had funding for the draft environmental document.

Right. Yeah. So so it has it has two phases. The pit phase is what we begin. It's a Caltrans policy. So we started with that, which took about an year, and then the environmental phase has begun. We started the environmental phase in 2021.

Okay. So I'll just wrap up my it's more of a comment than a question. Is that, from what I've seen with VTA right now and the funding, we we will have plenty of time for input on these projects because of the the way the funding is coming about. So these are, targets that we're shooting for for the dates. But, realistically, with the funding and the short gaps that we're having, it could continue on well past our timeline up there. Correct?

Let let me ask let me answer that question. So right now is we are we are clearing the the project in terms of the environmental phase. And then once we get into the design phase, there's not a lot of unless we go back to amend the environmental phase, we can't make a lot of changes, significant changes, actually, to the project. So once the project is cleared in environmentally, that's the project we're gonna be designing.

I just I know we were just as I say, we're reallocating funds for some other projects, and it is a frustrating situation with all the funding and trying to get things done. So

And I will add that measure b right now is very underfunded. So this project, while it does have measure b funding available to it, it's listed under the highway program in measure b. We will need additional funding whether that's outside grant money, whether that's state money, whether that's federal money. The project will need additional money to move it forward to complete the design as well as the construction phases.

Yeah.

And that's true for most of our Measure b projects in the highway program.

Yeah.

Okay. I actually do have a question. Go ahead.

So I was I was happy

to see the amount of community engagement and and, you know, appreciation of it was can you tell me what aspects people were most interested in? Was it expanded and differentiated roadways? Was it bicycle infrastructure, pedestrian infrastructure? Was there more for one or the other or all of the above? Can you characterize that for me? All of

the above, I can say there were people of varied ages. And so I can say, you know, you know, people who are biking and, you know, active, taking more different modes of transportation, going to work. They were very expressed, you know, happiness looking at this. Oh, I can bike this way. I can walk this way.

Now I can take my kids and, you know, ride across the interchanges to reach the Bayland Parks. And I can go to my office walking. It looks, you know, more safer now. I I don't I'm not comfortable biking. So we had lot of those. And then we also had, oh, I can now make my way to 101 faster because there is San Antonio on ramp is added. And so the it was varied interest. It I think I can say that interest based on how what mode of transportation they would take. So in general, I would say all of the above.

Okay. Thank you.

Would the, Shoreline Pedestrian Bridge affect what you do on Ringsthorpe Road if that ever comes to fruition? Are you familiar with the Shoreline Pedestrian Bridge?

So there are independent, projects. I don't think that would be have any effect or impact, either of the projects.

Okay. Well, thank you. Appreciate your time, and we look forward to another update.

Thank you.

Well, we will close we will close five point one. Before that, again, I'm very realistically, we're looking at the dollars, and it's that time frame is not gonna happen. But I would be interested do you have any update on the Shoreline Pedestrian Bridge, how that's coming along?

Not for tonight, but I can in the future. Okay.

Because, I mean, it is fairly close to the Ringsthorpe Bridge, and that could, modify it somewhat. Okay. We will now close that, move on to item six, new business. 6.1, the active transportation plan, scoring criteria, and holistic network maps. And I believe we have a staff presentation on this.

Yes. We do. Just a second to get set up.

We need

them to stop sharing more.

How do you connect? You

kick out. Yes. Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, chair. My name is Brandon White. I'm a transportation planner for the city of. And I'm happy to speak to you today about the active transportation plan, holistic network, and scoring criteria. I often think it's helpful to start with the end in mind.

So the staff recommendation for today is a recommendation for staff to proceed with the development of the active transportation plan, including maps and scoring criteria as presented. What we're gonna do here today is first talk a bit about our background on the project, then the holistic networks, then the scoring criteria, and then the next steps in the overall act active transportation plan or ATP process. First, for our background. So what is an active transportation plan? An active transportation plan combines bicycle and pedestrian plans and will result in bicycle and pedestrian policies and projects.

So here's a few resources on other active transportation plans. But in short, per direction from the council in 2021 to bring together the pedestrian master plan and the bicycle transportation plan from 2014 and 2015 into one plan that will act as a comprehensive resource for staff so that we have one source to to utilize going forward with pedestrian projects. Here's a quick look at our timeline. So this is where we've been, where we are, or going. Where we've been, we've completed existing condition analysis.

We have an approved council approved vision statement. Policy work is been underway. It is currently underway. What we're talking about here tonight is in purple, the holistic network and scoring criteria. Those who feed into a prioritized project list, and then with policies and the prioritized project list, we'll generate a draft plan for you guys to review and, of course, set a final plan for staff to use. Through this entire process, we have community

and committee outreach.

Vision statement. Vision statement, Miami leads the region with an active transportation plan that defines a series of connected, low stress, and green corridors that invite active transportation. Corridors include shade, wildlife habitat, and public open space. The plan enables the city to intentionally support a culture of walking and biking, advance biodiversity, and reduce climate change impacts. And this has been to the councilman.

Regarding existing conditions analysis. The existing condition analysis has been to our technical advisory committee or TAC, our active transportation plan advisory committee or APPAC, our bicycle pedestrian advisory committee, BPAC. They've all reviewed the draft existing conditions analysis from October 2023. And there you see some of the maps generated from that process. Through that process, we had an engagement where we had 655 online responses to our map based survey.

We had two bicycle tours across the city, three walking tours at selected parts of the city. And then in order to ensure that we had outreach that matched our demographic profiles, we extended community engagement and focused it where people were, where people were that would bring us up to match our our demographics or get better. So we went to the community services agency twice, day worker center, senior center, team center, and also met with Cafe SITO. Additionally, we looked to the past. During the ATP and before the ATP, our ASK and V feedback is recorded and was used utilized in the existing condition analysis to indicate where citizens residents had requests for improvements.

This is all reviewed by the TAC, the AdPAC, and the VPAT. This is a quick glimpse of what all of that process generated. So here we have challenging spots for walking, biking, rolling mountain view. And then here, we have the same but from a long line perspective, so across the street. So where are we talking about tonight is the holistic network and scoring criteria.

We're in the middle of the active transportation. Potential voltage networks. The map development process. The pedestrian map is its goal is to support a culture of walking. We're looking for walkable sidewalks in all public improved streets, rails, three trees, landscape corridors to provide shade and storm water benefits, and biodiversity benefits.

This is all, of course, based off of community input that I mentioned earlier. We're looking similarly for a low stress bicycle network. We're looking at a core of low stress facilities, facilities that support VTAs, bicycles, superhighway corridors, trails, and public open space, enhance facilities based on Safe Routes to School, and, of course, have that backing for the community. Now let me show you the maps, starting first with our starting first with our pedestrian map, the dashed red lines on the map sorry. My computer's a little overwhelmed here.

Starting first with the red lines on the map. The dashed red lines are where there are sidewalk gaps. The blue lines, which are everywhere on the map, so much so that you might not recognize that they're there, are our existing sidewalk. In Mountain View, we have 96% of our streets have existing sidewalk. The dark green are our trails, class one facilities shared bicycle, class one facilities shared with pedestrians.

The yellow are potential trails, places that we could consider a trail in the planning process. And then dashed, dark green are trails that are already approved via a precise planning process. And then finally, we have black lines on the map. Black lines on the map represent unimproved streets. We have heard from the public and the BPAC about the unimproved streets, and what should be noted is that 25% of the unimproved streets have 25% of our missing sidewalks are on unimproved streets.

Some of those unimproved streets do have sidewalk. And you can see here there's some dash there's some blue under black here or on top of the black. But for the most part, most of the unimproved streets do not have sidewalk. This is an area that the the plan will direct review for the unapproved streets policy. Now let me bring up the bicycle plan bicycle map.

Is our holistic bicycle network. Dark green and solid are existing off street bikeways. If they're dashed, then they're potential off street bikeways. On street bikeways are in purple. If they're dashed, they are also potential.

And you may notice light gray bicycle superhighway, this is the VTA's network, along the edges of the city of Mountain View. Of course, for the VTA, goes through the city of Mountain View, but in the city of Mountain View, we have completed all of the VTA's bicycle superhighways with the exception of the Stevie Street Trail extension, which you'll see here, which is under design right now as a potential off street facility. And this is the Helsink bikeway map. Now let us speak about the scoring criteria. In your memo, all the scoring criteria have been provided for your review.

Here, I will have a summary of the changes made given the direction from council. The council directed for staff to consider and address feasibility and implementation as part of the scoring criteria. In order to do that, we provided 10 feasibility and implementation and thusly lowered each of the existing warrant criteria by 10%. No other changes to this warrant criteria that were presented to the council were made. So we do now have new feasibility and implementation.

This is also in your memo, so let me be brief, but I'm happy, of course, to answer any questions on this. We have five different categories, order of magnitude, interagency coordination, practical, timeline to complete the project, opportunity to leverage existing project, and then alignment with local, regional, federal funding sources. And in short, the harder it is to do something in one of those categories, the lower the points. The easier it is to do something, the higher the points. VPAT input.

This is going to VPAC on the March 11, and the comments are summaries as such. There was a request to ensure that SEOs, which are light trails or multiuse paths shared by pedestrians and bicycles, but aren't private property. There was a request to ensure that sayos do not have obstructions such as gates and fences and that access easements are provided and maintained. There was a concern from the member from a member that the scoring criteria should be tested. There was a desire to not delay the process further by testing scoring criteria.

There was a request to present a map of pedestrian crossings, and that is something that staff intends to do later in this process. There was a desire to review the unimproved streets policy, That is something that staff is suggesting that the ATP direct to have happen. Not that the ATP does it, but it will direct that for further study. There were three motions. The first motion was to include Los Altos High School and Los Altos School Districts serving Mountain View students in the network map this past five unanimously, five to zero.

This change was made in the maps that were presented to you today. There was a recommendation to CTC or staff to proceed with the development of the ATP, including maps as current criteria, as presented with information and discussion on intersections and crossings. This failed for a lack of second. This is something staff intends to bring back later through this process. And the final motion was a recommendation to the CTC.

This is a staff motion. For staff to proceed with the development of the ATP, including maps and scoring criteria as presented and has passed three eighty two. Next steps. Quarter '2 of this year, finalize the network and scoring criteria. This will allow us to to move on in the process.

Quarter three of this year, project prioritization and public outreach. Order two, next year, a draft plan. And finally, our staff recommendation and then, of course, questions. Recommend for staff to proceed with the development of active transportation plan and with mask and scoring criteria as presented. Thank you very much. I have this info.

Committee members, is there any questions? You usually have quite a few from your concerned constituents.

Yes. Sure. So just a few informational questions from the staff report.

So first,

thank you. That was all very interesting to me and very well laid out. One thing it says I'm sorry. I didn't write the page down, but maybe you remember writing

it up.

It says for network level feasibility as part of the holistic network vision step, the project team will evaluate whether there's sufficient space to support each corridor's proposed network facilities. So what do you know what the assumed lane widths will be for to see whether I assume that's what we're talking about, or whether there is room for whatever it is,

wider sidewalks, bike lanes. That is a component that goes into the overall evaluation of what we have to do is evaluate how much roadway space is is set aside for cars, and then remainder can be set aside for bicycles. So that is a component that goes into the evaluation of all the thing of possible class classes you could select. The our our general default is 11 feet.

Okay. Because I'm hearing people throw around different widths, you know, different dimensions, 11 and a half, eleven, ten and a half, depending on do you look at those different ones depending on the conditions?

This is something we'll definitely depending on conditions and a major portion of the next step in the process.

Okay. So I'll hear about that later. Just I do hear a lot of from people about that, and I was just concerned that there might be a a default when, you know, the the different roads in the map are very different conditions.

Exactly. Yeah. The context sensitivity is important and the next step of the process. Okay. Good.

So that was one. Then I just have some some terms that I'm not fully familiar with, although I can make guesses, but I might guess why. So what are improved roads versus unimproved roads?

Unimproved roads are roads listed in the city's unimproved streets policy. Literally, that is the definition.

Definition. That's the now Okay. What kind of character does this do they generally have?

They they generally have a county road. So no sidewalks. The drainage might be less robust. You know, who's the best person? And I'm so glad he's here to answer that question.

They mostly are neighborhoods that were unincorporated that became incorporated. I'll let Robert go a little bit here. But that's the the gist.

Certain roads, like, rural roads.

Yes.

Yeah. Sorry. Robert Gonzalez, principal civil engineer.

So you're you're all correct.

These are these are roads that were incorporated into the city. They were they were previously constructed by the county to a different standard. So sometimes it could be lighting. Sometimes it could be drainage. Sometimes there's sidewalks on one side, but not two. So there's there's a list of potential deficits.

So so then my I I would love to hear what the unapproved road policy is in a summary if it's like a

20 house policy. Yeah. If if the transportation manager, Beau, would like to answer it, Beau with me.

Hello. Really hear you, Beau, transportation manager. So the the brief summary of the unimproved streets policy is that the neighborhood would need to form, like, an assessment district in order to pay for the the curves, the guttering, the stormwater infrastructure underneath. And the city, when we do repaving, we're just basically repaving as is.

So

sometimes I have problems because the is this a question or a comment? But I'm just hope in terms of you know, we don't have all the money in the world, you've probably heard. And sometimes when things are done to a standard, we're not in my opinion, we're not necessarily doing the highest priority thing. We're just make standardizing everything. And I'm just not sure like, when you said these unimproved roads are deficits have deficits, are this is my question, I guess.

I'm not clear that they maybe they do because I haven't looked at all of them, but I'm not sure I would see them as deficits. I'm kind of a proponent of I guess in Europe, they sometimes call them, shared streets. And to have to turn, spend a tremendous amount of money in assessment districts and maybe some local match on, you know, a street that would be better treated as a for slow shared street, I just don't I don't think it's where people want their money spent, and I would hate to force people to make everything into a standard street. So are we gonna force people to make it into a standard street?

The ATP will will suggest to counsel as a policy recommendation to have a study Okay. Of the unimproved streets policy. It will not be making any changes Standardized. To the unimproved streets policy.

Okay. Good. Because where I live in the center of town, it makes sense to have sidewalks and planting strips and everything, but some other places I've seen where hardly anyone drives. I don't think it does. So okay. Good. I'm very glad to hear that. And what are multiuse facilities?

Those are trails.

That's just a

Where people can walk or walk Yes, ma'am. Is what you're saying. Yes, ma'am. Ride their horses. Horses. No horses.

No horses.

Yeah. I think I'm scooted.

I think

I'm scooted. Okay.

Within reason. Okay.

That's what a multiuse and what is an off street bikeway?

A multiuse trail or a trail.

I thought that was a multiuse facility. What's the difference between an off street bikeway and a multiuse facility? There is none. There's no difference.

An off street facility, I I suppose you could prohibit pedestrians from an off street facility if you wanted. Street.

You could the pedestrians from the bikes if you wanted. You could put a planter strip in between or some other sort of delineation between bike and rolling and pedestrian.

Nearly 95%. She's talking about the five percent, which is great to say. 95% of the time, it is a trail. Same it's and it's the same thing.

Okay. Thanks. And then okay, how are we looking at when I look at the map, how are we looking at neighborhood streets? There are all these streets that don't show up as you know, they don't show up as whatever you call them. You know, streets with bike paths.

Don't have mine in front

of me. Maybe you can put up one of

the the bike maps. They don't show up as streets with bike paths Yeah. The bicycle. And they don't show up on the pedestrian network either. But those are the streets that when I go places, I walk or bike on. As you Because I don't like the big streets. And a lot of people I talk to, you know, I'm not again, I'm I'm for the bike paths on El Camino and on California. And I know people who are very enthusiastic about them. But I also know people who come to me and say, why are you doing this? I will never bike.

I'll bike on the small streets, the ones that don't show up. I will never go on El Camino or California. So I'm wondering how and I think I I actually think there's different peep when I talk to people who do a lot of work on bypass, I think there's different groups of people. You know, there's some people who will never go to a baseball game and some people who will never go to the theater. And when you talk to them, that doesn't mean in our city we should not have any theaters or any baseball diamonds.

That means we should have both. But I don't see how we're considering many of those streets that show up in white as if they're not really on the bike map map are are where a lot of people it's the only place a lot of people will bike. So what what are we thinking about that in the ATP? So

the what I think you're describing is what Caltrans would label as a class three bicycle boulevard.

Yes. In the picture, in the staff. Yes. Yeah. But on the map, it kind of, to me, says, I'm not I'm invisible, and I'm not there, and nobody's thinking

about me. No? Mean, that you you're welcome to your opinion, but the the map has class three facilities on it. It has them for instance, we have right here this is I turn on this every day. This is I'm so sorry.

Mercy. Mhmm. And the bike lane would would be very large and probably more than is necessary for Mercy. Now we aren't in a stage of development right now where I wanna officially give you an answer on what the class is going to be, but I will tell you that it's very quite likely that this this little example here of of Mercy and, for instance, Montecito or this quiet little street that I don't remember the name of, those are fitting the description that you're talking about. Now you do see white space you see roads that are Yeah. There's a lot

of other streets

next

to it that are white. So what's the difference between the dash purple and the streets that are very similar or near?

We are using a distance of quarter mile and half mile distance. We're trying to set a quarter mile distance between every single bikeway. So

But what's the difference, like, Mercy versus the I forget the next street down. I shouldn't because I live somewhere there, but the next street down, Hope, or whatever it is. What's the difference in how it will after you finish the dashed purple thing, whatever you're doing there, how will those streets look different to me? Why would I choose one over the other?

So absolutely. So on a street that's gonna we're considering for a class three facility that is dashed purple on this map, we would bring in infrastructure improvements to slow traffic speed down Okay. As a minimum. Potentially, more, but that's where especially with bicycle versus gets very context sensitive. Generally, in Mountain View, and I would anticipate this would be the case for all the class threes, there would be speed humps.

And then by definition, we would have large bicycle boulevard pavement markings. We do have some of those already in Mountain View on the Dale and Continental. Palo Alto has those everywhere. And then there'd be a wayfinding system network, and there'd be labels possibly changing the street signs to say bicycle boulevard at the top. That is a standard that other communities have used.

These very specific things are things that would be discussed not only later in this process, but on actual project level. But the major difference between a white street and a class three dash purple on this map is letting people know where it is and actual effort to slow traffic speeds down. Okay. And we

can talk more later about that.

Yes. Okay. We will.

Not good.

I'm not Maybe I can add one more thing.

So according to the California vehicle code, bicyclists are permitted to ride on all the streets except for the freeways. And so we would expect bicyclists to ride throughout all of those white roads as well as the other ones. But we can't afford to turn everything into, like, a class three, like, that would. So we're trying to focus, and and the quarter mile is kind of the the rubric that we used for trying to figure out where it is as well as looking at the suggested routes to school throughout the city.

And can I just? And they might merit, like, streets I'm familiar with have different street like, my street has a circle with landings in it.

Roundabout. Mini traffic circle.

Yeah. Like a mini traffic circle. But it does and then I I'm from Berkeley. They use lots of different planted barriers that slow traffic that I like better than speedhumps. But people can, I imagine, talk about those things later

Yes, ma'am? They want. Okay. Yes. And just a quote an additional statement, and Mercy is a great example. That's there to connect to a trailhead. So sometimes we'll even increase the density if it connects to something very important like a trailhead, or just is it safe for us to school safe route to school that we know is used quite often. So you'll see density that is greater. Like, the perfect example is Colling Street, Rock, and Old Middle well, Old Middlefield would not be a class three, but the density is much greater right there because we have a school and we have a trailhead, and then we have lots of people riding on Old Middlefield now, I believe. Mhmm.

Okay. So this this leads to what I think is my last question, which is how do we define comp like, all these things with the scores have two words. It's like sustainability and biodiversity. I don't have it in front of me, but one is safety and comfort, I think, are the two that go are And I'm so I'm wondering how comfort is defined, and I'm just hoping I'm thinking I'm hoping it's not defined as I'm more comfortable when I'm safe because that's the same thing. We might as well take comfort out.

I mean, I am more comfortable when I'm safe, but I'm thinking of it when I'm I'm thinking of safety as the basic thing as a basic thing we're looking for and comfort as the things that convince people to bike or walk when they otherwise wouldn't. And these would be things like shade. I I walk a lot, and I can't get people to walk with me sometimes. And the reason they never say they won't walk with me because they feel unsafe. Bike?

Yes. But they say it's too hot. They say it's a this is usually Evelyn and El Camino, which I walk on sometimes to get places. They say it's too hot or it's too bleak. It's mostly things like that that so for me, comfort is about those things.

And mostly, frankly, they want or they say there are too many auto fumes. So mostly, it's like green a buffer or trees that they that would convince them to walk. But that's under sustainability and biodiversity. So I don't know what I'm not sure whether comfort is in the right place, or how are you

thinking about that?

To indirectly and then I will directly answer your question. To indirectly answer your question, we fully understand the things that you're saying about what makes it comfortable to walk on a street, And it's a it's a whole host of things, many of which are in other categories of the scoring criteria and will be considered as the plan is developed. That the the facts that you bring up are definitely front of mind in this planning process. Directly speaking, safety and comfort are defined by the four categories and literally what they're written down in there. So some of what you're talking about is a comfort concern, but is actually part of sustainability and biodiversity from a scoring perspective.

So which of these

so to me, reducing pedestrian crossing distances is about is about connectivity and improving pedestrian network density. Those are about connecting to places I wanna go better so I don't have

to walk all the way

up El Camino, cross, and come all the way back out and then go to the address store. So I I just don't see in that definition how these things are about comfort. They seem to be about safety and connectivity.

One thing I should should also say that addresses community concerns, many of the community concerns revolve around comfort, and that is a major component of the safety and comfort.

So I would say safety and community concerns, but I don't think I think I mean, I would just change maybe safety and community concerns and sustainability and comfort because I that's where I think I think most people would say they'd be comfortable if it's cooler and comfortable if they weren't breathing breathing in the. So I would change the wording on those maybe. Question. Anyway Yeah. That's I think that's the end of my questions. Thank you.

Mayor? Okay.

So, thanks so much to staff. I think, from, like, last time talking about ATP to where we are now, I'm just, like, really impressed with everything we're seeing, so thank you so much. So I was writing a couple different notes to myself. So when I'm looking at attachment to for the holistic bicycle network, I should be in I'm just, like, looking at this. I was trying to read the staff report.

So the holistic the holistic bicycle network is incorporated into this is our Safe Routes to School and our Vision Needs Zero action plan built into this. Right? And so okay. Thank you. So this is what exists now or some of the things I know that we were talking about doing for, like, Safe Routes school. I know that some people had had had feedback. Is that already incorporated into what we're seeing at night?

Yes. K. Awesome. Thank you.

For the scoring criteria, I

I

I'm comfortable with the principles, but I think what I'm trying to understand is being able to connect the dots with the ATP vision statement. And so, you know and I I think that's maybe where you were coming from, where council member Hicks is coming from. So I I think the criteria, like, the the that's listed is fine. I think maybe further refining the alignment between the vision with the principal statement might help in what you were talking about. I don't know.

I think some of the feedback that we got in public comment was was, like, related to assurance on how we're gonna be using the scoring criteria, and I think it came up in BPAC and somewhere else that you I'm sure you're all familiar with that. So I don't know if there's a diff how we might and I I realize those are two different questions, but just kind of as we're talking about scoring criteria, those are the things that are coming into my head. Like, how do we align the vision statement and the and kind of the the language there with the principles? That's that's, I guess,

the first question. And then

the second question is, as we're talking about criteria and how it's gonna be applied citywide, how do we tackle that that issue where,

you

know, example x might score greater than example b, but residents may feel that what should score. Right?

So I'll answer the second question first. Perfect. Because, honestly, that's the easier one. So we the scoring criteria is meant to be unbiased. Right? Right. So we're not prioritizing a project that we've heard about for years or that the idea is that if it has these metrics, it will break higher.

Yes.

That being said, if there are priority projects, we can list them as a priority project even if they're not. This is one metric for us to develop projects that then get CIP funding. Right? So if there's a grant that comes up, something that's lower on the list might move up because it fits the grant really well. If there's a priority that something it's on a safe route to school, even though that is a criteria.

But that becomes more of a priority because we've heard about it in safe routes to school, vision zero, and now it's in the mid to high in the ATP scoring that that would be a priority. So we can prioritize projects after we see the scoring criteria. It doesn't mean that just because one's here, we're not gonna do it, or one's here, we are should I reverse that? But you you get where I'm Right. Going with it.

And I think council gets the discretion to review CIPs too. Right? So I think there's, like, two there's multiple layers with which things This

is a starting point. It gives us a list of projects, and it gives us a good idea of almost best bang for your buck kind of a situation. Right? These are priorities based on information we have available today. And if things change, you know, the idea is that this plan will help dictate the CIP for the next five to ten years of projects that we can incorporate. And so as things change, as funding sources change, as hopefully bike and ped levels increase at some of the schools, as some of those metrics change, we have to reevaluate. This is gonna be a living document. So I hope that answers that part.

It does. Thanks.

As far as the vision statement

Well, I think Yeah. I

just just in listening to the discussion and the questions that council member X had, I was just council has approved the vision statement. I think it works well. But as we talk about the principles, maybe that's where just an overhearing. So I don't I don't know. Maybe maybe that's a comment, but that was a it's a question that came up for me.

And just, I think, being able to connect so that things feel, like, metric driven versus, you know, a principle. I think something that you're the nuance there is, like, access and equity may feel subjective, you know, even though we have the criteria there. So how do but what's not because we have the scoring metrics with the criteria. You know? So that's how I guess I would think about it.

Is that what staff is thinking?

The goal is to take this objective out of it. So that's the that's the goal. I guess I'm trying to I want to make sure I'm understanding the question. Is the concern that the ideals that are set in this vision statement aren't necessarily reflected with the strength that you think they should get? Like, maybe we have a whole sentence on shade, habitat, and public open spaces, but that category I guess where the be that high percentage.

Are you

thinking that that should be a higher percentage? Is that what I'm trying to

I I don't know that I would say it needs that to be a higher percentage, but I think that it's emphasized quite a bit in the vision. And then in principle, it's only 9%. So

not that we wanna go back to

we get approved council vision plan, but

I I'm not. I'm not.

But I'm just I'm just I'm ask well, I'm just curious, and perhaps that's where

So when you Okay.

Well, I

mean, that might be a greater discussion. I don't know.

Maybe it's So so you're saying maybe this allotment needs to be adjusted with points to match the vision statement or the vision statement needs to be modified to match the four score criteria.

I think since the vision statement is already adopted, we should change the scores.

Okay. K.

For you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's something that I'm that I'm hearing and so and apologies that it went into thinking about that versus a little comment versus a question. So when we're talking about the ATP, are we talking anything about so we talk about facilities as, like, the actual sidewalks or, you know, trails or infrastructure. One of the things that I've been receiving feedback on is just, like, the availability of bright parking to utilize. So did

I miss did I miss it in here? No. Don't know.

He's just excited.

He's excited for the question. Oh, okay. Good. I was like because I

tried really hard to, like, make sure I didn't miss it. So You did. How how would that be something we can include in the ATP, or is

that something separate? Because I

do think having access to that, you know, aside from just, you know, the when when you were talking about more,

you know,

the outdoor experience, we can encourage people via facilities in terms of, like, parking and access. And I think two, are we also can we also think about bike parking for ebikes? Because I got a lot of feedback on ebikes and that the current view parking is not the correct sizing for e bikes. I didn't know about that.

It's just important to not get them stolen.

It's whatever.

No. It's like e bikes are really heavy. And people especially because usually those that are using them are they need the assistance for

the Yes.

They thank you.

That's great. It's too heavy for them to put onto the and it doesn't align and match. I

have a meeting on Thursday, and I read through our policy language literally 04:00 today for bike parking. And so it's one of our policy things that are is underway. Okay. You'll definitely see it and have opportunities to make comment and

lunch week. Okay. Great. And I think part of that too might be areas for people to take, like, respite from walk to as well. Right? They might need to take a couple stops on the way. So I I'd be interested to know, like, how much infrastructure we have related to, like, other city benches, other not, other opportunities. I don't know. For for folks as they're trying to get around, could we count both of those?

I

think think those are the questions. So

committee members, I'm coming in late into this process. She's better than starting '21. So I bring a different perspective on the timeline and some of the definitions and statements in here that will not necessarily have the depth that you two have acquired over the years. So I do wanna rely on your judgment, but I may be strong on some other issues that I don't feel comfortable with. So that being said, I'll go to your the statement, the VTA the ATA vision statement.

I these are so I should go with my questions first, not my comments. But my question is to you guys, just because council adopted it and whenever, can it be redefined? Question is, Mountain View leads the region with bicycle and bike corridors that are low stress and green corridors that can buy. So some changes in that. So I will get back to that on comments. I should have followed my own rules.

Your question is, you're asking us, can you make changes to the vision spectrum?

Yes.

We can propose everything.

I mean, it's Imagine we can. I'm not sure I want to, but I imagine we can. So

I will go to some of my questions on here. When I saw this the word holistic, I took the the meaning to be the ideal routes. But when I look at your maps, it's hard for me to say, well, is there a main route? Is and then all your conditions about with and, predictability of funding and all of that. So it sounds like well, my idea of a holistic is here's the ideal program, and yet you're presenting a program that has been defined by all these parameters.

Is that a do you understand the and I'm concerned about if you didn't have all your parameters that you put in there, would these map looks these maps look different?

If the parameters being quarter mile provision of bikeways? Whatever provisions you have

in there. If you had this is our goal. We wanna achieve it. Holistic because I comparison of holistic is way above there and looking down. And forget all the the small minutiae. Would your math change if we did that approach? It's when

we use the word holistic, our intention is more to be comprehensive and wide ranging and inclusive. But to answer your question, we have to work with the city we have now. And so if I which I may fail to understand your question, and so I'm sorry. So we are using some of the parameters road width. We aren't going to purchase.

We have given ourselves a parameter to not purchase right away or not in condemn right away in order to widen the roads, produce better bike force, similarly for a sidewalk. So we're working within the current parameters of the city to produce something that is inclusive to all the modes and the goals of revision statement and and is a comprehensive network that it goes across the city. That that that is our goal with the holistic network, perhaps.

Because some of your parameters are, well, is it not wind up, or is it, there's missing some sidewalks, and so there's cost associated with it. When I look at a holistic view, I'm saying, here's what we want. We'll fill in the blanks as we get closer to our ideal of what we want.

We aren't doing that. Yeah.

So if I if I were to look at this map, the bike map or the map, and I turned all of the lines, you know, purple and green, if I turn them all black, right, and I just looked at it how it relates to the city, I would say this is a pretty good map for getting us around the city. Right? We get to all of our major destinations. We get to our schools. We get to our shopping centers. You know, we we basically all use the word penetrate. Right? Penetrate all areas of the city. So from that aspect, I think we have a pretty good holistic vision of how we want this to build out. And then so then we just get into, well, what's a solid line versus a dash line?

Right? And all the dash lines are what we need to build. And so this is going to be our guidebook for as we're repaving projects, what can we quickly and simply include in a repaving project to achieve that? What are projects that are stand alone where we might need to go after dedicated funding for something that's a little bit different. So I I actually think this is a pretty good top down view of where we want to be in ten or twenty years or whatever time frame we it takes to build this out.

Can I answer your question? Almost half. You can tell me now. Can I answer your question?

Or Yeah. Go ahead. That's what I'm relying on your experience being When

I googled the definition of holistic, it says it means interconnected, like, in the interconnected network, which is what it doesn't say just one main best street. So I feel like that's what I'm seeing here, and I feel like that's what the maps that people have been working on show and interconnected network, some of which is there and some

of which is work.

So And

I think when this came back to council, if I may, that we asked you know, take the different plans we're working on. Take Vision Zero at zero. Take Safe Race to School.

Take all these things and show us what

it looks like if they were all, like, layered together. Mhmm. And then what are the missing pieces? So that's where I was so excited because this it's actually really great to see we're almost there in a lot of places, and we just have a couple areas where we need to work on in particular. But, like, for example, like, looking at the holistic bicycle network, looking at Moffitt. Right? Looking at that dash line, the work that council's done to prioritize that as in the like, creating a precise plan, we'll be able to connect people and have them safely get across central and get to help. Right? So that's where I think we were thinking about this. Like

So I had some comments on this map that it's even though the colors you can't see, what people are looking at, they say they don't see any network real network in this map. Serge, who made one of the comments, he voted no because he didn't see the network in here. And I maybe the map is when you blow it up and you can see the lines. But that doesn't look like a network to me.

For walking.

For walking. I mean, it's just again, you guys have more see more detail. You could see the the trees. I'm looking at the forest right now, and I don't see them.

Well, the sidewalks are I think the problem with this map is that the sidewalks are really light blue. Yeah. And if we made them darker, then there'd be a lot. Almost everywhere.

Yes. So I yeah. And I think everything is outlined in that blue.

And it would be nice if we were able to emphasize the The sidewalks are

not there.

Better in this one.

Oh, yeah. The sidewalks could be a

darker blue if that's Yeah. I mean, the whole thing will be outlined then, which maybe could be helpful. But

We we

definitely take a comment to change the color.

You can write in the color. Yeah.

The color is fine.

It's just

they're so skinny. They look like they're not there.

They're too

skinny. Because in reality, they are smaller than four. Okay.

Because, again, my perception is again, and I I don't see the things that we're we're talking about. So, hopefully, that will be resolved. Another question I had is this has been going on for quite a long time. And I keep seeing the words, additional round of community and committee as, engagement. And I I saw that at least six times through the report. Is there a way to move this process along a little quicker than it is since 2021. I think that's when we first started this project.

Yes. And is all this yes? Yes. And this is a discussion that the leadership and myself had last week, And we have ways planned out pending the results of this meeting to get things to stay on the schedule you saw, if not advance it.

Just streamlined it a little bit.

Yeah. I mean,

when I can't no. That's a comment. Okay. Should we just go

to comments then?

No. Why? Let me ask my question. I gotta follow-up my own rules. Otherwise I'm

not hearing any of my favorite.

I know. I'm just okay.

It's hard because there's a reason you're asking.

Yeah. You should get a comment.

Yeah. Well, they'll I'll I'll comment on so there was a question about that you were doing your scoring as somebody mentioned a cul de sac. And they asked you, well, a cul de sac might be missing a straight. How would that be scored for something that doesn't? And the question was that you weren't able to answer their question based on your criteria.

Have your scoring criteria to go along with some of them there is some redundancy in this. There did you come up on this on your own? Did you find this from some other area? Did you try to make it all encompassing, or did you try to, yeah, did you try to make it all encompassing or try to make it pinpoint to to differentiate the different projects

or roads? Just a point of order. Steph wasn't able to answer that question because we're live in a meeting, and it was a very specific question. So that's why we weren't able to answer that question. Regard to to your questions about the scoring criteria, they are starting the development process for this is a starting point where our consultant gives us other like, a lot, ten, five times the amount of scoring criteria you guys see from other communities that were used.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. And then I sift through that, and then I give that to my manager as vision planner as well. She sifts through that. Then we bring that to our technical advisory committee prior. We have the vision statement. So the technical advisory committee has an idea what they wanna do for the vision statement. So now we are working with a vision statement. Then we try to match, after those first two filters, criteria to the vision statement. We do that with our TAC.

Then we bring that to our active transportation plan working group, which are local nonprofits or community agencies that are part of the city of Mount VTA is a great example, or community services agencies, another good example. They're both on the a t the AD PAC. We do the same process there, and we've we've narrowed it down for for for for these I forget if there's 10 or so. And then we narrow down some points. Next process.

I think with the scoring criteria, we brought it to council. And then and council gave us it's no changes except to well, there was a lot of discussion, but no changes except to add feasibility and implementation. And for that, we just took because this we just want a 10%, and and we're bringing that for you guys as as as, you

know, as a starting point. And so that's the process that brought us to here. You have a consultant. You got all these subnets. I believe in community input, but at some point, to move the project going forward a little quicker, why do you need

a I

could say, Joe, explain the function of each of the TAP and the the other community, the AT PAC. And is there quite a bit of overlap from what they say compared to the VPAC and your consultant?

The function of the TAC is there are many different divisions with different goals inside the city of Mountain View. And we wanna make sure they're all heard and that the that the active transportation plan works for them and that there isn't a conflict. Or if there is a conflict, that we can try to work through it and try to find a compromise or common ground unless the summit move forward. That that's the tech. But the active transportation plan or advisory committee, their representatives of basically the general public and many of members of the public that don't come to the BPAC meeting, that don't come to our community outreach events.

And so they are representing, you know, folks that need CSA services and and and the day worker center. And so we're getting that input there. Is there some overlap from the folks that come to the meetings? There is. You know, this is Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition is part of the active transportation plan, and many of their members go to the EPAC.

So it does give us a sense of what the public's concerns are before we go to the public, which saves us time because if we've we did something that we didn't know the public would like or or or that they would have a problem with, then we don't have to hear about that from the public because we've already got it right. That's that's the process we have. Could you give me an exact

I mean, this is hard on you guys, but I'm just trying to get I'm new. I'm trying to understand. What does the tech example say? Well, we wanna do this, but the tech says, no. This isn't this is counter to what we're trying to achieve.

Oof. I let me give you an example that's similar to that. The first that comes to my mind is staff had a lot of does this complete a sidewalk gap or bike bike gap? And we were just giving dichotomous points. And they've brought their expertise to say, there's a lot of times where we can improve that gap, but we can't fix it because the gap is too big. We still want our projects to get points for that, and we had not considered that. And they it was an easy change for us to make, and so that's where you see partial points on on the on the sheet.

I will since I'm sort of going broad on this, if I ask you a question and you wanna think about it, you can write me a response. So you have an out. Okay? I just want you to feel don't feel pressured.

Thank you, sir.

I'd rather have you say, I don't know. I'll get back to you than to answer one of my off the wall questions.

At least you know they're off the wall.

Okay. The other question I well, questions. So why if you're a holistic and you're doing, okay, my term holistic, you're building this route, do you have to come you I noticed that everything has to be a complete streak because there are situations where you're gonna go go, this is a good route. This is well within but it's not gonna meet complete streets, and therefore, we don't consider it.

The city has a complete streets policy, so we are gonna consider every street to the extent that we can to provide a a bikeway if or a pedestrian facility. Bikeways are generally the ones that have this conflict. If there was difficult decisions to be made about what gets used for road, what part of the road gets used, what. This is an example of where the TAC is an unbelievably great partner in this process. We can lay out, hey.

This is what we would have to do if it was gonna provide this level of bike facility. This might this will affect traffic in a certain way. How do we as a city feel about that? And and and if we aren't able to come to common current common ground, eventually, this comes through, and there is decisions made maybe even by this group on what direction to go. Our job is to consider and discuss the public's input, best practices, and the city. But as a transportation planner, I don't know every single aspect of the city, and that's why the attack is so important. And and then, also, I'm not an elected official, and that's why you guys are

We don't know. I'll speak with myself. Okay. You have this says the draft holistic pedestrian network display in attachment includes the complete network of existing and potential pedestrian links in that. If someone looked at again, I'm going back to your map. Did someone see the complete network of existing and potential pedestrian fleets in Mountain View?

I believe so, but your criticism is fair that the blue is hard to to see for observation. Observation fair. So I believe that with the existing 96 sidewalk and four, which is in red, you would have the links. Now we have received the comment from the BPAC to talk about the crossings, and we take that seriously. And that is something even though the BPAC did not approve that motion, it is something that we will do.

For the next space. Yeah. Okay. Your the director answered some of my questions for me. I had a question about long defined long term. He helped me understand that a little bit better. There is okay. That is proposed. So he says the draft feasibility implementation, is proposed to include an order of magnitude cost as well as other factors impacting feasibility implementation. So you are looking at cost at this phase then? No.

We will be looking at cost in the next phase.

And then this is okay. One sec. So when you guys get feedback from individuals, sometimes do you look at that as, okay. This is one. Are you looking at a trend of feedback, the same item, or do you just say, well, one person mentioned this that, okay. Well, that's something we gotta look into.

But we certainly, we look at every trend. Trends are extremely important. And then we consider every single comment seriously. Whether we act on it or not really depends on the com column. What

is the city's high injury network?

The city's high injury network was defined in the Vision Zero local road safety plan. And I, you know, I can give you examples, but I don't have every street memorized.

Okay. Well, I don't need a street. I'm just what's the criteria?

Criteria High injury. I can I can respond to that?

So the city's high injury network was based on the history of fatal and severe injury collisions. And so the top of the list is El Camino and then Range Stop for Shoreline, Ellis. And now, actually, there's two ways of defining it. One is the length and then one is by so Ellis Cup enters the list if you consider on a per mile basis, and so does El Monte. It's probably all the streets that you would assume would be on the high entry network. I

have another question, but it's not printing this, so I'll take that off. Okay. The rest is gonna be on me to try to figure things out. So I will then open it to public input. We would any member of the public joining us virtually or in person would like to provide comments on this item? If so, please click the raised hand button in Zoom or approach the lectern. We will take in persons. Okay. Well, we will take any virtual person. You have three minutes to ask the question.

Oh, yes. I'll, pull up the timer and then Bruce after the timer starts. Bruce England.

That is Bruce England. Thank you. Hello, Bruce. Bruce, are you there? Do we have someone else one we can bring in?

Yes. Valerie Fenwick.

Valerie, please come on.

We can go back to Bruce.

Sorry. Okay. You have Bruce now? It's our technical I had

to allow them. Oh,

sometimes that's a technical Okay. Bruce, your comments, please. And could you reset the clock? Thank you. Bruce,

you're showing us muted.

Bruce, you're considered muted. K. Can we go to Valerie and get Bruce another opportunity?

Valerie?

Hey there. Hopefully, you can hear me.

Yes. We can hear you, Valerie.

Fantastic. Could you please reset the timer? Thank you so much. I'm Valerie Fenich, a former member of the BPAC and AT PAC, and I just wanted to add a little extra noise into the system, I guess. I wanted to say having sat on both of those committees, the input was very, very different and eye opening.

And I would say, just as an example, there's a difference about being invited to the table to have a discussion than being able to provide public comment at another meeting where you it's not a discussion. So we got a lot of different input at the AT PAC than you would get in a traditional BPAC meeting. So I did find those being sitting on both those committees. I was the BPAC representative for AT PAC. Very informative and a lot of really great different input.

I would say when you look at this criteria, bias, but not on the current committees, it's not perfect, but it gives us a framework to look at things and to attempt to remove bias. I would caution the the esteemed members of over analyzing something that I will tell you we have done a lot of analysis already, staff has and these various committees as well. I think it's pretty good. Perfect. No.

But it gives us a really great starting point. Also just for council member Hicks, I know I hear this a lot. People say I would never wanna write an El Camino as an example of why not to improve El Camino and I would just like to offer a counterexample that I would never ride on El Camino Real before the improvements, and I will ride on El Camino now as these bike lanes are actually appearing as cars are disappearing from parking on the streets, so there's not risk of door, better visibility, better daylight. I a thousand percent also agree with adding more greenery. I do a lot of walking and being hot and exposed.

Yeah. It does really stink and takes away from the enjoyment of that. Whether it's in comfort or safety or biodiversity planning and improvement. What I love about this plan is it brings everything together and it has us look at things more holistically if we're gonna keep on that word. And I really do believe that's true.

Is it perfect? Is it exactly? Could we spend another four months working on words? I think we could, but I really think this is a really good plan, and I'm and this is also bringing together past input from the pedestrian master plan and the bicycle master plan. And it's bringing everything into one place, which is gonna help the city make decisions with all of the input and progress, perfection. We can do better in a lot of these roads and also for those places with no sidewalks, that is terrible for children, really terrible. I understand not everything needs a bike lane, but sidewalks wherever we can have them. I was a scared kid as a youth without sidewalks. So thank you so much.

Valerie, have you applied to another committee?

I have not. Just to the PAC committee.

Okay. I'm open for you.

So and interviews are coming up, so fingers crossed. Okay.

Thank you. Okay. Next person, please.

Bruce Inklet.

Bruce, we can hear you when you speak.

You can.

Do we have anybody else in the queue?

Yes. April Webster.

Okay. Fine. Go to April, and we'll take first another

chance, please. April?

April, you're also muted.

Thank you. Now you're unmuted.

Yes, April. We can hear you.

Thank you.

Wonderful. I'm also, like Valerie, member of the ATP tech, and I want to agree with her that we spend a lot of time and we pulled in a lot of experts from our community, and the plan is moving towards a more holistic one that really reflects how people actually move through our city. And I think this shift is meaningful. As Valerie said, it's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good. I also wanna commend staff on the outreach efforts, especially to include those who don't typically participate in the planning process.

That kind of engagement is crucial to making sure our streets serve a wider portion of our city, not just the typical middle aged male bike commuters. And our cities are streets. Our cities and streets are, at their core, a product. We want people to use them. Apple doesn't build its products for just one market sector, and this is why our we should design our streets, for more than just one group.

We need to think about our streets as a product that serves everyone in our diverse city, and design and comfort of our streets should reflect that broader vision. And I think we're doing that, doing a pretty good job of that. I do wanna focus on the safety and comfort section and what, Allison had to say as this is where the human experience of our streets should truly come through. I'm really happy to see it there. However, I would strongly urge that, as we move forward in this, that we define it a bit more broadly and and provide clear examples that capture its full range.

I've used gait grading matrices like this to evaluate projects for, MTC's active transportation project funding in a few rounds, and it's really important to get it right to ensure the policy translates into what's getting prioritized. I also just wanna iterate a bit more on comfort. It's not just about avoiding discomfort. It's about creating streets that people actually want to be on that invite connection, offer relief from the heat, make people wanna linger, shop on our streets, in our businesses, interact, and enjoy their surroundings. And right now, too many of our streets are designed just to move people through quickly in cars.

But what if our streets were places worth staying in? We're competing with the comfort of built in AC stereo systems and pretty cushy seat seats in cars. Let's build our streets in a similar manner that are comfortable and invite people out of their cars, and use. And finally, I want to emphasize an important next step in this, and that's translating this plan and our policies in general into real world action real world action. Our standard details, which guide construction are key, and they ensure consistency, safety, quality, etcetera in our streets.

And without aligning these details with the values that we're talking about right now, we risk creating goals without actually achieving while achieving the same old outcomes. So I would really like us to start thinking about moving this in and moving beyond planning for the one percent, in our city and having full diversity. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Shall we try Bruce again, or is there anybody else in the queue?

Bruce will be the last one, and, yes, we can try him again.

Okay. Bruce England?

I'm not sure.

But folks, may I go did we eat a little bit? I'll call if that's okay. Otherwise, we will close the virtual comments and questions and go. Okay. Windows. Okay. Unfortunately, we are unable to connect with Bruce.

A new hand came on Cliff Chambers.

Cliff Chambers. Okay.

Cliff?

Mister Chambers, can you hear us?

My comments are pretty much in line with the questions that the council members, came up with in previous testimony. But I do feel it's really important to emphasize a few points, and I'm really happy that staff had listened to the feedback at, BPAC about the importance of crossings. They didn't say when they would look at that, but when you really look at a pedestrian network, there's really several important things. Certainly, the trails are really important. Certainly, being able to walk in neighborhoods that are comfortable are as part of a network.

And closing the sidewalk gaps are real all really important. But crossings are particularly important. Intersection, we have some really scary intersections where pedestrian crossings are not good. We have a lot of mid block crossing gaps that have not been identified. We did that in the California complete streets, and they went had had to go back and add those crossings.

There's many air any areas around the, the city that have those kinds of mid block crossings. They're not really incorporated in the criteria, so I think crossings need a lot more attention. The other thing is is that we have a network of pedestrian signals, but there's I I have been walking a lot lately, and the lack of access accessible pedestrian signals for, people with low vision is just not there. You're not hearing the chirps. You're not hearing the walk, walk, walk in about half of the intersections that I encounter.

And I think shade and comf is really part of comfort, and I think one of the enhancements to the map would be an overlay of where we have gaps in tree canopy to provide shade to that network. That is a very important part of the pedestrian network. And I think we we need we we really need to, look at this holistically and incorporate those other elements. I'm really not gonna have time to talk a lot about the holistic, bike network, but I just wanna add that I think, when you talk about bicycle boulevards or know the, like, the Bryant Street Bicycle Boulevard where, bicycles have priority over cars, There's nothing in here that really speaks to that, and it's not only a matter of walking to be pleasant, but where bicycles really have priority, and we really need to set that aside. And that was part of the last bicycle, plan on Montecito as an example.

And although it's a dash on the line, it's really not clear that that's what's gonna be, put forward. So, I think if we can add some of the things that have been discussed in the criteria to be closer to the to the vision, I I think there's some more work that needs to be done, and I would at least add some more consideration of crossings at least in the the, criteria. And I think what was suggested at BPAC was having some example.

Thank you, Bruce. No. It's I mean, Cliff. Sorry. I gotta be crystal. Thank you for your time. Bye. Thank you. Four times in a year out. And each yeah. Here you go. Okay. He's

I I lowered his hand when you called him.

Okay. So okay. So I will, being as fair as possible, we'll close virtual, the speakers now and bring it back to the committee for deliberation and action. Whoop. Gotta get to the right page. Bring it to the committee for comments. So council member Ipsky, I have a few comments.

So seeing what everybody cooperation. Yeah. Seeing what everybody has said. I mean, I generally, this is coming together really well. And, you know, I don't there's been a lot of input, community staff, etcetera, etcetera.

And I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna tweak a lot. I think picking up on what so I guess my biggest thing is I wanna I don't think I have to make a motion about this, but please tell me if I do. I think this is a I see this as a living document. And although we're trying to do scoring that is unbiased and will, you know, bring up the projects that will be the best for various reasons, connectivity, equity, feasibility, etcetera, I think there's the possibility that after we do it for a while, some community members will say, it's always happening that the projects we think should be done most are not, and we'll have to relook at it. So I don't think I how I guess that brought up a question for me.

How often are we how are we gonna relook at it and tweak it? You know, I would hate to be married to it forever and then everybody be say there are a few things that need changing and be unhappy. So how are we gonna make it, like you said, a living document?

I don't have a exact answer for you, but we do plan on addressing that in the draft. Okay. ATP I've got TDM and all of them combined. In the draft ATP, and we'll list how we're going to reevaluate and what frequency and probably also where to report out

in that. The mechanism should be. That will come later.

Yes.

Okay. Then I won't unless other council members have a proposal for it right now. I won't I just wanna say that's super important. Yes. And then another I I do have a concern that and this is similar to the aligning with the vision statement.

The vision statement says a lot about what some of the community members said about making our streets into places we wanna be. The difference between driving and walking, when you drive, go you really fast, and it doesn't really look like the commenter said. You have your air conditioning, your music, your cushy seats, you don't really care how bad everything is out there. When you're walking or biking, it's particularly walking, it's different. So I wanna make sure that we're aligning the vision statement really reflects that, and I wanna make sure that our scoring criteria really aligns with that.

I don't know if we need tweaks now or later. I'll let other people address that, but I do wanna make sure we're aligning with the vision statement. And then one of the residents also brought up gaps in the tree canopy. I have a feeling that will overlap with an equity issue. I think in some of our lower income neighborhoods, there's less of a tree canopy, particularly on the streets so that you're sort of not attracted to walking by.

Do you anticipate doing a tree canopy, a map that reflects that

in any way? We our sustainability biodiversity plan, I believe, is looking at tree canopy, and that is not something that ATP is does not per our scopes.

Oh, although we did have it as part of the existing conditions.

So it fed into that.

So we I mean, I think it's pretty important we'll get a you think we'll get a map through biodiversity, or you don't mean urban forestry

There's a map that we have in the existing conditions report to say this is how the city looks. We aren't doing anything at the ATP to change that. What we're doing at the ATP is we're creating space for then the biodiversity plan to come in and fill in that space on the roadway. And how they fill that in depends on that planning process and whether it's trees or any horse horse. Sorry. There's a horse comment before. Any host of possible planting or biodiversity strategy, pollinators, things like that.

Okay. Can that come to us at some point just to look at the context of the ATP?

Or We'll have to have that conversation with that group.

That's not

a Yes.

Okay. Maybe. Yeah. So those are my if other council members wanna take those further, my main concerns are that it be a living document that we review and make sure it really is turning out the way couple years down the road the road. That it is what we want. And then also if there's anything to align it with the vision statement, those are the two things that are outstanding

to me. Nir, before you begin,

I don't know. What is your ask? You have here bold reason. What is your ask? So we're asking you to recommend for staff us to proceed with the development of the ATPD following that those bubbles that we said, you know, here's our path forward, and here's how we get to the end. But specifically for tonight, including the maps and the scoring criteria that we've posed to you, if you wanted to make a

Oh, here. Sorry.

Motion, I think, to have us, you know, make some tweaks to the vision statements,

you're certainly welcome to do so. I just

wanted to see the didn't see that. So sorry for that. Now I see it. Thank you. Okay. Mayor, your comments or thoughts?

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I think thanks thanks again. I think we I'll I'll I'll be supporting moving forward with the HCP and including the maps that we're seeing and the scoring criteria is presented. They think that we are on the right track.

There's just I think we discussed a couple, you know, tweaks and all, and I'll go over that. I think that one of the things that I didn't bring up as a question, but something I've been thinking about is how the ATP can address the last mile issue that we tend to have for folks when they in terms of accessing transit. So that and then just, like, relooking at the maps and seeing that a lot of it is dotted lines, and it's not anything, you know, solidly connecting whether whether pedestrian or by and really how we might shore up some of some of those networks because I think that, you know, appreciate the conversation about the comfortability about people being able to get outside. From the groups that you're talking about, a lot of people are using both networks to get to work or to school. And I'd love for both of our holistic maps to, like, kind of address and include that.

So I think, you know, the connections here, you know, the dotted the dotted yellow that we're seeing for the pedestrian in terms of being able to connect certain access to transit. And then on the the bicycle, there's some solid, some hatch. Just I think making sure that that we talk about that, if that's allocated in the conversation because I think that part of the feedback, though, maybe not just via counsel emails, is just what the strike like, how that affected people being able to get to work and to school, I think, was quite quite great. And I I lived at Stallario's stop. So just, like, how silent it was.

Right? Just a lot of my neighbors are using that. Families are using that. So I just wanna make sure that the ATP, while it includes all the different, you know, Safe Race to school, Vision Zero, we're also addressing last month.

And and we do have a Yeah.

One of the scoring criteria just last month. Mhmm.

I think I just wanna elevate that, I guess, in this conversation because I think that that's just important as to me, that that's just as important as other elements that we're talking about. Right? Because people need to to get through our city. And then appreciate that staff has been a little bad, the crossing and intersections. I think one of the things that I've been thinking lot about is how certain city infrastructure interfaces with with these routes.

And, you know, in particular, we've been receiving increasing feedback, and I think it came up at BPAC on or or no. Sorry. It's on the VTA comment that I saw, like, no turn on red. I think finding ways to to address that as we're going forward, you know, in potential projects. And getting rid of slip lanes. I'm just gonna talk about that tool there, and they're all

going what?

Slip lanes. Slip Slip lanes. Yeah.

Because that's where I always almost get when

I'm running, so I just want to be able to.

And I know other people do too. But I think those are the things that I'm thinking about. I think when it comes to the principles, I'm interested to see what colleagues will will say. I think the cry like, the criteria is fine. We but and we include feasibility and implementation, but I am thinking a lot about, like, the callouts

Mhmm.

For the principal names in talking about the vision. Right? So that's But they scan to to stop. I know it's been, you know, big lift, and excited for us to

keep going forward.

I'm choked up. So let me give you an observation comment about the streets that are on paved or on sidewalks. I live on those streets. I've lived on those streets for over sixty years. I was in the county where the city incorporates.

So I know Franklin Avenue, the Sleeper, all those streets. And the thought of us incorporating is a far fit. We've had other opportunities, and people do not wanna change. They like the rural streets. I would, give you a heads up that if you spend time trying to do that, I don't think you'll get, your money's worth out of doing that.

We have sleeper, which is a major route, I went, well, to Huff School or Amaya. People are riding it all the time. All kinds of traffic on it. I walk it every single day with Yogi and my wife, and, we're all compatible with it. Kids are coming down, Martin's that are going to the high school, that are going, through Yorkshire, doing the cut through there.

So everybody's doing a lot of biking there and should try to put in sidewalks. In fact, somebody was required to put in the sidewalk, but there was, they fought it because there was a, something doing with Google said that they couldn't do it. So that is a bit of history, and, therefore, you see, we have new development in there, and sidewalks aren't going in. So if you wanted people to go, get them to go to Eunice. That has sidewalks.

So that's something about this is my section of town right here, and, I know it very well. So we do have we don't have sidewalks, but we would have snowpack storm drains. So that means I wanna go back to the vision statement. So when I just read, Mountain View leads the region with an active transportation plan that defines a series of connected, low stress, and green streets that invite active transportation. I think there's a you know, the word active transportation is used a couple of times, and I don't think it really projects what you're trying to do. And that's why I

can't find

Oh, well.

The

other one is

Right here.

On there page four.

There. Okay. Thank you very much. Sorry.

So read it I mean, read it to yourself and say, does that I don't think it represents what you're trying to do. And bike lanes and walkability is it. And that's why I said leads to region. The fact leads to region it could be a mood point if you're not willing to change it, but I'm gonna bring it up again somewhere along the lines. That leads the region.

What does that mean leads the region? So and then that defines a series of connector. What I would like to see that this Mountview leads the region with bicycle and and pedestrian corridors that offer low stress and green that are low stress green corridors that provide active transportation. I think that will give you a better we're getting to the core. What are we trying to achieve?

Bicycle and and vice and in a pedestrian pass. Where this, you have to go down to it goes the quarters include shade, wildlife, green opens. That are specifics. The plan enables the city to intentionally the word intentionally know, word smoothing here. Well, what does that when people say intentionally supported goes, this plan enables the city to implement or, you know, or achieve a goal.

And the plan is a goal, and I don't see any of that where it's we're gonna achieve this goal by supporting the walking and biking enhanced and so forth. So I would want to see if there's a some of you wanna discuss it and we tweak it a little bit. That's a concern of mine. I'd like to see that. Another one question I should have, where do cars come into this plan? Are they totally ignored? Do we okay. So I see everybody focused there, but we are a city of commuters. We are a city of bikes. Our goal is to get there.

But I see there's three things you need, car transportation, bike, and bike business. Have we identified major car routes, you know, auto routes that if they're that's gonna be there, where's the parallel route? And I'm thinking of El Camino. I would not I do don't support bicycle lanes on El Camino because there's too many, for whatever reason. And I have not seen anybody ride on that road, but that's a major commute.

Do we have parallel routes that California's major route. Do we have a parallel strip of land that could go along to make it a main highway so that, yes, we have all these white streets that you call class threes versus let's do we dedicate certain areas of the city that this is what we want bikings? This is where we're gonna have separated bike lanes from cars, like in front of Graham. I can't think of any other area where you have the cars and there's a dedicated bike lane in the city. Are you guys familiar with any other thing? If I'm defining it correctly?

So Okay.

But not a but everything else so if we wanna get to that safe, comfortable, when you have the bike lane where you got cars, the bike lane separated on the sidewalk, bad ass car. I was who's who's the young lady that was doing the I was in Austin, Texas, and I was there. And I I saw where they had the dip bike lanes separated. And it

Are you saying that are there are you asking I'm not clear on what you're asking. Are you asking, are there some streets that are so dedicated to cars that if we put bike lanes there, they need to have a good separation from the cars? Is that what you're saying?

Well, no. I'm saying if we have a dedicated cars I mean, cars are gonna be going down California. Cars are gonna go down Shoreline. Cars are gonna go down. Cars are gonna go down San Antonio. That's a major cross you need to cross. But are there parallel routes along with it? But you I think you to look at it, you have to look at where the cars are gonna be and need to go because we wanna keep moving there. But then are there other bike lanes or other areas that are roads that we can say, this is more geared for your bike or, you know, signage that says this is your bike peninsula. This is your bike highway. Because, like, Castro Street right there in front of Graham, they do have the cars, then they have the dedicated bike lane, and then they have the sidewalk.

I I

think that from what I recall of staff, they've looked at alter I would call them just, like, like, alternative routes, alternative arteries. But, you know, I think part of it is the capacity issue of being able to create the infrastructure so that because a lot of those streets you're talking about that could be off are narrow. So it's like when we looked at Latham for a potential route, and it it ended up being too narrow, and it was more unsafe there. So I think staff has evaluated different

different So you're getting this point. Yeah. So but

But I think that we just I mean, I made a motion to support the staff recommendation, so I don't know where you are also. I think

or I would say Okay.

Yeah. So Oh, I didn't

hear the motion. I'm sorry. I Oh, okay.

I mean, I I remember saying it, Tensie. Stop it. I I said I'm going to support.

Maybe I'm willing to support. Was a statement.

But yeah.

You have to Yeah. Hold if it okay. So let me finish with my comments, and then you can make your

motion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I thought I did it.

In my

mind, I did.

Because this is so these are, again, my thoughts. I haven't been here. You guys have been involved. It's something new. You say you're too late to get here. But that was concerned about cars because always we always concentrate on the bikes, but there's still the monster in the room is the cars. So you gotta work with that.

Sure.