Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the July 17, 2025 meeting of the Mount Julip Municipal and Regional Planning Commission meeting. Uh it's good to be back. As many of you know, some of you may, some of you might not, we uh for the first time in my tenure, uh did not have a meeting in a month. Um so we uh tonight is a culmination of kind of two months worth of effort and work. So kind of a summer vacation of sorts. uh for us here at the planning commission, probably not for staff, if that would be my guess, as I'm sure that they've uh had their hands full and and getting us ready for tonight. Um couple things as we begin tonight. Um first of all, I'd like to welcome a new member uh to our planning commission tonight, uh Commissioner Bobby Franklin. Um for known Bobby for I don't even know how many years now. Uh Bobby uh served um as our planning director for how many years? For seven years. Um and as well um sat on this planning commission for nine for nine years. Um I believe uh previously. So we're welcoming uh Bobby back uh onto the board of commissioners and currently serve as a Wilson County Commissioner. So, uh we welcome uh his presence being a commissioner for Wilson County and uh uh very uh lots of contributions to the city of Mount Jewish. So, we welcome Bobby to the board yet again.

Yes, sir. Uh with that being said, I'd like to uh to go ahead and read our quorum. Uh it says, "The presence of five members of the commission shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business. Chairperson may at his or her discretion wait up to 30 minutes after the scheduled meeting time for a quorum to be present. In the event that a member is required to leave a meeting prior to adjournment and the departure causes a loss of quorum, no further official action may be taken until a quorum is restored other than an adjournment. Also, a majority vote of those commissioners present and in no case less than four affirmative votes shall be required to decide any item of business requiring action by the commission. Do like to uh to announce that as uh as we open up. Um with that being said, um our first item up tonight will be to set our agenda. Um I have a couple of requests myself. I would like to request that item 6M which is to review the update to article oh what is IV down to my article four is that right of the subdivision regulations be moved off consent and it would be heard prior uh to item 7A um which would be the first item up after consent. also move remove item 6R which is um to review the reszone request from OPS to CTC for the North Mount Julor beginning at 1097 Weston Drive south to 656 North Mount Juliet Road along the west side of the road. We will hear that directly after 6 a.m. and prior to item 7A. Um, and I think Commissioner Giles, you have a request as well.

I mine is 6U. I don't know what yours is. Hear that alongside 6V? You mean? Mind you, I've already got the revised one. Ah, okay. So, we would hear it along um 10 alongside it. Make sure I've got a long I still got my old agenda. Do we have different agendas? So, no printed copies. So, should we operate off of the printed agendas that we have here? Okay.

Yeah, the one that was published. So, we will operate on I don't have that one now. I get both. Perfect. Yeah. So that would be um or if we defer back that would be item 6V

which is to review the preliminary plat for the reserve at Tate Lane located off Tate Lane. We will hear that in unison with item 9A. And 9A is to review the final master development plan for the reserve at Tate Lane located off Tate Lane. So we will hear those two items together. Any other changes, amendments, typos, adjustments? We will set the agenda as stated. Next item up on our agenda will be our staff reports begin with our city planner, Mr. John.

Thank you, sir. I I've got nothing more than to say welcome back to Mr. Franklin. I've uh I remember you from when I first started here. So, thanks for anything. Jill, anything you wish to add? No, I was just going to welcome Bobby back. I've known Bobby for a very long time. Started here about four months after Bobby did. So, It's been a long time. We welcome you back. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. Perfect. Shane, public works.

Looking forward to working with Commissioner Franklin. I met him when I first got to the city, so looking forward to working with you on this board. Um, I want to give a big shout out to our public works team, Director Matt White. Uh, they, uh, did one impressive job re rebuilding the railroad tracks at, uh, North Mount Juliet Road near Division. uh four nights they were at it and nothing else needs to be said. I think a lot of people are s residents drivers can observe a noticeable difference out there versus what was there Friday evening before the closed road. So again I just want to give director white public works team uh the credit they deserve for that project. Uh big benefit for our residents. Um, also wanted to provide an update that the EQ basin for sewer department's underway. Probably seen blasting off of Leman Dirt Road as you're headed towards Hermitage. Um, those guys are in full gear and we hope to start going vertical on that tank by the end of the year. So, with that concludes my comments. Welcome back, guys.

Thank you so much. All right. Um I wanted to say all right our uh um next item up will be our citizen comments. This time we'll take our citizen comments. Public is welcome and encouraged to make public comment about any item on our agenda. There will be two opportunities for you to make comments. You may speak now or you may speak when the item is presented to the planning commission. We do ask that you limit your comments to three minutes or less. Um, since we have a full crowd and and some are new, maybe some have been here um and and the three minutes kind of being key to allow everybody an opportunity that wants to speak the opportunity to speak. And we'd love to hear from each of you that desires to do so. So, if uh um if you're up here and you see me wave my hand, I do keep a little timer up here. You got about a minute left. So if you can please try to summarize your comments at that time uh to allow other persons to speak behind you. So anyone that wishes to address the planning commission at this time is welcome encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record.

Thank you very much sir. My name is Nesh Patil. Uh I am a resident at uh Barrett drives right across the north mount road which we are planning to change the zoning from to the CDC. Couple of years back we have already mentioned our concerns at least more than 20 people came over here and we are thankful that time city has decided not to change the zone from ops to CTC. I would highly encourage if you can look at the those all comments given by a lot of senior citizen. Uh there is a reason there's a school across the street as well as there's a church and this is a super nice area. We do not want any other commercial over there because it has a lot of concern. Having ops is not a problem for us. CTC will create lot of crowd but lot of concern about the because it will be longer hours different kind of business will be allowed and all the peaceful living of the citizens will be affected. So it is my request again to look whatever four years back when the state farm building which is now over there at that time CTS decided not to change the zone from OPS to CTC and thank you to you all all who decided to not to go for that and please consider that point that's my request.

Thank you. Thank you sir. Yes sir. Any additional citizen comments at this time? Seeing no citizen comments at this time, we'll move on to our next item up on the agenda. Our next item up on the agenda uh falls underneath our minutes approval to review the minutes from the May 15, 2025 Magula Regional Planning Commission meeting. And Tyler, we had an updated uh set of minutes. You want to make a comment of of the difference between what we received in the packet and what we have in front of us?

Yes, sir. So that is um some more fallout from that missed meeting that you mentioned earlier. Um as these minutes move through our legislative software titles get updated and changed like so some of the titles that you might have seen on the minutes in your packet is something that the board of commissioners is more used to seeing rather than the planning commission. So because we skipped that meeting those got changed before we pushed out this minute set. But on the revised copy, I passed out in front of you and went back and manually changed them back to titles that you're more used to seeing and that were reflected on the agenda that was referred at that meeting. So really just titles, nothing within the body or in contact. Correct.

Very well. Any uh questions, comments, changes? Commissioner, first thing on 9A under West Wilson Utility District comments and says, "If WWD has a waterline easement, how can one change to a landscape buffer?" So, is that a question they're posing to us that we should have answered or I I guess from their comments like seems like we landed more of a question than something actual that should have been captured in minutes. Shane, please.

Those are typically comments they address to the applicant. So, they've got rules on their easements with regards to buffers. So, it's probably clarification than anything else, but that is from West Wilson to the applicant. Very well. Okay. Thank you. And then last thing, um, the page numbers on the bottom. No problem with them, but if we're going to do them, if we could just do those numerically, that would be great. That's all. They're all page one of 24. Yeah. Very well. Perfect. I'll make a motion. I have a motion

and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I raising your hand. I against abstensions. So approve. All right. Our next item up uh on our agenda and bear with me um is going to be our consent agenda. Begin with item 6A, development letter of credit number SLC 00005616 for Bared Farms phase 2B in the amount of $135,162.112 can be released. Item 6B, the development letter of credit number 3045 for the Linhaven subdivision in the amount of $97,440 can be released. Item 6 C, the development letter of credit number 90021036 for Walton's Grove phase 1 in the amount of $277,113.71 can be released. The development or item 6D, the development letter of credit number 90021037 for Walton's Grove phase 2 in the amount of $135,458.72 can be released. Item 6E, the development letter of credit number 90021038 for Walton's Grove phase 3A and amount of $78,936.56 can be released. Item 6F, the development letter of credit number 90359773 for Walton's Grove phase 3B in the amount of $158,479.72 can be released. Item 6G, sewer letter of credit number 55110053 for Walton's Grove phase 5 in the amount of $179,638.50 can be released. Item 6H, the development letter of credit number 55109884 for Walton's Grove phase 6 in the amount of 119,43.36

can be released. Item 6 I, Sir letter of credit number 551 09885 for Walton's Grove phase 6 in the amount of $49,656 can be released. Item 6J, the development letter of credit number 70002814 for Winfield Phase 1 in the amount of $316,978.17 can be released. Item 6K, the development letter of credit number 7004987 for Winfield Phase 3 in the amount of $285,000, $37259 can be released. Item 6L, the development letter of credit number 7005283 for Winfield phase 4 in the amount of $378,972.33 can be released. Item 6N, review the site plan for the Bradshaw Farms amenity area 2 located off Vivet Lane. Item 6 O, review the final plat for Walton's Grove phase 7B located on Beasley Boulevard. Item 6P, review the final plat for Elliot Reserve, located at 12440 and 12582 Lebanon Road. Item 6 Q, review the final plat for Winry Pines, phase 4B, located off Winry Club Drive. Item 6S, which is a recommendation item back to the board of commissioners, is to review the reszone request from RS40 to RS30 for 8790 Saundersville Road. Item 6T, review the preliminary plat for Hamilton Reserve located at 12465 Lebanon Road. Item 6 U, review the preliminary plat for industrial drive storage located at 335 Industrial Drive. Item 6W, review

the reconsideration of conditions for Beck with Station located at 225 Summit Boulevard. That's a lot and thank you for that. Uh, John planning staff just recommends approval or positive recommendation for all these items. Thanks. Very well. Thank you, Shane. Anything from public works? Same as what John just said. Very well. questions, comments from the commissioner. Commissioner George.

Yeah, I've got a couple. Start with Bradshaw Farms Amenity Center. Um, the sidewalk starts at seven feet and then it narrows to six feet before it gets to the wet deck. Can we not just make it all six feet or all seven feet? I just It's kind of weird to me to go from seven to six. I'd rather it just be uniform all the way.

That would be something we should certainly ask of the development. The reason why that occurs is because it's a condition of the pud that's 7 ft in front of parking, but our uh our code like sidewalk width would be six feet. So,

if we if we could just do seven all the way, it'd be cleaner. It just looks foolish to go from seven, drop a foot just to get on a a raised wet deck. But just a comment. And then um other one I had was on Beck with station talking about the traffic light and we only got one sheet of paper so this this could have been decided somewhere and I just didn't have visibility but should we can we tie the traffic light to a certain co number or Shane what's your thoughts there? This project was approved in 2021.

Um after the after they've received their construction permits last year, the development approached the city about revising some of the conditions of their LLC, which then in turn looked uh started a process of reviewing the civil conditions that were approved. After the city attorney and I reviewed some of those conditions, what's in front of you are rewritten conditions that are enforcable and cleaned up since they are they have already received uh construction permits. The main another item that was on that list of conditions is an LOC reduction because the Beck with Point uh development off of Belinda Parkway is already in construction and already contributed towards the signal that this development will be responsible for building. I guess

part of the CO trigger sorry um it's a commercial business so it would be one CO we will have difficulty enforcing that so that's why we and that was just an idea I guess the question is as we look at this right now they're responsible for installing a traffic signal but when like what what lever we prior to CO prior to CO okay perfect thank you any further questions or comments? Got one. Um 6n uh simmer commissioner George on Bradshaw Farms.

I had thought that we moved their mail kiosk out of the amenities. Did we not? That's an inset showing. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's not in there. Okay. Yeah, they show it on these plans for us to review, but it's not actually on the same spot.

Okay. I was going to say Bradshaw Farms is well started at this point, right? I was like, man, how all those people getting their mail if they're just now putting that mail in right now? That'd be a a true struggle. Um, fantastic. See no additional uh questions right now. We'll call for citizen comments in regards to any item on our consent agenda. Anyone wish to make comment is welcome and encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, I need to close our planning commission meeting in order to open a public hearing. Public hearing is in regards to items 6, 6P, and 6Q. Item 6 is to review the final plat for Walton's Grove phase 7B located on Beasley Boulevard. Item 6P is to review the final plat for Elliot Reserve located at 12440 and 12582 Lebanon Road. Item 6 Q is to re review the final plat for Winry Pines phase 4B located off Winry Club Drive. Anyone wishing to make comment during the public hearing on any of those three items, welcome, encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone name and address for the record.

Seeing no citizen comments at this time, we'll close our public hearing, reopen our planning commission meeting, and at which time I'm looking for a motion in regards to our items on the consent agenda. I'll make a motion for approval with staff comments in the comments that myself and the chairman made and positive recommendation for 6S. Yep. Okay, I have a second. Commissioner Rash second. It's a motion and a second. Uh, all those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I againstain. So approved.

All right. Next item up on our agenda is item 6M. It is to review the update to article four of the subdivision regulations. Um, want to make a quick comment on this. Uh for those that uh that aren't aware, we are seeing uh this again. We actually saw this uh last month. We saw this last month and uh we did give it a positive recommendation. Um however uh with the many eyes that are amongst us and me being one of those as well with the knowledge of such uh the planning commission is who controls the subdivision regulations for the city of Mount Juliet. Therefore, it would not be a recommendation item and it is a voting item. So, anything that this commission wishes to change, add or remove from a subdivision regulations as uh as we follow and as we enforce at this meeting um we do have the ability to do so. So we are seeing this item again um that we gave a positive recommendation for uh except this time we need to vote on this item and uh take it from there. So um anything from John on planning on this?

No sir. Shane, anything from public works? What's before you tonight? We made some revisions per legal and uh some additional feedback. Uh if you've got any questions, uh we're here to ask them again.

And as well, if you need to refreshing your memory, it's would be in our minutes from last month's meeting as far as any comments uh that we included on that. Anybody happen to know which item that was on our agenda last month or not last month? I guess that'd be for the month of May. Make sure that we get those included in here. Somebody finds it before me, let me know. I would like to see make sure we include Fine.

It's the April meeting, so it wouldn't be in these notes. Very well. Perfect. So, no need to go finding them on there. Any questions, comments? Seeing none, we'll call for assistant comments. Anyone wishing to make comment in regards to this item on the agenda is welcome and encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. See no citizen comments at this time. Looking for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. It's a motion. Second. Uh

oh. Who got that? Commissioner Franklin with the second. So that's a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I

against extensions. So approved. Next item up on our agenda is item 6R. It is a recommendation item back to the board of commissioners. Uh it is to review the reszone request from OPS to CTC for the North Mount Juliet Road, OPS corridor beginning at 1097 Western Drive south to 656 North Mount Juliet Road along the west side of the road. Um, as we table that item, also want to uh make note that we received at the table this evening a updated uh uh recommendation in regards to this. Our previous had indicated that this was sponsored by Commissioner Giles. Is not is actually sponsored by our city manager, Mr. Kenny Martin. Uh uh has brought this forth to us here today. Um and so let's open it up for discussion. Staff comments. Is this Jill?

Also, real quick, let me uh let me also for the record uh note that Commissioner Giles uh has recused himself for the meeting for the moment. Miss Johnson,

um as you stated, this was on behalf of city manager Kenny Martin. We do apologize for the error on the staff report. Um was brought before us. This is 13 properties located along North Mount Juliet Road. Um we've deemed it the OPS corridor. It runs from the north at 1097 Weston Drive which is on the corner of Weston and North Mount Juliet Road um to the south um to the excuse me property abudding the US Bank which is in the Paddics property. It's approximately 13 properties. Um currently um all of these properties are under the OPS zoning. Um, all properties within the corridor are commercial businesses except for one which is 1316 Clear View Drive which is currently a vacant lot. We had previously approved a site plan for Volunteer Bank I think a year or so ago. Um, that is still kind of in an indefinite deferral. So, it is a a vacant lot at this time. The city's uh future land use plan identifies this area as neighborhood commercial. within that uh designation you can utilize the zoning of either CNS, OPS or CTC. So the request to move it from OPS to CTC zoning is falls within the regulations of under the neighborhood commercial under the future land use plan. Um staff has reviewed this and we recommend positive recommendation to the board of commissioners.

Very well. Shane, anything from public works in regards to this one? No sir.

Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Um I I mainly wanted to pull this one right here. Um I guess this is one of those items where um tenure and time make a big difference when you've been a part of this body for a long time as as I have. Um one of the first things that that uh I I can remember being a part of um coming upon uh uh the planning commission was particularly these properties right here. Um early on um early 2000s is when we began to see these move off residential houses and uh for more commercial uses because they uh directly uh abut the houses there on Barrett Drive. Um some of them as far as topographic nature, you know, some of the houses on Barrett overlook the houses that front uh North Mount Juliet Road. some of the um commercial is higher than the houses and so it kind of moves a little bit back and forth through there. So we had a a lot of discussion um in regards to when we put this commercial and I and we landed um what I believe was the uh the best and that was OPS as it has developed out um continually underneath an OPS zoning down there. One of the things that was our biggest concern as we got here, I mean, we really addressed this in two different places um during my tenure here on planning commission. One is I call it the great uh wall of Mount Juliet. Uh for those of you that don't uh that aren't aware, um if you go along the paddics uh development as it abuts this neighborhood right here, um we we received a lot of feedback from the neighbors uh noise pollution, light pollution, um so on so forth. So they uh and during their mass grading, they came and made a big dirt mound that kind of made a buffer and a separation um

between that development and u and the residences that been here. Those are some of our oldest uh houses in uh the city limits of Mount Jul. Uh those houses were devastated, obviously, many of them during the tornadoes uh several years back. Then, not only did we make them do a a big dirt b uh buffer, but then we made them put, I believe it's an eight or a 10 foot fence on top of it. And then we made them do some very extensive landscaping. And um we made it so that speakers weren't allowed on the backside of buildings such as Lowe's or Walmart, uh so there would be no noise pollution. Uh we removed wall packs. Uh we removed uh things such as um trailers, you know, the ability to to put your weed or your straw trailers out there, really wanting to complement and make that a nice uh commercial development. So, we have that CMU putt over there. But these properties kind of fall in line and and they were kind of a learning lesson as we moved into a larger project such as Providence and such as Paddics. And one of the things that we had right here, um, which kind of faded away. I I I don't remember when we we left it in that part, but at one point in time, as you can see by a few of the properties scattered through there, um, we made them build, I believe it was an 8 foot tall uh, concrete um, block wall as a buffer. And then we also made them um, go through there and do some pretty extensive landscaping to make sure that these neighbors weren't affected. Um, and we've had people go through uh that has developed some that really haven't developed but are using them as commercial use do have done things such as a double fence that creates a buffer right there, extensive landscaping and so um but that's done at the property owners on wheel uh out there right now.

I believe underneath the ops we just require wooden fence and it's a class D buffer if I'm not mistaken uh through there which is an extensive buffer but nevertheless it's not going to be mature plantings if there's a mass clearing it's going to be you know 6 8 foot trees at at best out there uh even through that because there's not a lot of growth or vegetation and the tornado kind of took care of a lot of the mature stuff that was back there when it uh unfortunately came through that section. So, my only concern with us going from OPS to CTC is that one, you've got several businesses that have made the financial investment to make OPS and make it a visible lot right there. Um, as was mentioned by I believe Mr. Patel over here. Um, we liked it because it was a lower traffic um with a school with West Wilson Middle School. Um, also the elementary school there behind it. You also have First Baptist Mount Julian Academy directly across from it as well. So, we felt that something that wasn't as extensive and high traffic would be best. Of course, things as uh as the city grows, things change. Um and um one of the reasons why we look at things such as land use plan, look at changes and updates to subdivision regulations as we've all uh done here tonight. And so the big decision is whether or not you kind of uh in a sense ignore the financial investment that those people have made that have torn down the houses and and built these commercial buildings through there or whether or not we want to open it up to a CTC. Um you know I believe in a CTC you could have a Waffle House, you could have a Burger King, uh could have a McDonald's. Um, you know, I wouldn't be too fancied for those kind of uses, but you know, something like a Starbucks that's going to hit you early in the morning that's not going to be there in late traffic is not bad. I wish it was one of those items uh because I can see a lot of value in that personally. I wish it was one of those

that as I was looking at this that we could say, "Hey, let's get that CTC." because it would be a cool thing to have and certainly welcome particularly our morning traffic as it goes towards I40 to have something more convenient to grab a breakfast sandwich or or other things like that. Um but then you go, you know, in the afternoon or in the evening uh in the 5:00 traffic and us coming home, we're heading towards Lebanon Road, heading towards Division and and those areas. Um you're going to have a lot of cross traffic with a heavy use right in there. And so that would be my biggest concern of a change to CTC. um over there in that area. Um understand the value and and what we've got going on. We have some CTC directly across the uh uh street from it on several different locations. U mainly a bank, which again is uh is not a heavy uh traffic, particularly at night, but I wish we could push them to the back. Um, but the trade-off to that would be things such as dumpsters sitting on the front of buildings, which is also not desired visually for that kind of a high-profile corridor. Uh, but then at the same time, you know, do we lose things such as, uh, you know, we just got through budgeting season as everybody followed here within the city. Um, you know, you don't have a lot of sales tax generators in these corridors either. So, we got to be sensitive to the sales tax. it also uh pays for the nice things that we have and the nice things that we want that lie within the community. So, it is one of those kind of tradeoffs and that we're looking at here today. So, just wanted to provide a little bit of backstory as we got into this because we did work pretty hard on uh on this uh as we looked at it and we felt like OPS was there. At one point in time, we felt the best solution for a buffer was a concrete wall and and that's since gone and replaced with a wooden fence, which I'm not excited about. I wish we could still have that concrete wall to be honest with you. Um that really truly it's no maintenance

ever and uh and it prevents any traffic or foot traffic from getting back in there into that neighborhood and I think that was the intent of the block wall. Um but I guess it became a financial burden or something and we removed and allowed a wood fence. Um so that's that's my nickels worth on it. Open it up to you please. Commissioner George,

I'd really like, and I don't want to put the city manager on the spot, but I think it would really be helpful for all of us to understand the rationale of why this has been brought before, why it continues to be brought for, because I'm willing to take a guess. Is it some type of value? So, I don't want to put the city manager on the spot, but if he would say a couple words, I think it would kind of help some of the conversation I'd like to have. Evening everybody. Sorry. Kenny Martin, 2425 North Mount Juliet Road, city manager. Thanks everybody for coming tonight. Well said, Mr. Patel. By no means with me bring this back and welcome back, Bobby. Bobby and I worked together for a lot of years. Learned a lot from Bobby and appreciate everybody at the table for everything you do. By no means with me sponsoring this and asking for it to be considered. Uh you said it well when you talk about sometimes things change in the role that I'm in especially from the economic development angle periodically property owners other folks will ask why don't we have this why don't we have that for example I think the owner of one of the properties just happens to be here tonight and didn't doesn't even realize this is probably going to be on the agenda uh there was a high-end steakhouse for example that was looking at a property on Mount Jet road and under the current ordinance which I understand and I'm actually supportive of it for I understand why OPS was put in place I was here at that time And um as a resident homeowner myself, I respect that immensely. I know sometime it's like, well, there's this agenda. There's no agenda here. Things like this should be periodically discussed. I think in public foreign through transparency, uh planning commission and then on to board commissioners if it gets that far. And if it doesn't, I'm absolutely fine with that. But to give you an example, I was thinking and sometimes my way of thinking is not as smart as the planning commission necessarily. Um people say can you please take that before the planning commissioner and just run it up the flag post see what they think and I'm like yeah and I have my own reservations and I agree CTC may not be the thing. So the way my mind was working is if you think

about industrial restrictive or Bobby remember when we did the CTC with the overlay at one time that we had here on Mount Jet road and some of the businesses developed like that. Dr. Archer did for example he built under that overlay and for about 10 years we didn't see a lot of activity downtown because of that. So eventually the city released the overlay went to the CTC and we've seen a lot of really I think good growth since then and redevelopment. Um that particular section of Mount Jerro I agree is totally unique and there's been a lot of folks I have some folks there I do business with my nurse practitioners there and I know residents on that street so I'm sympathetic of that. What I was wondering is if and that's what I like about the public discussions. Could we consider something like a restricted CTC that would allow a few more uses in for example a high-end jewelry store for example a high-end steakhouse or something like that that's looking for that unique setting because what we'll get periodically is somebody says I have to have that site and that's the only site I'll consider in Mount Juliet and then it goes away because of the zoning. If that happens that's okay. We have that in other places in Mount Juliet to where industrials has a specific location it can go but then you have redustrial restricted which is even deeper. So that's all I was want to do is get it before the commission so that you all could speak to it respect whatever decisions made by the planning commission and boulder commissioners ultimately but also keeping in mind that our citizens comes first and that's why we're here. So uh sometimes you you do things because you feel like it's right to bring it forward and say hey we ask and that's the response we got and I respect that immensely. Uh but sometimes there's compromise as you said chairman uh about I think of for example when we were recruiting Rocky Williams from Lebanon uh the city at that time owned that property there. I agree with the residents behind there that live back there also impacted by the tornado that the speaker shouldn't be permitted. I also understand fast food restaurants would bring a drive-thru and you got that speaker concept. So just looking for something that can maybe be fine-tuned. Uh but if the end of the day it's not to change it, then I respect that as well.

Yeah. So I hope that makes sense. I say a lot sometimes to get to nowhere, but I hope that I hope that soothes the nerves of a lot of people that live there because as a resident that's lived in this worked at city hall for 35 plus years and lives here. I respect that immensely and that should come first as always.

Yeah. And well said uh there Kenny, you know, you might think that somebody like your high-end steakhouse would just say, "Hey, well, let me just go see if they would allow us to go and and come before planning commission." Um, you know, I would say that there would probably be a desire that uh that they want to do that, but there's many businesses and sitting on some of the economic communities that u um that I'm currently on such as JCDB, a lot of them will just look through our subdivision regulations or zoning, see what you can do within that zoning, and when they see something right there, they're not going to give a nickel or times worth of effort on it because it costs money to be able to be told no.

Yeah. Yeah. And so you you are correct on that that when they see that it might not even be a phone call that you get to say say I think that you would get through or or it might behoove you to to at least try but um maybe not a phone call that ever happens to somebody like yourself or Miss Hamlin or somebody like that to really try to uncover whether or not there's an opportunity because they just see it and basically run. It's not worth the fight.

Yeah. And has anybody ever been asked, you know, hey, will you run that? Well, you see you've asked him that and you've said yeah I'll do that and you didn't do it and then you feel bad about it. I felt like I was you know I should do that but also being understanding the citizen. Let me say this and this is going to sound hokey but if anybody knows me you know that's who I am. Basically when I was with the police police chief they called me Barney F. So that's not to change it's just the role changed. Um I love this city and I appreciate what you all do and sometimes I get awfully nervous about making recommendations because as a human being I sit here and I see folks like Mr. Patel and maybe other people in the room and I'm like there's you know again an agenda or something and wouldn't ever want to do anything to sell our city out together. I came here I was a six police officer. We shared police cars in the city and and Luke and those that have been here a long time remembers those days. Very proud of that. Um and to see where it's come to. It came because of folks like yourself, the people here and the people watching from home. We all worked together to take a city that was basically two traffic lights, a spot in the road, and now it's the second wealthiest county in the state of Tennessee, has the best school system in the state of Tennessee. Um, is the second median house code income, highest in the state of Tennessee. We did that together. The residents did that. So, that's important to me. And I know sometimes we can't crawl within people's hearts and souls because we're not transparent. You can't see through us and tell when somebody's telling you the truth. But, I like what we do as a staff. Staff knows that. they see me every day and I'm just thankful for the opportunity, like I said, to come up here and explain to you. I hope that makes sense. Uh may not. It's a whole lot to say, but ultimately at the end of the day, I just want to see if there's maybe an opportunity to consider tweaking in some way that keeps it extremely um um restrictive to some degree and not necessarily CTC. Maybe it's a new creation of something different that's OPS and then professional high-end something. And if it's not and it stays OPS, that's fine as well.

Very well. Thank you. Any questions for my question, please. Why would a high-end jewelry store not be permitted? I mean, what what would be the difference there? And I could be wrong in this, but I don't think it's allowed under and it would be in Mount JW, but not necessarily in OPS. It's considered retail. So, office. Yes. Well, you know, I'm I'm not against the CTC, but I've been listening to other people who talk about the

uh the residents who've lived there for a long time, and I think that it's important to um consider their the fact that they're not leaving. Uh they're going to still be there. Um and we have one representative, which usually means there are many others. And I know I had a call from someone else as well, but uh so I would hope that we could and the congestion of the traffic is a major concern at this point anywhere we go. And rather than make that worse, I would want us to maybe wait for a little while until we get traffic leveled out somewhere along the road there. That would be my thoughts on that deal. Has staff looked at anything as far as, you know, Kenny mentioned our city overlay that we had down here at one point that uh looked beautiful and it was awesome on paper. We were, you know, grass medians and everything and how we develop and create kind of a city center and and it never really gained traction. Have have we explored is there anything out there that could be done that would allow a uh a retail connection but maybe not the Waffle Houses or Burger King or something like that but a you know a Morton steakhouse or a ABC Jewelry. I mean, is there such an overlay or something that

Yeah, as John was just saying, we don't have anything currently that would provide for such, but I did want to point out that under OPS currently, you can have a full service restaurant. You can't have takeout fast food. So, there's a difference there. Um, also under the um OPS, you can't have general retail trade, which would kind of take place of the jewelry store. Um there is also under the neighborhood commercial services there is the CNS zoning the commercial neighborhood services. It's a little bit more less restrictive than OPS but yet not as wide open as CTC.

So but there's some supplemental provisions that have to be put in place with those. So it's kind of like a happy medium between the two. But you still can have those high-end restaurants and so forth and ops there are some. But one the one of the other big uh points of contention that is not allowed in OPS and would not be allowed in CNS but would be in CTC is transient habitation. So if you open up that CTC door, you're opening it up for the ability to have a hotel as well. So there's a lot of different provisions. If um retail sales could be could retail sales be added as conditional use underneath an OPS zone?

Could not. Commissioner Franklin, please. I'm a struggle with being cracked another zoning district. Just come up with one and somewhere in between and instead of doing a a block reszone, just let them individually come and ask for it and and make a decision based on what they wanted to bring.

Or even just add retail to one of these districts. And then but then well you still then you'd have the drive-thru issue still or you could add it to CNS that allow drive through supplemental. [Music] It would be something like it'd be a zoning amendment to get what we're talking about here. A zoning code amendment somehow. New classification. Yeah. Some type of amendment.

Yeah. Yeah, one of the things um um and this kind of plays with that as well. Um I went down and and spoke to staff uh prior to the beginning of our meeting and one of the things that I'm of interest of uh personally um is kind of a a work study session uh for the planning commission. Of course, we'd have to public a advertise that and be open to the public, which would be encouraged to come. I think it would be great. uh but to take a a work session and discuss things um that we like maybe don't like that lie within our subdivision regulations. Discuss a few things out there on our land use plan that we like but don't like. Um one of them that jumps out at me is uh is Bender Ferry. Bender Ferry is littered with large tracks. We've proven now how far we're going down Bender Ferry and if we don't get some kind of a master plan together for that and particularly as we continue to press um uh east down Highway 70 uh we we saw the um the Beckwith Road and uh the Tracy Lawrence or Mayorbell uh presentation here before. So, we're continuing to push there. And so, our land use plan is kind of broad in certain areas, but a work session to talk through things like that. Maybe it's a work session to also include something like this to say, "Hey, I don't think anybody would be in a disagreement that that we want something like that, but at the same time, we'd probably be in agreement that we don't want something like this." So, uh where can be the happy median? And maybe out of a work session, uh, we could come up with overall brainstorming ideas of what we could do in districts like this, what we could do in some of our land use plan areas that are kind of, uh, there on the fence, um, what we could do within the subdivision regulations for things that we like or may dislike, uh, within and see if we can't formulate something that would come out of that.

John, please, just another comment on this. Um, so if this weren't to get approved, the land use plan supports CTC here. So as things come in, you know, as they develop, you would have that op they would have that opportunity to reszone with relative ease because the land use plan supports it. So individually, individually, yes. So yeah. Yeah. There's Yeah, Commissioner,

I think another point here that that we're failing to see is that I I pulled up the GIS map on my phone and we have CTC all the way down Mount Juliet Road. We have CTC across from Mount Juliet Middle School. We have CTC across from Green Hill High School. So, I guess the part where where I'm struggling with it is I understand the concern, but there are multitude of citizens that are in the same exact issue right now where they've got CTC that comes to their back door. So, I I guess I'm scratching my head and the part of the planning commission is we have to consider the entire city and we have to consider what we've done to this point. And it's hard for me to look here and say, well, let's protect this neighborhood, but then everything else down Mount Julia Road, we've put CTC on. It's just like what what makes them so special that we're going to come out and safeguard and put OPS here, but everywhere else down Mountain July Road and Lebanon Road, we've done CTC. No,

I can look at examples right now where I see CTC backing up to individual homes. I can see right now a home that is caddy cornered by CTC. So, I just I'm struggling to see why something that goes with our land use plan, why there's so much push back. But, um I'm just genuinely curious because like I said, I can scroll down right now. Everything on Mountain Juliet Road right now is CTC with a couple pockets of OPS and one major at changing some of that CTC to OPS if that's even a possibility. I don't know if it's if we're able to make zoning more strict as opposed to less strict. Well, I mean,

a lot of the feedback that I take on uh social media and elsewhere is that the city shouldn't be um shouldn't be doing anything until infrastructure improves significantly to to get the flow of these folks in and out. And I know in a lot of instances, we don't have a choice, right? If if it meets zoning and codes, we we legally have to to approve it. And we've done so. that blue area just north of West Wilson. I mean, there's going to be another 5600 homes in there just off of uh you know, pretty much just off of uh Mont Juliet Road.

Yeah. And that's it just got approved. So to help you with that answer right there, uh that's part of the reason why we, you know, it was one of the first things that we saw now almost 20 years ago as we developed from the interstate out and uh it was mainly the church, the school um not wanting that cross traffic like that with no access to stop lights um was our main discussion. Whereas a lot of those areas you don't have the congestion that necessarily have. Um I mean even right now it's common for traffic to be you know stop and go uh at best from really right there at as you come to uh to the school.

Well I appreciate that but I mean we see the same issue at Mount July Middle School but that's

we can't stop grow we can't stop growth because it's enshrined in the state constitution that property rights have the ability property owners have the ability to do that. I just we we approved a large development sprouts across the street from Mount Juliet Church of Christ. I mean, I just I can literally I could sit here probably for 30 minutes and give off a multitude of examples where we have a church, we have a school, we have a neighborhood that and it's just I'm just baffled, I guess, that in the argument of intentionality, we're we're saying that this one specific neighborhood is different or special. And I just I'm not not trying to be argumentative. I'm just generally trying to understand how if we're going to be intentional, we're going to have a land use plan of where we see the city going and we're going to do this on every other part of the city, why are we pumping the brakes on this one part?

Well, I just can't reiterate the issue with the traffic again at at there's traffic everywhere. That's exactly right. And at some point we need to improve that first before we continue to fill up everything that is going on. And somehow and I don't know what you would do there other than because there's one light at the school and um one light at the bank which does help with the flow of that. But um and I guess that's the point I'm getting. There's only two schools and a we don't we don't have a project right now either. There's no project. There's nobody coming saying we're ready to build. We're just changing zoning. But we have a multitude of projects. Yeah.

That in the past two and a half years, I've been up here and I've made the statement. It's too soon.

We don't have the infrastructure and it's passed with flying colors. It gets to the BOC and it gets passed. So, I just am really scratching my head on the intentionality aspect of what makes this specific piece so special that we've ignored that same argument. We've ignored a room full of people that have come here in the same exact situation and we've said we're sorry. We we think that's what's best or that's what's in the future land use. I'm just trying to understand why what makes this special because we have pain points for traffic all over the city. So I I I saw this on consent and I was fine with it because it's in line with the future land use. I went to the GIS map. It's riddled all through Mount Juliet Road. So, I just it just begs the question, why why is there this big back push to keep this ops? I don't know, but it just doesn't sit right with me. And I'm just one vote, so

just got a couple comments about it. Um, one, I think Kenny, you answered the question. You know, one property owner realized it was on there, had no idea it was even being done. Um, I'm much more used to seeing individuals coming up and asking for reszones rather than it come from just a swath of a corridor. And if it's if it's in our plan, they can do that when they come up and apply for redevelopment. Um, I' I'd much rather want to see individual owners come up and make their case. Um certainly don't want to see I I won't specify the fast food restaurants, but I don't want to see 15 fast food restaurants lined up here either. Um I don't want to be able to look at them individually and and make a decision then.

That was a lot of the discussion was the possibility of just what you said. Further questions, comments? Thank you, Kenny. Thank you all. Yes, sir. This time, let's uh call for citizen comments. Any citizens wish to make comment, welcome, encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record.

Excuse me, I'm old. My name is Keith Canfield. I'm at 1020 Clear View Drive. Um, I had these nice prepared remarks that I'd worked on for about three days and between what uh you said, Chairman Winchester, and uh, Manager Martin, um, you took a lot of my my points away, and I appreciate that. I do think it is, um, very helpful to hear, um, the perspective that that Chairman Winchester had um, about that neighborhood. It's the oldest named subdivision in Mount Juliet, over 60 years old. Um, you know, the what we want to try to do is preserve that. And to Commissioner George's uh comment, um, what makes it special is it was there first and it's historic. Um, and we want to make sure that homeowners like Mr. M. Patel and his neighbors on Barrett don't hear, "Would you like fries with that?" uh and every morning and every evening. So, um I think the point that that um another commissioner made about there is no project there's no project that's asking for this reasonzoning right now. Um we had to I think fight a resoning in 2022 on this on a specific parcel there. Um and the board as was pointed out by Mr. Patel the board uh uh decided in and uh against that particular reasonzoning. That is the appropriate way forward in my opinion. But to um take a whole strip and proactively change them, the CTC when at least two of the of the business owners that I talked to on that strip were not even aware that this was up in front of the commission and had no idea and in fact would oppose the change.

Because if you if you look at what's gone on there, particularly after the tornado, it's an example of zoning working. You can see there's there's new u offices there. There's, you know, there there's there's uh it's not like that it's stagnant. There's some rejuvenation that that occurs there. It's zoning that's working. And I'd say or implore you to to keep that working and leave it on a case- by case basis if someone wants to come forward and and ask for um a an amendment to change the zoning. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Uh my name is David Cely. I live at 105 Clear View Drive. Um chairman, uh thank you so much for protecting our community, specifically my neighborhood a couple years ago. Um it is special. It's special because that's the neighborhood my my kid lives in, his friends, his family. It's special because we don't we we aren't like the rest of the neighborhoods. Why do we need to add what's already happening to the rest of Mount Juliet specifically to this neighborhood? Why do we need to affect that? What does it what does it do for Mount Juliet? No one's coming here for a high-end steakhouse. It's a beautiful town. I love living here, but come on. Like, that's that's ridiculous. We have the jewelry store in in Providence. The owner of that pays for meals every year at Thanksgiving over at Cracker Barrel, right? Why do we need another jewelry store possibly coming in to make any sort of change for our town? Give us a new road. I'll tell you what happened in my neighborhood while Mount Julia Road at the railroad crail crossing was being uh rebuilt. The cars were going down our neighborhood. They were cutting through our neighborhood all day because they couldn't they couldn't go down Mount Juliet Road. That's the change you guys need to affect. Not adding more businesses. Give us roads. give us some infrastructure to actually grow for the future. As previously mentioned, there's another large subdivision going off of Mount Juliet Road and Old Lebanon Road. Where are those cars going? How are we getting in and out? You go past Mount Juliet, what's that? West Wilson Middle School in the afternoon when there's kids in session. It's bumper to bumper just for the middle school, yet alone with another four or 500 houses that are going in. Make the right change. grow our neighbor our our town the right way. Adding more

businesses along that stretch of Mount Julia Road is not going to change us for the better. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Matthew Thomas. I live at 1314 Clear View Drive, uh, which is directly adjacent to 1316 Clear View Drive, uh, the vacant lot and so my family stands to have an immediate effect potentially with this change and, uh, I respectfully request you to reject this proposal. Uh, thank you, chairman, for your comments. Uh, and those that have spoken so far, I I echo those sentiments fully. I'd like to specifically speak to the traffic portion a little bit further. So, I commute with the train to go to work downtown. And for me to go from the train station to pick up my child at GDDARD and then come back to my home, it takes 40 minutes already. 40 minutes to just go that little stretch. and to add uh CTC uh so high traffic um ingress and egress to more northbound Juliet road is only going to make the the situation worse. Um you we it was mentioned that CTC is all down Mount Juliet Road, but where's the worst congestion or congestion right in our community? It's it's the worst from essentially Weston to the interstate. And adding these hightraic, high volume uh businesses is only going to make that worst. So, let's focus on improving the traffic before we add these other uh types of of businesses.

Thank you.

Thank you. Hello. Uh, Jeremy Jernigan, 106 Clear View Drive. As a member of Mount Juliet since day one, born and raised here, fifth generation in Mount Juliet, I'm very proud to see where we have been and what we have done. Um, I don't agree with all of it necessarily, but I am proud of where we're at. I don't agree with this uh reasonzoning for this specific area of Mount Gilerro. Uh we talk about what makes our neighborhood special. My house was built in 1964, way before any of this was here. Okay, if you look at the established neighborhoods in Mount Juliet, none of them have commercial um businesses right in front of them. We look at Hillview, there's no commercial there. We look in front of uh the neighborhood behind Camp Bowwell. None. No commercial direct uh commercial properties directly affect those neighborhoods. All right. We're here first. I get they may be uh CTC, but you can drive down the road and there's no fast food chain going in right there directly affecting those neighborhoods. Okay. We were here first. We like the way it is. Uh also brings up traffic concerns. All right. When when Madullet Road clogs, where do you think those cars go? Clear View Drive. All right. We've had speed humps put in. I can also sit on my front porch and watch people go in excess of 40, 50 miles an hour down uh Clear View Drive still. Uh with all that being said, I'm just hoping we keep it the zoning the way it is and we do not change it to that uh center town center. Thank you.

Thank you. Good evening. I'm sorry. I'm Kerianne Misammore. Um and my husband is here, Steve. We live at 1410 Barrett Drive. So, we are just behind um this section. And we have been very happy with when we did this all a few years ago and State Farm came and the endatonics, the the other businesses that built back that they built back in a way that was kind to the community behind them and still bringing in revenue and people like us that didn't leave after the tornado and we still spend our money here. So, we just oppose it and feel like it's working how it is. Um, the buildings that have been built have been beautiful and I feel like they're a nice greeting to Mount Juliet that we are not just a stop where you can just stop and grab something and move on. Um, it is a community and all of these businesses that are there are communitydriven. So, we are very happy with that and we would love if you would just oppose this. Thank you.

Thank you. Oh, sorry only one one time to speak. Okay, Mr. George has some comment that was but that's fine. Thank you.

Please [Music] Darren Cunningham, 1401 Fairview Drive here in Mount Juliet. Um, some of you up here, I know I've been in this seat before and from that standpoint, when I sat in your seat, I always thought about the citizens of Mount Juliet first. And I thought, and I still do. Now, if you know Fairview Drive, you know, I'm a neighbor as well. If you know this community, so I live right down the street and we were all, you know, we were all hit by the tornado a few years ago, which is why this is all coming up. So, I think to myself when things come up, especially for reasonzoning, who does it benefit, right? Who the who the beneficiaries of this reszone we're asking? And I racked my head over this many times. And I really can't think of who the beneficiary is of this than maybe individual parcel owners here. So, does it benefit the city of Mount Juliet to reszone this? What's the suggested zoning is here? I don't think so. I can't see it. I can't see the true benefit. I see a detriment only. And if we're looking for more places to have like a fast food restaurant or all the things that are compliant with this revised code, there are other places for them. There's no lack of land for that. As you mentioned, Preston, in your speech, there are plenty of places with this zoning all up and down Mount Juliet Road. So, if those businesses want to go there, they can. this doesn't need to be reszoned to do this because there's absolutely no benefit to the public and the citizens of Mount Juliet to do this. So there's that. Um there there is a significant impact on the neighbors if this goes through because the types of businesses can go there. So we talk about and these terms are kind of overused. We give it light

pollution, noise pollution, you have all that. But one of the bigger concerns for me are businesses that are open past the hours of normal business hours and the ones that have gone there and Kianne said it very well about the like the big state farm building. It's been beautifully done and we've had no negative impact from those businesses there. If we bring in businesses that have people come in and out of there fast, such as like a gas station, is that not one of the things that could go through with this type of zoning? No. Okay. So, late night restaurants, things like that. Okay.

Um that brings another level of one traffic which I'll get to. And then two, you know, you also bring in more people that are not in the community there, which then leads to higher crime potentially, and we don't want that. So, in regards to traffic, we hear it all the time. It's a lot of bad traffic. Okay. Um but we've got three schools in a quarter mile here, and that's school traffic. And uh Preston, what makes this special, okay, and that's something you hit on a lot, is that there are three schools within a quarter mile here, and there's excessive traffic here. And if we bring in these businesses that bring in excessive traffic to the businesses, that adds to the problem. I also think if you look at the zoning up and down Mount Juliet Road, you look at our traffic issues that we have, I if you have a pulse, you can look back and say that potentially some bad decisions were made with in regards to traffic and how things were done. And if you had those decisions to make over again, you would do them differently. This is an opportunity to do it the right way because again, I think if you have a pulse, you know it wasn't done the right way every time in Mount Julia because traffic is bad. This is an opportunity to do it the right way. Um I also I have some concerns of how this was brought up how this made consent agenda and that's kind of it's a bit of a separate subject that this is not something that should consent agenda is is therefore something that is just basically a formality to sign off on and guys I don't know how this was on consent. This is a really big deal. Okay. And it it it should be under heightened scrutiny because there's a commissioner who's one of the land owners there too who stands to benefit from this. And I want you all to be aware of that. It's a relevant point. So I say that because there's more to it than just this here. And I want you to be thinking about that as time

progresses with this particular issue here. Um, this was brought up before and it was denied and I would like to know has something materially been done different between then and now? What was any anything else that's happened would make this more acceptable this time than last time. Thank you. I'll run my meeting bug. Okay. Thank you. Thank you commissioners. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any [Music] additional assistant comments?

See no additional assistant comments this time. Looking for a recommendation in regards to this item on the agenda. Offer a negative recommendation. Second. It's a motion and a second for a negative recommendation. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand.

I against abstensions. That is a negative recommendation. All right. Next item up on our agenda um falls underneath land use amendment preliminary master development plan and put. It's item 7A, which is a recommendation item back uh to the board of commissioners. It is uh to review the land use plan amendment for the Sutton located between East Division Street and Rutland Drive and Golden Bear Gateway. As a reminder, this is the land use plan amendment only. John, as such, I'll speak on the land use plan only. Um so for a portion of this pod they already have the land use plan supports what they want to do here the CMU pud um this land use request or land use amendment request is for a part of the pod it's the single family component only. It will all be to mixed use for the whole for the whole pod. um or that's what it is now, but they're looking for a uh single family land use for a single family component in this HUD that we'll see once we get to it. If we get to it. Um but like that's that's basically all on the land use. It's for the single family homes in here. And it's uh they're asking for mixed use to single family residential land use. That's all I have.

Very well. Shane, anything from public works this time? No, sir. Let's open it up. Uh, questions, comments from the commission. [Music] The only thing I can say is please

um even though it may not support the um use for the single family, I'm thinking the fewer families we can have with the single family residents rather than multifamilies would be my preference at this point. Um I'm just hoping that we can continue to try to um uh better serve our community with some maybe fewer multifamily units. Sure. in my thinking here.

That's what uh one of the things that I looked at as uh began to explore this project and and this potential use um directly right here um is I guess because we have such a concentration of of big businesses such as Amazon right there. Um, I my vision is as this area comes through would be a mixeduse and a mixed use to give you some of that convenient retail, some of the restaurants, some some more items to support the um the businesses, the people that work within these businesses particularly uh and then the traffic that uh that continues to gain momentum on Golden Bear Gateway as well. Um but then without getting into the project, I feel like that the commercial is minute and not really what uh what a vision for the commercial portion of it should be and it looks like a focus on multifamily as you said right there and using the mixeduse zoning as a um as an opportunity and then you look at the phasing plan. the phasing plan supports just that right there as well. Um the way that uh that it will be phased in, the way it will be developed and done uh kind of supports that statement there. John, you got something you'd add?

I would just like to remind or or let you know that the applicant does have a visual presentation they'd like to show. So, whenever you want to have that, just we'll go ahead and ask applicant name and address for the record, please. Good evening. Sheree Acres with Barge Design Solutions. I'm in Nashville at 6153rd Avenue. Um I don't know if they can pull it up, John, the presentation.

So yeah, um we are proposing a mixeduse development as you see from the applicant and see if this will move forward. Okay. on the 73 acres. We are requesting the land use amendment um as John indicated for the mixeduse portion for the single family and having two base zonings. So I just want to add the entire site is already has a land use designation of mixed use which permits all the requested uses that we are requesting with the exception of the single family. We are asking for the amendment on the 27.17 acres that you see here in brown. We're requesting that in order to do single family because in mixed CMU zoning, you are not allowed single family. And we feel that we've taken a great pride in developing this project and designing it by trying to be good stewards of the land and at trying to have transitions from the higher intensity that you see up along Golden Bear Gateway. And there are existing single family homes right there. So, we feel it's more appropriate to have single family in this area that's designated as the brown color because that provides a good transition to the more intense uses of the commercial and the retail and the multifamily and town homes. This is good planning. Um, and that's why we're requesting the land use amendment. If we were to not receive the land use amendment, we could just do more town homes in the single family area which are permitted in the CMU that are consistent with the land use plan.

Do you want me to just stop here with the land use? You let me go into the whole project. We can do that quickly, but I know the it's separate. Yeah, I probably prefer to just stay on the land use plan at this moment. Very good. That will of the body. Yes. Very well. Well, I like what she said because I support the single use the single family homes. Sure. And um I for those reasons we're trying to Yeah. Commissioner George, please.

I don't have any problem with the land use amendment. I think it would just be very poignant to point out that another example of ops where we're going to move it to commercial with a residential house touching it. That's all this time. Let's uh call for citizen comments. Any citizens wish to make comments in regards to this item on the agenda. Welcome to encourage to do so. Please come to the microphone. State your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, like to ask for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. Me also add for the record uh to show that Commissioner Giles has returned to the table.

Can we make it subject to the approval of the preliminary master development plan? Yes, that'd be okay. Then that way if it doesn't pass then it defers back. I'll second your motion. Check one thing, please. Waivers and variances. Hold on those. Yeah, we're not granting any of those. Just land use plan only. Commissioner Rass was just asking about waiverss and variances. So, we're not offering any of those at this time. Just land use plan only.

Very well. So, it's a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I against abstensions. It is a positive recommendation. Our next item up on the agenda is item 7B. It is to review the preliminary master development plan PUD with a reszone from OPS ops PUD and RS40 to CMU PUD and RS10 PUD for the Sutton located between East Division Street Rutland Drive and Golden Bear Gateway. John Glenn.

All right, this is at the corner of Golden Bear and Division. The entire thing's about 74 acres. Um 74 acres total dwelling units including single family, multifamily, all that. Um 6 649. The uh commercial square footage that they've got proposed here is 102,32 square ft. Um overall I think it's a pretty good plan. I I agree with like Sheree brought it up about the single family transition and all that. Um, one of the comments we do have though and I think we've talked about this um staff has talked about this um being that Golden Bear is a commercial a major commercial thorough affair and that is the goal of the city in the future to develop that commercially. Um, you know, one of the concerns we had with this was the town homes up in that uh that would be the northwest quadrant up there along Golden Bear along Division. Um, it's kind of a trade-off scenario. We got the town homes, we got to put them somewhere. We got single family, got lower density behind. But, um, you know, honestly, that is a that's staff's opinion. I think uh would be better served with commercial along that front. you're giving up commercial frontage on a major thorough affair for something that's residential and also frankly I don't know if living on a road such as that or directly adjacent to it is ne necessarily the best environment but generally high level and this is pud level here so that's kind of how we're speaking um overall pretty good um the

biggest caveat with that I guess would be the number of uh the waiverss. There's a lot of them, but a lot of them are fairly normal, fairly routine that we see in here. And um I don't know how you want to go through them if you want me to read them. Are you going to read them in the record or how we going to do that? Um because there's a number of them here. I don't know how you want to handle that. But we got our recommendation in here for and there's a handful we're not recommending approval on. I could maybe maybe go through those. um access streets to allowed front load garage with decorative doors. We don't necessarily support that. As far as the bulk number number two or rather number two here, 33 homes on a culde-sac. I'll let public works weigh in on that. Um number three is the bulk regulations. We support all their requests there. They're all reasonable um for this type of development. I believe side setback 7 and 1/2 ft. I we usually request an 8ft setback. I mean what's another foot? Um number four slopes. That's a one that comes up frequently. Um I'll let public works weigh in on that. Here's another common one. Perimeter fence fence around multif family. That's required by code. They don't uh they'd like to omit that. I support that. Max height of 55 ft. This is kind of a big one. Um, if you're within a half a mile of I40 and Golden Bear, that interchange there, you're allowed up to 70 ft. They don't fall. There's no part of this pub that touches that distance. It's outside that distance. So, they're not granted by right in the code the ability to go up to 70 ft because of not being within that distance. So, they're asking for 55 ft and it would be it would have to be something that this board

approves. Uh I I have in here we don't support it. It's kind of uh it would be first one I can think of um outside of the interchange area that would be would have been granted additional height. Amazon.

Amaz Okay, take it back. Yeah. Yeah, that's Yeah, I forget about that one. Yeah, that one 90 ft. Um 2 less than 22 foot long driveways for alley loaded, front loaded town homes. Um I have in here we don't support it, but that's just for the town homes. It's not for the uh it's not for the single family. So I'd be willing to go either way on that one, I guess, as a recommendation. Um number eight here, this is the facade materials. So they're asking for 50% masonry. um and 50% secondary which they specify as Hardy and Bordon Bbatton for the multifamily component and that uh 50/50 staff supports 7030 that's more more along the lines with what we usually support for a multifamily mixeduse thing like this. Number nine is the uh is the single family. They requesting 50/50. Again, 7030 is what staff would support. Omit column between two family or two-car garages if street facing and if a decorative door is used. Staff supports. Uh not really a fan of the column. Uh frontf facing single family garage doors 50% of the front facade. This is probably the first time we've been asked this one in a while. Um I I I have I don't support it. I don't think it looks good personally, but you know the there are options with doors and you know that it could it could be it could be spruced up a bit. It would wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world, I don't think. Um, single family front loaded garages flush with the front facade. That's another one we don't get too too many requests on. Um, staff supports single family lots less than 10,000 square feet. Okay. So, this one I

put it in here because uh they requested it, but it's not uh you know that that minimum lot area that we require of 10,000 square foot and the average of 15 that is for residential only puds. This is a mixeduse pud, so it doesn't really apply here. Um but you are granting uh since it since they're asking for a base zone of RS10, that's a 10,000 foot lot. So anything smaller than 10,000 square foot is a pud waiver. Grocery store to be 10,000 ft² in lie of 20,000. We have a 20,000 foot minimum on on grocery stores. Staff supports that. Um 25% shared parking uh arrangement. We'll have to flesh that out further going forward, but uh staff supports it. there's gonna, you know, if the uses support, if the type of uses and all that supports that would be a more of a site plan type thing, but we could support that. Um, omit sidewalks and areas that require environmental impact. Side planning doesn't support allow town home balconies to encroach into yards. Uh, support um green greenway trail to be mulched in lie of paved. Planning and zoning does not support that either. Um, I guess that's probably the gist of this. It's, like I said, overall I think it's pretty good plan. Um, there's a lot of waiverss for you guys to weigh in on. Um, and again, 649 residences, single family, town home, multifamily, and then 102 or 103,000 102,32 feet of commercial. And uh I think I hit some of the concerns we had on this, but that that should about do it for me. Um again, if I think of anything else, I'll let

you know, but that's it for me. Thank you. So, staff supports or does not support this request? Support.

Very well, Shane. Please. Public works. The development is going to be served by pump station that will be public. City will ultimately maintain and designed to our city standards. Important note is the sewer that they're ultimately going to be tying into just around the FedEx area that ultimately feeds into the pump station that sits beside 7-Eleven that was built when Amazon came in will have to be upsized. The sewer line will have to be upsized to handle the capacity of the development. We ask that the sizing parameters take place during construction plan review. We also want to iterate for the record that the offsite sewer that they have to lay to get to the existing sewer shall not be under the greenway. We want to determine that alignment of the sewer at FMDP when we uh take a first look at the profiles. Uh with regard to the variances, I will uh answer the one about disturbance of slopes greater than 20%. Uh we do support that in a cut condition only. With that, I think I'll let Todd talk about all the fun stuff that's coming up with the roadways. Please, Todd. Um, you know, I I share a lot of the same sentiments as John here where this is a pretty decent plan for the size of this development. Um, that said, there are some some concerns uh going through their variance requests.

Um, request to allow front loaded garages on access streets. Uh, public works also does not support that. uh request to allow more than 14 lots on a culde-sac. Uh that is supported conditionally on 24 feet of pavement. Um edgy pavement, edgy pavement. That's pretty standard. Um let's see. Request to allow up to 25% shared parking. Uh we do not support that without a shared parking analysis. However, I'm not sure the development is still asking for that. We will have to get clarification from representation. Um request to allow permanent dead ends to terminate within 150 ft of a property boundary. Uh that that is supported um as their dead end has no units on it. Uh it's just a a culde-sac essentially in someone's backyard. Uh let's see. request to allow residential frontages on a collector uh supported on one side of the street with shared driveways. So, two conditions on that one. Um request to wave sidewalk requirements in areas with environmental impact not supported. Request for greenway to be a mulch trail, uh that would be an ADA issue, not supported. Um, other things on site to to be aware of, they are requesting that their Spine Road between Division Street and Rutland Drive be a public road. Staff is requesting that that road be private. um based on some of the the liberties they've taken with the cross-section. Um if that road was to be public, we would ask that that be a full minor collector, which is standard in commercial districts. Uh and if that is the case, then we are bound by our new access

manual. So, a lot of what they're showing here wouldn't be possible, particularly behind that grocery store. If it's private, they've got a little more lebyway. Uh in the town home district, uh over on the corner of Division and Goldenberg Gateway, um they are providing 22 feet of pavement, which is consistent with our access lane standard, but with the perpendicular parking on there, uh technically our drive aisle standard is 26 feet. Um, and with this, you know, there there's some pedestrian connectivity issues in the the town homes that would need to get worked out. Nothing that I think kills that, but certainly something that would need to get addressed by FMDP. Um, technically speaking, their smaller culde-sac would be, you know, I'm asking for that to be come off a private road. That would also probably have to be private. So really your only public road would be the one coming off of Rutland. Um as far as access goes, I do want to applaud the development team. You know, I gave them feedback on their access and for the most part they did really take it where as of right now they're proposing two right in right outs on Golden Bear along with their signalized central access. That said, there is one access that is not HSAM compliant on Rutland Drive. It is too close to Golden Bear Gateway, but their traffic analysis does show that the queue at any potential Rutland signal would not back up to that driveway. So, it it wouldn't be the end of the world, but it is not compliant. So, staff does not support that. Um, let's see what else. We got we got a lot um as far as off-site improvements go. We are talking about a very large development. We are talking about a lot

of traffic added to Golden Bear Gateway. As such, we are conditioning that they would uh signalize the Rutland Drive intersection. Uh that is a cross condition with project Jolene that project Jolene has the same condition, but they're coming in slower than anticipated. Um there would also be some turn lanes involved with that signal. Um, I actually need to add into the staff report at the east division ramp that is also going to need to be signalized. I asked for them to remove that signal because signals are bad for your traffic progression. Uh, when they sent me the their updated traffic study, the queue on the ramp just it didn't work. We're going to need to signalize that unfortunately. Um, that said, I've also conditioned that they coordinate and provide time of day plans for every signal from the division ramp down to your I40 eastbound ramps. Uh, that will help with our traffic progression through the area and does mitigate a good chunk of their impact here. When they do that, we are also asking that they install emergency preeemption on the signals. Uh, and that was a request I received from the the fire chief. Um, and I think that's all the big stuff. So, it's a lot, but it's a big development and it's one of the last two big tracks we have left on Golden Bear. So, questions, comments from the commission up,

please. Apologize. I've been on three years vacation here, so I don't really know exactly where to direct these. Could be any of the three of you, but I have some concerns on the sewer access. I kind of know where to direct that. Um, is the sewer connectivity going un to under I40 and then back north. It's not going to go that way. So, it's going to go directly into our main sewer runs currently from FedEx under Golden Bear Gateway down to the pump station adjacent to 7-Eleven. Okay. So, it's not going to it's it's not going to test with their capacity down there.

Not close to the interstate at all. Is there uh it I remember when Amazon made several commitments to improve East Division. Um what is the timeline on those improvements? I actually was talking that's public works uh director uh he said that they're currently in preliminary design for the roadway right away is going to take several years and they're probably hoping to start construction optimistically 2032 2033

really how far past this development is that project or does it even go to this project? What what is the scope of the Amazon commitment to widen East Division would be my question. The the widening of of East Division is a city project at this point. Amazon provided a financial contribution. Okay. And the scope of that uh it's going to stop actually right along your your property frontage here along division. um probably where that last row of town homes is, you're you're talking about your final tie in.

Okay. Um some here may not know, but uh the county road commission is requesting to lower the speed limit on East Division because it's probably the second most uh unsafe road in the county right now next to 109 as far as accidents and um mostly because of no shoulder. And so we're putting a pretty large development, a lot of traffic on on a road that is already one of the worst roads in the county. I I just want to point that out to the planning commission right now. Uh I guess while I'm talking the the the one problem that I have with this overall is is in agreement with staff. If city of Mount Julie has buil build built Golden Bear Gateway for a retail corridor and to push so much high density residential up close to and take that road frontage away is a loss and also pushing it up next to the train tracks and all the traffic probably isn't even good for the residential much less our tax base. So those would be my two largest concerns and and the infrastructure concerns. comments, comments from the commission. Commissioner George, please.

So, I'm seeing a piece of city land involved in this. I'm assuming there's been discussions about purchasing that if this gets approved. Just

um I can't really comment on the purchase of it. I know that the land is not currently under contract because of various board approvals that have to happen. Um, obviously this plan couldn't get official approval until it was under contract. So, but that would be at the BOC level. However, I will point out that there is a Tennessee statute that requires that the planning commission approve or disapprove any sale of public property. So, if the commission decided to make a positive recommendation for this, I would recommend including in the motion the planning commission's approval to sale the property so it wouldn't have to come back for the planning commission to sell it to sell it. Sorry.

Good. Commissioner George, Commissioner Jones, please. Are we talking about the We're talking about the trail heads building. Is that what we're talking about? Yes. That little red triangle there. Yeah. That where it is right now. Mhm. Yeah. Well, and if if that's going to be approved, I've got I've got a a recommendation for an amendment to this property and it would have to be done. So, I didn't realize that was part of it. So, that I Yeah, it doesn't have to be part of it. It's just we could move it along quicker if the planning commission wanted to.

Well, if I agree with that when it does come to the BOC level, there's going to be something else done in lie of that. So, I I'm you know, that's it's I'm concerned about it. Got a couple small questions and really back for Todd more than anything. You the entrance there to the on the town home uh section. And I'm actually looking at the phasing plan uh three and two where it aligns with the division access over on the uh kind of the loop right there. Is that one of the places where it will be signaled or

Yes. So that that was the place where I'm I'm asking for an amendment to my staff report to include that that gets signalized. When it does get signalized though, it can it would be permitted to be full access as opposed to right in right out. Okay. So, if it becomes signalized, that would be you would support that being a full access right there. And then you said the first access point closest to the Golden Bear Bridge uh from the town homes and single family right there. East division is signalized or no?

No. East division would not be signalized. East division would receive turn lanes and um depending on schedule possibly tie into the the division project. Assuming that this comes in before the division street project, it's we're talking left turn lane, right turn lane. What about widening to uh to three lanes from that point from the corner of this property right there all the way to the to the bridge. Um, that way you don't have if you have uh eastbound traffic or westbound traffic, I'm sorry. If you have westbound traffic on U division trying to make a uh southbound movement right there and you've got eastbound traffic, then it's not going to just cause them to sit there right before our light. Yeah, I would recommend if we wanted to do a threeline section along that front edge that we just tie it in and it carries all the way to the signal. There's a taper that starts right before the bridge and ends probably 100 ft after the bridge. Um where we just have to widen that to to a full three-lane section. But I I I think that's reasonable. just, you know, that that improvement over there. One of the biggest things for me when looking at this was particularly the traffic on division. Um I wasn't aware of the statistic that Commissioner Franklin shared over there with us. But um it's been like that since I was a little kid that East Division particularly um is just careful. Matter of fact, when my kids turned 16, uh both of them I u told them if I called them over, I'll take their car. Uh it scares me that much uh them driving through there especially um um new drivers through there.

I remember well let's go ahead and open it up uh for the representative and name and address and uh for the record

Sheree Acres with Barge Design at 6153rd Avenue. Um, so I'm just going to kind of briefly go through, um, as John already said, we're proposing the 649 dwelling units, 63 of them the single family, 428 multifamily, and 158 of the town homes. And we're also offering 30% of the site is in open space, and 28% of that is usable open space that we're improving. Um, again, we're just trying to create a very vibrant mixeduse community that's anchored by that walkable town center that blends retail, office, dining, and residential. We are proposing a little over 102,000 square feet of commercial. We're trying to make this as pedestrian friendly as possible and to attract and bring synergy to the town center while also offering outdoor gathering spaces and then having more of a cohesive um community with some good architecture. And I'm kind of going to go through the plan a little bit and I think it will answer some of your questions and some of the concerns that um Todd and I had have had in regards to where some of these uses are. So parcel A, this is proposed as a big box retail. We are in talks with several national um grocery store chains that are interested in coming here. So that is what's proposed in parcel A. Parcel B is the beginning of that mixeduse town center. We're offering multifamily and the mixed use. The buildings that are green, the G and my eyes are bad too. C and D. Um, those are the mixeduse vertical. So, you have retail on the bottom and you have the multif family on the top and those are part of the reason why we're asking for the 55 ft and height as well because you're going to offer the retail on the bottom. Um, the other yellow that you see there,

these areas are some of more of the multifamily units. That parcel has 236 multifamily units and over 18,000 square feet of retail in that town center. Going across to parcel C, that's also completion of the town center. Again, we're having the 55 ft height where you see the green building which is the mixed use and then you have additional commercial and multifamily. There's about 35,000 square feet proposed there for the commercial. And I know you've commented about having commercial along Golden um gate Golden Bear Gateway. Again, we're trying to create a town center, a destination where people can walk pedestrians, not only for the community within, but also outside and around the area to come in and utilize the commercial and the retail and the restaurants and the public spaces and also the greenway that we are proposing. Parcel D along Golden uh gate, Golden Bear Gateway, sorry, is for the town homes. And we did just hear that now we can get a signalized intersection there. Originally, we were only offering town homes in this area because it's a ride in and right out and would not be viable for commercial. We are open to adding some additional commercial in that area. Now that we know we have a signalized intersection, a full intersection, we could probably do about another 20 to 25,000 square feet along um Golden Bear, we would prefer that it be in this area because this slopes down and as you get there, this becomes not as visible. So, it's not going to be viable for a lot of commercial development and we would hate to have that allocated for that and then it died. Um the brown area, as we talked about previously in the last in the Whoops, sorry about that. And the land use amendment is the single family that offers that transition from the existing. And then there are additional town homes that are being proposed here and more commercial here

for a total of 102. And if we were to add another 20 to 25 um that would increase just shy of 130 of commercial. And again, we're also offering um some public spaces in open space. This is just a diagram. The light green is um areas that are natural open space that we won't be disturbing. And then as you see the darker green, these are improved usable open spaces. We have a number of pocket parks throughout where the town homes are proposed. We also have in the town center a really large lawn area that will be usable. We're proposing a fountain there for children to um splash in and other outdoor dining and other pocket parks throughout. and over here and also in the single family we are offering the greenway along both creeks here and we are um providing that greenway. So it's also expanding the open space and again as I mentioned before 30% open space that's pretty significant for a development of this size and uh we're excited to offer that. These are just to show the connectivity pedestrian really quickly. You can probably all read it in your packet. you know, we're offering sidewalks throughout variations from five feet all the way to the greenway um that is 12 10 feet. So, we're offering connectivity throughout the development. That's the purpose of the mixed use is to encourage people to not get in their car and to walk within the community. Okay, we could go through some of the variances or if you have specific questions, I think John and um Todd and Shane are agreement with most of them. The ones that I highlighted in yellow were the ones highlighted in the staff report that staff perhaps had some issues with and we can go through those if you have specific comments. On number one, we are asking for these decorative garages. I think we've shared with you in the packet some of the um elevations for some of the single family homes. I think they're very

attractive. There are definitely alternative ways to accomplish this. So, we are requesting this so that we can have these direct um decorative garage doors and have front loaded garages. You have to have a lot bigger, wider lot to have the side um loading. So, this is why we're doing this request. I think on number two, yes, we are asking to have more than the um totals to allow for more than 14 lots and we are okay with the conditions that staff has proposed for that. Number three is asking for the uh eight the seven and a half feet. Eight feet is required. We're asking for it to be seven and a half. You're still getting the 15 ft between the structures. I think the next one is the number six that staff had issue with which is the 55 ft in height. I would like to remind you when you approved um McFarland Farms that's also 55 ft which is a similar mixeduse development proposed by the same developer and also the Amazon which is directly across the street is 70 ft. Um and again we're only asking that in those areas with the buildings the town center um where we're having retail on the bottom. I think the next one was number 11. This is again asking for um greater than 50% of the front facade uh to be allowable if we use uh decorative garage doors. Not uncommon. We've asked for this in other developments as well. And then number 16 is the sidewalks. 16 and 18 are related. Because of the plan with the creek and the greenway and the wetlands that are on site, we are trying to avoid any impacts to those wetlands where possible. So, we're asking for it to remain as mulch. So, if we do not impact them and also um where we are impacting the wetland that we not have

the sidewalk. But, as you can see, if we went back to the sidewalk exhibit, we're offering quite a bit of connectivity. I think the residents and other people that come to visit here will have ample opportunities to be connected and have pedestrian paths.

I think that takes care of all of those. I don't know if we also have I think unless you have any specific questions about transportation, we'll be happy to. I think Todd kind of laid it out pretty good and we're in agreement with his conditions and I would say that we are in talks with public works to assist whatever we can to some extent for improving division and we are in talks with them. We are aware that there might be some other opportunities for us to contribute If you have any other questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

I heard a lot about uh walkability and I see the single pool serving the town homes and the single family residences, but there's very little accessibility other than the parking lot, which is not very large. So, I'm just trying to understand if a second pool in that green space for the town homes might um significantly improve the walkability of the program or of the of the development. And I do like the commercial in front of those town homes as opposed to all town homes. That is much preferred.

Tulsi Patel 210 Crest Drive. Um just to provide some feedback on the second poll, we will make that amenity area sort of a destination for the entire multi uh uh town homes and single family. And typically if you're around 200 units, I think you could service uh something of that size pretty greatly with what we're intending to do with just that one amenity center. And I understand the number of units. I'm just more thinking of distance to the distance and walkability and I'm not seeing a lot of walkability from the town homes to the pool, right? Kind of a circuit circuitous route to get there.

That's also something to think of. Sorry, go ahead. That's also because of some grade changes along the way, but we will we could revisit that uh at FMDP and see if we can make a better walkable connection to the amenity center. Yeah, it's tough. I know. And it's going to be tough because there's a lot of the natural streams and rivers that we can't Yeah. unless you do bridges or something along those lines. Okay. Understood. You

guys requested it's one of your opening statements particularly on building one was the uh possible talks with a grocery chain, but yet you request reduction from a 20,000t structure to a 10,000t grocery right there. Um, how's that a prominent grocery? So, that's separate from parcel A. Parcel A is a national ger. And then we wanted uh the ability to have the space for somebody more local who could sell produce, honey, you know, dairy that right. Yeah. But it's lot one or that building noted one right here on the screen that you're requesting to be reduced down to 10,000 square feet.

No, no, not that one. just within the development like parcel B and C particularly where the commercial will be. Can you show me where that is because that seems like a talking out of both sides kind of a statement and saying that we want a prominent grocery but then we only want a grocery at 10,000 square feet. And we can revise the variance to state that just to those specific areas. How big is that? Oh, okay. That's 50,000 square foot building on partial A. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And where's the other grocery that you're asking to reduce to 10? possibly where the the A is. Um could you focus right right in up top as well?

Yeah. Yeah. Y Okay. Because it's a different mixuse that you got to have one in there as well. Correct. Okay. That makes more sense. I was like like boy prominent grocery at 10,000 square feet. I don't Our definition is prominent. Must be different. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys can bring in a Whole Foods, I think the whole city will be on board, right? That's always a goal. Let's talk about that. No, I know. Let's talk about this real quick. I've got in my report, it says that you guys plan to develop this out and uh says the phasing plan includes nine phases, but the phasing plan that I'm presented with shows in three phases. Is it nine or is it three? Well, because there subphases,

correct? Like 3 A, 3 B. So if you see the phasing plan, if you just take phase ones like 1 A, 1 B, 1 C, we sort of see them overlapping and going in simultaneously, but we we've just for the phasing purposes, we have uh labeled them different. So So ultimately, yes, there is three phases, but within each phase, there might be some labs. Pardon?

I have it up here. when you guys develop this um and you get down into phase two uh particularly down there and you begin to to come and make your connections to division is that connection being made during phase one but I mean you're not doing as as far as roads only not talking about your construction of buildings or anything else out there but particularly your roadways at what point are we going to have these connections over on to division in particularly. So the the road traveling east to west that will go in with the first phase before anything even goes in. Okay. Y

So that road would you you'd make an immediate connection over there to uh to division? Yep.

Would you guys have any objection to widening or or making that a three-lane section through there? And I mean it it gets tight quick as you guys go through there and then you're mass grading. it would allow for something to happen right there, particularly if you're going to open it up that quick. And one of the things as I looked at it here with everything that you guys got going on was even though that we press it, you see it more often than not, um 18 wheelers, dump trucks, construction traffic particularly off of division. And so, um, you know, should it go forward, definitely I'd like to add a comment for no construction traffic, um, to happen off of division. You know, the only construction traffic over there is when you begin to make your improvements along division, but as far as the development of the uh of the site itself, of course, you'll have to be off of division as you get into your phase three possibly to open up your single families. Um but as as Commissioner Franklin said, we just those roads just cannot handle that over there. Um and and really the thing that gave me the more heartburn as I looked at your plan was your connections to division. Um especially with the multiple access points back to Golden Bear. I was kind of hoping that or optimistic that this had more opportunity to hold on to Golden Bear and less onto uh um division. I can see why you made it over there, but it's just we've said it several times. Commissioner George has said it and and whatnot. It's just it's not ready for it over there, particularly with this many units. The other thing that I say and you guys made a lot of points towards this right here, your walkability and and creating the community within the community. The only thing that I see in there that's possibly lacking is what

about the rest of the community? It's it's not it's set up once you're in, you know, you're pretty good, more warm and fuzzy. Uh but I'm probably not going to be living there. Uh but you might have some things in there and it looks confusing to me. Um, just the layout and how you're bit and piecing it together. It doesn't I don't see there's things I like. And maybe it's because I can't really tell on the the plans that I have. Even right here, I can't really It's hard to decipher what's parking, what's drive, where my stop signs are, where my crosswalks are. I can't really get a feel for how this is going to work. And even right there, I mean, tell me how you decipher where the roads are, where the turns are, where the stops are, where's my four-way, where's my two-way, where's my pedestrian? It it feels designed for well within. And if I live there, I'm going to get the hang of it. But as you said, the person that wants to sell the produce, sell the honey or whatnot, um, I'm going to probably be a buyer for that. I'm confused where I'm I'm going. Um, it doesn't seem and maybe there's a different plan or something that you guys have put together that shows it a little bit more clear, but from somebody that's not going to use it on a regular basis, your ingress and egress out of your site seems diluted, seems confusing, seems packed, especially as you're increasing the height of your buildings, your sight lines are going to be gone. Um, so there's a lot in my opinion to be desired within for those that don't live within and and you're doing a lot for within, but what about us,

right? And and you know, in particular, as Commissioner Gy said over here, you're taking away in the process of this something that is for us. Um, so I hope that Commissioner Giles adds something right there because if the city does decide to sell that property, uh, which I see cars there left and right all the time and people using that trail head. Um, what about the rest of M Juls left out on this plan design? Please, Commissioner Josh. Yeah, while we're talking about that, just FYI, I'll throw this in. We have a greenway walk out there in August to highlight that greenway on that side of town. from Golden Bear. Just wanted to throw that in.

So, to address your comment about East Division, uh we'd want to take a look and see maybe have further conversations with uh Todd to see what the scope would be and possibly work something out. Uh we we want to do what's right and definitely improve the stuff that we're impacting. So, we're open to that and we'll we'll continue talking to public works to see what we can come up with. I think that's a discussion we have not had yet. Uh I did speak to Matt White this morning and uh I asked him to send over the east division improvement plans. Um he said they're very preliminary. So, we're going to meet in the next couple of weeks uh to discuss what it is that we contribute uh to to the plans for East Division. What are your realistic plans to actually go forward with this? Is it going to sit here and wait for somebody to buy it or is it going to be something that you guys are going to actively do? Uh I know you've had several projects that you've done and we've approved and we've been like it looks great, sounds great, and then it's like where's it going to go? When's it going to go?

There there's always a period of time that takes for approvals, especially with projects this large with environmental concerns. Um there's you know lengthy approval times with TDAC army core we are trying to limit our impact on here for that reason uh typically you know it takes about two years and from the time a PMDP is approved because then we have to go through FMTP go through all the other approvals uh so our goal is to actively pursue this and not sit on it we do have two active projects that we've broken ground on um but and yeah we our our business model is typically we do partner up with builders so we will potentially sell a portion of this but we'll be very mindful of who our partner is. I got one more for you and I think I don't think this was one of your discussed variances up there. Uh but one of them is the um less than a 22 it's seven on our waiver. It would be less than 22 foot long driveways uh from alley loaded and front loaded town homes uh back there. So you're requesting that 22 for only the alley

for the alley loaded town homes because at 22 feet my personal truck hangs in the sidewalk on a 22ft driveway. So we we're requesting to uh not have the 22 foot driveways behind the alleys. And in lie of that, if you look closely to the plan, we've provided ample amount of parking close to the town homes, street parking, and even some parking within that pocket of town homes. And which ones of those would be the alley loaded versus the front loaded? They are all alley. They're all alley. They're all alley loaded. Correct. Every town home is going to be alley loaded. Yes, sir. So, all the garages on the back of every one of those?

Yep. Very good. Single car garages or two cars? Two car garages on your town product. Yep. Is required per code. Yep. Shorter. So, what would people do if they had trucks like here? Well, I was thinking more from the standpoint if you go to 22. Um, my sister lives in a town home over in Providence and when I park in her driveway, my you have to go into the street to walk around my truck. No, I know you didn't like that. Yeah, I I block the sidewalk when I when I go to my sister's house basically and sitting her You don't get fined, do you?

No, no, I'm not I'm not parking in the street. I'm not going to get fined for that. Please, who's next? this project exist anywhere else in Middle Tennessee? Not the specific one, but work that you guys have done. We do have some inspiration that we took from Mchuan.

I was going to ask if it was Franklin Mchuan that that area address the walkability that you mentioned a little bit and using North Muan as a prime example, but I don't know if you've been down there. Um I live in that area and it is I'm there probably every other weekend. I mean, it is an amazing development that has really flourished and creating that town center and that synergy and it's similar that it's on a boulevard that is um a large boulevard through Cool Springs and it definitely is open. I feel when I walk from there to the other side and it's very open and walkable and this is very much our inspiration and I just want to add that you know we'll definitely look into it. I hear you. Making sure that it's walkable to everyone or or available to everyone. We are limited a little bit in that because of these creeks and not disturbing those wetlands. That does um obviously create some barrier. We're trying to work around it. We'll definitely take another look if we can increase the walkability more, but there are trails throughout. You can access the greenway from Golden Bear through our sidewalks and our um things. But the idea is and I'm going to kind of just share some. This is the Golden Bear entrance. Kind of give you a little bit visibility beyond those small pictures in the packet. You know, you coming in off of Golden Bear. This is the main entrance. It's a highly landscaped boulevard. It's beautiful. Um there's activation on both sides of the street. You see, we don't have signage that's big and separates. It is trying to blend in with Golden Bear and invite people walking along there as well. But I mean, it is a big roadway. So, and then um we're offering this is also along Golden Bear going further down where you have the town homes. Again, we're continuing that landscape boulevard there. Um providing what?

Yeah, 10 foot path. You see it on both sides. And this is the roundabout which is slowing the traffic down even more, offering more pedestrian friendly um environment. And then this is the huge lawn which I think will be visible from the entrance that we're going to invite people from the public that can come here and participate. We have the splash pad and this is also adjacent to all the um outdoor dining that we're hoping that we're able to attract here. Um high quality dining. We have parking that is on the street that's for your people coming from outside the development offering that so that it's easily accessible to the retail. This is off of east division the entrance and it's near the town homes so it's very attractive and you can see the quality of the town homes as well and there's also access on both sides of the street pedestrian connecting that to the town center thereby also connecting it to Golden Bear. This is another image of the um town homes that just kind of gives you that flavor. So, you know, I would argue that it's very walkable within the constraints that we're dealing with with the natural topography and but we will certainly take a look at it. If there's ways to improve, we definitely will.

One other thing I would like to add is that we do as part of our agreement with Mr. Martin, which I don't think he's here anymore. We've been discussing the purchase of the uh city property with him and we he he's made it very clear that that the cell would only be possible if we can uh maintain the purpose of the property. So, we're providing the trail head within the amenity center and still opening the restrooms there for public use and there's the greenway connectivity on both ends. it goes forward. I hope it looks like this.

Further questions, comments, please, Commissioner Franklin. It's probably because I'm confused, but uh site, this is a comment from our staff. Site access 6. This is on off offsite improvements. Uh site accesses shall be located on East Division Street and shall include lefthand and right-hand turning lanes on Division Street. Does is that does that mean what I hope it is that the developer is going to have a left turning lane off East Division Street and there's also going to be a right turn off Division Street. Correct. Which, you know, there's not a lot of shoulders there. There's not a lot of rideway there which we would have to

it drops off the end of the world right there. It's a pretty good Is that what I'm understand? Did I understand that correctly? Okay. That comment might change slightly based on the feedback we got from from the chairman where that would be we extend that left turn lane to a two-way left turn lane all the way down to the to the ramp. Yeah, good luck. Used to be a railroad track. Further questions, comments? Yeah, please.

Just several of the variances and waiverss um make reference to the garage doors and um offsetting the um the composition of the buildings. and just want to open up discussion amongst us as well. Um we we stay pretty strong take pretty strong stance on the access streets not to have front loaded garages. Um and that's one of those that are related to the directive decorative garage doors and my concern is we're opening that up. If we open that door all the way for other developers, they're going to ask for the same thing. And are we willing to accept that in the future?

We we actually made those homes sideloaded. So we no longer need that variance. They are sideloadad. Yes. I will resend my comment. I was going to ask did that change at some point in the last 10 years or so? The no front load. I'm just thinking in general on access streets. I think I don't I guess I'll figure out the difference. Okay. Collectors you can frontload. Is that right, Todd? Collectors, you can frontload. Accesses you can't or vice versa. Collectors you can't load at all. Yeah, collector

depending on your your volume. Collectors also would be side load only if it's permitted to have frontage, which is why they have a variance in here. Uh where I'm asking that they share driveways. And another question, uh, the greenway leading to this area, is that mulched or is that paved? Most of the path is paved. There are some areas where we have environmental constraints and that was where we were proposing the mulched path.

I I wouldn't want to press too hard on this, but I think it's important to state. I mean, there's folks that are out there that are in wheelchairs that enjoy those facilities. Well, and I've got a friend in wheelchair who would complain up and down about approving mulch in a trail. Fishing children. Yeah. It's just it one the mulch is hard to maintain. It's hard to keep in place. It can w get washed away, make ruts, make tripping hazards. I'm not a fan of that. I' I'd prefer it be paved. We can find a way to get around the environmental side of it. We can probably make some efforts to do that.

Yeah, we actually removed the mulch because of another neighborhood, Stone Hollow, if I'm not mistaken. Uh we'd allowed them to do mulch trails in a environmental zone. And uh the first environmental situation that run came along, we had a mud trail and the mulch went with the environmental. So, and by that time the HOA had control of it and guess who repaired it? Nobody. So, that's kind of where we got off the mulch and for that right there. Further questions, comments?

Last one. The front facing wanting to have the garage door be decorative be part of the facade. I haven't heard that one before flush. So that was in relation to the other variance that if we do have the front loaded garages on access streets and we'll make them decorative, make them look nice. So I I think that could also be removed. Uh the only variance we need in relationship to the garage is the two foot column in between. That's fine. Y that's fine. Great. Okay. Yeah, I agree on the I'm not a fan of the 50/50 masonry secondary.

I think we need to hold firm on that 7030 that we've been doing. Staff comments on that. Yeah. Yeah. I guess the only other comment that I'd have again should this continue to move forward, this is probably the most comments I've seen on something here in a long time. There used to be a point to where staff would not let it something with this many comments come before planning commission until you cleaned it up. Um, and you got some cleaning to do. Um, I would encourage you strongly not to send it to the board of commissioners this diluted and with this much to absorb. Um, need to clean it up a little bit. Yep. We'll continue to work with staff to clean all that up.

Y further questions, comments? Thank you guys. This time, let's call for citizen comments. Any citizens wishing to make comment are welcome, encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, looking for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. I want to make a positive recommendation, but I'm going to need help capturing everything that we've discussed. The condition of including the sale of city property in the motion, we'll include that. You're going to allow them to do that or make them bring it back?

Allow them to do that. You want to talk about that? Let's talk about that. I'm fine. You know, here's here's where I have a big problem with a developer that's developed so many parcels of land in this city coming and all of a sudden we give them much opportunity to buy this. But yet, I don't think this has been out in the public for anyone to bid on it. You know, what if you wanted to buy it? What if you wanted to buy it? What if you wanted to buy it? You know, where's the fair? Where's the fairness in a city? This is government property. That's where I have my problem with this. So, don't include that. Make

Yeah. I just I think that it should be fair and equitable to anybody. If the city owns property, anybody should have a chance to buy it, not just one developer. But that's the way I feel. They could still press forward. They just had to bring that one item back. Yeah, I I'll pull that one back. Okay.

Um improving division to three lanes in front of the town homes. Talked about that. Um, no construction traffic for development on division except for modifications to division itself. Um, and I think we don't support the 70 or don't support the 50/50. You just support staff comments?

Just support staff comments at, you know, as noted by staff. Um, I think that finishes it. Open to amendment. May I add one? Yes. uh with the possibility to add a stoplight at Golden Bear. Um where the division access point is and then reduction in town homes addition of commercial and what is noted as phase 2A as it fronts Golden Bear. So amended. Can I add two potentially? I didn't hear about the 55 ft.

Are we good with the 55 ft? I mean, I think there's precedents surrounding in other communities, but I just didn't hear that. I'm good with it. I'm good with that. And then, can we make it a condition to where they can't access the Rutland Drive entrance until they're building phase three? I don't think there'd be a reason for them to access it in phase one or two, but I would like to just safeguard those people to to live around it as long as possible. Good call. Yes. Amended. You want to hold that second because Okay, it's a motion and a second. Oh sh by Commissioner Armstead. Excuse me. Have another bit you'd like to add? I can't vote on this. Can I motion? Can he remove his motion?

I can't vote. I've got to remove my motion. I apologize. Motion. Apologize. Commissioner George will pick up the motion as stated. Would you like to carry your second? Very well. I'm excited. So, it's a motion for a positive recommendation with all of what was said and a second. Um, all those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I against I I'm in a motion. Thank you. Don't speak from the floor. Against. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I

against extensions. So that is 43. So that would pass. That is a positive recommendation. I will clarify that for you. Uh but let me conduct business before you interrupt me next time. Um what he what Commissioner George said was no ex the phase three connection to Rutland will not be opened until it is complete. Yeah. So you're basically your construction traffic and everything's coming through your phase one pretty much.

That top part of rutland they can do is the rutland. Yeah, it's the spine rutland for the single family. All right. Um, sorry about that. No, no, no. Our next item up, uh, on the agenda is item 7 C. Uh, it's also recommendation item back to the board of commissioners to review the preliminary master development plan PUD with a reszone from RS20 to CTC PUD for the Springs at Mount Juliet located at 2937 Kurd Road. John Glenn,

sure thing. Um, go up Golden Bear Gateway North and we'll get to this one. Um, this is another mixeduse pod. Uh, they're requesting CTC zoning for the base zoning here. This is just town homes and commercial. Um, 36,000 ft of commercial and 158 town homes. Uh this this has frontage on Kurd Road and Golden Bear. And if you've looked at the plans, you'll notice that they got the commercial up against the Golden Bear uh frontage with the parking behind it. Staff does appreciate that. Um this is 20 acres, 7.9 units an acre. All that is acceptable for our ordinances and the base zoning here. Um these are uh or pardon me this is uh unlike the last one we got only three waiverss with this um they're pretty pretty simple um internal streets to be private and the facade waivers is a little fussy here but I'll try to read it here clearly. They're ask they're asking that the fronts of the commercial buildings be 100% brick. Um the fronts or the street facing sides and that facades not facing the street will be 40% brick. That's just for the commercial. Um, so that would mean that the town homes would comply with the 100% masonry and staff supports that arrangement with the 100% street facing and 40% not facing the street

if the town homes are masonry, 100% masonry. And then they have signage uh the signage requested to include two ground mounted entry monuments for the overall development and one ground mounted sign for each commercial building totaling seven ground mounting signs. Staff does not support. The code allows up to two freestanding signs. Groundmounted signs or ground mounted sides. The request for individual ground mounted signs for each commercial entity will not be pleasing for this area, aesthetically pleasing for this area. staff would be in support of allotting additional height and square footage for the two ground mounted development signs. So only those three waiverss. Um no land use amendment. Land use plan supports the reszone request here. Um if you look through the conditions, there's a couple things in there. A lot of these are typical PUD conditions. Um, some of the more interesting ones I guess I'd say is, you know, we've got an unusual, in my opinion, interface with these town homes, right up against the commercial and right up against the amenity parking areas. And, you know, we've spent the part of this meeting talking about commercial up against residential. And in this instance, it's they're jammed right there. They, you know, right on the parking lot for the commercial. We've asked that they provide buffers. They've got a little bit of a buffer shown there, but I I think they could do better um specifically in that area. But again, this is another one staff recommends approval um or recommends positive recommendation for the BOC um with all these conditions. And like I said, we'd like to see a little bit more of a especially in the north half of this where the town homes interface with the commercial, it could be isolated a little bit better, a little screened a little bit better, I think. Um, if you'll notice the uh the units facing

out towards the main roads, that'll be the front. They're rear their rear load in that instance. So, you're not going to have the backs of these, you know, up against the main roads. Um, I guess those are the high points on this one, but if you got any questions, let me know. Staff does recommend positive to the BC. Thank you.

Jane, public works. Commissioner Giles is aware of this fact, but this project has reserved the last remaining sewer capacity in this part of town. Uh we had a workshop with the BOC in May. So with that routing that they had initially wanted to take their sewer through the gravity system along Highway 70 to uh the pump station in front of West Wilson utility district's offices. The capacity was insufficient. So they are proposing to send their sewer south to the Maple Crossing residential development. and pump their sewer going through uh Tuscan Gardens. I was going through my report and I mentioned I I did not see a comment that I had uh had in here previously, but the on-site pump station that's serving this development will be public and built to our standard. So, I'd like to enter that comment into the record and Another request that the developers made is to use grinder systems. About 99% of the pud since I've been in this seat, I I don't request require having uh grinder systems within puds. But with the severe grades that they are dealing with on this site, we have agreed to assess the use of grinders at FMDP. If we do deem to allow a number of

grinders on the system in within the development for each grinder they use, a redundant grinder system will be provided to the city for future maintenance. In case if they install 10 grinders in this system, in this development, the developer uh shall provide us 10 systems that we keep in inventory for future maintenance. Uh final thing I'll touch on is the uh furnish sidewalk along Golden Bear Gateway. Uh if you've been down this property, there's a bluff that uh faces Goldenberg Gab right now. Uh I when FMDP does occur, uh and this is typically standard, but I just wanted to put this on the record. Uh we would like to see the detailed grading of that at FMDP. That's a that'll be a massive undertaking to lower that bluff to put the road through. So, we uh we just want to make sure all the grades work with that. And that I'll toss it over to Todd for uh roadways.

Yeah. Um you know, we've talked about this area a lot. We're just south of of Lebanon Road at Bender Ferry. Um no help's coming on that site. Uh we're still not in the T.10ear 10-year plan to get widening. Um the good news is we do have plans to widen Golden Bear Gateway um essentially just to the south of this site. I think we're either on or diagnost the the cut off point of where Golden Bear will be widened out to five lanes. Um, this project I I am asking that they install a left turn lane on Lebanon Road at Kurd Road. Um, they do trigger the HAM warrant with their traffic alone. Um, it will be hard to do. As such, I don't think they have enough sufficient room to taper back down before they get to Bender Ferry. So, I'm actually asking, similar to what we just asked for on Division Street, that they widen the entire section to three lanes from Kurd Road to um Golden Bear Gateway along Lebanon Road. Uh their site accesses are there's going to need to be a left turn lane and a right turn lane. Their site access from Golden Bear and then a left turn lane from their access on Kurd Road. No right turn lane would be required. Uh internally on the site, they've got a lot of the same um concerns that front-loaded town home units typically have in that unless you provide a full standard, you know, access lane street section, getting sidewalks in that are going to be ADA compliant is going to be

challenging. Um what we have shown proposed and um is the two-foot grass strip between the sidewalk and the edge of the curb. Uh that is the minimum allowed in the subdivision regulations and is now actually less than that but they are the subdivision regulations prior to amending them tonight. Um, with that they're going to have steeper driveways, but I'm more comfortable with discomfort to the driver than the pedestrian and keeps us in line with uh ADA requirements, which we really can't be flexible on. Um, we we are asking that turn lanes go in immediately as soon as they touch our rightway. Uh, so that will be prior to the first CO. And if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Commissioner Josh, Shane, going back on the uh the grinders you were talking about, that would be 10. That would be 10 new ones. Correct. I use 10 as an example, but for for each one that we permit installation of that grinder system that's put in the development, we get a full system. So they just buy two at one time is basically what it is. This doesn't wave any kind of sewer capacity fee, does it? No sir.

Okay. Uh and then also you mentioned that that pump station would be public. Would you explain why that's public and what benefit that is to us? Um, if you talk to our utilities director, Tim Forkham and I, uh, we treat wastewater as a public health issue. And as Tim always says, the city's in the sewer business. Uh, and we're good at it. As such, whenever that pump station were to need maintenance or has an issue or preventative maintenance, it would be the city's responsibility with full-time staff that maintenances, troubleshoots, and provides service to that pump station

who are trained to do so. But with that in mind, is that station large enough to be able to increase maybe some of the capacity to other possible developments? Because one of the things that most of y'all realize is that and he he made the statement tonight. We are out of capacity on the north side of Lebanon Road. It's gone. So, uh I will bring that up when we have any development come because we don't have any capacity and we're we're trying to do it's in our budget in in city's budget. We're getting ready to to build a new pump station. But with that in mind, is there any capacity addition in this or or areas to to put additional capacity with this particular pump station?

No sir. This pump station will be we're recommending it that it serve its development. Uh at the moment um the what we're looking to do on a much bigger scale this amount would be a very very small percentage of that. So as such as capacity was available to the development, we just asked them to build a pump station to serve their development to then tie into an existing tie into another pump station that's already been built to then pump out to Highway 70.

Okay. Thank you. Could you mention pushing that sewer from this development through Tuscan Gardens potentially Park Glenn Triricon? What what's that look like or what could the ramifications be? Basically what it's going to do is this development will pump sewer south to the pump station that was built for the Maple Crossing development at the uh at the four-way stop.

Yeah. which that development in turn pumps or daylights into the sewer system that was already built for Tusken Gard. So it's kind of it's tributary running toward running through uh Tusken Gardens Park Glenn then onto the highway 70 pump station. So it's just add more flow that to already existing infrastructure that had that had the capacity. Okay. All right. Got a couple please. Commissioner George.

Let's start with the nitpicky and then I'll go into overall project. Uh this is for John and Jill. Male kiosk has four spots. Any concern on that being not enough spots? Um the first issue I see is there's not any guest parking on that side. night. As someone who lives in a townhouse whose mail parking is consistently full by people that are not getting their mail all night, um, does four look like enough? Kio, I'd say so. Yeah, that's how many are at the one I live in. There's never anybody parked there.

Yeah, I just park on the road because there's no response. So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then um I noticed and probably going to get a little flack for this, but a bike rack at each commercial building even though you could throw a rock from one commercial building to another. Is that really That's the code. That's the code. I know. But three bike racks for three buildings that are right next to each other. Could we not do like a bike rack kiosk just for those three? I'm fine with it on the other side. It's just I agree. Sometimes it we're getting like what one, two, we're getting a lot of bike racks for Yeah. Sometimes the code it results in some Yeah.

head scratchers. I think if they provided the number the proper number of spaces somehow across these buildings because there is a requirement per per vehicular parking space. How many bike spaces? You know, that'd be something we could support. Yeah. Yeah. Just too many bike racks. Yeah. That's right. Right.

And then I think the last thing is just I'm going to touch on the project overall because you know I'm only one vote on here and I think there's been many of times that what I want to happen doesn't always happen and that's the that's the beauty of having nine people on this commission. I don't think this is the right spot for this type of project. You've got a two-lane road on both sides of this project surrounded by single family. I don't think multif family is the right answer here. Um, if Kurd Road was wider, if Goldenberg Gateway was wider, maybe we could have some discussions. But with Stone Hollow's additional phases, with Maple Crossing, with Tuskin, with parish places existing, it's all single family. I just don't think this is the right place for multif family personally. That's all I got.

Please, Commissioner Franklin. There's an odd amount of rightway on Golden Bear is about 90 feet or so. Is that correct? Uh their plan says 92. 92. Okay. Do we need more right away to widen that to a viable five lane crosssection someday? What would be the optimum amount of rightway needed? um in addition to 92 because this might be a golden opportunity to get it or ask for it anyway. That is a great point. Give me one second.

While he's looking at that, I may comment that that acquisition. Are you talking about on Golden Bay? That may have to come from the the the property owner on the the west side. I don't know. This side. Okay. Well, I don't know. I'm just saying that might be where it come from. uh what our cross-section nowadays for a five for the southern end of go there for example what is what is our total cross-section there

um I I so I I did bring up our standard cross-section for our community collector and it's 110 ft however there are there is room to reduce that cross-section uh in your outside buffer spaces uh your grass strips knowing that you're not allowed to have access except for at your your plan points. Um, and your your median could come down a little bit where 92 is not out of the realm of possibility. That said, as Shane brought up, you know, there's that bluff where I don't necessarily want to own anything once you get in that slope. Um,

well, if it's for I'd rather have it and not need it than have to buy it then. That's No, it's a great point. It is.

Um, I'm going to look and see what the rightway is in our latest Golden Bear expansion. Uh, and I can give you a more definite answer about what that rightaway is. Uh, if you want to continue with your questions. Well, just for the the commission, it's it's sort of been an ongoing thing if we if if a development like this with all this density uh which to Mr. George's point, you know, it's between two-lane roads and this has got to be a five lane, four-lane, five lane road someday. Golden Bear is going to be um if we need more rightway, now's the opportunity to talk about it or at least what 1,200 ft of it.

I agree. I'll piggyback particularly Commissioner George and and yours as well. My one of my biggest things that I am concerned about this is is the east west that rolls through here um and the tendency for students etc to uh to take a different route particularly as Golden Bear backs up uh to test the waters at Curve Road. Um, we could put a condition for a stoplight there at Kurt Road all we want. I don't think we'd be able to get it done T DOT and monumental other items and staff. Not sure whether or not you'd want or not want uh a stoplight at Kurd Road at this point. It doesn't have any Excel, no turning lanes or improvements at Kurd. Um, I like it from a traffic standpoint if Lebanon Road was improved up there. um you know it could work a couple of uh raised crosswalks um lie within to kind of slow that traffic that's going to go east to west through it and it will go east to west through it without a doubt. Um there's going to be no question about that. And then you once I can move on past the traffic, the other things that concern me is the the lack of any quality amenities allowed within it. uh to me a playground at the corner of uh of the uh of the development. I mean, nothing screams go let your kids play, but get them closer to the major road. Um

be in your subdivision,

but that seems to not work. And then where the amenity center is located and you have no parking um even for the amenity center and we've already talked about the topographical challenges that lie within and your ability to get ADA sidewalks even in. I mean it's great to say that people are going to walk. Um I mean they're probably not. So where do you where do you go? What do you do? Um, I like the idea of the commercial there towards the front. Uh, personally, I'd like to see this develop all out more of a single family somewhere along the lines of a quarter acre lot to uh to a halfacre lot style development right in here that be more harmonious with the neighborhoods surrounding it and uh than what we're being presented with here today. Uh just to circle back, I did look at the Golden Bear plans and 92 feet right away is what we're calling for or widening to the south. So,

okay. No additional would be required. Yeah, completely agree with you on the amenities. The playground having to cross two or three roads to get to it right by the main entrance. Well, secondary entrance not great. And no park.

Yeah. And then what is a mixeduse commercial and amenity center? So there's going to be a business in the amenity center along with an outdoor area. So everybody hanging out at their amenity center gets to watch all the traffic going up and down Golden Bear. Um you know that section between 68 and 75 and 92 and 99. You take out those 16 units and that's a beautiful spot for an amenity center right in the middle of everything and then that green area by 130 is a great area for a playground. I mean it don't think it would take a whole lot of additional to make that happen. To

the commissioner's point, I mean based based off of the parking we've got there. Who's used to say you can even park in your amenity center if you've got commercial space that's shared with it and having kids and families walk across parking lot. Yeah. No striping. Well, even the playground's a good example of that. There's no direct way unless you want to play Frogger and leap across the road.

Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. That was about right about to go there. Let's uh go and call for representation for this project. Uh microphone name and address for the record.

And my name is Michael Dwey with Dwey Engineering, 2925 Berry Hill Drive in Nashville. Um, yeah, we met with Miss Hamlin back at the beginning of uh 2024 and uh she was very clear with us that uh we we propose town homes. That's what the property owner and developer wanted to do. She was very clear with us that uh there would need to be commercial um along the frontage. Uh we also talked about at that point in time the the u what these town homes would would look like um and the and a little bit of the topography uh issues. So over the past 12 to 18 months we've gone because this is a challenging site with with the topography with the um uh sewer. But we've worked with staff for the past 12 18 months to try and figure out how to get um the city's uh needs met while also meeting the developers needs. And um so the the commercial if we can take you know we're not opposed to um the idea behind the the amenity center was where it says mixed use u like 2,000 square feet for um commercial with an office space um leasing area um just another area to to complement that um the amenity center open area. But if if we want to take away some commercial to add the the um the amenity center that that could work.

the the playground um was something that was added very uh you know as you guys remember we deferred in in uh April and work with staff a little bit more and one of the things that they asked for at that point in time was a playground. So we did add the playground in the area that we had available. Um, we are open to looking at areas, you know, like you guys suggested, some different areas to uh to to put that. Um, just with the topography and uh just the available area for this site, there's there's not um like I said, we're we're open to to relocating some of the uh to to relocating the playground. Uh with all of that said, we the the conditions of approval um uh through all the back and forth with staff, which by the way, Miss Hamlin and really all of staff has been extremely helpful um trying to get this um to be a viable product to to bring in front of you guys. Uh we just have a five conditions um that that we would need clarification on or or to discuss tonight, but uh uh I'm happy to answer questions before we get into that.

You mentioned leasing. Is this are these going to be for sale or is this a rental? Oh, I'm sorry. Not there for sale. Okay. Thank you. questions, comments. You took my question away. I heard leasing and that was my first question. I was like, sorry for sale. Are they for sale? That other thing that's fe whatever are they fe simple or are they the other whatever it's called the horizontal property? Yes.

Yeah. There there's no public ride ofway along there. The only public ride ofway is along um is between Kurd and uh Golden Bear. And so all of these will be on private uh roads and only way to do uh that is by HPR horizontal property regular agreement. Okay. I got to get that term down. It's just, you know, it's com it's it wasn't common a few years ago. It's now.

It is something that we talked about with with staff quite a bit of public roads and private roads and and these will all be private private roads. Any questions or comments? Thank you guys. This time let's go ahead and call for assistant comments. Any citizens wishing to make comment are welcome to courage to do so. Please come to the microphone, state your name and address for the record.

Christopher Montini, 2993 Kurd Road. Um, just want to say, Mr. Chairman, thank you for for saying it and some of the other commissioners. Um, this this development just doesn't belong in this area. Um, everything else around it single family homes. And to say that it would not have an adverse effect on the adjacent property owners would be a massive understatement. Um seems tonight that traffic in the city has been a major theme and and and you guys know what that area is like over there. Um you've got that the Maple Crossing uh subdivision that just got put in recently. Uh Tomlinson Point is starting up and we're already seeing the effects of that. You can't even get out of Kurd Road on the Lebanon Road any time of day. It's impossible. Um I do like the fact that they do have a road that cuts through from Kurd to Golden Bear. That's going to be my cutthrough if that actually happens. Um but I I still feel like that's not going to be sufficient. just all the traffic that has to come out of all those subdivisions out onto those main roads is it's already impossible. Nearly impossible. Very very unsafe. I've seen so many near misses just in front of my house. Um what else can I say? Um uh the the the thing with the the waiver for the private road. I don't understand what that means. So I'd appreciate if somebody can explain that. Would that give them the ability to to close that road off and make it not available to us? If somebody can explain that when I'm finished talking, that'd be great. If if that's the case, I'd say we oppose it for that because it's my cut through if they develop this. Um, and that's it. I'd appreciate the chance to talk to the developers about what some of this stuff's going to look like

after afterwards, but I'd appreciate it if you guys oppose this one. Thank you. Thank you. Todd, do you want to expand on that private road definition? Yeah, the main east west road running between Golden Bear Gateway and Kurd Road is going to be public. It's the individual roads that the town homes themselves are on are going to be private. And that just means that the development would be responsible for the upkeep of those roads in the future. Correct.

Correct. tied together. What are you doing? You got that? Did you print that one?

Two different projects.

All right. Uh, this Do I have back call for assistant comments? I happen to have a I have Oh, very well. Sorry, got into a sidebar up here. See no additional assistant comments. I'm looking for a recommendation in regards this item on our agenda. Make a motion for a negative recommendation. All comments comments. It's a motion and a second for a negative recommendation. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I

against extensions. That is a negative recommendation. All right. Next item up uh on the agenda falls underneath this. Uh let me before I add this right here would we're pumping 935 right now. Not that I want to extend this out especially because many of you know that I have to drive all the way to southeast Missouri as soon as this is done but would it behoove everyone to take about a five minute quick break and then jump back in. Yeah. We're going to adjourn for five minutes. or intentionally screwing up.

All right. Thank you guys. Uh thank everyone for your patience right there. Give us a little quick break. Uh we are going to uh to resume our meeting here of the Mount Juke Planning Commission at which time uh we'll begin uh underneath item 8A. Item 8A is to review the site plan for Seven Brew located at 11226 Lebanon Road. Miss Johnson, talk about some commercial.

Um, this is a uh drive-through coffee shop that is going to be located at 1226 Lebanon Road. It is actually going to go where the current dry cleaners is that sits between Nutrition Nova and Dollar General. Um the existing dry cleaners will cease and desist. The building will be demolished and if approved, this uh coffee shop will be there. They're going to have a two-lane drive-thru with uh they're also going to have a cooler on the a freestanding cooler on this development as well. Um the parcel is currently zone CG, surrounding parcels of CG. The access to this location will be via Lebanon Road with the access easement that's provided into the Kroger Shopping Center. There's also an existing access easement with the Dollar General. Um, and they will also have shared parking as such. So, all of the existing agreements will follow in with this new development. Um, there's been some questions and I'll let uh public works speak more to some of the pedestrian access. There is a current sidewalk that does exist along Lebanon Road. With that, we are requesting a pedestrian access via the sidewalk that is ADA accessible. So, there's been some questions, but I'll I'll again I'll let public works speak more to that. Um, they meet all of the bulk regulations. Um, they're not requesting any waivers as far as that goes. Um, the only two waivers that they have, um, one is to deviate from the parapit wall for the rooftop. Staff does support that. And then also they are requesting a waiver for um individually laid brick. This is a modular building. So they uh want to put modular brick uh that would correspond with this type of building. So staff does support both of those. Um we recommend approval of this site plan and with any conditions that we have listed and if you have any questions we're happy to answer.

Let's get public works real quick. Shane, anything you wish to add on this or Todd?

Yeah, as Jill mentioned, we're requesting pedestrian access from the public right away. Um, we did, you know, this is a drive-thru only restaurant. Uh, so there was some questions and we did reach out to the access board which governs the the ADA. Uh, and they did advise that yes, that pedestrian access will be required. Uh similarly, their ADA spot is currently at 3% slope. That will need to be raised up so it can get down to 2% slope. Uh and their drive aisle needs to be widened from 24 ft to 26 ft. Other than that, it's a pretty simple site.

Thank you. Anything else, Shay? Uh comment number 10 in my staff report, I'd like to strike that they've already they did submit a preliminary drainage report and uh obviously they wouldn't be here. So that was just a typo on my part, but uh comment number 10 can be struck from the record. Very well. Commissioner J, you had a question. Yeah. What is And I should know, but you're talking about the brick, Jill. What is that? Did you say modular brick? What did you say? Modular brick. It's not um individually laid like the fullsize brick. It's more of like a thin brick. Um I'm not Is it on a sheet or is it just like pieces of tile? But

I'd probably have to ask a representative because I'm not as familiar with that with the construction design. Yeah, I've got another question or two for him. And then we're talking about the access and and maybe and representation can probably answer this too. So since it's drive-in only though, can someone walk up to it and order like you can at Okay, that's fine on that. That's fine. I was just wondering about that and um so so I don't know why they would be name and address for the record real quick.

Place Nashville, Tennessee. Uh we are have we're struggling with the same thing. It's a 100% drive-thru. We got zero opportunity for walk up service. Uh the only people that are inside the building are the employees. We're providing a handicap spot with ADA accessible route from that spot to the building. The problem that I'm having, and I typically don't uh have an issue bringing a handicap route to the building, but the grade change from Lebanon Road to our parking is six plus feet. I've got 12 feet in order to get down that grade.

So, I've got to do a switchback right in the very front of the store. Uh, it's going to be extremely expensive and it's it's not needed. We've got no customers that that walk up to the building. Well, yeah. Here's the thing about that if I if I may. Okay. So, where are your employees parking? Uh, so we've got uh there's five parking spaces in the front that will intersect with that route, that ADA route that comes down the hill. And then there's three more parking spaces in the back behind the building. So, typically this the shifts are five employees at a time. Uh we like to have one or two overlap. So, whenever there the shift changes, we've got a couple extra spaces. Right.

But, uh well, as far as that sidewalk's concerned to go up there, I think maybe two though, you're going to have employees working if they take a break and they wanted to go walk and so many people do during their breaks that would utilize that that would provide it for them. And I'm not saying I'm asking or saying I wouldn't vote for that waiver. I'm just saying that's where that could be utilized. And as far as the the the uh handicap is concerned, I forget how close that has to be to the building, but obviously you've got to provide something for an employee, wouldn't you? Yes. Yes, we are providing that handicap space and then an accessible route to the building. But this handicap that we're talking about is the route

is for public from the public sidewalk on Lebanon down the hill. I understand. And I and I and I know I've gone to that. Okay. And this question for you has nothing to do with this. I just want to know. Yes, sir. Is this is about your coffee. Okay. I Everybody knows I drink a lot of coffee. So, somebody told me when you go through the they I guess they have specially drinks and all that. Do you just have straight coffee? Yes, sir. Okay. Very good. Absolutely. Very good. By the way, well, somebody told me one of those drive-thrus, you know, they ordered coffee. Said, "Well, we don't have just straight." Yes. I I get the regular coffee. My goodness. And so, but there is 2200 combinations of drinks you can get out of this 500 foot building. But yes, they do have stand.

Mine would just be straight most of the time. So, a question on the Thank you. The you were talking about the modular brick. Um what we were asking to do was uh it's it's a cementitious board that's stamped to look like brick. So it's concrete board but it looks like brick and it's a couple different colors. Dark color on the Wayne's coat and then a light color up above. That is what we are asking for. Is it Hardy? It's it's called Niha is the brand name of it. But it is a cementitious board. It's similar to Hardyens, but it it is a cementitious board that is stamped to look like brick. You can't tell the difference. How do you secure it to the building?

Uh there's channels that go up that attach to the building and then the panels attach to I'm sorry. I didn't see who would ask that question right here. I'm sorry. Uh there's channels that attach to the building and then the the panels themselves attach to that channel. So there is drainage behind just like you would have in a a standard traditional brick.

So you're not no sticks to build this building. You're literally bringing in a modular. This building is built in Kansas. It'll show up on the back of a truck. It's 510 square feet. Uh there's a accessory cooler building that's 238 square feet that goes adjacent to it. They'll show up on the back of a truck. We'll unload them and have them hooked up within three days and ready to go once we get the foundations and everything in place. Is that brick a deal breaker? The brick is not a deal breaker. It complicates the uh the whole development. We can't put brick on it at the factory. Yeah, of course.

So, it really slows down and disrupts the whole process. That's why we're asking to We can do the cementitious and we can actually do thin brick on at the factory as well if that's an option that you would prefer. But, um I mean if you if you've got to have the standard modular brick, we'll figure out a way to get it done. The only reason I ask is I'm pretty sure a couple months ago we told Waffle House no right on their modular brick. Correct. So I would entertain that. We also told a special hamburger place that we would throw our design standards out the window for them to come here. So I would say there's for me

not that. But I I I'm fine with that type of brick specifically because and public works can correct me if I'm wrong. That's what's on this building we're sitting in. So, no, it's not. It's not a It's not an AI. Is that the same standard you other location? Yes, that is the prototype that we build everywhere. Yes. The drawing here, correct me if I'm wrong, but that road west of this should show as connecting to Lebanon Road, right? The road to the west. Yes, that's the access point into the Kroger. Okay.

And Lebanon Road is sorry, just north of that. Yeah. Yeah. And then we connect into the we you'll come west out of our site in two locations that'll connect to that. But that's going to remain, right? It looks like there's a I don't know a sidewalk going across that that maybe that's just the draw. Yes, that's uh that's actually the way it shows up on the Alta survey that we received. Um I don't know if it's actually broken there, but it appears like you're driving across the sidewalk. Just wanted to understand if if there's any possibility of making that a no left turn, that would be amazing just in general. But I know that's I figured it's out it's that is out of my control off the property.

I figured as much that's not not ever going to happen. Um I I would agree with you though. I sat in that location whenever I was uh surveying that building and it took me about 10 minutes to get out. Yeah. It's terrible. That's one of the one of the bad problems that you have with the traffic is a really good problem for me. Yeah. All the traffic that comes through that area. Yeah. My my first thing when I saw the site plan, I asked staff if we could put a condition on you to make that a right in right out uh right there at your access to Lebanon Road. And unfortunately, I'm not allowed to ask that. I wouldn't have a problem with him. If I control it, we just he doesn't own it. We just we can't

Yeah. If I controlled that, I would have a problem with that at all. But I I don't. That's a That's a Kroger issue. The stop lights so easy to get to over there on B Road. It always uh uh excited about your coffee. I hate that I'm losing That's my dry cleaner right there. So in years and years. Well, depending on what you say tonight, if it goes well tonight, we'll give notice in the morning and they'll have 30 days and it'll be gone.

Let me tell you what. I' I've got a I'm familiar with Nichi High product. Yes, sir. um which is a very high-end product uh as far as sighting manufacturers and their options. I'm not familiar with Nichi a brick pattern though familiar with its install how it works durability of it longevity of it is is all good. Um unfortunately you don't have that with you. Uh you have a sample in the car. I would love to see a sample in the car. I think I do

because as Commissioner George stated over here, I'm not necessarily a fan of the facade of the building in which we sit at the moment. Um, but u I know Niha makes a good product um and a lifelong product. The main reason why we've deferred off quick bricks um or or a cut brick, you know, that you're going to put on with a a lathe and whatnot. Um durability. Mhm. Um the way that it can age versus a a regular brick, and I know it's technically real brick. They've just sliced it in half or down to quarters really is what they've done. Yeah.

So licking stick. Yeah. And that's essentially what it is right there. Um, I hate to tell you no on on the niha without seeing it. Um, I I guess it really only changes it from the standpoint you'd have to drop your building and extend your footer out to support it and create a brick ledge for it and to be able to to go up through it. And then you'd have to on these awnings just create passroughs for your brick or lentils to carry your brick above the weight. um if you didn't have passroughs on your awnings and whatnot right there.

Um I'd be excited to have you there, but I'm I'm struggling with as Commissioner George just said over there, we just stood firm quarter mile down the road from you on that. Um well, it's certainly not going to be a deal breaker for me if you don't allow me to put an Nichchi High on this building. We want to be here. We're We've got a lot of money invested at this point. I'll put brick on it if that's what you make me do. I'd prefer not to, but Sure. So, they just delivered the the shell, you create the foundation and footer. This building is 100% done when it shows up. 100%.

So, we build it's it's got a 4ft crawl space under it. So, we'll build the slab, stem walls, uh bring all the utilities into that cavity, drop the building on top of it, bolt everything down, hook all the utilities up, and we're ready to go. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, commercial on crawl. It's a It's 100% done.

All we do once we get it set in place, it takes three days to get all the equipment put in inside the building and then it's ready to go. So, it's complete walls are done. It's it's on the uh uh state uh modular inspection program. So, everything's inspected at at the manufacturer. All the walls are sealed up, ceilings put in, lights, plumbing, electrical, everything's there. I was fixing to say the building inspectors are going to have fun with this one. They don't have to look at it. Yeah. All they have to look at is that the connection points. So, it's all it's all pre-approved before it gets there. A question. Please, Commissioner George. Can you talk about your maintenance schedule? Maintenance having just outside maintenance, having that type of modular brick.

We've actually had really good luck. I've I I have been designing uh developing Dollar Generals for the last 20 years. We just I just got into this coffee business here in the last year and a half. But uh I put Nichiha on buildings for the last 20 years and have had zero issues with them. They are fantastic product. Uh maintenance is nothing. That's non-existent. I I'm fine with the Nitiha. I think where it differs from down the road is that this is a completely different beast. This is what is done at every single location. It's built off site. It's brought in. This isn't

this isn't a from the ground up like I would argue Waffle House. I will say I do like the project. I do like seven brew coffee and um if anybody wants to look at the top 15 national coffee brands um we have about half of them now in the city of Mount Juliet and I'd argue we've got the most for any similarsized city in the country. So you're getting ready to get the fastest growing coffee brand. Yeah, I'd be I'd be excited to to have it. But I really like the product. I I'm fine with the Nichi brick. I know we everybody's kind of got an opinion, so I don't know if we need to kind of vote on that waiver separately or or what needs to happen. Yeah, it's when it comes to exterior products, that's a leading certainly a leading manufacturer above all out there by far.

And Mr. Chair, if I don't have that in my car, I will bring I've got I know I've got a sample at the house and I'll bring it here and drop it off tomorrow if I don't have it in the car with me tonight. questions, comments? You're welcome. Thank you. Yes, sir. Let me go ahead and call for citizen comments regards this item on the agenda. Any assistance wish to make comment are welcome and encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, like to ask for a motion in regards to this item on the agenda. Mo motion to approve with staff comments supporting both waiverss. I'll second that.

It's a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I against abstensions. So approve. Next item up on our agenda falls underneath item 8B to review the site plan for industrial drive storage located at 335 Industrial Drive. Mr. John.

Yes, sir. 335 industrial district three. Um this is a threetory self-s storage building. It's uh you know it's on the curve on industrial as you have to head south on the uh on the east side of the road there. And there's already it's already improved. The site's already got two structures on it. Uh driveways and parking spaces and things like that. So, what they're going to do here, um, there was also a preliminary plat on the, uh, consent agenda approved where they create the they're going to create a lot back there. It's 1.19 acres. That lot's going to be, and it's zoned IG, so the use is permitted by right. Um, three stories, 35 ft. Um, that is the gist of it, but it's a three-story building and it's back up there. It'll be back the back of the lot adjacent to the side of Linhaven there. Um that isn't quite build out but it will be eventually and that is pertinent because in I in industrial districts here in this instance where you have industrial zoning up against residential zoning like this the code has a requirement for 100 foot buffer area free and clear. It doesn't need to have landscaping in it. It's just 100 ft of open space or space in between the two districts. The code does allow this board to consider alternative buffering in lie of that 100 foot space, which they do. They've got a 33 foot landscape buffer proposed up against Linhaven there. It's going to be a 33ft buffer plus the drive aisle around the building. It's not going to be right up on the uh property line. It is going to need this

board to approve that buffer in lie of the 100 foot free and clear open space that the code requires. Um staff actually supports that in this instance. The other waiver here is the facade materials. It's an industrial building. They're asking for 50% brick, 50% Hardy for the whole building. Um, being that it's an industrial building, being that it's back off the road, kind of tucked up behind some of this other stuff, staff can support that as well. Um, those are the big items with this. But, uh, like I said, the zoning supports it. You got those two waivers. Um, staff recommends approval with the conditions listed. Thanks.

Shame courts. Staff recommends approval with our listed conditions. They're pretty straightforward in nature. Questions, comments from the commission.

Very well. Seeing none, um let's go and call for assistant comments. Anyone wishing to make comment is welcome and encouraged to do so. Please go to the microphone, name and address for the record. We have representation that wishes to speak. We'll leave that up to you. Uh Jake Porter, uh Heritage Civil, the engineer on the project, uh 2055 North to Mount Juliet Road. Um you no really nothing from us. Uh you know, always as usual, appreciate staff working with us on this project. A little bit odd because it's behind a couple existing buildings. Um just trying to replace that little racetrack that's sitting in there and get a another uh usable lot for Mr. P here. So, if you have any questions, again, just feel free to reach out to us and we'll do our best to answer them.

Thank you. Any questions, comments? There any design studies on the need for additional storage in Mount Juliet. I'm just wondering as far as it's in a, you know, a little bit of an out of the way spot. We we've done some preliminary studies and this is part of Give me your name and address for the record real quick. Kenneth Powers, 977 Chandler Road, Mount Juliet, Tennessee 37122. Thank you, sir.

Uh, now we've done some preliminary studies on it. This is part of a larger development where we're doing we took Mr. I bought uh 2021 from Mr. Speler, which is was an industrial building and we've now retented it with youth facilities. We've got a baseball hitting facility there. And then in the adjacent building, we've got a football training plus some other build. And it's it's a unique opportunity because you you can put tenants in that benefit the community but at at a lower rent basis and you can build a new construction. So sure. Thank you. Thank you.

Very well. See no citizen comments this time. Looking for a motion regards this item on the agenda. approve. It's a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand.

I against extensions. So approved. Next item up on the agenda falls underneath final master development plan. It's item 9A is to review the final master development plan for the reserve at Tate Lane. Additionally, we are hearing these together. We also uh included in this is item 6V which is to review the preliminary plat for the reserve at Tate Lane located off Tate Lane. Miss Johnson.

Um this is just a followup from the PMDP pud that was reapproved uh via ordinance back in May. So you all should be very familiar with this project. Um everything is moving ahead um as expected with them. There's been no significant changes uh through the preliminary plat or the FMDP. It's still the 36 single family homes um with a proposed buildout of two phases. The first being 21 lots, the second being 15 lots. Um the staff has looked through everything. The access still remains the same with the uh only access via Tate Lane. Um the prior connection via due west is still um has been disapproved and will not move forward with that. The open space amenities, they're still proposing u the open loan with 2.94 acres and a walking trail. The landscape plan is still under review with the consultant. We'll continue to work with the applicant um from this point forward. Um all of the conditions of ordinance 2530 um shall be met with this FMVP. the waiverss and variances that were granted through the ordinance are still in play. Um the applicant has addressed most of the comments that we had. Anything is minor in nature and can be uh followed through provided that um they get an approval of this FMDP with the planning commission. So we recommend approval um via uh all of the conditions as noted for the preliminary excuse me preliminary plat and the FMDP.

Thank you. public works Shang Todd. Uh staff recommends approval with our uh conditions and following the conditions of the PUD. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner JS. Yeah. And I wanted to hear these because I I knew I had something on this that I wanted to amend and add just some some verbiage. And I asked the um this um um

there there you are, Jake. I asked him while I go and then I found it because I kept looking for it. But anyway, um so on the um I guess number 14, but see I don't have anything. Oh, because it was okay. So under planning and zoning under number 14. I think that's the remark you were talking about. And I also want to compliment and comment on the owner of this of this uh project that's coming, how u gracious he is and how supportive he is to do things uh like this number 14. But we just need to add something to this. And and um Sam, if you don't mind, help me out on this to make sure this is right. I think the terminology that probably should be here would be a plans, comma, or alternative location. Would that work? Because we're not totally it's not secured yet where it possibly could be or secure location if I may add that as amendment to this or correction or whatever. Yes, as long as staff confirms that the change in the location wouldn't or would still comply with the substantial compliance requirement, which I assume it would, but um I would just have staff confirm that and then that's fine.

It shouldn't it would it wouldn't affect that. Okay. So, we would just put or possibly an additional or an additional location for that sidewalk. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we are talking about the sidewalk on Tate Lane, correct? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, this one that this one's coming up from the other subdivision, right? That's where that water Okay. Yeah. So, just in case we can't Yeah. Good. So, that's I'll make a motion to add that to that that verbiage.

Okay. Further any other additional questions, comments? Let's go ahead and call for citizen comments. Anyone wish to make comments, welcome encourage to do so. Microphone, name and address for the record.

My name is Alex Sado. Um I've been hired by Mr. Griffith. Just uh as a thank you from uh from Mr. Griffith, he wants to thank the staff uh worked tirelessly um the neighbors that have come in support and and in opposition. So, just wanted to make sure that everyone was heard through this process. Um, Heritage Civil has done a really good job. Again, um, Mr. Griffith's commitment to the city of Mount Juliet, uh, to make sure that this is a, um, in his words, the nicest subdivision in Mount Juliet. Uh, like he said, he's going to be living across the street from it. So, he wants this to be the best thing, and he wants to to uh, so to thank all of you. So he's with his family. Um so that's why he wasn't able to be here. So thank you very much.

Thank you. See no additional citizen comments. Like to ask for a motion regards this item. Would you like to make a motion? And with with the the verbiage that I said while ago to add to number 14 here.

I'll second motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I against extensions. So approved. Next item up on our agenda is item 9B is to review the final master development plans uh plan site plan for Broadstone at McFarland Farms phase 1C located at 5238 Old Lebanon Dirt Road. Miss Johnson,

I think situated here. Um, this is just an addition um or a portion, excuse me, of the preliminary master development plan for McFarland Farms that was approved in um early 2023. It was via ordinance 2314. Um this is for phase 1C, which is the commercial mixeduse pud portion of this. Uh the property uh as a whole is 110.3 acres. Um, this was zoned under the CTC PUD. The total number of resident, excuse me, residential units for the entirety of the PUD is going to be 674 units. Um, the overall density is 6.1 units per acre and the estimated population at buildout will be 2,225 people. Um, the PMD PUD ordinance, the commercial portion of this development will entail over 35,000 square feet. Um, when the PUD was approved, it was approved with a 5% commercial portion. This applicant at the time of submitt is proposing over 10%. So, they do have a little bit of leeway for the uh commercial portion of this. They're providing more than what was required via the the uh PMDP HUD. Um, the final master development plan um is in conformance with the previously approved PMDP. um it includes changes and they do not void compliance with the original PMDP. There had been some questions in regards to some of the commercial portions of it and I will if allowed by the chairman I would like for representative to speak to it um in regards to some of the bulk standards with a commercial portion there is 4,800 square feet of it is listed as live work um type development. There has been some questions as to what that entails. Um if that is true commercial um mixed use or if that is strictly residential. Uh even as such if

that was not an approvable portion of the commercial development, they still have plenty of leeway with the commercial that they are providing. It has still given probably about 8% commercial with their 5% requirement. So they've still got a good leeway there with this. um their vehicular access. They will have frontage along both Cedar Drive and 01 and Dirt Road. And if I remember correctly, Cedar Drive was going to be a one one way. Um their streets and sidewalk, they have an internal sidewalk network that will connect throughout the whole development. So there is a lot of walkability within this. They do meet all of their parking as required for both the commercial and residential portions of this development. Um the variances were granted on some of the commercial design standards to allow for a mix of 40% masonry and up to 60% secondary material. So keep that in mind when you see this because that was approved originally with the PUD. Um the same falls in line with the residential um design standards. The landscaping plans are still under review. Um we will work with the landscape consultant on that. Um, all of the waiverss and variances that were originally approved via the ordinance are still in play. Although we've listed all of those were approved, some of those will not be included in this um phase because it'll be for different phases within this development and we've noted those as such um which extend to number two, number four, number seven, number nine and 10. Those all generally will go to the multif family residential with the town homes and also the single family. So um the FMDP and site plan for this phase is in substantial compliance with the PMDP. Um we do recommend approval with the conditions as noted and provided that they meet all the conditions of the original PMDP

public works Jod. Uh my only real concern is uh access between phase one of the commercial and phase two. Uh, per their PUD ordinance, they are only allowed one access to Cedar Drive. Uh, with the current layout, it's likely going to necessitate a second. Um, so I would request getting a second interparial connection back down to where the phase 2 proposal is.

Anything else from public works? I do want to mention that the project is already under construction. The residential portion uh drainage features were master planned along with uh FEMA approval. They've gotten that. So the drainage and grading components of this site have already been reviewed. Um, we'll look at the internal drainage as they submit the site plan, but uh, we do recommend approval with our comments as listed. Perfect.

Got a couple quick questions for staff right out of the gate. So, this proposal here has got 674 units. Is that correct? At the PMP, for the whole for the whole PUD at the PMDP, what what was it? Let me see here.

It still should remain the same. It's nothing has changed as far as the total number of units. They've changed the design of the buildings somewhat, but nothing has changed as far as their overall counts. Yeah, I was going to say the second page is not consistent with the rest of the

Yeah, I mean that's that's nail on the head. That's exactly where I was going. Um, just had a a good flow, a good plan. I voted for the PMDP uh as it came forth to us. Um, amphitheater, some cool little aspects to it. Some open park land. Um, and these separate buildings over there. Uh, granted that uh they were uh I just I can't help but feel like I've been duped. That's what I got to say about it. It doesn't look anything like the PMDP that we approved or anything about the presentation. No matter what pictures you're going to show us up here, it is not like what you said you were going to do. And that concerns me again with the project that we just approved earlier for you guys. Am I going to get this presentation that what I got when you brought this to me and you brought that to us tonight and we're going to turn around and change it again like what you're doing right here. So name and address for the record and answer that.

Because it doesn't feel nothing like it.

So we we're still we still have the dog park. We still have the amphitheater which is located on the south side of this. That's part of the phase 2 commercial. We have moved the commercial towards the back where it opens up to the amphitheater and the lake that we've created to create some of that outdoor space. So, we're not taking away from anything. We've just brought the commercial. It was initially along Golden I mean uh North Mount Juliet Road. We brought it to the south of the site to make it more aesthetically pleasing. Um you you're still getting all of the amenities that we were promised. I think the only thing that changed was the shape of the multif family buildings and we we pushed him up to u Lebanon dirt road

and that's exactly right. It looks like a monolithic apartment building now, not these four separate buildings that you proposed to us. That was nice looking. You brought in slides and a presentation on that too and now when I drive down Mount Juliet Road because you're going to elevate because we gave you that height that you could do that to 55 ft, right? I gave you 55 ft here too, right? This is 45 ft.

So 45 ft. So I'm going to see you clean and clear. You're in the sighteline right there through oldest strip center where the only grocery store used to exist in Mount Juliet was right there. You're right there behind it. And we're going to see an apartment building. I don't care what you call it. You're going to see an apartment building. Don't like it. Doesn't conform with the PMDP. I don't think it's in compliance with it. You sold us on the separate buildings, the drive, the access, as Todd said right there. And this is not anything like it. And that's what cons that's honestly that's what concerned me on your presentation earlier because I knew this was coming behind it. And you can see here CO1. I mean, you you I was going to ask staff if we could get a copy of what we approved when I saw what you're proposing. and you're doing a nice product and a nice job, but you're not following through with what you promised probably to the BOC and what you promised to us. This doesn't look like it. There are some changes that we have to make going from preliminary into final and a lot of that has to do with just feasibility studies and we feel that this would be a better use pushing the commercial back and we still have that middle entrance sort of in the middle of the two buildings leading up to the commercial. Um and we have one access off of Cedar Drive

and you have no connectivity shown over to the commercial. I mean, it just you have two monolithic buildings now, and that's that's what we're going to see. Instead of the separated buildings of what you what you presented to us, this is you're what you presented to us. What you sold us on were these separate buildings because we told you we didn't want apartments right there. And I think we were pretty specific that we told you that we didn't want that right there. Well, we were also asked to provide a four-story interior entry building, which is what this is. It is a four-story interior entry building with a ground floor commercial. That is what was asked of us at the time of approval. one moment I recall for the discussion for this body and I just I mean I personally can't get behind it because I don't feel like that it it has the feel of the presentation that you brought forth us. You had me excited about this. I mean, honestly, I I'm just I can't get excited knowing that every day when I drive down Mount Juler Road, where I've lived my entire life. That's what I'm going to see going down through there. You're not going to hide it with trees or anything. There's no buffers. It's going to elevate up above Valley Center. And that is every time we go into that loop. And I love what you're doing because I had a lot of discussion about Cedar Grove. I think I'm the one that said it's a traffic hazard for us and making it the one way and y'all loved it and thought it was great cuz it just kind of flushes the traffic right there. You were moving the traffic back over to the stoplight for safety purposes and everything working together. sold us on the dog park, on the potential amphitheater, on all of this open space that's shown the separation of the building so it didn't just look like an apartment building

and right in the middle of Mount Jul. And you're wanting to put an apartment building right in the middle of Mount Jul. We we got approved with four stories even at PMG. I don't mind the four buildings. I like the four separate buildings though. We There were three separate buildings. Now, I believe there are two Sshaped buildings. I see four. The third one, the fourth one that you see in there is commercial, which is phase two of this. And the the commercial will still be building number three. And see, and there's it gets me again because you the commercial separate from that. It is. It's again separate. It's a separate building. It's on the main level and then your residentials are above it now.

No, this is part of the mixed use. So the apartments were always uh they always had ground flooror commercial which was a requirement per the pud that the apartments have to have 5% groundf flooror commercial. The com the standalone commercial is 24,000 square ft which would go south of the apartments. I was just hoping that what I'd see when we get to this point look like what you presented. This just doesn't I mean I'm not going to continue to hash on it. It just it doesn't doesn't look like it's coming. Further questions or comments, please.

I really I think he took the words out of my out of my mouth. Um I've been up here for two and a half years and I like the product that you bring. But on that same accord, I think we can all agree that there have been projects that have not come to fruition, which I understand. And now we're looking at projects that don't look the same. And I understand when you're looking from a from preliminary to final. I mean, you're you're hitting the same marks, but you're doing it a completely different way. I I I really think that had this come how it looks now at prelim, my vote would have not been a yes. I I think I I think that's the part I'm struggling with is that you're selling us. Well, the preliminary was this nice spread out concept that had a community feel and now we're taking the exact same square footages, exact same specs, but you've basically meshed it into something we'd see in East Nashville. Nashville downtown. I mean, I just I think I really agree with the the sentiments of the chairman. I think I'm I'm just disappointed in what this looks like versus what I thought it was going to be. So, Um, but I'm not going to I won't beat a dead horse. I think you said it right.

Further questions, comments? Please, we'll open the floor up. Uh, please name address.

Stevie Keller 5299 Indiana Nashville, Tennessee. Um, so I'm the multif family developer on the process. We kind of came into this couple months ago, have been meeting with staff kind of all along the way. Um, so I wasn't necessarily a part of the initial discussions, but I will say kind of from our perspective, we tried to take kind of a macroeconomic approach, look at it as a community feel. We've tried to tie it in as best as we can to the single family development to our side into the commercial development to our south and we're kind of happy to look through that, work through those connections in another way. Um, but you know, our intention here, strictly speaking, from like the three to the two building was just to create a more clear central access point. And so we've created that kind of central road in the middle that will connected to the commercial. And it felt like it brought it all together and sort of like a script T as opposed to kind of a little bit of disongjjoment. Um, we have not messed with kind of any of the general community amenities and we've gone above and beyond on the commercial frontage. So, if you look at our buildings on that right side, that's actually programmed as a drive under on the bottom floor where you see that road come under. So, we're leaving those units out to sort of create a kind of covered drive aisle. And then up in the top right corner of our site will be sort of a very intentional landscaped, hard-scaped kind of walkabout area, landing place for the retail. And the hope there is to obviously lease up all of that retail hopefully with an FNB user. I can't promise that obviously. Um, and then we've got some commercial back behind it. So, we tried to kind of take the intention of what you guys had approved and go with it. Obviously, I wasn't here in the beginning, but the three felt difficult. Obviously, I I didn't control the fourth building, but just the three up in the front. It felt really difficult to create kind of a congruent plan that makes a lot of sense. And that's why we did the leaveout. That's why we've kind of put a lot of stress in that right anchor, that top right corner to really anchor our commercial uses and

to make it feel, to your point, we're above that road. And so we really want to spend some time there to make that feel like an attraction, to make that feel like a gathering point, and to make it feel like kind of the natural place for all of that commercial use in our development. But that's just kind of where we sort of came in and went forward is we we kind of stepped into the plan. I think we've thankful to staff. We've been talking to them for a couple months now to kind of get here, but it was all about creating that central drive artery, creating that kind of eyesight, creating that interest from the road and to sort of do our best to break it up. And then I think we've spent a lot of time on kind of the exterior materials and we have kind of a separate fitness uh building that's out there and it's beautiful and glass pad and I think it is going to look a lot different than a lot of the multif family deals that are here. Um, but as part of kind of making the whole thing fit together, we felt it was better to create kind of a beautiful landscape central artery, connect that to their commercial building that kind of, you know, to your point, if you were to pull in off Old Mount Julia Road, you would come in and just or off all Lebanon Road, you just come in and feel kind of overwhelmed with the greenery, the buildings, and just drawn to that commercial. Um, or kind of taking that left to our FNB use. But we were

just trying to do the best we can with kind of the 10 acres we were given. I I I like your architecture. I your your building and your elevation and architecture is nice. I'm I'm not knocking that at all. I I 100% agree. Um I mean very very very nice and the facade and everything looks great, but it's the feel and and it really has to do with the feel and and an expectation for delivery of how that is going to feel. And just like you take a single family home, a single family home feels single because there's separation. And I enjoyed the project because even though we were putting the density, we're putting the units in here, they each felt singular amongst themselves. And so whether or not you did a lifestyle in one and a whatever in in the other or you know the commercial looks like the residential or the residential looks like the commercial and you've got some that are just commercial or some that are the mixed use and whatnot added to them right there. It's all walkable and everything and your architecture is all there. It's just not. Every time we come down Mount Juliet Road, I'm still seeing beautiful or not, monolithic soul buildings right there that you just they're not broken up like the expectation have been of what we approved and what we saw. I mean, your architecture is excellent. It's a beautiful building. I mean, quite frankly, in your design, I see your flow and your drive and everything. You heard me probably make comments earlier about not feeling welcome from the outside within a community. Your layout does feel welcome and so I have no knocks on that, but

it's that feeling. It's just going to be a very visible site right in the center of the town. and it doesn't feel harmonious with what is there the way it's presented if that makes any random sense. I I think it makes sense and I I I guess I just want to ask the question that way we can just all agree because we can go back and forth to your point about like there's there's necessary changes that have to happen between preliminary and master but can we agree that these are vastly different from prelim to final? We at least agree generically speaking that these are two vastly different projects from what we were presented versus what we're seeing now. That's all.

The building layout is different. Yes. Okay. And I know it works out to be the same, but gosh, does it not feel like there's a heck of a lot more asphalt and the the green space is just gone. And I know it's still there. Like I'm not arguing percentages, but it's just like it just looks like one big asphalt compared to everything that was nice and spread out and there was greenery, decent size greenery spread throughout it. It just it it really just looks different.

Yeah. I mean, when I'm at the pool cabana, the last thing I want to see is all the traffic coming in and out of the development non-stop as opposed to the previous pool that was in the middle of the larger building. Kind of its own little oasis. just too different. Further questions, comments, please. Commissioner Ranch,

just to dig a little deeper, just those parking spaces coming off the main drive off of Old Leven Dirt Road. I I get that that's probably for commercial, but that that's a really horrible place for parking spots

because you essentially are going to be trying to back out of the main entrance to the property. Yeah. And if it's busy, which I mean hope it would be, that's not going to be a a safe space, especially for basically all of your handicap parking for that commercial building with the exception of some on the right. Very well. Any additional questions, comments? Thank you guys. This time I want to call for citizen comments. Any citizens wishing to make comment are welcome and encouraged to do so. From the microphone, name and address for the record. See no assistant comments, I'm looking for a motion in regards item on the agenda.

I'll make a motion for disapproval. I'll second. It's a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I raising your hand. I against abstensions. Disapproved. Extension. Next item up on the agenda u is item 10 is to review the preliminary plat for the cry property located off Renee Drive and Graham Drive. Mr. John.

Sure thing. All right. This this submitt is a little unusual for us. It's uh it's a subdivision going in under RS10 zoning. Sands Pud overlay. The land is already already zoned RS10. It's been sitting there ripe for development since who knows when. Um, this is located uh it's basically on the county line with Davidson County. So, west side of town, south of Lebanon Road, and it's uh yeah, it really doesn't touch a main road. It kind of t connects to a couple side streets near Renee being one of them at the north there. And what is it? Georgetown, Newcastle, Josie Court, Graham rather, not Georgetown. Um but yeah, like I said, this is already zoned RS10. It's two lots. Um they're developing it under RS10 zoning without any waiverss, without any relief from any code requirement requested. It's 2.56 units an acre. That's 133 lots on 44 acres. 113 lots on 44 acres. All the lots are at least 10,000 square feet up to 16,500 about. Uh they've got all the building setbacks correctly rendered. Um literally they got open to 8.2 acres of open space, couple amenities. Uh remember there aren't very many amenities required by single family code. So, what they propose here is sufficient. Um, kind of the biggest thing on here might be news to the applicant, too, because it just passed, but we had the uh

subdivision lighting ordinance that just passed on uh June 9th. This came in on June 16th as the middle. So, they're subject to the June 9th ordinance for the street lighting. I have it in the staff report for their enjoyment. and they can read it and they'll have to comply with that that new ordinance. But like I said, there's no no waiverss straight zoned. This is an approval item or a vote, you know, not a recommendation item. It's for the preliminary plat. And we've got a couple couple conditions there. Nothing nothing extreme. And staff recommends approval. Uh first thing I want to start off with this is a in my opinion a well together put plan. Um odd as John said just with the straight zoning of it. Um I think from my perspective the most important thing is that the sewer for this development will be provided by Metro. It's within their service area as it butts up to Hickory Hills. So, uh, the metro infrastructure is already in place. They'll simply be tying into that. Uh, they did have some steep slopes on this on this job and per code, any slopes greater than 20% will cannot be in the building envelope. I also put a recommendation of where it's at in in proximity and location that the construction has come off either the county street or the metro street in the best interest of the city and its residents. With that, I uh will turn it over to Todd for the roadway comments.

Please.

Yeah. Um, once again emphasizing how weird it is to get a straight zone subdivision. Now, this is the first one I've seen, particularly at this density. Um, their proposed access is from, uh, Renee Drive, uh, Graham Drive, Newcastle Drive, and Yosi Court. Those are all um essentially what are standard access street, access lane kind of roads. They're they have no direct connection to arterials or collectors. As such, it's anticipated. Generally speaking, they're going to filter their way to Devonshshire Drive and a few brave souls will try to get out Pen Oak Drive. Um at the intersection of Pin Oak Drive, they are proposing a right turn lane. Um, I know there was was questions about possibly signalizing that intersection, but they won't themselves trip a signal warrant analysis there. Um, and we can't include the traffic on Matter Horn Drive because they're not sending any traffic up Matterhorn Drive and because this is straight zoned, you know, the threshold for what we can require is so much lower. Um, one weird thing on on the plan, you'll notice that road A has a writer wider right ofway on the stub that doesn't connect to anything than it does on the rest of it. And that's because they are a straight zone project and get no variances. And they're subdividing out the rest of their lot. Uh, and you, according to our subdivision regulations, you can't deadend a street on any classification less than a collector. So that one little stub of road A has to be a collector.

It's interesting. It makes a ton of sense most of the time, but in this particular case, it's an oddity. Yeah. I got a couple quick questions. Uh, one is, uh, will this this will not be a part of the Hickory Hills HOA? It will be a separate HOA outside of connectivity. Name and address for the

Eric Olsson Anderson delaps 618 Gres Park Drive, Nashville. Yeah, it will be separate to HOA. I believe we submitted a draft to HOA document. I mean, it's going to be tweaked a little bit, but so it will be a separate entity. Okay. So, no rights over there to that. Um, in our subdivision regulations, they're on road A. Would road A at that stub still be required to put the future development sign? Correct. They would still have to put that signage right there that it could eventually lead to something. Okay, that's all I got. I've got a question. This map

is not great. I'll be nice. This is not the nicest site map that I've seen in my time up here. So, this is why I'm probably asking this question. mainly just to make sure that I understand, but there is no access from Davidson County to this project unless you take Lebanon Road. Is that right?

Uh, incorrect. because that's a problem because we dealt with this on the back side of Hickory Hills where the BOC voted to take a part of city land to ensure that we did not have people that were just running away from the police that would cut through a subdivision and that they could directly access the city of Mount Juliet or Wilson County without going on a main road. So that is where my big red alarm concern is now that you said that we the BOC specifically did this back in Hickory Hills to prevent that and we're about to open the floodgates potentially for this. So if there's any way we can make it to where you cannot access a road in Davidson County other than Lebanon Road to get to this project and if not we just spent a nice little chunk of change a couple months ago year ago just to have the same problem happen again. And I don't like the fact that we're going to open the door for this. I'm like adamantly not. This is a big problem.

Yeah. Um currently the plan does show access to Josie Court, a metro street that does not Can we get that cut off? Yeah, that road a and Josie Court will rename Josie Court, but we can just take that off there right below lot 78. Just take that little section out so we can cut that road. happy. Yeah, that would make me very happy. So that lot 78 would increase probably. Uh we can move it down. Plus we have that detention pond down there. So we can it's a little tight. So that gives I mean we've got the preliminary c submitted so it all works but or we can kind of leave it flat out so it's a little bit flat open space there above the pond. So Todd as long as they Josie Court is the only connection to Davidson County. Correct. And you're good with not connecting?

Yeah, we're bringing the sewer up through there. So we'll have to bring Yeah, but we'll take out the I think they've already stubbed that out as a culde-sac that'll I think the way they got those lots. They're projecting as a temporary culde-sac, but I mean that's in Davidson County. So if we want to cut off as long as it doesn't connect to Davidson County of the 11 road there on that point, Renee Drive is a county street, but it does have access to metro neighborhoods. It goes west there, right? Uh, correct. Yeah. But, you know, I then you're no longer in compliance with your culde-sac regulations. So, they they they have

I just remember we voted and I I don't know, Luke, maybe help me out. Was it a year ago? Maybe we voted to take on that piece of property that had had kind of been like just had piles of gravel thrown on it and the city took that over to do it the right way to make it and that was the biggest concern was that people could basically use that as a circumventing place to get out of license plate readers and the main road. I mean, I think that's just my biggest thing is like, fortunately, we've added more. Yeah. Yeah, we have. Shield.

I just I I don't know how I how I like the idea of being able to not and we're talking about I mean, basically where this is connecting is a domino effect because if Renee Drive is Davidson County, they can hop in there and they can go through there through Hickory Hills to Willoughby Station to Green Hill. Like the whole idea of what we've been trying to do on that side of the county just kind of falls apart with this subdivision basically by doing that.

Commissioner Franklin. Yeah. I got a a different question. A question about sewer. Um, you you mentioned um kind of off-handedly that it was a Metro uh connected to Metro Sewer. Is it because it's so hard to connect to our system? [Music] I'm trying to think of the right word to say this. I west of Devonshshire becomes the metro sewer service area. We don't have infrastructure there to begin with. So, so we can't connect it to them. No, sir. Okay. Sorry. I had to think about that one. But

I Well, the reason the only reason I bring it up is because we're a collection system and anything this far west is like free money. I mean, we have no expense. We don't have to pump it anywhere. There's no electricity on it. There's no gravity problems. There's hardly any pipe to ever go bad. And I hate to give away the sewer systems cash cow when you got stuff here on Bender's Ferry. That's, you know, you're dragging and pumping forever to get back to Metro. And yeah, in this case, but if you can't connect, you can't connect.

In this case, they're surrounded by metro service area and it'll float through Hickory Hills. So the other the other question I would have is uh I believe the reason this never developed if I can go back in time a few years is terrain actually and there has to be critical lots everywhere in the subdivision. Are you guys making those? They got them. Yeah. Okay. That and that goes back to the comment of the building envelopes and the 20% steep slopes. That's all I have. Further questions? comments. Thank you. Nothing.

This time I' like to call for citizen comments. See no citizen comments. Look for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. Motion to approve. Positive recommendation. No, it's just an approval or approval. Yeah. Motion to approve. It's motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying I and raising your hand. I against no abstensions. Such a mistake. So approved. Wow. Looking for a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Motion. Second. All those in favor signify by saying I raise your hand. I against extensions. We are journ.