Harbor Committee - Regular Meeting

recording in progress for the individual. Should I uh something? We're ready. Yeah, I'll start with that one. What's on coming in? Wow. See everything up there but the clock 4:30 I see 30 exactly. Okay. Hey, I'm going to call the meeting to order and um under new business. Yes. Do you want me to make a motion to accept the minutes for the last meeting? Yes. A motion to accept the minutes of the last meeting as written, April 8th. Okay, I'll second it. Move and seconded to accept the minutes of April 8th. Any discussion? All in favor? I oppose.

Carried. Okay, I'm going to say that the uh on this agenda that we had a discussion about the placement of the condenser and whatever you want to call it for the ice skating ring. Uh it was voted uh 6 to2 to place the permanent structure on the west side of the uh tennis courts. Is that good? Y everyone agree to that? Is it worth saying because it was a minimum of visual distraction or uh if it's going to make any difference in the motion but sure I mean there's there were a lot of reasons we voted yeah the concern was the the um sound sound the view and the visual impact the visual impact on the other side so people getting off the bus right there and they would have that right in their face. Yeah. So, I'll um I'm just I'm just entering that in the minute says I recorded the the uh site visit and it'll be on the top with the motion, right? And and you know had a German that was like wait I'm going to treat as two different meetings, right? But I'm going to put this in discussion placement voted 6 to2 structure on west side of tennis courts. You want that under new business or it's it's on the new business. Yep. Okay, the second item on the agenda is the main peer discussion. So, John, I'm going to turn that right over to you. I mean, I think this is just an ongoing discussion, you know, of ideas that anyone's had that they come up with to

to better appear when we build it. Uh we're waiting on getting started with uh Greg Johnston and his RFQ to help us um put out a bid for a engineering firm to set us up to have a warrant article for next town meeting to set aside the money to pay them to do the engineering and help us select a contractor. I thought it was an RFP before. If it's RFQ RFQS, I got that wrong then before. So, I'd like to add something that for for every regular meeting I would like an update from Greg Johnson. Sure. He hasn't done anything for us yet because I have Right. I I would like to see that in writing because it's very easy to get these things postponed and I I want to see uh uh commitment report even an email. He's going to come in and do a working several workings with us and and help us figure out exactly what we want on paper and then he's going to lure us in a large engineering firm to do the planning and work with us. Greg will step away once we've hired an engineering firm and uh it will be solely on them to kind of We're gonna meet in June. We will meet in June. Yeah. Okay. I think by June if we should have some kind of correspondence from Greg email or something like that that says ask him to attend. ask him to attend or even like an email ever go any we've got he's here because then we can ask and every month when we're gone it'd be nice to have a just absolutely sure Rick can disseminate it or whatever you know we just hey we're here that I haven't got anything done I haven't done

anything he hasn't done anything yet because I haven't authorized him to yet I know but just any updates from either one of you would help us a lot we didn't know either part of that so he just told us so anything like that would really help us as a group Yeah. And and it's it's a way to keep the topic going. I've sitting on public committees that are easy to stall it being on I don't like to stall every month until we hire a contractor and it's finished. But he's our he's our go-between. He's the engineer. He's the you know professional advisor. And we just have to keep this thing in motion. when when we pick an a firm to do the engineering, is he our go-between or after we pick them and hire them, he's it's their job at that point. He's just helping us land a big engineering firm. But he told us that he he wanted to get to make sure all our concerns were he was going to be our our representative to that engineering firm. you're told before. Yeah. But I think once we hire the engineering firm and we're paying him, Greg's job is done and then we'll be we'll have a representative from that engineering firm and I hope it is the engineering firm that did the survey for us. So do when you give them the go-ahad, are you going to get a contractor services to sign that details this? What Greg? Yes, Greg's stuff is all lined out and I think you guys have seen a copy of it at one point. It's between six and $8,000. That's all I wanted to say. No, it was it's like three pages. I can resend it out. Yeah, please do. So I think it's important that in June that we have a

firm commitment understanding that the status of where area we're at and when we meet again in September we would like another you were saying it's nice even though we're not meeting maybe to just get an email from this firm so that they can tell us what they're where we're at along the way like even once a month. They're basically he's going to put a bid package together for us to send out to a bunch of firms that are able to do the size the job that we're looking to do. It's just like we're building out bidding out the construction. We're bidding out for our engineering firm to send us back what they can do for us and how much they can charge for it. And then you guys are going to select one of them and they will start and work with us and build out what we want when it's where we want it to be. So we're turning the whole thing over the the uh state and federal permits if necessary. All of that will be done by the engineering firm. Okay, that's fine. That's part of the contract. The only other thing that we potentially would do would be to have someone help us with grants if we decide we want to take any grant money for this. Yep. Well, the last we left, we need information on what the grants entail and and requirements and what for. And I think Greg will be able to help us with that because he applies for grants and stuff. that I can get no mus to give us a breakdown because null writes a ton of grants. Everybody here should keep in mind that it took us over 30 years to get rid of the federal grants on this mess down here before that was the federal project. I I understand. But when we accepted that money, there was obligations that

you don't even imagine. So keep that in mind. All right, we good. Any more questions, discussion? Would it would it be better if we had Greg come at our September meeting, you know, because we're going to have have him come in June, then we got two months that we'll forget it all and then we'd have to rehash the whole thing. It's up to you. I don't I think that's I think that's a legitimate request. I'm looking to see what where I mean how long does this RFQ take it be nice if he got it done all specific stuff that you want to talk to Greg about because he's going to be working on this through the summer. So if you've got any direction you'd want to give him I would give it to him next month. Yeah. Okay. If time off to him and he doesn't do anything he's going to be starting in September. So, he's always told me his boat never goes to water. So, he'll have all summer work on for he's a busy man. So, he you're going to try to get him here for our next meeting, right? Next weekend. Once the engineering firm gets done and do they put out the bids? They will put out the bids and everything and they will come back to us with a we'll probably have a bid opening right here in the town office. I'll open them and then they will be presented to you guys with the engineering firm giving you their recommendations on the contractors and you guys will will choose from and we're not locked into the low bidder. No, generally the low bidder, but no, our language always says that we're not stuck with the low bidder.

How long do we have to decide? Do we have to make that decision right then and there? You're not going to have months to make a decision. You'll get presented with a package. You'll have time to review it. Yeah. You'll get the word from the engineering firm and and you guys will need to make a decision. I would assume we'd have time is of the essence veryable work with a contract. The timeline I've talked out with Greg when this is all done bids should be in sometime November December time frame is in town meetings in May. Yeah, we got the month of June January and February to get a warrant article written to send to town meetings. So, so if we write But for next year's town meeting, no, we're three or four years out. Yeah, that makes sense. Next year's town meeting is we'll get money to pay for the engineering firm. Okay. They'll have two years to engineer this, get everything ready and get it out to bid. Then town meeting of 20 28 or 29, I'm not sure right off the top of my head. It's one of those. That's when we will get money to for a bond and whatever we can kick in and if we have grant money we're going to use that's fine. Construction would happen the following November to April. Good. Well, let's keep the ball rolling. All right. Uh we're open for room for discussion and general issues. John, I'm going to turn it over to you. I know a couple things you want to bring up. So, well, you have a gentleman here that asked me to be able to come and speak with you folks and Okay, let him stand up and introduce himself. Tell us your name and

tell us what you're here for. Uh, so my name is Mike Mackenro. I know a bunch of you, but um I've got a landing craft that I'm going to start doing charters out of. Um, and I know the charters will fall out of northeast, but I want to go out of Bartlett's Landing. So, I just want to I'm probably going to use either the ramp or the beach because it's better for my boat. I won't need the dock. I'm going to do just three charters one day a week off of that side of the island. But there's a lot of people going off this side from Bar Harbor. And I have a private dock. I go out on Southwest Harbor. So, I'll do a couple targets. Are you talking about passengers? Yes. Taking people out on on a barge. On a barge. I have a landing craft, a 33 foot aluminum landing craft. So, we we've talked about Bartlett's Island, John, you we've opened it up to a couple of seafood buyers, you know, and really in Bartlett is utilized by the kayak people. There really isn't any other activity like that other than just personal use over there. Uh other than you know the fisherman and the creme the island folks coming. So this has always been an issue but uh we require uh the town to be u insured. You have to have insurance. I I have insurance. The time has to be additional. Wow. That's not a problem. And additionally insured. Yes. Yeah. And it's a million dollars. Yes. Okay. I think my policy is a million and a half right now. So I'm just minimal. That's minimum.

How many passengers? I can take up to 11. Parking's of a premium over there. I don't know how busy. Parking is the biggest issue. Yeah. Well, I own land 3/4 of a mile up the road. So, if I have to, what I was going to do is have them come there and I can drive them down if it's the busy part of the season. Yeah. I just myself I don't know how busy it is over there with the summer boats and stuff, right? I'm just throwing that in there. Just I'm looking to take one party. Yeah. You know, one family. I'm not looking to take like two different families. Like this is going to be a private charter. Yeah. So, so I know if there's 11 people, there won't be 11 cars. So, but if it's busy down there, I'll just have them park at my house. Motion to accept the proposal. Yeah. Any discussion? Seconded. I'll second it. Any other discussion? Your operation would be June through September. I am thinking about going even in the winter time. I have a heated cab. So, but it would be just if someone called just for one family's operation. Right. Right. That's fine. Um, you know, from the rules this doesn't hold, right? Like it is like when we've been giving out all the other I have nothing against I'm just trying to square this to the committee. So um when we've when other people come here to ask for to go out for charters we've said no because it's all full. That's not entirely true because we let the grays go into Seal Harbor with that camp that's over there. Is that right

John? Yeah. Yep. Northeast Harbor is is full. Okay. Bartletts is not utilized at all. There's no I get that it's not I totally activity. Yeah, I totally understand. We did a few years ago allow uh Gray to do special trips out of there even though they weren't one of our users, right? Because they were doing special trips for the school up there. Yeah. But u so we have done something similar and and so do they have to follow all the requirements of the other operators? Is that the way it works? Okay. We're also not limiting the same as the barges land here. They just land per trip and pay. They're not under the same requirements that a commercial operator is is designated by the usage of the flow. And that's another thing you guys need to make a decision on is the operators down here off the docks pay 650 and 28 cents ahead, right? The barge pays $15 per hit for commercial use. So you need to figure out how you want to go about those. The irony of the 650 is that it allows the authorized boat people to use any of the docks in the town. Right. So, so are you saying you would only use Bartletts? You would never bring the barge or Well, I take White Hands crew back and forth to Sutton's Island as a barge, not a truck. So it's it's just a trip for there and I'll pick them up here. A lot of times I pick them up in Manset. Depends on what they're loading or or unloading. So I was just trying to understand is this you're asking for permission to do run this out of

Bartlett, not out of Northeast or SE. Well, the the barge business I have is separate than the charter business. So, I still have to pay the $15 for landing at the rent in here for the transport side of it. But the charter business is going to be something totally different and that's going to be only out of right and I'm the only one I've got three other captains that are running and they only have a six-pack. So, I'll take if there's a larger family that, you know, I think I can really take up to 18, but I only have 11 life jackets on my boat. So, um the other half it's only going to be six. So, I have a motion second. Motions. Uh motion is to allow uh to operate as presented and by presenting I mean operating ease off from the beat the ramp or beach second operating landing craft to use at west ramp or off beach town to be named and in sure we know it and then they also mentioned when you're going to do it you said year round you said well I don't think I'm going to get a lot of business But there's a few crazy people that come here in the winter time and to be honest with you, it's pretty on the water in the winter time. Sky is clear. So if it's a good day and if someone called me and said they want to do a two-hour trip, I take them out. Yeah. Just if that's your intention, I think it's good to put it in there so they no one's surprised later. Yeah. So, uh, do we want to have the same fee structure as the landing because landing at the ramp that $15 of time or what's the to be honest with you, I'd rather requirements to you for people coming and going. Can I pay a flat fee up

front? When I talked to John earlier, he said they also aside from the fee, it's $15 ahead that could be paid, but I would rather pay something up front. It's 28 cents a person, right? $15 for a retouch to the ramp, right? So, but I would just soon prepay the town some money because I don't know, you know, it's the first year and I don't know how it's going to go. That's why the passenger boats are paying $600. 650 650. I'm sorry. I don't mind paying that. And then I suggest that that be the standard fee for the whole town and that means we're not showing you any preferential treatment. Yeah. But he's not using the job. I I I understand. But he's doing his business. Yeah. But I mean, but you can do pastors for them, too. Just 650. Yeah, I'd say the 650 is legitimate. Yeah, I I have no idea how much business I'm going to get. It could be smaller. It could be. Well, it depends if you keep the longer you're in business, the more business you, right? So if we're going that route 650 like every other operator and keep track of your passengers 28 cents ahead. Yeah. And can we put anything about the parking like he can only have like free parking space? I don't think we should. Uh how we mainly because we don't say anything about parking down here. Okay. And that's there's a lot of abuse over there. vehicles, trailers, left parts. And that's an enforcement issue. You know what I mean? That takes No, I agree. And we do that for we do I mean that's something to look at if it

expands because we the part of the limiting of the operator number of operators is um in regards to parking. The pastor John just suggested something and I'm gonna uh say this will be a provisional one-year permit and it we'll review it in the next year. If it works out fine, I'm good to go. That's good. This is your operation, Paul, that's going to be doing this. Yes. Koui Charters. Coui Charters. My father was in the Coast Guard. It was the first voting. You take deer hunters to Long Island. Yeah, we don't have anything. A lot of side by sides. Okay, good job. Good luck. Want to add that stuff in the motion? Yes. So, the 28 cents 650 year and provisional permit and we'll review it. You give me a call tomorrow. We'll tell you everything that I need. Yeah, we got a vote on a vote. Yes, we are going to vote. That motion been seconded. Yep. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor raise your hand. Oppose. Carried. Good to go. Maybe Rick at some point should we address Bartletts if we have one there now where we you know what I mean? Is it going to be two and three and four? Like should we come up with some sort of plan for Bartletts at some point? Let's see how it goes for the first year. That's a good answer, Howie. I I uh but it's it's something to consider. Just I mean if the next guy comes, we don't have a reason to say no to them or the next five people show up and want to do it. We we don't have a plan and we let one so we might want to come up with this is why it's a provisional. Yep. And he's not using the dock. Yep. Where all the other operators get to use the dock.

I'm going to chase some handicap because I took a uh woman from Seal Harbor out to Puddles last year and they drove her on the boat in the golf cart and drove her off over at Puddles for a while. So, and it was I have that advantage to be able to offer been around for if you call he didn't dye his hair gray. me. Okay. So, now we got some northeast type of commercial activity to discuss. So, uh John Dwelli is retiring. His brother passed away and he's the only one left to take care of his mom. So, he's decided he's retiring. The boat's going up for sale. That is a uh something that we and our ordinance says we need to review. And then we would offer up in September an advertisement in the paper to bring in people that want to do something like this gentleman. It would be limited to a six-pack because that's what's being given out. Yeah. So that's so the what's unique about this is that uh it's very short notice and uh we do the review for applicants in September. So there's an opening uh right now and John has another suggestion. My suggestion or something I throw up to you is let Dallas Hodkins run under Mike Hodkin on Mike Olson's license last year. Mike is going to be back in business. Is that something that you guys would entertain

where he's already a known and did a really good job? Would you guys want to leave that empty this summer or do you want to u let it be used again by someone that used it last year and played by the rules and and did everything or do you just want to leave it empty and offer it for advertisement in September? So is he already fulfilled his commitment to this year? We accepted him last year in our list. No, the delay. Is he currently permanent? We have a lease agreement with him. No. No. He the lease agreements run he is still licensed until July 1st. They run from July 1 to June 30. So his thing doesn't run out and he notified me today. He called yesterday, but I didn't talk to him till today. And he could sell the business. He can sell his business, but it's not going to transfer the permit. But it usually does. He is aware that he can sell his boat, but the permit or license to operate off the dock does not go with it, right? But I mean, usually if it somebody sells it, it's we usually allow them to go in. I know it's not attached to it, but it's I can't think of a time when that's happened. What do you mean? We have lander Blair Blair was the last one to be sold that the permit actually went with the business. Neil and Bunker but Blair didn't go with business. We just allowed him to I mean it didn't go with the business. We just allowed him to take that was the last one that happened before we changed the ordinance. So what I'm getting at Well, it's never gone with it. What we have we have a kind of rules where it has to go into a lottery. Yes. Mhm. That's what's going to happen. We're going to advertise this in September and we're going to take applicants. Everyone that fits all the

things that we asked for will go in a hat and somebody will pick a name. Yeah. But Blair didn't go didn't the permit did not go with Blair's boat. It did not because it's not been that way. It's always been they've come to us and said, "I'm buying this boat. I'd like to think and we've allowed them to do it, but it's not it was allowed to happen until the Cadillac was sold. It was sold and they the price was such a difference on what it truly was worth that you guys we marched for a year and changed it in the ordinance and it now was not allowed and the secretary of the license does not grant any property interest to the LC or is not transferable but it's never been transferred. I mean it's never been on paper did and you guys always allowed it but now we did it with Rob but he sold the right it's but it's not been he can't sell like when Rob sold his business he couldn't say my landing rights are in with it he they whoever bought it had to come before I disagree wouldn't have sold the business if he didn't have landing rights right but that's it wasn't advanced we changed that's why we changed it because it could be done couple years I hope disagreeing with Senator this day a long time. I I don't remember granting this guy permission. I must have missed a meeting, but I I kind of object to to uh him taking Mike Olson's spot when Mike wasn't. Now that I know that we did that, I don't remember it. I must have been out. I don't feel it's right to give him preferential, you know, let him run his business with this gap here unless he go he doesn't know anything about this. This is just my recommendation and I was wondering if you guys wanted this to sit empty or you wanted it to be used and what money we

make off of it. So John, can I just understand what you're saying is is that as of July 1st that the light is no longer That's correct. Okay. that and it is it won't be and it won't be. All right, I got it. And so what you're saying is is that there's a lack of a six t passenger boat now water taxi operating and then I'm not saying that Dallas would fill that gap. I get it. It's the only one that I could think of short notice that I might be able to do something with it. So what does Dallas do? Dallas takes people fishing. He takes them out sightseeing. So, yeah. The other thing is I know he's he runs all some of them. Where does he pick his people up? Dennis. Yeah. He works off of Clifton Do. That's right. Okay. So, um and that's his intention this year. Yeah. So, I I don't have a pro like I think it's a good idea to get someone in to to fill the void and it would only be until we can advertise. So, it's 10. Yes. I can't hold on a second. Let me say that I think it's a good idea to have someone fill in the void, but I don't think it's a good idea for us to handpick someone. I think it's a good idea for us to like ask for some volunteers and then like we can decide at that point. But like just to you know touch someone on the shoulder and say you're bestowed with this with this business for the year doesn't feel right. I could uh I could answer that by saying we could uh advertise that there will be an opening on July 1st. And uh so our ordinance says that we have to wait till September. It's discussed. The thing is there isn't time for somebody to for us to get this in the paper for me to gather all these

people and have them back in front of you guys next month. So that's why it says that it would be offered for in September for the following calendar. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sean's point is that since this guy's already vetted, he played by all the We can just say the spot's empty for the summer, nobody's going to use it and he and he can continue to use Clifton Dock. I He has no idea that I'm even asking. I actually I think that would solve a lot of uh legal issues. Okay. It's just a suggestion if you guys wanted to have someone that's ready to walk into it. Yeah. John Dwley be okay with that? I mean John 12 is done. Doesn't he own the boat? His boat is he is done. He told me today that he is not coming back. He says he is not coming back to me. His boat is for sale. I I just think it's too short of a time and I really and I worked out good. I'd like to see but I I don't think it's proper. I think we got to wait. It's come up short notice. I think we got to wait and advertise on it. I think I think we better leave things alone. Suggestion for I wasn't thinking I didn't have any problem with if we picked Dallas out of the crowd. It's just a matter of getting Yeah, but our specifically says a date and we just started to get our review process. We're still just trying to follow our own rules. I'm fine. Nothing against anybody. Nothing to do with person. No, I just Are we allowed to let this guy do it? I'm we could if we all agreed on doing it. Guys let him run last year in Mike Olsson's spot. So, but he was picked but you just said he picked up Clifton, right? No, he picked up from the commercial because we let him run. That was all picked up from the public time and

all we're saying is that the public. Yes. But he was operating under Mike's two different things. We allowed him under this which is up to lease. It's not a change in numbers that was allowed in our ordinance because he was running the boat under Mike's. So what's changing is that Mike going to run his own boat apparently. Yes. Mike bought a boat. It's a really nice boat sitting down in the parking lot. Okay. He did everything that you guys asked him to do. He got a boat that's going to operate. M I don't think we can make a special arrangement right now. Sounds very simple. Leave it blank. Leave it the way it is. Okay. I just wrote Dwight going out for sale offering this year. We'll advertise in September for ordinance. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll let this guy do this in the summer. No, he can do what he wants. No say over it. Pick them up. drop off here. Okay. Anything else you'd like to talk about? I mean, these are important topics. Yeah. We have one more meeting in June. Everything else is going pretty good, right, John? Do we have any loose ends on the attendance issues? No, that's been on topic in the past. uh seems like see if we have any regulations about it within from the town. We I'm going to I'm going to add to that there isn't the we went back to the town between John and I there's no attendance requirements in any of the committees in in the town of Desert. So we I believe we asked the chairman to speak with the offender and see what his

intentions were. I don't remember you asking me that, but thank you very much. Chris, is that in the minutes ago? The irony of it is we only have one recording though if you want to go back. That uh physically doesn't come very often, but he's attended quite a few Zoom meetings. was his attendance record's aren't that bad actually. I'd like to say something. Um, if someone's, you know, we're small town and we pretty much know each other and I think that if someone's not attending, then one of us doesn't have to be the chairman or whatever, one of us would reach out to that person. No regulation, no on any of those formal things, and just say, "Hey, is everything okay? You know, we we'd like to see at the meetings. Is everything okay?" I don't think we need to make a a big deal out of the whole thing honestly because maybe that person isn't okay and we I think we were small enough we can talk to talk to each other. The other side of that was was that there were people waiting to be on the committee that were willing to I think there was one person I think you said there's only one person on the list. Well, one of them is a selectman now. So there's really only one sitting waiting right now on the list. Uhhuh. So, I don't know. Like you said, the attendance is isn't that poor. It's just the fact that he's on Zoom more than than in person. And I see Zoom is eagerly attending. Is anyone else on Zoom? No, not today. Not today. I mean, I I guess what she I mean, it wouldn't hurt to ask. I mean, in Skype business and I get it doesn't work in his work schedule. It's difficult. I don't think it's he's being neglectful or doesn't care about this committee. I I don't perceive that at all. But if it's something is it more bothersome to him to do it or he feels he should step away, let someone else know. I think

that's a fair question to ask. I think you said it's hard for him to make. Yeah, I think the chair should ask him his intentions on the committee or the chair appoint somebody to ask him. But, you know, we should ask him, you know, do you want to keep these are all legitimate questions and I don't mind asking him. I think probably the best source and I hate to say it be would be John. It's fine. If you guys want me to reach out to him and see what his intentions are, I I think you would be the best. Put it in the minutes. I'm going to read it. So, put it in the middle. We're going to address uh any members uh how do you want to put it? Uh not frequent attending, missing numerous meetings, lack of attendance. We're going to address any members lack of attendance. I I think we were this is a one-off and I thought Tom was just going to talk and see if everything was okay. Maybe we just put in the minutes. I just if we put in there so if it's we're not we're not looking at one person. It could be any people forward you know that he will be the least of you know someone isn't attending formal because there's no no such thing in the town for any other committee so I don't think our committee should be different it should okay so you want me to be specific to Doug I would just say we all know that it's Doug that you're reaching out to address that continue serving on other committees in town and nobody ever kept telling So lower committee or any for attendance lack of attendance of when's his term up? That's the question. So I just have it in here. There's no requirements for I think his term ends in 25. Yeah. So there's a bunch of you that will be re-uping for your next

term. He said it's a they're all staggered. No, it will happen very soon. You'll get enough from this like Claire. You'll get something from Claire eventually here. But if you don't object, yeah, you would just automatically renewing. I think so. Yeah. Okay. It seems like a point in time to do. Do we have a motion on this? We need a motion. Do we don't need a motion? We don't need a motion because we're not setting any sort of No other committee. John, just go ahead and touch base. Maybe maybe there's something we can do to encourage him to come or or help him out somewhere. Yeah. Let him win the lottery. We have to work. On another note, Seal Harbor, the new setup is complete. Seems to be functioning. Great. Does the voice work over there? The hoist works. Water's on. Docks are split in two. Everything's riding in the right spot. I could have been able to tell that, but nobody could say. I don't think we should really celebrate because they got bio. No, just you know, it's That was an unutilized harbor for many years. Think you're still going to end up with a porta body for a bit until they get the new concrete pad. Fancy port put in place. Yesterday looks good. Howie, you can report to us. It go I John John saw me. You know, we saw each other. So it all I think I saw you when you saw me cuz you That's right. They probably just got back where we talked that way. I told you to the Otter Creek landing yesterday and the fish house. That's part of

Harvard. So John was the sold hoist motor fine. Yeah. Oh, good. Fired it up. It's operating. Seems to be working fine. All right, folks. Anything else we're going to bring up? If not, I'll ask for a motion to adjurnn. We'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Move and seconded. All in favor, raise your hand. I opposed. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bob. Sinners who dwell the