Comprehensive Plan Committee - Regular Meeting

Yeah. And our road is followed that way. Yes. Yeah. Our new road. Yeah. There's no question. When I saw that like I think this is the most perfect name for the spring kind of just curiosity. Does this transcribe the recording at the end? You prefer that. Do you want to sit here or on this side or just sit a I don't think so. I promise to run here. All [Music] right. Um, I think it's a little after five. So, do you guys want to get started? Yeah. No, Heather. So, uh, a couple of things just before we get started. um have a few challenges this evening at the town office. Um the board of select would have a 6:00 meeting to go for the um audit which is a very critical part of the campaign process. So that's something that has to happen. that is a public meeting which means that we have to um log on the zoom in our meeting at 6:00 a little before 6 actually so they can get set up at six so I think um depending on whether or not anybody's on this zoom uh we can um after that either

end the meeting we have a big large audience online or um and then we can uh close the zoom meeting and we'll continue our discussion for a little bit longer. We'll probably end a little before we had originally thought this was looking at tonight if that works for everybody. Um, but just to be kind of collaborative and there may also be uh select board members and members of the public just who's who's fired up to fired up to go hear about the audit. But uh there's a public meeting that's happening. So, what we're going to do tonight um basically I'll just review the agenda and then talk about some edits. But, uh we have some time as um as always to approve the minutes from the last meeting. Uh we have some time for public comment if there is any. Um there's some committee updates related to the survey um and some additional committee members discussions. Um we're starting to plan for um activities over the summer that we'd like to talk about and prep a little bit for town meeting which is next week. And then um next on our agenda would be um I think everybody should have gotten a copy of the um housing section, the natural resources section, marine resources section. So, our original intent was to try to hammer through all of those. But I think we're going to adjust our thinking a little bit and start with natural resources and then um maybe hold on housing because I think that conversation could be an over one that we might want to spend some time on. So rather than try to rush through that given some time constraints, we'll try to get to natural resources, see what we get into from the resources and then seeing that work. Great. All right. So, um, approval of minutes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Does anybody want to

take minutes? Volunteers. I think we've already had a couple three people decided. Great. Thank you. Did everybody have have a chance to look at minutes from last time? I know. I think this is them all kind of we could hold them. Do you want a motion? Sure. Move to approve the minutes. I'll second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Any abstensions? I guess we accept the minutes. Awesome. All right. Next on the agenda, uh we have five minutes for public comment. Um anybody from the public? Uh I don't think anybody's on Zoom. I No. So Ellen, you're still here as a member of the public but awaiting nothing. Nothing now. Great. All right, we'll move on then. Uh the next on the list is committee updates. Um so the first thing on the list really is um I'm just going to we'll just dive into the up additional committee members. So I think we talked about this last time, but I'm not sure. So, we've had some people that have had to drop off the committee and had some people like Alan who are um wanting to join the committee. Um I need to follow up with the board to make sure that they're approving new members, but um I think we need to have some discussion just we talked about this last night, but just to confirm we have a few open slots and you we can manage that process, but I just want to make sure that's okay. And I'm likely to bow out once elections happen next week because I just have a little to do. Yeah,

that I think we have Allan who's interested. Um we had um is it Kate? Yeah, Kate Chap Chaplain who is interested. I don't know if there's anybody else, but we do we could probably use like one or two more. Um Sarah March had mentioned she was interested to me but uh I did ask her like should I advocate uh and she didn't I'm not sure how probably she has a lot of different stuff but she may be interested. Cool. one of his call. I can say she should have been in that status. I'm sure she would probably I think to the Yeah, she's interested because she what did what she sort of represent? Yeah. Was that where she so Okay. So, I can pass on the the form application. That'd be great. Yeah. So, we have back to two so reps. How many openings will we ask? I don't know. Two or three or four maybe. Yeah, I don't think we need like a large group right now. But if you want to kind of get back to the size that we had originally started with, I think it would be four, but we're not trying to have like exclusively one person from a village or anything like that. That would be ideal, but at this point, I don't think it all that much. We do need somebody from our creek, though. take that one straight. So, if we could put our thinking caps on some Greek resonance, that would be awesome. That was somebody, but I don't know who he did. He was I think he was talking about one of the Smith girls. Yeah. Um, do we have a picture from Stephanie on this? Oh, yeah. Stephanie. Stephanie Reese. Yep. Okay.

That's right. I haven't heard from her above this meeting. And Kate is where? Larity. Yeah. Okay. Um do you feel like for Sarah has she like asked you specific questions? Do you feel like you can just tell what Okay. for if anyone who's interested does have questions like we're happy to answer those questions too if you like more detailed than you can um does it have to be somebody who is a year resident thinking like the economic development committee has several people who are summer residents and I'm wondering since it's such a mix would it be helpful to have somebody since we're getting into the different season or they could join us online would that be useful. Well, I don't know. So, I would say from the from a like technical standpoint, unless there's a policy from the town that says you can't be on committee if you're not a full-time resident, then there's no way that you can be a member from our perspective. I'll leave that discussion up to you folks. Is there a policy that we should if anybody too? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there committees with season. Yeah, pretty sure there's no policy. You know, uh my guess is it's only elected positions. Yeah. Select the committees and boards have appointed ultimately. Can you say again? Did you say are free? Which are where are the areas that need representation? Let's see. I think we have every all of the villages with the exceptions are approved.

Yeah. Yes, we do. Great. Is there someone in particular you're thinking of, Kathy, that's interested or? No, just wondering about Oh, getting the perfect case. I would be sure except a lot of history. So, the process would be again, you know, we should we need a few more a couple more people, but we have say three I think there are at least three that are interested including Sarah. Sarah um and then if we needed another one but you know fill out the application it goes to the board of selectman and we I think our job is really just to tell the board yes you can if it so pleases the board we you can accept full one members and then we'll probably full right now they're just not full because we told they're full right next thing on the list is update on the survey rank chair. Um, well, we didn't prepare any slides like last time. Um, I think I'm trying to think when we met last time we talked about it, we were in the 120s and now we're up to 173. Um, we got two yesterday and handful on the 29th. I did some direct outreach to people with uh kids that I maybe um might be interested. And so thank you. Um but uh yeah, we're keeping the survey open until through town meeting. So um I think at time it's important to really draw attention to it and get the word out that way as well. And hopefully we'll get I would love to get 200. Um we were looking at like

confidence intervals today. I don't think the idea is to make it like statistically valid per se. It'd be great to have more, but um yeah, that's where we're at right now. And I did ask the um school to include it in their newsletter. So I gave them the poster with the new date. Okay, great. So that went out like at the beginning of vacation. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Yeah. And I gave it to the Oh, good. Thank you. Great. Great. Great. I'll check back in with Susie. the neighbor watching because she had said she would send it unless there's a channel that I am not in. I don't think it went out. That would be I think that would be a good one. Okay. I think um so we're really kind of relying on outreach from everybody here plus the internet and whatever events that we can get to. But if we could u maybe take one more push sort of leading up to town meeting to to blast it out on the on the list the service we have available or emails that would be great and just to try to boost it a little bit more. They they did have it with some residents. Right. I had reached out again but I think maybe they already heard that it was sended through the e alerts. Yeah. Yeah. Right. when when I was taking it, thinking about sending it out, I noticed that all of which we may have discussed this, but I noticed that all the questions are required in future surveys. That to me felt like really like a accessibility issue, but also um like a truth like a reliability issue um in terms of people might serve without having actual like actually anything to submit or any opinion on the matter. some data or for future surveys. I don't think there changes this month. Great. Good, good

feedback. So, can we rely on you to reach out to Susie again and see if they can get it out? Can you put it out on the MD365 list one more time? Um, yeah, we did include it in our newsletter yesterday. Yep. Oh, great. Good. And um I send it out to my people. Okay. Did you see the ones at the library? I don't know how many there were, but one of the librarians is saying, "No, there's quite a few here." Good. Yeah, I have it on my notes to call up. And I know there's some like in the box over here at the town office, too. So, y Yeah. And we can talk to Claire one more time, Suzanne. And I'll be doing something particular at the town meeting. Well, that's great segue into our next agenda item, which is town meeting prep. So, I guess I have questions. Um, you know, hopefully everybody's going to the town meeting. Um, but also I can get there a little bit early and we could bring a poster, but I think that we could um use some support that's just that's not either me or me and Suzanne to like really try to get people to take the survey at the beginning of town, you know, before town meeting. So, if you're waiting in line to register or get your um you know, voting cards or whatever um they're called, um that would be great. And I haven't talked to Claire, but it might be nice to have a place where we can put the put the poster, but we need to do that. Will there be paper copies of this at town meeting? We can definitely bring paper copies. Yep. And then during the um not so exciting articles, maybe people fill it out. We could collect them at the end. Meaning the wives. The L wives would be fun. It's not very exciting. The wives. That's the leadup. That's what bores people

into leading to all the latest stuff. Maybe the moderator could. That's a good idea. I'll see if you like. Can you put that soon? Can you put that on the script? Yes. I would love that. It's super logical and Yeah. still need some hard coffees. Yep. Some posters. How about some of pens for people that we can say? Yeah. How about some walk through the benches and say, "I've done it. I've done it." Energy. But we can also be eating more. How much more obnoxious can I get? That'd be cool. I'm lazy. That we could also do some flyers like what we were what we did actually we were going to do for the lunch the last neighborhood house lunch. Just put them on chairs or just you know with the QR code. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's a good idea because we can go early and just distribute those. Yeah. All over the place. Yep. And so I typically don't stick around till the very end of town meeting because I'm not sure that's super useful for town's resources. But if some if we do have the hard copies, if somebody could be there who's planning to make sure we get them, happy to stay if anybody really wants me to. It's usually when the school budgets get voted on just sitting there. Okay. Anything else we should be doing at town meeting? We can get a little table and just sit behind the table and just talk

about it. Yeah. You know, if we're there and and if we have dates for things planned, we might want to get that word out in advance if we, you know, where there's going to be like village meetings or whatever it is we're going to be planning. I don't think we have that. Yep. Not yet. Not ready yet. Yeah. Okay. I can change this. Okay, seems like a good good. All right. So, the next thing on the list is the summer public outreach discussion. And what I think the the purpose of this item on the agenda really is to make sure that we brainstorm from everybody in the room like what events do you think uh there are going to be in the summer and then let's talk a little bit about how we should participate in some of those events. So, I think Suzanne and I are thinking about it a little bit. Um, it really isn't just it really isn't necessarily even asking people for anything. It's basically just making sure that people are aware that we're doing this process and that where they should go to try to get information or participate in the process. So, it's it's not like a big ask. It's just that we're going to need um some participation from people in this room, maybe from us for some of those meetings at those events where we can just say this is going on. You know, some of them maybe we want to have uh more of a presence, some of them would maybe want to have a smaller presence. But I thought what we could do today is really kind of make sure we brainstorm that list. I know we've talked about it a little bit in the past and then talk, you know, to some degree as we're brainstorming about what would make sense to to be you know, present at that meeting at those meetings. So, wouldn't you go to the summer res association meetings this summer and be part of the agenda? Yeah, for for that one. Yes, that's a good example of one that we said as summer residents association

meeting. Do we want to try to get to both? Yes. And if we do um to me it would be um here's more, you know, it'd be a similar it would be more of a presentation than a dis and a discussion than a hey, we're doing this. But I think you do want to go to both of them. Yep. So there's one in July and one in August and we probably should reach out to uh what's to see when they are know that date that would be it should be on their part of their website which is part of the town website. Okay. Not anymore. I look Does anybody mind if I occasionally like it's helpful for me? I'm going to look it up right now. Does it bother any I'm still present. Tell us I think they moved some of residents meetings to the neighborhood house. So that would not be on the town's calendar. No, but they used to have a link on the homepage for like committees and they used to include the SR in there and that link is no longer there. I I looked for it recently because we wanted to see about the newsletters, right? And it I didn't see it there anymore. Are those meetings like open to anybody? Are they like an hour long? What's the typical agenda? It's usually an hour because people want to just get in and get out. Okay. Because they have other things to do. They have time, of course. It's really just a summer residence. They go association. That's your sort of ass. I see. Because I kind of went in. Yeah. And they didn't know I was coming. Um, we I've been to a couple of they're pretty good meetings. They are. Yeah. They get an update from Derland. Uhhuh. From the board of the SR8. Um, often have somebody from the Kadia National Park there talking about what's going on there. They had firemen there one year

to talk about the the ambulance service going out of business, etc. So, how you've been when you did a reassessment? Yeah. Did you have to wear armor that young? Just the thick skin was good. So, it looks like they are they have their own they may have for a while. It doesn't I don't see it on the town website. I do see it on their own web page and they do have a meetings web meetings page but I think it's referencing a 2024 meeting. Okay. As opposed to is www.smd.org. Yeah. Yeah. going to be having sets her dates. But the other thing is Ann Marie would know because the meeting is at the neighborhood. Yeah. Why don't I like to reach out to Darland or Ann Marie? We can pencil that in. But just I think um for tonight so just to be mindful of time we're going to put the list. What's what's other things that we should be making sure that we do? What's Isn't there you know I feel like there's a couple of like summer festival type things that always happen over here like Memorial Day. Nope. parade and lunch down a pretty What would be doing? So, typically like this kind of outreach would be setting up a small table, maybe having a poster and just answering the questions and saying, "Hey, the town is going through this process. Here's what it involves." Um, right now we're in this stage. Maybe there's a um we can create like a postcard or flyer that has a QR code for the project website and like if you're interested, you know, get in touch if you have questions. It's really just sort of like being present and letting people know that it's happening and there's no like ask to take a survey. But um some people will want to engage and like talk to you about their concerns or the things they love or whatever it is. And um some people have no idea like what a comprehensive plan

is. So um helping them understand that like there will be policies written that sort of have to do with land use and that thing. the word plan. Yes. Yes. It can be very um um if you if you ever wanted to just set up a card table on my lawn, okay, any morning during the summer, that's fine. And I would suggest like 9:30 to 11:30 when people are going to the mail and going to get the paper and doing those kind of things. Is that something that like a committee member could be at or are you thinking that one of us could be? I don't care. Yeah, it matters not. someone that's able to engage with the public and bring people to them more than having because people just walk right by my office all the time. Yeah. Right. What about the Chamber of Commerce at their events? They do on Thursday nights, right? There are some Thursday nights. They have a website and um no dating. Oh, the movies down here. I don't know if they're doing movies this year. And then there's also the farmers market, but I don't know. That's a whole tough. Yeah. Yeah. People go in with a mission, right, for all of these things in North to get to the tomatoes first. Okay. Um, what about in other villages? So, Seal Harbor will have a library sale on the green. Okay. There's a library like a library sale in Ssville, but it's hard for me to quite imagine. They don't have like other information tables or anything. It's really a library event. Festival highly tourist. Yes. Which one?

Sil. Yeah, that's a What about a beach farm? Are there any events there? You sure? Um definitely know what they are within Chinese look into that. Yes. Their store might have some compatibility. What the does COA store? They don't store their fresh produce. Sorry about they could just have like an information little like nook. Is that what you're thinking of at the store? Yeah, that would be General Storm would be another good location for that too. No, that too many of these suggestions are really hitting your own residence for a we need from Taurus to be one. I think we're not really asking. So, I would classify a lot of these things as like these are informational opportunities. Like we're going to make a postcard or a little poster, some of which we can leave there, some of which we uh can hand out before present like at Katrina's law party. Yeah. But I would say and then this is like opportunities for you know where's that informal interaction and those conversations that we that we can have with people um you know to just let them know hey this is happening something you should pay attention to more than just like this traditional let's have a a public meeting which we are going to do but we still need to like make an effort to find those little opportunities you know if something at the Memorial Day lunch just to sit just to be there and

say, "Hey, we're we're updating our comp plan. You really should pay attention to this website or be involved or at least know that it's going on and why it's important." So, it's an effort to it's sort of like survey if you get a you know 20% return rate on some of those occasions like that's okay. I wonder when the in um elementary school spring concert. I don't I can look at it. I can find it. I'm sure there's a good idea. I know my kids go to school, but like when they were going through the design phase of their new school, they've only had like materials set up. have a good factor somebody there to answer questions at one like the spring concert and they'll further on there'll be probably a Halloween parade through town right that's yeah October the seal harbor village improvement society must have a meeting during the summer so I would think if you could get on their agenda What was that? Seal Harbor Village improvement. Is there I guess there is, but the Northeast Harbor one is more of a year round um you know it's Rick Savage and Jerry Simmons. Um I think it's either it's Bob fault and it might be Christopher but I'm not sure. But I think Seal Harbor is more um more of a meeting and remember the Seal Harbor Village Improvement Society are the people that take care of the Seal Harbor Village Green and the Seal Harbor Beach. So they really are um doing things that are very visible. Debbie Julio, is that still a person that is involved there? Um she's the bookkeeper

secretary person. That's the contact me there website. Okay. and she grew up in Northeast Parks, so she would understand wanting to be a part of this. Is there something that makes us compel? Like I think it's it's valuable to be a presence and to make sure people are aware and if they can ask questions and and learn more. Is there something that we are going to be asking of the public besides the survey down the road that would be later on? Community meetings. community meetings. Okay. And I think once we have like our um when we're done reviewing all the inventories, we'll have a public meeting says here's the result of the survey. Here's the key findings kind of summarized. Um and then you know asking for feedback. What are your thoughts on that? Does that ring true? What do you think's missing? Those kind of common questions. And then we'll do an a couple exercises to um look more specifically at vision values and some initial sort of future land use questioning. But that would be like more of like a one standalone larger public meeting event. No like different villages. Not in that case. Um but um yeah, I think that the later on engagement is sort of like here's where we are in the process, you know, do you have any reaction to this so far? Like what's missing? You know, what are your thoughts? That kind of thing. Yeah. Would there be like a rack card that's can be passed out? That's what you're hoping to do, right? So would you would be able to have that be distributed from the historical society in s sound from the great harbor maritime museum in northeast from the chamber building down here. We could yes you guys think that's that

we're doing compens well I guess that's what I'm trying to understand is like how much to put into like what is the volume? We could also do like a sort of like a trifold, you know, 8 by 11 that says like here's comp plan. These are the things that are actually important and these are opportunities to be a part like I think that ask for that. Yep. That's relevant to them. Yeah. You know, the more personal immediate way. Yeah. But I think the bullet points really are, you know, yeah, we're going to be talking about vision and values and all that stuff, but I mean, you're like the keyed into what that to really for that to really click, but it's, you know, things like we are are we going to be able to have a community and we you know, one of the big there's like a bunch of topics that'll get people I think kind of fired up or notation. Yeah. remind people that this is voted on at the town meeting. So what's stand should we stop? You don't want people to get to town meeting when it does get to town meeting and be like I have never heard about this. You want them to be like, "Yes, we know." That's what the whole We're going to be voting on this assuming you're civically active and you need to be engaged, right? Or where I'm just thinking like were I to go to a group and say, "Could we have an info table?" Like what is it that's going to be like the the real reasoning for them to feel it's valuable? And I think that is it. Yeah. will be writing policies to affect sort of municipal decision making in the future and setting goals for the town. Yeah. With regard to this discussion, we will be mindful of time given us again and

and consider what we do. And can I just throw one for you is that since we're going to be passing out information and we want people to come to any public meeting or however many, maybe we should set those dates sooner rather than later. That's the reason why we're having this discussion right now so we can set those dates. Okay. Yep. Do you have the library to your um places to have information? Library. Libraries. So we've got the C library, the Stonesville library. Yeah, I've already talked to Amy here about doing sort of just normal constant discussion about the process. All right, I think that's good. Suzanne maybe I can engage with Kelly to come up with some just gonna see if I can switch. Okay. So, I'm going to skip over the housing. So, we're going to let's move into the next topic and I'm just going to skip over these slides. Um, It's cuz we can't. You're not the only one that All right. So this is a similar kind of discussion that we had from our last meeting but um again what we've done is gone through the old comprehensive plan uh and really tried to update the data and come up with a set of key findings.

So the version that you have in front of you is the draft. Um well so and then we've prepared sort of these summary slides that we're talking about which is hopefully going to be a good tool for everybody to not have to uh for others to not have to like slog through the whole document if you're not interested but like really get to the meat of the matter. So we we decided to start with natural resources because we have a few things we'd like to go over with that. But um we have the same thing that we did last time which is coming up with some key findings um about natural resources including um town has is enhanced by its accessible scenic and natural resources. So, what we found was a lot of probably obvious stuff, but you know, the town has a lot of natural resources. A bunch of it's in the park. Um, but also a bunch of it's very accessible either walking or driving um through uh the park. So, that's one key resource, but it's also that enhances the community. I'm going to just keep reading through and then you guys can have at it. That map is different than the one that got mailed to us, I think. Isn't it two pages? So maybe the first page uh the next one we had was much of the land in town is protected from development which um does enhance habitat connectivity and biodiversity. So Kaden National Park is like 40% of the town. Um drinking water supply um comes from both groundwater and surface water. So there are three I think public water sources. town also has the water the protection the the ordinances that

protect the the drinking water supply and there are really I think there are only two aquifers sandy gravel aquar one's over by the golf course which is interesting is this text from the previous no some of it we just redid yeah I would not I would say what for the future we have taken the anything that you see as like our current draft and we have maybe taken some language from that plan, but if we had to massage it a little bit. So the old plan where we're really going to be getting into it is in the future we're going to be taking like the goals and strategies from the old plan and just we're you know some of them have already been done so we can delete those and then others we're just going to take word for word here's what you said you wanted to do in 2009 here's what it's still there is still valid based on what we learned from the last discussions that we've had but may think this also answers your question especially for this topic like there's a program at the state and land fisheries and wildlife all beginning with habitat. They do tremendous data collection and um identification a lot of this information um and that didn't exist to the same degree like when the current plan was done. So the this these key findings come from that inventory chapter which is just sort of a um you know data gathering exercise from that source in particular. Yep. Some of the word dean might be similar to the old plan because we're trying not to like Yeah. In place where something like didn't change and still makes sense. The way it's written is still in there. All right. So, we also um just pointed out that the streams um have a really high environmental quality rating. the highest reading for the most part except for a few that are in the like that beer

the B tier. One question I would have around that is like where are the areas of of stream um infiltration that we want to be concerned with or um sometimes there's like coverts and and road crossings that we need to be thinking about for stream water quality protection. um over only 6% of the soils if you look at the soils map are classified as prime farmland. So there's not a huge amount of the soils on in the town that is um you know great for farming and most of the shoreline u of the water bodies outside of the park are developed. So I think um there are 11 lakes and ponds in Mount Dert and most of the shorelines developed around those areas at Barn Park. I don't know if anybody had a chance to really look through the deep dive on the other stuff, but is there anything that was sort of jumping out at you or at least in your experience like boy I really this is what I thought was going to be in there. It's all good stuff. We have a lot of protected land, a lot of biodiversity and different habitat opportunities. Um I think when we get into some discussions, it would be interesting to think about threats to water quality, those kinds of things. Yes. Speaking of that, groundwater concerns as a person on a well and a fractured environment and I think that it's going to be very important for the town. You're talking about density and increasing density to burrow into the to our actual capacity to make properties uh become more dense. Uh given the nature of the water Are we sure that we can do this

thing? I don't think it's just the water supply in. I think it's the water supply out too because we are so fledgy getting in the septic systems or not sewers. Sure. Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Although presumably you could deal with that more easily by I mean the areas that already have septic you know already have sewer right but those sewer plants can only accomplish yes so much yes you're right for sure so I just wrote down groundwater dominance um groundwater well making understanding quality important in planning for future growth and I think she's right to say al also sewage sewage septic systems and sewage capacity. You don't want that infrastructure to lag. Yeah. So maybe one um we can add to that key fighting a little bit maybe separate out the ground. We could do a key finding that just deals with drinking water. You know, there are four or three water bodies that provide public drinking water sources that are protected by ordinances and surrounded by conservation men. Um and then another bullet that just deals with like there's a dominance on um you know well groundwater wells which you know it does some of that and then also because of that subject systems also well it might be worth having some maps or some information that shows where the town is served by public water public water that is in the public facilities chapter. Okay. Yeah. On the maps that are here, would it be

possible to put a legend to say what you're indicating? For sure. Y yeah, they're in the inventory chapter. I don't know why they didn't copy over, but definitely All right. So the other thing um for this chapter that we wanted to point out is if you looked at the larger chapter at the end of this one we have section called um I think it's time but it's basically sustainability and and environmental is you know considerations there the thought process is you know not necessarily sustainability sustainability umations. Yeah. And so that I think is an attempt to sort of address like areas that we may that these are things that these are implications from the sustainability questions that we may want to consider as we're going through. We think the conversation really is when we talked about this issue at the beginning people thought it was important that people address it. Rather than having a separate chapter dedicated to this, we're going to try to integrate it into different ways in these chapters. This is one of the ways that we think might be a good way to do it. Does that make sense to not having to either at least that approach? Hello. Hi. You guys here for the selecting captive? Yeah. Are you guys thinking? Yes.

Like whether it seems like we have a bunch of key findings and then is there any concerns? No, we haven't we haven't gone to that level yet, but we could do that sort of I think sometimes the key finds could build into that. Y sometimes too depending on the topic if there's like a really um emerging trend or something that that is worth mentioning that maybe isn't being like inventoried specifically for the community, you can put that at the end. But um I think we wrestled with like how do you address the climate and sustainability aspect sort of throughout the plan and then calling it out in particular where it makes the most sense be that grand shouldn't only be blind because housing is a concern but the you know it's like you should have concerns that are side just seemed like it limited it to in the natural resources section but just in general assuming that we're doing that in every section that it's too I think what N's trying to say is like in the natural resources section we um have included this part about sort of climate and sustainability and locations for the natural resources and so yeah at the end of that that um inventory chapter uh you know these are very kind of general discussions of things that could occur but it's not like data that says like we have collected this data and show that like over the last 20 years that a certain type of plant species or insect or something has changed there it's kind of like a general reference to it and I think we're just trying to get a sense of like is that a good way to approach it well if you want a whole

entire separate Possibly if you want information about changes in the environment, the park may be a resource to provide. Um you know there are certainly anybody who lives knows that there are pests that come about here the fire dels the all those sorts of things that and invasive species and plant species and then I guess that all ties in to is there anything need to come out of this with with regard to changes in policy, changes in Ly to better respond to what we can rely anticipate. Yeah. So I think also I would add to your question which is how do we some exactly what you meant but you know there's things that are going to pop up and even in this discussion like I would classify Gail's comment as a key finding but also a concern. Yeah. So how do we make sure that we don't lose those concerns as we're going through this discussion? You know, I would say that from the a planning perspective, a lot of what we've been doing in the past year is responding to things that have been wiped out by major storms and allow people to rebuild in the same spots. Mhm. Um maybe a little bit higher and I guess the you know financially that's on them if it gets wiped out again but to what extent should the and and we can't do anything about that. We can't we and we're not because we enforce the ordinance. We're

not in a position to say to the the Northeast Harbor Fleet, are you sure that that building is going to be washed? Okay. Again, I mean, are they following FEMA guidelines? And maybe that's all we can do if we still have FEMA guidelines. Um, following FEMA guidelines and because that's another issue. I mean that guidelines the federal guidelines that sort of thing I might predict are going to be for a period of time lacking and so is the town of the physician or should they be counseling what's reasonable for us to do about some of these things and what latitude right those are really good questions there is a lot of data readily available about um like sea level projected sea level rise like highest faster tide plus in these different scenarios. Y um you know we are I mean that will be part of what we've done. I don't know if we've gotten into the deep dive on that in the marine resources section, but those maps are things that would relate to the event. Yes. And typically, not to go like too into the rabbit hole here, but like know if you did have a climate um change implications section of this chapter, for example, um where it seems most pertinent like that could be a place where you would put those maps and then ask those questions perhaps. Because I think part of this conversation is going to be about getting people to begin to think differently about how we use the edges or how we can't use the edges or what the edges are or will be or will be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and but that's going to take a shift in attitude and how do we have that

conversation that we've all seen hurricanes wipe out communities on barrier reefs in the houses. They're just a little higher. That's out of the insurance base. Yeah. Part of the future land use discussion like we're all bringing some of that. Yeah. And again, I mean, we're so far up here. Comp plan is up here. So, it's sort of like directing the this is the the path that you need to take to have that conversation and what what at the end of that road is, you know, not is yet to be determined. That's where like our next step might be you, you know, and I think probably already working on this, but you actually need to do a more comprehensive vulnerability assessment of your community in order to make smart choices about how you make investments in those areas. roads are another big one, right? Coverts or docks like one of you have a huge very important um waterfront, you know, infrastructure in town and there's public money that gets invested in that and so what's your investment strategy or how do you think about those things in action? Yeah, it seems like for our policy like our driving things for policy, I'm let people make their mistakes and pay for them. Uhhuh. Right. But if it then just like having a a float in the harbor, if that breaks loose and hits somebody else's boat, you're responsible for it. So the only policy I could see was that we should be thinking about do your poor choices other people's. Well, when a house washes into the ocean, there's some implication in the for the ocean, right? In the hornets. Yeah. So that's the getting back to the public part of it. You're right. There's the the or the natural resources part. What are the natural resource implications of climate change too? And then how do you want to

start? What role does the town play in that? What's your discussion? Yeah. Sorry. All right. So, we got to we'll be jumping off the zoo.