Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Monday, 2025. It is 7:30 p.m. I am calling to order the town of Mount Ary Planning Commission meeting. And our first order of business, please, is the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And as always, I welcome those who have uh taken the time this evening to come and join us here in the town hall chambers and also to those that are following tonight's commission meeting uh via the line live stream from the Carol Media Center and thanks to the Carol Media Center for that uh capability. I also want to add a welcome to our new commission um council liaison officer, the newly sworn in Mr. Sean Kelly. Uh to my right and your left over here, uh Mr. Kelly uh recently elected to town council and was assigned to us uh by the mayor with council approval for being our liaison to the council. And just a little background, all of the town's volunteer commissions have such a council liaison to partner with them as we do the business of the town. And so again, a hearty welcome to Sean. Um it's a big job here. And so I'm going to say in advance, we appreciate all the lifting you can uh help put a shoulder in to get the job done for the town. So, um, uh, yeah, can I just add we do have a revised agenda, uh, that was posted. There's copies out on the table. Uh, there was a item that was removed from

the agenda, which is item number nine. Uh, the property was posted and just wanted to say that starting off and I think also that uh, our Frederick County planner I just learned, uh, will not be here as well. She got an auto reply from when we sent packets packets out. Miss Marino, she won't be here as well. Okay. Okay. Um well, I'll wait until we get to the counter reports here. Um so the next order of business is our review and approval of the minutes from our last meeting, which was April 28th, um 2025. And so I ask the commissioners to quickly glance over the minutes that were provided uh by Miss Clinton. Um, and I ask that you put a special keen eye to how well, and I'm making a um, a commendation here to Miss Clinton, how well she captured at the top of page two, um, a real good, succinct description of our discussion last time with regard to the proposed simplified site plan and to the topic regarding food truck regulations. And so Deborah, at least for me, kudos to capturing that lengthy discussion in such a a nice succinct way. Um, and then broader, of course, as I always do. If there's any um anything else, uh, when we have a motion for approval, I'll open discussion and that's where you can add edits, corrections, or any of the like. So with that, pause and hopefully you've taken a look at the past minutes. Do I have a motion for approval or disapproval of the April minutes of the commission? A motion to approve. The motion made by Commissioner Bea. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Commissioner Buts. Is there any discussion, edits, or corrections of the minutes in April? Hearing and seeing none. All

those in favor of the motion to approve the April minutes, please say by I. I. Of those opposed. The minutes are approved and accepted unanimously. Thank you, Deborah. And I'll sign this at the end for you, Ralph. Before you start the citizen comments, um I do want to let you know you do have a controller in front of you that has a minute timer. Should be a small black controller. Is that what that was? Yeah. So, we do have a newly installed three minute or you have a timer. You have the option to choose different times for whoever's speaking. Oh my gosh. So, whenever you're don't press yes until you're one to three minutes up. Yeah. Um Oh no. Well, are you changing colors? Before Before we waste too much time, let me see if there are any. I'm trying to set it down. It's at 7 minutes. Well, it's showing the real time now. It's not in countdown mode. So, I can press the button if you need me to. Why don't you do that? But yeah, you know, I saw this thing up here and I thought that's crazy new little device. And I didn't see it, but you had the mount. So, you're about to run that portion. Gotcha. And and I can use the old, you know, cheap Casio here if as I learn how to use that. Uh, so this is the portion of tonight's agenda where I invite anyone from the community, resident or non-resident, to come forward at the table or uh, we got the boom mic active. Uh, the has to be turned on, that's all. Yeah. Sean, if you could just flick that. There you go. Super. Okay. Um, can I see a show of hands of anybody who wishes to make a comment, a public comment before we get into the rest of the agenda? Once again, seeing none, I close the public comments portion of tonight's agenda.

You can turn that off and we'll work on that after the meeting if we have time. Um, so the next item on the agenda, and John alluded to, we are not going to have a Frederick County liaison. That's uh Miss Vanessa Moreno giving us uh some news uh from the planning that's occurring within Frederick County, Frederick City, New Market, etc. Um she didn't submit anything in writing, did she? No. Okay. Uh so we'll wave her. Carol County Planner is still vacant, I believe. John, um do we have anything from them? No correspondence from them either. Gotcha. Okay. All right. Uh so for this agenda item, we're just going to go on past it and uh we'll look to uh June's uh commission meeting for updates from both of the county um Frederick and Carol on what they're doing with regard to planning. Uh I will make a quick footnote here and that is I believe I speak for much of the commissioners that we're very keen on Frederick County's housing pipeline that is now going to show 1,0 dwelling units going in just to our west. uh near the town of New Market. Uh and that uh that is a frequent conversation with the Frederick County leazison, Miss Marino. She's done really good work in keeping us appraised of that progress. And why is that worth noting? It's because of their proximity and our concerns with regard to everything with adequate public facilities perhaps coming this way instead of west into Frederick City for various municipal services, library, etc. etc. So, I just want to assure the public and state that, you know, of all the county efforts over in Frederick County, that one's really near to us and it's really large. A thousand dwelling units, John and his planners on the town staff take every dwelling unit times

2.75 people. So, if you do 2.75 times 1,0 dwelling units, you get a you get an appreciation for why we want to kind of keep this in our in our attention. So, uh that's that's a lot of people surging into the community just to our west. Okay. Uh past that, uh we now have the first item, which is an introduction and discussion and a recommendation of approval or disapproval that'll be provided to the board of appeals per the code on the Happy Castle Daycare. It's a special exemption to have a home uh operated uh daycare. Uh this is covered by code section 1125C and uh 11262F10. It may show on your agenda F7, but it's F10. Um, and so I ask the applicant, Miss Griffith, and any representatives you wish to accompany you, please, if you could come forward. Um, am I correct? Uh, Miss Danielle Griffith. Very good. Thank you. And so, we'll begin this item on the agenda with asking for a staff report from John Breeden. Yes. So, welcome. I do want to apologize. The staff report does have a couple um corrections that'll be part of what goes to the board of appeals. Uh instead of a home occupations, it's actually under um under um section 1125C2, which is a nursery or daycare. Uh so some of the special exception criteria down here is going to change but ultimately you're here today to just get a recommendation from the board of from the planning commission to say that that use is allowed within this zone which it is under this special exception request. So again if you go to the last page again we can go down through some of this or Ralph did you want to hit on

anything in particular? I know we had concerns about the fencing and some of those again the staff report is sort of off track from the wrong Sure. Yeah. If you could just um uh with regard to that item from the staff report I believe you had mentioned the applicant has also submitted for a fenced area within the yard. I think did we receive a fence permit from you or No, not yet. I have gotten quotes from two different vent Okay. So there is there's some requirements that might be part of that special exception that will be discussed at the board of appeals that you might have to comply with uh and meet state standards. Gotcha. Um so yeah I mean staffer is recommending a a favorable recommendation to the board of appeals to grant the special exception. Okay. So, at this point, what I do is I turn to the applicant if there's anything you would like to highlight or emphasize with regard to your application for this uh homebased daycare or uh nursery. Um any critical points you'd like to emphasize in the application. Um I'm hoping to open up a daycare. I am a former teacher. Let me see. Press that button in front. It's actually green, so it should be good. Okay. Um I'm a former teacher. I taught kindergarten for 10 years. So, I'm hoping to open up a daycare. Um I know there's a big need in Montgomery County or in um Mount Ary and Carroll County for daycarees. So, um we have a nice big space in my house and a big open space in the field across from the street from my house. So, hoping that I can open it. Very good. Very good. And I believe with staff's help, we show that um um community of Nottingham, if I'm correct, and that um that playground and extensive, let's say, I'll just use the word park. Um also has an extensive rarely fairly new

uh jungle gym playground equipment. Uh it's a little bit off of the picture here, but it's kind of up in the upper right. There you go. Um, so you've got great accommodations just right across the street if you so choose with the children under your care is is the point I think uh worth emphasizing. Um, and so with that, as I usually do, I turn to the other commissioners if you have any questions for Miss Griffith um, regarding her applications. Any question? I I just had a question about the fencing. Um, what type of fencing were you putting in? because can see the pools next to it. So that's why. Yes. Um both neighbors have a fence. So we've gotten quotes to get the same fencing that they have to match theirs. Okay. So the people behind us have a fence. We just have to fill in three different spaces. Okay. And it's not nonclimable. It's raw. It's raw iron. Okay. Okay. Any other commissioner questions? Thanks for coming, Danielle. So, when you're talking about the fencing, obviously the pool's there. We don't want the little ones to go falling in there, right? Um, rot iron is your choice. Is it black rod iron kind of to match the rest of the neighborhood? Have you submitted your AR application for that yet? I have not. Okay. You should do that. Okay. Just just do it so that that way you while you're working with vendors to decide on a price for it, you have that approved and you're able to go ahead with it. um for your daycare. Um I would recommend getting a uh land survey just to make sure you're not on anybody else's property even though you're butdding the fence up against the back uh in that process. So yeah, send it over to I think it's Claget that runs the Yes. the homeowner association. Okay. My only other question for you is I know that in the HOA docs there is a certain amount of home daycarees that are allowed in the neighborhood. Um

obviously I don't think we've met that threshold. Otherwise, I would just ask um Allison Meter Claget about that just to make sure you're not either over that threshold or not. It's definitely a needed something needed for just our neighborhood. I'm sure you'll be able to fill it with just the neighbors and in the neighborhood and that'll be full for you. Um those are my only two questions. Just make sure you get your AR app in and just double check with her about the home daycarees. Okay. Uh congratulations. You got my vote. I'm fine. Gotcha. Any other questions? Commissioner Hadley. Let's um if I could just touch upon the fence um one more time, Miss Griffith, and that is according to the code, and I'm referencing 112-62, which is the paragraph in the code with respect to special exceptions, which this falls into. Um you're on an R2 property, the special exceptions have to be uh met so that you can go to the board of appeals. And so that's the process. And so under uh 11262F blegs 10 or subp paragraph 10, it talks about the fencing and it says an interesting thing. Um and I'm going to be admit to you. I'm not trying to be a gotcha here because I have discussed this with um uh the town zoning administrator. It says that for the yards um let's see for the yards 25 ft from all property lines. And so it's rather odd because we know that your yard goes all the way to your property line. And so what I'm trying to do here is I'm trying to provide clarity and interpretation of what's in the code if it's not clear. And so there's also been a consultation very briefly with the town attorney, Mr. McCarron to your left. And so right after that, there's also a statement in the code that says

there shall be an adequately sized play area fully fenced and enclosed. So if you put the two together, it sounds like there has to be an outside play area for the children. And I believe you are um estimating eight children max. Is that correct? Gotcha. And so there's nothing in the code that gives us anything other than adequately sized. And so if I may bring up that point and kind of trail on Commissioner Bea's recommendation is um I believe uh when you go before the board of appeal uh you may want to have good answers as to the size of the outside play area. And my point being if if you've put in for a um a fence that normally for homeowners goes where on the property lines, right? This code says if you want to operate a daycare, that fenced enclosed area has to be 25 ft from the property line. Am I interpreting that right, Mr. McCarron? So, um, so I just mentioned that because if you apply for and succeed in putting in a fence along the property line, you still need now a fenced area 25 ft away from adjacent property lines that's fully enclosed for just the children's outside activities. Um, Tom, I mean, uh, John, that's how you read the code. That's correct. Okay. And so, um, did you want to make a comment? Is that all three sides? Um, so it another good another good question. And so it says in the code that the sides of the enclosed area have to be at least 25 ft from the current surveyed property line. Um, so when you say all three sides, um, I I

I don't think it dictates that it has to be necessarily attached to the rear of the house, like to the patio or you know what I'm saying in that case. Um, it just says that it has to have a separate fenced fully enclosed area that is kind of a subset of the yard and at least 25 ft from the adjacent property lines. We speculated on why that's in the code. We're kind of thinking in in terms of a child wouldn't want to go all the way to your property fence and encounter maybe a dog on the other side. Do you follow what I'm saying? So, they're trying to put that buffer in there for I think primarily the safety of the children, but that's just me trying to interpret the town code. Okay. So, again, um I think all the uh advice from Commissioner Bea is sound with those little notes that I've just added on. It's not just a property line fence. It's also a separate enclosed area for safe daycare activities outside. Do the commissioners follow what I'm Oh, yeah. what I'm helping here. Does that Does that make sense to you? Gotcha. Um, and ultimately ultimately I think that decision could also be made at the board of appeals case. If if you need to do some type of a slight variance or something, you might be able to negotiate that. I'm not sure if that's true, Tom. I I'm not sure about that. Um, but I would also add that I I believe this to also be a requirement of the state to uh obtain. So I believe that this requirement maps what the state requires in order to get lenture. Okay. One last uh try from the commissioners. If not, um, because this is a homebased daycare, I also invite if there's anyone here adjacent properties that wish to get up and speak with respect to the applicants operating a daycare. Seeing none, I close the public comment on this agenda item. And I think

now it's fair to ask for a motion from the commissioners. And keep in mind, the motion has to be a recommendation for approval to go to the board of appeals or a recommendation of disapproval. If you recommend approval and wish to place conditions, I think that were kind of raised um by Commissioner Bea, then I think that would be appropriate. Um so opening up for a motion with respect to this application. I also move a motion. Yeah. Are you going to make the motion? Well, I was Are you I was supporting it. No, no, no. Okay. Um he he raised I don't want to steal any thunder here. Yeah, he's going to make any of course. Go go go ahead, Commissioner Ba. I'll make a motion to approve the case number MA-B-2025-01 for the homebased daycare business under the applicant Danielle Griffith. Site location 1810 Castle Green Circle, Mount Air, Maryland. with the exceptions of the plat survey and the fencing and also um just verifying this these uh 25 foot um stipulations in the in the zoning code um and uh the conversation with the HOA's uh officer Allison Meter about the homebased daycare and uh that's it. Anyone else? I'm good. Is there a second for that motion? I'll second commissioner but second is and if I can um I'm opening to discussion if I could offer that we're recommending approval to the board of appeals. Um just a slight modification I offer that to the motioner. Is that acceptable? That's acceptable. Great. And in lie of with

the exceptions phrasiology with the conditions that they meet the HOA uh architectural review committee arc um submission for the fencing fencing. Yes. Gotcha. Okay. That meets the guidelines of the architectural uh guidelines for the neighborhood. Okay. And we've modified the initial motion that was seconded. So, we now need to get a second on the new revised motion. Is there a second on the new revised motion? Commissioner Hatley seconds. I'll second. Yes. Commissioner Hadley seconds the revised motion using the words recommend approval and the conditions of regarding the fence. All those in favor of the motion to recommend approval for this homebased daycare with the conditions stated, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Congratulations, Miss Griffith. The recommended approval will go forward now to the Board of Appeals from the Planning Commission. Thank you. Thank you. Our next order of business, and I'm going to try to move rather quickly tonight because we do have a full agenda. So, apologies up front if I do get a bit fast here. We're going to now have the introduction and discussion of the Hair Impressions Boutique Edition. Um, and so the applicant um, uh, is it Miss Diana? Deanna. Deanna Clever. Deanna. Thank you. And your representative? I'm Mike Taylor, the architect working with Very good. Welcome to you both here. And we'll begin with the staff report regarding your application. Yeah. Thank you. Uh again, this is 102 East Ridgeville Boulevard, Hair Impressions. They're trying to do a b boutique edition. Uh the zoning is community commercial. The existing use is a hair salon.

Um again, they did submit this proposal. Uh we were running it through a different process than a complete amended site plan because the um the addition is going on to uh an existing imperous area uh and the size of the addition is below any 5,000 square foot disturbance. Uh so again the uh the applicant is proposing a 20 by 8 by 20 foot by 8 foot 8 8 in by 27 in 27 foot singlestory addition to the rear of the building uh which house which just houses their ex existing salon business. The proposed addition uh will also include a handicap ramp, exterior stairs and a covered entrance to the new boutique. Again, there are four handicap parking spaces that'll have to get relocated as part of part of the um renovations. Um the applicant also has contacted the adjoining business uh to the west and has gotten a cross easement uh that should be recorded as part of this um site improvement plan uh prior to any building permit being issued. and staff is recommending uh recommending that you approve the proposed singlestory boutique edition and handicap entrance uh with the following conditions. The applicant will need to apply for all building permits through Carol County and all all permits that may be required uh to meet and then next one is to meet all the requirements state and county and town through the permit process to relocate for existing handicap parking spaces to meet ADA requirements. The exterior finishes and elevations elevations should match that of the

existing and the recording of the cross easement. uh the Carol County Land Records prior to receiving approval from the town for the building permit um and then including any additional planning commission majority recommendations as part of the building permit plan. Great. Yep. And uh so Diana and Mike, is there anything you wish to add that uh you want to highlight from your application that wasn't already mentioned? Uh no, I think Mike, can you pull the mic closer to your mouth? Sorry. Um, you all have seen this already. So, um, what we're trying to do is basically keep it a pretty simple addition, uh, in keeping with the same size and scale of the existing building. Um, it it's basically a open space for boutique retail use. Um, one of the main motivations, and tell me if I'm speaking out of line, but right now there's not a good waiting room area or anything. Um there's a lot of elderly uh clients as well. So having somewhere to sit down is not really provided at this point, right? So the idea of uh getting some of the boutique items into the addition so that there's a seat seating area for people to wait while they're waiting to get served. Um and so knowing that we would have to be taking away parking spaces, we're trying to keep it pretty modest in size. Um the other one of the other issues and I know this from experience is that front door needs uh to be redone and the way we're trying to uh re the front door is pretty much in the same spot but allowing a more uh a better way to get into the front door especially with the winds that come across that property and also providing uh a good truly ADA accessible ramp uh which there is a ramp now but it's kind of steep. I don't actually know if it meets ADA standards. So um providing

that again elderly clients just making a better experience for people. Okay, great. Um and then so the the parking spaces that we are taking out in order to do this obviously the accessible spots would just move down uh accordingly. Gotcha. Okay. Uh turning to the commissioners now for any questions on the on the proposed plan for this addition and its ADA ramp and its signage on the wall that is a part of the ADA. Any questions from the commissioners? Did you have one? Commissioner Bea. Um, so with the taking away of the four handicap spots, are you planning on elongating that sidewalk down to to allow for wheelchairs to get onto the sidewalk? Go to Yeah, that that go back one for me, please. So, you can see there the three handicap spots in red that would be taken away. And then just above that to the top is a sidewalk. There's an existing sidewalk that goes out to the front on that side. I don't think it's used very much, right? Um, but it is the way to get from the parking lot up to the ramp as well. So, we would be extending that down to the new ramp and stair front step space. And then that would be the connecting sidewalk over to the funeral home parking lot as well if there was ever any overflow parking needs for either property. Okay. So, and the um the blue signs I can't are they are they the parking for for Hair Impressions? those blue signs that are in front of the spots. Yeah. From the photos. Those are the Okay. Gotcha. So, you're essentially just taking those first couple spots and everything that will still remain yours and just moves down a little bit. All right. Any other questions from the commissioners? I don't have any questions, but I just

wanted to commend you for the coordination with the adjacent business owner, the funeral home, for coordinating the shared use of both parking lots because um because I I see that as just very good business, small businesses working together on on Ridgeville Boulevard. So, I'm sincere about that. I also commend you for um my understanding is you do have uh senior clients and so your efforts to kind of make uh and accommodate them having an easier entrance an entrance that's now covered I think under the new design is that accurate yeah so on on both accounts designing it I think u it makes wonderful sense with regard to your business um so um is there a motion with I'm sorry is there Any further discussion with regard to this application for an addition and ADA compliant um remodeling for hair impressions? If not, I'll make the motion that the planning commission approve the proposed singlestory boutique edition and handicap entrance edition with the following conditions. The applicant would need to apply for all building permits through Carol County for all permits that may be required to meet all the number two to meet all the requirements of the state, county, and town through the permit process. And just a brief pause here after after we vote on your application, it now goes into the hands of the town zoning admin administrator for the issuance of all permitting, construction, etc. Third, to relocate the four existing handicap parking spots further down um in your lot to meet the ADA requirements. The exterior finishes number four to be uh the exterior finishes and elevations should match the existing building of course. And then finally, record the cross access

easement that you have with the adjacent business uh the funeral home with Carol County land records prior to receiving approval from the town. uh for this building permit. So, get that recorded and then come to John afterwards uh to get the permitting process rolling. Um so, that's a rather lengthy motion. I hope you followed with me. I won't repeat it. Uh is there a second? I'll second. Commissioner Hatley seconds it. Is there any further discussion with regard to the recommendation for I'm sorry, the approval and the conditions behind that approval? Hearing no further discussion. All those in favor of the motion with the conditions expressed, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? The motion for approval is unanimous. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Thank you, Deanna. Mike. The next item on our agenda is the introduction and discussion for the approval of the final site plan stage of the Southside Plaza Medical Services buildings. These are two buildings that are proposed to be located on Southside in the vicinity of Southside Plaza. Um, and if I may, John, um, uh, just for the benefit of the public, because this is a major addition to the town of Mount Ary, located in the general vicinity of where we're also planning a roundabout. Um, this is just to the south of Papa John's Pizza on the end of Southside Plaza. Uh, in that area help helping everybody kind of orient themselves. Um, this is a 1.08 acre proposed commercial development to support a

medical services business to be operated out of two new buildings to be built on two parcels located just south of the Southside Plaza. The two proposed buildings will support doctor's offices and a rehabilitation center for patients with Alzheimer's and dementia. Um, this applicant began their journey by going before the board of appeals on October 3rd of 2023. So, it's been a long journey, hasn't it? So that was to seek a variance and the specific request at that time was for approval to allow one of the two proposed buildings um to exceed the allowable square footage on that parcel. Um the allowable square footage right now is limited to 5,000 square ft. So they went to the board of appeals to get a variance for that restriction. That variance was approved in 2023 and the applicant then began their architectural design and headed next to this planning commission. We first deliberated on it on July 29th of 2024 whereupon the applicant submitted a concept site plan. Being a concept plan, the commissioners had to certify the adequacy of the town's critical public facilities. That's required in code chapter 25-4. And the commissioners granted that certification with three conditions that the town engineer must grant the business final approval of their water and sewer allocation. That's a normal condition. Secondly, the fire and rescue services adequacy statement come from the Mount Airy Volunteer Fire Company and I believe we have that now. Yes, John. Yes. Yeah. So, we do have the certification of adequacy for fire and EMS services from our town volunteer fire

department and uh see that the open space certification uh would be waved and documented and I believe we completed the open space waiver. Great. As a commercial property, that's pro- for I believe for us. That's correct. That's correct. Um, however, at that time in July of 2024, the commissioners deliberated a great deal on the proposed architecture, materials, and exterior colors shown in that concept plan in July of 2024. The concept plan was not approved, pinning the applicant return with improvements to the exterior choices for materials and colors. And simply in a short phrase, the commissioners here wanted to see some different offerings that made the original very white building blend in a little better, have a little more, I think we use the words commissioner harmony with the surrounding businesses and the southside plaza next door. Um, so on September 30th of 2024, the applicant then returned with their revised elevations. Those revisions were approved after lengthy discussion and we reviewed the sighting of the two buildings. Uh the proposed business interests entrance relative to the roundabout that's going in and um we discussed with the town engineer any of those concerns and they were all resolved to my recollection. Which brings us now to this evening. And I'm sorry for the background, but I think it's valuable to kind of state to the public we've been on a long journey to bring this business into harmony. Uh bring it into a much needed medical service, I believe, with our aging uh population and just regionally our aging population. And so that's why we're here. So now I'll shift over to the normal staff report. Uh for anything you wish to add, John? No, I think you did a

great job of summarizing how we got here today. Uh ultimately, um when we did see the last elevations, there was some shading on there that was very difficult to comprehend exactly what was being proposed. These are much cleaner without any shading. You can kind of see the differentiations between the the gray and the light gray u with the the black windows. Again, it does sort of um mirror similar to what the um the medical eye across the street looks like and it also looks like the the old medical center there where Papa John's is uh with the same monotone uh accent colors, etc. So again, the staff um is recommending that the CL planning commission grant final site development plan approval for the site plan for Southside Plaza located at uh 1508 and 1510 South Main Street under the following conditions. Uh that all town and county comments shall be addressed prior before um the town of Mount Area approves any building per permits. The applicant and the town council must agree to a public works agreement. Uh and all the bonding must be received before a building permit is issued for this project. And and the the Mount Air volunteer fire company requires also no parking or standing standing or stopping signs on the south side of the access road uh with a max of 40 feet from each sign. And I can go back to the um back to the plan and sort of show you where we're talking here. So you can kind of see the pointer. So basically basically from the trash enclosure down along this property line here. Uh there should be no parking signs installed. I don't think they're on the sign drawing as they are

currently. They are. They're labeled Oh, sorry for clarification. R seven-1. Okay. I must have missed those. I apologize. So that looks like that 40T. Yeah. Um number four three because again it inhibits the abilities for people to uh have free flowing and also uh restricts the amount of how somebody would be pulling backing out or pulling out of the parking spots. Mhm. And then one of the other comments, the Mount Air volunteer fire company requires uh the fire protection engineer final approval and installation of a sprinkler and stand pipe and fire department connection on the front of the building uh if required. And that's it. Okay. Thank you, John. Um and again, my apologies uh if I could just ask you to introduce yourselves for the record. Ron Ron Thompson, Banmar Associates. With me tonight, Clark Schaefer, attorney for Dr. Rak. Dr. Ke is Oh, there we are. Yep. Well, he was afraid to come up to the table. Welcome all three of you uh especially Dr. Thomasine. So, thank you for coming again tonight and again, it's been a long journey. Uh let's see if we can uh take it home smartly. So, just to comment on the conditions, the uh parking signs are on the plan. We striped in front of the no parking striping and letters on the pavement so the fire department can turn around with an ambulance there. And uh as part of a building permit, uh they would be dealing with um fire protection. the uh nozzle on the

front of the building. We've sized um in our design a larger water line into the utility room so that uh if required, sprinklers could be added, but that's a building permit. When they go through the building permit, they have to work through the fire code with that. So, you're asking not to have that as a part of the I'm just explaining if Okay. it the uh fire protection shouldn't be part of a site plan approval because we've got the elements on there uh for it. It's just a question of um when they go through their AR detailed architectural plans, their plumbing and uh everything that will be part of fire protection representative for Carol County will be reviewing those plans. Okay. along with the building department and we show you'll see on each of the buildings they have what's called a FDC which is the fire department connection so fire department can pull up and run their pumper trucks if need be for additional protection saying is that we believe that we've designed the site to meet or exceed requirements that we anticipate will be imposed as part of the building permit review by the uh public by the fire company. Okay. And my apologies to the other commissioners for jumping in with a question here, but all the all the elements of your plans that pertain specifically to fire suppression and water for fire suppression. Those were in the plans that were reviewed by the Mount Air Volunteer Fire Company. That's correct. Okay. So they saw all of this already. I just wanted to make sure that their

certification of adequacy was in fact based upon the facts that you just went over. So good. I just wanted to these are re in response to some of their comments when the adequacy add this add this which we did. Beautiful. Okay. Any other points you wish to emphasize in addition to the staff report? Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Uh, commissioners, any questions with regard to this plan? Commissioner Ali, you'll be next. Um, just a comment and then then a question. Um, so our design guidelines, um, it says this type of property should actually have a brick exterior. The only place where we have used EFS in the design guidelines is in industrial zoned areas. We brought this to us a couple times and we've come back and given you feedback and we said add some masonry, add some brick to the building. We didn't say make the whole thing out of it, but we've mentioned it twice to you guys. And he came back once again and it's completely made out of EES again. Why? That quite frank I think uh brick is supposed to be in the downtown zone. We're not in the downtown zone. Not according to design guidelines. And when I read, unless I've missed it in the design guidelines, I believe that we're compliant with the design guidelines and we're matching what's on the adjacent buildings there. Uh so that we worked with the town planner to to adjust our plan. And we told you twice from the planning commission that we wanted to see some type of masonry or brick work on the building. Not the whole thing, but just some. And that was twice from this commission. This this is our design. Okay. Any other questions? Commissioner Wallace, I concur with Commissioner

Omali on that. Okay. Any other questions? I I have a technical question, I guess. So what we were just talking about does that mean if we were to make the motion we strike number three or no we can strike three and four ultimately again when I was doing the staff report they were still comments in their their plan. So, if the engineer is stating that they've, you know, the design supports that and I missed it on my review and they missed it on their review, um, I think three and four could get strike. Okay. Thank you. Correct. Any other questions? I have one more comment. Commissioner Wallace, I just want to point out that again, this is coming into the town. This will be the first building that people see on the lefthand side right when you're coming in. And so to me, and also across the street, if you want to talk about the surrounding buildings across the street, the eye office does have brick on it. Um, most buildings in town again, they'll have some stucco, but there's usually a mixture of stone, stucco, brick, something like that to soften it. And again, we did mention that multiple times. So, because this is the first thing you see when you come into town, I just think that the starkness of it um needs to be addressed. [Music] Any other questions? I Yeah, Council Member Kelly. I um a quick question. I think we're John. Um I seen a staff report. Excuse me. I seen the staff report. Uh there were no there are no um actions right now as far as traffic flow, that sort of thing. The um coming from streets and roads, right? The uh so there were there uh there's been discussion about this trying just

trying to make it you know uh integrate as smoothly as possible into the existing area. My question really is uh once this once once the site is developed and it's in and if changes have to be made to parking at the front or signs, you know, maybe it's right turn only or or just anything are are there um what are the mechanisms in place to make those changes after everything's finalized? So, in the staff report on page two, the last paragraph basically says uh there were concerns that were brought up uh from the streets and road and our mount police department. Uh it basically states uh concerns about the necessity of this site uh development plan to only have a right in right out instead of a full movement. We're not required by the town engineer engineering department or our traffic consultant. Uh if in the future due to public or traffic safeties, uh the town will work with the property owner and the engineer of record uh at the owner's expense to determine how these uh will be facilitated and addressed. So I did put in the staff report that if there if this becomes a problem, there's multiple full movement properties right adjacent to this and there's not a major concern. So I don't know why uh we would penalize this person for that. Okay. No. Well, it's not really penalty. It's more for safety. But I'm so I'm just ask it would be in reaction. There's really no there's no 3 6 12 month re-evaluation of things built in. No. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Walls. Um question on building B. Um why is the the panel on the left side

of the roof one height and on the other side there is no panel. If so if you look at south elevation of building B I I think they have a panel up there to hide uh mechanical equipment. Okay. But on the other building it's symmetrical. And so I was just wondering why on building B it was not. Um, I mean, it's just a little bit different. It's the way the architect designed it is all I can say. Any other questions? Uh, I have a question with regard to um the plans uh proposed screening and privacy with respect to the Rising Ridge residents and homes. uh just to the back of this parcel and to the back of building B. Um I can see in the plan that there is a fully enclosed 8-foot PVC privacy fence. I believe is part of that uh I'll use the term screening or privacy. I believe Commissioner Opali in previous discussions also emphasize the need for some vegetative screening trees etc. So, could you just kind of elaborate on that for the benefit of the Rising Ridge residents? We did add uh before I think we just had the fence the first time we came through here and we added a a very substantial planting plan along the fence. I think they're called um emerald greens. Okay. Native plants. And then we have a very substantial planting plan along lot 47 uh which are

uh those are um eastern red eastern red cedar right we went and we had the discussion that we had well we try to work that we always have native species right but we had the discussion with the planning commission that because of the white PVC, we had to have something very compact. Otherwise, you'll be pushing out the fence before it's all said and done. So, that's why you have that along that row back there. Okay. And and to the south, u I'm going to use the phrase to the parking lot side, I believe the two adjacent residents there are, uh zoned uh limited commercial, if I'm correct, that's correct. And those uh homes are currently, I believe, rented or the there there are residents in them. Residential use. Yes. Right. And so you've got I did I hear you say you have a rather abundant screening for their Look, we have sugar maples going in all along. Okay. That property line. But no fence. No fence. Nothing was asked for. It was asked because it's zoned residential in the rear. That's why the fence is there. I am. Okay. And that's never gonna change. And LC to the south. Gotcha. Okay. By the way, if if if memory serves, Clark, can you grab the microphone so the so people can hear? This is Clark Schaefer. If memory serves, uh, that property owner showed up at the BCA hearing and indicated support for the project. That's correct. Yep. Right. Uh, those are my only questions. again um any alibis with regard to the commissioner's questioning then I'll entertain a motion with respect to this application for

the final plan concept site development plan for Southside Plaza. Do I hear a motion? I'll make a motion. Commissioner Ali, I'll make a motion regarding the Southside Plaza S2200037 that we disapprove the current plan in its state until it changes uh in the plans when we talked about the building material specific to the change of the materials from EFS to uh more uh to all brick or to some brick to some to some brick. I've modified your motion. Is it accepted? Accept. Um, is there a second to that motion? I'll second. Commissioner Walls seconds that motion. Any discussion with regard to the motion? This is a motion for disapproval with a condition that there be a change in the materials uh with some addition of brick. Commissioner Hadley, I have a quick question. When you say some addition, could we be clear? Do you do we need to be more precise with the requirement? I mean, I mean, that's a question for Tom. No. Okay. Yeah, it it Yeah, I understand. I understand the discussion question because it seems rather subjective right now, Commissioner Ali, if or Commissioner Wallace um motioner and second or is there any more specifics you could add with respect to I believe you is it masonry or brick or are they synonymous? I we can we can go with brick then. Um and I would say I don't like to put numbers on it and really leave it up to the architect, but Okay. Just Excuse me. I can't understand what you're saying. I would say I really don't want to put numbers on it, but we wanted to leave it up to the architect, but it needs to have some brick designed into it. I'd say at least

30%. That's Wow. 25 30% on the exterior. Okay. So, the motion now has been amended further uh to include the condition that the elevations um replace if and and I'm kind of asking a question here, Commissioner M, that we replace the um current amount of EIFS panels with approximately 30% brick. I would say at least 25%. Okay. 25% brick. Um, if is that revision acceptable in your motion? Is there a second to that revision? The revision is that we're going to replace some of the proposed EIFS panels with a least or approximately, let me use that word, with approximately 25% at least at least 25% brick. Is there a second to that revision? Can I recommend an amendment? um whenever it's procedurally appropriate. Um so let me this is where Tom gives me the hard look. So I did a revision on the mend. Once it's seconded then I can open that new motion to further discussion and you can introduce an amendment. And I think we're up to three amendments now. So do I have a second on the revision that I just stated and then I'll open for discussion and an amendment? I'll second. Okay. Okay, Commissioner Wallace uh seconds the second revision. Open for discussion and further amendment. Commissioner Wallace, my recommendation is to go to the original which was to not specify percentage. I think that should be up to the architect. All we were asking for was to follow the town design guidelines. And I don't think we should be specifying percentage because I think that there are many things that can be done on a

building that can soften it without having to take up, you know, a quarter of it plus. So I I think that following the design guidelines would be appropriate. Okay. So, uh, Commissioner Wallace has further revised the current motion to change the words that the, and help me on this, guys, I'm tracking with you. that we recommend disapproval uh under the condition that the architect and the applicant replace the EFS panels. Ralph, no. I don't want to say I don't want to say that replacing the EIFS panels because that's the primary structure of the building or the facade of the building and you can put brick, stone, etc. facades on top of that. Okay. So, I don't want to put I don't want to get into the technical details of replacing stucco. I just think that there needs to be an element of brick, okay, or some of some sort of brick or stone to soften that exterior. Okay. Along with the EFS along with it, it's the the building is primarily EFS to begin with. So, it's going to have that the majority of it is going to be that. So disapproved with the condition that the architect resubmit a design that has some element of brick or stone or something that follows the town's design guidelines. Okay. Need a second on the amendment. And he second his own thing or No. Um um that's wrong. Do you accept the amendment? That's where I am. I do. That was Okay. Yeah. You're the motioner. So, uh, you accept the amendment. Is there a second on the amendment from Commissioner Wallace?

If there's no second, then it goes back to the previous motion. Can I second my own amendment? No. Oh, no. Okay. I'm just trying to keep track of everything. So, I am too. Okay. We're back to brick, stone, but no number. Yeah. So, where we were with the motion is that uh Commissioner Ali um asked that the design now come back to us with at least 25% brick added into the design. Is that correct? That we modified it. Right. Right. I'm saying that was your original. Then the percentage amount was amended or recommended uh change to not have a specific amount but that for the elevation to follow the design guidelines with some brick added in to the building design. That's correct. So that's the amendment. You accepted that into the new revised motion. I now need a second on that revised motion. Is there a second on that revision from Commissioner Wallace that was accepted by Commissioner Omali? If there's no second on that revision from Commissioner Wallace, we revert back to the motion that was seconded, which is a 25% roughly component of brick added into the new architecture. Is there a second on the amendment from Commissioner Walls? Hearing none, we are back to the motion which is on the table of we have a mix of at least 25% brick added into the design of the building. And that was seconded. And so any further discussion? Just a minute. Any further discussion? Okay. Hearing none. The

motion is, and Commissioner Ali, check me if I get this wrong. Commissioner Omali has a motion that is going to recommend disapproval of the concept final plan for concept site development plan for Southside Plaza file S22 00037 with a condition that they return with designs that have at least 25% brick added to the exterior. point of order before you vote. Um, I'm sorry you can't call a point of order. I'll let the attorney call. Um, wait, maybe May we be heard before you vote. Um, I want to get through this motion, Mr. Schaefer. Um, because it's kind of doing flips. Um, so I'm not sure you're consistent with the code. That's why we want to talk about it. So I understand, right? But a point of order can only be called by these commissioners. Please. So that motion is now rephrased. All those in favor of that motion, please signify by saying I. I need a voice. I. All those opposed to the motion that I just read signify by nay. Nay. Nay. Nay. We did not have the motion passed. We are now back to the beginning which is I will now entertain any other motion with respect to this application. Um yeah we start over that we we are indeed starting over. We need to start over on this one. So again is there a motion with respect to this application? Well I have a question for Tom real quick. Do we have to do a motion or or should we because there's been a lot of

back and a motion hasn't been made and I'll open the deis here for further discussion. Okay. Because I'm just wondering do they need to say what they need to say to before we make another. It's up to me. It's sorry. It's up to me. Sorry. Yeah. Um, so any discussion with regard to I it appears that the commissioners have uh potential or possible issues with regard to this revised elevation and colors and material if if I'm capturing it right. Um, is there a need for further discussion? Well, I just had a quick question in my head. Because we were talking about this and we're talking about the design guidelines and we're talking about how this is the first building you see in the room and it had been requested before and it's if people don't start paying attention to the things that we talk about then they'll say well that building looks like this and this building looks like this and it just kind of creates this domino effect. So we want to be respectful with what we're trying to protect for the look of the town at the same time um that we're moving forward with plans. So, how you know what's Can you pull your mic just a little closer? Sorry, you keep having to tell us that all night. I'm sorry. Um, so how do we move forward being respectful to what we've requested several times and the plans in front of us and Sure. you know, I'm just seeking clarification. Sure. And and and if I can if I can keep us moving by saying I totally agree with Commissioner Wallace saying this is at uh one of the doorsteps of the entry into our town um by way of its location. Um its location is also accompanied by existing buildings in the commercial zone, Southside Plaza, the uh business across

the street. um those sorts of approximate neighbors and their designs. Um I do uh John, I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you know, again, we've gone on a long road of this. Um in and I guess I'm just asking for fact, not opinion here. Did we or did we not um at the last meeting ask for simple did did we did we impose a masonry and brick composition or element within the design or did we seem content with the EIFS panels and was it only the colors that had issue and again I'm just going by memory I don't have the staff reports in front of me or the minutes um I know initially uh the building came in and there is a very white bland building. Um, and so I think the request was to have some additional color. There was communications about some form of masonry. I don't know if we ever agreed to that finally when they left. Uh, I can't remember that exactly. Okay. Um, but I know that the intentions were to create uh it looks like Ron might have some minutes or something in front of you. I don't know. Um but again I will yeah I will ask for Ron to speak but let me just make one more thing. I do recall that we also had an issue with what seemed to be rather distinctive window trim or surroundings that we opposed because it just didn't look good. Um am I tracking on that particular element that we asked for them to remove? Well, I think it was the shading was the part. The shading when you had shading in there, it kind of changed the colors of some of the different materials. And again, I know

that um like even on the back side of building A, the north elevation, lower left hand side, middle um that you couldn't really see that the different tones in the um the paneling where this is more um you know, it shows some differentiations between the two panels, but I can't remember exactly what the outcome of that. And and and Mr. Thompson, Mr. Schaefer, be patient with me here. I'm I'm trying to put a really good wire brush to this so we can, you know, get to a conclusion here. And I believe in our color discussion last time, July of 24, we also stressed that the colors had to be in harmony with those adjacent buildings. Correct. To get away from the the stark white. Correct. Correct. Okay. And in in in the town administrator zoning administrator's estimation, do these new colors um I won't use the word match because that's always hard and subjective. Are these colors being proposed here tonight closer to those adjacent businesses? I would say that these are closer to the the eye medical center across the street. Again, the applicant for the old or the um the Southside Medical Center that was existing, they repainted it just recently. I think initially it was a grayish color and now it's more of a tan color or tan and brown. Um so again, I I feel like it is close to the medical eye and the and the gas station on the corner. Okay. Um and and and the building that houses Papa John's and so forth. Yeah. Yeah, that's on that same side. Yeah, that again is sort of a sand color or beige, I guess. Okay. With a brown accent, but again, it's approximate to this color. Yes. Okay.

All right. Close to like pastelish, right? I guess. Okay. Um, so as promised, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Schaefer, some points. Yes. Thank you. Um we believe we have uh moved toward if not satisfied the brick situation. Now brick is an all or nothing. There's no brick. You want some people want brick. Okay. Um I think it's important to recognize that when uh a government is imposing or requiring conditions uh for a development in in their town. that the things that they're requiring need to be reasonably related to the health, safety, and welfare of the community. And this has been a long time. I' I've been doing this for a while and I've thought about this issue a lot. and things like traffic and sight distance and setbacks and things that are in the ordinance are very clearly related to the health, safety, welfare. You don't meet sight distance, you got accident problems. Uh you don't meet setbacks, you violated the setback, you're too close to your neighbor. You know, those kind of things. But I think you're and I hope I'd suggest to you that the discussion that that just took place up here is illustrative of the difficulty of defining these aesthetic uh requirements. You think it looks not

good enough? We think it looks good enough. Uh, my client's going to invest millions and millions of dollars to build this. He's going to try to make money from it. He's going to have people come to it. He's wants to have and is investing uh in having a firstass operation. And I think you've heard that before. This is going to be a neuroscience with clinic. It's going to provide a lot of of good things. He doesn't want to have a bad looking building or one where people will not want to come. Uh but when you get down to these things like aesthetic, it's it's a matter of taste. Now, I get it. if we were just going to put up a, you know, a concrete building with no windows and no awnings or anything like that. But to me, if there's a close call, at least I ar I argue to you that if this is a close call, it should go to the to the developer. uh because there's no I'm I'm not hearing any hard and fast evidence if you will that this is going to be bad and going to prevent bad have have bad effects. So uh um we think that we have moved uh made a movement toward uh mean and by the way the design guidelines I'm I'm not I don't I don't believe they're part of the ordinance. I think they're just a general guideline for things to look at. It doesn't say you can't approve a building that doesn't have brick on it. Um it says that in the downtown area because of the pre prevalence of brick and I'm sure it it is and as you said in your last in your concept plan review because I just

looked at the minutes Ron had you said you know this depends on the neighborhood and you know you got to look at the context of these things. Um, we believe that and now if this was downtown across the street from this building, uh, I'd probably be singing a different tune. Um, but, uh, we think it does meet the requirements and we appreciate your consideration. Okay. Of that. Thank you, Mr. Schaefer. for clarity. You opened with saying you you're going to meet the requirements for the brick. And I may have misheard, but I don't think you are stating now you're going to change the design to include Brooke. I misspoke if I said that. We or my misunderstanding. This is our proposal. This is your proposal. We believe it has moved. Okay. Uh in a good direction and it it meets whatever your minimum requirement are to the extent that we can discern what your minimum requirement. And and to another comment you made and I just I just have to say this because we're responsible to the town and that is I would I would modify your statement as to it falls on the developer. I I honestly believe um that accountability for bad choices of our building designs, colors, etc. falls on this planning commission. And so it's it's no doubt falls on you, but that's why we're having this discussion here tonight because I think the good citizens us expect us to apply as good aesthetics as we can with any design. I mean, is that fair? So I get that. Yes. Yeah. So you know, again, I'm not trying to cross swords. I'm just trying to add to the rationale as to why we're having such a rich discussion here tonight because we want to get it right the first time as best we can given the surrounding build buildings given the surrounding businesses materials colors

etc. And I keep going back. We've had a long discussion and journey on this, right? And so we're we're we're trying to understand what is this final product going to be? And as expressed by some commissioners, there's an element of brick which is a bit and I'll and I'll say in my own words, brick is kind of a signature of the small town community, you know, traditional construction versus um plain EFIS panels in a more modern contemporary design. It's historic uh in most towns. EFS. It's historic. No, brick. Oh, yes. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I thought you were arguing for the Yeah. Yeah. So, you're you're kind of arguing for the brick uh element in downtown and I'm I'm in Westminster and I I just did the you know, a guy bought a building in Westminster across the street from the old from where the city offices are. Understood. And it's brick. It's undeniable. And he wanted to paint and he wanted to paint it and some people said, "You don't paint it." Um, and so I get the and they said, "Hey, there's other brick buildings." And they ended up letting them paint it. But, uh, um, I get I get I understand, uh, the town's interest. I don't mean to say that. I do not understand the town's interest in having a nicel lookinging and and not letting people put in developments that are going to be and and when you're talking about ugly, whatever that means. I understand. Okay, Mr. Thompson, quick. Um, if you could I'll just be quick. When I go through in doing a design, I look at the I look at the site plan requirements in the town code and I follow those. Uh, two things. We met with the town planner, the owner,

and the architect to work out a softening of the white and what you see here today. We're not an MXD MXU where we do a pattern book and you comment on the architecture. Okay, that's actually not an element of site plan approval. We think that we have gone and worked with the town to do this. Now, in terms of everybody talks about this is the viewpoint coming in, the viewpoint coming into the town of Mount Ary, Chick-fil-A, McDonald's, a commercial center. Then you get to our building, you get to the eye doctor, and then you get to the gas station. So, right, we think that we are matching into it, and that's what your staff um which you approved for the meeting minutes, that we match the surrounding character, right, of the neighborhood. We think that we have done that and all that we're simply asking is that we have site plan approval. To move this important project forward for the seniors in the town of Monterey. Can I can I say one thing, Ralph? Sure. Sure, John. So, if you look at the um landscape plan, u again, it has very little road frontage in comparison to the depth of the the lot. And if you look at it, it it does have trees in in front of it, trees to the south side of it. Um and again, you have this other this is that Comcast parcel that we did a surround around around that correct control center. This has vegetation all along this as well. So the the buildings itself are going to be somewhat shielded from most all directions. Uh again you have a very small road frontage that accesses it access the property and again there will be some again they aren't evergreens but they are um deciduous trees along the front of the property sort of shielding the building. Understood John. And John I have a question for you and if Mr. Quinn needs to chirp up then you're certainly welcome also and that is a

quick simple question. Immediately to the north of this proposed site is Southside Plaza Papa John's etc. Correct. That's correct. I've asked you already if the proposed colors of this two building proposal are close to I think the answer was yes. Yes. Is there any My question is, is there any brick or masonry component of the Southside Plaza shopping area immediately to its north? It is made with splitfaced CMU block. So, it is a block building. So, it's basically a cinder block building that has a split face. So, it's a rough textured to that structure. Right. So, I'm going to shift back to Commissioner Ali and Commissioner Wall. Is that what you're speaking of? that type of material? I don't think so. That wasn't It was some type of masonry or veneer or something like that. And I would like to point out that McDonald's and Chick-fil-A are brick. Yeah. Yeah. When you were talking about all the commercial buildings, okay, that are surrounding it, they're all solid brick. Okay. Um but I get what you're saying, John. the as the trees mature, there's going to be a lot of greenery sort of I guess not hiding the building, but because people need to see where it is to go in, but it's gonna there's a lot more greenery than the other ones. I I think part of it is too that is all new buildings, our design guidelines, they're supposed to be it's not just downtown zone. They're supposed to be brick in a commercial zone. This is commercial zone. So, we're recommending it. We weren't even telling them that a whole thing has to be brick. We're saying some of it has to be masonry. So, we're trying to give them some leeway. And the fact that we've asked them multiple times to do something and they came back and did nothing shows the respect for this commission.

Okay. Uh I I object to that comment and I will object loudly. If I'm out of order, I'm out of order. But we met and met with the town representatives and worked on this. To tell me that is disrespectful and untruthful. Okay. Mr. Thompson, we just haven't been back to you in between. Now, maybe that's I mean, I guess we could have asked for a special meeting or something uh to review architecturals. Okay. But we did we thought so we just haven't been back to you. It's not that we haven't been back and we did respond to your comments, but as you point out, we you said brick and we we don't have brick. There's that's that's true. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Schaefer. So, um so where are we right now? And where we are right now is we have a proposed concept plan for this development. We have entertained motions that have been seconded. It's actually the final plan. I'm sorry, final plan. Thank you. Um and we have had motions. We've had minute motions, revised motion. It appears that the central issue here is the composition of the building. I'm going to just keep it simple. Okay. If there is no motion with respect to the proposed plan tonight or there is a motion that is not seconded, then this agenda item is tabled. Correct. It's not approved. It's not approved. That doesn't mean it can't come back. Understood. Right. Forever disapprove. That is correct. It's neither. It's no action taken. It's it's no action taken. That is correct. I should not have used the word tabled. Um and I'm not saying that that is

what's going to occur. But if that were to occur, then I think it would be fair to say that John, you would get with the applicant if the applicant so chooses to see if there would be a feasible adjustment to the elevations and materials. Would that be accurate? I guess so. Okay. Yes. Uh Tom, any issue there? Is that fair? Okay. So, again, I think it's been a rich discussion. I I think the commissioners here have had this discussion because they harbor a genuine concern for the aesthetics at this location at one of the entrances to our town. Is that fair? Okay. So with that and with your knowledge of what the issue is on this deis, I wake make one more attempt for a motion regarding approval or disapproval of this final plan. Do I hear a motion? Wait, hang on one second. Was there a question? Yes. Do you do you mind if I comment? No, not at all. No motion's been made. So I I am letting it go freely. How tall does a sugar maple grow? Does anybody know the how how high a sugar maple grows tree? I don't know. It says here in very very tall maybe 40 foot with a 20 foot umbrella maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. So, so 15 to 20 feet. I was saying more than that. I was thinking Okay. It's Would you Would you say that a fully grown sugar maple tree would almost hide this building completely? I would talk to Ron Thompson. He might know better. He's Okay. Sugar maples can grow anywhere from 30 to 50 ft in height. Okay. And you're planting them between this uh

between the Dreaming Tree LLC property and the parking lot and the building, right? Yes. Yeah. I I remember the discussion that we had about the facade of the building. I believe there was a a a talk about masonry, you know, the the the stuff you you you glue onto the side of the building makes it look pretty. Um I believe that we had some chat about that. I believe it probably in a meeting somewhere some sometime. Um I also had a question about the panels on the building. And if I'm not mistaken, that material has a like a like a a rough stone type finish to it when it's on and completed. Right. Not necessarily kind of like a stucco, but it has a rough roughness to it like it you scratch your hands up if you ran your hands against it. Is that right? It it would be a stucco similar to split block only you just don't see the lines of a block. Yeah. You just don't see the lines of a block. is just you see these this panel that could be essentially just one solid piece or it could be you know a beveled line broke into it so it looks like something like stone right but it's also meant to last as long as stone but it's a little less expensive of a material because the doctor's making you know a multi-million dollar investment in our town something that this town really needs so I With the facade in mind, how can we get to the parking lot on this one with something that looks like stone but yet isn't? Oh, I see what you're saying. It's like a mason. I'm saying we have trees are going to grow as almost as tall as the building, right? And we're going to have something that looks like stone, but it's not stone. But we've had the colors matched to the adjoining properties of the mount and the Papa John's. And then

we have the eye care center which is obviously just it's just weird you know um I don't agree with it in how it matches the town at all but nonetheless it's there right so but we have this building the two of them that fits squarely in the footprint of this I this property here we have it treelined we have it buffered from Rising Ridge we have all of the things met to allow this plan to at least move to the next phase but we're stuck on bricks that either 20 or 35% or whatever or nothing that they have to add to it. So, how do we take the concept from these panels that look like brick and make them look more like brick so it appeases this particular I think I have an answer to that. you know that we could actually put in some type of a scabbard or some type of uh relief in these panels flat panel. It's a That's right. It looks like marble or something that it has like two by or 3x5, you know, notches inside the the um finish. Right. Exactly. would create that kind of really it almost looks if you look at the uh building a at the top and I can zoom in but I don't know if we're going to be able to see it but you can see that like with the finished floor line there or top of ceiling it kind of divides the P panels up a little bit like above the window it's divided in two you know I think having those architectural relief lines might simulate that somewhat if that's what you're trying to get to. Yeah. It's just on a drawing like that. Yeah, we can we can agree to that. Okay. Now, that being, you know, I I think I understand what that is, but uh and I think you do, right? What they're talking about there. I don't I don't understand what you're talking about.

Well, Commissioner Wallace, I don't understand what we're agreeing to at the So, better to paint you a picture and get you in the parking lot with all of us. So, this building looks like a plain flatsided nothingness with windows arched in it, right? The panels that they use to put this together can be etched to make it look like there's brick or stone or whatever we want it to be in a beveled format so it looks like it's bricks. Right. I think that's sort of what I was referring to earlier when I was talking about you can add facades but again I would leave that to the architect to to right. With this the way that it is, you can add an additional look to it the way it is so that it looks like brick. So, we can add that as a condition of approval. Yeah, we can add it as a condition of approval. And uh you know, six months out of the year, you're not even going to see the building once the maples are grown. You you can actually see in the architectural plan score lines of the panels. They're not it's not a flat right uniform surface if you look on they've got lines dividing them up over windows and everything else in there. So kind of you can see you can see a line here but I think what Mr. Beer is talking about is, you know, we have a rectangle here. Maybe there should be, you know, additional relief lines in the larger panels. Instead of one every 8 ft, maybe they need to be every 3 feet or 4 feet, creating almost like a a cinder blocky beveled edge, right? Does that make sense? So it looks like cinder blocks. So it looks like we're doing we're doing brick, but we're not. But it looks like we are. Yeah, that's a question. And that's an architectural question. So is that

feasible and doable to get that appearance? I I believe and that's a civil engineer that watches buildings but that when people put um there are two ways of attaining a brick-l lookinging type stone I don't use the word brick brick a stone looking is um you can either just have stone in front of attached to the panels or when They spray with the stuckle then they etch in a pattern that looks like and when you type of stone and and simply because I'm Joe Tempe when you say etch there is a relief there is a score that's what I mean is the panel got a line in or I should say like mortar joint mortar joint line yeah they're basically fake joints Correct. Okay, Ralph. I think either way I I don't think we're going to solve it here. I think it would require another Yeah, I'm getting there. Yeah, I'm getting there. Um, so there's the potential for moving forward, but I would only be comfortable without establishing a quorum to join John and looking over the revised plan showing this modification to meet a brick or mortar like appearance. John, and I'm just being straight up. Would it be appropriate that at least two of the commissioners join you in the review of whatever may be revised to show that new elevation,

new facade, would that be amunable to you as a zoning administrator? Yeah. I mean, that that whatever you choose for me to do, if that's what you want and Okay. Unless you wanted to come back to the commission and again, just the elevations either way. Yeah. that would that would essentially be my request is is is more eyes on the target because of how rich this discussion is and how the concern is very high as to how that final building looks. So, do the commissioners track with what I'm applying here? Um because once I shouldn't be presumptive, if it goes past our approval, it's in your hands. Correct. and in your hands mean any plan revisions in accordance with this discussion. And I'm simply adding that we could invite at least to no more not right that's a quorum that would be inappropriate but at least two we could go to three you could throw me in that bag. Okay. Um, I know of two right now that would be ideal to look that over with you on that review. Um, and so to Mr. Schaefer and Mr. Thompson, um, I'm I'm I'm trying to get the lemonade out of lemons here. If you follow what I'm trying to say, I think I I do that. I'm hoping that we're going to go to a final site plan approval. I'll just speak to myself. a final site plan approval with a condition that the final architecture be reviewed by the town planner and uh number of planning commission members to be uh settled and then incorporated in the record drawings. I'm I'm crafting the words in my cranium right now. Mr. Schaefer, please keep it short.

Yeah. If it were me words smithing it, I would say the architectural drawings will be revised to reflect some brick/stone accents via scoring and then will be submitted to the to the town zoning administrator who will consult with as you know whatever you're as as part of the review. I I like your words, but I'm into the end result, not so much how you do it. I think the emphasis here is how it finally looks and what is um engineering wisdom to accomplish that look is up to you. So I I'm not into specifying scoring. I'm not as specifying do it a certain way. I am emphasizing based on this discussion the final revised plan appearance. Is that fair? That works. That works. Okay. Okay. So, um do I hear a motion? If not, I will make a motion that the planning commission grant final site development plan approval of the site plan for Southside Plaza located at 1508 and 1510 South Main Street under the following conditions. that the applicant resubmit their development plan showing revised elevations that portray a bricklike appearance on the current EIFS panels.

And when submitted to the town zoning administrator, he will be joined by three commissioners to review that revised plan. When you say plan, you're meaning elevations, right? I'm sorry. Yes. I mean the elevations that we are suspended oppose that amendment. That's all. Okay. I accept that amendment. Um when that group, the zoning administrator and three commissioners uh review those revised elevations for that specific effect. New effect. For that specific new effect. Do I have a second on that? Um well, we're not going to do those until they get past the design. Yeah. So, John, we don't need to add any of the permitting because everything else flows from acceptance of the revised plan. So, I don't need to put those conditions in the motion, do I? Uh, yes, you would because it wouldn't be coming back in front of you guys. Okay. So, that was the first condition that I just stated. Second condition, all town and county agency comments shall be addressed before the town of Mount Area approves any building permit. Third condition, the applicant and the town council must agree to a public works agreement and all bonding must be received before a building permit is issued for this project. Thank you for the catch. So, three conditions. Um, do I have a second on that rather extensive motion and the three conditions stated? I'll second. Commissioner Bea seconds that motion. Um, Miss Clinton, I want to pause with great respect because you have been following uh up, down, sideways, and so forth. Um,

not to be facitious, are you clear on the motion and the conditions? Yes. Fantastic. Um, all those in favor of the motion that has been made with the conditions and seconded, please uh show your approval by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, the motion and its conditions are passed unanimously. Thank you very much for this discussion. Uh Mr. Schaefer and Mr. Thompson and and doctor, thank you. And gentlemen, we're just trying to get it right for the citizens here. So, thank you for working with us on it. Reminds me of the United States Supreme Court's uh response to the pornography question, which was Thank you, Mr. Schaefer. Thank you, Mr. Schaefer. Great tie by the way. Just wanted to say that the tie and thank you. Have a have a have a great evening. I am now moving to item I am now moving to item number eight on the agenda which is introduction and discussion for possible approval of the concept site plan um for the Kingsports Construction LLC request. This is documented as uh S-22-000036. This pertains to the uh approval of the concept site development plan to be located at lot 15C of the Twin Arch Business Park. The address is 2310 Back Acre Circle. And so I believe representing the applicant again, Mr. Thompson. Correct. Welcome again. Uh, anyone else joining you from the We are John and Christina King the owners of the property. Mr. Mrs. King, thank you for coming tonight. Either one of you if you like are welcome to join or or you are fine there. After last after the

previous discussion, I think you think he wants to come sit down after you. Um, again, sincere welcome and and if you do choose to speak, you're welcome to go to the boom mic if it is on. I'm not sure. Or or come to the table. should still be on. Gotcha. Um, now zipping right along. Uh, John, have you got time for the staff report very quickly? Yeah, no worries. Um, again, this is in front of you for concept site plan approval for lot 15 C, which is a Let me switch to that as well here. One second. Here we go. So again, this is uh Twin Arch Business Park, lot 15C. Uh this parcel initially was 15 acres. Portions of it have been subdivided off in many different directions. As part of this subdivision, they're uh in the future, if this concept plan gets approved, they'll be working towards deeding a seven plus acre parcel to the town of Manary for open space, uh excluding the pond. But but this part this this portion of lot 15C is showing a flex um office building space that's being proposed with new movement uh and new pavement around the whole facility and additional parking to support the flex use space um that's being proposed currently. Uh this building here has been erected. This is the one that you might might remember that came in front of you guys um where they had demolished a building. They had to initiate a site plan uh to be allowed to erect the building that the steel was currently on the ground. This is that building that was required for them to move forward

with which allowed them to erect that um uh warehouse building on the lot 15C or I guess it was 15A at that point in time. Again, it is S22-000036. It's a site development plan. Again, this is the parcel for 15C is 6.999 acres. Um, this parcel currently does have a um turf recycling uh approved business that's operating out of this lower building currently. uh and and the applicant is using the site uh for that purpose in compliance with the board of appeals cases case that they they uh received approval for. There was also an above ground fuel storage se uh uh tank area that was also approved by the town. Again, the um the applicant is requesting a concept plan approval uh for the multi-use building that they're erecting on the property. There were existing structures on the property that are being reused currently for the um turf recycling business. Uh if you remember also we had a monument sign and an entrance sign for the business King Sports with a a plaque honoring the late um Docfull at the entrance of the u new new proposed building. And again this is a industrially zoned lot. Uh it has received all the um APFO certifications. Uh I did receive um the one from the pending from the fire and rescue. We did receive an adequate facility um certification and I

have copies of that if you need to see them. Uh so that that came in. Um um again we got the final copy in last week. So uh it was my fault. I think it was on my desk somewhere that I didn't give it to Deborah to file. So um I did find that. So again all they've meet all the APFO requirements um ultimately. So again, the staff is recommending uh approval of the or granting a conditional approval of the concept site development plan for lot 15C, Twin Arch Business Park, section 4 for King Sports Construction with the following five conditions of approval. Uh that all town and county comments are addressed before final approval is granted or any grading permit is approved or signed off by the town staff. providing second uh providing all legal documents, easements, PWA and bonding before any grading or uh permit building permit is approved. All related materials to the recycling of the turf field shall be stored uh in waterproof bags and under cover from exposure to weather. The understanding that there's no residential uses allowed on this parcel. uh that all existing well, septic systems must be abandoned, kept, and inspected by the Carol County Health Department providing the town of Mount Ary with the report of a licensed well driller of and the Carol County Health Department. Uh the owner must provide the town with the phase and again this is part of the subdivision uh which will be coming next uh providing the phase one certification for the portion of lot 15 to be deed to the town before final site development plan is

granted approval on lot 15C. Um and again the the last one has been uh taken care of so that we can strike the last condition of approval. The staff report went out prior to getting finding that letter. So I apologize. Um Mr. Thompson and Mr. Mrs. King, are there any points you'd like to emphasize that weren't covered in the staff report? Very quickly. Uh very quickly, we're glad we can finally be at this point. We met last um September 2024. It's taken now to finally get the fire department APFO approval. That's been the thing holding us up. Okay. So, moving from concept plan to finalizing a u final site design. Okay. Thank you. Uh any questions from the commissioners regarding this plan? And just keep in mind that once this plan if this plan is approved with the conditions recommended by the staff, it falls solely within your hands. Now that that's incorrect. No, it'll come back to you as a final site development. We'll get a final site plan after this concept plan. That's correct. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you. So, uh we'll see this again. Um uh I do have some questions, but again, I'll reserve them to Commissioner Walls. I just have a quick question. And I noticed that the police services are approaching inadequate on this plan, but on the previous one we were looking at, they said that they were adequate. So, I don't know if that was just outdated or Well, I did talk to police chief this afternoon, this evening at the swearing in and and I asked him, "We are adequate uh with their police force currently and and and if the when the Green Tree property comes into effect that adequacy potentially uh might be approaching inadequate more so uh because the additional new residents that might be coming in, but this is adequate and I apologize for not having that corrected." Okay. And we have the

town staff has the document from Mount Airy Volunteer, I'm sorry, the Mount Air Police Department that says adequate. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, it's documented. Um, anything else? Any other questions from the commissioner? Uh, Mr. Thompson, if you could, um, it says there's 22 evergreens. What do you define as the evergreens? Well, let me go to It may have been all of the Leland uh Cyprus that were planted out along the roadway there and behind building what's now eight. You can see that on the on the monitor here is where they're located. He's talking about there are 44 of them. Okay. But I can only count um monary code two to one for planting units. Okay. So those are already planted. Yes. Okay. That Yeah. I just wanted the clarification if you're putting those in there or not because it just says evergreen. So yeah, that could be a lot of things. Pardon? That could be a lot of things. You have to pull your I think I think they are probably Leland Cypress more than likely. Okay. Any other commission uh commissioner questions to the applicant regarding Mr. Thompson did in the Kings. This was the flex space that you had an interest in the front and the back of it. Right. Did we see an elevation for this already or is this So this plan does show elevations but it doesn't show color elevations. Oh, okay. Gotcha. You you did have I feel like I remember

seeing this particular uh outline before, right? You did have an architectural elevation that went in for the what's now called building three. Yeah. When it went through the process in the permit. Okay. And I think one of the comments came back. Um it did have a 4ft facial wall. Yeah. Put on it. Okay. Okay. Anything? You're indicating this is stone basically at the bottom here. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was like a cinder block with the steel and then the roof and Yeah. It says split block CMU. Okay. Any other questions, Commissioner Vita? I have no other further questions. Okay. Um I I have a couple of quick questions. First, uh, John, we have in the staff report on page, um, five at the bottom with respect to the open space waiver, um, the open space waiver worksheet needs approval. Um, have we already done that? And we did do that on June 27th, 2024. Okay. It's also what I thought as well. Okay. So, we don't have that step here tonight. That's true. Okay. So that's that's been granted by the planning commission. Correct. So all of the 25-5 205-4 APFO certifications and waiverss have been completed. Yes. Okay. Great. Um and we've also I believe completed uh 25-4 BC and D with regard to financial stability and environmental matters. I believe we did that. Correct. Correct. Okay. with a statement from you Vanmar with respect to that compliance. Great. Okay. Uh with that out of the way, uh if

I could ask you to take a look quickly at sheet two of the maps. It's a real simple question and that has to do with a footnote, Mr. Thompson. Um and it's respect to right now the aesthetics around that corner. There's a chainlink fence uh with fabric, black fabric I believe that is um kind of shielding from viewing into the property. And you make in your note here that it's going to be removed. Not only the fabric, but the chain link fence will be relocated. Could you just elaborate on that? Um I'm just trying to understand uh the black fabric is going to uh going to uh transition to something else. I'm I'm not quite sure yet to be truthfully honest and we have to have that discussion. I think that we're finding the fabric blows away, right? And it becomes a maintenance headache. Right. Now, the fence has to be the existing fence has to be relocated as part of the approved lot 14C. Right. When you cut the parcels. Yeah. Right. So, you'll see the old fence line. Okay. On there. um cutting right through uh the middle of lot now 14C and okay we have to bring it up to the property line and around for uh so that there is a it now will sit on the property line between 15 and 14. Um is it is it too early to say that new fence will be again another chain link fence? Uh you've already told me you're not sure of where it's going to go. Um I think they'll be relocating the fence that they have there. I see. Okay. What the final um privacy element is it is needs to be determined. They are things that now you can um instead of

fabric you can put the slats in or people are now are taking and attaching a a muted screen. Sure. That's in large panels to it so it doesn't blow away. Yeah. If um Miss King wanted to u maybe comment on that. Yes, Ron. We've already replaced the fabric with the slotting, so the screen is there. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. And and I only bring it up because um it is a is it is a visual element. I mean, we talked tonight a great deal about visual elements. Um and I know that when we did the Verizon flag property over by Southside Plaza, uh we stipulated that their new chain link fence have the slats. Correct. Right. Those slats actually had an evergreen element to it. So, okay. When you drive by, it's very hard to see that site now. Correct. I don't know if anybody's driven by and looked at because it's almost camouflage. It looks like camouflage. It blends in with everything. Would the Would the revised fence location and slap material be a necessary element of the final site plan fidelity? I mean, I think we should we should iron it out. I know when I drove out there to put a sign up for um the reszoning of lot 73, I noticed that the um the material or fabric or or slats only went up a part of the way up the driveway. I didn't see that it was extending down the length of the chain link fence. And I don't know if that's um the intent ultimately and maybe they were installing them at that point. I don't know. Right. But but as far as uh perhaps a condition in any motion, we would want to address that final fence appearance as you now put it on the new parcel line is is where I'm getting at.

Um particularly if they're not blocked by future buildings. If you've got a fence that sits behind like lot 14 will have a large building sitting on it. Okay. You won't see anything behind there. Yeah. But the stuff that you maybe see from the roadway, you want to Yeah. I'm I'm primarily focused on backacre circle visuals is is what I'm getting at because we go past and we go up into a neighborhood and the school. And so, um, that's kind of echoing what we've already been through as far as making sure there's a degree of aesthetics to that. and and I understand, you know, there's all sorts of ways to kind of screen and protect the property. Um, and I think slats have already some precedents agreeable to the town and to us. So, you know, that sounds good. I'm just offering that perhaps it should be clearly identified as to that material and location in the next final plan. So, okay. Um, and the last comment here is, um, I believe Mr. Thompson and Mr. Thompson and Mr. Mrs. King, we've we've addressed this, uh, parcel on several occasions. Um, and we've done uh the monument sign, flag pole, dedication to Doc Full. We've done the above ground uh, petroleum storage facility. Uh, and what I'm getting at is I understand this to be and per the town staff to be the final how we want to build out this business. Is that an accurate statement? Yeah. So, this is everything that we should be able to see. In other words, said differently, there's not going to be more little pieces coming in to another site amendment or this is this is how you see it finally settling. Is that

accurate? Okay. We will have the final plan will have maxed out what we can do on the site maxed out primarily because of parking requirements and storm water management requirements just can't build anymore. Understand? Yeah. in the ESA phase one. I'm not going to repreeze that particular requirement, but I think we all understand it's um it's good that property gets deed to the town, but we want to make sure that there's a full environmental assessment at at the phase one level before we take it on as as our property. And so, um that is a condition and I agree to that condition, uh just to kind of protect the town. Um it's it's a very good thing that a property owner is going to deed us property but again I think there's full understanding we just have to make sure because it is industrial zone we just have to make sure that there's not any issue with regard to that property. Fair enough. Gotcha. Okay. So that's again kind of peeling back the condition with regard to the ES phase ESA phase one. One more time, any questions from the commissioners or town staff comments regarding this? I would say that maybe that there should be a detail as part of the final site development plan showing and indicating the extent of that um sledding because if you're driving on Backacre Circle, if you're not right in front of lot 14 and you're pulling out of lot 72, well, you can look straight into the site over here. I I just because this fencing is behind lot 14 doesn't mean that it doesn't need slats in my opinion. Okay. We we'll detail have a detail of the fence just like we did on I believe

it was the public storage. We we labeled where the different types of fences were. Correct. Correct. We extended that 150 ft back where it basically abuteded the railroad uh easement. So if you were driving down the road, you couldn't see right the chain link fence. Gotcha. Okay. All right. Um one last call. No. Okay. Uh, I'll entertain a motion with respect to this application um for approval or disapproval of the concept site plan for lot 15C at Twin Arch Business Park, section 4. I'll make a motion that the planning commission grant conditional approval of the concept site plan for lot 15C, Twin Arch Business Park, section 4, for King Sports Construction with the following conditions. All town and county comments must be addressed before any final approval is granted or any grading permit is approved or signed off by town by the town of Mount Airy staff. Condition two, provided all legal documents, easements, public works agreements, PWA, and bonding before any grading permit or building permit is approved. All re third, all related materials to the cycling of turf fields shall be stored in waterproof bags or under cover from the exposure to the weather. Fourth, the understanding that no residential use will be allowed on this parcel in accordance with the code for industrial zone properties in the town code. Next, all existing wells and septic systems must be abandoned, capped, and inspected by the Carol County Health

Department and then provide the town of Mount with the report of that action from a licensed well driller and the Carol County Health Department. Next, the owner must provide the town with a phase 1 ESA certification for the portion of lot 15 to be deed to the town before a final site development plan is granted for final approval for lot 15C. And last, pertaining to the fence discussion, I have worded John, show the details of the final property fencing and any privacy material. I'm trying to capture the category of slats or fabric or whatever mechanism that is intended to screen inside or onto the the final fencing. Is that is that appropriate? Yes. Okay. Um if any commissioner really wants me to read this over again, I can. Um other otherwise, uh do I have a second on the motion I made? I'll second. Commissioner Hadley seconds the motion. Is there any further discussion or amendment of the conditions read? Hearing none, the motion is on the floor and I'm asking for a vote. Uh all those in favor of the motion with the condition stated signify by saying I. I. I. Those opposed. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Thank you, Mr. Mrs. King. Thank you. This was the last agenda item on tonight's uh agenda. Uh as mentioned by the town staff, um the item number nine regarding Green Tree Village was removed. We are now into reports and other business. And so I asked for our new council liaison for a report from the last council.

Hello. So I have notes from Councilman Evans from the last uh uh town council meeting. It was uh uh pretty packed agenda. I'll read through uh notable items here. Uh let's see. We had a of course we he had a special meeting uh before this with uh swearing in Councilman Deodor and I uh at the last uh full council meeting. There was a um uh approved road closure on uh uh July 1st for the American Spirit Parade. There's also an approved road closure for October Fest, which will be Saturday, uh, September 27th this year. Uh, that is an all day road closure that is 8 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Uh, the council unanimously approved uh the rebid award for the traffic circle at South Main. Uh, also uh a uh unanimous approval for the conduit. I believe this is uh Oh, I see this is the conduit upgrade at Wells 2 and four. Uh there were some commission appointments and reappointments. Uh also uh a few ordinances went through. Uh most notably uh the tax rates uh were set and that was uh unanimously approved. Uh also the budget uh was unanimously approved with some amendments uh which were um some additional funds allocated to the volunteer fire company uh rails to trails and also an additional $200,000 allocated uh to the roundup route project cuz uh I think with all the time that has passed there were some additions to the to the bid. Uh, also there was uh $80,000 allocated in emergency adoption uh to the inflow and infiltration uh infiltration uh water systems capital improvements and that was also approved

unanimously. Uh two more items uh I said it was packed. Uh the uh the uh alcohol permit for uh Maner October Fest was approved. Lastly, uh there was some unfinished business that carried over from the previous meeting. Uh Antum Broadband came back out and they did finalize uh uh that adoption and that was unanimously approved for fiber optic installation throughout the entire town both on the Frederick and the Carol sides. Any uh questions to uh council the Kelly's report? Any idea about the timeline for the roundabouts construction? Arie Sean? I do not have that that timeline noted. Uh um to get started just in a few months. Okay. Thank you, Barney. Fantastic. Um next is the town zoning administrator report. Um John, do you have anything you wish to highlight? Uh nothing to add. Uh any questions with regard to his submitted report? Any last comments across the deis? Commissioner Ali, Commissioner Bea, the uh the permit rates. Are you guys going to look at the permit rates? I know we talked about that last time. Yes, I pulled some. I'm waiting on others. Okay, very good. Commissioner Hadley? No. Commissioner Buts, any last questions, comments? Commissioner Wallace. No. Um, with that, I don't have any further questions. It is, uh, 9:35. Uh, this meeting is hereby adjourned. Thank you.