County Commission - Regular Meeting

Thank you very much.

For two days for two meetings. That's Katie's Katie.

That's right. She should have left. The minutes were very well done, huh? Yeah, I thought you did good. They were good. Well, did you get did you get what I needed? And everything's okay.

I'm going to use this tonight probably. the whole 708.

Yeah. And then two questions. It's okay. It's okay. I'm not on any of that. I don't Well, welcome everyone to our Morgan County Commission meeting work session at 400 p.m. December 16th. Um, appreciate everybody being here and those that are online, welcome as well. Is it your birthday? Merry Christmas. I can look up that

and uh it's been a wonderful, wonderful year hopefully for everyone in our county. Um, well, we're going to turn the time over to our Kate, whatever she is, county administrator. to our to and let her handle her triage of project.

See that small and I of course bring let's zoom shall we? Okay. Um are there any of these specifically you want me to pull out and discuss or do you want to just go from the top down because these are in no particular order. just made me exhausted. I'm like, "Wow." And I miss some [laughter] because there's new ones every day. Um, yeah, it was quite a list for sure. Nothing particular you want me to pull out? Just go through them. Yep.

Okay. So, we are still working on activating um the fair Venmo account. The problem with that is our fair when it got linked up, it got linked up to the fair's email and the fair director's which is the county's phone number and that's been really difficult to get that coordinated to get the final step to approve the PayPal account. Once the PayPal account is set up, then the Venmo is live. But obviously we've been working on this since what May of so would really like it to be live by the end of July of 2026. So that is still in processes is not active.

We do have a meeting tomorrow or sorry Thursday. Yeah. If you want us to assist with anything then just let us know what you need. Um the cattle grazing contract. So, Adam Tune was awarded the cattle grazing contract for the fairgrounds. However, the agreement that was written up and detailed with the attorney's office with help of uh Commissioner Fackerel did not match the RFP that was put out. And so, Adam Roof didn't sign it, but we'd already cashed his check. So, we need to make a decision in 2026 on In what way? A lot. Um, I'm gonna let Garrett speak to that because I didn't go through that review.

So, maybe that's a Janet.

It is a Janet. I can do my best though. From what I recall, there were some changes to or just some additions about moving cattle off for certain events and certain notice that was given that wasn't in the original. And he was talking about the cost to do that. And um it was just unanticipated. and he said, "Well, I might have bid differently had I known that that was part of the agreement." I think for the county, we want to make sure that the fair and uh the cardboard riata, some of those things, we have the ability to have them moved. And if we did it, if we put it out for RFP with those terms already in place or the contract already in place, then everyone can bid on what they think they could do having to move. cuz in his mind when he came in he said I didn't know I was going to have to move these multiple times and there's a cost that's associated with that. So that's the main thing that sticks out in my mind but there may be others as well.

So how did we end up handling that? So as far as this we already checked so we let this year go [snorts] but the original RFP was for multiple years. I think it was for three years. So three years on a yearly basis if we need to which there's no contract signed. So if we need to repost with the new language um or [clears throat] if we need to have the commission agree to the current contract language um and obviously we can

but he would want to be he would want to pay less under the new agreement. And so, so that's really what it is. Do we negotiate under the new agreement or do we repost it with the agreement attached saying these are the terms that you're agreeing to when you put your bid in? If I remember correctly, there wasn't between the two bids. There wasn't a huge difference. Did the other person know? I guess not as neither. Neither did. Okay. I mean, wasn't I think we ought to repost it with the proper language.

Proper language. We could, like you say, include the contract itself as part of the postal so they know exactly these are the terms that you'll agree to then at least it resets it and it's a fair process for anybody to do. Yeah, I think they can also within that in my opinion they can also figure out they don't have to move the cows or the sheep or anything out. They just need to be able to handle them for that half a day. That's about That's all. Um that's not But that wasn't your email to the attorney's office. It was to remove them for an entire week. Oh, I didn't

was my understanding. And that's what he was like, that's not No, it was only for that 4hour period of time. The cardboard um regata is going down the river. It's all it is. Is it just the riata or are there other fair activities that may Well, I don't know if there's any other fair activities. That's just the one that we have. And this year, I don't know what's going to happen with the 250 here either. I I thought we had talked about that week because we thought we might use it, need it for parking, but I that might just be my poor memory, but it I do remember the contract and one of his big sticking points was that it was one week and I can understand that.

Well, let's let's talk through that when we review the contract and get ready to post it again. Okay. Okay. Um timelinewise obviously just sometime in the spring, early spring there for reposting that and putting that on the agenda, the RFP. Okay, that's for me. I'm speaking for myself.

Oops. I'm sorry. I'm bumping the America 250 up since I have my my awesome ladies here to discuss it. Um, okay, America 250. Um, we've received our swag monies, so I double checked on that. Um, we did budget for the swag monies. Um, [clears throat] the question is, so there's these monthly Zooms um that are for America 250. Um, [clears throat] the last thing I When we had discussed who was going to be the board for America 250, I thought the conversation was that the historical society would take that lift since the two projects are kind of synonymous. Um, and being due diligent and reading the agenda packet, they're like, "That's news to us. So, where do we want um [clears throat] I guess what's the disconnect and what what do we need to action so that do I just need to add them to the America 250 email list so that they're getting the Zooms

if they're willing to do that? I've been on a couple of those Zoom calls. Okay. Um and a lot of it's just been different groups talking about what they plan to do in their communities. there hasn't been a whole lot of um so I guess it's ideas as much as anything which is probably really helpful I think if the if the historical society slash library are willing to take that on I would love that I think it would be wonderful yeah absolutely as long as you speak in the mic so Jeremy doesn't text me [laughter] upset mic um that's for Austin Okay.

So, we would love to be involved and and we think it's appropriate that it it matches the mission of the library and of the historical society. And we're hearing a lot through our state agencies and channels about this, too. So, we love to do it, but we have so many questions about how much money was received, what is the county's vision for it, who in the county is in charge of it. Also bearing in mind that the historical society plays a major part in planning the Front Street Festival in June and the library is smack in the middle of summer reading which is our Super Bowl. I'm afraid to commit to being able to the two of us handle the whole thing. So what is the county's vision and how much support is there?

I think that's probably going to be a work session sooner rather than later. um which I'm happy to to coordinate with you too on your schedule uh to get that done and I can get you all the documents to date. The um the swag monies that they've allocated it's it's not much $3,000. It's pretty dimminimous. Um

and it it's not just for I mean you could use it really for any purpose that has to do with the so it could be used as some event funding. When we talked about it previously, we had talked about the fact that there are a lot of events already that occur in the county. I don't know that we need to do any extra events. The intent was really to incorporate the America 250 into the already happening events. That's what city was.

So, so like the county fair we've already talked to the fair board about. We want this the theme this year to be very patriotic, right? And we do have a logo that says America 250 Morgan County that they've licensed to us. So, we can put that on anything we want. I think the intent was, let's put it on things that have to do with the Front Street Festival. Let's put it on stuff that has to do with the Fourth of July and work with the chamber on that. Let's put it on fair stuff and and just try to incorporate that. The only um item that I'm aware of. Okay. There's a couple of things. Um there's a traveling thing that you're aware of the I am and I've reached out to the state but haven't had any response. We can follow to be held at the DUP building. Oh, it is.

But I don't know that's that's what's listed. It's a nationwide event going around and the DUP is listed as the location. Oh, I think I think that's a different item because there's a there's a traveling exhibit that they're offering to libraries. So we can check into that and see what the it's the same one but that's it's that's what's listed on this the site. Okay. So we can check on that. And then the other thing was they have tal the state is planning in conjunction with the nation. There's supposed to be like a neighborhood um picnic potluck thing on the Sunday before heard the 4th of July.

The church was kind of potential. I think that's how it's going to. So, I don't think we have to do really anything with that except maybe some advertising. Um, which, you know, we've got a lot of channels we can push that out and we put on signs. We can do that kind of thing. When you say the church, you mean all the churches, all the the word I specifically mean the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Morgan, Utah as being maybe the entity and and this is just something I've heard, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the entity that sort of lead organized because communities are already organized geographically insiteing.

Oh, the day after. Oh, it's the day after. I was saying it's the day or the week before. It's the day after, but Okay. So, where we stand right now, Mike, are you pretty much the committee? Committee of one. Okay. I've gathered information. I don't know that I'm a committee. [laughter] Are we or have we included the school district? Yes. The school district I think we could include in that, too. I don't know what planned. You got the chamber that Yeah, the chamber. I mentioned the chamber.

So, they know what to do for the Fourth of July celebration. So those those entities I think we need to get a committee of all these entities get them together either in a work session or in a group setting so they can discuss all these things and okay let's find a person that's going to take charge. So, is the city involved at all then? Should be. They I believe could receive some funding. I No, maybe it's just counties. I don't know if the city has anything. I'll ask the mayor. Yeah. Ask them if they know anything about it. So, it sounds like

Yes. I mean, maybe we identify all the all the stakeholders and then we could call for them to come sit down and at least talk about I I don't know that you need to tell them how that anybody needs to tell them how to plan anything. I think it's more of a coordination of hey, you guys are already doing this event. How are you planning to incorporate the America 250 and how can we support you in making that happen? The biggest the biggest thing the uh chamber was curious about is whether or not they were what they needed to do this year versus in years past.

There's no there's no requirement from the state that says you have to do this or that. It's simply we want you to plan things and try to incorporate that it's things that are unique to our community and there aren't any specific requirements. No, we've already rece agreement that said that we intend to use it for those purposes and and part of that agreement also licensed the logo to us. So,

I did send out a Kate Grumpy email shortly after we received the money to remind them that's county commission money and so people can't just ad hoc use it. Um, it needs to come before the commission and or be budgeted for and it's not until 2026. Okay. Okay. So, that work session will be historical society, library, city, school district, chamber. Anything else? What other crew? Oh, maybe fair director. Maybe more gala days, which is the high school rodeo, the auto show. Uh, yeah, the car show representatives should be. Are there any other activities that we have that are Front Street? That's those guys. Other than that, I don't know. But

I mean, potentially if they're going to do that car show at the airport again, maybe those folks would be airport border. Yeah. Was it the airport board that put it on or was it just I mean we could Yeah, I was looking at least have a representative from the airport board if they're interested right now. It can be Oh, yeah. So, the Alliance Club because they also do the truck pools. Yeah. So, that could be a good a big group. I I would suggest that we just ask each of them to send one representative because if you have 30 people in a room, you'll never get consensus. But, and I think you focus on Yeah. Yeah. We just need somebody to head out and do this. Yeah.

Which is So, we'll get this on [laughter] work session as the next work session I have open. Um, but while you're here, cuz we don't get you often, Cindy, your Front Street Festival is like quadrupled in size in the last several years, and we've just been extremely impressed with all the work that you're putting in and the turnout and the quantity of people and the the sales that you've had in your facility and and and you working with the Yellowstone group like um the filming people like you're you're doing amazing things and it is seen and I just wanted you to know that. Thank you. So, Fantastic.

So, do you have anything else for us? Okay. Thanks for squeezing time out for Okay, we'll get something scheduled. Thank you. Thank you. Um, we have two RFPs that are posted currently and that is our grant writer and our something attorney, public defender. Yeah. Represents those that can't afford an attorney. I didn't see any any of the applicants. Did we get any? hardly any at all. So, um definitely hardly

one for Grant. I haven't seen any for public defender. So, um I need to do some research on additional state sites between besides our county site and the state's website that we can post that on because we're just I'd rather have 20 applicants and we through them than one applicant. Um, so I'd like to repost those regardless, but we definitely need to to find other sites to post those on. And I really don't want to pay to put them in the paper because I really don't think that's where we're going to get anyone from. But historically, we post on the state's p procurement site and we post on our website and I just haven't

we don't have a LinkedIn county LinkedIn or anything like that. I guess I And yeah, I don't even have to myself. I'm like, is that something that like I'm not not against it. I just don't want to add [laughter] additional responsibilities to myself. Somebody push that out for us and help us. You could just post it as a a job posting and put it as just put in it's an RFP and it'll push to LinkedIn, Indeed, um Zip Recruiter, all those different sites that we Where were you two weeks ago? Oh, that's right. You had a baby. [laughter] You said LinkedIn, Indeed,

Indeed, Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter. I don't even know what that is, but like a bunch of those. Okay. And you said UAC. So send those to UAC and because I mean we have differently to the law schools. Law schools we'd have to have they'd already have to have their jurist doctorate. Oh, you don't want to JD? So cuz they're having a hard time finding jobs. Just so you know, I'm on the board of the law school and it's slim pickings for jobs right now. Oh well. Yeah, why not? We would want someone

we would want someone with some experience though because they are representing, you know, all all the rights of our defendants. And so we we do want someone with some experience. They don't have to have the most experience ever. And and I'm kind of trying to stay out of that process because I don't want to I think it's a conflict if I pick my opponent, so to speak. you know, as as a prosecutor, like who who do I want to have cases against? Um, but but hopefully we find someone who's very qualified, who's willing to, you know, represent the best interests of those that are indigent. Okay.

Okay. because we have different sites we post the RFPs for like building or um higher tech things like the impact fees, but for stuff like this where it's we're seeking one individual or one um vendor um we just haven't um had so much luck. Can I have I have a question on your animal control? Yeah. Okay. So, the one that we awarded this year, was that just for We didn't award it. I thought we did for not

the um the county attorney disagreed that that I had reposted it. So we we posted it in like February. I want to say we got right after we found out that the price was increasing. We didn't have any responses to include our current. So then the action from the commission was do a cost analysis on having our own versus contracting. Well, by the time we got the cost analysis back for having our own, the Mountain Green was on board. And so we had we did an agreement with them for as many months as kept us under the bid cap knowing that in February we were going to have to repost the RFP because now the local one that we were contracted with wants to bid again. So that is the action item is that we are reposting that bid. we're sticking with the vet and not with us going and creating our own at the um search and rescue storage building.

So, that's been decided. However, we need to repost for the RFP vet contract and that'll re reposted in February. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it even though you're not on the page. You've heard that. Okay. um the short-term rental. Um so this is 1,00% my my ball drop and it's it's not really a ball drop as in intentional. It's been put on my back burner. We were going to do an every door direct mail for the short-term rental survey. About the time that we had that all set up and ready to go, the 3% public safety sales tax came before the commission. Got tabled got tabled. the third meeting that it was on, it was determined to do that as a cooperative every door direct mail um of so we'd have two surveys going out on the same flyer because those EDDDMs are not cheap. Um in the process of waiting for the language to be drafted for the survey, which was done about a month and a half ago by the attorney's office, thankfully. Um, now we're in the process of I need to get with Jeremy to design that in Jot form and we need to design the every door direct mail itself. um in that do we want two separate QRS or would we just have one QR and then it automatically starts with STR and then flows into okay now here's the 3% sales tax one so that they are getting both without having to do two different steps is was kind of my thought is we do a one QR and we we can put two separate surveys up on the website if someone wants to speak directly to that survey. But as far as the EDDDM, I think we'll get actually more turnout if we just one QR it and kind of force them into doing survey.

Okay. So, okay. And that 3% is only 03. Okay. This is just my scratch notes, but yeah.

Okay. So, um, and I'm already, um, working with the mailing company we used for the general plan survey on printing those. Um, but there was just some final questions that I needed answered. And then I still need Jeremy to design um, to convert those into the jot form. Um, and then now on the other issue was Cudon I guess does not get EDMs. So, do we need to hard print X amount of

post? We need to have a conversation, I think, with the postal service about when we did the when we did the fair mailers, they told us that they would not mail them to Cuddon because it's its own zip code and there weren't enough addresses at that zip code, which makes zero sense to me because they're stopping there anyway. So, it doesn't cost the post office more. We're paying for the service anyway, but that's what they told us. So when we did the fair mailer, nobody in Cudon got any of it. But what's weird is there's other times when we've done mailers either county stuff or or you know like when a politician sends out a mailer or whatever and we do get them. So I don't know what the deal with that was. I don't know if that's so

just whoever happens to be there at the time or what it could be. So it's 84018, right? Uhhuh. 84018. [clears throat] All right. I don't know if that's I'm gonna give a suggestion and we just go over his head and we go straight soling. Okay. And in fact, they will do a lot of the stuff for us with an add unless they've changed it in the last year. Well, maybe that's why the this company was their survey did go to Cuden is they used a different post office and that probably and so I'm going to request bypass this one because they are the joke of the post office for the state of Utah. That is the serious on the street

and just go to Salt Lake and just go to Salt Lake and talk to them down there and I could possibly find out the person that you need to talk to if you want. That would be great. I think I'll try to do that. Okay.

Uh playground equipment inspection. Uh your recreation director, Lydia, is actually a certified uh playground equipment inspector. She is um inspecting all of the playground equipment that is county owned. Um [clears throat] the last thing she's waiting on is there's some type of density uh scale um in the ground that she has to use and hers is broken and but she was getting a new one as of Tuesday. So that's the last piece of that puzzle. she's going to do a presentation for the commission um not the first county commission meeting but maybe the second or third to go through like here's our triage of our playground equipment and where it's at and what's safe and if anything's not safe we'll have you know we'll make sure that we tag that. Um and she's on schedule to do that. Um, a second. So, she just updated me on that. This could possibly fall under the rural health initiative Utah. Um, that the state's getting the 5 million and possibly another 500 million to a billion. So, we have to be ready for a one-time project to apply for it. This could possibly be

Oh, for replacing. Could we do like an exercise park? Yeah, you could. If we have it all ready to go along that trail, one time project type thing.

I I just one didn't know that she had that credential and so I definitely wanted to use it and uh because we talked about moving and or replacing the equipment up at Mountain Green and but then [clears throat] after walking through it, it looks a heck of a lot nicer than a lot of the equipment we have at some other parks. was like maybe we should just review all our parks and um and so she's working on that now and we'll have that done by the end of the year and she is working with Brett on that as well. So, um, for possible replacement grant and additional equipment and I long for the days of the old hot metal slide, right,

merrygoround that you'd spin until you got sick or thrown off with the recycled tire chunks that you can't do anymore cuz apparently kids put them in their mouth. It's like, but we put them in our mouths and we turned out fine. We're just fine.

We're just fine. Um I have a note um to do a presentation on our the RDA and CRAAS that currently areas that currently exist in the county. Um I am between building our own presentation or andor buming somebody else's that has already existed and then adding our our data to it. But because there's no active push to do a RDA or CRA project except for the one at um the Mountain [clears throat] Green Town Center, it's that's why I haven't done it. It's not really high on on my priority list. I'll gladly bump it up the priority list. If you think it's a priority, but um I still maintain that I'm not hurting for people to build or develop in this county, so I'm not really hurting on the need to give them tax increment financing to do it. So, um it is on my list to do, you know, obviously before the end of my first contract. It's just really low on my list to do. Just let me know. Um dirt spot. Um we are working with UD do have the dirt spot transferred to the county. Um because it's a recreational use to a recreational use, there's no cost. They will straight just deed it to us. It is currently sitting in the U DOT's um [clears throat] uh land land and deed office. It's been there since June. Um they're expecting March, April before we actually have the paperwork. Um but in that the idea is that the Morgan Valley Trails Foundation um would love to use that since they already use the space as their starting off point for their their group rides um that we would do um they put like a

Yeah, like a like a little pavilion itty bitty but like a little pavilion that we can also use um to post like public notices of like here's our trails, here's our rules for like an information for biking. Um, and also have a a water filler at that site as well. So, that's in the works. Um, but yeah, they were thinking March, April before we got the deed document. Um, speaking of deed documents, I wonder if it's on here. It probably is under Is there border war in here? Yes.

Okay, just checking. Okay. Um, missing packets. So, I've gone through the website on the Morgan County website for planning commission and county commission meetings and as back as we have history on the website, there are missing commission packets and there are it's commission packets that say, hey, this is the June 2nd, 2023 packet, but when you click on it, it's like the May 19th one, so it's mislabeled. um gave that project over to the clerk auditor's office as that's kind of their domain. Um it was on Katie Lacader's work list. Um it just hasn't got done. We do have her position posted. Um, and that will be a project for them. Not just those packets, but as we go through the packets that are missing, we also need to identify because we're missing a lot of agreements. We're pretty solid on ordinances and resolutions, but like agreements um for example like our uh agreement with Weaver Morgan Health like or our agreement for our cell phone tower um that we have our SBA lease like hunting those down. I have to go through the packets on the website try to find what meeting it was in pull it from the it's just missing from our new paper vision site. Um, so I just want to make you aware that those that is an issue that we have. It has been identified and we do have a process to move forward to correct and uh get those all posted for public record.

I say it is not a small list. No, it's not. Um, I know one person has a lot of documents that we used in the beginning of when we came on as a commission. Um, Lilia Allen has a bunch and uh, you know, I don't know if she'll give them up to you or not. We have the packets. We have the paper. It's just not scanned into Yeah, the clerk has to keep the permanent because she has paper. Yeah, we have them. Including the trails [snorts] active transportation. Okay. Those we don't have.

She's got Okay. Okay. Um, the CEO board, this is more like John Barber's push and I know he's coming off the board. Um, but the mayor is also kind of on this push as well about looking into a revolving loan fund as part of our um, grant money's use. And I guess WFRC's ECDEV that um, Commissioner Blocker sits on, they have a format to do that already. We've just never budgeted for that. Um, and being that our this last year of our s our small business grants or growth grants was the first year we finally did that with agreements and contracts where they had to provide receipts and that took a whole lot of babysitting. Um, it just makes me a little nervous on the follow through on that. So, I have a meeting with um Oh, good grief. Is it Stephanie? Is she Davis County?

Uh, she's their economic development director. Why is the mayor? What? What? I don't know. EC's heat track. I have no idea. Well, the big thing is is, and this is just from my remembrances of what's going on, is John Barber and I had a discussion a few years ago on a revolving fund instead of just giving out a grant. And that way we could actually reuse that money and try to help people with a greater need by giving a loan from that 200,000 that we get. Okay.

And and so this was an idea we had talked to the bank, Morgan's Bank, and talked to them about that and and then I was no longer there and so, you know, it's gone away. But that was one thing that John and I had discussed and the mayor had discussed that in one of our meetings is to have that as a possibility. That's all it was was a possibility. That way we can actually help some some individuals or some businesses to help their businesses go a little bit further instead of just playing giving them the grant. Even though we require them the receipts now and the contract and all that kind of stuff, we've had a lot of them that just it hasn't been a um I don't know if it's as healthy as a grant or it might be more healthy to have a low interest grant versus just plain a grant.

Okay. And so that was just the thought that we had a few years ago. So do you want me to flush out or is there any appetite of the because there's only two people in the CEO board that have even mentioned it in the last year. That's because it's on my list couple years. Yeah. So, it's on my list because it's on my radar, but as far as my time and resources, is this something the commission is interested in me flushing out? Me personally, I'd like to see it happen, but to be honest, I I've never heard of it before. So, I think it's a good idea to look into. Um, we probably ought to make sure that the state won't have an issue with us using that. Other counties do it, that funding. If they if they can, then great. I think that's

and they can do it. They've done it in other counties. I'm trying to remember which ones did. I know Davis does. Who sets that interest rate? The county. The county because I mean the grant comes from the state. So we have to make sure we follow anything with the grant. I mean, even if you had 0% interest, if you're getting the money back, that's right. It's probably better than just the grant because at least you're receiving it back and then you can give it to somebody else to use for a time, right? At least you're I don't know if a be good because then they think of it as a grant. But I mean, we're giving out Well, they still have to they still have to repay. I mean, even if [clears throat] they go out of business, though, I suppose it's no different than if you're just giving them grant money and they go out of business. They use it or go out of business, you know, other than you're giving them a much larger

could be giving them a much larger Well, I don't know. That that's the other thing I guess you could look at is maybe maybe you limit the amount, too, so it's not like I mean, you wouldn't want to give somebody a $100,000 loan and then them not repay it. I think that would be but I I think that 10,000 might make sense and work. Okay. Right. And we might want to just search it out. I think we rather we just search it out and see whether or not it's feasible. If it's feasible, um then I'd say if we can get the attorney to agree on it and we can or maybe the banks or whoever we've got to do. In fact, I think we had talked both to Golden West and to uh Morgan Bank at the time. So Bev may remember some of it over at Golden West that we were talking to her about. She may not.

A lot of things have happened in two years. So do you want to come up, Sean? Because because we send we send out I mean we basically in this year I think we have in the budget to give out grants $125,000 $130,000. I mean I'd rather us see some of that money, you know, really try to help not just give them away free money, but just help them to stay in business.

Okay. Um, fire department. So, in the fire department employee handbook, which while I'm thinking about it, FYI, the commission has never passed the approval of that handbook by resolution. So, we'll need to get that done. Okay. Um because that employee handbook is clearly different than our employee handbook because there's there's health and physical requirements um of being on our fire and ambulatory team as set by your state requirements in that um in that handbook. It requires access to fit fitness equipment cost effectively. We would give the we have talked about giving them um like getting a bulk membership to one of the 500 gyms that we have here. However, the community hates seeing that fire truck and that ambulance anywhere but the fire station for some reason. So, but we train we train people to be ready for calls. We obviously don't want calls. We don't want to have calls, but they're trained to be ready for a call out. Which is why when the fire truck goes out or someone goes to, you know, to do a test at my house, thank you for calling me and letting me know. Freaked out my neighbors. Um, that we have everyone is there so that if there's a call out, the whole team's already in the truck. So, in that we cleaned out the basement. By we, I do not mean myself. The basement of Firehouse was cleaned out to make room for um fitness equipment so that they could work out and do their um physical fitness while they're on standby for a call if they weren't doing their mandatory training. The wish list for this equipment um is extensive.

Granted, I thought we had some. Granted, I know who it's coming from. So, you don't have any? I don't know. Boyd told me we had some and no one was using it. That's what I understood.

We had some old gym equipment that was donated now. It didn't reach the certain slack and that's part of cleaning out the basement. Um, it's all cleaned out. We've prepped the basement for new gym equipment and we're very limited on space. When we say the basement, it's onethird of the basement that's allocated space. We had a huge list of equipment. We had to narrow it down. They narrow down the budget or their equipment to fit our budget line. We have sped that line item budget provided to the county attorney. So best state laws we're just getting in the habit um of like even our historical society having their bylaws reviewed, approved, etc. Uh can you can you pull the mic up closer to your mouth, please? Thank you. Not my nasty ring. Yeah, [laughter] I will I'll be more than happy to share those SOPs with

Okay. I just want to so that we have them. Yeah. And we know what we are holding what standard we're holding people to as well. Um and if I understand these are also the ones I reviewed from is it Lexipole? Yes. So Lexapole is is a a group that tries to stay up to date with all of the changes in the laws. And so it's standards that a lot of [clears throat] departments are using so that they're not getting behind. And so that those are the standards that they're talking about. Okay. So that is ordered. Yes. Gym equipment is ordered.

Awesome. Thank you. Okay. So we are 45 minutes in and we are through 13 items. 12 technically. So crazy.

Yeah. So uh mobile generator. I haven't heard back on that one. Have you? No. Okay. Um the strawberry access had a meeting um with Commissioner Blocker and Davey from um Snow Basin. So I have it on my my radar to make sure that we're supporting and requesting assistance on the strawberry access for secondary eress for the Olympics. That's on my on my list. Um we did get today the spec list. I have not had time to review it. Matt, I'll probably send it to you. May I ask a question on the former one? Strawberry access. Strawberry access. Okay.

Yeah. Have you gone to COG and asked them to support us in that effort? I'm not on I mentioned it. Yeah. Would you please reemphasize it every single month? I do. And the RPO because I mean it's time for us to get some of the benefits of COG instead of just certain individuals. What's that? Is it on any of the COG project lists? Probably not. I doubt I think it is was written in now. We should get it finished up. Okay. So, so I'll get them and make sure it's it's slated for that. Thank you. Um because then that way we can also get WFRC behind it to help with all of this stuff because that's a huge project for us. I mention every time too.

Yeah. And I mean we mention it with Senator and everything else. We just need to we need to really start planning for that 2034. Correct. Um, so I do have that on my radar. Um, airport RFP. So the airport was granted a beautifification grant um for $44,000 in 2023. It is long since expired. However, the state has no interest in it. One, they haven't given us the money. It's a reimburseable grant. They have no interest in dissolving that grant. Um, we have our dog is your presentation. and he graduated from and I I wanted him to stash drugs behind your desk, but they thought that would look bad. So now they're statching just stashing drugs right now.

Let's see if I've got here. [laughter] I told Cory they're like rock paper scissors to see which commissioner is going to be and then he's like maybe no commissioner. Maybe we'll just hide it somewhere else. So that's what he's doing right now. So um [laughter]

yeah. So um the airport board. Um, so Sean and Commissioner Blocker were at one point kept sending like these bid estimates or estimates, but there was no RFP that was posted um for for that. Um, I have told Sean that I would help him write the RFP, but I don't know what they're wanting to do. And so that's kind of where the holdup is is Sean and I need to take an hour and sit down and go, "Okay, what what are you wanting to do with this beautifification grant so that I can write an RFP so we can get it posted because it's going to be way over the bid amount um or the our minimum bid amount. So that's what

a lot holding them up like No, we didn't get that figured out. No, we didn't get it figured out, but it's not holding up the grant because the grant's for beautifification before we do an RFP. They're like, "No, we don't have water." No, that affects what we're getting out how we're designing it. They haven't even got that far. So, I think we ought to design it for water and continue to try and get water. I Yeah. Yeah. It's just how much and that was my the question I had is how much water do they have? What do we I don't mean what's the plan? And we can say water is we don't need much water. But they want it mostly to be desert type wood

which system green too drip system wouldn't take a whole lot of water. It wouldn't. Um the big thing is just connect it to Robert M. So with that it's fine. we got that you guys might want to consider because we were discussing it back a couple of years ago, two or three years ago. And that is is the runoff from the Cottonwoods Mutual that they slough off every single day. If we could go and potentially because I mean cattails glory in that area and this is something Joe was trying to work on is to when they slough that off every day to drain their do whatever they do for their system. if we could by chance collect that and use that for the airport, we may want to consider that.

Okay. And see if they would do that.

Um the employee handbook has been rewritten. It's gone to a third party legal team. It just came back um Monday. I think it came back on Monday. He h Yep. He was Well, you've kind of been in 17 jury trials. So he was like, I don't want to send it to him because then it'll die in the abyss of his inbox. Um, so he's gonna send it to Garrett. He has he's still wanting to go through it again because we did find a couple things since then um in our handbook that were like, "Oh, how is that going to get worded?" And so there were some things that we needed to change. Then it'll go through Garrett. So we're hoping to pass it at the beginning of 2026. Um, [clears throat] our fleet vehicles are in. We have our three fleet vehicles. Um, they're not decaled. I am not creative. Um, the sheriff's office has given me access to their decal person, but those are their decals. Um, it's on my list. I will get decals on those vehicles. However,

I'll bet AI can help you. I'm sure they have a logo, don't they? We have a logo. Yes. But apparently the decal design is a It's different than apparently. And I'm like, yeah, I do math. Um, so how about I give you what our de our logo looks like. You figure it out. But apparently it's more difficult than that. So I am working with the company that the sheriff does to at least get the design or the I forgot what dot dot dot it is. Um, is there any way that when we're

Sorry, I have to speak into this. Um, any way that while we're doing it, and I don't know if [clears throat] it's on here, I couldn't remember if you put it. And that is to have when they do these decals, if we can do enough of them, that makes it cost effective so that we can change them year to year or if some get bad, we can keep some on like just order extras. Yeah.

For future future. Okay. Anything I want to do once future vehicles. Okay. Uh we did want to put a QR on the back of recreation so um as an additional one so people could scan the QR in the back of the recreation truck and to sign up for recreation programs. That's the only variable. Um I've been in discussion with UD do. Um they're going to come do a presentation at the beginning of the year. I think they are slated for the first meeting in February. They are have a new system similar to what the U do app where it shows you what road closures and like where the um the plow trucks are. They have an additional that is um available to all counties and municipalities and Snow Basin um um places like that so that we can put out notes like Snowbase can can say you know parking lot one is full um like [clears throat] seek like aim for other places to park. Um, also for the county, we can put in there, hey, there's an accident in the canyon. Please get off in the Morgan exit and use, you know, the old highway.

Oh, that's nice in that. Um, so they're going to give a a presentation on all the 5 million things that we can do with this new um platform. Um, because it's so convoluted and I could not get Brett to a meeting because they were all in Ogden. Um, so I wanted to get them here to the table so that we can know what's available to us because it's going to be super helpful come Olympics, but not just Olympics, Snow Basin, the people that go up the canyon with their um their boats, their boat trailers, and then find out that there's no parking and they can't turn around.

Um, so in that discussion, I told uh DOT that we would love it if they would put a a variable message board. um here at the before Morgan and before the canyon because we have so many accidents so that we can notify people, please get off otherwise you're going to get shut down in the canyon for god knows how long. So just in the small amount of snow we've had this year, the one snow event we had, we had a jack knife semi, we had an airplane land. I mean we did crazy things in that canyon. And um I think also pushing that with UD do um for that east west miles of the canyon for closures kind of adds to our hey this is why 902 is important to us. Um so we are in discussions with UD do um so far super open to it. It's a question of who's in charge of running it? Who's going to put it out? Is it going to stay? If not, who's going to store it? So that's the discussion that we're in um right now. So I asked you a question. It's related to UD do but it's a little off topic. It's UD do's portion of Old Highway Road in Mountain Green.

Is it Utopia that's been putting in the fiber cuz they've just tore up our sidewalks. Made a big mess. It's pretty messy. It doesn't look pretty. I can forward you the email what sidewalks we had. Yeah, I can forward you the email. And would you do be responsible for that or Utopia? Utopia. They have the ones that pulled their right ofway permit. So, they would have to remediate anything and I [clears throat] can forward you the email um from them. So, you at least have a point of contact. Hi, Sherry. Uh why don't we stop on number 20? That's what we are on or on the next one. Or do you want me to?

No, I'll just stop at 20. We've got we've got a 5m minute break coming up on that la next one. The on amendment. We're we're stopping at 20. Blaine. We're having a 5 minute and then we'll re reconvene at five. Oh, I totally cannot spell. Yeah, that I put a cocon.

Yes. Yes, please. Mike, the planning. Yes, that was when I was at the meeting last week. I was going to mention

it's number Yes. And then apparently it got too cold.

So [laughter] now you get it in the spring.

I guess on the bright side, we can beat up the old cement over the winter stuff. It's probably better if it sits longer too before we start plowing. So,

I think you should have some really excuse. So I asked about commission she says it's a res.

Yes, that was I think I [laughter] had like and so we can just make sure there's no reason she's not and it's you know and it's fine if they don't make a motion but they should vote. So, I can we can follow up on that. Just make sure that that's in there.

I figured that's what we were going to try to bring up. So,

okay. to to get moving. I think it should go. Can we just do a motion approved from F1 to F7? We can't approve that because it's postponed.

The dog they're doing a little presentation graduate like Well, we will. We should have put We should have

Perfect.

Ready everyone? Good. Okay, we welcome everybody to tonight's um commission meeting January or I mean not yet

December 16th. Merry Christmas to everyone. Thank you for joining us online or here in person. Appreciate your attendance here. Um, we're going to start our meeting off by having a a invocation by Commissioner Newton and he'll lead us in a pledge of allegiance as well. Our Father in heaven, we're so grateful to gather here this evening as residents of Morgan County and we're grateful for all those that live here and work here and serve here. We're thankful for the goodness of of the people that live here and their their kind hearts and that they give and help others. And we ask thee to bless us especially this time of year that we will be able to identify the needs of those in our community and and help them. [snorts] We're thankful for the opportunity to serve as as elected officials and ask that thou will bless us as we discuss the needs of the community that we will make wise decisions.

[clears throat] These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Commissioner Newton. Appreciate that. Okay, we're on to our consent agenda items. The our county attorney has asked that B5 be pulled. Is that still correct?

Yes. And I I spoke with Cindy K earlier and we're asking that when that gets to the action item, it can be postponed to the first meeting in January. So, Mr. Chair, I'll move that we approve items B 1 2 3 4 6 and 7. U moving item B5 to the action items. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Ferrell. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay. Now we uh do we have any commissioner conflicts of interest in tonight's agenda?

Okay.

Seeing seeing none, we'll move on to D. Public comments. If there's anyone here that has a public comment, um come forward now and uh we give you three minutes. Ask you to keep it to that. Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to our presentation. Sheriff, do you want to take over from here on the presentation? So, the last few months we've had uh our K9 getting trained with our handler and he's [clears throat] finished graduated and already been out finding some dope. And today we're going to give you a little demonstration on what he's doing. Cole, you want to bring Ace in? This is Ace. a lab.

Yes. Want to circle him up around? Do whatever you want to do. Uh oh. Von, it's my students. If anybody [laughter] still should have got a change before I How old is Ace? He is just about a year and one month now. Okay. He's like cookies. What kind of Christmas did you get? [laughter] So Cole, the handler, and myself went down to Vegas to pick him up. I think it was in August.

What's What's he trained to find? Um, meth, cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl. Wow. How do they do that without harming them? How do they train them to do that? They make it to be a toy.

Probably just locked on it. They just sent they sent balls. They sent things and have them hide it. Go ahead. You got to put on the sheriff. [laughter] Andy's found it. Is he sitting in?

So, how does he indicate that he found it? Sorry, we couldn't see him. He laid down and he just sits there and nudges at it and he he puts all his attention to it and will not move. So when you're out on a road stop or whatever, he would go around a vehicle and just stop where he stop and sit down and just indicate that that's where it's at. That's cool. So you had much when when did last week already found found seven grams of meth. Wow, that's awesome. So what do we got in our box here? Cocaine. That's a lot of cocaine. There

is quite a bit [laughter] of cocaine. It's cocaine. [laughter] When I turn the lights on, there's paint cans. Traffic stops. Is that where you usually find it? Traffic stops. So I last year I started an interdiction program. And so we're doing a and we was using South Ogden and Riverdale's dog to come up and help us do searches. So I thought, why not get our own dog? As Garrett pointed out, we needed it. and sitting on traffic stops for 20 minutes to a half hour waiting for a other agency's dog to come up. Not in our best interest. Do they ever take it over to the school? And yes, [clears throat] we'll take it over to the school. We haven't yet, but yes, we will. That would be [laughter]

like he he's a non-bite dog. No, I just mean what's he going to find? Hopefully nothing. Hopefully nothing. So is so is the dog and the and the the like coal is the handler are they like partners all they're partners they live together they bonded together they certified together. Oh so so that means he's going to be on call more often than not. Right. Okay. That is the only thing we could find that would partner with Cole was [laughter] so Cole has a history with a dog as well. His dad was a handler with Weber County for years and years. So that helps. He grew up with one of those dogs in the house.

So Cole could never hide drugs in the house. So no, never could. Not that he did. So the dog you found couldn't be trained apparently. Huh. The dog that you found, the one that lives in your house and is your [laughter] He didn't want to leave me. Didn't want to leave me. It wanted to stay with me. Gotcha. Is it still there? Yes. Yeah. Chloe's still at my house. Well, that's great. That's awesome. Thank you, Cole. Nice work. Good work. Okay, I'll get it out of here. Get out. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Make sure. Good. Cover your hands. Maybe they'll avoid I 84 alto together. Yes.

Don't act like you weren't handling it. Is Kimberly going to be here or She's right there. Oh, I didn't can't see her. Oh, there she is. You have the one item that came out of consent. Oh yeah. Oh, that's right. Mr. Chair, I move that we postpone item B5 to the first meeting in January. Okay. Have a commission or I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Ferrell. All in favor? I. Any opposed? [clears throat] Thanks, Kate, for bringing us back there. Okay, Kimberly. Action item F1.

No. No. So, we've been working on the C cash handling and deposit policy. Um, I think we're pretty much finalized with it. Me and Garrett went through and just made a couple changes to today to update everything. Um, Can you hear me? [laughter] We get nasty gramps from Jeremy if he can't hear you text. Great.

And if you have are you done with your general comments and I'll jump into the specifics. So yeah, going through this it was really good to get everyone's perspective and I thought I'd just point out the substantive changes in order. So when we get to uh 4.2, there was just a simple clarification where it has the three bullet points to say treasurer, semicolon, clerk, auditor, semicolon, and county attorney. just so all three of us are on board with any different changes um to um you know different payment systems or who's authorized with Venmo um specifically and this is also for the public the only official Venmo that has currently been approved is for the county fair and and we want to limit that as much as we can just because um Well, and it can't be, as you read later in the policy, anyone's personal, but we want it to be really focused in the fair for now. If it does expand from there, then the three of us have to get on board with it. And we will also, I'm sure, loop in the commissioner over that portfolio to say, "This is what we're thinking. Let's just make sure we're on board."

And when you say the three of us, you mean the treasurer, the clerk auditor, and the county attorney? Yes, that's correct. I kind of was seeing all of us in a line here and they color coordinated very well with Christmas colors. You want to go and and uh put in there as a bullet point at the commissioner in charge of whatever of the portfolio. I'm okay if that's in there as well because I don't think we'd do that without it. Do you see any issues with that? Because I mean I know we've got another one we've got to figure out for the auto show and the airport asked for it last meeting as well for tie downs. For what? Tiedowns. So like when you fly, you don't have a we don't have a hanger tie down. [clears throat] Yeah, that's true.

So we're going to have to have something that works with all these different entities or whatever they might do. Maybe it's the historical society with the uh annual annual event. They have the front street. So Front Street or the library or whatever it is, we've got to have something that and I wrote all that in there. So those were my questions was that that account how you're going to how we're going to maintain it, how we're going to do it because if we haven't done it in the past, we need to now start teaching everybody about it for this next year,

right? And throughout the policy, they have to be trained and approved to even use that. And so with the fair, I think we talked about that there were some things that we'd like to tighten up next year, have a meeting before the fair to go over and do the training, make sure they understand what it is, and then a post meeting to say how did it go and debrief and make sure the policy was followed. Okay. So, so your suggestion or or based on the discussion, Commissioner Ferrell, would just be to say treasurer, clerk, auditor, county attorney, and commissioner over the assigned portfolio. Yes.

All right. And then at the bottom of 4.3, we'll add a similar just to make it a similar provision just to make it even more clear. When it's talking about prohibited payment method methods, it will include a new bullet point that says any payments to the county's official Venmo account unless expressly approved by the treasurer, clerk auditor, county attorney, and commissioner over the assigned portfolio. Sounds great. [clears throat] All right. Under 5.1, so the receiving office, it has a definition earlier in the document that talks about a receiving office being someone who receives money prior to transfer to the treasurer's office. And so, um, in speaking with Kimberly, we thought it would be good to just remove that second to bottom bullet point under 5.1 that says report discrepancies immediately because if they are taking that money, there shouldn't be any discrepancies unless they're taking it in violation of the cash handling policy. They should they should know immediately whether they receive the full amount or not. and then add a bullet point that says deliver a monthly report of all transactions to the treasur's office so that everything is being updated and and as I understand it's already happening with those that are bringing it down. We're just putting it into the the deposit policy. So, point of clarification, and are we also changing the title of this document?

No. Oh, it already has it. It already has it in it. And so, that's why Yeah, I I asked the same thing and Kimberly is like, "No, it includes deposits as well." So,

all right. And then under if we go down to 12 record retention. And so when Janet pulled this together, there's and it can be kind of confusing, but there were some numbers that stood out, but in talking with Kimberly, there's other policies that they have with the the state archives. And so rather than outlining the minimum retention schedule, we'll just say that it'll be based on state statute and policies as amended because they they are amended from time to time and then we won't have to come and amend our policy. And so that'll be incorporated and we'll move the minimum retention uh numbers that are put in there. We'll keep the records include and all.

So you're take out those three bullet points there. That's correct. and and just generally reference state statutes and policies as amended. Okay. Will you go back to one? Number seven. Number seven. Mhm. Or 7.

Yeah. 7 7.2. The bottom the bottom bullet point says within the same fiscal month, what happens if a payment comes in the last day? What do you do then? Because there you're putting it as a physical month which is in our case the end of the month every month. Okay. So if that happens and it comes in it cannot be they cannot do a um they can't record it ne well they can record it but there's not a reconciliation. And that was in maybe one of the others I looked at. There had to be a rec Recon or

reconciliation reconciliation of all the accounts on the last day with all entities. Well, if it's that day, then you can't reconcile it until the next day. And so I'm not that's under recording. So it can be recorded. So the payments are recorded within the month. The reconciliation is a totally different process which is outlined in this. But that part that you're pointing out is just recording the payments. So if a payment came in today and it was the last day of the month, it would be recorded today but reconciled the following month.

Reconciling it would be reconciled the next month because that's when it would be deposited to the bank is like the next business day. So that would be reconciled with the next month. But for this piece where it just says recording payments, they are within the same month. Okay. All right, fine.

All right. And then to 13. Um, it is the second to bottom bullet point when it just talks about referral to the county attorney. Kind of just sounds like go to the principal's office. Well, what what are we being referred for? Right. Um, it's for ethical, civil, or criminal evaluation. So, willing to add that to it. Yeah, if we if we could add that in. So, referral to the county attorney for ethical, civil, or criminal evaluation, fighting, carrying a weapon. Yeah.

Okay. And that those are I think all the disc things we discussed. Mr. Chair, I move we approve CR25-65, the county's cash handling policy with the amend and deposit policy with the amendments um discussed at tonight's meeting. Second. Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner Nittton, a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you

and Garrett's office. Sean F2. Good evening, commissioners. So in line with last my last um present presentation with you guys in the commission meeting starting in 26 um I would like to ask for your appro approval for a budget budget change form for the increase pay increase for the GIS GIS specialist to take on the countywide GIS jobs [snorts] and duties. I spoke with Casey. This is what we came up with.

And just to clarify, this is because we're dissolving all the other GIS contracts, third party. Correct. So, is there already money in the in the 26 budget for those contract services that we can slide over for this? Do you know? Sure there is. Actually, I know that there is from my department. Um I I can't speak for the other department. is from planning too I would guess right it should be yeah so planning is a little different they're still still working with civil that's not going to go away um but the the GIS portion of it will

I don't know how much what the dollar amount is but there should be some funding we can move from those accounts over I'm sure more than cover this because we've been paying significantly more than that for So, been paying like 3,000 a month and just for one of those. So, recorder assessor and P&Z, correct? Do we know um from the assessor standpoint? Do you have anything baked into your budget currently? She does. Do you happen to know the dollar amount off the top of your head? So

she's already got another use for that. But if if if I can sweet. So we me and Janelle have talked freeing up this money that was going to the contracted um Jeff Ward GIS that money can be better spent for their departments to better their departments. And so I I I would hope that we wouldn't just take that money away from the departments um until they say otherwise. But just speaking with Janelle, that money can be spent better with her for her department to make her department better.

Does this increase? Does it cover? I I'm not understanding what you're saying. You're saying not take it away from the departments. I'm trying to figure out why what you're speaking to on their departments. We're freeing up the money. Okay. [clears throat] For GIS. I got you. Is paying Jeff Ward. Okay. So freeing up that money, I'm just saying don't look at it as we're just going to take that money and pay this increase for the GIS specialists now in house. I'm saying hear it from the other departments before we take that money away to make sure they they can't use that money elsewhere. Okay. We'll always listen to them, but we just went through our budget. [laughter] No, I understand. Yeah. But so

things change and that's why I'm coming up here now for 26. We didn't know this was going to happen. Now now Sure. No, I I get it. We We agreed upon this when we talked to you last time. I just I didn't know how you were speaking for other departments on don't take their money from them. So and until you talked to them, I think it's correct. Okay. Okay. I have a question. This 4725 that you're asking for That's for this year for 26 is right here for 26. My question is this. Does that include benefits? Because we're seeing the second line for benefits. They're in the second.

The reason the reason why is because we got a whole bunch of extra things in here. Budget change forms for benefits. Why are the benefits changed so much drastically that we did not budget them this year and all of a sudden now, oh, you got to pay more in benefits. There she go. I'm just curious on the same document twice. Sorry. That's on me. I'll find it. And I mean, it's not just pointed at you, Sean. It's all of the departments. I've noticed it in every single one of these that we are all of a sudden, oh, we've got to pay this additional amount in benefits this year. So, how did we screw up in benefits last year in our budget?

So, if I can speak from my office, I know the difference. since me and Casey figured it figured it out

that and before I was even here last year, they hired a a moved an employee from one department to another department. That budget never got included into the recorder's budget. So the difference is because when that employee got moved from one department to the next, the the budget for the benefits and the the pay never got asked for adjusted. So that's why my office is falling short with the benefits and

and in the Q4 budget presentation, she has all that listed with all the reasons And I apologize. It looks like I put the pay increase in the packet twice and did not put the this document in there. Um, and this is the amount of the increase for the benefits. I thought the other one just it had a big X through it. So, I just thought it was a duplicate. Yeah. So, the total is 5700. Just under 5,800. Just over 58. I'm thrilled that we're doing this. So, yeah. Yeah, I think this is a great idea.

I'm just I'm just trying to figure out why we're having so many adjustments on benefits. I don't know on the other ones, but I guess we'll ask. I mean, this one is commiserate with the Yeah, I can understand that. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the uh 2026 budget adjustment for the recorders GIS specialist. Second. Okay, I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Sorry for messing that up in the packet. No, you're good. Okay,

forgiven time of that season. It's the season. Just the season. Okay, BOE, I guess we need to There's one more, Sean. Sean.

Oh, sorry. Um, all right. So, I have brought this up to you guys a few times. We [clears throat] we put this R RFP out a couple months ago. We got it back and the the cost was in our minds was outrageous. So we went back, discussed, we redid the RFP. We localized it into one specific um portion

area portion to hopefully narrow or you know put take the cost down. We got this back and now and we're still sitting at 22,000 for this project. I am here to ask where where do we go from here? How how would you like to This is for 595 ft of boundary. Wow. What was the price before? Like 50. No. 32,000. So, so can can you just explain to me Kate maybe I I I realize we're fighting over a boundary line, right? Or

this is so we we have So, how much money are we talking about? Are we are we are we trying to fight over a boundary line to gain $1,000 or Nope. Um this is a BOE issue. Um Janelle. [clears throat] Yes.

Janelle Walker, Morgan County Assessor. Um it's one thing that we just need to decide what we want to do. Um because it is a cabin. Um it is about $2,000 in taxes. We have it valued about um 160 I can't remember. I don't they're all fall on the top of my head. But so it's $160,000 that we have in value. Um that's with the land and the improvement for the cabin. So we are seeing that the cabin is on Morgan County sideline. Um and so we have it was in the '9s that it was built. And so it's how we want to go forward with that. Do we want to figure out whether that line is where it is or do we want to say you can have it and we'll just save it. Summit County can assess it and we won't assess it.

So, and I think the bigger issue is not the the value amount. I think the bigger issue is that if we let it slide and let Summit County just take pieces and say, "Oh, this is yours." That's not going to stop. Yeah. Unfortunately, because this is not the only piece where they've started to do things like that. a ranch, you've got ranch, you got because this was submitted and if and if we have it done and it's not right. So to my understanding, still on their side. Yeah, you're right. I mean, yeah, it's about that's what we were saying. It's about 560 ft is what we approximating it from where that line is to where it is in Morgan County and where that that cabin sits.

And if we do it and they appeal it then then what? I just I'm just wondering. They are appealing. Yeah. So, right now we're taxing it and Summit County is taxing it to my understanding and these these two can correct me. Why are we having to prove it? Why don't they have to prove it? They have approved it and it wasn't in their county. They say that they're in Summit County. They being the property owner. They being the property owner and the property development. They're saying that it's in Morgan that it is in Summit County and that they want to stay in Summit County. Can they prove that though? So, [laughter] can we force them to approve?

Time out. Okay. So, the this is in here because we submitted for RFP and we got an RFP back. I'm not saying we need to approve it. Being that um we are currently throwing a wrench in their 910 cattle ranch thing and now all of a sudden they want to talk to us. I think we use that as an opportunity because to discuss all of the boundary issues. I say that because right now in no pun intended with the drug dog being here, but it's just a bunch of drug deals. So they're like even Summit County is like, "Oh yeah, that's yours, but if you let us keep it, we'll swap it for this land over here." You're not the lieutenant governor. You don't get to choose where our boundary lines are. So I think um with the head hopefully the headway we make with the other um boundary issues mixed in with the 910 cattle ranch, we have the opportunity of not having to expend this money, but also explain to Summit County, we are not a bunch of dumb hicks. This is our property. And also having that priority bill file of you don't get to own 2,000 acres in Morgan County with a federal grant. Um, I think now that they see that we're going to push back and we're not just going to roll over. If they want ground in Morgan County, they can file with the lieutenant governor for a boundary adjustment. Until then, they can pay taxes and that's kind of where we're at. But we did have to put this in the packet because we did put it out for RFP and we did get a submission. So on this RFP, even though this is only for 600 ft about

and it was 10,000 more to have that whole section subdivision. Yeah. I mean, if we're going to do in my opinion, if we can afford it, is to go and have the whole thing done because it seems to me like Summit County is just plain. That's just that subdivision though. That's just that subdivision. That's not the whole boundary. That's just that's just that area. I I do think this brings up a great point though that Sean brought up recently with us, which was that survey

surveyors cost a tremendous amount of money when you contract with them. I mean, if we're spending $30,000 for a short piece of, you know, one project and we're spending another 30 or $40,000 to to establish section corners. By the time you do a couple of those a year, you could have hired somebody and had them do tremendously more projects and a whole lot. It's a lot more bang for your buck. So, I think that's something that we ought to at least think about if we're and now we know what the cost is to do some of this. Amen.

So, it would not be my recommendation to approve this RFP, but just for transparency, we followed the process. We posted it. We got a submission. The price hurts. I don't feel like it's our price to pay. And at the end of the day, I feel like the ROI isn't there. It's going to take us 20 plus years to capture that back in property taxes. Um, but at the time that we posted this RFP, we didn't have the state listening to us on our 910 cattle ranch issue. So now that I feel like we have a partner in that fight, we have more to work with to drag them being Summit County to the table and say, "Hey, like boundaries are boundaries for a reason. You're neither of us can supersede the LG. Let's Let's plan our own transfer post. No,

I think we would just decline that. I think you just decline it. If I can say one thing, this has been going on since 2006. So, we need definitely need to figure out what to do going forward. Well, they want us to fix that 910 issue yesterday. And I and I and I and I I understand that. But for this in particular, an issue been going on since 2006. So if we don't make a decision tonight, we really need to figure out what we're going to do going forward.

My opinion is is we continue to charge them every single year until some account comes to the table. My opinion. I think I think this brings up the thing as we've discussed before. I mean, when you start to look at, you know, we see it every week, the cost coming through survey or surveyor. It's like, are we now big enough to where I mean, $20,000 to do 600 feet section corners? Do we just look at what the cost is to hire a surveyor and then get way more work done than what we're paying for right now for less money? I I I think that's the direction that we need to look at is, you know, what are we paying for right now and are we going to save money and get way more work done by having an in-house survey? I mean, I'm thinking that's the direction it's leaning. Uh, but I'd like to see the data on that. Like, what are we really spending every year on surveying and what does it cost to get our own surveyor?

And I'm pretty sure it's going to come back. It's cheaper to have somebody here. I think that's But to your issue, you're saying if we decline this, it doesn't make the issue go away. No. Um, I do truly feel like we will have a sit down with summit before the end of the year. Is that Sean? What are your suggestions to [clears throat] solve this? Get a surveyor besides [laughter] hire a surveyor.

Surveyor like in my presentation last commission. We need a surveyor and this this would be taken care of. we wouldn't be having this discussion because it would already be in getting taken care of. So I my recommendation is we get us an in-house surveyor. I can bring you the data. I can bring you anything you want reference to that. But that's my answer. We need a surveyor.

I I just think the data just shows the public that we are looking at the numbers. We're we're justifying what we're doing. Um, I have no doubt that it's going to come back because I mean we see it every week the costs that are coming through. But I just think for the public to see that these are the real costs. This is what it is so that when we make that decision they're not just saying oh there they are just spending more money. So um obviously I mean I I I agree that something needs to happen but I think just for the transparency for the public that we show them the numbers so that we can justify our decision. But I think we do need to move fairly quick and just, you know, get this moving forward. Isn't the property owner inter interested in getting a survey?

No, they want to stay in Summit County. I know, but do they want to prove they're in county? There has been multiple surveys for this issue and along with both directions, but that's where coming from Morgan County, we have no survey. We have nothing to back up saying it's in Morgan County. So the reason So their surveys say it's in Summit County their Morgan their survey has a crow that flies very jaggedly from point to point. It's like

when you see a boundary line it looks like this. This is a pretty distinct Maybe there's a really strong wind gust with that crow flying that day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know that the the entire boundaries of the county have ever necessarily been surveyed. They're they're described, right? Correct. They say they follow the the mountain ridge or whatever. But that's part of the issue is Yeah. Which ridge? Right. And where does so actually having a survey is I guess key to resolving that. You think about what that would cost to really set that line that in one fell swoop would pay for somebody for the year.

Which is why when this was brought up several several several years ago between Summit and Morgan, there was the conversation that each county was going to pay for a survey of the boundary line. Summit County in their endless checkbook went ahead and followed through on that. Morgan County got that bid and we're like, we're good and did not do that. So, could any of this cost fall into the state? Should it? I mean, I guess we could never file a boundary line appeal. Yeah. Yes. To Kate's. That's just going to cost attorneys instead of

But we still have nothing. our site. We have no data. We have no surveys. We have nothing to back us up. So,

I will look up with the LG's office the process of a boundary line appeal because it sounds like we're probably going to have to do that at some point anyway. Um, do you want to do the work of getting an idea on a survey or cost and then we'll bring that to a January commission meeting? Um, we'll still still requesting to decline this bid and then um I'll let you know when we have that meeting with Summit. So, back to the issue and we cannot vote on it tonight because it's not on the agenda, but I think we ought to really bring up the fact that we need to just look for the surveyor. That's my opinion.

That's what she gave him. Yeah, let's get the dollar amount. Mr. Chair, I move that we decline the RFP submission for the summit Morgan County boundary verification survey work. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Any opposed? You'll get with me on that for January. Thanks, Sean. Thanks, Sean. Okay.

Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn the public meeting and convene as a board of equalization. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, we're now board of equalization. Good evening, commissioners. Your first application is from Wendy Louise Canudson. Um, her application is in your packet. Do you have any questions?

I was just the only thing that I thought was odd in there is that they thought the county was giving themselves a raise and trying to Yeah, new ways to up their salary. I I don't get that one. But can you help us with this a little bit more? Give us a little bit more background on this cuz I Why is this so confusing? I I'm not understanding that. Why Why were they so confused? The assessor's office um actually communicated with them previous to filing this. So I asked Janelle to be here.

We got a strange notice in the mail about some [snorts] rebate on taxes. So in 2024, how she's saying that it's primary resident. It actually wasn't a primary resident. It was a lot. And then for 2025, we placed the house on. So the improvement went on for 2025. Um at 100%. It wasn't on primary because we haven't gotten the residential exemption. Uh we did send a few of them out. And um as she's saying, you know, with the mail and all of this that she didn't get it, she actually reached out to us. We have an email from Holly um on August um 1st which is still in the process of the BOE. Um it is open still and she never responded back of she said that she would be getting back and getting to the appeal. So um Holly stated that she would have to go through the appeal process to have that changed and that did not happen. So, we responded to her and let her know the process and she said she would get back to us.

Yep. And didn't Well, she did not appeal. Um, so she didn't get the information to whether she appealed. She still had till September 15th is the deadline. So, I don't I don't see where this particular individual met the requirements for postponement. Unfortunately,

Jared, can you just remind us just another Yeah, another way of saying that is she doesn't fall within one of the exceptions where you can reopen the BOE. um anything. It is actually if you go back up to the to there. Oh, nope. Just slightly up. It It talks It has all of the exceptions listed on the BOE form. Nope. Right there. Keep going back up where you were before. Sorry. [laughter]

Sorry. There you go. So right there it says the board of equalization will accept a late file the request for review of locally assessed property if it can show that the county by its act or failure to act interfered with your right to notice hearing county's record contain a factual error medical emergency death or another extraordinary and unanticipated circumstance occurred during the board of equalization period and prevented you and any coowner from filing an appeal by the filing deadline. Then it talks about which at the last meeting where we were talking about these failure of US Postal Service um isn't in and of itself enough. They would have to show that we addressed it wrong and all of the Utah State Tax Commission opinions are of that. They support that. So once again, if there is no exception, you can deny the request and it can still go to the state for the state to correct any anything that we did wrong here. But if there's no exception, that's where my recommendation is to not open it up because then you open it up for everyone who doesn't fall under an exception.

So um but they can go to the state and the state. They always can. If it's denied, it'll go to the decision. But they're good for next year, right? As a primary. Sorry, I just wanted to capture that on Mike. Yes, she has since filled out the application and is good for 2026. Yes, she has filled it out. And for 26, she does have primary. Okay, I'll look.

We need to make a motion on each one. Is that what we need to do? Okay. I move that we decline to have CR25-22- BOE as a late appeal request. I'll second the motion. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Ferrell, a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor?

I. Are there any opposed? Okay. Motion is unanimous. Your next application is from Brooks Forelius. Um he selected three different reasons why he wants this late appeal um opened. Um that is in your packet. Do you have any questions? I believe Garrett's recap email was that there's more than one owner of record on this parcel. Correct. That's correct. Okay.

There's actually four. And so, um, the two owners of record include Brooks and his wife. I I think that, you know, there could be an argument made for the medical emergency. However, um, a birth in and of itself isn't an emergency when it's anticipated for quite some time. However, there were some complications at the end and so arguably there could be. However, when it when it says prevented you and any co-owners from filing an appeal by the filing deadline and there's two others that were not involved with the pregnancy that could be argued as a medical emergency given the the nature at the end. I think that that's where it makes it really difficult to follow it to find it within an exception because there's two additional owners that were not at the hospital. They also had a whole month that appealed before that because we get them on the 22nd of July and this is 24th of August. So, so when there's multiple [clears throat] owners of record, do we send multiple notices or we we send a single notice? The issue is that you could have multiple there's multiple people available that could have come and the appeal.

Yes. And we send it to the address that they give us uh through the recorder's office. So that is the address that it's sent to. So all the disclosures and with the primary residential exemptions, that's the the address we use is what they have on file. So the four property owners made the decision of what mailing address all notices would go to. Yes. Then they do that through their title. When they do um they do their title work. Yep. When they do the title work, it says remitted to and then it will have the address. And in this situation, it went to these folks here that have to to Brooks. Uh it went to his his address. So it did not the other two owners didn't never got Correct.

Yep. Correct. But at the I think what they're saying is at time of closing they decided that the Brook was the address they wanted. for notice. But he's also saying in saying, "Oh, sorry, never mind. That's the the additional owners."

Yeah, [clears throat] they also did say that they had a hard time getting that that their mailing was incorrect cuz they actually live in the Rome subdivision. Um, so that is also something, but through the board of equalization, it actually states that the postal uh service is not one of the conditions of why it could be opened or closed. I'm gonna make a comment that's probably not popular on that. The county had to get involved with the Rome addressing issue. Granted, the issue stemmed from the developer themsel mislabeling the lots and the addressing got messed up and they had to re-record the plat and then they recorded the plat incorrectly and then they had to redo it again. Um, so there is documentation. Granted, it was on the developer side, not county error, that there was huge issues with Rome.

We go after that developer. I mean, they can just cost. We just like you to make hard decisions. Yeah.

But even if it is denied, it still has the right to be able to go to the state. So, I mean, I don't know that it qualifies as a medical emergency, extraordinary or unanticipated circumstances. But you've got a month's worth of time to do.

Yeah. And the other ones that we've had just I guess for that purpose of of the post office is we have had others that were denied um because of the post office space that didn't that wasn't relevant to the other. Well, and it's clear here. I mean, it specifically says that the post office is not a reason,

right? I think I'm just stating that because if the applicant if the commission decides to deny and the applicant wants to take it to the state and wants to grandma us for that email history between Rome and the attorney's office and myself and the post office. I don't know if the state tax commission will take that into consideration that there was clearly an error, not a county error, but clearly an error and to the point where the postal service pretty much stopped giving mail to Rome. We can go on the place too though that they can still go on to the website or they can call any of us and get their tax roll. So

there is there is some space of that but there's also another space where you can come in and anytime get a tax roll and we can give you that information. That being said pre-exam preeacclampsia can be a medical emergency. Yeah. It can cause gestational diabetes. It can cause high blood pressure. Is that what they said happened? Oh I didn't realize that. Okay. In the mom causing death having had it. It [clears throat] can be a medical emergency. if I can see where they're coming from if they're I don't know if they're first- time parents or not, but if you're first time dad I don't know how dads feel, but I don't know how moms feel. Yeah. Um so, and I think it does qualify under that. Yeah.

And she was hospitalized. I I do know that when when you're having a issue in your family, you taxes aren't the first thing that comes to your mind. laying in bed going, "Hey, I think my taxes are due or I should have filed for that or whatever." So, I could I could go either way on this because I I probably would air on their side on this one myself, but yeah, I just want to be fair across the board and consistent. I think I think it is consistent though if we if we can identify the specific portion of it that does qualify as a exemption. and so be it. Right. And in their eyes, this is an emergency. Yeah. Well, and

it is

absolutely. I mean, I had a cousin that lost triplets because of preclampsia and has a daughter with some severe problems because of that. And so, I mean, I see it the first two weeks of September was being monitored daily and then the last two weeks was hospitalized. I mean, I I think the last thing on their mind is, are my taxes getting paid on time? Or, you know, I I mean, the post office, the addressing, I think that's another legit thing. The addresses were a mess. But I I kind of see this as I can see where they're not focused on anything else. So, I Mr. Chair, I'm going to move that we approve um Sorry, I put my page here. We approve CR25-23-BOE, the late appeal request by Brooks Ford.

Second. [snorts] Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson, second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Chair, uh, your next presenter. Granted, we have um I think we need to go out of BOE, right? Mr. I move that we um close the BOE meeting and reconvene the public commission meeting. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Ferrell. All in favor? I I Okay, we're now back as a commission.

Uh so we have August Granith that met with us um on the December 2nd meeting. He is online. We have Sher Stevens from the Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity here in the audience. Um, this is the recap of what was presented last commission meeting. Um, Commissioner Blocker did email today and ask for a change. I've heard the changes made, but I haven't got an updated document. Do you know what the status of that is, Sherry? Yes, please. I also sent one too today. Uh, the only one I saw was You didn't see it. I'm sorry. Okay. I should have done it through the same channel, but I didn't. Uh, August, can you hear us?

Cool. Sherry, go ahead.

So, good evening. Sherry Stevens with the Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity. Um, August should be online and able to hear and join in. um afterwork session on December 2nd, we were able August and I were able to meet and make um additions to the um rural blueprint economic plan based on input and feedback from commission. Um [clears throat] Commissioner Blocker's input has been added. Um, Commissioner Ferrell's has been added but may not be included in the packet because it came in today.

So, we added it later this evening. Um, it is in the final revision economic plan. If you'd like to know what that was, it was the fact that we've been working with I have been working with Weaver County and Davis County about the trail going down through the canyon and WFRC. And so in the parts where it was talking about infrastructure, that's where I brought that up. And uh Commissioner Blocker, do you want to speak to yours as well since it's not since it was today and therefore wasn't in the packet for the public? Yesterday or was it yesterday? Yesterday. Yeah. Um and and it's in the packet, but addressing the I didn't see

Snow Basin Road. Yay. Hi, Grant. August. Sorry, I almost call you gran is okay great. Sorry, I was I was trying to speak earlier but wasn't going through it. Um, so you I have addressed commission block comment um in the initial revision before the meeting. Okay,

it's under goal two strategy 2 project two. Exact fund which is quote work with UD do to explore the possibility of developing strawberry road access to snowbased resorts to increase private development tax revenue county side of the resort unquote that is in the packet on page 15 of the blueprint um I added since to a version of the blueprint that is not in the packet an additional project 03 strategy 2 project number 10 to address commissioner back roll's um suggested the vision uh project is is described as quote trail to connect Morgan Davis and counts through unquote um other than that we made provisions as recommended by the commission [clears throat] at last meeting and should be ready for adoption uh based off commission input.

So when August will I receive the updated document? Um I I can send that right now. [clears throat] Thank you. I'd love that. And that way I can get it autographed tonight if it's passed by commission. So the what's in the packet already has commissioner blockers. All we're adding is goal three um [clears throat] project. You said 10, but did you mean project three? Goal two, project 10. Okay.

Okay. Goal three. Project two. Strategy 10. It is an addition. Okay. So, so is that different than nine? Yeah. Yeah. This is going down towards the one's going over. Gotcha. I like what you've done. It's very nice. We can just snap our fingers and have it all done. And we appreciate the and the money in our bank. Yeah. [laughter]

Yeah. And we appreciate the governor's office allowing us to apply for this this free program. This is great. Thanks for all the work. Yeah. Now all we need is the money to go along with making all this stuff work. [laughter] from the governor's office. Okay. I'll look for a motion. I move that we accept the blue, what's it called? Um, rural economic blueprint. Rural economic blueprint. Economic blueprint CR 25-66. Um, with the additions that we've made tonight. I'll second it.

Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Ferrell and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you, Shar. Thank you. Thank you so much. Came up here all just for that. Thank you. Thanks, August. Okay, it's 6 o'clock. Um, looks like it looks like F. Um if it looks like F eight

eight um everyone got the word on that? If anyone's here for F8 public hearing on on the reszone or the thirst and reszone um that will has been postponed. So but it looks like everybody's got the memo. So, we'll go to F6. Or do you want to do F7? Seven. Lesie, you're standing. Go ahead. Thank you. Way to butt in line. [laughter] Sorry about that. [laughter]

I am here seeking approval of quarter 4 um budget amendments resolution CR2560. This resolution will be will be making department adjustments, fund balance adjustments, grants received for flood disaster, economic development, fairgrounds and fire and other fund adjustments. Um you will notice that on page three there are some highlighted um accounts that are on the screen. Um those have not been before you because we are at year end and I went through the budget and realized we some of our departments were going to go over. Um you were talking previously about some of the benefits. Why are they going over? You need to remember that you budget very strictly for benefits. Um we do not plan for family plan for every department. So, if there's a change in an apartment and that person, that employee takes family benefits, it's going to it's going to affect our budget. All right? We usually don't worry about it till the end of the year so we know a better idea of how much money we're looking at. Instead of just fixing it at the first, we just clean it up at the end. And so, that's why you're seeing those. I just want you to be aware you have not approved those previously. So, I wanted you to know that. I do want to apologize to Leslie because when I reviewed the budget, hence all those changes that you approved um last meeting, I did not look at payroll lines. I only looked at um budgetary lines. I did not look at pay and benefits. I think that will be a topic of discussion at our next department head meeting of department heads need to watch their benefits and their wages and we need to, you know, know if there's a problem. I have a lot going on and I can't watch

everything. So, [laughter] um, I also made a wording change on page one under attorney. Attorney Smith asked me if I would make a wording change and it will now read budget adjustment re redesating funds from code rewrite. So, I just kind of rewarded what I had there. Um, I wanted you to be aware I did make that change. So instead of the 40,000, it's just 20 now. No, it was all the amount's still the same. I'm just changing the wording where it says budget adjustment to cover the code rewrite. Yeah,

it's now it now says um budget adjustment redesating funds from the code rewrite. So it's just a little bit [snorts] different. So, it's not covering the code rewrite. It's coming back from the code rewrite. So, that was the confusion. But I think what you're asking about, Commissioner Fackerel, is that there was 40,000 initially. It doesn't require a budget adjustment to come to this body because to go to non-EP departmental, it's in the same um Yes, you're right. Whatever that's called. It's within the same department. Department. Thank you. I was going to say most of these are all within the same department. Correct. But they're just moving them.

I was being OCD and wanted to make sure that was being OCD. [clears throat] Yes. Wanted [laughter] to not giving her any excuses to find and I understand these grants you you just didn't have them until later. So I understand that. Or did you? Grants we usually have on every quarter because we never know if we're going to get them or not. And we until we're for sure we're going to get them. We're not going to budget for them. So, you'll see grants on every budget adjustment, which is a good thing. Did I answer all your questions? Okay. Thank you, Lesnie.

I move that we go into public hearing. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Fel and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I any opposed? Okay, we're now in public hearing. Any of the uh public would like to come forward and share any thoughts. Okay, seeing none, I'll look for a motion. Move to go out of public hearing. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Ferrell and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

Mr. Mr. Chair, I move we approve county resolution CR25-60, fourth quarter amendments to the county's 25 fiscal year budget. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you, Leslie. Um, now it starts up over again.

Okay. On F6. So this is your meeting schedule tentative if approved. Um it's matches what we did this last year with the not having a meeting the first meeting week in November because of elections and moving that back one week to October 27th. Um just to recap the reason we don't move it forward a week is because that's USAC. So good. Okay, still would not be sad if we cancelled the August 4th meeting since 90% of us are at the fair. But here's your tentative commission.

If we did, I would say that we put it to next week. See on the agenda when we get close and we can change it then. Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve uh CR25-62 Morgan County 2026 commission meeting calendar. I'll second it. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I opposed. Okay. The next one, this is the planning commission calendar that was approved Thursday by the planning commission.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve CR25-6363, the Morgan County 2026 planning commission meeting calendar. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed.

And then this one did not make it into the packet. That's uh her fancy colored one because she was unsure what you guys would decide on for the October meeting. Hold on. Um, but this is our our payroll calendar, commission meeting calendar, and holiday schedule, which does match. I did get with the uh city this year to make sure that our closed dates match their closed dates, and they do.

That's good. Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve CR 25-64 Morgan County 2026 holidays and payroll calendar. Second it. Okay, I have a motion motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay, we have F9. I need a motion to postpone as per Garrett. Mr. Chair, I move that we postpone F9. [clears throat] We have a date F9 or F8. Well, F8. F9.

Oh, F9. Sorry. F8 is postponed already. Uh I would just postpone to the next meeting, right? Okay. To Great. January 6th is what I understood. Yeah. Um that was just in his email.

Yes. I just want to make a comment that this is another reason why it's important that contracts not go directly to a commissioner because the reason we didn't have it is it was going to um Robert McConnell. So um luckily I got into Jared's email for um something else and was able to get a bunch of other notifications um forwarded over to us. Um, but that's that's why it's important that these I like at least come to the attorney or myself is I can't help it if you guys don't agree with me. We'll read him the right that calendar the holiday and payroll. He made a motion. You need a second?

Yeah, I do. Second that. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson to postpone F9 and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Any any opposed? Okay. Did you have Ray Lane? Oh, she just need me to send that document for the payroll calendar. [laughter] Did we um already postpone? I think we did F8, right? Or did we have a motion on that? I don't think we did have a motion. We better do that. I think it was [clears throat] at the request of the applicant. Do we need to then do a motion? Okay.

And it would just be to an indefinite date. I think they'll have to renotice because they I think they're coming back with a new plan. So, Mr. Chair, I move that we postpone F8 thirst and reszone indefinitely. [laughter] Or or to to a date not certain to to a date. I said indefinitely. I'll [laughter] second it. Definitely. The best I can for eternity. Go ahead. That's what [laughter] the neighbors will want. I was going to say indefinitely would make it. Okay. So, I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson. And who did I have a second? Blocker. Commissioner Blocker for a second. All in favor? I I. Any opposed?

Just to clarify for the our meeting clerk, the word indefinite is struck.

Yeah. [laughter] Um okay so F10 um this is the your so we have hired a or the state has hired a fire warden their first day was uh last Monday and this is the appendix A to the fire warden agreement that speaks to um salary and I included that um email I thought conversation in there. No, just kidding. I did not. Um so this is obviously much less than we were paying our our current because he's not as tenured.

This is good news. So in something within this, we were talking about a vehicle we have to get for him. What happened to the old vehicle?

We uh it's not part of this agreement. It's a discussion that the state and I are going to have next uh I think the 10th of January. Um the fire warden is assigned one of our brush trucks which is a diesel. This gentleman lives like an hour away and that doesn't make that very conducive um to drive a brush truck, diesel brush truck that many miles. Um, so we're gonna discuss it. Um, but I'm probably gonna push back a lot if they want a temporary one that's not in the fire season. We have our floating fleet, but I'm about to go into sorry legislative session and I'd really like to keep that here. So that is not part of the agreement. We're not agreeing to anything to do with the fleet vehicle in this document. That conversation is happening after the first of the year.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve appendix A to the county fire wardens agreement setting salary and benefits. Second. You got it. I don't need it. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Motion carries.

I do have two quick updates if I can sneak those in. Um, so the first one is the WOOI. I don't guys read that email. Um that was it's been on the agenda like three times and the state keeps taking it back to change language. The last email just to clarify with them um hey we haven't signed a a WUI agreement for the end of like for the next year. They are expecting that to come sometime January of next year. That is why we have not passed one by the end of this year. Um because they have not approved their own language. Um secondly, um I did bring forth the county's application to reszone the rifle range. We had our planning commission meeting um last Thursday. We did request as the applicant to table that conversation because we got a lot of really good questions and feedback um that we're definitely going to need to flush out. Um so we requested to postpone that um item to the first meeting in February with an additional public hearing.

Kate, you did great at that meeting.

In the interim, we I have two pages of notes from our public um that are awesome and I need to flush out and ask questions uh or get answers to those questions. Um, Commissioner Nick Gerson uh recommended that we have a sitdown conversation with the commission and um Randy Watt, one of your planning commissioners who has a lot of experience in rifle range remediation and EPA, which I think is a awesome idea. Also, something that came up as a suggestion in the public hearing was um being that we have a community board for the airport and for parks and trails, um a board for the rifle range itself and its future and and that plan as well before anything's decided. They would love a community board for that as well. So, something for the commission to consider. But, um working on deep diving on some some EPA records. Regardless, we're already working with the EPA cuz as you're since I've only been here since January of last year, I don't know the last time that that property was remediated andor groundwater testing to make sure that we're keeping the community safe. So whether we keep the rifle range where it is or we reszone it with the intent of moving it at some point, we're definitely going to need to do some EPA testing up there just to make sure we're keeping the public safe. So that is in the works as well. So uh expect that's my recap of that meeting. Um I will send you my recap notes as well. Um I have I had an amazing email um from one of the gentlemen that was there. It was very detailed of hey can I get clarification on these questions which is the bulk of what I had in there. So I'll probably just CC you on that on that response. Um but I have a lot of research to do. So very very big turnout for that. A lot of people that are very passionate about your record.

And Mike and I got sent the history of the rifle range. Oh, I would love we can I'll pass that along. Trying to check down. Um, and I do need a close session for land acquisition and disposition. I think is what it's called. Both, isn't it? You have to say it's both. Okay. Either or. Yeah. Commissioner Blocker.

Um I won't bore you with the many many there were this last two weeks, but um just want to say coming to the end of my first year of service that it's been an honor serving with you guys, getting to know you and all everyone in the county building. I think you're all amazing and you you really serve with with all your heart and you really care about this community and your family, men and women, and you really you're putting it all out there. So, thank you for enriching my life this year and I look forward to the the next three years. I know.

Okay, Commissioner New. Um couple of updates from Wasatch Integrated Waste, which is our our solid waste trash and recycling provider. Um they did apply for and have been awarded a federal grant. It's called Swiffer Grant, which is a solid waste infrastructure for recycling grant. Um they plan to use that to expand the compost facility. Um they will expand curbside organics collection and also launch a contamination detection pilot program for contamination from the landfill itself. So um it's it's a fairly large grant. Um I believe several million dollars. So it's a it's a big deal for the district. They're excited about that.

Um you said part of that was the curbside like I'm assuming grass clippings. What did you call it? Uh they call it organics. organics. Now, Morgan County and Morgan City don't currently participate in organics collection. Um, it's something we could consider. I my my argument to them has always been that my grass goes over the fence into the cow and not I don't need a can for that. Um, there are areas, however, within Morgan County and Morgan City that that probably could use that type of collection. I will put a plug in that if you would like to do that um you can bring it here to the the transfer station in Morgan City there next to the river and they will take your

your organics. Yeah. And lots of people do. So the grass clippings are free. It's free for grass clippings um and branches. And branches. Branches are not free. Well, small stuff. When did they do that one of these? Oh, I have paid a lot for branches. small organics are are free. The problem we had with branches is that because everything's transferred.

One guy had fill up the entire bin and it cost us a couple hundred dollar every time we transfer one of those bins down. And so we used to burn it over there. We stopped doing that several years ago. But yeah, grass clippings, uh, weeds, leaves, that sort of thing, they'll take for free here. or so if you have those. And then those go down onto a compost pad down in Leighton. That pad is an arration pad. So it it shoots air up into the into the compost. So they don't have to turn it. They actually just shoot air into it and then apply water and then it it creates compost and then then they resell that compost in there. So, um I was going to say there's also a a farmer in the area, not me,

[clears throat] uh that will take grass clipping if anybody wants to bring them up in Porterville. In Porterville, say there's probably a few that'll do that if you Yeah, I mean, they can go to the transfer station and scoop. There's so much there. I was going to say they can't if it doesn't get there on the day they cut it then you get mold and then there's a problem. Yeah. You got so you've got to do it that first day because that farmer will go and he'll actually spread it out like hay to try to or else he'll take it directly to the cows that need it. Don't dump it over your face horses. No. Yeah. Don't put it in the horses. Don't put it in cows, not horses. Cows are fine. Sheep are fine. It's illegal. Just Okay. Blank.

Sorry. The other thing I was just going to inform you is that um I I will be serving as the chair of Wasach Integrated Waste for 2026. Congrats. So that's that's good. And I to my knowledge that's the first time since the district was created in 1980 something that Morgan County has had a [clears throat] a representative as the chair. Typically it's Davis County because all of the entities are in Davis County. So I'm excited about that. We'll be good. Good. So that's it. Chair, can I make one more comment?

I did want to make you aware of this from one of my policies during committees. Jill Kofford is running a bill that um will make general plans a final binding document. Um UAC does not support this. I don't either. I mean that would make it difficult to negotiate our development agreement. So UAX's against that, but she's been pushing. No, it doesn't have a number yet, but it doesn't have a pre-file, but it's on the on the radar. Is Carrie on that radar? I do not know. Can you Can you email me? We need We need to have maybe with Carrie. Yeah, he's on your first agenda in January.

Thanks for watching out for that though, Ray. I'm glad you you noticed. Yeah, that's a bad one. That's a real bad one. Not that we think that the general plan shouldn't inform what we do, but if it becomes the code, there's no point in having a code. That's a problem. Well, there's always adjust. Yeah. Yeah. Things change. Change. Absolutely. I've seen that the last 10 to 20 years. Yeah. Um, who was pushing that? Jill Kofford. Oh, she's Yeah, she's down. Yeah. on the hill there signs on the hill going up.

Have you already said what you were going to? I'm no [laughter] your turn. Okay, if you want me to not say anything. Well, you just kept No, [laughter] you just I just had I had questions for the person that's given the report. Gotcha. Okay. Um, I'm still curious whether or not we got the TRT report into the state auditor yet. Um, Wesley, Kate, anybody [laughter] because we're not getting any money. Yes, we are. If we are, they've threatened us without I'm aware. Okay. I've been talking is it done before they start harping on me again?

Okay. And me, we have turned it in. However, I hate that this is on YouTube. Um, there is a person that works in that department that has been given free range that has taken basic reports and made them absolutely ridiculously hard to turn in. We have turned in the documentation that is required to us by the state. However, their new person who's not new, this person that's been given free range now requires that we use their format which includes we have to for this TRT report list every dollar that we have spent in remediation on trash, solid waste, uh

portaotties, public safety, emergency evac on tourists and we have to split that out between tourism, locals and outofstate. hate tourists. Thank you, Jesus. So, it got kicked back and we have till the end of the year to turn that in. We can guesstimate percentages, but I'd be lying. We would ever know. I would be lying. I don't know how many people use the portaotti tagerts that are from out of state.

Yeah, we don't know that. So, if you could pass that on to the state auditor just like all our other reports where they have taken a basic report that is honestly part of our financial statement anyway if they want the data and stop adding [clears throat] 17 pages to it of information that doesn't matter. So, how did the other counties do it? Because we're the only ones that have not. We did turn it in, but they want more data just like we turned in what's the other. Are they just guesstimating? Yes, maybe they did.

Oh, we've been picked on plenty. We just got an email. Jeremy got an email, what, two weeks ago, that they wanted all of our PIDs attached to our financial statement, and we're out of compliance because none of our PID financial documents were attached to our financial statement since 2021. There is nothing in the state statute that requires us to attach a PID, which it has to file with the state on its own document. There's nothing saying we have to attach that to our financial statement. It's not our obligation. Okay. So, they they being the attorney's office have drafted a lovely 12-page document that pretty much says, uh-uh. Okay. I was just curious because I've been getting calls for it. So, I was just curious what was happening.

Okay. I mean, last year, I know they did that and me on it, too, and we just lumped it all together and not all I turned in exactly what I turned in last year, but now there's five more pages. Can we have a a conversation with the bureaucr [laughter] PhD that has decided that they also need all this other data?

All right. The other thing I had was um just this came from the tourism state tourism board last week um or last Friday. Basically they says that um surprisingly that the Airbnbs, VBOs's and those kind of things supposedly uh according to their data is actually less now than hotels. So hotels are starting to increase and get more people in them than VR, you know, than the VRBOs as far as they know because I don't think we know where all of our Airb Airbnbs are in this county

because we're not allowed to look it up by state statutes. And the other thing within that they says the number one request if anybody ever comes to the state to any location is they want to have fast internet and that is a problem in our county and right now we don't know what's going on. It's all head fed up or fed up. It's at the feds. So we don't have anything on that and that is a detriment. Of course, our one hotel does have fast internet, so that helps. And then, of course, their emphasis this year is still on astro tourism and agurism. So, those are the main things I took away from that one. And I just want to report um since nobody else has. Um it was a great hometown Christmas. I don't know who was there. I know Railene was there. I was there. Um a lot of people Yeah, I saw you guys there. Um It was a great one. There was not as many people there, which is surprising. Um,

doesn't feel like Christmas. Yeah, that's it. It didn't feel like Christmas. So, we need to buy and I mean the sheriff was there with his Grinch and that was great, too. And uh, thank you for arresting the Grinch, Corey. [laughter] That was last year. I thought you had it this year. I asked if there was one this year, and they said it was down at the other end. Oh, okay. All right. So, anyway, it was um I think it was a good event. It's just not enough people here this year. Of course, I didn't stay till the end either. So, it was cold.

There were several other events going on that day. There was a big wrestling event down in Fillmore and there was some other high school sports stuff going on. So, that took people away in uh just a reminder that your parcel fabric where we're combining all the maps into one goes live one January. Um, we have discussed extra layers to that including secondary water and broadband. Okay. FYI. Okay. So, I need to get with you. Need to get with Charles. Okay. All right. That's all I had. Keep going. Speaking of, sorry not to interrupt this too much, Raen. Do you have much contact with Mountain Green Elementary by chance?

I don't have any kids in there anymore. Do you need me to do something? No, I just was thinking one of the things that they do at the hometown Christmas to try to get people there is have the kids perform. Oh, yeah. And so Morgan Elementary's been doing that for a number of years, they they have the fourth graders come over and sing a few songs. Or maybe it's third graders. I don't remember. I should know this because my wife's the music teacher, but they [laughter] don't. Um anyway, that may be something that we could start trying to get or they could do from the play that they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it it they don't have to do anything special for it. Just come and perform. It gets parents and families to come and spend some time. It's a good idea. If you happen to bump into them, maybe

it's fourth grade. My wife just informed me. [laughter] Is she watching? She's she's watching. I was going to say, yeah, you [snorts] haven't got on the text list yet. [laughter] I'm not on the text. Okay. Do you want us to register ourselves for the BOE classes? Uh that's on your It's part of the January um commission agenda. But do you want us to register? You're totally welcome to. There's no cost or anything, right? It's just and I don't know your guys' schedule, but they're all over the state. Yeah. So, I I love that they're requiring us to take two full days in the middle of a week of training.

You're like, I don't have a full-time job. This is not our full-time job. [laughter] Yeah, but Janelle gets paid to be there. I don't. We get to We get to go take time off our normal jobs to do this. So, I can call and ask Tammy again about having our have them nightly in the night because it's what she said in the thing. If they're willing to do a nighttime, I would rather do that, you know, even if it took four nights of four hours a piece instead of I I mean, I don't mind. We all take off work to do county stuff from time to time, but I would rather that time be spent doing something in the county, not a training.

It's for the county. It's for the county, but you know, I take off time for the county fair. We take off time for other events and other things. We [clears throat] take off time to do the county budget. I It's a lot. Yep. I will call NAS

you up. So, a couple of things. Um, just on the rifle range, it was a a very good meeting. I think we've all gotten phone calls and texts [clears throat] and emails about that. Um, with the remediation, I have been in contact with Ogden Gun Club. They have a there are companies that will come and basically look at how much lead is on the surface and they will come and basically wind row the material and then they'll do either a dry or a wet sift to remove all that lead and contaminate. Um, it's no cost. They just figure out what it's worth and then we split them the lead. Um, when they sell the lead, we get a portion of it. So, um, the president of the gun club was out of town last week. So, I'm reach out I've reached out to him, left him a message. He's going to call me back this week.

But you say they do that about every five. Uh Ogden Gun Club does it every six to seven years. And I said I think it's been about forever on us. [laughter] So, um I think it would just be good to have them come out. It might be worth a million bucks. It could be a [laughter] million dollars in lead. So, um maybe it'll pay for that thrower that you guys bought.

So, as I as I get that information, I'll bring that back. Um, as far as when they'll be around to be able to look at at the the gun club or the range, I should say. Um, let's see. Weed board, we had our first meeting this last week and unfortunately Smokeoky has to step down basically after our first meeting with family problems. So, we'll be looking for a new I guess we'll get that posted and uh get a new weed board member. They did have a couple of thoughts that came from the board that I said I would bring here and that is um just kind of one of the biggest one of the issues that they see is as development starts they clear the ground and then it just is explodes with weeds and the request would be how would we go [snorts] forward whether that be in our in our code or what we can do to put that on the developer that they need to maintain the weeds as they develop their property because that's one of the big issues they Another one was that they're looking into is how the contact is made with Union Pacific and UD do um which is through our weeds supervisor which is Joel. They're going to get us the contact information for UD do and the railroad as far as taking care of their weeds um paying for the the spray or or how they do that. So, um, we want to hit that early this year and try to get with Union Pacific and UD do to try to maintain that. The other thing was as far as the county goes is maintaining our right of way is that we are spraying ours and so that people aren't looking and say, "Well, the county doesn't take care of theirs." So, those are the the the big things that kind of came forward. Joel talked about the spray equipment that we have. Um, and it's like, is is it up to, you know, I guess you have to be certified to spray make sure that we're in compliance, that everything is on the up and up. Notification to property owners

so that their horses or cows aren't near where we're spraying to kind of let them know that we will be out and about so that we're not liable for dead livestock and animals. So, we do have an active board that is moving along. Uh I think they're kind of excited to see something happen within the county and working u with land owners. Uh, one of their ideas to get the notice out to the majority of of the people that use the ditch companies and water companies is to use those ditch and water companies to get this information, to get this ordinance sent out to all of those people so they understand uh what is expected of our our land owners. um and uh the opportunity to be reimbursed for a certain amount of uh spray or chemical to help treat their their areas that that can be done through the conservation district. And that is uh they have a $10,000 grant from the [snorts] state and uh applications are available for our land owners to to they'll they will reimburse up to $200 worth of chemical. So they can get that through the conservation district. Um, and that also brings up a good point and Commissioner Blocker did this a couple weeks ago. Um, but just on all boards, if you have someone that needs to resign or step down, we just need it. The clerk auditor's office has to have some type of documentation, whether that's an email, whether it's a text message, whether it's in writing. We just need something in writing that's from that person requesting to be removed from the board so that we have that documentation as they were appointed by quorum resolution. So, and I I forward that on to the we board. I was not aware of that at the time. So, I forward that on. So, we'll get that from Smokey and get that taken care of.

Take a farmer post. It just might be on a 3x4 or something. There you go.

Okay. Just want to let the uh [clears throat and cough] those out there in the on our um in the county know that uh Dave Rich and Boyd Carrian have retired. They had a retirement party last week. I think it was well attended. I had to leave early, but um appreciate their service. Um I know all of us appre appreciate their service. And Dave, our fire marshal as well. I don't um they've all done a great great job. So appreciate them. Um just FYI, Logan Wild was appointed to the Weaver Basin as our representative there. Copy of that. He didn't send me one. Okay.

Scott didn't. I'll get with one with the state. So that's the Weaver Basin Water Board Conserv. That's super long. Weaver Basin Water Conservatory District. Um, I just have two concerns that too that I' I'd like to get on something that we can discuss um sooner than later and that's the STRs because I think they could get really out of control [clears throat] where we're having people advertise them as their way of selling properties now. Oh, cute.

Um, that's I don't think what we want. So, trying to build affordable housing and we're advertising our affordable housing as STR. Secondly, um I had a a discussion today with someone about the or airport. I don't know how we handle this, Garrett, but we can't have people selling and reselling and reselling hangers before we even um know what's going on. And we and if they do, we can terminate the lease.

Yeah. And we've we've got one of those right now that has sold it and she and the new person has got it up for sale already and it hasn't even transferred from the first person. And so I I don't know how we deal with that, but I think we need to let them know that that's that can't happen. I can send them a letter saying that we're terminating the lease unless they cure within 30 days or something. I guess they return the money to the person that that sold they sold it to. Yeah. they want to come and get prior written consent, which is what's required under section four of the lease. I I can't quote it, but I know exactly where it is in every lease, and it requires prior written consent of the commission.

Okay. And and the the other concern I have is is that um it's a it's not a commodity. It's something that's extremely rare and people it's becoming very valuable and we're I think we need to look at the the rules and regulations again of what we were what that was originally meant for. Um people are starting to ask insane amounts of money for those hangers and we're leasing them property for nothing. And so if if if that's what I I think we needs to come back to that was meant for our community and we're having out of town people come in buy them and flip them and flip them and flip them and it's just it's going to get it to a point where people in our community can't even afford to to have a hanger down there. So

and in theory the assessment should go up if they keep selling them for more and more money, right? I mean that and and in theory that would raise the assessment on everybody if they keep doing that. So it it behooves everyone that has a a hanger there to ensure that that's not occurring. And that's what I that's what I told this person today. I said this is this is going to come back to bite everybody at that airport if if you guys don't start standing up and saying no. Has this person been in contact with the airport board?

Probably reach out. So, it goes back to my my question five years ago. Why are we leasing it for such a little amount? Well, it was to help our community. I know. But it is part of our fee study. Okay. Anyway, okay. That could you let me know? I will let hanger number or someone so that I can get that letter drafted. Thank you. I will. And Mr. J, when you're done, may I

I think um hopefully everybody got to listen to the rifle range thing because it it was a good it was a good discussion. Um, I wish like I tried to nip it in the bud as much as I could with anybody that contacted me that yes, we have people had people approach us, but we've always always said we will not sell that without

having something given to us by them. They have to find the property. We aren't going to do it. So, and so I don't know how this room full of people got the impression that we were just doing this to sell the property and get her going. So, but it it it spiraled out of control fast. I didn't even think that would be an issue to tell you the truth. But they came up with a lot of good ideas. It did. It did. And and situations we should be looking at as a county with the safety and stuff. Okay. Bla. Carrie's here. Hey, look who's here. Car's here. Um

just emailed you. The only thing is is um Von and I attended a meeting today with Senator Curtis. Do you want to go and explain [clears throat] what you asked or because you did a good job. Senator Cruz. Curtis Curtis. Curtis Curtis. Senator Cruz.

Um so yes, so there's a what do you call a task force kind of a regional task force and I didn't know who was all on there and then I I know Splain was there. Um, so we were invited to be part of this task force to kind of take uh concerns from our area to the senator, hear what's going on there at DC to kind of share here. Um, one of the things that that I brought up was the interchange. Um, and I mentioned, you know, one of the we had a perfect example of why that needs to stay open. When they drilled a hole through the gas line, I said we have if UD do doesn't pay attention to that, um, I don't know what else to do. But I I did bring that up that we had a problem. They had to shut down that road and that's exactly what's going to happen. That's what we're going to get. And that's why that needs to stay open at all costs um just to alleviate any sort of of dangers or problems um concerns that might arise. And so I left all the might have been a blessing.

Oh yes. Sorry. And on the Yeah. I mean as as bad as the the inconvenience and what it was but I think that may really drives the point home.

drive the point home. Another one was they're running a bill and I left my notes sitting on my front seat of my truck, but there's a bill that they're that he's running and it's bipartisan um about managing our forest because of the major fires that have been happening to alleviate a lot of the restrictions um as far as gathering firewood, allowing people to go in there and clear out all that dead fall so that the fires when they do happen isn't as great. And so I I kind of push that that they're so restrictive on how we get in there to get I mean in Morgan County we we burn a lot of firewood. I know I do. I've gathered firewood for for years and it's so restrictive and I I mean I I don't want people driving their trucks and four-wheelers all over the mountain side. But um it it's a seeing the fires and seeing the issues that they that they've caused. they are running a bill um support on both sides to allow better access into our forest to help alleviate that um that dead fall and that that fire danger. Um and so as as things come up whether here at the commission or residences, they can reach out. Both Wayne and I are on that task force um that we can take to the comm to the the senator. Um, we talked about the uh the Olympics coming and just the need for infrastructure to get people up and down that mountain and get them, you know, that interchange is crucial. The roads in and out of there. Um, they're old and there's a study, I know Mike and I were talking about it about just the the geography of that mountain and when you drive up in there and you can see where that road going into Snow Basin has moved. it has shifted and is breaking and um you know the infrastructure is old and and needs help and I and the the need of federal help to get that get those things up to speed so that we have a safe community over there um and good access for the the I mean they're what saying 40,000 people a

day up there during the Olympics. I mean it'll be crazy if we do nothing. Did I miss anything? I'm sure that was it. I I think you I got a whole page of notes and I know you were taking notes and everything else and I thought I think that was kind of the Railen did you have something? I'm on that task force too but can log on today but there's another meeting tomorrow 2:15 if anyone's interested I can forward them to email just curious for the same one the same one but it's with um a different county but he said I could log in. Oh um did you bring up the strawberry road at all? I we just talked about the roads and all the access up and I didn't bring it up specifically. No, but just all the infrastructure. So, yeah, if you want to bring that up tomorrow. Okay,

that'd be good. Yeah, Carrie, do you have anything for us before we go into close session? Do we want him to We do actually. Could you come up? Commissioner Blocker brought up um a potential piece of legislation that we would like you to have on your radar, Commissioner Blocker. Oh, yes. I already emailed you. Did you get it? He probably It was like literally five minutes on his drive up here. She just barely sent it to you. Okay.

It's just uh Jill Kofford. [snorts] Um she is introducing a bill to make general plans a final binding document. Not a good idea. UAC is opposed to it. Obviously, we're opposed to it. So, just on your radar. Doesn't have a number. Doesn't have a number yet. We just talked about it in a policy meeting. So, trying to figure out where that's coming from, but Right. Yeah. We don't know who benefits. Where do half those bills come from? So, is there exactly anything on the summit discussion? Summit County. Yeah. I I mean I

So I gave them the update that they Jamie reached back out. I didn't know if he had any more since he went to inter. Yeah. No, there's there's a lot a lot of questions about that and and frankly um I I need some direction from the commission as to where to go with that because it's it's getting it's the drafter is on my case every every day now. So, it's basically just what what we know commission wants to do.

So, we've been given a pre-file priority bill number. Um, I guess kind of where we're stuck now is what do we want that draft language to be? Do we want it to be that another county can't own land another county? Do we want it to be that a county can't own land in another county tax exempt? Do we like there's so many ways we can word it. Is there a specific what's the goal? I personally think that counties should not own land in another county. [clears throat] I don't see a purpose for that. I can understand a special district needing property in another county,

but to me it seems like the only reason you would buy land as a as a county or public entity in another jurisdiction is because you want a piece of that jurisdiction. probably because it's cheaper, right? But then you bring in all these concerns of, well, who's going to police it? Who's going to, you know, are you going to receive the taxes off it? Is it really public property if it's owned in another county, right? I don't know. I would rather see it not just you can't own property in another county, period. And I would view that specific language as almost misappropriation of taxpayer dollars. your taxpayers can't benefit from land that you don't have jurisdiction over.

Yeah, you're right. So, I can see a case law precedence there, but um when [clears throat] we discussed this um with um oh my goodness, the gentleman that gave us the priority bill file, uh Representative Strong, Representative Strong, um we had my brain just stopped where I was going with that. Um, we had pointed out um, oh that we didn't want to ruffle the feathers of the Utah League of Cities and Towns because we could understand towns buying land butdding up against other towns within like municipality spreading county counties. U,

but a municipality can cross counties. So that's what we're saying. Before we actually get the final language and and push it out for the public, we we need to have a conversation with the um the executive director of Utah League of Cities and towns because they have ungodly amounts of pull at the legislature and just want them to understand encampment. Yeah. Our this is where we're coming from. We're in no way, shape, or form trying to change any thing that you fought for. This is literally county to county. Municipality is exempt from what we're trying to do. Sir. Yeah. So, has UAC involved with this at all? No, we have not got UAC involved. Is is UAC involved with this bill? No.

No. Maybe we need to have them. Didn't think that was a good idea. Why? Senate pays more dues than we do. They'll get influenced by the big counties. have more of us rural counties than they do some they may have more individuals but we also have the speaker of the house we do and we also have the senate president we also have the best lobbyist in the state thanks for that none of that has with [laughter] you so that is uh it's just we'll obviously get them involved before

it's just a matter of timing and and what kind of you know strategy we want to play here. So, they can come we can we can involve them from the beginning if you'd like or um or the legislation can bring them to the table. So, it's just a matter of it's a strategic move. Well, I like Mike's suggestion, which is can just Yeah, you just can't. Especially with a federal grant. Yeah. Like, come on. Okay. I mean, that's my opinion. I'm very possessive of our county. So, same as is our county sheriff. That's right.

Okay. So, we got to have I mean, that is the direction I would recommend it. Mike's recommended it. I hope the other three are on board. They're busy doing something. I know Van is. He was in that call. Um, so yeah, I'm happy to give you all my time. So, I don't need it all. I just need Yeah, I hear you. Okay. Thanks, Carrie. Oh, Carrie, January 6th is our January our first January commission meeting. Can we get you on there? Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

Okay. Uh, Mr. Chair, I move that we um go into close session for the purpose of discussing the purchase or disposition of real property. Second. Motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Fel. All in favor? I I opposed.