Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

is a existing water line on the south side of College Street that they will be having to tap into. As far as the water line goes, um they would either have to construct a public water line up to the proposed lots as shown on the exhibit and install a public water meter at the frontage of College Street, allowing for shared access to access that public water line up to the private lots or um install private meters at each individual lot of fronting. And so that's essentially how they would get water service within that water line. Um where the water line is located, excuse me. They would have to provide a shared access easement because it would be having to get access by multiple parties um in order for you know public works to assess, read, maintain those meters. Very similarly for the sanitary sewer. There is an existing 8in sanitary sewer on the north side of College Street. This one is a little bit more straightforward um due to the elevation at the back of their lot. They are facing the creek. [snorts] So, they would have to install a private grinder pump to facilitate flow from those proposed lots up to the existing uh line on College Street. And with that, we've done it in the past. Um the property owner would have to provide us with a um agreement between the future property owners allowing for the maintenance and operation and access of that shared grinder pump. And that's essentially how they would receive service. Drainage is pretty straightforward. Um any on-site uh storm sewer or detention would be have to would have to get designed to Montgomery [clears throat] County standards which is what the city defaults to. Paving and platting or paving those are they would have a private access drive. So that would just be to your standard residential um requirements how they want to design that. And then platting. As far as that goes, as I previously said, the property is not platted today.

So, in order to paper all this up, we would recommend that they go through a they would actually have to go through um the full platting process, preliminary plat and a final plat like we're going through with all of our other single family developments because it's not platted and they're extending public utilities. And so all of that is outlined in the uh summary memo as kind of just the last little bit. As far as the fees associated with it, you have a $13,500 fee for escrow. That would include all of the required um reviews for us to begin our civil review and assist them with the platting. And then as well water and wastewater impact fees because they're uh providing new lines to their um site. So all that's outlined in the um memo. Um this report has been provided to the developer as well as city council. Um so kind of just bringing y'all in on what's going on with this. [snorts] Any questions?

Did city council make a motion or anything or they just heard what you just told us? They did accept our findings. Um, essentially that's not binding the city to any uh agreement. It's just allowing the developer to know the city understands what our next steps are, what y'all's next steps are as a developer. Now, if y'all want to move forward, y'all have to go through this process. And who is there a personal developer or is it a builder? So, we've had it's just a trust. It's not

We've had most of our correspondence with the builder. Um, Jordan McDonald, I believe, is his name. Um, but he's working on behalf of KIH. Um, Richie Rich. Okay. So, this is kind of like a beginning of a a mini subdivision. Is is that what they're trying to propose or is it only big enough? Cuz it says for future homes, right?

So, he has the property owner has told us that he is desiring to build houses for his daughters on this bottle land. believe he has three daughters currently but with the potential of adding future homes for their families. And so effectively a mini subdivision but based on platting rules we would require either further subdivision or um depending upon how they are looking to subdivide. So it's a familyowned compound type of situation. It's not a hey here Joe and don't know each other. There's to our understanding there's no intent to sell the property in the future to nonfamily people. Exactly. stays in the trust.

And then what is this um uh grinder pump like? Is it it's personally maintained and built by the owner themselves? Does it affect anything with our No. So it's essentially a small lift station that pumps water or uh sewer from the house to the the main trunk line of the sewer system. And so they would install a mini grinder pump on private property, construct a manhole that ties into the existing uh sanitary sewer trunk line, and then pump from the grinder pump to that. Okay. From the grinder pump to us,

grinder pump to manhole, and then gravity the rest of the way to your Town Creek lift station number two. Okay. So, um, so who's what ordinances starting? Where do the ordinances start and stop for the city of McGomery to maintain that? Say it doesn't work. Say I mean they're going to have a permit. Somebody's going to go up there. Somebody from the city is going to be monitoring it or

No. So the private grinder pump would be all on the property owners to maintain, operate, etc. So they would have to hire their own contractor, own operator, generally speaking, own operator to maintain said grinder pump. The city would only be concerned with the connection point to the public manhole and then everything after that. So the public manhole is there a concern from them doing anything coming to that like is there a

So we would uh they would as far as far as the process goes they would submit plans for the grinder pump and their proposed connection to the sanitary sewer system. We as WGA would review, provide comments, go back and forth with them on that. Then once we issue approval, we'll begin construction and then our construction inspection team and the city's public works office would be coordinating on making sure the tie-in is good, all the proposed codings of that proposed manhole are good, and then once that's done, we're rocking and rolling. So we have a personal construction person and our city, correct? That will be talking together when it all connects. Exactly.

So basically, it's just somebody who owns some land wants to build a house on there and they want our approval. Yeah. So, we don't have any said like we can't say your house needs to be this big. We don't have to have any offsets the size of the driveway or anything. It's all whatever they want to do on their property depending on as of the proposed lots shown currently. There is nothing depending upon whether or not they want to move further south. Um if you look at again page 19 I believe it shows that historical landmark overlay that existing landmark would have to be um modified or designed to adhere to all the city's current regulations regarding historical landmarks.

Okay. And who's in charge of that historical landmark that? Oh, we were looking for it actually ourselves. Chris wasn't aware of when this became an historical landmark. Yeah, I didn't know about it either. So, right. So, this is all based of our um GIS data and you know, previous uh historical documents, but as far as council action designating this as an historical landmark, we're not extremely clear on. Yeah, that I was I've lived here a little while. Haven't heard anything. Yeah. I was going to ask you. Yeah. I was like, hm. Okay. So, the city is aware. We're going to we're going to make sure that if it is historical and we are going to preserve it

in the event that they construct or propose anything within that historical landmark. Yes. Running water line and sanitary sewer through it though that's acceptable. Yes. So because it's not altering any of the public facing uh aspects it's all underground. There's no concern from a historical preservation standpoint that we were keen on the proposed to the water line though. So is that publicly if some if there's a separate development nearby are they able to access that up until in that on the private with on the private property

generally speaking logistically that wouldn't I don't see how that would work. Um if I'm I'm more wonder I want to better understand the access to that easement and the the lines.

Correct. So again kind of just restating there are two options for the public water line or for the water line. Let me not say public for the water line. They can either construct a public meter at the frontage. Everything after that meter would be private. So it would be on the property owners to maintain operate etc. and or option two, they construct a 2-in public line with individual meters at each house. If they go that route, then the city would have the authority to access said uh access easement, maintain, operate, make repairs on that water line and read the meters at each each individual lot. Again, we've provided this report to the developer. They haven't said one way or another how they would want to go. Um, we gave this them

we presented this at the November uh council meeting. So, they've had this for almost a month at this point. We haven't heard anything. Um, assuming busy with the holidays, we expect to hear something probably before the end of the year, but again, we haven't heard one way or the other which way they would prefer to go. So, when they get when they make these decisions and they come and they go, "Okay, we're going to put um we're going to build this wood house and we're going to build this metal house and we're going to paint it purple and green and all that, whatever." that doesn't come to us

to the size they want. Okay. To up to their obviously the building code standards that the city maintains. But as far as historical and planning and zoning oversight on it unless they were building within the historical landmark, there wouldn't be anything that there would be nothing else that comes to planning and zoning. So, you're just asking us to look at a feasibility of something that is going to possibly happen soon. Correct. Making y'all aware of potential development. It's going to happen. He is he does seem keen on building these houses for his daughters. Okay. Um timeline. We're not aware of that.

And just to clarify, for he decides to does sell it, it's not his intention, but he wants to make it a track. That's got to be approved and go through the whole process. Correct. If he wants, even though it's private property, yes, if he wants to further subdivide houses, right? Sorry, we're approving the two houses right now. We're not approving any houses. Um, we're pro approving or really just discussing the feasibility memo. There's nothing for planning. He's talking about he's doing two single homes. That's his plan. Yes, that is his plan at this current moment, which would have to go through the building permitting process again, which doesn't if it's not within the historical zone uh or downtown district or Yeah, historical downtown district, excuse me. It wouldn't come back to PNZ.

Yeah, it's nice of them to ask. We do appreciate developers that do that. Yes. [laughter] And and let us know a little bit. That's great. Any other house? Okay. I'm sorry. So, is there a finding or is there There's no action on this. No action. No action. Just discussion. Thank you very much for the details. Of course. So, moving to item number six, we have consideration of possible action by the planning and zoning commission on the final plat for Briarley, formerly known as Redford Meadows, sections four, five, and six.

Thank you. So, this uh item may seem very familiar because I believe back in October um y'all reviewed the preliminary plans for this uh development for five and six. On the attachments that I handed out to you, you'll see a very colorful exhibit kind of outlining the sections and then a actual aerial exhibit of where these individual sections are. So this is Briley phase 1B which encompasses section four, five and six of the development all on the eastern portion of the uh property boundary along Wax Cemetery Road. This is providing total lock count. I did have it. I'll confirm the total lock count of these four individual tracks. But this subdivision has um a few approved variances uh at the current moment. Total uh reduced lot width of 60 ft from your typical 75 ft. Uh reduced block area of 8,400 ft from your typical 9,000 ft². And then sideyard setbacks from your typical 10 ft to 5 ft. As a part of their development agreement, they're also required to provide at least 20% of their uh shared sidewalks of a minimum of 15 ft. So at the end of the development when all said and done out of the total 682 homes approximately 15% of those have to have sideyard set back of 15 ft minimum between houses. They're currently between the total six lots or six sections that they have platted. Section 1 through three are already platted and then for consideration tonight four five and six have a total of 14% of your 20% with the remaining sections being your larger lots. So making that sideyard setback would not be too hard on the developer. This uh project would be subject to impact fees. Um sorry I don't have that

number either but it's in the realm of the 400,000 uh for 45 and six based on our new city impact fees. I can confirm that number with y'all um following this meeting just so y'all have it. But next steps um after uh action is taken tonight, we will be taking this to city council. They they'll have the same information that y'all have. And then after that um or I guess incurrent with that, the developer will be required to pay all fees associated with this final plat submission fee impact fee deposit being made before we make any recordation with the county for these final plants. Did anything sign significantly change at our last meeting? They were uh I guess the detention pond and green area they were extending or getting

preliminary plats for Yes. Did it affect anything? Okay. So that's all within section two. So if you look on that colorful exhibit, you'll see the rec center and that detention pond just to the left of it. Yes, that was and some of the roadway that's abuing the rec center. That was what was being considered by planning and zoning previously. Okay. And we're still working through the final plat for that. So y'all haven't seen that one yet. Um, do they ever um put those mobile homes in there yet or is there are they still develop the construction home or the construction trailers? Yes, they have been approved I think. Yes, they have. But have they in

one has moved in? I drove out there today. It's today I I thought seen. [laughter] So, how soon will the rest go? Like what are we talking? Are we just as it as it develops or they should be doing fairly quick is my guess. I'll get I can get a exact schedule from the builders and and see sewer and water and everything is approved and we Yes. So sewer and water for sections 1 through three which includes that area. Okay.

Sections 4 through 7 or 4 through six, excuse me, construction is ongoing, nearing completion actually. I'll be would hope to inspect for a final inspection and issue that punch list prior to New Year's, maybe even Christmas depending upon the contractor and availability. But yes, that is ongoing. All the construction trailers would have service. There's temporary water out there if they don't have the full prior to the new year, you say? Potentially. Okay. Potentially. Okay. Sorry to get off the Oh, you're fine. PL of We want to make sure we're all Mhm. It's going so fast. We want to make sure we're putting them all together.

I know we've talked about it in the past. Can you remind me when the turn lane kicks in that for old Persville?

Y. So, we actually had a meeting with the county and LJ and Johnson Development on the 25th of November um essentially outlining the terms of theou. There is a agenda item being placed on council for the 9th to discuss those terms, but it kicks in around this time, phase two of the development, which is the rec center, section 7 and section 8. So, it's all there's a lot of moving pieces with this development, but everything is kicking in the right order. It's just a lot. I also noticed that we put a sign at the um end of uh Old Plannersville Road down by here, city hall, no commercial vehicles. And um I just wanted to clarify cuz they're still building.

Mhm. I still see uh coming in front on that small road over Plannersville Road right here. Past the railroad. No, right here. Right. And leading up to the Yes. leading up to the subdivision. I'm still seeing the uh vans with the construction workers in them pulling the trailer. Not so much the 18 wheelers anymore, but we're still having a lot of traffic of the construction personnel. So, are we when you say commercial, you're talking about like 18 wheelers? That is and I say yeah, that is we can't really stop the big huge trailers and the that stuff coming down that road right now, right?

Now, for tracking damage, I think that would be something that we could easily capture and say, "Hey, avoid this road. Go up towards Old Domins and then hit 105." Um, but again,

a lot of traffic, a lot of traffic. And uh, you know, it's 20 miles an hour down this road and I know sometimes they're in a hurry and it's dark and we have the the cross cross country kids running and then we have the little ROC kids running. Um, I'm just I know that we're talking about these plants, but we're we're talking about Briley, so we might as well just bring up whatever it is that's going on with that subdivision. Um, I just kind of want to revisit that to make sure that what they're talking about the CMV, we're talking also about when they have those big one tons, huge vans with the trailers all pulling down there. It's it's still a small road. So, wanted to touch base on that.

We can provide that input to our uh construction team and have them try and direct the construction on-site construction uh guys to not take this road. Okay. Do we have any more questions? I move that we um approve item number six, consideration of possible action by us, the planning and zoning commission um for the final plats for priorly formerly known as Redbird Meadows sections four, five, and six. I second. We have a motion and a second. All the if you if you agree say I I

I if you're against say nay. The eyes have it. The motion passes. Item number seven consideration. Yeah. This has been struck. Yes. So there just to provide everyone with update cuz I know everyone wasn't here when I said it. This one the plats were not ready for council or PNZ approval. So we're pushing it out to next month. developers aware and we're working through all comments. So, yeah, there's nothing to consider on item number seven. Okay, moving to item number eight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Consideration of possible action on the on a proposal to install a new wall sign at 401 College Street on the second floor for suite 220. I believe we had somebody who wanted to speak. Would you like to just to answer questions? Perfect. Good evening, commission members. Are you morning? I mean, I need good morning. You can say whatever day it is. Yes, ma'am. Sorry about that.

So, what we're talking about here is 401 College Street. It is the twotory building that is on the corner of College and Macallen. Um the business owner is here. So, if you have any questions on that uh proposed business sign, it is a wall sign. It'll be on the second floor of that twotory brick building. Um you have the dimensions on there with those dimensions. It does meet the requirements of not being more than 60% of the wall area um for that for that building. It doesn't project over the roof line and it is at the location where the goods andor services are uh being offered. Other than the correction that it will not be back lit, actually there won't be a light on there. It will just be um attached to the wall of the building and the property owner is aware and has approved attaching this this wall sign onto that building. And the picture that you see in your packet is about as close as they were able to get it to be scaled onto the sidewall. And if you have any questions here for the business owner, again, he is here to answer any of those questions.

Is the main access to your the your rental space up on that second floor? Yes, I have the whole front except the last office is not mine, but that majority of it is. Any questions? Any other questions? I mean, I think it looks good. Yeah. I move we approve the consideration and possible action on a proposed proposal to install a new wall sign at 401 College Street on the second floor for suite 220. I second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I.

I. All those against say nay. The motion passes. Thank you. Thank you.

To move item number nine, consideration of possible action on a proposal to construct a new 10tx 20 foot accessory structure in the rear yard of the property located at 706 Caroline Street.

Again, this property is at 706 Caroline Street. You all had reviewed a similar proposal on the rear side of 706 Caroline Street. It was a much bigger accessory structure. Um he's reduced the size of this accessory structure. He has also proposed that it will be made out of wood on the exterior. Um the roof will still be metal. you'll see a picture of an example of an existing accessory structure that can be seen off of um oh what street is that the side street there uh between Carolina and college Eugenia and that has an existing metal roof on that structure now if you look from the front side of uh 706 Caroline you probably won't be able to see this 10x by 20 structure because it'll be 20 ft from the side property line. And if you go off to the side street, which is Eugenia, you would have to look over the corner lot and then into the rear yard of this um this property and you'll probably see a little bit of the structure, but he does state that he the colors of that structure is going to be similar to the existing um principal structure. Uh, what are you back up to?

Another single family. Another single family home. There is a 6ft high. Um, it is 6 foot. Yes, there is a 6ft high wood fence behind that. Whose fence is it? Tween structure. Is it your fence or your back neighbors? I'm not sure. They been there forever. Okay. I think it was Have you um have you spoke to your neighbors or anything? Have any have they've said anything? No, they have they have several out buildings on their property. So, and they figure it'd be a problem with them because

just wondering if they can see it from their backyard. I know that the reason I ask is we have previously had some people come in and discuss the building and the building kind of over not over overlapped but the roof came down at a point where the drainage was coming and they could see it and it became unsightly and they wanted to add two more feet to their fence and all that. So you came to us and I'm going to discuss to you with what other people have brought to us, you know, and when I bring up your neighbors Yeah. Mike next door has no problem. He came he came to the meeting last

um the neighbors behind us are they have so I don't think they close and like I said that fence is tall and the building is going to be 10t easement off of the north side of the fence. seen that and 20 foot off the west side west side over by Gina and so when you look over is the building going to have electricity or water? No. Strictly storage. So no lights on the exterior comfort. No no lighting. No lighting.

No lighting. Okay. No lighting. No lighting. There were two different uh kind of examples. Do you know which one would look just look taller than the other? Do you know the approximate height you're looking to utilize? They're both about the same e height. I think one is more like a barn shape because of the So those are samples, right? The last two pages of our packet. Is that what you're saying? That's not where it's going. That's where it's going. Right here by this building on the far side. That's kind of looking for Nino. Mhm. Okay.

Yeah. But the Yes. The last page. Oh, that looks to be an example of nearby. Is it Are we talking historical? Uh, go. Those are the examples. Mhm. No, I'm talking about historical property near it. Is there any historical property near it? Next door by as in a historical landmark type behind it. Correct. Mhm. At the corner of um Eugenia and Caroline. Caroline. No, college. College. Corner of Eugenia and College. Oh, is it is a historical landmark. Yes. My next door to me is historic.

Yes. Mike is historical. We just gave him his plat. He came to he came to the meeting the last time was here. Is there an existing structure there now? No, there's a small shed, but we're going to move that. It'll come down. Yeah, and you'll replace it with another one. Yeah. Actually, it's just a metal shed, you know, like an 8 by8 metal. And it's coming down. Yes, ma'am. Okay. And um you'll be monitoring Jill. Yes, ma'am. U because it is 10 by 20.

It's 200 square ft. It will require a building permit. So it's fairly big for storage. Not too big for a general accessory structure compared to what he was proposing before. Yeah. 30 to 45.

I wish I could vision that house. My mind is blank. [snorts] Let's see. I move that uh see if we approve consideration and possible action on a proposal to construct a new 10x20 accessory structure in the rear yard of the property located at 706 Caroline Street. Can I second? I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I.

I. All those against say nay. Nay. Two to one. The motion passes. [snorts] This moves us into commission inquiry. Any items? Item number 10, items to consider for placement on future agenda. Any items? Okay. Do I hear a motion for adjournment? Make a motion that we adjourn. [clears throat] Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I.

All those against say nay. Motion passes. Meeting adjourns. Thank you.