Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

national average. It's one to two and a half [Music] cars. You're talking 600 cars a day on that short stretch of almost you know stores. We're not open. [Music] Okay. [Music] Friday. Friday 6. All right, everybody ready? Uh, it is 6:00 May 6, 2025. I call the McGomery City McGomery County Z Commission meeting to order. Uh if we all rise to do the pledge of allegiance flag first to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for alliance. [Music] You see one under God, one indivisible. Okay, let's see. Are there any that would like to speak on any item anybody wants on the agenda or an agenda item at that time? Nope. All righty. We will move on to item three, consideration of possible action by the planning zoning commission on a partial

replat manner section 1 track 2 located at 10005 College Street. Good evening. So, first this item in front of you today is as you say for the Jac, if you look in your packets, you'll see a copy of a letter from myself on page five recommending approval of the ref. If you look on page six, you'll see the original plan. So, this shows track two as it is currently stands today is a single track. It spans from college to Carolina degree. And then on the following page, you'll see the proposed uh track split into two. So one lot running Caroline, one front running college. One big thing I do want to point out is if you look at the very seven portion of lot 2 is dedicating additional rightway. So Caroline Street is a 60ft rideway for the most part. Our owners at this session decks down to closer to 40 foot. So they would grant that additional rideway. So it's a full 60oot ride away which will come into play here in a couple of items. So we don't have any objection to it uh to the park. The next steps after this is it will go to council on the 27th with your letter and recommendation of the part. This is just a a split of the property where the the new house the house is being built on Caroline the same property effectively splitting splitting that two. I make a motion that we recommend

approval uh on the partial plat replat of Jadak intersection one track to located at 10005 College Street. I second motion. I have a motion. I have a second. All in favor say yes. All say no. Uh motion passes for the uh partial replant of Jadic Manor section one track 2 located at 10005 College Street. Uh number four, consideration of possible action by the plan zoning commission on the partial replac. So, very similar to the last item, uh, just different location and slightly different tool what they're trying to do. So, if you look on page nines of your reports, you'll see a copy of 11 requests again recommending approval of this part. What this repot does is it takes what is currently lot 28, 29, and 30 and combines them and splits them into two. So, essentially lots 28, 30 are developed, 29 is in between. property owners are are each taking 50% of that lot give or take. Uh so if you look in your package you'll see the original plot followed by the proposed part showing the revised log lines as shown on page 10 of your packets. Uh so again we we completed the reviews. Uh they've met all the requirements and have no objection to this. Uh your approved order tonight will be a recommendation council on their excuse May 27th. How does that affect the water in the sewer or does it? It doesn't. Okay.

So exist takes one house out of the old development. I make a motion we recommend approval of the partial rep for Buffalo Springs section two. I'll second a motion and a second for the uh partial reply of Buffalo Springs se uh section two. All in favor say yes. All oppose say no. Um motion passes for the partial recluse forum section two. Involve item five, consideration of possible action regarding a proposal to make improvements to a property located at 602 College Street in the historical preservation district. [Music] Sorry, the challenge to make it any easier with the um presenting 602 College Street. It's located in the residential zoning district and the historic preservation district. The applicant is here if they have any questions for them. The applicant does propose to make improvements to the existing single family building and the property will alter the appearance of the exterior elements um clearly visible from the public. You'll see my findings on page 14. the applications on page 15. Some of the things that they'll be doing is residing the house. Uh changing out the existing windows, trim, the trims, softbox, the overhangs are also going to be changed. Um the main color of the house will also

be changed. I don't know how well that the paint color that comes through all the copies that you have, but I do have the paint chips if you'd like to see that. Um, yes, they'll be changing the porch, the decking on the porch, um, and adding fencing, a wooden privacy fence. See those? Yes. Please. This is the style that So the color now is yellow. Yeah. And they're going to change to this dark. Thank you. The material is that cedar is that? Yeah, it will be cedar. They will [Music] have it in the bottom which you'll see from the outside. Okay. The frontal pieces are frontal fences are four foot but still privacy. Yes. Okay. Yes. Tell me, what other fences are in that area? I mean, assortment. Yes, you have the recently approved uh white kind of

that shows up in the front, but it's all the uh 6 foot high wood privacy that's behind that. There are quite a few high wood privacy. And then you have a change of where the page highlighted in pink. The location of proposed location of the fence be highlighted blue would be the location of the gate. And then I highlighted in green the wood depth that they would be changed. And you'll see that the two in the rear um won't be visible right away, just the one in the front. I see the pink line going um up to a certain point and it appears that the driveway will be going to the privacy fence and then what else is coming forward that's the house. Okay. So that actually stops just right there on that side of the house. And that privacy fence on the other side comes up to the porch. Um, not all the way to the porch, the garage. Um, on this side, it's just behind the garage. [Applause]

I'm no I'll make a motion to approve the proposed uh improvements uh at property at the property located at 602 College Street in the Historic reservation district. Second a motion. Have a motion and a second for the improvements at property 602 College Street in historical preservation district. All in favor say I. I. All in favor? All against say no. Uh eyes have it. Motion passes for the improvements. Bill show that I did not vote. I'm partial ownership in the house next door. Well, okay. Um, all except for John Fox, but motion still passes. Right. Um, I'm okay with it. Okay. He's just basically you're recusing himself uh for the uh improvements at the property located at 602 College Street in historical preservation district. Okay. Item number six, consideration possible and possible action regarding a proposed install a lift to the existing patio at 1433 Liberty Street in historical preservation district. Okay, this one is again at 1435 Liberty Street. It's located in the commercial zoning district and the historical preservation district. The property owner is here if you have any questions for him. we've got proposals to do is remove the existing sun shade that's over the existing patio area and replace it with a square hard top or a corugated roof. Um I did give a quick history on that. I don't know if you want me to read that out. So on November 7th, 2023, the planning commission considered the proposal to extend a front porch roof at 14335 Liberty. Um staff did recommend not

approving the roof extension because of section 98-351 with a special setback provision. that was um where if you're building new structures or making improvements in the historic district of the commercial area uh on any building that faces Liberty, Caroline P uh Prairie Mother or College Street and located between Highway 105 and south of or north on at Cleer on the north between State how we want to find on the um they would be required to adhere to the furnish setbacks that match immediately adjacent to the buildings are structured facing the same street. So the reason for that recommendation was because this would extend further into that front setback that area rather than meeting what the adjacent building. So, I copied I included a copy of the 2023 agenda item and the meeting minutes for you to review, but I was unable to find any follow-up information if any other um table if the roof proposal that was tabled by the planning commission if any further action had been taken on that. I didn't see anything. No, I know we we we tabled the roof at that point just to get through the the patio expansion. Yes. um and the owner uh that we required them to come back for better drawing but that was never never done. So that was kind of a null void at that point. So but the porch was the extension of the porch was porch itself was approved.

So, I understand there have been some uh real estate transactions that have brought this property down to the point that doesn't meet any parking requirements in section 98.287. Is that correct? So, we have two or three things going wrong for us here is it doesn't meet parking. It doesn't meet the standard for the roofing. It doesn't meet the setback standard. So, uh, looks like it's gotten by a lot of barriers here. I think a lot of things on that side of the street has gotten by a lot of barriers. Um, it's very inconsistent with what goes on on the east side. Um, you know, those the buildings on the west side have been built back and forth with no rhyme or reason. um as per the you know the the building code in the historical district. They're all smacked along there. Um but you can't agree two don't make it right. Well, no. So, but you know, a lot of these were built I don't know when they when all this was built back before some of the codes came out. Um, uh, you know, the only thing that I'm looking at on this is, you know, we're trying to make downtown look presentable. Um I feel even though that you know it is extending out uh it's not going to be it's not going to be any higher than

what's there now. Uh it's not going to block any view of the Hines the bank and it's going to look a lot more presentable than a tarp shade and light stain. I mean, if we want to get McGomery County look, I mean, the city of McGomery looking somewhat consistent, I feel that putting the the cover in the top of that, keeping all the decorated lights inside underneath and only allowing seasonal lights is going to make that little stretch look a lot more presentable in my opinion than a shade to and it will not extend any further beyond the existing fence that's already there. Correct. It's just coming up to the existing patio fence. Correct. Correct. Okay. That's how long the other thing I'd like to see is I know you're presenting all these exotic woods. Uh I I would rather see just either black post or white white post. What's that? Match the existing post earlier. Okay. I thought there was some ancient Asian in the Yes. Yes. That was one of the options for wood. Okay. But no, this is going coming straight from Home Depot and white trash in the building. No no additional post. Very simple. Similar to like where you're able to see the sun still coming through. This will help my tenants out and bring more customers to the city of Montgomery. Right. Well, I know it's your the restaurant is bringing a lot of people to Montgomery that wouldn't normally visit McGomery.

Yes, sir. I believe it's going to make dress up downtown quite a bit. Yes, sir. Without Cuz I don't know what the code is on a shade tent. It just has to be removable. back in the day when I when I put it up. They just had to be removable and so they were clips on there to not be a permanent structure, right? And that's what that is right now. But you can take it down if the wind comes up if if need be. I you know, as long as the party lights are out there, everything, the lighting is underneath the cover, uh seasonal lighting is okay. Well, then that's my that's my view on my my my concern is how long after that's put up does it get wrapped in plastic just like they did at Crawfish Kai against the regulations. Well, that's when I mean you got Yes, I believe y'all did address it and he did take it down after the 30 days. So, yeah, he kept driving it on driving it off. I just I understand and so on. That that is the biggest I saw I've ever seen in that area. And we and he did it two years in a row. Now, how long is it going to take before he does it? We're for fixing that problem. Now, that car in for the winter for the cold weather. If we do anything, we're going to PNZ to get any type of approval on vote in the bill. He's made sure not to put any instructions behind it. I I learned my lesson the first year I was here. So, I think uh I think we're in good company here. you're going to follow the rules. That's why we're here today, follow the rules and hopefully get your blessing and continue to make McGomery just as charmed as it was when I got here. But the our structure would be more aesthetic, I think, to to to the community or to the people coming and going and also to my tenants. uh they lose money uh when it rains. And so having a hard top on top will help with

the uh the rain and and and you guys would be helping our community as well because we we want more people coming into the restaurant uh coming in. But that same but that part of that same premise they was once called. You got meters and again if we can do anything outside of what we're doing, we'll keep coming back here to get another permit or do something else. This is the first stage. just put a hard top on it. Get rid of this this the the wind up and uh we you know that this thing and if you don't like it and you can reject the the if we decide to put clear plastic u windows but that's not we're not we're not even there. All we're asking for is a hard top just to keep the rain off the tables and all that stuff because there is limited seating inside. And uh so on the uh if you're facing it on the left hand side, I believe there's kind of like a little countertop type of situation going where people can sit. Is that it? Do you have that? Is that where other people can sit too? You have the front portion. You're talking about the roof coming out the front, right? So we're not going to cover up here. Okay. just the front just to get that sail that wind sail out of there and actually paint the post make it look more structurally sound and not just you know a shape I think I think you would be pleased with I really I mean you know obviously you know at the time we were trying to accommodate the the customers that were coming at the time for W McGomery and we're evolving so things are changing obviously and so we're respecting the PNC community here we're not growing Excuse you, sir. Well, there's two different locations other restaurants, existing restaurants have been in. Uh, one near the post office in the strip center. It's been sitting vacant for 4 years over there. It's Oh, yeah. Restaurant plus the the pizza

shack building. Why why are we trying to uh make this one work so uh haphazardly when there are places available to conduct your business and decorate any way you want? I think that's just your perspective, but our perspective is we like the the town of Montgomery here and that particular area is not that you see restaurants come and go out of that place and the rent is high, the buildings are older. Uh, and look at Uncle Boss. He's not there. Look at the Excuse me. Pizza. We need to get back on track while they're here, right? Plastic. See, we should have had a long time ago. Yeah. We need to get back on track. I I need to know um the corugated clear you're talking about. Uh what is there a gauge or a meal or what? What? What are we talking about? You don't have the clear corugated. Some of it's fancy, some of it's not. Correct. It's a Snap-On clear top. Uh, and it's it's a clear top. So, you're getting it from Brook Leaf or you getting it from Home Depot and But you don't know what the meal is. Like, you don't know the thickness? No, I do not. I do not. Is it It's similar to a pergola. It's clear top. You do a pergola, but it's that top snap together. I'd like to know the grade, the mill, the gauge, or whatever it is that you're putting on there. If this is approved then uh or our recommendation before you actually put it up. I I would like to see it written what the gauge is on it because you can do this with the plastic one or you can do this. So will we then this is the other thing is when we build this it's going to be structurally sound and a licensed contractor. I'm not doing it. So relying on the contractor to to to be uh do their professional job and and and be sure that the the corugated roof is secure because that's what it's designed for is a structural roof is Miss T. So

that's that's one of my Yes. But I want to I would like to know what the gauge the mill or whatever that is because it comes in different strengths I guess is the word I'm trying to search for. Um, also too, have we addressed the parking in front of there? You're going to put a permanent roof on it or you're asking for a permanent roof and then we have a setback and then you have the steps that walk in there. There's no steps the drawings just steps up to the Are we looking at old drawings for the approval? No, that was when my contractor created the the at that time. So the current picture of it there's not going to be an awning out going past it. It's going to stop at the actual corner of the post of the fence that you guys already approved the railing or whatever. It's going to stop right there. It's not going to go extend. So people walk in from the front on the side. On the side. So you're going to you're going to put a railing up on the front there. There is already one already rail. You want to show steps there? No. That rail goes straight. Go straight right there. All right. So I'm just looking at it. The current roof comes out 12T and you're going over to 14T 6 in. No, I'm going to the east post on each corner. I'm not going any further. There's no extension over the roof. There's no if a pulls up, it's not going to have any type of extension stopping that the post at the end of the day. That's it. Okay. Cuz the drawing shows that the existing one is 12T out and it says you're going to build a hard cover. Are you talking about the existing going off of the existing? Correct. There's a uh there's an overlap. Yes, there's overlap with the original. Yes. Of the existing roof. Yes, there's no overlap there on the talking about coming out the street. You take it off the old one. We're going to put this new one up. Uh, no. We're we're we're matching the same roof color as what's on the on the existing. We're stepping down at the connection

about 6 in from the front existing front canopy step down to the new. We're just replacing the canopy. We're not doing any other structure to the building. We're just replacing that canopy and put the art on top. Okay. So, um on my drawings, I show steps. I'd like a current drawing. And I want to know to be able to gauge and I also want to know from the reortion. What is the actual footage of the new corrugated roof you're going to put? It says 18 by 24. Is it going to be 18 ft? 18 by 24. I just don't know how far that brings it out. It's doesn't any further out what the post the rail to the post. Okay. It It's not going to extend anything where it is right canopy that's already that area right there just keep that cover. We're going to get rid of the the metal host and actually put the actual the same structure beams that were on the original post that are existing and and use those metal host that hold the the the wind cell. So typically you will be there whenever to inspect the building inspector. Okay. And you correspondence with the building inspector. Okay. You understand that if we say yes to this when you go to decide during the winter or the cold or the heat that you have to come to PNZ before you put up plastic windows or plastic on there. That's my understanding from I guess when you had that issue February I wasn't aware of that issue and so that being said I was I was informed by it and they said they weren't going to do it. They had informed me that there was a concern about that. That's that was I guess toward the end of February, March or something like that. But you

understand now? Yes. Okay. Absolutely. I'm I'm a building owner. I I'll take responsibility for that. And then I'll just be honest with you. I wasn't made aware of it at the time. And um you know, but that being said, we're all in the rules here. We're trying to do what what needs to be done. I'll make a motion that we approve the proposal to install a roof over the existing planning area at 14335 Liberty Street. Um there's a few contingencies on here though. uh one that appropriate building and trade permits must be approved and issued prior to commencement of any work. uh the thickness andor product data of the plastic materials provided to planning and zoning committee commission right here and that you do not extend anything beyond the uh at the existing I know you're not planning to but just I want that clear without the without the steps so y'all can see when that was created obviously y'all had this table for since November and so so this was all this is not anything new we just kind of done the rings come and all list of people main this just came in the motion. So with that being said what you guys need other other than what Daniel added I would like to see any of the lights mounted to the underside of the structure no no draping no draping except seasonal seasonal lighting like we allow rest of town. So, what kind of lights were you? The the party lights, the drinking party lights. I'd like to see the if there's going to

be any lighter at all be hard mounted underneath that side. So, there's no draping. All you'll see is the actual All you'll see is the light. Yes. And then other than season lights, color of the lights. Well, Christmas. Well, I mean, white light. I mean, it it'll just be more likely white lights. They're patio lights on there now, right? And so, what we would do is play all that up. That none of that would be hanging down. We'll we'll tighten it up and make sure, you know, you know, as far as lighting, we haven't even gotten that far. We were just getting the cover structure. We can address that as well. You know, when we when we do demo that the demo take down that screen. Yeah. The for improve this. I want to see a good product. I don't want to prove this. And then we go sideways. You're going to replace the wings over. That's an old the sign. Oh, that was the old one. That's the That's the old Sorry. Okay. Yeah. The sign just says Crawford. Yeah. Change. This is just our November and we were just trying to reinstate it. I think that need to be tabled and so all can you start as soon as you approve it as soon as we get the information right. Yeah. And you already have the permits. Okay. How long does the permit take? Depends on how long it step. Okay. Thank you. [Music] So just one more question on that.

[Music] This is a more permanent uh drainage. So I don't know how the gutters we'd like to see how the water is going to run off of that onto either neighboring property or so right now it's all running towards 149. Correct. And then it rolls down towards 105. Yeah. And so right now originally with the steps in there I was concerned with it rolling off that direction if everybody's already walking around it. I'm not personally pretty disagree with me, but my personally I'm not as concerned about. I didn't want to follow people as they're trying to walk into the building. That was my main concern. Yeah. I think that taking steps away from that helps us uh help the safety hazard of people walking out into the street cuz that is that gets a little tricky. Yep. Okay. All right. So, are you going to put gutters, ma'am? Are you going to put gutters or you going to let it just fall? Uh I guess that all we were doing was the topic and discuss any gutters. I if that becomes a problem then we would obviously come to you guys asking for hey can we put on the side and run it as the going to slow it has to slow running off the second roof and then the second group has to slow down to the street. It's going to do the same thing it's doing. It's hit our it was originally hitting the net and then going to the deck and then running 149 and then going towards towards the player. Yeah. without the overhang though that we're not going to have. Right. Correct. It's going to be coming pretty much straight down on your handrail. Right. Pretty close to it. It's going to run on the front edge and then run that way off the slope. Mhm. And we'll be looking at that, right? Till the way the water's coming off and drainage and making sure it's safe. Okay. I believe Dan's made a motion.

Okay. We have a motion for the approval of uh for the installation of the existing patio area at 14335 Liberty Street in the historical preservation district district with uh notes on uh needs would needs to see the gauge of the roof material uh the step draw the the front drawer uh steps revised showing no steps, all lighting to be under the deck uh other than seasonal lighting. Um that the the structure is going to stay inside the railings or at the railings where it is now and all trade permits and approvals through the city and inspections through the city. I have a second. Oh, yeah. I will second and approve it. You'll second. I'll second because he did. He did. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. All oppose say no. No. Okay. Uh motion passes 3 to two with the U. Do I need to re rest reate all those? No, I've got it. You have member Fox and Commission. Okay. All right. Uh so the motion passes uh for the uh installation of over the existing pad of 14335 Liberty Street in historical preservation district. Thank you. appreciate that. Uh number seven, consideration and possible action regarding a request for

a special use permit to place a temporary construction sales trailer on a residential lot located at 235 South Roads Marie Lane in the hills of Town Creek section 5 subdivision. So, this new special type of construction is going to be there for at least a year. Um, possibly longer depending on how long it takes for uh their sales or model homes get built. Um, so the reason for the special use permit is that it's temporary. is going to be on a residential lot at 235 South Rosemary Lane in the Hills of Town Creek sub section subdivision section by subdivision. I believe I forgot to cuz this might help you see exactly the location. If it's okay, I'm going to hand out this flat [Music] map. The yellow highlight indicates the location of that sales [Applause] [Music] channel. I got an extra one here as a special use permit. Does it require a public hearing? Yes, sir. So, what we're recommending is a public hearing. If approved, yes, this recommendation will go to city council. City council will a call for a public hearing and then the public hearing will take place and that's when the approval.

Has any other developer asked for a sales trailer? They have. I don't know if trailer. I mean, we've had construction trailers and that's on I think the last one that I saw was on um Home Depot. They had a construction and that's commercial property. What this is is a residential lot that's going to have like a commercial use on it. They aren't going to live there. Um they're just using it as an office. closing office on a residentially zone lot staying there for not temporary which would be 180 days or less but longer than that a year. What are they doing for water and sewer? Well the um what's it called? The utilities are already there at that location. So they would have to make an application for any temporary tax possibly. So to answer your first question, Town Creek Crossing had a temporary trailer built for model homes, but nothing came in front of us or that. So written through the the administration at the time used the construction trailer ordinance that doesn't require a special needs. So that's how we got and there are other you know other discussions with other developers on um sales trailers on all new single family that's coming in. So it's this is the first time you've seen it but likely not the last time we'll see it because there's questions are so is this going to be solid and landscaped? Yes, you'll see the plans here. shows all the sign. How long does it take for the girls

loose homes to be a year out? Huh? Page 62. Okay. [Music] What they're going to propose kind of a temporary um monument sign there. The typical hub type sign. Typically, how long does it take to build that size home? Six months. [Music] [Music] And we're going to set a precedence here, too. Five or six classes after this to look at. Yeah, we're in a Yeah, there's a bunch of We're in a race to see how fast we can develop. Well, you have Redird that's developing and they don't have these. No, they do not. No, they do not. What's that? Well, now it's Briley, but Red Bird did not have does not have one on there. So, you say there will be there will be Yeah. restrooms. Yeah, there's one in there. Okay. I guess that'd be my question. Do they plan to use temporary utilities or do they plan to use city utilities? I mean they construction trailers, sales trailers, however you want to say could go both. Could go either way. You can tie them to existing or you can tie them to, you know, you can have portable water outside. You can have utility uh tanks outside. I'd rather not buy temporary tanks outside cuz they smell horrible when they're cleaned. So for the residents surrounding them, it I don't think they'd appreciate that. But I guess that'd be my question. I I don't see that necessarily answered here. The tax plans are the utility lines are

already in there in place. Yeah, it would make sense. This is a quite common practice all over this market area. It's done everywhere. I think Chris said same thing. It's not uncommon. [Music] So there will not be any well I can't the [Music] u retract my thought because I'm sitting with there's a house being next building right across from our place that has the portable toilets. What this does is set an expiration what what it does is set an expiration date for that trailer. Mhm. because you'll see that there are three chambers for example that are outside of water that I think have been there for years. So that have they requested a certain duration? You said minimum one year but at least a year at least at least. Yeah, that's the there's no end date. But that's for years. Yeah, because you can do that on special use permit. Doesn't Brownley have model homes tied into temporary water and sewer? [Music] Not yet. The trailer for the voter trailer. And so there are more voter trailers coming as well for the to get through the election cycle for mud districts that are being created. Uh to answer your question priorly, they have been approved to start their model homes but not get taxed on those model homes. Okay. And so utilities they are just we had a meeting with them last week. I think they they're reporting the first slab. So they have some time to go. Uh they did mention this same sales trailer concept because their builders are asking them.

They have a lot of knowledge about that. So this is this is number one but not necessarily a favor get started again there. [Music] I make a motion that we recommend the city council approve approve a special permit under the city's rules which means I'll do you have a recommended duration you want to put on yeah well I uh I mean let's just make a suggestion one year what point I mean what from what point one year from the date of installation yeah one year from very installation candidate. Yeah, I'll modify my motion. I recommend approval of the uh special use permit to place a temporary construction trailer uh for a period not to exceed 12 months after installation. I'll second. I have a motion and a second to uh approve and pass on the city council the special use permit for temporary construction charter for a duration of one year uh after installation [Music] at 235 South Roads Marine Lane in the hills of town section five. All in favor say I. I oppose those none. Motion passes. Uh number eight, uh discussion of villages of McGrim development status and next steps. So the next item is open to Montgomery development. So back in

September of last year, the peace building was completed for this. This is the property directly across the street from 105 and Caroline those streets. So first two items for you tonight. First item is discussion and updates on the size of the developers. Before we get too far the developers put together kind of fly through the current plans for the project, the overall layout. Uh they're here to answer questions to talk about the product that they're looking uh to put on the property. I'll maybe come back and talk about where they stand with theou for development agreement with the city and then the last part of this will be the next agenda item on request. So you want [Music] Does that screen work? Only one is that way. There's no audio. Don't make [Music] s It's only a minute and a [Music] half. Heat. Heat.

[Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Music] That's a proper the restaurant the lake. [Music] That's it. Okay. So far goals here. Uh so remind [Applause] questions right up front that I can answer. Can you say your name? I'm here with Parkside. Also Brett Walker here with me, president of Parkside Capital.

Thank you. No problem. I got a question. Uh, one of the things here, you look at a 10 foot step back. Uh uh from the fronts uh where 25 foot required. Is there going to be sidewalks in front of these houses? Uh sidewalks. Yes sir. Sidewalks is going to be loaded. Um is what we're hoping for. Three car garage. Again, that's going to be Tom Grace points group brought into this development to do the entire work. uh make sure that the washer and drain is tough to snug help get in with mud and get annex in the city. I think mud's already annexed but we annex this property as well. Um this work and then we we then release the the lots to Grace Point and hopefully build to which we all know high quality um bill as well. Can we we discussed this once before? Uh I raised the point of the alleyways alleys and one of the things I would like to see is that as a developer you set the confidence and restrictions which the HOA ultimately winds up having to comply with. I would like to see the governance and restrictions come out with no parking in the alley. Okay? Because if there's any parking in the alley, as narrow as it is, the homeowners are going to have a lot of heartache. But you can solve that problem up front by putting it in the custom restriction. There's no parking in the alleys. I think makes sense from that standpoint. I'm not president HOA. I know. So, I'm assuming that uh due to the size of the lots and the elevation of the properties you got built here that the street is going to be their primary drainage uh facility. Well, you going to drain all

this water or two off of such a tight complex. Yeah, I believe that's right. [Music] We're here in the engineering project, but I believe that's right. get into draining the sheet flowing down into the the streets. Let's talk about that. Sure. So, we haven't fully designed yet. We have completed the drain drainage impact analysis. Uh we're just waiting for get through a few of these approvals before it starts sitting into the city engineer for review. Um but of course, we have our detention mitigation facilities. You saw the lake which is anticipated to be kind of amenity feature for the overall developer or development along with commercial. Um it's kind of in the center of the property has a ridge. They kind of go and shed both directions. We have facilities on both sides. How large is that lake? Do you know? Yeah. Okay. The biggest one. There's three. There's two fire. Yeah. I think there's one on the east side on the south side that would show us attention to the lane plan, but it's likely that we don't need that as a detention facility. So that can actually turn into a park, another amenity. U West Fox. Uh so the the lot we'll bring forward um so we'll have to bring forward to the streets and the streets will be your advance. Um so we'll design all the storms here be able to convey all at least 100 yard facilities facilities will mitigate 100 all your alleyways you know please like the gentleman said down there you know these HOAs except for the brother which you don't uh we have some here in town with rear loading situations and with square corners cars don't turn square corners We need at least an 8ft apron on those driveways. Yeah, we we'll make sure that can't remember exactly the size of these alleyways on stuff like that. We'll make sure they have appropriate radius. You know, maybe a 20 20 foot radius will be good to be able to make those turns and circulation for them to be able to get

out on both sides. Yeah. Will there be enough driveway as as mentioned? Will there be enough driveway for the cars to park on the driveway between the face of the garage and the alleyway? Yeah. So, I think I'm talking with the home builder what they're expecting to do. This rear car garage plus the driveway. So, I think So, you're hiding that driveway park? Yes, I believe. Yeah. That's what we've seen is a driveway up to leading up to the drive on the back side. Okay. And you know we do there are two other products that are proposed in this. The alleyway product traditional product the way product would have that driveway in the rear and the traditional lot in the front. Another thing we brought up the hard way is that in building the town uh townhouse similar patio homes close together is the elevations of the entire neighborhood. So that a stair step. Would you please engineer it horizontally as well as vertically to make sure that it all looks right when it's all said and done? Yeah, especially with how we had to transition from lot to lot. It is laid out for the streets to go along with concrete. So you can set down reasonably reasonably transition about 6 to 9 in to finish the floor and start getting up above that and obviously a little bit tight. Okay. One other question on the 10ft setback on the alley houses. Uh, is the sidewalk a part of that 10 foot setback? In other words, it's on the street side. It' be in the right way, but it'll be in that 10 foot. That'll be on the right side. Oh, so the 10 set back up from the sidewalk to the house. Yeah. So, you have the rightway line. There's the lots of 10 foot house and the sidewalk will be on the side. Gotcha.

I'm going to ask a question if I can answer. I've seen a lot of trees in that video. A lot of trees. A lot of trees in that neighborhood. So, are you doing a quarter inch trees to help? Is there irrigation coming? You put in the front yard, the backyard, you leaving some trees cuz man, that's a beautiful piece of property you're fixing, too. That's right. So, so one thing hopefully over the time with this being our first development within the city of Montgomery is Parkside is known for doing development. uh we we take the extra we take the extra step and one way to through that is we're getting actual tree survey done on the property now to see if there's any big live oaks or something we can we can save you know hardwood basically right under but we can save hardware here and there we're going to we want to incorporate that within the city but also because we're trying to incorporate this piece of property and and marry it into downtown you know with the type of development that it is where it's you know walkability you know golf ability and all the things and create the amenity of the parks and it's not just going to be a hole around. to get attention park and some you know some other uses than just containing water and we're going to walk trails and all the things you you saw the esplanade there it's very very heavily landscaped and monetized as well and it's you know I think this product calls for that and there's a reason all those trees are in that yeah I seen it and I was like you know we see a lot of pictures of pictures and then we don't look at it so you all take a field trip we go to the city of Katy and we'll show you couple of down Uh, and I think I think that that that video will tie really well into what we've done in other places. What you want to do to Katie? We're currently doing Katy Court on Klay Road. We're doing the second phase of legacy K. We're turning that 52 into a a park that connects to all the other parts. So, you're going to have this you're going

to have these sidewalks connect to Blake Park. sidewalk. Yeah, that's right. So, the hope is we can take it from our neighbors to the north. Um, you know, bring it down through our park. Um, going back come through the esplanation on the back side of the live commercial that we're going to have there. Take it all over the east side of the park and then the existing park that's there with the pavilion as well. And it just connects all everything connects into, you know, the downtown area. Sounds good. Would you say it was was it Katie Park? Katy Kat. It's off of Clay Katy Locker Road. [Music] That's a 52 acre detention we had to do there. What's that? 52 acre detention pump that we had to do there off. But it's over. We want to be good good neighbors and developers. Everything. Any potential commercial clients you've talked to? at least what types you're It's going to be more steeply is going to tie in what you kind of done already into a degree, but it's going to be more of a professional type retail. It's not your typical script retail like instead of nails and painting. Yeah. Doctors, you know, attorney offices, that kind of stuff. have the heavy commercial to the east where it's going now. And this is still it wouldn't look right if we had the development we're doing that had some, you know, some some big retail commercial in front of us. It doesn't it doesn't go along with project within it itself. It creates value for both commercial and resial. So the loans, you got to have something nice. So you're driving down uh 105 and are you going to be able to clue

into those commercials? Are we going to what road what road are we going to use to get in to the commercial? So we do have the main entry off of 105 Boulevard the residential likely that will and that's actually as you know Texas is going to come in and do a raised meeting that's actually had a median cut right across the street from the Lawnstar Creek exit. So that'll be a meeting cut in that facility. It's likely going to be a couple other meeting curve cuts along commercial. Um they may just not have the medium cut for the the left down. Um and it'll connect off of uh college Carolina not so connecting to Caroline and then we'll actually so Shephard actually it was kind of widened out and then it kind of down ahead and expand all the way to 1052. So we'll pick that up. So what's the parking going to be as far as going to commercial buildings or commercial be so you it's going to be all it would circulate around the entire building more islands you know landscaping connectivity through commercial as well you don't want people so landscaping like a sidewalk and then landscaping. Here's 105. Will be a sidewalk and some landscaping kind of like the park. On 105. Okay, that's what I'm I'm trying off of 105. It's likely that you have the parking up against 105 with with your with your islands drive out building and then you have the cross connectivity. definitely allowed completely under a good job kind of like in front of Starbucks and pande is that what you're thinking about right

outside you know so the text in the text package they have sidewalks at least I think it's a 10t wide share use path south side of 105 we can't remember what they have proposed on the north side but there would be some pedestrian access so we wouldn't need shared use pass on both sides of the or so and police text. Okay. All the way from Shepard to cuz it sure would be nice to do what you know they kind of sit back on even though you have those big box places but at least it's green you know and and possibility of a tree growing maybe. You're not going to just see a concrete field. No, not a concrete field. a good landscaping between but you but I mean in like like Starbucks and Panda Express and yeah developments had to meet your ordinance in terms of like shrubbery and parking lot trees and all that I think with that is that in are we out that way where we can that's an ordinance yeah that's citywide it's okay that affect us at all I don't believe that they were taking a cheating was talking. I know that there were there were certain sections like there's no time. Yeah, they keep on moving. So, yes, it will affect the ride. It will affect the project. It sounds like it's already been considered as far as timing goes. I think now I have my report 274. But it's all in different phases and it moves to better. So, okay. Well, they take some of your CNET. So be sure and incorporate more dirt and green and trees. Just it's on record I sparkling spots. Yeah. Yeah. The good thing is tell the trucks to park in the back. The good thing is we're on the same page and that we're all local. We want to see the

right thing happen here. Yeah. Cuz it's and these guys that's why we're partnering with these guys is they they know what they're doing. They prove themselves. So, uh, yeah, the product that we're trying to market is not sell, right? And who who's building the homes? You all building point and hopefully we're thinking weekly as well. I think so. to the quality 800,000 and it's not gated. It's not gated. This will bring up. Thank you for what's that division. What's that division look like? That division is there currently like an estimated like I wasn't sure if it was that interior attack was one [Applause] you know There's no no action on this one where they are process and the next time are the last council meeting council will discuss the draft which is in your packets they authorize for finalizing that they will just have a draft form at that time the main points of that which is in your packet starting on 860 uh It talks about the price of homes which are north of $700,000 ranging from 45x1 to 50 by100s depending on where in

the land plan the proposed variances which I'll shortly likely join petition annex into an existing uh mud or create a new mud. That discussion is ongoing. They were perform require water and sewer improvements. Uh the sewer improvements that are mentioned on here, this was looked at a handful of times such as creative AB sewer home 105 right now with the Solomon electric building is main part after this project. There's a little grind pump station there that the city has to maintain. So that will be able to get t get rid of uh you Shepard Street. So they have they would pick up and develop that corner at Shepard and so they would finish the improvements of Shepard Street which was part of that development agreement. Is that houses going there? Yes, there are good houses up against there. Yeah, they essentially continue those west side street will not be connected to that was a big yes thing from council. So this be the Carolina street and then access on the 105 and uh those are the main the main items to the agreement. Is there any plans on upgrading Caroline Street? We haven't gotten to that point agreement. I think that you know there will have to be a look especially from mayors and shepherd is that probably window but that hasn't been to this point. That's going to be a busy street to get the kiddos coming out from the park. I noticed a lot of people are unloading their babies from their car seats, putting them in the strollers and you know what I mean like and the other ones coming out definitely with the timing and as we get further into the basins

they're all understanding when the connection to 105 is going in so we're not you know people are are going to 105 and not we're shephering right now. Okay. All right. So I know the intent here is for the mentioned development in the north. That's the Legacy Grove development. Uh looking and I think we're in talks with Trio are trying to provide some connectivity across the creek for pedestrians, golf carts, etc. Being able to get access downtown without having to get on cuz that the road on the other side of the park where there is no parking. Yes. That is a nice size road. You know what I'm saying? it that would be comparable if they could do it over here on the other side where we're where it currently is on Jeff Street where it's maybe as well so it's full of it okay so there's enough room for some parking here still have access so again no action on this item this is more of an update theou is in the works next item we all ready for jump that which is um the actual variances themselves in discussion and recommendation so they can move forward uh with their development because obviously you know proposing the $700,000 home 50ft lots alley mode small setbacks are [Applause] you on the development of the All right. Uh we will move on to item number nine now. Uh consideration of possible action by the planning zoning commission to make recommendation to the city council for various requests related to

the required middle and lot side the frontage and sideyard setbacks for the village villages of Montgomery development. Okay, David pretty well talked about it, but you'll see listed on page 85 packets and variances that are looking for variances for setbacks on the side yards. There's a total lot area of 4950 ft 9,000t minimum and minimum lot width of 45 to 75. This is very new product. We all are used to seeing, you know, different style homes, different size homes. There's still a reason I hear Dave, but I think they're saying 3 4,000 of homes if I remember right on these lots, but it's [Applause] [Music] very pract actually see the uh request for the variances, the reasoning behind it. Obviously, we spent a lot of time talking through the actual product itself. And so, what this would do is this would allow them the claim approval. This just tells them that yes, the variances are approved. We still have to get development agreement in place. Uh but it'll still go to council, but the deal is is this development is is contingent upon these variants. I'm still trying to get ahead early. Is the intent for these variances to be used on all the homes or specific I mean obviously some will be used on all of them the lot width and depth and all that but the setback specifically is that going to be intended to be used on all the homes or specifically the alleyway ones? [Music]

Yeah, just on that. So yeah, the the the side rear um and minimum lot sizes are going to be for all but specifically the 10T front is only on the outlet. Okay. Thank you. I just was curious on the distinction. [Music] So these variances do we need to go separately or this one group? I think we're pretty far from really uh we need a little more information here to come up with these variances. Uh if we can get some more drawings or uh something to go by here. So, my understanding is that they pretty much needed these variances in order in order to put together the plat because right now they just have ideas of what the number of homes and um that they'll be able to put on there once they once they have these variances approved. They can put a plat. We'll still get to see that plat at the end of the day. Correct. And so that's why I'm more open to it because ideally when variances, we hack in with the plaque most of the time. Um so when I saw this initially I was like well I feel like putting the car before the horse but I do understand the situation it does pretty much change the entire uh business outlook of the of the project uh if you can't have these variances and and currently you know we we require that class they have those variances because we're not going to bring all program without having taken action on the variances itself. So this is the landing plan. So it's kind of as close to the plumber plat at this stage uh that we have. So it's we can definitely ask more questions and ask them and provide some more info um for it. But you are correct. So we'll come back early come back to this group uh final come back to

this group and then council still has to give the final approval of the variances approval development agreement plans. There's there's a lot of steps to go, but before they get too far, they they need some assurance on the the variances. I think we just discussed it. I think we're all on the same page. Yeah. Okay. I make a motion that we recommend approval for the variances subject to incorporation of no parking in the alleyways. I'll second that. Okay. We have a a motion and a second. We need a second. I do. Uh [Music] uh for the recommendation to the city council for the variances requested related to the middle lot size setbacks for the village of Montgomery. Uh and noted the no parking in the alleyway. Yeah, correct. Okay. Uh we had a motion and a second. All in favor say I. Oppos say no. Uh number nine has been approved. Item 10, consideration of possible action by the planning and zoning commission on the preliminary plat approval extension for section two of the Lone Star Roots single family development. uh that on April 8th, 2024 approved section is approval of good for one year. That one year passes you're allowed to request developers allowed to request a one time one year extension of the primary. And so in your packets you'll see a copy of

a lot of requests citing that rule of the 12 month extension. There's only one allowed. You cannot go past two years without going back through the process. And then receive a letter from developer requesting and then followed by a copy of showing where section two and they're beginning track section one now. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Section one is moving forward. WSD plans uh will be on council agenda for approval next week. So right now they've been approved to do the masquerade which is out there. uh they have approval on the uh retaining wall plans uh for that section and that their development agreement will be modified to account for that and now based on the time they develop they need section two that they're not proposing any changes the approved just approve a lot of it still has to come back [Music] yeah I The construction date hasn't even changed. [Music] Is this recommendation or approval? This is recommend approved by commission. So this is approval one year extension. [Music] to April 8th, 206. So, one year from two years, I'll make a uh motion that we approve the extension of the preliminary plat for section two of the Lonear Bridge

single family development one year by one year. I second motion. Okay, we have a motion and second for the uh approval by the planning commission on the preliminary plaque extension section two of the road development uh extension will be of 12 months. All in favor say I. I oppose say no. Motion passes. A consideration of possible action by the planning zoning commission on the preliminary plat for legacy road formerly known as heritage road section one. All right. So record from us regarding submission for legacy club section one. Uh this is the trio development over behind mid south napa all the way referred to as stewart track from 105. So what this 435 includes is 65 lots over 49.8 acres. Uh the minimum lot size on this is roughly 15,000 ft. So 3.36 acres is the smallest lotion development. Most of them have a width of 95 ft or greater. Uh so these are large lot development that's being proposed. So there is no variances requested on this property. Um no variances needed. Where they are in the process is they have petitioned and then annexed into the city uh for the section that was out. They are in the process of creating a bud over this property uh to help finance some of the infrastructure. And so this if you look on the the sheets you'll see the layout of the proposed

development and this is approved slide just tells them that everyone's on the same page allows them to start working on the final plot. Uh they've also submitted and we expect to have plans ready for approval for planning judgy growing as well. Pretty straightforward. I recommend approval of the preliminary plat for Legacy Grove. Is this the one that he wanted to do an overpass in? Is this that the building? There is a there is a bridge over Calry. Uh but I believe it is boys box. What is it? Cohorts large box. I think they're 6x6 if I remember right by large boxes um underneath the for the creek crossing. That creek crossing is not part of this phase. That will be section two. So this is the northern end. Section two will be the southern end. So section two is where this will come into play. Correct. Okay, I'll second. Okay, a motion and second for the approval of the preliminary plat for Legacy Grove uh section one. All in favor say I. I. Oppos say no. Uh item 11 passes. Uh number 12, discussion and update on development status and proposed variance related to individual septic systems for MIA Largo reserve development. All right, I think this is last item second to last item. So this development so again end of last year we did a feasibility study was presented to this commission on

October the 1st of last year. Uh this is where there was called Mijago reserve development which at the time was located in city of Karj at the end of Lagona Drive by Lar. So since then the developer has petitioned and been released by the city of Conraj. So now the city is able to annex and provide service to the property. Uh so they are working through that step. This graphou was presented at the last council meeting. Council also agreed uh to proceed with preparing the finalou for approval uh for this development. So that that's the update on it. What this development includes is 51 excuse me. Yeah. 51 3/4 acre lots. Um they're proposing public water in private sector systems for each lot. That's really the main part of the development agreement itself or excuse me theou there. There's not a lot to it. receive four of an agreement. One of those talking about where the property is that it would be to the city public water by the city and that they would provide private on-site sewer um per each lot. So this is only for discussion tonight is to get your feedback. Uh we will not be able to take approval on variances until they annex the property uh since it's not in your jurisdiction to do so. Uh however again kind of the the whole premise of theou is for the city and developer to agree to the general terms agree to what's going to be required and one of the big factors for it is obviously the second variance um to serve this bill. So with that in your packets, you'll see that MOU. You'll also see a copy on [Music] page [Music]

one. Uh your packets a copy of the land plan uh that they occur. Chris, how many acres are currently in the city and how many are in the added? Do you? All I do not have the exact number, but out of the 74 acres, probably at least 73 are outside the city. Oh, wow. It's a very small sliver. So, yeah, just the the very corner of the property. So, the majority of the city is not correct. Is it a money issue um to extend the force main to an on-site lift station for this developer or is it just econ I mean is it economically to do that type of sewer system or so why are they opposed to like I'll let Jonathan try to jump in on this but as far as the engineering feasibility it is feasible to provide a force or a lift station strategies through system of course obviously it is more expensive they're building large lot so dollar is the same situation where they have private septic on public water so that's the existing neighborhood right in front so they did explore the idea of doing onite consistent with the liation those costs are are costs roughly going to be half million or more than if individuals per house I believe is the number. Um so they do want to cater to a larger lot 3/4 acre lot in that meet county requirements for public water distribution system with a separate system and so they want to cater to those 3/4 acre. If they did try to encourage some extra cost for those kind of sewer collections, they probably a little bit smaller and maybe it will

still, you know, meet your lot minimums or they would to exceed the lots for what the house that they wanted to go across. Okay. So, it's more just for sales for them. That's the kind of the market they want to cater towards. They were interested at least going into smaller. Those are things that they still discuss, but this time they still want to go systems. [Music] How much how much of a drain field is required for each item systems going to be able to to discharge the way a sprayer or drip typically time setting system but 500 or 600 gall system is probably capable of two or three spray heads 30 foot radius is what do because it seems like everything's developing over there and everything after hard rain that place holds water. There's a lot of standing water there. Uh there is a pond on northern end. Um I think we've tried to send the letter to the northern developer houses just to make sure that we do capture the drainage which I mean we're about 95% design before we can finish that up and get it. Uh but we do have you know adequate pay system for the canal wasn't excavated before meeting with county and verify that there's not actually any onsite attention if the canal is is considered estr jurisdiction I guess you can say is just want to make sure that we handle our sills during construction post [Music] construction so I have a question about the safety systems, but uh you think the lot's big enough for a spray system. We don't have to pay uh drip systems in the spray should be

fine. The state actually allows half acre for minimums that the county has alternate requirements. Of course, you know, these these systems require so much yearly maintenance. They have a maintenance contract, two-year maintenance contract. things go wrong and uh if they happen to use a spray system, they got to be chlorinated. Anybody who hasn't bought a bucket of chlorine tablets lately. Yeah. Yeah. So you're actually required to require you to to submit a two-year maintenance contract maintenance with council's um obviously theou was making it clear that this is we don't want you know the residents in the developer today said septic and 15 years from Now developers have a picture and all the residents want to get on the sewer system. So that was one of the things that that council requested as part of the agreement is that it's recorded that we city will not provide sewer for future made a decision for subject back later. It hasn't been too many years ago. You know that Conway went through and forced everybody to give her subject tanks. Of course, they were conventional citizens and then the Conro charged them $5,000 to tie in and then there was a lawsuit and then they lost that back and forth. So, it's pretty messy. I mean, I hope for making putting the sewer system in and forgetting all the septic systems. What's the remaining approval process for the septic systems? Uh so typically uh when they go so to even find the property we have to submit a feasibility study to the county. Uh so

we have to actually do like an example lot of an example house show the actual setbacks show kind of an example set design with all the setbacks to prove that they can be done on every lot. So that's something that also just visa that yes these lots are available for housing. Um but then once they pull their house permit they would do a house permit and I imagine that's going to be through the city and the city probably doesn't accept something to the county so they can submit that to the county. the county would issue their ascent permit through their department health department and they go through their inspection. You anticipate any problems with the houses that are backed up to the waterway. Uh no, we have to make sure that feasibility study that all lots can work 75 acres clear flood wave ponds. Uh if they have a pool, they put that plot in there. They make sure that they have a setback for a pool. Um a drip system set back is different than a spray system setback for a pool. Same thing for your building or if they have a pond or the canal flow lane. They all have very different setbacks. Different types of of aerobic systems. So they are constrained to go to a drip system rather than which will save them. It's about a quarter the size and area that you need for for drip. [Music] This back just discussion and feedback council did not offer strong objection to these site systems. Um so a lot of y'all are not want to hear y'all's opinions on whatever y'all decision to allow them to go forward and you know make a decision approval of the grants. I think asking for things like a copy of the accepted feasibility study prior to approval of that variance is is

something that you could definitely ask for uh to see prior to actually taking action on the request for is a feasibility study will um examine the different types of the drip and the spray and pools and the homes that are going to be behind these homes that are going to have the septic system up to We we typically take one or two um prototypes, if you will, for the lot that you know, whether they have maybe a drainage on the side that helps capture some of the offsite flow through the lot. So, it's a little constrained. You put an example house plate on. You show what those septics you could look like. Now, if somebody comes in and you know, the developer is a builder, so they're going to only propose houses that they can actually do a septic system on. It's not even going to sell to somebody who's going to go put a 10,000 foot house that doesn't work. M they're kind of controlling that a little bit. But what they'll do is, you know, if if that home owner does want a pool, they'll have to make that, you know, right off the bat. And I do think there's disclosures that says that they have to they understand that it's going to be on a set system. All right. And then if they do want a pool, like they would have to consult, you know, they got a set system that's they put a pool that's in here. They're going to have to go back and deal with the san that will show how they can modify if all that they can modify their sensing system to accommodate. Are they are they going to back up to any homes right now? Is there a situation subdivision is in the north on the north line Yeah. And I mean those are large lots and so like some of those stuff I'm sure all those are absolutely absolutely I think they're well. Well there's a a wire district up to the north of I don't recall if they actually serve that area but to the south it's just going to be the canal to the north there's nothing like the and now that runoff's going to go into the canal or anything like that but everything that actually

discharges to the canal so we'll have to get I do have like array preliminary saying yes is our jurisdiction um this is the local we want to look at I got an email from the county saying that they as long as array is Okay. Will require attention from you obviously that we're getting into the city of the city to be able to confer the same. Doesn't the design of the second requirement take into consideration the number of occupants in the house? Uh bedrooms and bathrooms. Okay. Number of bedrooms and bathrooms. Yeah, I think it goes up to like again very long time. I think these could be up to 3500T homes just given how big these lots are. But I do think like there's a 3500 foot plus bedroom. So that calculation I recently went through the process of putting a uh aerobic system in on a 1acre lot small house and uh I had the first thing I had to do to get a permit was to go to the McGomery County Health Department and apply for a permit. Then I had to hire an engineer to come out and decide where the house was at, where the system should should go and and how it worked with that particular piece of property. That was $400 upfront or something like that pretty quick. Uh and like I say, just to maintain that system is uh you got to have the engineering certificate, you got to have the chlorine tablets to add and it's it's all very expensive to keep it up and running. And so I had to go through a permitting process and that included a uh a u moisture what do you call soil? Yeah, moisture. Just a test. Yeah. dig a hole and find out what type is. So if it is spray the soil type doesn't actually matter just based on your assistance is based on the

this is fairly only one acre lot. I just have to do something. I just I just want to make sure the run off or anything from the septic system spraying moving or whatever going in any type of water that would be feeding fish or people fish or anything like that or I I just want to make sure that that feasibility is provided to us. In other words, if you're going to just do a do one of your flat uh plots wherever you're going to build the home or whatever, do one over there where it's close to the house or close to the canal so we can see what the feasibility is. We certainly can. I do think the council actually asked if they could ste an example or and build that they can do that or I can do that as well. Just put an example house on it with those. I mean, I'm interested in that because you just people that are doing something uphill, you may not know what's downhill. Yeah. Uh, so just for about 12 foot um is about how much spray you would need 500 gallons per day for a house that be fairly hard for a large house if it drifted be about 3,500 3,000 ft. Uh, we did do there are some mod against the flood lane. We did also do a patient study that actually showed that that lane is that that now was stud long time ago. Obviously changed flood lane quite a bit. So some of the plots that are against the flood plane that would think that would have some conflict with that that flood lane's actually a lot further in. So I do have an stud that point that those are some logical constraints. And I'm interested in the canal too. The canal is it close to a canal where there's water already? There is a there's a very large canal that's on the south end of that. It's kind of where the first section is where they like spillway that dives into it and that actually goes all the way to

the lake. It's all excavated lake stays wet. I just have a kid that fishes in there and I was like yeah I just don't want to mess up there alligators. Yeah. Uh yes, we have that they actually have rights if it's if they have access to a 201 [Music] uh see we're right there they're they're [Music] and who's all keeping who's keeping up with all this like who's doing I mean so at any point we can say hey show us this and there's always I need you to answer that I'd be able to track it down but there's a lot of moving parts so I know part of your approval variances and approval of construction plans for the rest of this can be contingent upon receipt of okay approval receipt of the county approval of the feasibility study you You know, I I cannot speak for Rick or Tilly, but you know, part of the building permit when they go pull the building permit is they have to show their permit for subject. Okay. So, I mean, there's there's a lot of steps to make sure that they're doing that. Now the heart is obviously the the maintenance you know city is not going to have and does not have the staff nor you know is the intent that the city is keeping up that they have their maintenance records and that they have they're doing that you know in perpetuity that's going to fall back up do they have the the homeowner and all that set all that goes per minute goes basically through the the county health department. Do they have

scheduled um inspections that they have to meet to keep that up to code? You're required to have a a quart inspection by a approved firm, a sanitation company, septic company to then submit those reports uh to the county. You're always required to have always have it. If you're a maintenance contract, you're always supposed to have it. So when it laps, you're going to be required to to have a new look. So we can go to public public records and look up if we want to. Absolutely. And I'm sure there's a thousand people that have love those laps and Yeah. I was just wondering how we're going the checks and balances because we're growing so much and it's going to be a different sewer system than someone else, you know, and they're going to you just don't know what the reaction is going to be to the surrounding residents. So there's a long process to go through here and develop agreement and annexation. You get to see the plat come to you officially. You know, we've got them [Applause] access to show you and the ruling in the ordinance states, quote, "No plant may be approved with an on-site sewer facility unless no alternative source is available." That's the various I think there's two ordinance that we were seeking it was I can't remember what it was but I think one was that one and then another one said that I think that were required connected to the so the feasibility study study says there is an alternative source there is but that they're seeking they want to 3/4 acre lots they want to do what the developer Jason that's what they're seeing that's the product they would like to do I think they they went through collection they would say okay

maybe go to 75 lot minimums or something different have a higher product so they can make up that additional cost to think exactly what they do but that is an alternate they've got you see those increased cost of what they ask you to be able to see how they do [Music] okay 13 consideration possible action on the acceptance of by annual water and waste water assumptions. All right. Two documents are passed out in front of you. One is request and second. So just background obviously the city has impact fees. Uh impact fee requires that the capital impact advisory [Applause] commutions and the capital improvement plan by annual basis. So last fall I did a review. There were updates recommended at that time and those updates were made and adopted and put into order. So it updated the impact piece. We're now 6 months down the road. So as well as there have been a couple annexations that have occurred. So the land use assumptions have changed. Also glossy things continues to to change and escalate and the timing of improvements continues to change uh as well. So what is in front of you on this sheet is what you all saw last time. So again, the way that this word is written for your lane use assumption is based off of your zoning map, not future lane use because that wasn't the adopted table is what your zoning is. So the things that are changed are highlighted in red or kind

of bolded in red on here. You have the annexation of the legacy road property. You have the annexation of the Montgomery crossing property and then continue development and kind of refinement and changes to the uh CTE Center Ridge and Bri development as they're working through that process. So the updated forms in front of you within five shows that updated zone uh based on the annotation. One thing that is important to note the property we just talked about element is not included in here as it has not been annexed. So again assuming that all moves forward that will be another major assumption change that will come back as we continue to work through this process. So one thing we did a little bit in this table that doesn't necessarily impact your land use assumptions is we added this table at the top just to give you kind of give you an understanding of where things stand. of the total 3900 or so that are within city limits. You have approximately 1,400 undeveloped 1,53 developing excuse me developed 835 developing about 120 that are in floodway and flood plane etc that aren't really developable. Uh so you know that's a obviously a significant amount of development. We have 1,000 acres developed and 835 developing. uh there's a lot there. So that's where those different hatches show on this map is what is developing, what is developed and then the stuff that is unhatched are already existing properties developed in the city. So so there's a lot of pieces. So plan tonight is you agree with our assumptions again based on your zoning map. So there's not a lot of leeway yet.

Um kind of just understanding what we will do is we will go and update your impact fee table. We've actually done most of that work. And what happened is the the overall we're projecting additional 3500 connections over a 10-year period. Last time we're still around that same 3500. It just moved a little bit. So a lot of things have moved earlier in that time frame and then some things moved off. So the total is still around the same. Uh but we obviously had a plan and cost has gone up. But we would do expect to be presenting to you all in proposing back the increase at your next uh meeting for consideration. What's the Could you give us the status on the overall water improvement? Uh so you have a bunch of different projects going on right now. Uh you're in design as a waste transplant. Uh so that is we're expect to next week two weeks uh to do that. We're also waiting on the final permit for that which should be obtained also by the end of this month. It's been sitting in the state for a long time. Uh that design is supposed to be wrapped up this fall to start bidding and construction early next year. Uh the water project, so you have three different ones that are ongoing. Uh you have your water two improvements which upsizes the water well over here. That well has been dug and here I think in China. So next week they start their pump test uh and developing that well uh to get it get it going. 36-hour test that will start next week that replaces a failed 300galon per minute drill that they propose. We'll see the final test show 500 or so gallon per minute background source capacity water that we are waiting on environmental review. is being funded by

the AR funds. Um, and so they have to go through the bottom federalally funded and even though it's an existing cycle that's developed next to the other pump still. So that once we have that it will out construction carry the equipment this summer construction in the fall. And then the last project is the water plant number four. So, the new water plant with proposed elevated storage tank on the far west side of the city that we're in negotiations with the engineering firm on the final design cost. Um, and then also we're looking at some alternators to see if we can buy a little bit more time on the elevated portion of that project and go ahead and do the well and the other facilities in place. So, a lot of moving pieces, a lot of development. That's one thing that we're doing right now is we have so many new developers uh we are we're going in finer detail on our projections to bring those back with the capital impact at the same time on a quarterly basis as these developments are coming in to kind of show over time where that capacity falls in terms of projected growth. So you're you you're confident that our rate of improvement of the water sources is going to keep up or ahead of the development. It is fact. Um we you know that is the goal for sure. Uh keeping a close eye on it. We have you know we're still sitting at 55 or so% of our sewer capacity. uh waterway capacity. We're we're still we're in a good spot today, but there is as we talked about 834 acres developing is a lot of homes and a lot of ones that we just talked about. One thing also is we have seen urban developers as home sales have slowed. Um so Montgomery then has pushed their future sections back now I think to

potentially late summer to start section 3. uh where originally they were going to start already in Kentucky section three. So kind of home sales are slowing a little bit which helps but uh there's there's it it is close and so we have a special meeting with council coming up in a few weeks to go through some funding options because I impact us a good amount of there but there's still still funds to come up with. So um there's a lot of pieces in the works. Don't remember if I mentioned this group or not. Uh we also submitted to Texas Water Development Board uh for funding from them. Our applications were approved uh for the the first round. So now they're working through that process which are some low interest loans from that front. So it's being attacked on multiple fronts along with we are you're right on the line um and staying ahead with contingencies. We don't we like to have a little bit of fluff in our projections and not be on it. Keep a close eye on it for sure. That's one thing as we're developing these development agreements. Um we might put some triggers and some timelines to do the first lots, but section two needs to wait until beyond this time that Thank you. I'll make a motion that we accept the banual water and wastewater and land use assumptions. Second. I have a motion and a second for acceptance of the bianual water and wastewater land use assumptions. All in favor say I. All say no. Item 13 passes. Uh 14. Consideration possible action on the regular meeting minutes of April 1st, 2025. Make a motion we accept the regular

meeting minutes of April 1st, 2025 as published. Second. I have a motion and a second for the acceptance of the regular meeting minutes of April 1st, 2025. All in favor? I oppose. those location. Is there any commission inquiry or did they have you sign this forms? Yeah. What is Yeah. What is So, I put in front of you a uh public access form and it's uh something that you guys should have on file. So, if a citizen does an open record request and it's got your information in it, we can legally uh redact that information. And without it then we have to review information attorney general for I um I don't know if y'all got these emails but I had emails from uh they said there was a resident in town uh too uh wanting to know information about different properties or whatever. I might be able to pull that up maybe after meeting or show you. I didn't respond to any of them cuz I didn't know who they who they were. Uh but how is this is this saying that I mean do they have access to a city email? No, that's a public access option form. It's something that we just keep on file with with uh for you. So, if there is someone who um does an open record, those following items that are on there, the AG's office says that we can withhold that information. Okay. But should they have my email address? Your city email address? Yes, it's public. Is it public? Okay.

You want them tonight? Yes. that if you need those [Music] fine bar Oh yeah, of course that one. All right. I'll second his motion. Delayed reaction. Got a motion motion and a second for rejoinment of the uh May 5th 6. All in favor? I opposed at 7:5 a lot.