City Council - workshop

Workshop agenda. All the items on the workshop agenda are for discussion. Number six. Presentation and discussion on the proposed FY2027 tax rate. Ms. Carl. Hello, Mayor, Council Members.

All right. We've received our tax rate calculation from the tax office on July 28.

And based on the information that was provided, the taxable value increased by 6.61%, and our parcel count increased by 12.62%. The calculated no new revenue rate is 0.3921 for $100, and the voter approval rate is 0.4649 for $100. Since fiscal year 2020, council has maintained a tax rate in tonight's budget that we'll be discussing. In your packet, I provided you a copy of the notice about the tax rates, which is the piece that was required to be posted on our website. We did that last week. It was due by Friday. It was posted before that. And there's also the information from the tax office related to the

Types of parcels. Properties.

Whether or not these are under review. The exemptions. All of those details. As far as the proposed tax rate goes, that's something that we'll be taking action on tomorrow evening. Does anybody have any questions about the tax rate or the calculation of the tax office?

Mr. Donaldson, do you have any questions? No.

Thank you. Item number seven, presentation and discussion regarding the proposed budget for FY2027. All right. So there's a few more pages in this budget that there was at the last workshop. I'm going to start at the beginning.

Any of the changes that we made, I've highlighted in here for you. The first change, it's page 18 of your packet, page 2 of the budget That use of surplus funds, we were able to reduce that. Oh, let me go back to the top, the . This is where we brought in the calculation from the tax office. As you may recall, those that have been through this process before, when we do the budget, we put in the calculation about 40 cents but we only take it at 97%. So that way we're not, that allows for a few things. So what that does is it allows us to maybe not collect all of our property tax revenue and also gives us a little bit of a buffer for any properties that might be under protest when people get their tax bills. So that's the number at the very top of the page. So since the last workshop, this one was increased slightly. So it's now 2,124,042. Then at the bottom of the page. Oh, yes.

On page one, y'all didn't put the figure for the general fund surplus and deficit.

Because there isn't there it's right it's even your right now your total revenues of 9,449,171.

And your total expenses we have at 9,449,171.

Change. So that summary page changed slightly, but the reason that it changed are because of these items that are in the worksheet, right? So we had an increase in the accolade. Our proposal on the use of surplus funds has dropped down. And remember, this use of the surplus funds is directly related to improvements at the park. The park improvements are still in this budget at $800,000. If we keep those improvements at $800,000, the amount that would be needed from surplus based on this budget is $643,000. So if there are changes made in that park design that reduce that, the need for the surplus funds would be reduced as well.

Okay, so moving on to page 20 for packet.

We've had a slight change on health insurance, and that was just due to employee usage. There was somebody between last workshop and this workshop that had made an adjustment in their dependent coverage, and so we planned that for the future since it didn't go well. You'll notice on all of these the workers comp number changed. Remember I talked a little bit about that in the last meeting about how I was still gonna go in and adjust that rate to account for the discounts that we get with TML. So that number is reflected in here.

Do we think we're getting the best for our insurance? Do we think we're getting the best price and best benefits? I think we are. Who did we shop against? Because we're going through TML. Who else did we shop with?

So as far as health insurance goes, this year we did talk to a broker about what our options would look like. One of the biggest factors in moving away from Texas health benefits pool for our health is while we might get a really good rate in year one outside of the pool, in order to get back into the pool, there's a two year waiting period. The other thing that the other entities can't match are those other features that the pool offers. Like we have a feature in our health insurance called Lantern. provides a variety of services at no cost to the employee. So they have no copay, they have no deductible. In turn, that helps us to be able to keep our rates down on our regular medical because those claims aren't hitting the medical. They're staying in that added benefit under Lantern. We also have an added feature under Next Level, which allows them access to Next Level urgent care centers seven days a week, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. at no cost. And there are some additional features that Texas Health Benefits, they look each year to roll out some new things, and there's some new things that'll be coming in this next year. So when we looked at and talked to the broker about some of those other features, it's really hard to look at that long term and what that impact would be.

So two years, is that a hard, fast rule? Or is that just how long the line is? A hard, fast rule.

So and it's a two part. So it's a two year waiting period. And then your loss ratio has Yeah, so there's a few things that come into play. And we know based on our utilization with the lantern program at the next level, that if we didn't have those services available, our utilization would be.

Did the broker suggest that, did the broker that you were talking to, did they indicate to you that we might be better, say where we are?

They certainly understood when we talked to them about the features that we have available with the pool. They definitely understood that we have some pretty good features. Yeah, it is something that we looked at.

The ones I've seen switch are ones that have enough money to self-insure part of their plan. If you get to that point, I think there's real benefits, but

I think the county does that, and I know that they pay significantly. The employees pay significantly less than what we pay. So that was the point of my question, is curious, is A, are we shopping around? Because there's been years since I've been on council that we didn't shop around. And B, if we did shop around, what did we look like compared? I'm not trying to compare to the county. I just want to compare to other plans to ensure that we're getting the best for our employees. So one thing you have to think about is our size is only 40. So let's stream on to this little city.

But it's little in terms of being able to have leverage in those benefits. And that's where taking advantage of the pool gives us a little bit of that leverage.

Yeah, right.

Is that because we're pooled with other cities or other entities? Are we part of that or are we just standing?

Yes. So each group basically... it carries its own set of circumstances with it, right? Like our utilization is just our utilization. But when they go out to get the rates from Blue Cross Blue Shield, we are all put into a pool. And if we, let's say that our utilization, like for what we pay in to our rates or for our monthly premiums, If we use more than that, if our premiums don't cover our actual cost of services throughout the year, the pool subsidizes that difference. So that works to our benefit. So if we had somebody who had a condition that caused us to go above and beyond what we had put in for our premiums. Instead of that being a negative hit on our group individually, the excess in the pool helps to fund that. That's one of the big advantages of being in that pool.

Just throwing this out there, is it possible, because we're a small city compared to others, is there ever an opportunity to join a pool like, let's say, rates for those higher rates because there's more people or whatever the other cities that we looked at making a bigger pool so it's not just 40 people which can be expensive we can hitch our wagon to another to another town but because they go it's like you're either in the pool or you're out of the pool yeah yeah i mean i'm just something to consider i don't know the numbers but i know that is

Yeah, and to Brent's point, what you normally hear, like when we're at conferences and so forth, what you hear in the difference, those that are not with the Texas Health Benefits Rule are typically self-funded.

There's very large cities or large communities.

There are a lot of the MUDs and others that are part of TML, but they go in TML as a group, so they get the better prices because they're- There's headcount. Yeah, that you have a little more power when you have more people. Yeah. and that is something I mean I don't know up here but for example in the city you know the memorial villages and all they all pool together because they're all small small villages and they go in with the water district and the fire department so they create number of heads that's what I'm throwing out is that yeah if we've ever looked at that kind of situation yeah so I think that's different in talking about with particular like with firefighters I know there are some

and join together and be a bigger group.

I didn't mean to derail you, I just want to make sure we're getting the best for our money. We do take a look at it.

All right, then on page 21 of your packet, we have an increase here on the travel and training council line item. Ruby came to us and asked if we could increase that. We've just had an increase in council members who are taking advantage of the incredible opportunities that we have, like the TML conferences and so forth. So that's why that line item went up.

Sorry, what page was that on? It's page 21 of the overall guide. Got it, okay. It's the school version. All right, page 22 of the package starts with the police department.

And you'll see those first seven lines there are all related to payroll costs. And the adjustment here is related to an increase in promotion and structuring in the department that was not included in the last workshop. So there's your questions.

I'm sure that Chief would be happy to address them, but that's what those numbers are about.

Well, I just have one question. I'm not disputing the figure or anything, but you made another line item for protective gear that wasn't in last month's budget.

Can you turn over to the next page, Councilmember? You'll see that the Capitol Outlet ballistic vests and shields was reduced to $0 because we moved that line item. Chief asked, he said, can we please move that out of ballistic vests and shields and put those funds under protective gear? So that's what we did. So it didn't change, that didn't change the bottom line at all. It just represents that expenditure better. It's not, he's not spending money on this.

You made another line item instead of being under, is uniformed with safety equipment. For me, that's protective gear.

And part of the reason that we get that protective gear that you see the officers wear, we purchased protective gear for each officer that comes in. The last two of the two officers

And so if we're done with that topic, the health insurance is up 32%. Is that additional employees and the same thing, a dad and family or what?

So yes, this was that item I talked about last time about how our anticipated increase in premium is 8%. But that 32% increase is over what was budgeted in this current year for what we're budgeting for next year, and that's based on actual utilization of our policies. So last year, we may have had individuals, we may have had more individuals who were just on employee-only coverage, and this time we have people who are working on dependents. To your point also, Stan, the uniforms and safety equipment, That line item is now seen in CCPD. So that's why that zero in the general fund. Any other questions on police?

Okay, some for the rural packet.

How it works.

You can see an adjustment on that workers' comp premium again, just due to calculating with the savings. Nothing else in the public works budget change. Page 27, on court, the only thing that changed again was the workers' comp. Excuse me there are two items that changed one the workers comp item And then page 32 the transfer to desk service and

And this was based on, I think I touched on it in the last workshop, saying that we would look at what our surplus projections were on the water and sewer side. And this is that debt issuance from this current year that we'll be utilizing impact fees to help spread that out over time. But this is the amount that we are looking at utilizing from the water and sewer

All right, so now some new pages that you have not seen in the last couple of workshops.

And these are areas that are just informational basically because these are not operational funds. They are things that we have to pay, commitments that we have. So debt servicing being the first one here. So this gives you the breakdown of what we expect to bring in in the debt servicing role. transfers in transfers in from the water and sewer fund there's also a transfer in from CCPD the idea with that and we'll talk a little bit more about that when you see the CCPD budget but the idea with that is that moving forward with the new building in the anticipation of needing debt issuance to fund the build out of the building, this would be the projected CCPD's portion in this next year. So if there is no debt issuance, that transfer will never happen, but that's where that number comes from because we have to show that we have the funding ready, yes. so we're talking about a portion in the first year and in all likelihood in that first year will be depending on timing of when we are able to issue the debt would be the ideal would be an interest only payment in year one so that will bring the payment amount down so Then on page 35, you see the amount that we have due in principal and interest and then our paying agent fees.

Any questions? It's double since 23.

What was that? Our city has almost doubled in our budget since 23.

So on the debt service side?

Just the whole picture. You know, income and everything. When I first started, it was like in the $5 million or right in the $5 million range. And now we're up in the $9 million range.

We had a lot of growth since I started three years ago. We had roughly around 1,100 utility accounts and this last month we had over 1,400. So.

2018, my first year, we approved a $3.2 million budget. I'll wear a Band-Aid. Now we're doing.

Now we're live on. That's right.

All right, page 36 is MEDC revenue. We've got their sales tax revenue. And the big one that you see on there is the use of surplus funds. And this is to fund the McGowan Street project and a portion, the remaining portion of the Wayfinding project. So that's the, where they've been putting the funds aside, and putting them aside, and putting them aside, and now we're using it on these big projects.

And those are going to be in Stillman.

The road?

Oh.

Starting on the 17th, we're going to put all the ones on the outside, then they're going to put the parking signs downtown 17th through.

17th of August, I was in like this Monday.

Yeah, 17th through, I think, I don't know, like five days to get the concrete board and get the signs that they created. I should have brought you a picture of one, but, you know, coming into Montgomery.

You look good.

That's impressive. They're way bigger than I, I was like, okay.

Get wrapped. Get wrapped.

Black colors, of course. All right. And on page 37 are your expenses for MOTC. Any questions on the MOTC budget?

All right, next page is CCP. I see their revenue mirrors the MEDC revenue. 39 is their expenditures. And that's where you see that. All right, and the next ones are clearly the bid revenue.

You may recall we get a presentation by Coats Rose annually. It talks about the kid revenue. This is set. We'll spend a set rate. Revenue comes in.

Revenue goes out. Page 42 has the core security. The revenue. we do budget a small portion for expenditures on the close security side.

Again, those are special revenue funds, so those are very specific. We can only use those funds for a very small list of items.

And page 46, the same on the jury fund.

Page 47 is the projected revenue for court technology. number of things and so there are some pieces of the Tyler encode software that court uses that we expand to. Page 49 has the hotel occupancy. We've been carrying an expenditure Just kind of a carve out if we had an expenditure or tourism expense. This is where that would come out of It's been some of those funds in 25 and

Page 51 is lease asset forfeitures.

One of those things we never count on getting anything, but you do get a little bit of interest revenue because of funds in that. So we put that in there.

Can you use that only for specific items?

It's like, who can you use those funds for?

Cheap, your asset forfeiture funds. They're kind of restricted to, we don't get to just use them on anything.

This is kind of restricted to actual police stuff.

Well, I mean, it's not generous, but just curious.

Each year, you never get the same amount each year. And so when you're looking at spending it, it would be training sometimes, but you never...

and training things and things like that.

And we already had the ammo and all the things that we need in that section.

Yeah, 296. 296 for you. You can knock yourself out with that one.

All right.

Page 53 is Shop of the Cop. 52 is the Shop of the Cop Revenue.

is a snapshot of the capital projects fund.

This is one of those things we've talked about in the past and trying to be able to show this information that corresponds to the big spreadsheet we get from WGA with all of the projects. So what we did here is we went ahead and broke it out. I'm going to talk about the expenditure side first, so the bottom half of this page. We put the expenses in here based on the projects that the category that each project is in. So water, sanitary sewers, storm sewer and drain, roadway. And then the McGowan Street, which is being funded from MEDC, wayfinding funded from MEDC. And that transfer to debt service. That's that impact fee that I was talking about of utilizing impact fees. Those impact fees are housed in Fund 200. And so we use those funds to pay for debt servicing. This is where you see that. We only looked at what's happening in next fiscal year as far as the expenditures go. And in turn at the top, we've only looked at the revenue projections in this next fiscal year. So other funds or reserves transfers from this current year certificate of obligation We expect to spend $24,941,000 of those funds in this next year for the projects that are outlined below. And you have the transfer in from the general fund. We have streets that were funded. I recall that you saw that in the public works department in the general fund.

is transfer in for impact fees.

Impact fees, when they're receded in, come into the water and sewer fund, and then we transfer them back out to capital. Then you have PPC, two transfers, and developer contributions. So when you look at that big spreadsheet from WGA, and it talks about projects that are funded, I'm gonna say BCS's project, When BCS puts up their money into escrow to pay for the road improvements, that's considered a developer contribution. So you will see between the revenue and the total expenses, there is a slight delta in there and that was covered on the WGA big spreadsheet when they came and talked to us about the capital. There are things that they're looking for under House Bill 500. They're looking for other funding sources for some of our projects. So there are some different things that happen along the way, right? Like we've got, there's potentially some options. We can always push pause on some of those projects if we don't get to the point where those projects are fully funded. But we don't have a revenue stream to be able to say, this is where it is right now. So it's not a huge delta, but there is a slight delta there. But again, we have some control over those projects that don't have an automatic tie to the revenue and expense.

Any questions on that? All right, well that's workshop.

budget that was given to you this evening is the same one that will be brought to you tomorrow night as the proposed budget consideration and that proposed budget would then be what is posted on our website for the 30 days that gets us that 30-day waiting period before you can take action to adopt the budget any question

Number eight, presentation and discussion by Telsman, regarding the proposed budget for the Municipal Complex Project.

I'll help you guys get started so you're not give you a little help. Just so you guys remember where we are in this, this is all free construction still. The architect has worked through this quite a bit and we're working towards the guaranteed maximum price. And the information that they're gonna give you is working towards that guaranteed maximum price. And between now and then, we're going to bring a lot more information to you. You'll be able to look at it, look at how much it costs, and then decide whether the guaranteed maximum price is where you want to be, if all the things that we've added in or taken out or all of that works. And that's what they're going to talk about tonight.

Thanks for having us.

from Tillipson. Just wanted to give you kind of an update as to kind of where we're at and how we got to where we're at. If you guys remember, my team back, we were kind of proceeding, we gave a concept budget of $10 million I believe back in 2025. I just wanted to run through that because I want everyone to be kind of clear as to what a concept budget was. That was a budget that my team put together that was based upon, you know, based rough floor plans, early design floor plans, and early design elevations, and a couple pretty renderings that we put together. So that didn't have, you know, CM fees because at the time we weren't going down the CM route, you know. So I just wanted to get, kind of paint that early on picture. And since, since Telipson was hired on and that initial concept budget was presented, we've been working through a lot of different design options and some, some adds to the, to the project. One ad that I wanted to kind of highlight was, you know, we worked with Brent and Brent suggested adding a lot more parking. You know, there's a lot of redevelopment going on in downtown Montgomery and redeveloping that parking lot. If anyone's been in that parking lot, you know, the parking lot kind of is very steep, drains down to the middle, and it doesn't have enough parking. So also by code we needed more parking, but Brent asked us to explore expanding that parking lot to maximize the amount of parking that we can get onto that site. So that was something that was added after the initial concept budget. Since then, we've also got the entire design team on board. We have our structural engineers, mechanical, electrical, and geotech. I know Brent has kind of informed me a little bit. We've been struggling with the geotech report. Terracon has been fine to work with. There was just some interpretations of the soil conditions out there that we've been working through. For instance, the initial report stated that they wanted us to go 12-foot caissons with bells inside the building. So we've been really working to kind of hone that in and try to bring that in. My team, we factored in spread footing, shallow foundations and spread footing. So you can kind of see the... The difference of just the cost opinions of what that would be, you know, 12 foot.

For the layman's terms.

So a shallow foundation would go down one, two feet, maybe three feet. A caisson would be two feet in diameter going 12 foot down with a bell so that it prevents the uplift from the soil. So definitely a lot more concrete and a lot more and trying to do that inside the building and miss all the great beams that are in there. It's definitely a little bit more challenging. Also for the addition of the building that we're putting on where the lumber storage yard is, the soils are really terrible out there. We did not know that at the time. They're asking us to dig out 78 inches and bring in 78 inches of engineered fill. And we still at that point have to do some caissons with combination of shallow foundations and caissons there as well so those are all things that we found out in the last really like six months of this project once we got geotech involved so we're working together as a team we've had just hundreds of calls teams calls working to kind of to design these systems some of the things that we're working on currently exploring right now are kind of cost, not value, I hate to say value engineered, but cost options for certain systems within the buildings. The initial schematic design narratives that some of the engineers that was just a starting point, we started off with a VRF system. That's a really nice system for mechanical, but it's also a really expensive system. So we're looking at cost options of going to package rooftop units. We believe as a team that it's going to get you a really nice product and there'll be some cost savings there. So we're kind of evaluating that. Another Another option that we're looking at was from the electrical side of things. The initial narrative stated they wanted a 2500 amp service. These guys have had lots of conversations with electrical contractors. Our electrical engineer has since designed the systems and we're exploring going down to a 1200 amp system, which also then brings the size of the generator down. So there's a major cost implications there. We're having quite a bit of conversations too. We don't quite have the GMP yet. These guys are working on it. We're working together as a team to kind of bring that all in. So I just wanted to give you an update from, I know a lot of people have had conversations with Brent, Telps, and the mayor about the $10 million budget. I just wanted to kind of give you an update as to where that was a starting point and some of the things that have been added to the project since that has taken place.

Everything seems to be going up. Has that impacted some of the items that would be used? I mean, materials obviously have impacted. What's that impact look like?

Oh, I mean, definitely the things that are going on around the world have definitely an impact. I can't speak for Telepsen, but we do own a steel company and we've seen our prices rise. I know for a fact that concrete, I mean, anything that's based, that has gasoline patrolling based, they're going up. So that could change, that could get worse. So those are all kind of commodity that we're seeing in the, I'll let Sam talk about that as well.

One of the things that we look at is the producer price index and they're typically two months behind but in may that was 1.3 percent month over month and we haven't seen that type of trend since we were in the midst of the pandemic another driver of escalation that we're seeing are data centers and they're just creating a vacuum of supply they're setting up supply so in addition to what we're seeing around the globe that centers have been a challenge for us to project and

Question so all these additional costs that you've seen how much are you trying to offset based on it? Like do you have an estimate of what these additional things cost? Are we talking a million dollars and you got to reduce a million on the side or what? What are you playing?

We're trying to stick with yeah Councilmember I definitely don't want to be invasive, but we're literally looking at every aspect every component with not just me you know, millions of dollars if possible. We're looking at every last component to this foundation. We're looking at the envelope, we're looking at the skin. The site has been a big point of topic with storm utilities and some of the reroute with fire and water. But there is no sign, there is no aspect of this project that we're not, you know, with positive tension challenging one another,

I know we've had conversations certainly as a team, but we're preparing a list so that we can get your guys' input on which options you guys would like. I mean, again, this isn't my building. It's not Talbson's building. This is your building. So we are gathering all the information as possible, and we want to present you with the options so that if you guys really want a VRF system, These are the costs. And they're working with mechanical subcontractors or mechanical engineers. We're meeting with electrical contractors. We're trying to get pricing so that we can present these options and give you the most accurate pricing possible. So right now, yeah, we want to present you an update, but I don't want to sit here and say it's a $3 million savings. We don't have that information just yet.

So we're working on it. If you quote us $5 million, and then that's with today's pricing, but the word ends and it goes down to 4.2. Do we get to see that goodness and recognize that?

Absolutely. Dollar for dollar, whatever we don't need, you get that here.

I'm having a meeting tonight to actually see a figure, so we're not really going to see a figure, are we? No, ma'am.

with a generator this facility will be you know designed with a generator to make it an emergency operating operating facility so just want to make sure y'all understood that's what y'all we heard y'all wanted that's what you'll be getting and that's my i'm i'm working alongside with these guys to execute to make sure that

So concerned with the price right now. I'm concerned about the fact that it seems there's a subsidence issue. And we have various ways to try to solve it. Because if we do have that kind of issue and the soil isn't as foundation support of it isn't as sufficient as what we need to keep the building from sinking that we've got a couple of alternative plans to fix it I mean that's the way to be like about swell they was about subsidence that the clay there is it's got a potential vertical rise of maybe

And so the option that we already have talked about with him is doing it. They call it a chemical injection of a Polly I've lost the words but it is a product that they can put in there that's basically locked that plate up So it will not go up. It will not slow that It's more expensive than a typical even more expensive than putting a select fill in there and taking it out putting select fill back in and The whole idea about the select fill is that you stabilize that 78 inches, and it's no longer got that swelling potential or sinking.

Okay.

So yeah, we're looking.

So it's really stabilizing that foundation and ensuring that there's no... Yes, ma'am.

And that's been the drive. It's literally driving the entire project.

So my understanding from Brent is too, is y'all had to go and drill down and drill in the concrete and everything to find all that, which was something that was not anticipated.

The extent of it wasn't.

Yeah, the extent of it.

Sorry, that was going to happen with the extent of it. The deep caissons, just for everyone's information, Jim's Hardware, their existing foundations only go down seven feet. things that we're working through. And obviously my team, when we were doing the initial concept budget, we were just factoring in shallow foundations and going down a foot or two, you know, with spread footers and, you know, having to do 78 inches of fill, 12 foot caissons in grade beams. That's something we wouldn't have known until we had the geotype on. So... We're working, we're trying everything we can to give you guys the best bang for the buck and ensure that this building is something you'll be very proud of. And I'll have the tomorrow, my interior designer and I were down here, we were having an interior design charrette with kind of the team that we've been working with. We'll have some updated rendering, some updated floor plans and kind of the fun, sexy stuff to show tomorrow. And then, you know, you'll get an update as to kind of where we're at in terms of the building design and everything.

Like the front facade?

Yeah, the front facade is part of it. You'll have some more renters. And you said next working section or finance?

And the idea is with all these different things, challenges that we've come up with, before we get to the GMP, this is where the part where you guys get to look at this data, tell us how to proceed with it. You know, do you want this? Do you want this, this, how much it costs? There's a lot of cost decisions in here before we just say, here's the price because there are options. And that is the beauty of the way this works because they're the construction managers, but you guys get a boat as we go. The parking lot thing, I did that after the fact, because I heard it from the community, we need more parking. So it's in there. That doesn't mean we have to do it. It's expensive, but. There are some options.

Are you talking about going out to that green space and stuff?

Yeah, expanding it and then fixing the problems that we have. It would be repaving the entire thing basically.

one of the way to look at it is we're going to we have to bring you know reroute a lot of the utilities anyway with the building so there's going to be significant part of that parking lot that's going to be torn up anyway um so the time to do that would be worth it yeah so i'm sorry guys but i didn't bring what i thought y'all would bring not for me but we'll see you in what three weeks

Any other questions? So tomorrow night we'll actually get to see all the materials that you're going to be here.

We have most of the materials in our next room over there. My intern designer, Jenna Walker, will be here. She'll be kind of co-presenting. She'll run through some interior rendering. Again, these are all preliminary, nothing set in stone. But we wanted the point of today was just kind of a working session in a little earlier, and tomorrow we'll just be presenting kind of where we're at in concept on the interior. So I think tomorrow you'll really get a sense of like where we're at, you know, and it's pretty exciting to start to see some of the interior right now as well.

and get our eyes, get our mind.

Much like what we just talked about, about providing the VE options. You know, we want feedback. You know, I've said this all along. We want feedback on the interiors. If you absolutely hate it, great. What would you like? You know, and there's things that you like.

We want to know that, how we can kind of carry that through the rest of the building. Thanks.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank y'all. Closing agenda, item number nine, counseling query.

it'll be another workshop just like tonight to plan because we'll have a lot more data and a lot more different prices you know because we really want to get like there's some options on the generator there's some options on that so you need to see what that looks like we're going to put together how we're going to pay for this we'll look at the the way the ccpd works and the part that'll be the general fund we'll look at how that involves all sales tax and not because when we get to the guaranteed maximum price, that's when you guys are gonna vote for that price.

And that's the not to exceed price, but it can be lower than that.

The construction manager, that is their job. They give us that guaranteed price and then deliver the project no more than that price or it costs them money. I need to understand

you know, a novice perspective. You know, what's the difference if we change the amperage from 2,500 to 1,200? What are we losing or gaining by using either one? Because I wouldn't understand that. Yeah, we'll get you all that at that meeting.

We'll find all that.

The pros and cons of the changes.

The pros and cons of that. I will tell you that the 2,500 amps was given as a kind of a placeholder and a place to from the engineer, he said we've done other city halls and this is where it kind of aligned with. But once they got into actually designing it and talking with some electrical contractors in the area, it's been determined that we can still meet the letter of the law for the building, have some room for future expansion, and that provided, we think, some significant costs. there and we feel that it's very viable to look at and if it saves us a significant chunk of money and you still have the building that we all want then we feel like that that's something we should look at.

I think it's pretty common that the engineers start out a little bit conservative but once they start to have definition around the mechanical system and the equipment and they start to map out their service they get a lot closer to what reality will look like.

And obviously, you know, having electrical contractors look at it to provide some preliminary pricing that helps, you know, a software, you know, they know real time pricing.

So that helped.

Anything else for Councilor McQuarrie? All right. Number 10, items to consider for placement on future agendas. Who gave us the date for that workshop? Number 11, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Make a motion to adjourn. Motion by Ms. Fox. Second by Mr. Glazier. All those in favor of adjourning, say aye. Aye. Ms. 655 will adjourn this meeting. Thank y'all.