City Council - Regular Meeting

It's exactly 6 p.m. and this is the Speed of Memory workshop for June 15th, 2026 at 6 p.m.

I apologize for the delay.

And I'd like to ask Dr. Johnson to do the information now.

Thank you. Heavenly Father, we thank you for this evening. We are here to address what I consider the three main functions of our council, which is to maintain a good, strong police force, to maintain our infrastructure for all the citizens, and to create a budget that's realistic for us in the coming year. We thank you that you're going to give us wisdom and knowledge and opportunity, Father, to do what's right. And we praise you. In Jesus' mighty name, amen.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Now the Texas flag. Honor the Texas flag.

I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state.

Do not receive any citizen's thoughts, so we'll be moving right along. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Here's one right now. I am so glad that the city of Montgomery is so interested in us that they show up so much.

Thank you. I'm glad that it's being recorded so everybody knows that they're showing up. That is correct.

I think it's the more informed people are here. All right, with that, we'll go on to the workshop agenda. All the items on this agenda are for discussion. Number five, FY27 Department of Budget Discussions.

Yes?

Marianne Groh.

Hello, Mayor and Council. I'm going to start off with an introduction. And as we talked about in the last council meeting, Mr. Walker mentioned that tonight's format was going to be a little different than what you've seen in the past. We talked about the fact that we're not Bringing you line items that are going to change between now and the next workshop because we're still working on getting expenses in, getting itemizations in for computer costs and insurance and all those kind of things. So what we'd like to do tonight is use this time to talk to you about overall changes. The normal things stay normal, right? Like our copier is the same year after year. All of those kind of things are just normal. So what we wanted to do is talk to you about the things that we do anticipate, either changes in or desires from the departments. So if you look at the general items I put on here that we're still looking at our property and liability insurance premiums, we're still working on computer technology, working to get those costs spread out based on utilization. So we're working on those. Ruby and I have met a couple of times. We've had information from OCS, so we're close on those numbers. Health insurance, we have a meeting next week with our Texas Health Benefits Group to talk about what our utilization looks like. We've got, as you know, our plan is starting January 1. We normally don't get our rates until the end of August, which makes it difficult for us. One of the things that we're exploring is this next year doing a nine-month plan year. which would put us in line for healthcare renewal as of 10-1, which would make things much more accurate budgeting-wise, because we would have our renewal in May or June of each year. So those are some of the things that we're looking at. In addition, we will be waiting for our certified property values. We'll have those at the end of July, and then the tax calculation we'll get at the beginning of August. Any questions about those general items?

The health insurance. It wouldn't be... more expensive to do it nine months? Or you don't know yet?

It would be prorated. So your premium would still be your premium. Your monthly premium, whether you're paying it for nine months or 12 months, the monthly premium will stay the same. What would be different with that is our deductible would be prorated over the nine months. Then it would start again 10-1 and run for 12 months moving forward. You may recall years ago under Texas Health Benefits, most plans renewed as of 10-1. Then right after COVID, there was some things that went into play and things that changed and we needed to respond to Texas Health Benefits. If you wanted to maintain a 10-1 renewal year, otherwise it would automatically roll to January 1. So I think that may be what happened is we automatically rolled to January 1. So we're going to look at that. We're going to see what that would look like for us. All right, so the first up tonight on general fund is administration. I'm going to let Brent touch on the ideas, the requests. I will tell you that on the snapshot that you see for general fund, it does not include these items that he's talking about. So these are just ideas and not, we don't have any impact numbers for those ideas at the moment.

When you say numbers, you're talking about these actuals, re-adopted?

Right, so the... The total is... Right, so basically the last two columns, that FY26 first round request, and then the percent change. So based on the numbers we currently have in the budget... With payroll staying at where it is right now, no increase in that, the amount in administration is 2% less than what we budgeted last year. Okay? All right. So, Walker, all yours.

Well, I didn't know you were sending it to me, but okay. Let's go. And the first one is Miss Tilly. And currently, just for references, the vehicle that she's using is a police vehicle. As you probably all know, it's pretty old and has some real issues. I don't know what all the issues are. So we looked at potentially replacing that. We're working on a code person, if you remember, and adding a code person to help her. So this may be a shared vehicle. We don't really want to have two yet. But that's in there in the general fund now, rather than in the police department if we replace that. and putting that in the budget. The discussion we're having about IT. And what I'll say about IT, and this is a discussion with the police department and the court and all of us for that matter. Our current contract and our current IT third party, there are some changes in capabilities. What we're really comparing right now is if we had more of an IT coordinator, not necessarily a full-fledged IT person, but somebody that took care of the website, organized with the third party, managed all of those services, helped with PD. A lot of this really, and I'm not throwing opinion on the bus, but a lot of this is technology with the PD And as we move into a new building with a lot more cameras, a lot more things, how do we handle that? We're having some struggles now with what we try to do. Just managing all the different things, the websites, all that communication out to the public. So do I have an answer? That's what we're trying to decide. Any input that you want to have on that, it's appreciated as well. The building inspector part of this, Rick is here. He can speak to that part of it a lot better than me. But those are the items. that we're looking at. And just for reference, and Marianne kind of covered that, this point in the budget, this is exactly what we're doing. We're getting all the departments together, and we're learning what they need, what the requests are. This is me reviewing everything that's in here. That's why we're bringing it to you. This is an opportunity to discuss all these things, look at them, see how it impacted. As we go through the budget process in the next meeting, we'll have more CIP on there. We'll look at those. I know there's a lot of questions on how we're going to pay the debt that's coming and all those different things. We'll break those down one by one. We'll look at each project so you understand that. Because it's really, this is the process we're doing. We're sharing the process that we're doing. But any input from you guys is appreciated because I want to give you what you want to hear and want to see, not just the question over the line.

Thank you. the months and the wishes are irrelevant until they know what our revenue is.

Well, we don't know that yet either. We're working these into the budget now based on the numbers we already have for this year. We haven't changed those, so we can see where they fit based on last year for this year that we're in. And we're still within the budget we're in, and we're expecting some increases in this. So we're just using that as a tool as we get through it.

I think to your point, Casey, is that staff's not going to bring a budget to council that is extremely upside down.

No, not upside down. Yeah. I just, like I said, I'm more comfortable with knowing what I'm starting with before I start spending anything.

And that is something that we've talked about. It's one of those things of, you know, how do we approach this with everybody? Like Brent says, we don't know what our revenue is, right? Like we anticipate it going up, right?

Yeah.

It would be helpful if we had our certified estimates on our property tax as well, because we do plug those into our spreadsheet and get some sort of a formula based on, you know, what our trends are, where we've been headed. We haven't even seen certified estimates yet. And so we thought, okay, we need to come in, we need to talk with y'all about, you know, the things that council has expressed interest in as well. and see what we've got moving forward and how do we make that work, right? Like if something is shared with you tonight that you're like, I think that's a terrible idea, we don't even need to think about that this year, we'll put that aside and then we'll focus on some of these other things. But in turn, if there's something that's not brought up today that you're like, you know, this is something we could really think about, then we can go back and we can look at how does that work? How do we make that fit in here? And then, you know, be able to come back to you. But it is, at this point, with all of those, we expected we would have certified estimates at least, you know, have certified estimates at least. maybe next week. So we've got a lot of unknowns.

One of the things... South Texas is probably the only one we can kind of project, but even that, we're only really six months into the actual year, so again, that's... Christmas is usually the few months around there are the biggest ones, but...

Right, right. And then we've already got our Christmas, and actually we're having our Christmas here in Kansas, so...

But we're only six months on the sales tax figure. And we do. We have about a 3% increase in our sales tax projected right now based on the forecasting tool with HDL. That does not take into account anything new. So this is based on their projection, looking back 24 months at what our trends are of our current collection. Again, setting aside those audit payments, setting aside those one-offs, and looking at what the current collections are. So yeah, so we do have, we're looking at that data, we're looking at all of those things. It's a lot of fun, the numbers over the last couple weeks.

Those are honestly, those are the most important numbers. What we have to spend before we try to spend anything.

And currently, if we were to leave it flat with where we are at right now, things are still in a positive. So that's the, but again, bringing you all of the line items, knowing that we're still working on tweaking all of those. So one of the things that, and if you have questions for Rick, by all means, if I need to talk to him about it, I did want to mention with what happens on this expenditure in the general fund, remember it is offset by the revenue fund. So people, you know, his cost, an increase in his cost will mean an increase in those permit fees. And that would be something that we're looking at as well. So they go hand in hand. We don't, that doesn't increase without the revenue source increasing as well.

I'm not so sure I'm on board with the in-house IT. What do we spend with OCS today?

What do we spend with OCS today? Well, there's a whole bunch of items. So we currently have a contract with them that the PD has a separate contract. They pay $2,000 a month for IT services. Admin also spends $2,000 a month on IT services, and that gets divided out amongst admin, court, public works, and utilities. So that's $48,000 for the IT general contracting services. And then there are all of our software type things, right? Whether it's a license through them or they help manage those licenses or the cost is just past their jobs. So that will be here no matter what.

The cost with IT, excuse me, the cost with IT also comes in when you have to come in and install something in. That's where the real cost comes, because they come in and install it. So we're not only paying for that equipment, now we're paying for the people to come and install it, which becomes even more money. And you could get into a few thousand dollars extra.

Yeah, but you want it installed correctly by people in the home itself. I think that's what we were talking about when we discussed an in-house IT person.

Through my experience, those people did all your installing and anything that you needed outside was costing you the same and you were losing that big cost of installing.

Right, but then they also have all these other things that they have to do too. So to find somebody with a skill set, typically to provide a services piece and then all of this administrative additional piece, that's going to be I get what you're saying. I think we're probably looking at it in a couple different ways because

I've seen it where you would bring in an entire director of IT, and that's when you're talking hundreds of dollars and now that person, he's shopping everything out and bringing it in from some company. But with OCS, I think we get those services that we need. And Brent came up with an idea a few months ago where we have one of their guys come in And he comes in, goes around, sees what everybody needs. That's been real, that's been real helpful. So I think when you're looking at this, it just depends on how far you want to get into this.

So let me go back. OCS, do we feel like it's the best partner to have? Right, because I feel like at OCS, it's a little out of order.

Okay, and part of this was again going out request for proposals possibly, but we really, we were really trying to decide, you know, and we're not looking for a pure IT director, but there's a lot of young people out there that are aggressive and can do this and can do the installs and do the things. We have so many, you know, I'm gonna call them silos. The court is having a lot of problems. The police has their problems. We have Tilly. Right now, we're trying to decide how to fix this. We're joining up with Rick. We just have all these different softwares that if we had one person to help us manage all of that. That's where the value would come. I don't know that it takes somebody, because they can get on the phone and work with a good third party and knock it out right there. They don't ever have to come. I hate to compare other cities, but We had an IT company like OCS. They were in Dallas and we were in, you know, middle of nowhere. They never came, but we had a good kid that did all that for us. They came once or twice a year and checked everything. So that was really the idea that I was putting out, you know, what's better? a few days a week from a guy from the contract or, you know, our own coordinator. I don't know the answer to that. I don't know the best financial answer to that.

Well, so, I mean, the services that you're talking about, that's what I used to sell. I'm very familiar with it. In a managed services company, doing the things that are listed that need to be done is not, in managed services, I understand they're real house. It sounds like it's more like, I'm just saying, go get me a good keyboard, right? Versus actually doing managed services fees. Managed services is actually managing your licenses, installing new, and ensuring that your security posture is strong in there. And that's about it. But what I heard for this in-house person is beyond that. So that's why I'm saying it's having somebody here that can do a myriad of things versus if we're looking for managed services, Those are just two different roles.

We were looking at the hybrid just like you said, but is the hybrid with one of their persons or our own person? Because if I kind of go through the problems we have or the challenges, is that what I said about all the different softwares? Of course, our online presence, we don't really have somebody that, you know, she's been doing a lot lately, but we don't really have one person to make sure that that all functions well. You know, the police have done their thing and they have somebody in their department that kind of helps with that. But if we could tie all that together, I think it would be a good relationship for all the departments. Police is always going to be the higher end, but as we go up to a new building, if we had somebody that went through that whole process and learned everything that we have up there, learned all the infrastructure, that would be very beneficial.

So you're weighing the odds? Yes. And then you're going to bring it back to us?

Yes. Okay. Yeah, I'll get more on cost and cost comparison. Because I'm not comfortable with...

not knowing, are we keeping the company we have now and getting another person? Or are we...

I think that's the two options. If we go out for request for proposals, we see what's out there in that realm and how that can be managed.

Oftentimes they would be like, OCS or third party badge person. So meaning all of our problems would go to them whether they were sitting here three days a week or two days a week or sitting at their office. The conundrum with that is we are small. So if you had somebody playing that hybrid role, they would have 30 accounts. So when we had an issue, we have to get ahead of that line or if they're an ABC city, on Mondays and we need something Monday, what does that look like now that we call into a 911 service that now is $250 a minute? That's where I get concerned with that whole hybrid managed services piece, but then I'm like, I don't know that we have enough in-house business things, tasks, for somebody to sit in here and do. Yes, there's stuff, but like, will they be busy? And what does that price tag look like versus how busy they will be? Will they be full-time versus part-time? Yeah, but then when you get part-time, and you pay part-time, that's what you get.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you had an onsite person a few days a week, that was the conversation. But longer term, does that really... Solve anything? I don't know. That's a tough one.

So are you... So with this idea, are you going and just putting out bids for a OCS-like company and then seeing if they have hybrid roles beyond their managed services from their office?

In OCS... But yeah, something like that so we can actually get real comparisons to see what that will look like.

Do you have a list of state, local, education, government?

Do you have a list of managed service companies that know the language and understand the... Yeah, I looked up the ones in the vicinity, at least, on buy board, and I also looked on a couple other ones by HGAC, you know, seeing who was rated the highest, and then I reached out to some other people. So we have some good options in the vicinity. But yeah, I mean, if you have some...

How long have we had this company?

I think that contract. Five, I think. It's in that zone where we could go out for.

And they have new people all the time?

Or are we assigned? one person that's been with us for five years.

We haven't been yet. We do see some of the same people, but it kind of just depends. And that group right now, that's really probably the gap of we put in an issue and it's sometimes three days, sometimes a week later they come out.

And that's just not good business. I mean, there's an SLA when you sign a contract, SLA meaning you have 30 minutes to get in touch with us if it's a level four or whatever, like there's expectations. And again, what did we pay AOCS?

The base contract, there's two $24,000 contracts for the base services.

So that's the kicker, is even if we bring in our own person,

on location like we have and you know every small problem or when we buy again purchasing we could use to help you know to organize all that they don't really do that very much And then when we do buy something, the install part of it, fixing the printers and doing that. Right, so you're looking for a hardware guy. Yeah, that's the truth. And to learn our basic operations of being cold in court and being cold

the cost on how we, in other words, like when we buy any cams that we get, we make sure the company says, okay, you send somebody out to install these cams, because if we had that IT person could go through and install all those, so we could possibly save a little cost there. It's a long look to see if it's worth it, is it time for it, but

But often times too, these people have to get certified, and they don't have the person that they choose to have the certification with, they still have to go back to the vendor. But now we're certified person by mail, so it's really not safe. To be able to understand administrative software versus your software versus her software versus their software, It's definitely about choosing the right person if that's the case, for sure. How much are you going to charge us? $250 a minute.

He can install computers too.

I started doing inspections for the city 24 years ago, 42 years ago, and the first month's bill was for $100. That's when I was doing them for $50 per inspection. In 2018, I convinced Jack to let me raise the fee for structural inspections for $100. 50 more MEP trade inspections. We've been able to make this work because the volume has increased and a lot more inspections, but for the last couple of years, our expenses continue to go up and it's just not working. So what we propose to do is to raise our fee from anything that comes out of the building permit from $100 to $150 per inspection. And for mechanical, we're charging the city $50 per inspection. So to adjust for that, we were proposing an increase in the building permit fees that would be passed on to the customer. So in building departments, the whole concept is it's a pass-through. The city's not supposed to lose money or make money, and To the best of my knowledge, in 22, 24 years, we've maintained that. The building inspection side has always been black, but we just can't continue at the rate that we've been. So we proposed a new fee schedule. So basically, a plumber is going to pay the city $100 per inspection fee. with a $50 base fee, which is the application processing. The city gets that, and then we would be paid $75 out of each $100. And then on building permits, I think we wound up going up about four inches square foot to raise the cost to be able to cover our increase. So that's probably going to add about $500. 86 for a bigger home to the total price of a home. So it's not a huge amount. It just sounds a lot when you're going from 100 to 150. That's a tremendous increase, but we weren't able to do anything in the last two or three years. So that's where we are. Our fee to the city is $3,000 for our software. So it's once a year. And you get all the computer support from Cheval on that.

She is getting a raise, right?

No, she gets to keep her job.

But no other changes. No other changes.

I think we were going to raise the fee for re-inspections. We had that kind of... covered up in the fee schedule. It's 75. It should have been more than that. So we proposed to raise that to $200 for billing permits and $100 for trade permits. I think we've kind of gotten to the point where $79 doesn't bother somebody if they don't pass an inspection. They can risk it out there until tomorrow's more attention. So it's not a huge increase, but I just want to say it's a pass-through that doesn't incur the opportunity. Is there a lot of re-inspections? The last year, it's just hard to believe. I know it's frustrating for Cody and Steven. They go out and somebody requests a framing inspection for the straps. They have these engineered braces that are sealed and screwed in. And they'll go out and they call me down. I get over on the ground. Nobody's touching me. Failure. The superintendent goes, yeah, they told us they were finished. So they're not walking their jobs, in my opinion.

But that's not.

No, it's not a problem. But I feel like the current trend of builders is they've got this schedule. If you come to sell them, you've got to follow this, get your guys out there, call them. That's the biggest problem. Yeah. And then again, so much work going on. Of course, the new neighborhoods, most of the superintendents are still finishing up another neighborhood, and they're not open all the time. So they're laying on their trays or whatever. But yeah, there's been a lot of inspection fees. Y'all get 25 out of it, and we get 50 out of it. But it's just frustrating when the guys go out and have to write a list of 12 things wrong, and they fix half of them, and we come back the next time. We've had some other failings. Same inspection three more times. There should be a penalty for that. It should have been $100 for a re-inspection for a building, but somehow we missed that in one of the rewrites and it just says $75 for a re-inspection. So it should have been $100, and now we're wanting to raise it to the same as what the, basically we're just charging the same as the construction fee. So they charge, the city will charge them $200, and we charge all of them $50. So that's the excess that stays in the department.

Are we renewing the contract in January?

Well, we did do it annually, but last year we changed it to where our contract ends at the end of September with the idea that we would be able to renegotiate a fee change this year. So we changed our contract to where it coincides with the fiscal year.

So you're asking us to include this rate of change in our budget effective October 1.

So any permits that are issued after October 1 will be at the new fee schedule. That's where we're anxious to kind of get this information in and have you all approve it. Because what I want to have happen is let Christians start notifying people. We change the permits now saying price increase. They don't come in. Like I said, it's $25 for a plumber for two or three inspections, $75 more. You know, they're going to cry, but we've got to lower the fees.

What is it in other cities that you work in? What is the cost in other cities that you work in?

The city of Panorama has the same fee schedule that we currently have. I haven't started working on theirs yet. I covered for them in Oak Ridge North and told them that we're raising our fees here. And his problem is that they're not generating enough money within the department as it is. So he's in the process of trying to renegotiate fees for them. They've hired another gentleman there, so they probably don't need those to help cover it, just like they did. So that's all I'm working with now. It's kind of a panoramic look at the Congress.

I have a question about Tilly's proposed account. Is she going to come? Is that going to be on the general budget?

It's in the general fund. But the salary for code is still in his budget right now. She's kind of split right now. When we had the code person, she said he'd keep I'm telling you to start wearing a suit to these meetings.

Any other questions on admin?

All right. So next up is police. And Chief, I think I will just have you come up and talk about the things that you've got going on. and it's also on the screen. Those are the things we touched on in the document there.

We've been looking at this, the PSOs and the New Records Club, we've been talking about that for a little bit over a year. What we're asking to do with this is to put that into the budget, but it will be almost eight, nine months before the event. begin looking at starting to hire somebody for that. For the records clerk or the PSOs? The PSOs. Both of them. The records clerk will probably come in about a seven month period, but the other ones won't come until about eight or nine. Because if we're looking to have them train before we go into this other facility, then that means we'll have to do about a two-month step back training. So with that being there, you're still looking at all that might have still in the budget until this time.

Yeah, so that was actually my main question is, when will, are we, the building is going to be done by August?

September, if we stay on schedule. So is that...

Are you saying this year? You're saying you're saying August of 27th?

Yeah.

What? I thought it was August of 26th.

Oh, no, no, no. This building over here, y'all, August 27th.

Remember when we first started talking about it last year? That's what the goal was. That's what it was like.

That's right. Yeah, summer 27 is what we put on the thing. I mean, there is going to be, you know, soft parts of this and getting prepared to actually move in the construction in that summer 27.

So that's where we, so if it's September, October, that's when we don't wanna, we move in by September, or start moving in by September, then we'll say, okay, now you got October here. So that's what we're trying to put in this year's budget. But it'll sit there until that time.

So what happens when it's December and we have these three new heads, where are they gonna sit? So when that building is pushed, it closes in December or finishes in December or not? September, where will these people sit if we hire them in June?

What mail are you going to make them on?

First of all, when you say sit, you're talking about hands? First of all, when we first hire those people, those people are going to have to go to about a four to six week training school. So they'll be at least four to six weeks on that. And then once they come back, then our training guide will take them through a series of trainings that will not having to sit anywhere here in the building. That training will either take place here or in the conference room on a daily basis. So we're talking even a month. We're talking about a month there.

So we have handcuffed contracts for these three? Retention contracts? Absolutely. We're starting to give everyone contracts.

Everyone contracts because we're even taking it up to three years. So everybody's going to be on the contract. You know, we just swore in two new guys that finished their cad and it's Thursday. We swore them in this morning. They've got their, I thought the lieutenant put it out to everybody. They've got their contract and they're just starting their, I'll talk to the lieutenant about this type of stuff. But yeah, they're in, so we'll give them a three-year contract on that. What's the penalty if they leave? That's exactly where I was going. What's the penalty if they leave? Penalty if they leave, they have to pay back the monies for all trainings that they had. I'm saying that we... Seriously?

Wow, good. No, I know. I just didn't know if you were like, oh, they're just... So how can you know? That's good.

They signed a contract. They kind of signed a contract. I know, but... You put a lien on it. Yeah. A judgment? No, it's a... You go over that contract to make sure that they understand that and... Pay the last check.

But then they leave and then they don't have the money to pay it back. Where are we at now?

Well, if they... Most likely, if they're leaving, they're going to another agency... And, you know, we can always... Garnish wages. Yeah, we don't want to be. We don't want to be. But, you know, we've given you the training. You understood the contract that you had to pay it back. And by that time, we would have gotten them to at least look at past their basics. So, money for that. Because it's a lot to uniform people, do that. But, we got more people trying to

if they know they have to report that fee, they'll pay it off. If they want that.

Oh, gotcha. The other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good business, right? Because, I mean, what is it? Bringing on one officer? What's that? Onboarding cost?

Onboarding cost, yeah. It's about $54,000. Not at all. And we've been able to retain for the last two and a half, two years. yourself. No, because we got guys that are calling every day, come back home and come, all the rooms are filled. So that's where we are with that. And we figure it'll take that many months before we start to distribute any funds for any of those people. Like I said, with the exception of the records clerk, that will come in about seven months. And we have one of the places they can sit up in and start looking at what we're doing.

Ms. Gooden has no spot. You have no spot. I just wanted to know where they were going to sit.

And honestly, all of these things that they were doing, even if it's in the budget and we do see that it has to be pushed, it doesn't mean we have to do it.

I mean, if he sees...

that little bit of money for that last few months of the year if everything goes as planned.

Yeah. Okay. Is the records clerk position full-time?

Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. That person in that, in the new building will be a front window person. That records place will be, the records room will be right behind her. That will take off with from his good. He's going back and forth, pulling records, sending records out to the VA's office, all these people who are looking for records. We've got a swamp of a lot of other things. So it's time, it's time we brought a records person home to handle those things. So, but yes, ma'am, it should be full time.

I might have missed it, but can you touch on the last bullet point? What

Yes, that's kind of, I read that, that's kind of misleading. Let me see, when it says additional new vehicles through the leasing program, yeah, we're getting one car, but that upfitting that it says it went back to the general fund, and it says planning for the funding needed for CCPD facility, a few items have been moved, from the CCP back to the general fund? What we really did there was last year we had those, we had our upgrade for our vehicles. It was $100,000 in the general fund. We took that $100,000 and what we did was just moved it around to some other things. Because we're only going to need 15,000 for an outfit. Repurposed stockpiles, basically. Yes, ma'am. And so what we did with the others, when you start looking at public safety technology, that includes our fast cams, our body-worn cams, spilling, which is our... And also ticket writing. We took all of that and put that in. That came to $74,000 plus the $15,000. So it's right at about that $100,000. So, you know.

Or $90,000.

So we had more of a repurpose than just moving it back. Because what we tried to do was to, if we're... Calculated right on the sales tax. We tried to do no more. The things that we really needed, some of the things we took out, we didn't go with anything new this year either besides just for the people. Because we needed to leave those funds in there that's going to be there to take care of that new facility.

Do you see a 2% increase for three heads and a vehicle?

Well, it's really, it's just... Yeah, the payroll cost is not calculated in there, because you may recall I said that right now the payroll that's in there is based on current. So this is his ask, and we will go back and put that into the personnel. I don't want to know that payroll cost.

What does a PSO make?

PSO, one that's not experienced, starting at about 51.5. An experienced one is about 50. Which brings the total, if you were to hire three of them, say they were all experienced, then you would look at about... 7,000. And you had a records clerk for that. We're talking about two of them.

Records clerk, thanks.

Records clerk, an experienced one would take you up to 55 Middle Road. About 50. But you're trying to look for someone with experience.

And again, in this budget, there would only be a couple of months of that, so it wouldn't be the full annual.

Chief, how does that, which really should not go into the equation, I know, but how does that figure out the surrounding municipalities?

The surrounding municipalities, it's actually a little bit better. When you're talking about... Two of our people that we hired today came from, they were both jailers in the county. And they were right there at about that 52. So they got a thought? Yeah, so they got a thought. But they've also moved into a new position. So yeah, we're staying real competitive with anything as far as positions that we're hired, even with the police officers we're staying.

Just because it was a hot topic here last year, I think, during budget season. And just to make sure I still have current information.

We were up against a $20,000 increase in the county had awarded officers, not the officers, and then

Because we were being repetitive, like, whoa. It felt like we were getting a little bit of pressure to not cut. And then it kind of didn't actually occur to them.

No, and the county had a little bit of an issue with that. And I don't think we ever felt pressured to kind of match that. Because here's what I mean. I got calls. Yeah, maybe. Okay. Because here's what I told the guys. Here's what they know. These guys have gotten... a raise every year. They got a 3% plus they got whatever they got on their merits. And that, when you do that every year compared to a county guy not getting a raise, 10 years down the line, you're still winning. You're still winning. And they understand. They understand.

But I understand they're having some issues with it.

I don't know the real ins and outs of it. But just looking for us, I guys understand that, yeah, you're in a position where you're getting... That steady climb versus that big pop and you don't see it again. So you don't get excited about trying to get competitive or whatever. somebody else is doing. And then when you're offering people a place to come and work where they can actually come and work and not be under a whole lot of bull crap.

You offer a lot of incentives for higher education.

We train a lot of people. We put all of our people into different positions to do things. It's like we said, we've got those guys that are going to go down to FIFA. And by the way, FIFA is going to pay them to go down there.

But Good.

Our drone guys are going down there. And they'll be there the 17th, 18th, and the 23rd and the 24th. And that's a good experience for them. And, you know, they asked them to come. We didn't call up. We didn't solicit our drones. Yeah. So then you're known worldwide. Since it's a World Cup. Goodbye. You know, and I'm not trying to, you know, you guys have done, you guys have been a really good part of helping us be all we can be. So, you know, it's a good thing.

Okay. So, anything else before we go?

I was just gonna let you tee it up with whatever you had.

I only have one question, Mike.

You don't have to show me nothing.

Does that 35%, is it going to those street improvements in the Cedar Creek Park?

35%.

Okay, I was going to say, I kind of can't answer that right off the bat, but probably most of the stuff.

Yep.

Well, you have to wait for it. No.

So I'll start out with one thing that is not on the list that I want to make sure to hit on is the vehicles. So with the two swap outs. So we're going to replace two vehicles this year, a 2017 and a 2020. 2020 we're having a lot of issues with. That'll put us in a situation of having one more city-owned crew truck. But it's a 23, so we'll go a couple more years on it before we swap it out. So I know we want to change all the patrol cars to a leased process. Is that something that would benefit us on your side?

He said that too.

Are you on the same page? Yeah. We actually have to do it, so they won't do only police. They do the police as a bonus, but they really want the regular vehicles because we're not quite as hard on vehicles as police are, you know, overall. So, yeah, it's actually a requirement. So, yeah, if we do this, then we'll have one more. Another one that we've asked about but we haven't gotten an answer back on yet is the potential of a dump truck. So, we've been using a dump trailer for... Over 11 years now, CDL drive so we don't have to go down that rabbit hole. She hasn't responded back other than I think it was today with setting up a meeting with me to go over specs and everything. So hopefully we'll have some information on that. No idea what the cost on that is going to look like from a lease standpoint. Well, I think we should weigh it both ways because we're not going to be driving a dump truck every day. So 120 to 170, somewhere in that range, you know, by one hour, I think, so. How many lab before we are? Hopefully 8 to 10. Oh, that's a double accident. Yeah, but you can get them under 25,000 so they don't require a CDL. So that'll be key is keeping it under that threshold. So I just wanted to mention those that is on the list. We'll know more about the dump truck hopefully at the next meeting. First thing I'll go over is, so this is our Road AI platform that we've developed. that we've just started using this year. The one that we used before they shut down, this is the new one that comes out. It's much better than the old one. So this is, what we do is we drive the city streets with a camera in the dash and then AI assesses it, converts it to road conditions. This also does a street side inventory. It picks up potholes, picks up all that. I just wanted to show y'all this as a visual. So we're sharing this with the engineers. so they can evaluate and give us proposals on this is what you should concentrate on.

The whole city's red.

I mean, it's a lot, but you got to remember all this down here.

It's all brand new.

It's all part of, you know, part of the agreement. We can drive this. The way this system works is we can drive this as many times as we want and reassess it. So if a road gets repaved, the first thing we'll do is go out and re-drive it. It'll all convert to green. Hopefully, it'll all convert to green. The job's done right. you know, heat this stuff up.

So how does it pick up, like, potholes? Is it, like, vibration, or is it... No, it's actually, it's viewing the pixel.

I'll just get it showing quick, and we'll go here, and we'll read it. So we'll click on this. So this, this brings up the video. So this is Eric's crew truck, and he was, so I'll just kind of scroll through it, but you can just scroll through it. I mean, you can play it and watch it, But you can see, you know, all the alligator cracking in the road here. So it's picking up all of this, and then it's converting it to an assessment, you know, overall of how the roads are. So that's a quick video. Then you can look like you can do potholes, and it'll trigger potholes. Now, it's not... It's not... 100% perfect. So you have to go through it because it'll pick up if there's a storm break in the middle of the road, like one that's built in. It'll pick up things like that. Just do that and then... So see how it highlights it green? So you just go through and evaluate that, and then if it's nothing to worry about, you can exit off where it doesn't pop up again, or you can make a work order to go out.

Does it know, Mike, on the right-hand side of that screen, is that a patch, and does it know that's a patch? Right here?

Well, it didn't pick it up, so it's... Something like that, it's possible that it could show up as a pothole. It's possible that it could not show up. So you still have to go in and evaluate this stuff.

Is that a patch, though?

Yeah, it looks like a small asphalt patch. Okay, all right.

Just making sure. I was like, is that a hole that it missed or is that a patch? That's why it's not stating it's a hole.

So what we're asking, so consulting with the engineers, we come up with... a decent plan of putting $500,000 a year towards the roads for now. It's at $250,000 this year. $500,000. We did get some quotes from a company called PaveCon, so they're part of a cooperative purchasing agreement. So, you know, one and done on your quotes. Just to see how their numbers would compare to what the engineers' cost estimates are.

They're really close. So Buffalo Springs Drive between

We've used the money but we've never been able to spend it all on there's always been something emergency wise whether it be utility repairs that we're washing out or whatever there's always been something else that we've had to use it all. So yeah, this stretch in here is priority number one. Plez Morgan is priority number two. Buffalo Springs Drive to Millet Overlay, we're looking at $456,000 for that stretch. Plez Morgan, we're looking at $360,000. So we would do one one year, one the next.

My question, sorry. To the east of Buffalo Springs, could whatever developer purchase that property, could we not have them partner with them on getting that week's mill done? I think it's still that hospital. If there's a neighborhood going in that they would want to...

I think it's a possibility, but I think that's more of a, that's probably a great question.

It's possible, and the other mention is, if we get the county to participate or help with the prices of these things, that would be considerably better.

Yeah, this is with paid cons. So the ultimate every year, where I will start every year, is with the county. Are they going to be able to do it? Because it will be a fraction of the cost. We still need to budget for it because the thing to remember is we're at their mercy. We have an interlocal that says, yes, they can come do this for us, but there's nothing that says they have to. Of course, we'll ask them. In fact, I've been waiting on a call back from a gentleman over there. to find out how much they would charge to do Buffalo Springs, to see if possible, if you squeeze in what we have left this year. One of the things that Mary Ann and Brent has proposed to do on the street budget is to essentially create a capital line item where the street budget out of the general would be a transfer to the capital side, which is a benefit in a couple of ways. Main one is if we don't use all that money out of the general fund, it's already sitting over, so we could add it. So if we don't use all of the funds this year, we could shift it over to the capital and then essentially add another $500,000 to it next year for a bigger pot.

So we had to take care of Grandview. Similar to what I talked to you about. Their drive, is that the little red?

That's just the road. So just the road going off of Lone Star Parkway is public. The Grandview. And then right before the gates is when. Yeah, everything. did it determine how did you determine the priorities to what you've got from the software yeah so just looking at the uh just looking at the colors i mean you zoom in you can see that you know the reds are here the reds are here uh and then track cap you know what we're the main road and bubble springs one of the high traffic roads from the city other than state comes from you know i think that

So try to look at what's red and where most are at. Because you've got some stuff down here, Olive and Caroline.

I mean, those have been red for a few million years. But they don't have the traffic counts to Buffalo Springs.

So the number that we're proposing, at least for this year, is $500,000.

So that's essentially... Planesville Road is right here.

That part of it. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I can zoom in. We can zoom in. But all of that will be replaced. So all of Old Playersville. We went ahead and drove it, even though it's not annexed yet. All of this out here is not annexed yet. We went ahead and put it in the network, in the road network, since it will be as part of the developer agreement and the three-way agreement with the county. We went ahead and put it in the road network and drove it so we can get an assessment.

There's some red. Before we take over those roads, we're going to have that developer's...

Well, so... one thing that they are that road ai is is admitting on is that the concrete assessment is not perfect so yeah you don't get an equal translation on the concrete as you do it's really designed for asphalt we went ahead and put we wanted to make sure every road was in there but yeah we we actually looked at these and there was nothing that needed attention so that's more of the

Walkway versus the road was the issue, right?

Yeah, there's a little bit of the road, but it's not anything.

Yeah, it's all good.

So, just wanted to share that with y'all. This is what we're looking at. I'll tell you how we got to where we're at.

Just for a quick reference, since you brought that up, we've had a number of engineers look at that. Most say that do anything with it. If we just cut all that out of there, it's only about $160,000, but it's not going to fail. It just wasn't done very nice. Would he cost share that? There's really no way to cost share with it at this point. Except for the HOA. I didn't suggest that.

Those are the avenues. Town Creek Crossing. We haven't been able to take over their roads because there's been some issue.

Yeah, I mean, it gets utilized. I mean, I couldn't take the counts off the top of my head.

see at any given time how much traffic you can see or break versus anywhere else. Hopefully the wayfinding signs will open us to the new equipment and the wayfinding signs will draw people home to the farm and school. Hopefully.

The rotary takes a lot of it. They do.

They do a lot of work.

They do a lot of work.

Give me a second. Just for budgeting, what we're working through with these roads and that is we're really going to project the five to even maybe eight years of road projections and look at this budget. And that's why we're starting to build this capital and starting to look at this. So this is something you're going to see as the city continues adding rooftops and all that, more traffic, but And cities that manage this very well stay on top of it. Because if you get so far behind, you can never pay for all of that. It's hard to do anyways. But by creating this, whatever it is, five-year, eight-year, where we look at every road as we keep going and starting

about a year ago, a year and a half ago, a while back, about an ordinance that forces us to fund a street account every year.

By the way, street account?

Street account. I think you can set that up as a capital fund. Well, that's what it sounds like. That's what it is. And you can, I don't even think I have to grant an ordinance or anything, but you can say that money is for streets, period.

Of course the council can come up, I mean if we had an emergency and blew up some kind of, you know, we could use that money.

But that way it's always designated for street maintenance and street, you know, this continuous repair. Because it's just going to keep coming.

So I like where you're headed. I like all that. And then planning it out. Who is it? Are you on top of that? Who's driving that? Who's managing that? Who's watching that?

I think it's a combination of us and the engineers. Yeah, the engineers are definitely managing the capital side.

Well, yeah, but the street side, like say, okay, here's the streets with the priority A, B, and C, and D. Okay, here's A, and this is what happens in the... And that's what we're working through right now.

What we're trying to do is, you know, we didn't have dollar numbers, but we're looking at that 500 now. How many, you know, miles does that get us around each street? How many feet does that give us? And then say, you know, okay, we can get this far this year, this far this year. So what does that look like down the road? And then what's the real number? Because we're going back to revenues. going, okay, how much money do we allocate? So between the engineers and working with Mike, that's what I'm trying to get to. With timing, with weather, if you don't get so much finished, it's not like you lose that money and continue to go. And that way we're just constantly doing it. And we'll come back every year to council, we're gonna do these roads this year, this is our plan. We'll bid these out and then we'll get it done.

I just, my thought process was to force it. In order not to fund it, they'd have to change the ordinance, right? So when we're all not counseling anymore and somebody else comes along, because it's very easy to take that money and do something else with it.

Very, very easy.

So that's one of the things that we've talked about when Mike mentioned doing it as a transfer to capital. So the way that it has been budgeted historically in the general fund is an expense out of the general fund for that project. So what we're looking at doing in this year's budget and moving forward is it be budgeted as a transfer to capital for streets. And it will be recorded every month like all of our other inter-fund transfers are done. So just like we do for the transfer to debt service, we record that entry every single month and put that money set aside for debt servicing. So this money will be sent over to the capital projects fund as an out for streets and as an in for streets. So historically, we'll be able to see that information, and it won't just be a, well, let's see if we can get through this year, and then we'll spend it on streets. It will literally be that inter-fund transfer every month that's going to go over. And is there a list of prioritization of how the tree can get this road set?

Yeah, that's what we're working on, and we're going to create a chart. Good. He's identified those early ones already, but we're getting costs to him now, so it's going to say these roads, this much, this is what we're going to do this year, next year we'll finish out, you know.

So that software can tell you this is going to be $300,000 for this road? No.

We have to go and get the prices.

Okay, Mike, you can go now.

Alright, so we got a proposal for Cedarbrae Park from Cunningham, which is the same group that's doing Homecoming Park. So... One of the big things is we did, we were able to make it fall under the same national designation that we received on home-having, so we received the same discount on some of the equipment. It's going to end up saving us over $100,000 for the loan. So let's start before we roll to the bottom. I'll see the number. I'll start by saying this is basically a complete redo of the entire park. All the equipment, adding fitness equipment, adding a pickleball court. So this is a big project. So I don't want to start by saying you can whittle down what you want, but I need you to know in advance that if it needs to come down, it's okay. We're starting big. I just want to show you what we're proposing and give you all the ability.

Mike, is the current equipment about 20 years old?

It is. So this is the first rendering. So this will be the 2-5 area, which is closer to Houston Street, a little smaller area closer to Houston Street. So these are actual renderings of what they've come up with for that area. Houston Street. It's a cedar roof. Right there.

See the little area, the little kid area? Right there, yeah.

On the other side, by Cheatham's building. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know if it's Stewart Street. Stewart Street. Oh. Houston Street. Huh? Where is it?

There used to be Stewart Street.

Oh, she knows Stewart Street. Oh, that's Houston. Yeah, yeah.

Stewart's in front of my house.

That's good. So this is a whole new, tear out everything that's there and replace it. One of the big things that we would like to do is get rid of the border around the playground equipment is the plastic sectional stuff. In this proposal, it is to replace it with a concrete curb around the top thing of it. be really nice you know we're able to do that. So this is that rendering and then the 5 to 12 area which is the big area so this is a what they call a tower this thing is 32 feet tall so this yeah this up here is 32 feet tall. How are they going to leave the tunnel? I said, are they going to leave that tunnel thing? We are. So we're going to move it and incorporate it and make it better. I like how it's written down. I know. The tunnel is actually one of the highlights of the park. So we don't want to get rid of it. So that would be in this area. So that's what this hill is here. So they couldn't do an image showing the tunnel. But what it's going to be is incorporating it within the engineered wood fiber area and to help keep the mud down. And then the hill would be covered with an artificial turf because we fight the grass growing. The kids, I mean, you can't keep grass growing in an area where kids are constantly walking. It just doesn't.

Is it a tall, pretty-looking artificial turf that looks like grass? It does look like grass. It's better than the one they used here on the local warehouse.

I don't know how it compares to that one, but it is a nice-looking turf. I don't know exactly how long the grass is. When we get ready to actually do the proposal on this, we'll have all those details. But, yeah, this is the view from above with swings and a disc swing.

I'll take you to the case that says I am supposed to have already made a lot, a lot of work on it.

So in place of the volleyball court that never gets used for volleyball, it gets used for a sandpit, we're proposing a fitness area. It's a little oversized. It's got some room on the end, kind of like we're doing a homecoming, but on a bigger scale for fitness mats, things like that. So this is, so the difference in this one and the one at Homecoming, so Homecoming we're just doing a concrete slab. This one is actually the corner in place. So it's got the softness to it. And then this is the, this is just the drawings.

So... Where did the pavilion by the bathrooms, was it, is it still there?

Still there. Okay. It just wasn't shown on the picture. Yeah, the rendering was, so I've got a few pictures I want to show you too. I mean, it's

and copy Google Maps.

How long does it take to have a privacy thing?

So this will take probably a month and a half to two months to complete. What we hope is that it gets approved, but hopefully they can order a little bit ahead of time and then do it in the winter months whenever it's not quite as busy.

We don't want to do it in the summer.

We'll be fenced off. Yeah, these areas will be fenced off. There's just no way around that. So this is all the equipment, the concrete. So one of the things that wasn't in the rendering, but I'll show you a picture of it, is the pickleball court. So they're proposing to put a pickleball court over near the Simonton Pavilion, kind of in that empty area over there. Simonton Pavilion. Simonton Pavilion.

Let me ask you this, Mike. The colors on the renderings were vibrant. Are they going to fade?

Well, those are not, we have not even picked those yet. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

So I'm like, those are pretty, I like them, I don't bother with them, like they're going to pay, like for us today, we're like black and wood, and I feel like we're very resistant.

Yeah, no, this is just for budgeting purposes.

I'm going to say I had some work that came in two years.

It's going to be some kicked butts, you just have to pick something that doesn't look bad for you. So grand total, 791, that's why we're waiting till the end on that. 791, the discount that we received from the state funding is $115,000. We are, so they are checking most different grant opportunities for us as well. One of them that we are, I'm gonna say, I'm not gonna say the end of the process is a blackboard because we need to know what dollar amounts are blackboard, but

That could possibly be a 50% reimbursement. So we will be applying for that one. Just got to make sure, you know, what number of blood you don't have.

It's not due until August, but we will be applying.

Does this add irrigation to the places that don't have it?

So there's actually no irrigation installed. Well, that's one thing we can do. So that's not in this proposal, but irrigation and see or break is definitely something that we can look at doing. The rest of this is just, yeah. So I'm going to flip over to just a couple of pictures. I'll be done. These are... I've seen a couple of these. Back to the rendering.

Here's the next question, but the height of some of this stuff? 32 feet. 32 feet on that tower. Did they have to assign release forms before they use it?

Well, no, but they're designed where they can't climb out of it and fall 32 feet, that's for sure. It's netted. You're trapped.

I've seen all the infrastructure. Well, that's holding it up. I mean, because it's 32 feet tall, that means the base of it is probably 20. Yeah.

No, I mean, they do design it to try to prohibit that, but I mean, I just...

They are very regular.

They are, yeah. Oh, that looks great. So I'll just flip through these. I won't spend a lot of time on them, just so y'all can kind of see. So this is, I mean, they tried to, you know, copy the layout of the park, you know, best they could. It doesn't match exactly, but... So, and the pickleball court is not going to be right beside the fitness area. It's actually by itself over, so it would be more over in this area by the big pavilion. If y'all can see where the air is. You want to point that right up here. How big is a pickleball court? I don't know.

It's like a mini tennis, but it's not, it's not that pink one right there. That is a pickleball.

We're going to do the fitness equipment over in that area.

On top of the volleyball stuff. With it shifted just a little bit. It's actually a good shade tree.

Yeah, there is a good shade tree. So that's kind of an overview. Keeping in mind the pickleball court is not going there.

I think all that looks really good. Mike, I was going to ask you, right in front of the statues that we have, because that's really looking very good. And I like all the trees. I wonder if there's anything that we can do that would you know, that we can incorporate like the flags or something right in front of those statues while we're, you know, something like that to kind of bring it home that this is the first place of a Texas flag. I know we put the flags out every, you know, and we'll probably continue to do so, I guess. Anyway, I was just thinking what we can, you know, to enhance it. Hopefully we'll get that, we'll get a couple more of those statues, but I'm not sure when that year will happen. Yes. So nobody seems to be too concerned about it.

So the ask in this line item is $800,000. A little bit for memory part too. Rotary's got something they want to commission over the next year. So that's the ask on that line item is $800,000. I agree 100%. And the thing to remember is it won't be an ongoing, like every year I won't be back next year asking for 800,000 parks. Our two biggest parks will have major overhauls.

us. It's us.

It's an underutilized asset.

A lot of people use it.

It could be this.

I prefer to see all of this than a splash pad.

A splash pad is just money that's sitting in right now.

We're on this upswing of finally getting money to be able to do things like this, and that's just a sinkhole. I'm not much of a splash pad.

I'm not either. Definitely not.

I don't like that.

Now, indoor aquatic center, different story.

I could be on the other side. I could just go right up here by the school. Yeah. $30 a month. Yeah. Just swim anytime you want to. Don't have a class. Yep.

Don't y'all have any questions? No, that was wonderful.

Great job. Thank you.

The only change for my budget is just asking for an increase for my prosecutors for this year. Both for the next budget year. They're currently setting at about $450,000, so just an increase to about $600,000 per court appointment. Two? Well, it's one, so they get that paid each. Sometimes I don't have two prosecutors at court night. If it's a big document, I'll have two. Got you.

Very good. We're still paying the judges $1,000? The judges, $860, I think.

Yeah, but it's only $750 each. They're never here at the same time, so they only charge like $750 a month. Okay. Mm-hmm. The judge received an increase. What about magistration fees? Once we get to that step and we're going to start having someone being held at the new facility, then we'll go ahead and start with the magistration fees. But I have a meeting with our finance director here. Regarding that, we are working behind the scenes on that for you. Just in time.

So there is a conversation that we have, right? So having building cells, there will be the need to have somebody. So Kimberly and I, you had mentioned it, Kimberly and I did talk about that. Thinking about if we don't move in the building until September 1st, or sometime in September, That's where we went, you know what, if that doesn't go into place until October 1, I think this is a discussion for next year's budget. Because if we open September 1, we could pause, we could pump the brakes if we needed to on... the holding cell situation. The other side of that is, we might see that court has increased, and if we need to throw in another $500 for judge services for as soon as the building is open, I think that's realistic. Absolutely. I don't think that's...

Tell me how that's done. Say somebody gets arrested, and then they have to be, the magistrate has to come over, the judge has to come over the next morning at some point and visit them. Or if it's nighttime, you say, somebody say, well, I'm not signing this. They have to go before a magistrate. Now, and we could still get away with all of that and what they're doing is fine, because the mayor is a magistrate as well, under that laws of magistrate, and she can do it free all the time. That's right. And dude, she's not even- September 1st, her call.

So where does the council get a stipend for being on council?

We have to vote it in, and then you have to get re-elected.

I know. We are working as a team.

We did it totally disregarded, but in looking at plan-wise.

It's a team. Thank you.

So I wanted to mention one thing to you after having seen Mike's presentation. So I understand that. One of the things that we want to think about is Casey's point of looking at a budget and all of these grand expenses, and if we don't have the revenue to cover it, what does that even mean, right? so we have over the last couple of years definitely increased our fund balance and if that's something that council wishes to do as a one-time expenditure to help supplement a project such such as that and also keeping in mind that it could be eligible under the grant funding it might be something that doesn't even need to happen. So if that's something that we look at, it's kind of like what we did in the water and sewer fund, where we had use of surplus funds from water and sewer in order to help offset that debt service that was due in this current year, it would be something similar to that, if we get to that point.

We don't know if that's... That wouldn't affect our 60% ordinance, would it?

It would not. We would be, we're right at about 10 months of reserves. So we would be well within that. We would not be looking at things like that. But just to keep that in mind, that if there is a large project, one-time project for something like that, that that is an option.

And even with the existing revenue, the budget looks pretty good right now. Would that end?

Right, right. Yeah, so...

Okay, any other questions on the general fund side? All right, moving over to water and sewer funds, and I'm gonna talk a little bit about this because it is, what we're seeing on the water and sewer fund side is an increase due to the debt service. So this year's certificate of obligation that was issued is There's two components of that, right? So talking about how we have the increase in our utility rates to help bring in additional revenue to help support this debt service, in addition to until we have further residents filled out and more utility accounts to help fund that debt service utilizing impact fees. And so that's what we're looking at in the water and sewer fund. which takes you down to the last piece on this page of the debt service fund. So I've given you a snapshot of what that looks like, our different issuances, what is due for principal and interest and other fees for this next fiscal year, and then how that is split out. So we will be, you will see an item when we look at those debt service payments as being supported by impact fees. So there won't be, that full burden is not coming on the water and sewer fund this next year. But that's what we're seeing, that increase. We did go up a portion for that debt service based on figures from WGA and our efforts.

Are we about to roll off the 2017 A and B? I'll get closer. The middle column is your maturity.

So 17A and 17B are 2037. The refunding 2021 is maturs in 2038. The tax note is 22. It was the...

It was the 380 agreement. Yes, the 380 agreements we're about to... Okay, good.

We're about to read that one.

It's the 105, yeah.

The shops, right?

The shops. The shops is about to roll off and Cheetah... We'll bring you that.

Yeah. We still got a couple years on some of those. We have a few years left. Okay, so any questions between water, sewer, and debt service fund? I kind of took them together because they are, you know, debt service is dependent on that water and sewer side. All right. And the Capital Projects Fund, that is going to be the focus of our next workshop heavily. It's going to be WGA coming and talking to you about what we've seen in the past. we've asked them to provide in a little different format. Instead of just giving the big spreadsheet with all of the information that can kind of be hard to follow sometimes, because we, us putting together the spreadsheets, we know what it says, we know how that works, but it can be hard to follow along. And so we've asked, and I think Brent is assisting with that as well, is doing more of a narrative on the project, just a little snippet of what the project is, the funding source of that project, to try to get that information a little bit more easily digestible. So that's what we'll be looking at. Based on information that we hope to have in place, we might be able to review some more solid mind items at that time. So that's what we'll be looking at for the next workshop. Do you have a date for that yet? There is a date for that.

July 13th.

Yes, I think that's right. July 13th sounds right.

Night before city council meeting.

And the email answer is sent out.

Yes. All right. Any other questions? Things that you did not see here tonight that you want departments to consider?

Okay.

Could we?

No. Good job. Did we figure out the flagpole and flag situation? Because I'm just thinking this is a community and budget.

Well, I actually just got a reply today from Milestone. I reached out to Milestone. I've got a contact over there. She was digging in their system looking for the agreement. She just responded to me today and said they can't find the agreement. Oh, there it is. Yeah. Yeah.

but there's nothing I can get ahold of Dean Bass.

If there's an, if there is agreement, he'll have a copy of it.

That would be great if he has it. But the guy, uh, uh, I'm blank on his name, but the contact I got from you for Simmons, I spoke with him. Yeah. So I spoke with him originally and, uh, They just don't want to spend money on the flagpole anymore is what it boils down to. And he told me, he said, I really didn't think that the city had any ownership in this. He said, I was hoping that Milestone had some ownership in this. And I said, no, man. I was here whenever all that happened. I never remember that. I remember Spirit of Texas being the owner and operator 100%.

And to get the ground, they eased it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So I'll give you a hypothetical. This is the only way I can say this. The neighbors, if there are some neighbors in that area, I want to build a flag bigger and better.

Oh.

So that one may not matter.

If there's an avenue for replacement, I think it is a gateway to the city. I think it should very appropriately be

There's an historic marker over there.

Yeah. I hear you. They're under construction right now. They'd be wonderful. Can they use that same flagpole?

It's going to be bigger and better. Bigger flag.

They had to get special from the state, I think, to fly that one.

Yeah, they're going to do it.

They got people. Okay. Those are going to be some good times.

They are. They are.

I mean, I'm not supposed to, but yeah. All along, they've been planning by the pond there, you know, because there's a marker there. They've been planning the whole thing, this recent conversation included. So that's really in the back, though, huh? It's just on that 2854. You'll be able to see it.

2854. But you'll be able to see it coming down on 105?

Oh, yes.

Oh, you'll see it. 2854.

Okay. On that side. But it could possibly be about 10 foot bigger, the flag itself, right?

In the bowl, more than 10 foot. Yeah, that's what I mean. But the flag itself, 10 foot bigger than that monstrosity that was blown already. So that could be huge.

I think we're going to take on that bowl and we'll just have two of them at the roof gateway.

I mean, that's up to the council.

That would be amazing. We're going to just blow the Texas flag up.

Texas flag. Texas flag.

Texas, I mean, did he get the glory too? They have a flag cut, flag ribbon cut. All right. Anything else? All right.

Close agenda.

Council and party. All right, items to consider for future placement on agendas? All right, adjourn. All those in favor of adjourning, say aye. Okay, it is 7.41. We will adjourn this meeting. Thank y'all.