Community Police Review Board - Regular Meeting

right it's uh 5:30 and we're going to start the community police review board uh January 15 2025 okay I'm going to say this once again about that you're supposed to push the button in order to speak and I know it doesn't always work out very well but we'll try that and simy has the the the screen that shows the hierarchy of who who did it first so we'll ask her to give that to us will the clerk call the role member Beasley day member Bryant member bird member Christensen member deell here member Grant member Smith member salorio here chairman Han here uh chairman Han uh board member Grant is absent this evening we would like to ask the board to consider his request for an excused absence which meets our criteria for granting of an excus absence at this time we ask for a motion from the board to Grant him and excuse absence second all right okay all those in favor I opposed anybody have any Declaration of conflict of interest on the items on the agenda I see and then we'll go on now we go to public comment uh comment in person and then uh so if anybody likees speak just come up to the dice you have three minutes okay not seeing any we'll move on to the next

item uh the consent calendar we have minutes from the December 18th meeting like if you've reviewed them and are okay with them need a motion all those in favor say I post and this is going great it's best meeting I've had so far okay we're now in new business yes that we move item a to the bottom uh move Item B and C up one notch so that uh when we elect the new chair they can deal with the um items be and C as the new chairperson okay 4 a pass 4 C or correct 4 a would become 4 C and four B and C up a notch okay that a motion motion all those in favor I I post okay so then we're going to take Item B as the first item the use of forc study update that's I don't think he's doesn't sound like your mic is on the lights on oh there we go maybe I just need to get a little closer there

we go perfect well good evening and tonight I'm here to um talk about uh MPD use of force data and specifically I know there was interest from the cprb uh about disparities and force used against our black community members um so I'm going to provide some of that information tonight and just talk in general about use of force data um disparities type use of forces that we use and you'll see kind of the breakdown that we'll use I believe you have that that PowerPoint there in front of you as well um so a couple things as as background uh that I that I felt it was important for the cprb and the public to understand is that uh the use of force my belief and and our Department's stance is that the use of force data is rightfully of interest uh to the public um and then uh knowing that it's a a a serious issue when anytime our officers use force and also understanding that that it has a lot of public interest we do take these Ser these use of force in incidents very seriously uh and we review every single use of force uh that happens within the bolesta police department and not only do we review every use of force we review every use of force three at three different levels so a firstline supervisor a sergeant reviews that use of force and and provides a recommendation up the chain of command a lieutenant then reviews that use of force uh and either can disagree agree add add add issues whatever it may be and then finally it sits with a captain where the captain does the same thing uh and ultimately we make a a final finding whether that use of force was it within policy not within policy uh if there's training issues uh things like that so uh that is something that not every agency does but uh and I think you'd be hard pressed to find another agency that scrutinizes use of forces as much as the Modesta Police Department um but one thing I I want to say and you'll see you'll see in the data uh that disparities do exist and that is something that uh is is why we're part

of why we're here part of why we're having this conversation and it's something that is not just unique to Modesto but it's really a nationwide challenge uh that that we joined many in trying to investigate the reasons behind and look at data and try to come up with solution be solution oriented uh so I want to make sure that that that uh that that is understood as well and then really that the use of force uh uh disparities uh as I'll talk about as we go through some of the data that I'm going to show you are very complex um and we we take these disparities seriously uh we're we're not going to just say it is what it is um but at the same time I think uh hopefully when uh at least perspective for me is that uh there's no one solution that's going to solve for this problem and no one one organization that's going to uh to fix this issue um this has been an issue is uh ongoing ever since policing has been in existence and I think it's something that uh for decades and decades we've continued to try to answer this question and try to solve for Solutions um and I do at the end I I do have some uh some comments on on that uh just some more background uh again I think it's stuff that we've talked about before but I think it's important when we talk in the context of of police officers and when they use force it is outlined in the California penal Penal Code 835a uh which outlines the legal framework for when any peace officer may use objectively reasonable force uh including deadly force and then also uh this includes when we think about force and the reasons they use it is to an effective arrest prevent escape and overcome resistance and uh and those uh the penal code outlines a lot of of what officers uh and it outlines what reasonable this is um but again um just as laws are written uh it doesn't cover every circumstance and is always up for debate of what the intent and meaning and what's objective and things like

that for the past five years um the Modesta police department has averaged 26.8 use of force incidents per year and we'll talk about that a little bit more um and in the 2024 uh the use of forces accounted for we look at and you can and data right you can you can you can look at data from different perspectives but 0.9% of all calls for service that come into the medesa police department and 80% of a of a percent of all rest and citations so to put this another way and this isn't discounting anything but 99% of all calls for serviced were handled with no use of force needed by the modestal police department or occurring so data one of the things that we looked at was The Last 5 Years 2020 through 2024 um again I asked Lieutenant kber to to provide this data at the end of 2024 understanding that some of our use of forces are still going to reviews so these numbers are are pretty darn close but uh but they could be subject to change as a few of the incidents are still going through the review process and being making sure that we're accounting for everything that's that's in the current systems um but when you look at this so this is an aggregate this is a a compilation of the total numbers and we look at all the use of forces through those five years uh you look at white uh use of force against white individuals there 34% of those use of forces were against white individuals 42% were against Hispanic individuals 177% and these these numbers round up or down uh depending on where the the point is but 17% of use of forces were against black people and uh Asian was uh 4% other is 2% and unknown uh is 1% so I think um what what we look at or

what's important to look at here is can you look at these numbers so the total when we look at numbers is 347 uh were were white individuals 433 were Hispanic 175 were black individuals uh 37 Asian individuals 26 others and six unknown and so I want to be able to provide those percentages because what the next few slides I'm going to show you is I want to take just one year of data 2024 and and I want to go through uh and show you the different ways that we've broken down the use of forces uh and to show you how complex this data can be and and how we could potentially analyze it so I again I probably hear me say this a lot tonight um but uh I I don't subscribe to the to the notion that we can provide simple answers for a very complex uh issue so going through the data and this is broken up onto two slides um but I wanted to take you through some of things and again there's even a lot more columns that we could break down this use of force data in your questions at the end you may have have some of those uh uh questions or thoughts but when you look at 2024 use of force data um you can see the total number of uh individuals that force was used against uh next to the ethnicity column so total number the next column is the total percent so when you look at uh the total percent of use of forces that the medicine Department Department used that is the total of that ethnicity in in the use of forces we also wanted to look a little bit at residents versus non-residents and so we looked at the data uh we looked at where they provided their address and uh to determine whether a resident of the city or not so you can see the number of residents and then you can also see the percent of uh of residents that force was used against and then and that First Column that says resident percentage that's the percent

of use of force and that ethnic that were residents uh if you're following me there the next column over is the percent of all so if you compare uh the people that were residents compared to all uses of force then that is the percentage makeup of of that uh and then we did the same with non-residents as well uh and then we also broke it down into dispatch call for service so when force was used uh under these individuals was it a dispat call for service where the police were called to that type of uh in in where Force ended up being used or was it and you'll see the next slide or was it what we call on view activity or self-initiated activity so did the police officer make a bike stop a traffic stop some type of self-initiated onview activity by the police officer and so you can see uh the the numbers and the percentages associated with that again it breaks down the percentage number uh and then and then compared to all uses of force uh as another uh Point piece of data uh when we look at information uh moving along what I talked about we looked at on view so again the number of on view uh incidents where use force was used uh that percentage percentage compared to all us of the force and then uh very small amount but what we call pre-planned missions so if we have one of our special units our SWAT team uh serving some type of of search warrant or things like that we consider that what we call pre-planned Mission so they're going to somewhere to to serve typically a search warrant or something like that where force was used and then again the percentages along with that and then what we did on addition to that when we looked at each ethnicity we looked at what type of we we categorized in several different categor categories what type of force was used against the individual and so you can see uh bodily force or a takedown or sorry we went

over controlling Force so that's where somebody had to grab somebody you know by their arm and and you know do a wrist lock or or something like that uh you have the bodily force or a takedown that's usually taking someone to the ground or or uh you know a step up from just a mere controlling Force impact weapon or a body strike a canine pepperball and bean bag taser and Firearm and so um this data um as you can see you know we can spend hours talking about even probably one of these categories but it is information and it should draw our curiosity to ask questions and and talk about why you know especially when you look at percentages and then we go back if you look at total uses of force and the total percent by ethnicity um and again I think you know news articles that have come out and some of the the concerns that were expressed here is you look at our our black black population at 16.3% of the use of forces uh in 2024 were used against our black population um and so um we'll continue to go on but I think we'll talk about some of that stuff so some of the current activities that are uh that we're involved in and one of the things that that since this conversation's been going on for months things that that we've considered and we've talked about so as as I've mentioned here before we've even talked with uh uh academics uh who who do this for a living to say you know what could we get out of a study and pay somebody and some academics to come in and do a study now these studies are typically 12 to 18 months or longer cost a significant amount of money uh and what could that data come back and tell us and so we we kind of threw that around a little bit and I've talked to some of you guys about that um we've we uh um we've looked at I've been in as I'll talk about uh talk to a lot of different Community groups uh and

individuals to try to assess what uh what locally which is my biggest interest what locally do we think we should do um and then um also looking at training and uh and what we can do to provide training to make sure when we talk about implicit bias and we talk about other things like that um that our officers are are are their decision-making is is is because of whatever situation in front of them and not determined by ethnicity and things like that or gender or sex and so um those are things that we continue to look at and try to adjust and and try to look at these things building Community relationships will I will harp on this uh uh all day long is that uh the the our community relationships are key as you'll see in the key takeaway slide on the next slide um and my belief uh to helping resolve this situation so things that we're doing is implemented a few years ago the culture relations class and I know we've talked about that here and I can't I can't overemphasize the uh the impact of of that class because it gives the opportunity for our police officers to interact with our Comm community members and often these are our minority community members uh to to have real conversations to have conversations about each other's perspectives so that when our officers go out on the street they understand someone else's perspective about and a minority Community memb perspective about what it feels like to be stopped by the police or contacted by the police and at the same time our community members get to understand what an officer feels when they're going on a call for service so they're making a traffic stop and things like that uh project resolve that's something that some of you guys are involved in that uh that we've been having uh meetings again for a few years which we have community members and stakeholder repres Representatives as well as law enforcement throughout the entire County going to these meetings to talk about issues such as what we're talking about today uh Community dialogues there's just even recently I I met I know uh

board member Grant is not here but I met with board member Grant and several um African-American community members on a Saturday to talk about this data and I showed them the use the use of force data and and inquired to to them and we had uh and it was it was a lot of our our our younger community members um to ask what they thought uh uh we could do and things that we can work work on um and then we have our traditional programming with examples uh that include the save me a seat program where our officers uh go to lunches uh lunchtime at different high schools and eat lunch with the kids to try to build build those relationships the 10K with the c cop program we have a school engagement officer detective Dodge that's in our our Middle School um our annual youth Summit uh which which is something that we've been doing for five or six years now and the clergy Council was the one that actually first first uh um suggested this and then we've taken it over where we bring approximately 100 high school kids uh over to the uh police academy on off of off of crow Landing Road and we do a day of force option simulator training and then usually have a key speaker and talk and interact with these kids and it's an amazing event um and and so much more but relation ships with our community um so that we can build trust and not distrust are things that we're going to continue to focus on as a police department and I think that the key points that uh I want to uh emphasize is that data is absolutely important uh and that we should 100% be curious of it ask questions you know again uh there was just newspaper articles written a few days ago uh and and again the easy conclusion is is is to uh is to draw the conclusion that that there's uh racism in policing and again while while I will not stand up here in front and tell you that there's not bias involved um and those are things that we continue to work out to to root out uh because again has been stated here a million times

everybody has biases but making sure that we're not uh using biases to affect the way that we do our work and and recognizing implicit bias and things like that is something that we're committed to making sure that we do so we can have the most effective and fair police uh uh police police department uh possible um so data is absolutely important U but I sometimes don't like the conclusions that that some news organizations jump to um so I already mentioned it but there's no one strategy or organization uh that's going to solve it and that's why I think it's important upon all of us as a police department as the cprb as our community um to learn and to be a learning organizations it's it's in it's in our our statement of our department what we are we're a learning organization and we're not going to be uh 100% perfect um and we're not going to know everything but we're going to commit to learning data con uh commit to continuing to improving as a police department and we want to be part of a learning community I think our community lived here long enough uh that I believe that our community also wants to be a community that grows and uh and really is more of a trend Setter than a follower and I think that's something that I'm proud of and why I live here and why I raise my family family here is because I'm proud of the community we live in and I think it's a it's a uh something that we want to do together uh and then I I want to leave you and I know I'm sure there'll be lots of questions but I want to leave you I just was a couple thoughts about uh how do we solve this issue um and again where there's no issue I think uh Community relationships in my uh opinion uh are a key part of this and I think that when you look at uh the history of policing in the United States and you look at um the distrust that has developed uh especially amongst some groups especially our minority groups um that that this distrust has grown and so when you think about it and you think about

the contact that police officers have especially with minority groups who may have a ton of distrust for the police department um you can just imagine at least I can about how that interaction may go when you have somebody who does doesn't believe the police department is going to treat them fairly you know they may be could be more apt um to to not go along with the program to think that they're going VI rights are going to be violated uh and at the same time now that becomes an adversarial reaction with the the police department and the police dep Department uh uh police officer um you know ends up reacting into some type of of use of force and and the same thing with implicit bi bias you know that's things that we have to look for but I think that uh the relationship uh between and building those uh strong relationships as we have uh culture relations classes as we have use of force simulator training as we have groups where I like I did where I sat down with uh minority community members a few weeks ago when we get to know each other and we get to build those relationships I think some of those fears go away and and and then lead to better outcomes and better interactions versus an adversar relationship and it's a tough it's a tough thing because a city of especially 200 20,000 people uh to try to try try to build those relationships with every individual is tough but I think it's something that we have to promote as a cprb as a city as a police department uh and I think that we can improve on those and then you have just the the a lot of things that are they're somewhat out of as we sit here today uh some of our are are really control or direct influence but I think is important when you look at the relationship between socio economic status and the likelihood of police cont uh crime where people live mistrust I think all of those factors have a f have a a big play in when we look at racial

disparities and policing uh in the United States so uh we need to continue to provide high quality and relevant training for our police officers we need to talk about principal policing we need to talk about um uh you know Integrity making sure we're treating everybody uh fairly you know one thing I told you before when IAL talk about uh when everybody I hire I talk about how I expect they're going to treat every member of the public how they would want a member of their family to be treated and I think if we use that Golden Rule uh we'll be a lot better off as even a police department and so that's my expectation and we'll continue to modify our training uh with suggestions uh from the public with best practices that we learn uh throughout our industry uh to make sure that we keep improving to make sure that we do whatever we can to make sure that racial disparities do not exist uh in in the policing that we do here in the City of Modesto so um in conclusion I think the uh and I kind of already said it but every conversation I have when we talk about um disparity and uses of force or arrests or or name it in policing uh the conversation without questioned at least the conversations I've been involved in I've been involved in a lot continue to come back to relationship building opport unities especially when we talk about our youth uh and making sure that we providing um uh positive opportunities and outlets and and things like that um and those are that's where the conversation goes every single time and without question that's where it went last time when I just recently met with uh with a group of of young African-American people so um me see if I have any other any points to make um I think when I look at just I guess I'll preemptively uh Cas this might be something on your mind because I know I know uh article came out and a little bit off topic but related um uh riid

data article came out I think yesterday in the metto be um and again these are these are articles that are written that are just written um and uh and and even though they reached out to us for comment I you know it takes time for us to look at data and and things like that too we don't always work on their timeline but something I want to look at when you look at 2022 data one of the things remember Rippa Rippa was newer we used in an application that application that we were using at the time was having all kinds of issues uh in in submitting the data um and and so that I actually sent a letter at that time um after we transition to a new uh new program explaining that our low numbers were due to system related issues and so again when you just see an article that talks about a triple increase in traffic stops uh you know it's all again data is important uh but data is not always what meets the eye and I think that when you look at the difference in that uh I can tell you from the riid data um that that there's a there's an inaccuracy there what was reported versus what we did because of a software system that we have since transitioned away from and getting that data to be uh entered into the Ripa system so I just wanted to make that uh make that coma comment because I think that's relevant when we talk about data uh and we talk about the way that we can perceive data we can report data and we can interpret data I think it's extremely important so with that I'm happy to answer any questions any questions press your button so we can that one right there see it light screen um I I was looking at this and it looks like you so this the annual report right and this it's a whole Year's data is there any way to get either monthly or data to see if there's trends that

may um like is this a holiday stress there's a lot more events between Thanksgiving and New years's Or there's summer boredom um just to see like if there's a there's a pattern where sometimes part parts of the year are worse than others or is it roughly 12 10 14 all year long throughout every month um the other thing I was thinking of and the reason I said that because we typically get if there's lethal Force we learn about it immediately virtually immediately but if there's just general use of force just different things that outlined in here we don't hear about it but once a year I was just kind of curious if if we could look into that uh or I don't know how how this data is collected um but the other thing I was curious about is there an age are there age groups both in those who are being uh the um the force is being used on and age group of the officers using the force because is there a bias generational issues like a a young rookie or a second third year do they have different levels of use of force than say a veteran of 14 15 years um just based on their experience they they've learned how to handle their their aggression differently or their confrontations and de and and decelerate uh those confrontations um and if and relative to the person who is uh receiving the the force is there age groups do are there part because of there's parts of our community that um need to be taught earlier like a a youth um like a TW under 20 or then we should be engaging earlier if it's if it's someone like you met this three weeks ago and their

fathers and mothers and they're and they're already in their uh you know parents and they're finally engaging you I mean there's two there's two two different people with different bias different levels of bias or evolution of their adulthood sure and so I'm just kind of curious if there's if that's too far into the weeds or does it give us Enlighten us on on where the problems might lie yeah so very good questions and this is I think a good example of of um there's never ending amount of data that we can provide it and I say that uh this data is absolutely stuff that that we could we could provide um but just like the data I've shown up there and and I think that we can do it Lieutenant clabber is usually the guy that's tasked with doing this so that's the guy I usually look at when I when I look at you know what's what's the timec consuming piece to get all this data so as as the the rest of the cprb gives any input or the public is input uh I definitely take a look at what what's in our with our um within our capabilities to do in a timely manner U but I think that that's data that we can I think I think um I think it's important and I'm not opposed to getting getting that data but I think oftentimes without looking at each individual use of force and why it occurred was it because the officer was t with somebody and didn't deescalate the this uh the situation enough was it because um the person that Force ended up being used on was fearful of the police and that was why I mean there's really you got to dict you got to look at each individual situation um but I think data can give us can give us point us in certain directions right and and make us uh ask more questions so I think these are are are are good things when you look at month days um uh monthly basis is summertime where we're going to look if you look at uh uh age group breakdown which I do have and I

can send to you guys I just got to confirm this was 2024 or was this AG yeah so we do have a a use of force breakdown I didn't put it in a slide but by gender I'm sorry not by yes by gender and by age group and so when you look just quickly go over some of this um but if you look at um I'll start with our our black community members you know when you look at 2024 there was only one male and one female in 0 to 17 age group uh there was four males in the 18 to 25 age group uh there was one female in the 26 to35 age group there were nine males and three females in the 36 to 45 age group and there was one male and one female in the 46 to 55 age group and one male and one female in the 56 to 65 age group and there was no use of horses on any ethnicity over 65 age group uh and I can if interested again I can email this out to you guys um but we have the other eth ethnicity on here as well sure long as you can figure out how to talk the officer starting with our new new system so we updated our form so now an officer every invol officer involved force will be collecting how many years of service they have just answer the very question and I think just to add before I forget one of the things that we hope uh you know no promises because sometimes things take longer than I always expect uh but we do have a new software system that does dashboards and one of my goals has been and will continue to be uh to create a uh transparency dashboard where we have a

lot of this data available to the public whether it's monthly or quarterly you know we'll have to figure it out but um but I think as you guys are interested I think the general public is interested in this data and so what we what we can we uh want to make sure that we put out even on a dashboard that people can go look at anytime that they want so that is something that we hope to accomplish this year um one of the reasons why I asked about the age of the of the officer is because I was I was curious that there training standards were different and the and the curriculum was different uh 20 years ago than it was 10 years ago than it was recently cuz you're always updating and improving I know that I know that the older officers then get retrained and and and brought up to date on the latest but um I was just wondering if if if there could be some you maybe the efficiency if that most recent training is not working if that say the incidents were older officers were more involved or if it or if it's uh the younger officers are more involved maybe it's maybe it's it's more of a experience and or lack of experience and just anxiousness as a new officer I also was the other one I just thought of is um when you hire outside outside officers from that have been trained in another program in another Community like Livermore or Sacramento or Fresno or something and they've moved here you've hired them away and they don't have the same training that possibly that you had that that was I'm just trying to figure out what if they're if you can identify using that um oh you've got a problem you you haven't been taught in the way we've been taught or yeah there's data that that we'll continue you know I don't have it now but there's data that we're going to continue to look look at as you were talking one of the things that that you know we may end up looking at is um you

know because you may think of it when you talked about laterals coming to our our agency you know there's the post standards that everybody every police officer in California has to have uh any even the ongoing training so every agency complies with that um but things like the cultural relations class right so after somebody goes through the cultural relations class do use of forces go up or down or do officers that have that versus not have that have any more or less use of forces so I think these are all good suggestions and good ideas um and again it's just a matter of time and trying to collect the data which is sometimes you know takes takes a while to do um but but I appreciate those comments and I think those are all relevant things to consider next Nancy thank you um I I appreciate you're mentioning that article in today's paper and I just want to make sure I understand you so what you see is at least part of the reason for the the big Surge and traffic stops would be a change in the software or a different use of the software yeah so so we we had issues with um officers after they made a traffic stop or had any type of Ripa compliant you know Ripa compliant interaction uh which is any detention um or they they have to get on their phone and they had to enter this riid data and the previous software which the name of it Brian you know escapes me right now because I can't remember veritone is what we either used to use or now use but nonetheless was a different Software System uh we got it free of charge um from you know the software company tried to use it uh we had all kinds of issues getting successful submissions into uh into the system and so uh we uh sent a letter to doj explaining uh the low

income uh the low instances of of entries uh and transition to the new system that that we now have so one of the things I've asked is to look take a look at because we we have records uh which I which is to me is more accurate uh every traffic stop that we make or interaction that we have and so um that is something that that we'll look at because I believe you're going to see a lot more traffic stops uh than 3,529 in 2022 I don't have the data in front of me it's something that just came out yesterday so I've asked our staff to look into the data uh but already talking to my records manager um this is this is uh the explanation and I and I remember WR sending the letter to doj uh about what it is so you know but but the uh again a headline uh that Modesto PD triples uh their traffic stops um you know was pretty you know leads people to conclusions and and sometimes news organizations are more about clicks and read leadership than it is about solving problems so um but that is something that uh we'll take a look at and can come back at a later time um because I'm confident while there probably is an increase because we have more officers uh we continue to hire more officers I continue um uh to want to make sure that we're we're driving down crime in our city uh and traffic and traffic behavior and driving is pretty darn horrible in our city uh so I expect our Traffic Unit to make traffic stops I expect our officers to be out there making traffic stops and uh so there's no doubt I'm sure there is an increase I I don't think it's that increase thank you who's next J up here is this is good okay all right good thank you thank you um Chief uh we've had a lot of different

conversations about and I I have a whole slew of questions too many to take up too much time but what I will do is um type them all out for you and send them to you um especially in preparation for the February 18th Town Hall cuz this is not about um got you or attacking or anything like that it really is about um how do we correct or how do we solve problems y so I I first too want to commend you because I think that you really from the bottom of my heart I really do believe that you have um tried to introduce new Concepts and things since you've become the police chief the cultural relations class is really good it's awesome your um willingness to have um Community Police review board you supported that I think that's another good thing that shows your sincere attempt to try to rectify some of the things um just a couple of the questions that I would have um that you'll see is um do you keep a tally on particular officers that are involved in use of force incidents related to any race for example with ltia he had four um four um a involve shootings right yeah so whenever there's a use of force with particular officers do you keep up with we do with that okay so that would be one thing that I think would be interested in reporting and then too with these officers that are involved in use of force do you know how many have been um in the military or have been in combat situations before uh we do uh typically uh well not typically I can't think of where we don't because people usually put that on the resume so uh I don't know if it's up to date but we did look uh as an exercise not in use of force but to see how many people we have in the military uh we did have a

spreadsheet at one point uh recently I'd say in the last year of who was in the military and who wasn't so I know we we can get that data and keep it up to date but we do know who was in the military and who wasn't I think that would be interesting to know and then too whenever you get a report um can you outline that process of how it works that you know there was a use of force incident yes so anytime an officer uses force uh the required uh for our policy to report that immediately to a supervisor and so a supervisor uh unless there's some exigent circumstance where they can't is required to come on scene uh to uh talk to the officer and evaluate what's going on uh the officer then is required to enter that use of force uh with all of the suspect data their own data into uh this uh tracking system um use of force tracking system with all of the details about it the case number the injury to the officer the injury to the suspect what type of force was used all of that type of stuff um the reports get attached and that goes to a supervisor uh the supervisor goes out on scene photographs are taken of the suspect Witnesses are talked to the suspect is tempted to be talked to uh all those are captured in police reports we have the uh the the photo graphs all of that is forwarded to a sergeant for review so that Sergeant looks at all that and aligns with our policy on use of force and determines whether that use of force or makes a recommendation on whether that use of force as was it with within policy uh but then also even if it was within policy can call out uh training issues that they thought hey maybe they didn't deescalate the situation enough they could have that you know this would have happened it uh maybe next time it would have led not led to a use of force uh they also can call out good behavior uh like hey you really Tred to deescalate that situation and it still ended up in a use of force I mean we expect both positive and and negative comments if

there are any in those reviews so they make a suggestion and that gets sent to their lieutenant and that Lieutenant then uh reviews that use of force as well along with the comments from the sergeant uh and then uh determines whether he agrees or disagrees or he or she disagrees uh and any further comments uh that they have and then that get forwards uh gets forwarded to that division's Commander uh so a captain of of whatever division which most of our use of forces come from our Operations Division which our Patrol Division and that Captain does the same thing and that Captain ultimately makes a final uh a final decision on whether that use of force is within policy now when it comes to officer involved shootings it's a whole different story that goes to Internal Affairs uh we we follow the process Internal Affairs does the administrative um uh DA's office does uh a criminal review of the investigation and obviously doj gets involved if the circumstances meet it but in general use of forces minus officer involved shootings um the previous three level of review is how most of our use of forces uh get reviewed so are the body cams ever checked always always okay that's good okay um yeah I'm really interested in just learning more about how this whole process works to include the training that the officers get because you know the statistics that uh the Modesto B initially put out had to do with 10 years back right not just this past year so maybe this past year does show Improvement and I think that when there's effort into it um that things can improve you know when you when we really do try to confront certain issues and I I think under your leadership that uh things will improve uh yeah just to let you know the Last 5 Years again I I wanted to make this digestible because sometimes you can over data and then we're all kind of left with our brains

reeling um but we did look at the last five days we aggregated in that in that slide um but but when you look at use of force I'll just give you totals uh 2019 actually we did six years 2019 196 use of forces uh 2020 it actually jumped up to 266 uses of force 2021 is 200 uses of force 2022 was 232 uses of force uh 2023 was 195 uses of force and 2024 ended with 141 uh uses of force so definitely the lowest use of forces that we've had uh this past year uh understanding that it could fluctuate just by a few um since in the last six years well I know that there's concern um with the new Administration and and possibly police officers feel more empowered and emboden and protected to do whatever they want to do um so it'll be interesting to see how uh things uh move forward and I think that's why it's critical more than ever especially with the fear uh that people have right now about about uh the the incoming Administration like you said we just have to look to the immigration issue and and the fear that we see going on there which is why uh when we can we feel it's appropriate we're going to get out in front of issues and we made a statement on social media the other day um because we trust building in our community is key uh to darn near everything I think you're good at getting out in front of issues Chief can I just add one thing just for some context yeah for 2024 these numbers may still change or they they are going to change they're not finalized yet so I just make sure we're clear on that I think I said that I just want to make sure I make sure it's understood sorry and and one last comment though um because I know that when we look at data

just reading it is Data but for people who have actually experienced some kind of trauma and to include myself I mean that stays with you for life and especially if you have kids that see that or you know just different things and so I I'm really hoping that Modesto can be the model for um changing some of these stats that are not just Modesto but also Nationwide sure well and and to that point Point even the the meeting I had a few Saturdays ago hearing some of the conversations there uh there's no doubt that they were 100% genuine and uh and the impact that they remember the context they have in a negative context uh like you said people remember those the rest of life and then that's often forms their perspective uh right and that's natural for us all and so it's something that we want to do our best to make sure that we're not traumatizing people and having these interactions that that leave people with a negative perception of our Police Department for the rest of their lives yeah unnecessarily I mean sometimes I know use of force is necessary right yeah but we're talking about unnecessary use Force agreed what's next Nico I know I saw him push it did you push it yeah just I think it's Nico's necklace okay all right I'll leave it quick Frank added a lot of data for you guys to capture already um the only thing I was asking is any data behind like the language spoken of the suspect um and like how many were Spanish speakers only things like that

language bear and how we can try to resolve those issues during any uses of force yeah that might be a tougher one I'll look at Brian but but I don't we might be able to figure out how we can reconcile that yeah I believe that information was captured with our with our former system which most of this data comes from so we probably could find it all I don't want to confirm that right now without having a chance to check I think it was collected no good good well we can take it we can see if we have that data awesome thank you guys okay I have a couple questions um I I'm happy to see the trending down of the the numbers U and there's only so much you can do also in the in the respect with like Wendy said there's some people that are just you have to use use the force in order to resolve the issue because of their act their uh Behavior so I mean to be fair I think that's that's part of it but but it's I love what you said about medesa being the leader in this in teaching others how to get those numbers down to where we don't have this um these things going on that that people have experienced that have caused trauma I I know a guy an artist friend that from Chicago that had a lot of issues that just just because he was a black guy and and I've never I've never had that but to to have that cloud that's that's over you all the time it really affects how you know how you think and uh relate it's hard being black yeah no I I know and uh somebody told me told me you don't know what it's like to get up every day and walk out and think about that all day long and how are people relating to me

based on not who I am as a person but just the color of my skin and that that's it's a real thing how do these numbers compare with like sized um police departments well that is often difficult unless Brian knows more than I do um a lot of the reporting is voluntary when it comes to use of force with the FBI and things like that and so um you know I haven't seen I mean there's nonprofits and different agencies to put out reports the FBI does put out reports um but but I couldn't tell you I couldn't tell you uh specifically uh agencies related to our size I can tell you the data that I continue to look around when you poke around look at other cities big and small throughout the United States uh the numbers are often very similar so there's there's usually disparity uh when it comes to use of forces or yeah traffic stops things like that uh with minority group populations Steve I see you on there do you have any comment on Steve may have a better he may have any question was how do these numbers compare with agencies so I I I really that it's a big it's a very big question and there are a lot of variables that go into it so I I wouldn't have a simple answer for you I guess is how I would put it okay that's fair it's just another thing to compare you know along the way all right any questions from the audience Bryant Ken now check Chief um you provided us with five years of data here uh then you also mentioned you had some from 2019 as well uh and I noticed um not surprising to me anyway and I don't know whether it would be

surprising to you that the the pandemic years seem there seem to be a spike in these incidents of use of force um and then it seems that since then it's trended downward um is that valuable information to you or is it too early to tell that that's a trend developing or is it um I I guess do you use that to um you know develop your management strategy as far as you know training and that sort of thing it it I mean the last two years it seems to be trending downward that's only a small uh you know capture of information so you understand what I'm asking is it is it of value to you well I yeah I think what my what my initial thought was when you uh asked that question was um I think I would just be giving a anecdotal answer uh and and and I don't know when I look at year years particularly I more of a look look at what happened I think in in 2020 you had George Floyd and I think there was a lot of distrust growing amongst the nation with uh police and so um again I've got nothing to back it up but uh but I you know is the growing distrust and unhappiness did that lead to more tension and interactions to more uses of force possibly I'm not saying that I haven't analyzed the data I don't know um but 2020 2020 is in the last six years is when we had our highest use of force so um so more than Co I think it could be again just the social perception of heighten awareness of or the social perception of police yeah yeah because I I I I fully believe that's where it comes back to relationships if there's a distrust

amongst two people when they're communicating uh there often can be uh you know bad outcomes if if me and you are buddies and we're talking to each other we have you know we're on the same playing field um maybe there's less likely maybe right I mean we all know there circumstances Beyond anybody's control but uh but I think uh I think the more that we can understand what each other us as the community uh perceptions of an African American uh getting stopped by the police and what they may feel different to a Caucasian person I think we need to understand that so that our interactions take those feelings into consideration because someone with less trust in in the police it doesn't have to just be it could be any ethnicity but people with less trust in the police and fear of the police may act a way that seems suspicious to the officers and then that interaction goes bad and now are use force is being used know so I think it's again it's not it's not one Collective Department agency organization uh in my opinion to solve this issue I think we all have to play a part uh in solving this issue yeah thanks that it okay is anybody in the audience have any questions comments regarding the report hello board um and officers uh I had a question about the use of force data um when you guys say it's like non-residents um does that include like the house less since they don't have actually have like actual like addresses like to actually report to and then um when these use of force incidents are happening are they happening like around the same neighborhoods or specific neighborhoods there's like there's like

of course we all know some neighborhoods have a higher like you know crime due to like poverty but um that that's my question is this happening more in the same neighborhoods is happening around schools and like what impact does this have like on our youth because I know one of the things that we're focusing on in this cprb is um reducing youth arrests for Hispanic um youth so those are like my three questions for non-residents Does it include the houseless because again they don't have addresses is it done in the same neighborhoods and how does this um happen and affect does it this happen around the schools and how it affects our youth okay good okay uh good questions answer for the second question first I have not mapped these so I don't have a map for that to answer that question as far as the first question goes uh non-residents we if a person was unhoused we included them as a resident of Modesto um because it's impossible to tell but I think one thing we found with our uh point in time counts and whatnot is that most of our inhouse population are actually from here so they are our residents so we we included those among modestal residents um do a lot of these use of force incidents in um happen around schools and the same neighborhoods I think that Excuse excuse me maybe Brian needs to answer that um I think that goes back to the first answer we haven't mapped where all the use of forces uh uh happened so that's something I'll take a note of to see if uh you know to consider that as well because obviously mapping where it happens would also give us if it was around schools and such thank you and also give you a place to start with some of this stuff right right if you see it in a particular neighborhood that would be good any question yeah any other questions

comments good evening all uh just addressing some of the points that were raised in that presentation uh I'm glad that taking time to Deep dive into the data and while there is complexity in the issues of policing and I think it's also important to keep in mind that while the data May at times be complex sometimes the realities of the disparities that we're seeing with disproportionate use of force against our black residents the reality if you're getting victimized in that way is going to feel very simple you're going to feel less than you're going to feel like you're not respected so I'm glad to know that there are efforts being made to improve community relations and to that point I would say that since Modesto Police Department Prides itself on being a learning organization I would bring up as I've done in this chamber previously uh the need to demilitarize our police force uh now I recognize when I say that people might you know find oh is that defund the police no it is not these are separate ideas because when I'm saying demilitarize I think the fact that that our police force has some of the equipment that it does cu all the drones that we have all the pepper gel oh all the different swap types of vehicles I can't help but feel like that makes the city less safe but again Modesto Police Department is a learning organization so don't just take my feelings for it and I've cited this previously in this chamber as well uh Nature's Journal of human behavior has found that militarization of police forces does not improve safety outcomes for communities it does not make people feel safer not even a little bit so being as we're so data driven I would hope that we could take the science heart uh and recognize that a militarized police force is not a safer police force a militarized police his department is not a safer Police Department uh our streets are not at War I do not see any reason why we need such militarization in our police force moreover uh while we're on the topic of

diving into things on a deeper level uh some semantics here but I think they're important uh I noticed the phrase officer involved shooting was used uh and while I recognize that's a common phrase I think that often divorces the reality when I think about the history of police violence in Modesto uh when I think of Trevor sver I don't think he was the victim of an officer involved shooting I think he was the victim of murder uh and I think it's fair to name that uh words matter uh In This Very chamber just recently our police chief had said that he found the term know your rights to be adversarial and I don't think it's adversarial for someone to want to know their rights I think that's a common sense want that any member of the community would want and in the name of building trust I would hope that we could maintain things like knowing our rights because personally as a member of the community we're off topic suain fair enough um with that being said uh I do feel that it's Germaine to the issue of Community Trust uh I'll acknowledge that if that's off topic I'll respect that but I I do disagree with that claim uh I think that if we're going to build trust we have to demilitarize and we have to know our rights thank you thank you anyone else hello everybody hi I also have a couple questions um but before we do that I understand that what um one thing that was kind of mentioned on here is how folks engage with police do affect outcomes um and of course that would always be the case uh whether do or not you know like um we we've been told I've been told uh by folks to obviously do not have your moment of Justice um when you're in these types of situations but have them in courts and stuff like that but even that is a fear for the fact

that that issue even exists the fact that those circumstances lead to that um and what ends up happening is I'm glad that we are trying to have more dialogue with uh minority community members um um but what I want to know more of like what what came out of that dialogue um and if that's what we're going to move for should we do that more often are we going to need that more often due to yes there's a lot of trauma and harm regarding this uh the disproportionate rates are there um and it's not just something that happens whether or not the history of policing has just led to it any type of disproportionate rate of something is a cause for alarm it should always be treated that way um before we were also told that more cultural relations classes would have less cops out on the streets uh but I think I mean I feel like a lot of us do agree that we should have that and I feel like a lot of us should have more more Savor so I feel I hope you're agreeing that maybe we should continue that even further uh with more police because I agree with my comrade who last time said I would rather have more people have that training uh police than actually um than than a bunch that are there on the streets not with without that training um and so I want to make sure that also maybe due to the fact that crime rates in the United States are at an all-time low um and what we normally see here and also based on the police reports a lot of the arrests are for low-level nonviolent crimes be most of them being traffic stops or others in that Arena and also the quality of life crimes uh which is really policing houseless folks um which is much more of a socieconomic issue and I think um can we talk more about possibly is what's being used is broken windows policing that is leading to a lot of these incidents and maybe leading to unnecessary uh use of force incidents but also um in order for us to feel safe

too I feel like we want much stronger accountability measures and we've talked about this before but it's really looking at that arbitration process we want to make sure that folks that do uh police that do uh engage in dangerous incidents to use of force incidents um can be held accountable and that's why we want to push that so that the chief can ensure that they are not on the police force um and that's arbitration is okay so the the just for clarification the public comment on the uh should be limited to the the actual topic okay anyone else you have to no there's sorry there's there's there's one so you get one chance to to speak on the item sorry U this is even more important why we need to get out into the community because in this type of structured setting it's just impossible to have dialogue if you got to just stick to one topic it it can only be 3 minutes um people can't really express and say what they want to say because it's too strict and so that's why I think we really need to get out into the community a lot more so that we don't have to cut you off at at three minutes and that you you know you may hit a really good point at 2 minutes and 59 seconds and then we got to say oh it's 3 minutes so you can't talk anymore or if a topic slides off into another Arena sometime we just got to follow the flow with what what it goes and we can't do that here and so I think that's even

more reason part of the solution I think is us coming from behind these seats and and getting out the community so we can really talk and just just just for clarification the open the initial public comment is is open for any any topic that's related to the board you and chair if I may uh if if a member of the public has a question on that that wasn't able to be asked uh they can give that question to myself liutenant kber assistant chief we'll be happy to answer all right still too many rules to control okay so we're going to close the public comment part of this and uh there's no action needed on this and now we're going to go to C adoption of calendar topics 2025 Scotty okay thank you Mr chair and members of the board um at the last meeting um there was a discussion topic regarding uh topics for the 2025 presentation calendar uh for the cprb what you have before you this evening is a list of topics that were um uh assigned to the various months uh from January through June um and then there are additional topics that we have listed at the bottom and and the it's staff's recommendation that uh you know that the topics be um somewhat flexible throughout the year you know and that the board assigns topics maybe over the next three to four to five months and then maybe as we come back in about three months or so another discussion can be about okay what do we set for um July August maybe there's another topic that could be fitting fit into June um you might be able to do that along the way it's important to also note that there is you know oftentimes time required for staff to do some research

or to come back uh with information that's requested from the board so this is helpful to us if we do that you know with a couple months in advance we'd be able to possibly come back in March April uh with your board and then you we can talk about some topics for the next months the the nice part about having um in our opinion the nice part about having topics at the bottom bottom here is sometimes it's a little bit more timely like we know that we want to talk about these topics at some time Point some point in the year um but uh there might be an incident or there might be something that comes up and says you know we'd like to bump that into the queue um or that we or there's which we which has happened this year there's maybe a a time or two when we've kind of rearranged the topics because there was something that was a little bit more of more interest to the board based on timing so this is what we've plugged in um it's the use of force study update which is tonight um presentation by the judge in February March has Community engagement activities presentation and update on officers at school program uh April has the off the oir annual report January 2024 through December 2024 and then may 2025 is MPD response report to oir annual report and then June has cpb's annual report uh January 2024 through December 2024 again you know some of these are kind of normal business that we have plugged in here such as the annual reports the annual reports um and responses but there might be additional topics that you want to take from the bottom or add one to the bottom um we can do that at any time and so Mr chair I turn it back over to you uh how does that sound to everyone do we need to act on approving like the first three months of this

or yeah staff's recommendation is that there's an action taken to adopt the schedule as presented tonight and then also um uh the with the uh recommendation that staff will or that uh topics will be added later throughout the year okay so yes can we get confirmation now kind of as inclusion of that the February meeting will be held somewhere else I'm sorry I should have brought that up thank you for the reminder you're welcome um as mentioned at last month's meeting um there was a request for a meeting of the cprb um in an alternate location other than 1010 10th Street um and staff we've went out and done our due diligence we have found a location it is available and it is in a portion of the community I believe um which was desirable by the cprb and that's the king Kennedy Memorial center southwest Modesto um that that is a location that's available um and we have confirmed that and we have um asked them to put a placeholder down for us to have that meeting there at the same time um at the third Wednesday of the month um in February and uh one note is that when we're when we're away from this building we don't have the exact technology uh abilities that we do at at this facility um that means that Zoom will not be able to be broadcast from there however we will have a video camera there so that we can we can film the board meeting and then we would post that following the meeting thank you for the reminder okay again be the dat's 19th and we'll also be at the king Kennedy Center on the 18th and that was my recollection is that uh that was what why that location

is also [Music] desirable okay so we need to uh have a motion to I have a another question if we want to add something to uh this or move it up do we have to wait until we go to the discussion part and do it then or should we suggest it no Sugg I think that um we need to include on the agenda something about the m deportation in Isis and ice I mean that's a really Community uh concern okay um actually I'll ask the police chief to weigh in on that particular topic I know that that was discussed last month also oops sorry go ahead only because I'm sure it will defer to us um Beyond like what I said and I think I attached my our department policy to the cprb I I guess I would just ask clarification uh on when and where and what exact information uh you want happy to do it I just want to get some direction on well I think people want to know kind of know what to expect and again what their rights are if they're approached um by uh Patrol the different types of uh patrols that are out there there's just a lot of fear uh going on right now and I don't see how that could wait until July or August or September that be some because your your presentation on that is pretty short it's because it's you know I heard what you're uh what it is could we do that at the king Kennedy Center we're not you're not going to be able to answer for all the other sure organizations but that could be very appropriate in my mind for for you to say what what your policies are and

procedures are yeah I think what my role would be in that is uh or suggest my role uh is uh providing clarification like I I I've done and maybe it's helpful in a different forum and that's why I want I sent you guys the email because I wanted to make sure that for your stakeholder groups that you are part of you can disseminate that information as well but I would be happy to uh at that meeting if if if that's the board feels appropriate provide kind of clarification like I did uh just to reiterate the different roles that the federal government uh plays uh versus local law enforcement that I think that would be helpful otherwise every time a police car comes up to anybody they're going to be really really afraid sure and and everybody's at risk when people are fearful right and if they feel like you know they're getting ready to get arrested or or whatever yeah if You' like me to to uh reiterate that in a very quick presentation at the king Kennedy Center next month we're happy to do that I think that's very appropriate I think that would be good no it's it's just it'll be part of the motion as discussed you know that the topics as discussed and John you can check me here topics as discussed the motion on that and then also a motion on uh approving conducting the meeting in February at the King County Memorial center you want to buckle those together I think that would be fine all right and I since we're going to talk about lumping it together I I have an um I know Austin brought forward the idea of us working together to put together a Community presentation uh which he he called know your right Summit I'm thinking more of a community presentation Workshop um and it was it was suggested in our report to the city council that we do this type of thing out the community so I was wondering if uh it

makes sense to have that beginning to talk about that happened in the committee uh policy goal committee number one which Trish uh chairs to improve relations between community and the department it's already it's already a standing committee um and because our I would want Austin to be there because he's it's his brainchild and he can be there in in addition on that topic without violating the brown act because I'm I'm I'm able to be on any of the committee so that's why there are only three and so by adding four it still doesn't violate the brown act but nobody else could attend those but I just think it's I don't want to wait to start talking about this stuff because it's it's there's a whole whole thing about how we're going to get out to the community that this is going to solve uh or at least get started the conversation about that so I would suggest that we add that to the it's on it's on the the the items here but it's a future topic that we um assign that to policy goal one do you have any comments about that you're good no okay uh actually um my committee met the three of us met equally you know it's not I'm not the chair of that we're jaring together uh but that committee uh we met today actually and we also recognized a connection between our kind of charge here and this component of it so I would like to make a a suggestion so to speak and see if my uh two fellow Community or committee Partners would agree that we um step forward we will take ownership of getting this off the ground start with a suggestion to build a

subcommittee from that with the key stakeholders that should be at that table for that and directly including Austin because it's his brainchild but allowing us to kind of help collaborate the other partners bring the concept to life maybe we would share how we run that element but I think it would make sense if you guys are on board with that we could do that Frank any anybody have any comments about like that okay good because I just felt like we were T we weren't addressing the issue that Austin brought up and I think he did a great job of it was if you look at his thing he gave us it was it's pretty broad so that to two of you we have not all necessarily seen it other than we got a glimpse of it yesterday um but I before we commit that I'd like my third partner here to weigh in no I agree I agree thank you okay all right Brad you got what you wanted all right well not yet well and and John I I just checked with you I don't think that we really need a motion on that particularly it's like that's a subcommittee um following up based on the charge that subcommittee actually has you just discussed it just now okay okay yeah you just adopt that as an item of your committee Sami you turn my mic on oh I turned all the microphones on it's just EAS freefor all yeah we need to just keep order I'm I'm going to move that we accept the uh wait I think we need to have a public comment on this first is that right just open it up to public open up to public comment before we vote on this okay anybody have any comments

okay yeah anything related to this to the calendar to the calendar if you want to add suggest adding something on there you're welcome to do that so again um one of the things that we've been talking about when we come coming to the cprb meetings is like um um how arbitration is allowing for um Joseph lantia to sue the city and possibly get his job back so I feel like um having that um and including that discussion the calendar topics would be beneficial for us especially because um again it gives us like holding those people accountable when um officers are not you know are actually harming our commun Community instead of protecting them and I feel like there's nothing better that improves those Community relationships than actually holding those cops accountable um another one is definitely policing onh house folks and I know that there has been some um you know worries that like hey well how can cprb really like um help out like this issue when there's like a whole separate committee for that but again um most of us um is are closer to being unhoused than we ever will be to becoming you know wealthy um and these people are the ones who are the most vulnerable and people will most will less likely actually stand up for these people again Trevor sier had a lot of support but because of his family PE people who are on house they don't have the economic means to kind of like bring in attorneys and fight for their rights or file complaints um and I think that is definitely something we do want to like um um ensure that like we are advocating for this community because these people are our neighbors and these people are still residents of Modesto um we definitely I understand the police has um I think recently you guys published like how um you guys are going to go um

with I um I I don't think you guys are involved with them but I definitely do want to see like how um just reassuring the community what is your role what to expect because I know you guys are improving relations and but but most of us um are most of the people here in Modesto aren't actually like citizens they're not actually legal residents but they're still residents of Modesto they contribute to our economy they are also our neighbors these are people who work hard and um there is a lot of fear with that and even though policing and then I are different forms of law enforcement just to um reassure the community that they will be safe and definitely I to add on to that um maybe even push for like Sanctuary City resolutions with the city council because again uh I know this is just for our mod just police department but it's also like us um having these constructive conversations is to make sure that all of our residents here in Modesto will actually feel safe um and have and you know be productive um and yeah those are a few of the topics that I'm hoping that you guys might consider in these next um upcoming organizing thank you two two of those we are already on we're going to talk about the ice at King Kennedy next month and there's in our parking lot the police home policing and homelessness and presentation by the homeless Alliance or two of those and as she was speaking you're the chat team is under you correct and the Rangers is under you so that that makes it make a lot of sense for what we're doing here so when we get to that that will be uh something quick comment on the well just one on the U Sanctuary City issues like that we don't have anything to do

that you need to talk to city council about that we don't we're about policing only and then um in regards to the arbitration if you can possibly reach out to us and let us know like specific things you want to know about because we did have a presentation about arbitration and so you know what else is it that you want to know about exactly you know the details of it so that we can try to figure out specific topics to talk about in regards to that yeah that do you know what what month that was that we talked had it wasn't that long ago we don't have that but if the member of the public would like to leave their contact information we'd be more than happy to send them a link to the presentation that was uh I believe that might have been in around August August September September thank you okay don't forget also that the judge is supposed to speak on February the 19th about his perspective of reducing youth arrest uh especially with latino you right so all right we'll close the public comment and come back I think we had another one oh I'm sorry I didn't see you okay there's not another one right there's two more two more whoever's a okay thank you just so you know uh to give an introduction we are CV bipox Central Central Valley black indigenist people of color Coalition we didn't introduce ourselves um but yes 100% agree with uh having a topic about ice I think it's a very urgent one so yes um I do support that we do um we also we're going to double down on this but we do want to have more of a

conversation about that arbitration and we can definitely talk more about uh it specifically reviewing the situation with Joseph lamancha um and really talking about other cities uh and their decisions regarding arbitration and that's why we want to keep that uh we want to push for that as a as a topic um we do want to talk about policing on house folks because in the police report uh for medes so the most recent one was from June 2024 and for statistics for crime statistics for that for quality of life it's 1,092 from from June it's like a thousand every single month uh that's insane uh and as we can see is that these folks also get their stuff thrown away because of Grant's Pass versus Johnson um Can arrest people site people just for having uh what do you call it even if they don't have anywhere to go so we do want to talk about that um cuz I think we have we should put resources elsewhere than just like harassing homeless folks uh hate crimes was a thing and I think it still is but we recently had those situations regarding like Southside Modesto and around the series area we want to talk about that too we want to continue having that conversation just so folks um specifically folks of color do feel safe um we also want to talk about chat and really look at what's been going on uh statistics regarding chat and ways that we can make improve it um so that we can have folks responding to mental illness situations again Trevor saer was an example one that went really wrong and also Paul Chavez and unfortunately uh his wife um had also passed away due to that trauma um y'all's policy a goal is to review use of force uh I think we should continue that conversation to see okay what has come uh of it like specifically those convers with uh minority groups like are we

getting stuff out of that definitely interested to know about that um we do support uh talking about reducing youth youth arrest too that's something that y'all mentioned and we 100% align with that too if we can for sure get that on there uh more often um and I believe that's uh what I have here thank you next just real quick just to respond real quick I don't believe correct me if I'm wrong but we can't speak specifically about the arbitration case with Joseph Loma because it's still ongoing so that's something that we will not be able to do I just want to throw that out there for you good evening uh very much echoing the sentiments of my peers but in order to avoid uh keeping us all here for longer than we need to be tonight I don't just say I strongly support those ideas but I'm also specifically interested in learning more about some of the community outreach programs because I think we all come in here with very different perspectives and and I'm aware of programs like having like save me a seat or 10K with a cop up uh so just learning more about some of those existing programs uh and the impact that they have like what can we point to to say hey this is working or in what ways uh specifically those regarding our school sites I'm an education myself so that's of particular interest to me um I think would be something that'd be of general interest to the community just trying to get clarity on what are the programs what are their impacts where are we seeing those those making sure that we're always applying our efforts in the most efficacious way for our community thank you thank you anyone else okay CNN bring it back to the board and we need a motion to accept as discussed the uh

calendar and always able to change it but this this is just our marching orders for tonight and then as things occur or something else comes up I will make a motion to accept this with the understanding that as needed we can make changes and that the location in February is at King Kennedy Center and the presentation by the judge could potentially be titled so that it includes more of what Wendy said it's presentation by judges not explanatory that's my motion I second the motion okay all those in favor I iOS all right motion carries now we go to a which is the election of a chair and vice chair uh I'm just reading my cheat notes Here uh we're going to we're going to have uh we're going to open up now for nominations for the chair and vice chair but we're going to take them one at a time because we do it together then you're you're on a like a ticket type thing so it's one at a time and we're going to take the chair first and uh what we'll happen is we'll call for a motion and and then I have a motion and a second and then Kirk calls the rooll if you don't get the majority then we'll do it again until we get the same amount the majority majority so we need motions

yes I moved to elect uh nicoo Solario member Solario was chair I second okay since we're doing the counting we take the role member Beasley day here I guess you just say I I you want me to say I yes um member Bryant I member bird I member Christensen I member deell I member Smith hi Vice Chio n chairman Han yes believe that means um moving on to the chair and after this item you get to take over and have fun with it so we have a vice chair nomination is this how we did it last time exactly like this y I'm reading it right here I and all of our committees all of our committees get to do this so I'll I'll nominate uh board member um demell for vice chair second so can you call the role yes member Bley day hi member Bryant I member bird I member Christensen I member deell no member

Smith Cher salorio No all right chairman Han yes I think so that motion carries so we have Nico is a chairman Frank is vice here can I just ask you should it should Austin because he wasn't here can he not have been nominated or what because Austin has his whole program I don't want to push back too hard I mean I'll do it obviously but I I think in Austin was has a lot of energy with no your rights and and uh was very uh very I think he's good with the outcome he's good with the outcome okay okay then I'm good with the outcome okay yeah yes thanks thank you maybe we'll ask City the attorney um should they rearrange their seats now oh uh have this yeah you can stay there okay so where are we [Music] at actually we we did shift um it looks like 5B we went into the conversation so oh that's the attorney on that for 5A 5A was alternate cprb meeting location and Mr attorney it looks like we've already motion on that and it was approved so we're on to 5 a we already discussed 5B okay um so we're moving on to 5B and we have a presentation from independent police auditor update from Stephen

Conley good evening again everybody uh and congratulations or consolations to to chair Solorio and and vice chair D moral and thank you very much uh chair a former chair Han I just know know how much time um went into the job as far as your perspective on it and um your leadership in the first year and a half of the organizations very much appreciated so thank you I'm happy to be with you tonight remotely I'm even more enthusiastic about being with you in person again next month and I'm looking forward to getting together with commissioner bird offline or excuse me board member bird offline at some point uh in the next couple of weeks so that we can do some planning I'm I'm planning to be uh in Modesto for both of the events on February 18th and February 19th at the king Kennedy Center and and happy to play um as much or little a role in either of those as as uh the board thinks would be appropriate just a couple of more things with regard to my current activities and just to follow up on on some of the things I heard earlier today I appreciated the chief's presentation on on use of force uh and some of the statistical data one of the things that he mentioned was just to talk at and and it was prompted by a question from board member bird just in terms of the the Department's Force review process and the different steps that they go through and part of the our scope of work in the independent police auditor office and part of our responsibility as far as our audit project is concerned is to be looking at a sampling of those uses of force kind of qualitatively as opposed to quantitatively less about the statistics than in in terms of assessing the the strengths and maybe limitations of the boards excuse me of the Department's review process all of these events are are significant in their own way in terms of the exercise of police power

and so the the thoroughness with which the department looks at this stuff and and not you know obviously tries to answer the policy question of whether the officer's actions were consistent with the policy and training but going beyond that to say hey are there any other insights we can get from any other aspects of this encounter that are deserving of addition additional managerial attention that is absolutely one of the things that that we Advocate uh in with all the different agencies that we work with and and we focused on it quite a bit in our first report last year and we are underway now thanks to the department providing us we we took a random sampling of last year's uh for horse events we have about 40 different incidents that we're going to be taking a look at with regard to the body warn camera uh the police reports and some of the the underlying information but then also uh looking at what the Department's response was how the department evaluated those and and what their findings and any recommendations would be so hopefully that will continue to contribute to this conversation and then just very briefly uh there was another mention of of the rip up statistics and the rip of data and and some of the the difficulties that agencies have had wrapping their arms around on that and trying to figure out um how that data can be most instructive one of the things that that um hopefully is is some added value from from our office my colleagues and and myself with o group is that we do this kind of work in a lot of different jurisdictions and so we have some bases of comparison at times and I just wanted to let you know I was in touch uh with a representative from paloalto earlier this week that is an agency that that we have worked closely with uh in terms of auditing and and review of their processes for a number of years now and they actually engaged

in one of the academic studies that that has been discussed here as a as a potential option and a way to go forward they they um decided to hire an academic group from the the Midwest to to do a full-blown statistical analysis data analysis and as the the chief was saying earlier and has mentioned it in in this body before that it's a big investment they they invested a lot of money and it has taken them well over a year to to um get to where they're at right now but my understanding is that that within the next couple of months they're going to be sharing their findings and recommendations with with the city and and obviously the police department itself so I'm really looking forward to that uh in terms of any insights it can give us I mean these are are professional academics who really are doing the quantitative analysis and trying to find some some um useful meaning and some takeaways from the statistics that can be kind of overwhelming so I will certainly be watching that as it as it happens in the next couple of months and and we'll be happy to report back to you if there are any insights that might be relevant to to Modesto trying to get a better handle on this information as well so that's all I have for tonight but of course happy to answer any questions and looking forward to seeing every body next month thank you Stephen um are there any questions from the board yeah Nico I have one okay um Stephen um when you um engage with the folks in paloalto uh once they have the report in their hands and um have time to analyze it and and determine whether or not um I guess the term I would use is if it was a value to them if they thought they got a return on their investment um as you as you mentioned you know it's a

substantial amount of money to have one of these uh analysis done and a study done um and so um you know obviously if if that were the direction that we recommended here obviously the city council would have to approve that and and budget for it and that sort of thing but uh I would be interested to know from their perspective if they thought they received value on their investment absolutely I appreciate the question and and yet believe me the city council will be will be asking that same question uh with with a great deal of interest and I know the department has worked closely with them along the way in terms of providing data for them and answering the questions that have come up and and I think the department is very amable to any insights that might uh help address some of the disparities or provide insights into how things could be done differently or better so yeah very much looking forward to that and I appreciate your question and we'll we'll focus on that whole value added component to it thank you I'd be be very interested too in seeing the outcome of that Palo Alto um but I think that uh for the City of Modesto uh for us to spend a 100,000 or whatever on a study to tell us stuff that we already know I think um I'd rather see a roller skating R being built for kids then to take a year to study something know yeah so if we have money I think we need to invest it in youth they love skating skating is good are there any other questions from the board all righty is there any questions from the public for Stephen all right seeing none um One Last Time Any Further comments from the board all right um moving on to board comments and

reports U policy goal number eight review use of force policy to minimize likelihood of death resulting from use of force are there any announcements or reports we don't have anything to read thank you uh policy goal number one improve relations between the community and the department I actually think each of us have uh something to share um mine's super short um I have accepted an invitation to go through the next cohort of cultural relations um program with Mr Baldwin um and he asked if I was able to help encourage a few other community members outside community members to join in so I uh cast a net to several um and I have four or five joining me a couple are coming from my board one from um adesto Junior College one is in Talent acquisition for uh Staffing um and the new uh CEO of the boys and girls club which leans into youth so I have a couple others that are likely so looking forward to having the experience I'll enjoy [Music] it okay I I I had a just an observation I I missed the uh meeting last December 9th and so I had to go online to find the video of the meeting I'm just going to say that it was it's a I I've showed a uh I was showed how to get there real quickly through Google but I did not Google I went to the city of Modesta website and it's kind of a a layered to find uh to find our board and then to find the video I found the minutes minutes are are really available all the way back to 2023 but the video is only the single video of December meeting I found it it's it's just not that obvious but when I hear like a members of the community tonight say they'd like to see or know

more about the arbitration nonbinding versus binding arbitration and then we did discuss that at length one night there's no video there might be minutes which are probably truncated but there's no video and I don't know if that's going to be something so two things easier access on the website and uh more obvious access and then secondly um because it is community engagement it's but the other thing is the video the video archives M um so I can answer that um when you go to the cprb main page I know you're talking about the link off to the side so what I usually do is I post the most current video there but all of the videos from prior meetings they are available where the agendas live so when you go to the agenda Center there's um the agenda link and then there's a media so anytime there's a video link there'll be a little camera there that shows shows that there's a media link okay um the only reason you might not be seeing anything from prior years is now that we're in 2025 you're probably seeing Chan 2025 if you hover up I I don't remember the exact look of it but you can change the year and you should see all the videos and if it's missing I'll I'll double check tomorrow but they should all be up there is it me now yeah overall I think for us um to improve relation is to one have a website that's user friendly um but also um there has to be a way to connect us as a board to the community so that they know do they even know to go there that there's a community a civilian police review board um how are we getting the word out there um so that

we can get into relationship with our community and understand what they are feeling about our modestal police department and how we can be more effective to them that's going to be and be more transparent thank you and lastly uh policy goal number three reduce youth arrest particularly among Latino youth we don't have anything to report tonight but um the presentation on February the 19th with the um Jud judge Ruben bobos who works at juvenile hall on a daily basis with troubl teens he will be the guest presenter and we'll learn more then that'll be our report thank you moving on to uh feuture agenda items there are none at the moment ah I do have one other thing to bring um we did Trish and I uh that committee and I came up with um some ideas for The Branding and the marketing to go to what um Leticia was talking about with us trying to um establish who we are and what we do and a relationship with the community we're requesting for a 10 by10 tent with a custom tent that has um Community Police review board on each side of the um the top of it we're requesting a table and a custom uh T tablecloth uh we're requesting polo shirts a badge and um pamphlets that we can pass out and then we also uh want the police department to know that that whenever we're out we can also be a vehicle to get information out that the police department wants to put out to the

community um Scotty on that did you want to go into detail about what we kind of spoke about yeah so I was just going to say staff is in respon is in receipt of your email that you had sent earlier today and uh we'll probably need to get a little bit more information but we'll be reaching back out to you and your subcommittee so that we can iron out the details I've I've talked to the city manager about that and we just need um to understand fully the request so we'll be we'll be in touch with you thank you all righty and moving on from number seven here is the meeting is a jour so thank you guys the next meeting is February 19th at the king Kennedy Center at 5:30