Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay. Now we are.

All right. I will call to order this Thursday, August 27, 2026 meeting of the Moab City Planning Commission at 6.05 p.m. in attendance this evening. We have all five planning commissioners. I love saying that. Shaylee Holland, Robin Benson, myself, Kai Marienfeld, Jill Tatton, and Matt Hebert is joining us virtually this evening. We also have our city counselees on Myla Lofton joining us virtually as well, as well as city staff. It's just Caitlin, right? Okay. The spelling throws my brain. It's a very nice spelling. Caitlin Pointer, Johanna Blanco, Kelsey Garcia, and Corey Shurtleff here with us in Chambers. All right. Moving on to our first item on the agenda, citizens to be heard. I do not believe we received anything for citizens to be heard, nor is anyone here in chambers. So we shall move on. Next, approval of minutes from our last meeting, which was on August 13th. Anyone has had a chance to look those over? If there's any corrections or if you'd like to make a motion to approve them, if they look good. Motion to approve. All right. We have a motion to approve the minutes from our August 13th meeting from Robin. Is there a second?

I will second it.

All right. A second from Shaley. Any further discussion? All right. All in favor of approving our minutes from the August 13th meeting, please say aye.

Aye.

All right. Moving right along. Our first action item. This is consideration and possible approval of planning resolution 14-2026. Planning resolution approving the... It's actually Fallon is her last name. I was wondering... what that was why it said fuller i think that was just a typo probably um uh it's throughout the whole thing is a typo yeah oh it is i can see that i'm gonna assume i probably did that okay don't worry yep i was like it was on their application she lives across the street from me her name is fallon um it's okay a plenty resolution improving am i allowed to just make that correction cory for the record The name of the applicant of the item is incorrect in the agenda? Okay. The Fallon. Okay, cool. Just quick Scrivener's error. It should be Fallon Landscaping special exception request for property 1009 South Valley View Court, Moab, Utah for 532. This is our first action item, item 4.1. All right.

There we go. Cool.

All right. So yes, at 1009 South Valley View Court, we're looking for a landscaping specialist exception. The property resides in an R2 zone. And what this applicant is trying to do is add a single family home porch to their property. Background, the applicant submitted their submission on August 19, 2016, or 2026, excuse me. They are in the R2 zone, and they're currently in the building permit process to build a porch attached to their home in the backyard. We're asking to have an exception under 17-10-02-OA for its required landscaping due to the property's unique shape, specifically trying to look for an exception where 70% of the area contained within the front yard must be landscaped. So here's what the site plan is. This is the property on the bottom right-hand side. That's gonna be the side facing the street. So you can see it's a very narrow opening that provides access to the lot. And then in the backyard, there is in that red rectangle is the porch addition they're adding to the house. Right here is That's their landscaping plan. On the right side, you can kind of get a full idea of what the property looks like. The blue is the house, and then they have some landscaping elements they're adding. Again, 70% of the front yard needs to be landscaped, and that is not possible due to the concrete driveway taking up more than 70% of that area. So yes, kind of just said that, but looking for an exception for 17-10-020A. The reasoning behind us being able to ask for this exception is underneath 17-10-070D. It allows for exceptions when practical difficulties or unnecessary hardships exist. And due to the lot's unique size and shape, this would, we believe, permit that being an exception. And then here's the motion options.

We don't have the applicant online, but if you have any technical questions, we can take them.

I do have a question, Caitlin. You said something about these are the landscape improvements they're going to make, but I don't see.

Oh, yeah. I can flutter back here. So all of the stuff in this page, the next picture, Maybe on the backside.

Oh, it's on the backside. Right there.

So the applicant is making an effort to add landscaping to the property. They're adding trees. They have some garden boxes. They have some native plants on our approved landscaping list, but they're not able to meet the requirement of having 70% of their front yard have landscaping in it due to the fact that Their front property line is very skinny and the entire front yard. Yeah, it's a cul-de-sac. It's completely dominated by that driveway. Very skinny.

Is there any concern to neighbors being impacted because of us not making this exception?

They're providing their required street tree. So normally that's one of the ones that impacts the neighborhood most.

And they're

checking off all the other boxes of the required landscaping other than this minus the percentage and i'm assuming the whole all the neighbors are in the cul-de-sac so If they make any adjustments.

There's very little yard for everyone on the cul-de-sac.

Yeah. So anybody making adjustments will run into this problem in that particular street. I'm just wondering if we're going to have a neighbor go.

Their deck literally looks into my bathroom window. Yeah.

It's in their back patio. It looks, it would look. it's just like an awning basically that's being added it's already mostly constructed that's why i don't know if they have the building for me yet but it's mostly done just so you're aware that base says no yeah but what it's worth anyone can see if they drive by um uh but yeah it backs up to the the housing um development uh the old cinema property so yeah they're they're one of the houses where the backyard faces like the the gray kind of housing development that i guess initially colin fryer put in but now is it just right close i'm not sure like what the ownership of it but yeah so it would be it's like an awning on the situation And then there's an easement, which is like a walking path that goes past like behind some of those houses behind that development. And then there's a big detention pond, which is the drainage for the whole neighborhood. And it's actually a city named Tamed. even though we in the neighborhood sort of informally we've like done needed plantings and stuff and try to maintain the detention pond but we don't have a formal hoa so it's just up to good samaritans for which the property owner of this house is one who's out there like weeding and stuff too um yeah i'm excited to see that there's going to be a tree planted And that some of the non-natives are going to be taken care of because there's quite a lot on that lot. Nice.

So I have two questions, actually. So the elms, aren't elms considered non-natives? Correct.

They are.

They are removing those. Okay.

I see they're removing two and just putting one tree in. And then my other question was, currently as the property exists, it's not meeting that requirement, the 70% requirement. What prompted this was because they're doing a construction project.

So our landscaping code was tasked in the last couple of years. And it only applies to... current non-conforming properties when there's when essentially there's some sort of change that's being constantly so them going to pull a building permit triggers compliance with the new landscaping code essentially um correct yes i state that right okay please correct me um Yeah, I'm excited to see that, that, that there's some more intentional landscaping happening. Cause there's definitely in that whole area from the detention pond, kind of this property and some adjacent ones, there's definitely some like pretty gnarly weed situations happening. So that would be, I think, I think that would help us meet the intent of the landscaping code, which is having less invasive species, less bare dust, rock stuff that can blow or wash away. and less sort of heat islandy kind of stuff than having. some good native plantings or mulch which is great right and i see they're putting the monster rock down do you think there's and i'm just asking like if they're taking out two trees can they plant two instead of just one well they're taking out two elms that are growing that have just volunteered they're not they're like bush sized and they weren't there like a year ago they grow very very fast yeah so that's just my i'm familiar with the property so let me know if this is all just irrelevant information thank you yeah um but yeah um i i think it's great you know i think we we do a lot of landscaping exceptions and it's all about the spirit of it frankly in instances where it's a very like square peg round hole situation with a lot of properties and this is definitely one of them so and it's not like their property this was their driveway The size of the driveway, the size of the yard was contemplated by the developer, which was Hasu, when they built the homes. So it's not like this is unusual in the neighborhood. Every home with their layout has the same exact like little strip of non-driveway and then a driveway and then a garage. So it's not like they like I think there'd be more of an issue if they concreted over their front yard to make more parking space. But that's definitely not what happened here.

That helps give context. Everybody should drive by. Our neighborhood's very nice. We do live so close to each other.

Yeah.

Makes sense.

And they are with the power running the way that it is.

I'm trying to remember for consistency's sake, where we have given landscaping exceptions for a portion of the property, have we required them to sort of make that up on other areas of the property? Because this is a big lot and there is room for other landscaping would be my main question. I just want to make sure that we're being consistent with things we've done in the past, but I can't remember.

Yeah, I think our last exception for Biddle Lane, which was the same 70% exception, we did require them to provide it elsewhere on the property. That was, they were more designing into the issue, and this person is more coming to the issue. I don't know if we want to contemplate if you'd like to contemplate somebody designing while knowing the landscaping code and somebody who had designed prior to the landscaping code.

I don't know.

I don't think I was here for that one.

I'd also like to note that they were, with communication, having more intention with adding more globe mollos in their backyard and having planter boxes. They are showing intention on placing gravel in that native tree once they know what they're permitted to do.

All we can do tonight is either approve or deny it, correct? Can we make a suggestion or recommendation to staff? Because this would, I'm just curious, because I do.

Like with a slight modification?

Yeah, I just, I think because we've done that before and in keeping with the landscaping code, because it is like, frankly, it's a large dirt lot that's mostly dirt still. I don't want to like to overstep, but I do think having a substantially intentionally landscaped exterior of your property is the point of the landscaping ordinance.

Yes. So people are not required to landscape any area other than their front yard. Yeah. Totally. And I believe that in the last case, but Elaine, I think they were here to accept the amendment and say that sounds great to us. Unfortunately, the applicant isn't here today. Totally. If you were to make an amendment to this motion.

And this is in the backyard.

Sorry. It's kind of both is what's strange about this property. So if you're standing on the cul-de-sac, you can see into the backyard. So there's like the little side frontage and then it kind of wraps around. But because there's like a big open pathway right next to it, you can very clearly see like all the way to the back fence from the street.

guess like spending this level of money to do what they're doing i would probably be really shocked if they don't finish the whole thing i don't think like you go you know what i mean like people don't intentionally start landscaping of this level and building decks and pouring all very expensive concrete and then leave half of it to stay tumbleweeds and I mean, not that I've seen it done. I feel like once you start, you're going to do it. So it feels like it's good intention from all the pictures. It's like, oh, it's gravel. We're going to do some more flow follows. They have a retaining wall. Is the retaining wall in yet? Is that already there?

Yeah, it's there. It's like a little gabion basket wall thing.

Oh, that's what I was thinking.

That's what it looks like.

Yeah, I'd like to see a one-for-one tree replacement. That's just my personal opinion. We need the trees. We need the greenery. We need the moisture. You have where they're going to remove those elements you have on that area. I guess that's maybe to the back fence there or some designation front to back that could something Could be put there. I, I don't know how to go about it.

I don't know that that's hard. Yeah, it's hard by any means.

We can ask them lightly. We can certainly replace trees. Can you, I understand what you're saying, but Like, yeah, approval seems eminent for sure, but maybe with that modification, two trees, not just one. I don't know if we can do that.

That's one thing that we have to be really, I've been learning and digging and learning and is there, we don't get to vote with our feelings. We do, however, we are all vocal and can say, this is how we feel and then choose to approve it or deny it. And they can take our feelings into account if they want, or they don't have to. But I don't know that we have a ton of power. I will say, I don't think what Robin is saying is like a feelings thing.

I think that's grounded. I mean, code-wise. Yeah, like the logic of the code that we're talking about right now, which is that we are trying to have intentionally landscaped areas to prevent dust and desertification, water runoff issues, urban heat. like street trees that's why we require street trees is to shade and reduce and reduce heat um so i completely understand like in the context of the ordinance what saying what that intention is i think what we can certainly do is if we're substantially fine with this we can make a positive motion and then also it doesn't carry any weight other than like hey please trees but you can we can always say it would be really great to see another tree on your lot somewhere um i think i think that's certainly completely appropriate for us to say because like elms we frankly want to get rid of they they're they don't really provide much and they cause a lot of problems um but but yeah it is it is a substantial lot and i do think with like you said shaley the size of a project i think it's probably not onerous to maybe reevaluate kind of the overall layout and um i know they've got some nice like food garden stuff on the property and everything but i think yeah particularly that that frontage um but it is it's pretty it's pretty small i think it's it And it's weirdly angled, too, which is why they have the gabion retaining wall. So I do think that front area, I'm happy with and impressed that they're planning to put a desert bullet there, which I think is the right kind of tree for that property. Because it's very narrow and it's off camber. And it also, which is why they put the wall there, is very prone to erosion. Like, literally... I think probably if they hadn't put that part of their driveway would like start to crumble because it would be down cut so much. So it's not actually even that big of an area if I'm remembering it right. But yeah. So I think, you know, certainly the frontage, the street frontage landscaping requirement does not fit on this property. But if there's some other sort of suggestion or her plea to the applicant that we would like to make, we can certainly do that. And that sounds like maybe this is a great opportunity to add another tree. Remove two trees? Yeah. Two trees. Yeah.

Always go equal or positive. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Because we're going in the negative direction here as far as greenery. dirt abatement and all that. Absolutely.

Jill, any thoughts? No, I understand the frustration with the cul-de-sac because that's my frustration with my yard. Yeah, you know, you have to kind of be careful planting trees so close to the house. You really should have at least 20 feet from your house because they will get bigger. Roots will grow. I would say desert willow is a good one, though. It doesn't have the same concern. I just planted one in my yard. I love them, and it would be nice if we could get them to plant another tree a little further back. But I think we can reject that wish somehow. However, You know, for this, I think that the exception they're going for is really their front yard. And that's what we have to kind of stick with is what was the intent of the application for herself as much as I would plant 10 trees.

But that's me. Matt, any input?

It seems to me like... We should encourage them to, you know, do what they can. I understand that it's a little narrow in the front. Certain trees don't work. But like you mentioned, the desert willow is an awesome choice, as well as some other shrubbery.

Shrubbery, shrubbery.

Is that our official recommendation? Bring us a shrubbery? Bring us a shrubbery. All right. Thanks, everybody, for the discussion. Johanna for the info. Robin for the great questions. Shaylee for the input. Everybody. Yeah. It's really up to you all what you think we could do, but... Unfortunately, fortunately, we can't change anything about the application in front of us without the applicants go ahead. So it really can either be a denial with direction to send it back to the applicant and say, here's what we'd like to see, or approval of the motions on the table with some comments, basically. That's what I would call it.

I will make a motion to move that the city of Moab Planning Commission approve planning resolution number 14-2026, planning resolution approving the The Fallon. Thank you. Landscaping special exception request for property 1009 South Valley View Court, Moab, Utah 84532 with a plea for extra trees.

That works. We have a motion on the table from Shaylee with that Scrivener's error corrected as well. Is there a second? I'll go ahead and second that. I'm just flagging out. I do not have any financial or personal interest in this, but just because this is my neighbor and I feel like I have a lot of knowledge of the site, I'm going to just recuse myself from this book. Just by choice, not necessity. Okay. All right. Did we have a second? Okay. We have a motion from Shaley and a second from Jill. Is there any further discussion? All right. All those in favor of the motion on the table, please say aye.

Aye.

Okay. And I'm recusing. So the motion passes four with one recusal. All right. Thanks, everybody. All right, moving right along. Our next item, which is a public hearing and an action item, 5.1, consideration and possible recommendation of approval of a phase two development agreement for 57 West Cane Creek Boulevard, parcel 010010200 between Amasa Arroyo Apartments LLC and the City of Moab. Thank you.

A lot of zeros. I will, yes.

I will hear the summary and then open the public hearing.

Okay, we should bring snacks to share. We're once again talking about 57 West King Creek, the Amasa Project. We're getting pretty familiar with this one, but for our new... members. This is a LIHTC project which is moving in here on Cane Creek Boulevard.

And LIHTC stands for?

Low Income Housing Tax Credit. And they have come through with a development agreement for the whole project. They have come through for phase one and now we are on to phase two. D.A. stands for Development Agreement.

They are moving right along. I know.

So that original Development Agreement was approved by City Council in January, came back for Phase 1 Development Agreement in February. Now... phase two. We heard the concessions for the previous DAs. This one is a reduction of five feet from the 10 foot front setback concession in the whole project, the Omnibus Development Agreement. So, in this zone, the setback is 15 feet. The Omnibus DA reduced that to 10 feet. This agreement is reducing it to 5 feet. I'll go into the particulars about that in just a second. As similarly with the omnibus DA, we are taking along the waiver of active employment household requirements that are normally accustomed to the C3 zone with multi household use. So we're waiving that in exchange for this low income housing tax credit affordability.

They're more strict, correct?

More strict.

What's the term on my check again?

Sorry, the length? Is it 10 years? 50.

It's 50? It is that long?

Great. And we do have the applicant here. So if I get anything wrong, she can speak later. So in this phase, phase two, there are 38 units, eight of which are going to be new builds and then 30 units of rehabilitation. This is the breakdown of those unit types and the pricing schedule as well. Okay, so in the omnibus DA, it laid out that we would come back for each new phase and agree upon a new agreement for the lots in that phase. The difference between this and the omnibus DA is that we're dealing with different parties. We've added a section that takes the lots that are in the omnibus DA DA removed them and now they have a new agreement separate from the original agreement. And then again, that ask of the reduction of five feet from the front setbacks. Um, so after a recommendation today, the next step will be going to city council for final approval, uh, where this stands in their, their development timeline is, uh, a DA must be approved before their site plan for phase two can be approved. And then it has to, the DA has to be approved before the phase two platting can be recorded. And then we'll come back for phase three and that'll be the final phase in this process. Okay, so we've seen this map before. The stars are phase two. Phase one was the middle lots and the one half moon. And then phase three are the corner lots. So this agreement is just for the starred lots. This is the preliminary plan for how they envisioned the whole project was going to go. And here's where I'll stop and tell you a little bit about that setback so um most of what's happening in this phase the purple buildings is that rehabilitation the one new build is in this half moon they have a staircase that juts out right about here um so the setback would in the agreement is also specified that it is just for this specific lot. So not that that really applies to any of the other rehabilitation buildings in phase two, because they're not fronting on the front setback. But we specified that it's for this purpose. They're just going to build a staircase. And it helps out with their development to place it there.

So it's just that building and it's just the stairs, correct?

And the stairs will still be five feet away from the sidewalk?

They'll be five feet away from their property line. which is closer than the sidewalk. It's a distance away from the sidewalk. So here we can see this line.

The farther apart is the sidewalk from the stairs.

The phase one buildings are quite close. They're way close. Yeah, which was intentional, which was in order to distance more from the neighborhood behind it. but definitely when they went up i was like well it's supposed to be really big and not see around the corner anymore um but yeah okay but the trees are still there straight trees yeah still hanging on yeah sycamores and i think they actually have plans to add more if i remember oh yeah so i've talked yeah

Okay, and this is some housing analysis i'm excited to add this into every housing project that we bring now relating back to the 2023 housing portable housing plan. In those projections, we will need 260 new rental units by 2030 and 606 by 2040 so this project is going to as a whole. not this phase, as a whole is going to contribute 50 new build units and then up to 12 ownership units in phase three. And then if all the vested rental units that we have in our pipeline right now were to go on and fully develop, we would have 564 units. I'll put an asterisk on there. It's unlikely that they'll all make it to the finish line as development happens. Um, but as it currently stands, that's where we're at.

Um, so that's just grand County wide or just mob city.

This is the projections are County. Yeah. The numbers that I'm able to access our city. So this is us really doing a lot. Um, And then affordability-wise, by 2030, we'd need about 1,000, oh, 500 new units by 2030, 1,000 by 2040. And then this whole project is going to contribute 80 units to that. So it's a really exciting project for us.

Cool.

And that's the end of my presentation.

Phase three, ownership units. I don't think I realized that we were doing ownership. Right? It's the blue. They say to be determined. Yeah. So it's like little houses. Little tiny houses that say TBD. Little tiny houses. Cool. It's pretty exciting. That's like one of the, when we have all these housing issues, it's like one of the biggest things that used to drive in Cape Creek. I don't ever see like kids even playing in the grass. Like it's just there. Why are we using it?

That used to be the requirement with multifamily housing.

That was all required. They ground there a long time ago. Yeah.

Do we have to open the? Yes, I do. I will open. Thank you for the reminder. Open the public hearing on item 5.1 at 6.42 p.m.

I think we were ready to start discussing. The public hearing is not up. I know. That's not for us. We're all on the edges of our seats.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for explaining the setback. Cutting the setback in half was giving me a tiny bit of heartburn, even though I appreciate the spirit of moving closer to the road and farther from the adjacent neighborhood for the project, but that makes sense. And then the AEH, yeah, if we have stricter requirements than our AEH, I think that makes sense as well. I have no issues with this. This is a new film, right? They've been cranking. It's a little bit of both. What is phase two are the existing buildings. So they're essentially keeping the bones and basically refacing and revitalizing those. And what I appreciate about this project in particular is to not displace current residents. They just didn't renew a few enough leases that they had anticipated. empty buildings that they could move folks into while their units were getting redone. And then those folks have the ability to move back into those units if they'd like to.

So is this new one with the steps though? That is a new building.

That is a new building. So right now, basically the six buildings that are in a U shape on the outsides, those exist. Right. the ones in the middle exist now too those are actively being built they're actively existing and then they're adding essentially in front of the existing apartments that they're refacing they're adding another building which i think was going to be just like a clubhouse there's a clubhouse yeah they i think okay okay yeah so if this is a new build

Just trying to wrap my head around this. Why aren't they just building the building five feet further back? Is there something that's keeping them from moving the building back?

Yeah, like are there requirements in the parking spots?

Like there's not quite enough room. Right, that's what I'm just kind of wondering. Is there a parking requirement versus... Like, is there not enough space to move the building back by feet? There might not be. I'm just wondering.

These are parking stalls.

Mm-hmm. That are already there?

No.

They're new.

They're new, but they are required. Right. And there's probably... And these are parking. There's probably a requirement. So there's the existing parking stalls along the existing doors. These are already there, yeah. And then the ingress, egress. And then I would I would bet that in order to put the other parking on the other side of sort of the thoroughfare, there probably has a pretty narrow, probably narrow use of space when it's round and square.

Right. Is the other problem we're losing the five feet right there simply because the building's square and the parking lot is round.

I'd like to acknowledge that I have like the engineering plans kind of popped up and it's already kind of tight because of the curve.

Yeah.

And I just measured how far the sidewalk would be from the stairs and it looks like it's between 10 to 15 feet, looking closer to 15. So, yeah. yeah so yeah i have it popped up in the because of the angle and because the accommodation and you're coming down the stairs but yeah also there's the accommodation of the um ada um parking spots that they're doing a great job in providing space for as well so nice yeah okay so yeah i just wanted to understand yeah it was already pretty small

They are being pretty dang creative with the space available. Do you have any questions, Matt?

Matt, any questions or comments from you?

I guess my only comment would be If it's available for them to adjust the parking to be able to keep the setback. That's what I would recommend.

Yeah, makes sense. I will close the public hearing at 6.47pm because we did not receive any comments and there was no one here in chambers. We can continue discussion. We can make a motion as usual. Those are in the agenda summary. Or give direction to staff if we need more information. And this would be a positive recommendation. This is us. We are not the final authority on this.

I mean, I'm ready to move forward unless we really go for it. I motion to afford a positive recommendation of the approval of the phase two development agreement for 57 West King Creek Boulevard parcel. 01-0001-0200 between Amasa Arroyo Apartments LLC and the City of Moab, Utah, given that final language agreed upon by both parties will be presented to City Council for approval.

Okay, we have a motion on the table from Sherry. Is there a second? I'll go ahead and second that. All right. Second from Jill. I will note as well, once again, no need for recusal. And I do not plan to recuse, but that Shaley and I are both on the board of the Moab Area Community Land Trust, which is undergoing a development with the same developer for another half of this LIHTC project out at Arroyo Crossing. Again, there's no financial interest in that, but just noting that for the record that we have that. All right, any further discussion or questions?

Can I ask a question? Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, no, this is discussion time.

Okay, so the setback on the big red buildings, I can't, I don't remember what phase they are. Phase one. Right, so what is that setback? That's 10 feet. And we're going to cut that in half. So will this building sit when it moves out that five feet in the visibility for people exiting onto the street?

Yeah.

If you're coming out here, are you going to be able to see past that?

That's a good question.

I believe so. The stair... is about as big as the mouse.

Are the stairs concrete? Are they open metal?

Can you see through?

We can share what those plans are going to look like.

I think there's still significant visibility because you have this sidewalk I'm trying to think of how it is now with like the redo of concrete. 15 feet from the sidewalk still gives you a significant amount of space to be able to see that. Yeah, that's the thing because you've got like the nice sycamore trees then the sidewalk or is it flipped now? I can't remember. no i think you're right yeah it's trees there's sidewalk that is not sidewalk that is no longer super jacked up after the nice big white which is great because that was one of the worst sidewalks in moab prior to the king creek project um breeze sidewalk Still some area. Yeah, there's some decent... But the tree... The canopy of the trees... I'm not sure. The canopy of the trees is pretty significant, though, too.

So that, in and of itself, I feel like kind of... Visibility issues.

Well, no. I think it kind of...

It sort of visually limits where the building can go. Without taking down those amazing trees. Yeah. So...

Not that they couldn't if they're overhanging their property, but that's like another thing altogether. Or trim them. But there's still, I think, a pretty good... It's not like it's like the property line is the street. I think that would be a very different conversation. The property line still has a good amount of public easement before it hits the street. And then there is some new city landscape in there too, if I'm remembering right.

um there is i just did another really rough measurement oh very nice where the edge of the building is to the curb and gutter um it looks like it's between 25 so the stairs don't go this way towards the street they go yeah they go yeah it's basically like a switch the up like they were yeah facing into the street no it's like a it's like a almost like i don't know

Yeah, I'm way more thinking like a stairwell, just a little stairwell. But you said how much, Caitlin?

It looks like it's between 25 to 30 feet, plus where they pop out, it's kind of curved, so they're able to, in my personal opinion, be able to look around and see traffic that's oncoming. Plus, King Creek has those traffic calming features on it now as well.

That's more than you have at the library on Center Street right there looking out the window.

Oh, man, I get so mad at people driving so fast down Center Street.

Don't get me started.

My business is on it, so I get to watch.

Oh, yeah, you get to see all of it for sure. We'll be on 191 soon. Then you can yell at other people. Robin, did that answer address your concerns? It does. Mm-hmm. Okay, we can have further discussion, more questions if anyone has them. Otherwise, we do have a motion on the table in a second. If folks are ready, we can go ahead and take a vote. Okay, we have a motion on the table for a positive recommendation of the Phase 2 Development Agreement from Shelly. Excuse me, a second from Jill. All those in favor of the motion on the table, please say aye. Hi. Hi. All right. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you, everyone. Good discussion. Johanna, thanks for your expertise. uh all right moving along future agenda items yeah i want to know how we got so spoiled this week yes it's coming back knows that i would like to put my kid to bed tonight yeah he's just like just it's not over yet shaley all right all right thank you i'm really ready for my home but um Yeah, and sometimes meetings are extremely short. I think we've had a lot of workshops lately, which is good to be helpful to staff, but they can definitely go long.

I don't think since you've been here. Yeah, last meeting was the shortest, and we got 10 minutes early.

Yeah.

hey we're doing we're doing the we actually have stuff to do i think that said what to expect next time future agenda items okay so uh september 10th is our next regularly scheduled meeting the planning staff will be at a conference oh yeah um we are done

instituting a policy or not doing meetings from uh virtual from conferences anymore oh yeah that was too much um yeah too much we apparently cannot handle tech without you guys we tried really hard though so kelsey bless yeah do your best we were doing our very best um so the next regular meeting september 10th september 10th is campbell yeah oh we did oh okay i see one good okay yeah um she's gonna be gone yeah uh so my ask to you we've got a lot of items coming up yeah and perhaps one that is a little bit time sensitive okay So, and we do not have to answer right here. I'll send this out as an email. But I am perhaps looking to schedule a special meeting on the 17th. Also a Tuesday. Also a Thursday. Just the following Thursday. If that is not possible, we can pick it any day. Or we can just push everything to the next regularly scheduled meeting September 24. I will be following up shortly about how

urgent it is that we might schedule that special meeting um i can do the 17th wonderful so can i okay i put on that the 24th i'll be gone okay so i was gonna say that said i could we have a mega meeting on the 17th that just covers us for september probably i'd rather have if that works for more people perhaps all right so there's just a thought i would rather do that if

I'll stay here until then. Oh, Sherry. I'll be cranky the next day, but I'll stay.

September 17th is a possibility for me. It might be virtual. Okay.

And, to be clear, you are allowed to miss meetings. We just need to have a heads up. Okay, we all miss meetings.

I don't think I'm available on the 17th.

Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. So maybe let's just do a little drop-off via email or something.

So the items are vendor code, another DA, code amendment for fee updates for planning and engineering. Sidewalk, fee-in-lieu, code amendment discussion or approval. We'll see how quickly I get things done. And then a policy plan discussion or approval.

recommendation okay to council so a lot of yeah um sounds like maybe two meetings bring some red ones yeah okay so september 10th meeting is for sure canceled correct um rescheduling tbd via email okay great All right. Thank you, everyone. Good short meeting. Thank you, staff. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you also for sending the presentations ahead of time. That was really helpful. Yeah, thank you.

All right.