Zoning Board of Adjustment - Regular Meeting

Would you please, Danielle, please read the statement of adequate notice? In accordance with chapter 231 PL1 1975, the open public meetings act. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided as required specifying the time and location with such notice as being sent to the Aspbury Park Press in the Times of Trenton posted on the municipal public notice meeting bulletin board and filed with the township clerk. Okay. Thanks. Will everyone please stand and join us for a flag salute? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, thanks everybody. Danielle, please call the role. Chairman Newman, yes. Committeeman Ziner, yes.

Committeewoman Zabroski, yes. Mr. Copy, yes. Mr. Lamrose, yes. Miss SHA, yes. And Mr. Cypriano, yes. Mr. Mr. Cyprianiano will be seated for our vacancy seat and today we have absent Mr. Po, Mr. Pepe, and Mr. Parino. Okay. Thank you. And please confirm we have a quorum. We do have a quorum. We have seven members. Okay. Thank you. Uh this is an opportunity for any members of the public to comment on anything that's not otherwise scheduled for discussion on our agenda. Uh is there anyone? Seeing none, you turn around, McKenzie. There it's just you and Danielle.

Yeah. All right. Uh seeing none, we'll close the public comment portion and move on to our agenda. First is approval of the minutes from the January 16th reorganization meeting. Is there a motion to adopt the minutes? I do. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Thank you. Any comment or suggested revisions? Seeing none, please call the role. Danielle. Chairman Newman. Yes. Committ Zer. Yes. Committeewoman Zaskki. Yes. Mr. Copy. Yes. Miss Sinha. Yes. Mr. Cyprianiano. Yes. Thank you.

Okay. Thanks. Uh, next is memorialization of a resolution. Robert Horzepa, block 43, lot 11.01. Uh, would anyone like to make a motion to proceed with that resolution? Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Thanks. Uh, any discussion or suggested revisions? Seeing none, Danielle, please call the role. Chairman Newman, yes. Committ Ziner, yes. Committ Zoski, yes. Mr. Copy, yes. Minha, yes. Mr. Cypriano, yes. Motion approve six.

Okay, thanks everybody. Uh, next part of our agenda um is the master plan and uh reviewing the township's housing element and fair share plan. So, what I'd like to do is turn this over to our planner to McKinley uh or and with assistance from Mike to walk us through uh what we need to review and consider here.

Absolutely. I'll start. Um Mike, jump in, cut me off when you need to. Uh we're here tonight. First thing is to review the amendment to the town's fourth round housing element and fair share plan. Um, one of the very last things I did before I left you fine folks for six months was uh present the housing plan to you and and this board adopted it. And what that plan did back in June was to uh present mechanisms to meet the uh fourth round perspective need obligation of 98 units and a rehab a rehabilitation obligation of uh seven units. uh after that time you adopted it in a timely manner and it was uploaded to uh what we called the programs website and that's the the newly established process uh before we went through the court system. This is a different route uh that was updated I'm sorry uploaded the date by uh June 30th was the requirement. We met all of the deadlines we uh which kept the town safe from uh builder's remedy. What the Fair Housing Act though did allow for was for objectors to come forth between that June 30th deadline and the end of August and two did come forward for um Milstone. Uh Mike, before I really dive into this, was there anything else you wanted to read into the record about process or

I don't think so. I think it's pretty clean.

Okay, great. Um so the two uh objectors that we had were Fairshare Housing Center, which was to be expected. uh they objected to almost every plan in the state. Uh some of their objections for some towns were a little more robust than others. A lot of them were cleanup measures that they needed. Uh the so we had we had fair share housing center which we expected anyways and then a redeveloper called DEJ uh DEJ Incorporated. They are the same entity who is the the hexa project that that this board approved uh I don't even remember how many years ago now that has that's the inclusionary development that was part of our third round plan. Uh they had approached the town and asked to be included in the fourth round plan and we found other mechanisms which we discussed back in June to meet the obligation without them. Uh but they objected uh because they still want to be included in the plan. There were so that each of those entities pro uh submitted their objection end of August and then between August and the end of December there was significant back and forth. This is my understanding is I wasn't part of it uh between the township and the administration the uh objectors and with the township's housing attorney Jeff Serenian and the planner who took my place Fred Hire at the time. Uh I should say that we still do not have a final order from the judge with her decision. We expected it, according to to Jeff Serinian, we expected her order to be released the second week of January and she hasn't sent forth anything yet. Uh Jeff and I discussed and we decided that uh it made sense even though we didn't have her order yet to still move forward with all of the amendments that had been agreed upon to by the at the end of December. Uh because there is a looming March 15th deadline to have ordinances and amended housing plans adopted by. Uh so this way we are ensuring that the township stays protected, meets that deadline. If the

judge comes back with an order that uh changes what we've done here, we'll have to do some amendments. But uh we're we're hopeful that what we're doing tonight and what the the township committee is is doing with the ordinances uh that she will be okay with and and we'll be able to move forward with. Who's the judge? Grasser Jones. Grosser Jones. Yeah. Yeah. Um I think she was the judge in the third round also. Um Mr. Serenia has not been pleased with her during this process. In my experience, everything you're saying is very typical in every other town. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's just waiting because these judges don't seem to have deadlines.

Yes. And I should say, I mean, that's a good point. Milstone is not unique in this. There are a lot of towns that have not gotten the final orders from their judges. There's a lot of towns that don't have final settlement settlement agreements in place. Uh we also do not have a final settlement because we need that order from the judge first to make sure that she's okay with it uh before before moving on. So uh can I ask a question? Sure. So if the judge rules against the plan that has been submitted or differently, is there an appeals process? Uh that's a good question and I'm actually not sure the answer to that. This the pro this process is all so new. Um, all right. I don't know. Mike, have you a good enough answer, I guess.

Okay. I mean, I don't know if Mike you've experienced that in other or if you know. Um, not under the new regs. I have been involved. Yeah. From the But I would have to I would have to believe that there is some form of appeal. I would too. Yeah. That's how my company's looking at from the builder's perspective. When the judge issues the order, the appeal would come after that to the regular county judge. Yeah. Okay. And unfortunately, the thinking is the county judge will rubber stamp whatever the program judge did, right? Which means then you're up at the appellet division, which good luck doing that. So, whether you're the developer or the town, that would be

Yeah. This is this is a process that is definitely different than anything else.

Yeah. Because really what the program judge is doing is is essentially making a recommendation to the county judge. Um so as Mitch said, we I'll be shocked if any county judges rule against the program judges. So um so it sounds like yeah, we could there could be some appeals, but it it may or may not be worth it. Part of what we're waiting for her deci to decide is the proposals that we have that you are reviewing tonight in the amended housing plan involves uh totally 100% affordable developments, not inclusionary developments. And of course the DE andJ guys are arguing that our proposal for 100% affordable is not realistic and so they're they're a viable alternative. So uh there's and my understanding is there's some arguments about uh the the timing of when the projects would be developed and if after a certain period of time we don't have the 100% affordable projects in the ground then D and J would be allowed to intervene at a future date. And I think that's part of what we're waiting on the judge to decide on. That was before we secured all three properties.

Correct. Because that we the township finished securing the ownership of the three new properties after the hearing with the judge. She has been made aware of of that that the town now has that which I'll go into a little more detail in a second. We haven't heard from her though. So we're hoping that that is enough to to satisfy her. Um so on that it's a good segue into what we're actually looking at here. The June housing plan for the fourth round. So the third round just to reiterate we're not touching that's we are we are okay with all of our mechanisms from the third round. There's been no challenge to that. So the fourth round mechanisms and I think uh you have the memo that I sent through Danielle. Yes.

Great. Thank you for for distributing u there's a little chart at the bottom of that first page there and so what that details are the old proposal and the new proposal and the change of what that that means. So, the property that we call Shoul Lee, which has been in discussion since the third round, it actually was going to be a third round uh development, but we had to postpone it because we well, we didn't really need it for the third round, and funding was going to be delayed until the fourth round. So, that is uh family rental, 25 units, 24 bonus credits. That remains the same. Nobody has any concerns about that one. So, that is staying in our plan. The second one, which we're calling Allen House 3, um or Milstone Senior 3, is going to be the third iteration of our uh 10-unit senior developments that are on stage coach near the the municipal building. Uh Allen houses one and two are built and I believe Allen House 2 is occupied or close to being so

halfway.

Halfway. Okay. Yes. Which is great. Um and Allen House 3 will be constructed in the same pretty much the same design as the first two. The affordable housing alliance is going to uh move forward with that. The township has already transferred ownership of that property to the affordable housing alliance and they've already uh secured $300,000 of funding. So that's moving forward. Uh that's 10 units of senior and not changing. What is changing is the third site that was going to produce 40 affordable units uh 100% affordable on at 29 Red Valley Road. Um, at the time when we were writing the June plan, if you all remember, we were the the the timeline to write these plans was very truncated and every municipality in the state having to do this, there was very little time to get it done. And when we wrote the plan, the town did not have ownership of that site. We were simply in conversation with the owner who was looking to sell. And it seemed a viable site. It had enough acreage that was drier upland, not constrained by slopes. and we needed to include it uh even without having ownership because we were we were at time. Uh it was viable except at that is the site that uh fair share housing center and D&J challenged because the township did not have ownership of it and could not prove that the uh current owner was willing to sell in a reasonable time period. uh there there wasn't going to there wasn't going to be an agreement in a time that was that was acceptable to the court to their share to the objector. So to the town's credit I mean you guys you turned around and the committee with the help of the administrators and and I know Danielle was very helpful with this and Matt and found three new properties uh to replace that one. Um they are two of the properties are adjacent to each other right on Mammoth Road at uh 478

and 480 Mammoth Road just north of the Jackson Premium Outlets up there. Uh the second one is 504 uh Eli is it Eli Harmony? Is that how you say that? Eli Harmony.

Eli Harmony Road. Um so those three sites were up for sale and the township moved quickly to purchase them. a resolution was passed to say that if they weren't going to be able to purchase, then they would pursue condemnation to ensure that ownership was going to be within the township because ownership was the big issue that the objectors had. Uh very I don't know if it was right at December or right after December, but the the properties on Mammoth Road uh initiated the contract. They accepted the bid from the township based on appraisals and and that started to move forward. Uh Eli Harmony delayed a little bit. It was unclear if whether or not the township was going to have to pursue condemnation. Ultimately, they accepted the offer from the township uh to to purchase. And as as Jeff previously said, those properties are all now, if they're if they aren't already township ownership, I think Eli Harmony is maybe just going through some of the final pieces, but it's a done deal.

It's in the process of closing.

It's in the Yeah, there's there's a contract, right? Yeah. So, ownership again being the big issue, the township now has three new properties under under their purview. Uh parallel to this tract, they were speaking with a developer who we call novel and that's what we've referred to them in in the new plan. Uh they're uh run by a man named Luchiano Rooney who does affordable developments all over the state. I've worked with him and seen him in many many other towns. uh his his real talent is securing uh and bringing together multiple sources of funding to get these projects funded because that is the hardest part of 100% affordable development. These are not money makers. So, they have to be funded uh usually by grants or HUD funds or uh state trust funds, federal trust funds. There's there's all sorts of of different finance avenues that can be pursued and that's his specialty. So, he's he has a pretty good track record for getting these funded. So we worked the township worked with him in a parallel track to make sure that he could put the units on these sites that they were viable sites. Um you'll notice here though that we have 10 so the the 29 Red Valley Road that project that we needed to replace was 40 units. We are uh proposing 50 units on the novel sites and the reason for the additional 10 units is because fair share also questioned our third round mechanism uh which is the accessory apartment program. We've adopted, the township adopted an ordinance in the third round to allow for accessory apartments on residential properties throughout the township. Uh, nobody has taken advantage of that. Um, I've seen those programs be successful in certain places, but it is asking a lot of residents cuz even though they get a stipen to put these units on their property, they're having a stranger will be moving in onto their onto their site. So, it's understandable that it has not been very popular. We're not getting rid of that program. It's still available if

anybody wants to take advantage of it. But uh it was important to replace those units so that the town's third round did not become vulnerable. And so the two again these two sites on Eli Harmony and Mammoth Road will be producing between them 50 total units. So covers our 40 unit deficit from the 29 Red Valley that we lost and the potential 10-unit deficit from the accessory apartment program. Uh so we we meet our fourth round credits and uh again have the 10 extra uh in case the accessory apartment program continues to not produce units. Uh so what the amendment does is essentially it replaces the pages within the housing plan that referred to 29 Red Valley and now refers to these two additional units. Uh we also go through all the statutory requirements for proving that the sites are available, suitable, developable and uh what's the fourth one? There's a fourth one. Uh but that they are available for development and that they can be developed in a timely manner.

Approvable. Pro approvable. Can you say that one? I don't remember. I don't remember. But anyways, there's four prongs that you have to meet. We've met them. Um and also again, we have to confirm that they are viable for development. So Luciano put together uh budgets for us to show that this is where he intends to get the funding from. and he put together timelines for us that shows on both these sites, Eli Harmony and Mammoth Road, he should be able to break ground within a 24-month time frame from the adoption of of this plan. And that is the requirement under uh the the uh statute. Statute. Thank you. Yeah.

Uh so again, the maps that are attached to this memo are aerials that are these are these are pages directly from the housing plan, which I apologize looking at this now. I realize is confusing because it looks like it jumps from page two to page eight, but uh these are the the aerials of the sites that that we're talking about. Um and that's that's that's a change to the housing plan. So it's again in direct response to the uh objections that the township received and what we believe was a appropriate negotiation with them and came to this resolution. any questions on those sites or how we how we got here or why we got here.

So, with that, do you does is Fairshare Housing no longer objecting or or are they on board with this? We haven't heard um from them. Uh they're again their big issue is ownership and the ability to break ground within two years. Um assuming you know with Luchiano he put together his proposal for getting funding through the different cycles. Uh we have submitted it through here. This this has been out. Haven't heard a word from them. Okay. So we you know I'm I know they're very busy. I I assume we will hear from them, but they certainly haven't they haven't responded negatively, I'll say. So good.

So that's that's it's good for now. It's a good good sign. Um and they just want they want the projects to be viable. I'm confident that what we have proposed here and shown here proves that they are viable. So, um, do we need to open this up to the public and then Yes. Yes. Your expectation is a motion from the board to approve. Okay. To adopt. Yes. So, this what this what you would be your motion would be to adopt this amendment to the housing element fair share plan and and uh it becomes part of the the the broader housing plan because nothing else in that housing plan has changed.

Okay. So, uh, with that, we'll open it up to any members of the public that would like to ask any questions or comment on the pending amendment to the housing element and fair share plan. Seeing none, we'll close the public comment portion. Uh, and Mike, is there anything else we need to do from a legal perspective or just proceed to a motion? Just proceed to a motion and second and uh the there is a resolution prepared so that you can take action to adopt and uh memorialize the resolution in in one shot. Okay. Can we do that do that with one motion? Yes.

Okay. All right. Then I'd like to proceed with a motion to adopt the amendment to the housing element and fair share plan as outlined by our planner this evening. And uh also at the same time, my motion would include adopting the resolution that's been distributed to the board to effectuate the amendments that we talked about this evening. Is there a second? Call second. Okay. Thank you. Any comments? Okay, seeing none, Danielle, please call the role. Chairman Newman, yes. Committee Ziner, yes. Committee woman, yes. Mr. Coffee, yes. Mr. Lamrose, yes. Miss Sinhoff, yes. And Mr. Sabriano, yes. Motion approve. Thanks. Goes without saying thank you. Well done. Sure.

Appreciate that a lot. A lot of great work there. And uh I was remiss in saying welcome back. Thank you. You were missed. I missed you guys. Yeah. And and we kept hearing you can't really call her. You can't talk to her. Really? I know. I know. I got that a lot. Apparently, um as an aside, we work with fair share all over the state. And I was talking with one woman named Ariela who works for them and we hadn't met actually. And so when I introduced myself, she said, "Oh, you're McKinley Mertz." She's like, "I've been dealing with the McKinley Mertz problem in Mammoth County for 4 months now." And I was I asked her what that meant. She said all these Mammoth County towns that who had lost me had lost their planner and didn't know what to do.

Right. Right. So that's it. Apparently, our esteemed zoning board attorney really went to bat for me in front of one of the program judges. So, good. Good. All right. So, next up on our agenda are is a consistency report and uh there's three of them. Mike, are we taking them separate or together?

We should take them separately. The first one relates to basically is implementing the new amendment for the uh Eli Harmony Road property and the Mammoth Road properties and basically putting them into the into the ordinance and setting forth the standards for that. The second one is standards for the NC zone that we're making some changes to. And the third is simply a replacement of your entire article 8 on affordable housing to bring it up to speed with current fair housing act and uniform uh housing affordability controls regulations. Okay. So, but you should take them one at a time. Uh the first one being uh the 504 Eli Harmony and 478 to 480 Mammoth Road. I've provided a a consistency report indicating the entitle the title of the ordinance uh for this ordinance. The first one 2603 as it states in here the purpose is to amend various sections of chapter 35 land use development regulations section 5 zoning district regulations to establish zoning standards for municipally sponsored housing element and fair share plan properties. And that's precisely what uh this is about. You've just adopted the amendment to the housing element fair share plan and this is absolutely consistent with it. Okay.

As it implements it. All right. Thank you, McKinley. Anything else to add in our consideration of ordinance 26-03.

Just to call out that what it's doing is it's amending in the R130. So, uh municipally sponsored affordable housing is permitted in every zone in the township already. There are bulk standards that have been developed as part of the third round for for the R130. We are adding bulk standards to be specific to the uh tracks on uh Eli Harmony Road that's in the 130 uh because it is a triangularly shaped lot and there are some very particular situations that we wanted to make sure we addressed because it has so much frontage. Um we are also adding the highway commercial zone. Again, the use is permitted, but there weren't bulk standards in the highway commercial zone for municipally sponsored affordable housing. So, we are adding new ones to that. That's a whole new section. Uh, so that's what this one that's what this one does.

Okay. Thanks. Um, then I'm going to move ahead to a motion unless anyone had any further discussion or questions. Oh, do we need to open these up to the public? I think we can just place on the record that there is no public present. Jeez, you're no fun. Well, you don't need me then. If my whole job is to open it up to the public. Mr. Chairman, if I may ask a quick question, will there be and I may have overlooked it when I was looking at this. Will there be an amendment to the zoning map to show these overlays or as overlays? Yes, we we will prepare one um we will prepare will it be as part of the master plan that we're working on or separate?

What would you We'll work that out. But yeah, we'll prepare it if if we need one sooner than later. We're happy to put one together with with the help of Matt's office. Um, and just so you know, Danielle, your bulk chart is included in the update on this. So, you'll get that, too. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Uh, with that, I'd like to make a motion to uh confirm that uh we're adopting the consistent consistency report to identify that ordinance 26-3 is consistent with our master plan. Is there a second? Okay. Thank you. Any questions or discussion? Seeing none, Danielle, please call the role. Chairman Newman, yes. Committeeman Ziner, yes. Committ Zowski, yes. Mr. Coffee, yes. Mr. Lose, yes. Miss SHA, yes. Mr. Sriano,

yes. Motion approved. Seven. Thanks, Mike. Would you also give us an overview of ordinance 26-04? It's really the same same situation where the ordinance consistency report has been prepared. is before you. And the purpose of the amendment is to amend sections of chapter 35 once again land east development regulations section five zoning district to establish zoning standards for the municipally sponsored affordable housing and implement the provisions of the round four housing element fair share plan. Okay, thank you McKenney. Anything further on that?

Uh this is specifically to ensure the development of Allen House 3 in the NC zone. Once again, the NC zone never had uh bulk standards for municipally sponsored projects. Uh the Allen House 3 zone is going to have some particulars associated with it because the county is claiming part of their frontage for a roundabout at that intersection. So, we wanted to make sure we accommodated that in the zoning. Okay.

So, the only question I have is is the setbacks and side um measurements good enough? they were taken from the uh what we have for the R130s uh affordable housing setbacks. So, they should be consistent with what we're seeing for the other the other developments. Uh we had to minimize the setback to the circle itself just because that took away a big chunk of the of the land. But I think the way they're going to be able to do it is get the um storm water management in the front. So, the setbacks to the residences though should be consistent with what we're seeing elsewhere. Okay. if that's your question. Yeah. I'm just saying are they adequate enough like do we need smaller setbacks

to fit the building on the weird angle that it's going to be? So I worked with uh with Chris Puglesy of the Affordable Housing Alliance. They put together a rough sketch and they're confident with these. Um I I told them if you know once they get to the engineering sketches if they have problems and they need to seek a small variance from the board that it it shouldn't be a problem since you know we we were tight on the timing here. Um but they were confident in what we had. Okay. Okay. So, these setbacks are like minimums and they could always come in for a variance if they need a variance because they're plant. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Then I would proceed with a motion to find that ordinance 26-04 as we've discussed is consistent with our master plan. Is there a second?

Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Danielle, please call the role. Chairman Newman. Yes. Committee Zer. Yes. Committee woman. Yes. Mr. Coffee. Yes. Mr. Lamrose. Yes. Miss Inha. Yes. And Mr. Sopriano. Yes. Thank you.

Okay. Uh Mike, so once again, I know you gave us a quick overview, but if you just go through that again for 2605. Yeah. Well, this is a more comprehensive basically completely repealing and replacing article 8 40 article 8 affordable housing. And it's basically just bring it current because you've had changes in the Fair Housing Act and in the U-Hack regulations and this is to bring them current so that they're in compliance with the current codes. Um, sorry to get a little granular, but so this takes into account the new U-Hack regulations, correct? Yes. And 599.

Okay. So, I just saw in my travels that there's uh I guess the DCA has proposed a model ordinance. That's what this is. Yes. So, we we took this and we took the DCA's model ordinance and there were specific parts in it that could be amended to be town specific. Uh especially for the like the development fee ordinance, which the town already has, of how how much you take for residential, uh how your collection process works. We kept that the same as the township has always done, just put it in the new format. But this is this is the template from the DCA amended to be millstone specific.

Okay. So, I'm looking at it from I I didn't look at this in particular, but I looked at the model ordinance and I noticed it had a couple sentences that were not consistent with the UAC regulations themselves and I was Do Do you happen to remember which ones? Yeah. I don't know if it applies here. It's the occupate um occupancy standards. Um like how many people can fit in a room? No, no, no. That that they use the word occupancy standards in a weird way. It's how you have to distribute affordables versus market rate when you have a mixed community. They did amend that in the impact. So that is different from the third round.

No, I know. But then they took another swipe at it in the model ordinance, which in my selfish opinion goes another step further. We only have one development that's Yeah, that's right. Right. So it probably doesn't apply here. So I'm looking at uh page 29, McKinley 30-10. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So, this does not include the stuff that I would be personally concerned about. Okay. Obviously, cuz it doesn't apply here.

Yeah. I I what? And I don't know if maybe if that was an an optional language that they put in. I tried to take out any of that that wasn't relevant for for us here. Yeah. Okay. All right. Nothing nothing to worry about. The only other thing I' I'd add is at the very So, like Mike said, this is the boiler plate. We did this in the third round. We had to There was a sort of a template out then that we used. We're doing that again. But at the end of this on page 52, by the way, I'm assuming you all read all 53 pages of this, right? So, you got that. Jeff only got up to 52.

We did have to amend one section of the zoning ordinance that has to do with the accessory apartment program. E again, even though no one has taken advantage of it yet, we still have to keep it up to date with the current standards. And there were new a new definition for accessory apartment and a new requirement that you cannot limit the number of bedrooms in accessory apartments, which we had previously done. We limited it to one bedroom. Um, so we replaced the definition, we replaced the bedroom requirement, and then we replaced all references to COA. So that's that is in the zoning uh chapter rather than uh or that is in sorry chapter 35 rather than the other section. It's the only one that has to do with specifically zoning here.

Okay. Uh all right. Uh I'm I'm good. Great. All right. Thanks. If I have any more questions, I'll I'll call you. Please. Yeah. Actually, I now I want to go back and look at the model ordinance and see what that Yeah. I Okay, I I if I pulled out my phone, I could give you the but I don't want to. Everyone else would be bored to tears. Fine. All right. So, um with that, I'd make a motion to confirm that ordinance 26-05 is consistent with our master plan. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Oh, two seconds. That's You got a four on that one, Daniel. All right. Any questions or further discussion? Seeing none, please call the role. Chairman Newman, yes. Committeeman Ziner, yes.

Committee woman, yes. Mr. Coffee, yes. Mr. Lamrose, yes. Miss Senhoff, yes. And Mr. Sabriano, yes. Motion approved. Okay. Thanks. Uh Danielle, I don't see anything else uh regarding application or business or other discussion. Is that correct or good? Okay. Uh just confirm when's our next meeting. It is the 11th of March 11th. March. Can I just ask a question quick question before we address? Of course. Yeah. Um when are we scheduled to start the review of the master plan? I can give an update.

Uh we had our first subcommittee meeting two Fridays ago and we will have our second one in two days. Um, we were hoping Mitch was not able to be at that one, but we were hoping to work on a time for the public open house where we invite the public in to uh voice their opinions about the master plan, the v their vision for the future of the township. We were targeting maybe the depending on the planning board's agenda, maybe the April meeting for that. Um we really last time at the subcommittee we we sort of laid the groundwork about what it is we're doing and and what we hope to to pursue moving forward. Um so we will continue to provide updates. We're going to start with uh sending out letters with uh questions to other various stakeholder groups, the environmental commission, shade tree commission, etc. with with uh questions for them about what you know specific things to their mission and their causes and then their broader vision for for Milstone from their eyes. Um anything else, Steve, that or or Anthony, you were there, too. No, I mean there might have been more, but you know, I'm not I'm not in the meeting right now. So,

yeah, my head's not there. So, but you know, look, I'm I'm glad we're doing it. I'm honored to be a part of the review committee and I think we have some good members and we encourage everybody here to be a part of it and um and as many people in the public and all the boards, councils and commissions to be infranchised into it so that we can get comprehensive review completed and okay and attention. Two two follow-up questions. Mhm. Um you and I spoke I guess almost a year ago. um what we able to do to expand wetland buffers and setbacks against wet beds. Yes. Yeah.

Wondering if that was in consideration of the revised master plan.

So the answer is yes. I mean we haven't we haven't gotten to the point of specific recommendations yet. It's partly what we hope to do with the outreach to the stakeholders and the public meeting. The reason why we wanted the public meeting to be held during a planning board meeting was so that the rest of the planning board members could could chime in on some specific causes. Uh so absolutely still in play. I remember there there was some and I have to go back and look at my notes. There was some issues with D. Not issues, but I should say they already had some regulations in play that uh covered some of our concerns. Uh right, not all of them. So we we want to go back and hone that in a little bit, but yeah. So yeah, still in place. basically tighten that up and see what we can do to expand it, right?

Because we're environmentally sensitive. Yes. And what's and I think that's one of the big missions we hope to accomplish with the re-exam is is refocusing on environmental conservation. Um so yes, so keep I have that in my notes, but you keep that in mind and make sure to bring it up when we have our public meeting. Okay. And second question is when do you anticipate a rough draft for us to review?

So it's a good question. I will come back with a more specific answer after the next subcommittee meeting. But once we have the open house, I hope to hone in more because that's the open house is going to help shape the recommended goals and objectives, the recommended changes to the other master plan elements and then some of the specific recommendations. If you remember, we're doing a re-exam and a land use element. And the land use element is going to have the really specific recommendations for zone changes. Um, and I, you know, I have a list with Danielle going from our experience with both boards and we hope to expand on that with the help of a public meeting. So, once we get that under our belt and take care of uh, you know, analyze the responses from that. Also, we're going to do a digital survey out to the rest of the community who can't come to the meeting. So once we are able to take in all that, uh, I'd say we probably would need another two or three months to get a really good solid draft down and then can present that to the board here for specific feedback.

So roughly Q3 then. Yeah, probably June, I'd say. Thank you. Oh, wait. Your meetings are at the beginning of the month. Let's say July to cut myself a little. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anything further than uh so for the public do the spouses of the people on this board can they be in the public commenting or not? Yes. Family members.

Yes. Yeah. The public's the public meeting will be for everybody. Um part of the reason we wanted to do it at a planning board meeting was because it'll already be noticed as a planning board meeting. So you all can all be there without concern of quorum at a nonplanning board meeting. So your your families can come, your friends can come, anybody related to you. There's Yeah, there's no and Mike telling me if I'm wrong, but no conflict of interest with that, right? And we hope they do. Yeah. And you know, we we also talked about we hope like we'll reach out to environmental commission, etc., but we do hope that some members come to the public. So, when would you be reaching out because I can tell them, you know, to make sure that there more people are at that meeting,

right? Well, we I'm going to be sending a draft list of questions to the subcommittee tomorrow. We're going to review them at our meeting on Friday. We'll firm that up and I'll work with Danielle to to get it distributed. I don't know when everyone's meeting schedule is, but I would hope maybe by your next meeting you'll have the the questions that you can review and Okay. Give us responses. Thanks. Okay. Uh, thanks everybody. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. How about a second? There we go. All in favor say I. I. We are ajourned. Thank you everybody. Thank you all. Thank you. All right. So, McKinley, I found you. I care as he