Township Committee - Regular Meeting

The general regular meeting at 8, 10 p.m. If everybody could stand up. We're going to do a flag salute and then a moment of silence, please. Mrs. Farrell, would you like to start us off on the Pledge of Allegiance? You got to start us. Thank you, everybody. You may be seated.

Kathleen, could you read the statement, please? Sure. All attendees or participants agreed to conduct themselves in a manner appropriate for public gathering. Individual speakers should be advised that no right of privacy protects a person's public comments made in a public forum. Accordingly, all participants bear responsibility for their own statements and commentary. Ordinances. Second reading. Ordinance 26-17. An ordinance amending Chapter 5 fees, Section 5-2, Fees for Chapter 2 Administration, Paragraph C, Recreation Registration of the Revised General Ordinances of the Township of Millstone, County of Monmouth, and State of New Jersey.

explanatory statement this is what this amends the recreation registration fees contained in chapter 5 section 5-2 paragraph C of the revised general ordinances of the township of Millstone affidavit of publication is presented I like to open up to the public at 811 thank you being that there's nobody here from the public that would like to ask any questions like to close it 8-11. Thank you. Do I have a motion to adopt the table?

I'll make the motion to adopt.

Thank you. Second, please.

I'll second.

Any committee discussion?

Okay.

Roll call. Deputy Mayor Morris?

Yes.

Committee Person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee Person Davis? Yes. Mayor Farrell?

Yes.

First reading, ordinance 26-18, ordinance accepting conservation easement for a portion of block 16, lot 9.07, located at 1100 Wright Drive.

Explanatory statement. This ordinance accepts a conservation easement for a portion of block 16, lot 9.07. Motion to adopt the table, please.

I'll make the motion to adopt.

Thank you. Second?

I'll second. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Morris. Yes. Committee Person Zabrowski. Yes. Committee Person Davis.

Yes.

And Mayor Farrell. Yes. Second reading and public hearing to be held on September 16th, 2026 at 8 p.m. at the Millstone Township Meeting Room, 215 Millstone Road, Provineville, New Jersey. First reading, Ordinance 26-19. An ordinance amending Chapter 5 fees, Section 14, fees for Chapter 14, building and housing subsection 14.3 state uniform construction code fees building and housing and section 5-35 fees for applications and procedures pursuant to land use and development regulations of the township of millstone and creating section 14 fees for chapter 14 building and housing subsection 14.4, non-UCC building and housing fees of the revised general ordinances of the Township of Millstone, County of Monmouth, and State of New Jersey.

Thank you. Explanatory statement. This ordinance amends Chapter 5-14 fees for buildings and housing Subsection 5-14.3, State Uniform Construction Code Fees, Building and Housing, and Section 5-35, Fees for Application and Procedures Pursuant to Land Use and Development Regulations of the Township of Millstone, and creates Chapter 5, Section 14.4, Non-UCC Building and Housing Fees, as per state regulations, and provides the fees to be applied for permits obtained under Chapter 14, Buildings and Housing. Motion to adopt the table, please. I'll make the motion to adopt. Thank you. Second?

I'll second. Thank you. Roll call. Deputy Mayor Morris? Yes. Committee Person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee Person Davis?

Yes.

Mayor Farah?

Yes.

Second reading and public hearing to be held on September 16th at 8 p.m. at the Millstone Township Meeting Room, 215 Millstone Road, Lyonville, New Jersey. Resolutions, consent resolutions, all matter listed under item consent agenda are considered routine by the Township Committee and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion on these items. If discussion is desired of any item, that item will be considered separately. 26-175, payment of vouchers, September 2nd, 2026. 26-176. Resolution directing tax collector to cancel real estate taxes listed on Schedule A and B. 26-177, resolution amending resolution 26-172, appointing deputy tax assessor for the Township of Millstone. 26-178, resolution appointing members to the Open Space Preservation Council. 26-179, resolution awarding contract for property inspection services to Realty Data Systems, LLC. 26-180, resolution authorizing execution of a developer's agreement for 1100 Wright Drive Group, LLC, block 16, lot 9.07, site plan number PB2502. 26-181, resolution increasing contract amount for conflict tax appeal counsel 26-182, Resolution Increasing Contract Amount for the Special Counsel for the Mount Laurel Proceedings for the Calendar Year 2026. Thank you.

Motion to adopt the table, please.

I'll make the motion to adopt.

Thank you. Second?

I'll second.

Thank you. Call the call, please.

Committee Person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee Person Davis?

Yes.

Deputy Mayor Morris? Yes. And Mayor Farrell? Yes. Township committee minutes. The regular meeting minutes for August 19th. We're going to have to table both of these because I won't have really the required vote since you two are out and Jeff is not here.

Okay. So we will table to the 16th.

Correct. But we still have to do a motion to table.

Yep. I'll make the motion to table. I'll second it.

Okay. Okay. Committee person Davis. yes deputy mayor morris yes committee person zabrowski yes and mayor farah yes and the executive meeting minutes august 19 2026. i'll make the motion table i'll second it okay i'm going to do roll call committee person davis yes deputy mayor morris yes committee person zabrowski yes and mayor farah yes okay so both those meeting minutes are tabled to september 16th township committee meeting Applications for a bingo slash raffle licenses. Millstone X Lodge, BPOE number 2613, BA number 359, bingo raffle to be held on October 23, 2026, November 13, 2026, January 22, 2027, and February 19, 2027 at the Elks Lodge, 22 Burn Tavern Road, Millstone Township. Motion to approve the table.

I'll make the motion to approve.

Chair, are you a second? Yes, I'm a second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Standard Bread Retirement Foundation RA number 360 on-premise merchandise raffle to be held on October 25, 2026 at the Elks Lodge, 22 Bird Tavern Road, Millstone. Motion to approve the table. I'll make the motion to approve. Thank you. Second. I'll second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. All right. Standard Bread Retirement Foundation, RA number 361, on premise 5050 to be held on October 15th, 2026 at the Elks Lodge 22, Burn Tavern Road, Millstone.

Motion to approve a table? I'll make the motion to approve. Thank you. I'll second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Aye. liaison reports? Does everybody have anything? It's been pretty quiet.

So, beautiful day coming up. Sunday, September 20th. It's going to be our annual Millstone Day at 4 Red Valley Road, which is known as Millstone Park. Is this real? A mayor's pie-eating contest is going to be, according to this documentation, Mayor, if it's on the documentation, we're having a pie-eating contest and you're the mayor. Okay.

Potentially. Potentially.

There will be DJs, arts, crafts, inflatables, amusement rides. There will be a lot of representation from our local businesses and clubs, animal rides and petting zoo, food and dessert trucks. And, as always, we'll have our fire department and police displays. Again, that's Sunday, September 20th. Starts at 12 p.m., usually wraps up around, I mean, 12, yeah, noon, usually wraps up around 5 o'clock, and that's at Millstone Park. So great day for the community, great day to be outside. Had great weather the last couple years, so hope to see everybody out there.

Thank you. No, it's pie eating this year. If we could get that to come together.

I was in the dunk tech last year. It was not pleasant.

No, it wasn't. So was I. Okay, any new business?

Kevin? I would say no, but let me go with, I mentioned last week or last meeting that Optima had come out and spent two hours driving around with our DPW and compiling a list. and they've already started on repairing some of them. Verizon had their crew, and out of the 85 or something like that, as of this morning, they had already checked out 57. This is the investigation part. So it's not that Verizon actually fixed 57, but they're marking it down, what needs to be done and how. And both of them, I know for a fact, anecdotally, that they have been fixing some of the stuff up. So it's improving. So in a few weeks, we're going to go back with the checklist and then call them out on what things that haven't been done.

Are they going to be removing decommissioned lines and cleaning up?

They're supposedly cleaning stuff up. It's a start. We're working on it.

business that's okay any any feedback from the school this school district regarding you know opening day and buses and children well we

They probably reported about seven different trees to us this week in different parts of town. I guess the bus drivers are running the routes in practice and getting self-prepared for it. And out of the seven that were reported this week, all seven have already been done. All right, perfect. Any enforcement actions? Talk about volleyball. So we've had some, residents in the Indian Path area of town that are complaining about trucks and speeding, etc. And last week alone, the state police had a couple different tours going out there, you know, Enhanced enforcement and I believe it was like 19 Violations were notified. I think six summonses and then it was two overweight vehicles that were reported and we're going to continue Enhanced, you know there and around town. There's some other spots that people are just got to slow down especially when school starts It'll be they'll be back I did receive notice today that Mr. Sergeant First Class Murtha will be moving on. He's going to be moving on to headquarters. We had a great working relationship. Chris Salvato will still be there. He'll be my point of contact until the next trooper is assigned. I guess they're whittling it down to whoever. I'm sure the handoff will be seamless. They do a great job over there. They keep Millstone informed. with them as well, so as soon as the new sergeant runs the schedule, et cetera, is named, I'll let you know. Yeah, then we'll invite him to one of those meetings. Yeah, definitely we'll do it. Very good. I did invite Mr. Murtha, he's like, There wasn't a party when I came in, and I don't want a party when I leave. So I respected his wishes. That's fine, that's fine.

He definitely served us well.

Yeah, he's a gentleman. I'm sure if we need anything in this further, the job he's moving to, he'd be glad to help us as well.

Okay, all right, perfect. Any comments from the days? Anybody? All right, I just have a few. For tomorrow, there's Fair on the Farm Disability Resource Event, Thursday, September 3rd, 2026. Rain date is Friday, September 4th, from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. at the Allaire County Farm, 1923 Bailey's Corner Road in Wall, New Jersey 07719. All are welcome. This event is accessible. If you need accommodations or have any questions, please call 732-431-7450. And it's being sponsored by the Monmouth County Division on Aging, Disabilities, and Veteran Services. So if you have some time and you'd like to visit, please do so. On a sadder note, we had two passings that I was going to fight about. Unfortunately, this past Saturday, Mikey Martin passed away suddenly. Mikey was our building inspector and construction official for 25 years, from 1993 to 2018. We send our condolences to Linda and her family. And may Mickey rest in eternal peace. As well as that, there's a township president that's been here for close to over 30 years, Tom Hunter. He also passed away on August 23rd, leaving behind Stacy, his son Sam, and daughter Brittany, and a granddaughter as well. And our condolences go out to the Hunter family. So sorry about that. All right. At this point of the meeting, I'd like to open it up to the public at eight 26.

We'll call it Tony Cacciotti, C A C C I O T T I nine shower lane, millstone township. Council, I've been here a few times already regarding the proposed. I've been requesting that council creates an ordinance for unlicensed persons performing regulated trades. I've had numerous conversations with our construction official, our code enforcer. I've also had a couple of conversations and emails with Kevin. I'm just following up and I just wanted to take the liberty to, um, the information that you guys should have received in the email is the actual ordinance we've written for you. Um, the unlicensed contractor enforcement sheet, but also, um, if I may, please kind of like having a conversation. Um, if you guys were asking me questions. And I would be able to answer them for you. So the headline reads, can municipalities adopt these rules if they're already state law? Which I know we've heard from administrator that one of the reasons is because it is state law. So the answer to that question is yes, municipalities can adopt and enforce this and they can generate revenue from enforcing it, but it must be done in the right way. So below is a breakdown. Can municipalities adopt these rules if they're already state law? Yes. New Jersey municipalities have explicit authority under NJSA 40 semicolon 48-2 allows towns to adopt ordinance for the protection of persons and property and preserve public health, safety, and welfare. NJSA 40 semicolon 49-5 gives the town the rights to select to set local fines for violations of any municipality ordinance. NJAC 5, semicolon, 2, 3 Uniform Construction Code allows municipalities to enforce construction and licensing-related violations through stop work orders, municipal court summonses, fines, permit fees, reinspection fees. Municipal ordinance can mirror, supplement, and enforce state licensing requirements. but they cannot contradict state law by enforcing it locally is 100% legal and common. I'm sorry, the word not should not have been it. They cannot contradict state law, but enforcing it locally is 100% legal and common. It goes on and on about questions you may ask about what you already do, the fines you guys already have set in place, violations per day, per violation, additional penalties. court costs, permit revenue, stop work orders, code enforcement fees, administrative processing fees, liens, if the homeowner has knowingly hired unlicensed entities, And why municipalities can generate revenue, because this enforcement of municipal ordinances, not state action. When the town adopts an ordinance, local fines stay local, local summonses stay local, permit fees stay local, lien recoveries stay local, court costs stay local. State law is being enforced, but the municipality is enforcing authority, so the municipality collects the penalties. You guys are already doing this under property maintenance, zoning violations, unsafe structures, abandoned buildings, noise ordinance, home improvement contractor violations, and licensing violations. A state-level rule becomes a local revenue generator once the municipality adopts an ordinance mirroring it. Again, it goes on similar comments, but I'm just trying to get a grip on or maybe possibly if we need to have a meeting with a construction official, code enforcement administrator, and some of the council people on how we can get this ordinance in place.

So from what I understand, I spoke to our code enforcement officer who spoke to our construction official. Kevin, I don't know if you were part of those discussions, but he did say, he meaning Nick, did say that a lot of what you're requesting is already at the state level that we could use to enforce at a local level.

Correct.

So he felt it, according to what he disclosed to me, he felt it redundant to do that because we already have that ability to enforce a state statute.

But you're not?

I would defer that to council then.

Go ahead.

Well, as we brought up last time, the first issue is that So you're talking about criminal violations now, and there's no process by which we can become aware, or the township can become aware, of these individuals since, as you pointed out last time, the primary issue is that they're not submitting permits. They're not submitting permits as themselves, but as the homeowners. So there's no knowledge or any enforcement action that can be taken without knowledge of any violations occurring.

If an ordinance was created and we as the contractors who police our own trades, those would be the ones informing of the violation. When we see, we mean in any contractor that's in town who's licensed, sees an unlicensed entity doing work, they kind of feel there's really nowhere that they can go.

But to the mayor's point, Nick's point is that if these are already enforceable as they are, Why haven't the contractors been reaching out about this prior?

Well, they're not reaching out to the towns because the law states they have to reach out to the licensing board. And once again, if I may repeat from previous conversations, the licensing boards are just overwhelmed with violations. You could find violations that took place today with no action being done for two, three years on that actual violation because of the backlog. You would also be relieving a lot of that backlog, each township. Now, remember, we're not just looking here in Millstone. We're looking at every township in the state of New Jersey to create.

Has anybody done it yet?

So it's up in Rockland County. That's where we're mirroring it from. That's New York, right? That is New York. And Rockland County is, well, they're getting a lot of Jersey residents. New Jersey people coming over. And same thing, we get a lot of New York. So that's where we're mirroring it from. That's where it actually started. So I would say if it is in place anywhere that I am not aware of, it would be more up north in the northern counties of New Jersey.

I'd like to point out something, though, to your point. Please. You mentioned before that the law requires that they report it to the state. then if that's the case, how can the municipality overtake that and absorb those calls if by law they're required to go to the state?

Well, because they created an ordinance.

An ordinance can't override state law.

Yeah, but it wouldn't be overriding state law. It would be allowing the township to take the violation.

But if the state law requires that it goes to the board...

We can't override it. You wouldn't be overriding it. You would be working in conjunction. You would actually also collect the fine. And if you sent the violation into the state licensing board, all the state licensing board is going to do is make record of the individual unlicensed and make sure that if they apply for a license, they don't receive that license. There's probably not going to be any violation set or fine set, and there's not going to be any criminal activity filed. A criminal charge, that's another one that we really see that needs to be created because the state licensing boards are not criminally charging these individuals.

Well, it sounds like more of an issue with enforcement by the state.

Again, that's where the issue is. The law is there. It's just not being performed. The law is not being enforced. And if it is being enforced, it's so backlogged that to any individual that has gotten caught and that information is in any state licensing book, they laugh at it. It's a joke. I mean, listen, white collar, if you were in the blue collar industry and you could see How wide open the state of New Jersey is for unlicensed people to come in and do all types of work, we are so behind in the times when other states are way ahead of us. The state, they're way ahead of us in individual licensing, in enforcement, criminal acts, in pounding vehicles, and individuals are no longer, once they're caught, no longer repeat. We have repeat offenders. It's cheaper to be illegal than it is to be legal in their eyes.

I can't speak to any of that, obviously.

So I'm just a little confused about where the contradiction would be, why you wouldn't think that the council can't create this ordinance for the township.

Because it's required, according to what you just said, it's required to go to the state. If it's required to go to the state, without authority from the state or an enabling part of the statute, we can't just cut in as a township.

No, that's incorrect. You absolutely can because it is state law. And as a municipality, you can enforce the state law.

So there is an enabling statute. So there is or is not an enabling statute for this?

If that's your question, I didn't understand. If there is an enabling, yes.

Do you know what the number of the statute is?

Come again?

The statute number? I think you referenced it.

Oh, there's multiple statutes.

No, it's an enabling one. It wouldn't be under Title 40. Right.

I have to get back to you on that. That I would have to further investigate. What I read off before was NJSA 40, Semicolon 48-2.

The general police powers.

The UCC 5.23.

This would fall outside of the UCC. That's set by the state.

Yep. 40, semicolon, 49-5, gives towns the right to set local fines for violations of any municipality ordinance. N-J-S-A.

But that means that we have to have the authority to set the ordinance in force.

You have the authority already.

But not what you just read off. It's required to go to the state board. We need the enabling statute to just ensure that we can do that.

So, Tony, can you find out what the enabling statute number is?

I can, but I'd rather also bring it here.

Yeah, no, but if you give it to us, we can review it.

Well, you said give it to Kevin, not you. You said give it to Kevin.

Yeah, because this way he can send it to council, we can review it, and then the next time you come back, we'll have answers for you.

Yeah, absolutely. I've got a few things I've got to get to Kevin, apparently, right? Right? You asked me for that other stuff, Kevin?

The pictures for the thing.

I don't have a video, though. You wanted a video.

No, whatever can help me with the plumbers that are going to try to do the work.

You got it. If that's the stumbling block right there is the enabling ordinance statute.

We don't know. He needs to review it and he needs to understand.

Have you, I'm sorry, have you reviewed the email that I sent him, all the papers, kind of the stuff I'm reading off? Have you had a chance to?

No, I have not had a chance. I think Brian has.

I don't know who Brian is. He's stepping in for Brian, so he may not know what we're talking about.

Do we need to have it sent to you to review it? Because it's probably in there.

I'll take a look at it.

That'd be great. That'd be very helpful. Because legal terms, you're talking to the wrong guy, but when it comes to... Well, this is a law.

I need to talk legal terms.

Well, still, legal terms in a law. If I'm looking for an adjoining type of statute, I might not even really know what I might be reading to tell you you're right or wrong. Yeah, that would be great. That would be very helpful.

When you, for permit-required work, say... and you need to have a license, do you have to submit a copy of your license as part of getting a permit?

So that's a great question, Eric, because some towns say yes, especially if they're not familiar with the contractor. Say it's a contractor coming from maybe Newark or, I don't know, North Bergen and working here, they can ask for a copy of the license, but other towns don't because all they have to do is go on DCA's website and find if their license is active based on the license information they put in on the permit application. Another problem that we have when it comes to UCC is the same type of project in different towns is done differently. And there's the uniform construction code. The only thing uniform about it in the state of New Jersey is it's not uniform. So that's a whole other challenge on itself. It can be requested and the contractor usually abides by the request. It's not required. But this is also, so we understand, this is also not work that requires permits. I know that.

I know you're saying there's both, but I'm just using permit required one as a basis.

Those are probably not going to be so explicit because of a contractor asking a homeowner to sign off on a permit when the homeowner goes into the township and files that permit. explicitly says to them, you would be in violation of types of laws if you apply for this permit and you are not physically doing the work. So that's probably something that we don't see as much as you think you may. You would see people doing work and telling people they don't need a permit for work that may need a permit or doing work that doesn't even require a permit.

So a homeowner is legally allowed to do the work themselves that they want?

In certain homes, most of them in Millstone, the answer is going to be yes. The homes that they cannot are homes that are attached to other homes, condominiums, townhomes, commercial work they cannot do. But in a single-family, standalone residence, the homeowner can do any work on their own, not requiring any licensing or training or certification. If it is work that requires a permit, they still have to file for the permit.

Right, get it inspected and make sure it's safe and done and ready to go.

There's a lot of work that homeowners can do that don't require a permit, changing a breaker, a ballast, a toilet, converting a tub into a shower. They could do that type of work and not have to file the permit, but they can't hire anyone else to do that work. Part of the conversation we're trying to have with getting this ordinance out there is also educating the public. A lot of homeowners are not familiar. The process, it could be complicated. Finding the right information on licensing, active licenses, invalid registrations, what needs to be a permit, what type of paperwork needs to be filed, inspections. It's sometimes difficult for a homeowner who's never experienced that before to get the proper information. And a lot of them rely on the contractor to tell them the truth. In some cases, they're not being told the truth.

Technically, isn't their license number supposed to be on their... Vehicles.

That's also part of advertising. That would be another part of the enforcement ordinance. Every type of advertisement, whether it be vehicle, invoice, checks, t-shirts, signs, one signs, everything that anyone would be doing any type of advertising on. They do need to have their license number, the name of that person, as well as the town that they live in on the vehicles. It's more explicit. Last name of the license holder and town that that license holder or that business is in and the license number.

It even goes down to the size and the font. It's one inch. Yeah, there's very strict things.

There's a whole set of statutes of how to have it.

For non-permitted work, you might be driving around, you see somebody's truck without a license number. I'm trying to see how this would all play out.

So, great question because this is one of the things that's really been a thorn in my side in town. There's someone with a big company with... dozens of vehicles, and instead of having the trade that they're in, their license number, they utilize the HIC number, which is only a registration. That's changed some wording, and that board isn't even compiled yet, but the HIC Home Improvement Contractor Registration is still a registration. There has been no exam, no schooling, no prior experience, and they're just giving out these registrations like you go to the store and buy candy. and this particular company in town does not have the license of the work that they are supposed to be doing, and all over their trucks has an HIC number. It's kind of like false advertisement given a consumer if they pull up their license in that trade, and they are not. So this is another, you know, dawn on our side when it comes to this particular ordinance we're looking to push in multiple, all the towns. We see this a lot. Advertising is probably going to be the easiest way to get them. Rather than driving around and seeing someone having something hanging out of the back of their truck they shouldn't have because they're not licensed.

So hypothetically, you said you can't go into the town. If someone else went to... our construction official and said, I know this guy is doing work, but he's not licensed. What would our construction people do with that?

So I can answer that because I've been through that personally years ago and that's why we kind of stopped. They really don't do too much. If they can get out there in time when that's happening and catch them in the act, that's the best case scenario. 95% of the time that's not happening. They have inspections already set up. They're not in that area. And by the time they get out there, the work is done and they may knock on the door and ask the homeowner for pertinent information like an invoice if any pictures were taken or maybe show them the work that was done. That's really not happening.

So let me ask another question, maybe stupid. So for engineers, you sign and seal stuff. You have a seal that you sign to validate. Yeah, I know it. So for trades, you just go in and fill out a piece of paper and just write your license number on it?

You have a seal also.

Oh, okay.

We have the same type of seals, but we've heard construction officials and sub-code officials say that people use the different, people go to Staples and buy a notary seal, a fake seal, make a seal, because if they're not actually, if the plan review portion is not actually reading that seal and looking that license number up, that happens, human error. I mean, you know, you're just feeling that the seal is on there and you're not really looking at it. Listen, if you're an illegal person, you find really creative ways to stay illegal. So to go out to Staples and buy a seal just to put on an application, sometimes it'll sneak through. All great questions, and thank you for answering them.

There's no systems of checks and balances with the state?

Not right now, there isn't. The state is so backlogged. Listen, each board is a council just like you guys that meet once a month. They have to drive from wherever they are to go meet in Newark and meet for a little while. And most of the action that's actually taking place is people applying for a license. And actual license holders get the penalty, more than unlicensed entities.

Do you sit on that board?

No, I would not. I've been asked to, and that's something I would not want to do.

All right. So we'll try, if you could try to find that enable. We'll try to read it and look at it. And if it does enable the township to do something, then we'll discuss it and we'll get Nick back involved in it. We'll do what we've got to do.

I will say I understand the concern of who is going to enforce it. I get it. we're probably not going to see a lot of action in Millstone. I get that too, and that's good. But for it to be here, and it takes one time for somebody to blow up a house or put a house on fire or cause somebody to become ill from fumes or gas, we don't want that to happen. It's all about public safety, property following, and obviously they're doing the right thing.

Understood, but we also have the state to pull back on. Yeah, we do, but it's unfortunate because- I hear you, because of all the red tape and the backlog, but we still are- Well, there's really no red tape.

You can go right online and fill out the violation. You could post it, send it in with the required documentation, whether it be pictures, receipts, invoices, advertisements. But it sits on a desk, and we don't know whose desk is getting it, and then we never... That's through the DCA? That is DCA. That's all DCA. Department of Consumer Affairs up and new. Each licensing board. I mean, you... I'm sorry, but you know your license is governed by someone...

Which is all interesting to me, because, like, when you file a complaint with the Board of Professional Engineers, like, they act on it, like, immediately. So, like, for me to hear this, that's why I was asking you questions last time, like...

I will tell you one of the boards that is phenomenal on doing is the electrical board. If you're an unlicensed electrical guy and you go out and do something and you get caught, They're going to get you. They are really, really good at enforcing their...

So there are specific boards for specific licenses?

There's probably, I would say, somewhere between 300 and 500 boards.

Holy cow.

Yeah, in the state of New Jersey. I mean, from nursing, locksmith, irrigation, all sorts of boards.

Wow. I guess it just depends how fast they act on it and how...

Well, again, they meet once a month, just like you guys. It's a small group of individuals, and it's hard. It's hard when the other 29, 30 days in the month, things are happening, and you're sending them up there.

Yeah, it's a heavy load. It is.

It is. It's a heavy load. I say that because I'm sure it's a heavy load here, too, and it's probably not that big of a deal. But for us, it's a very big deal.

So, Tony, you had mentioned that there's a local company going around with a bunch of trucks doing work that they're not licensed.

I'm not going to share that right now. Kevin, please don't ask me.

No, I'm not asking the name. Oh, okay. I'm just asking, have you reported that yet today?

That was reported four years ago. Four years ago. And what we hear from that board, the list of complaints is probably one of the biggest list of complaints on one particular company they have seen. Still operating, still making money, still putting more trucks on the road. It's a shame.

No, when you get re-licensed, do you have to go, like, I know when you do a... Which license? For your plumber, right? Yes, ma'am. So, when you redo your plumber's license, they ask you, like, the same questions, like, do you have any pending, you know... Every time we renew, we renew twice every two years.

So we have to do five to six hours of continuing education. We have to supply a bond, and then those questions are asked. Have you been recently arrested?

Right, yeah.

Do you have any pending? Yep, a list of probably eight questions, and most of them are criminal-related.

Well, criminal-related, but what about violations, like people that put in, you know,

That question's not asked.

Yes, because that's actually one of the questions on the professional engineers. It actually asks you if you have any, like, allegations against your professional engineering license. Not us.

That's what I would think.

Not us. On the contracting side, I don't think they have that.

I haven't seen it.

No, not us. It's more criminal.

Yeah. All right.

Again, if you can't get us. I'm sorry to keep coming here and asking this, but I'm not going to go away. Until I get an absolute no, which I'm not hoping to open the door to that.

We're not saying that. I know. We need to work together. Absolutely. And I appreciate that. And if you could get us an enabling statute, we'll get it to Kevin, Kevin will give it to Zach or Brian, and we'll review it and come to the next meeting and hopefully we'll have some information for you.

Thank you so much.

Every time you come here, see, I learn more and more. It's a learning session.

I'm okay with that. I actually enjoy that. So I will end with, please, if you guys remember last time I was here, we talked about the Allentown Borough 9-11, September 11th procession is going to take place again this year. We start the walk at 7 o'clock. We all set up at Allen Drive in the borough. The main street is closed down. This procession is a little different this year. The speakers are just a few speakers and it's more about the unity and solidarity and they're also going to share the opportunities for any businesses in the area that may want to contribute to a memorial that's going to be built and you would have the opportunity to buy a stone with your engravement on it that's going to be placed in the memorial similar to what's in front of the library. So we are kind of pushing with that, and we'd love to see anybody out there, since it is an evening event when most events in the county are taking place at a time of... Thank you again, everybody, for your time. Thank you. You too.

Would you like to come up and speak?

Yeah, okay. I mentioned before...

You have to state your name and your address, please, and if you could spell your name.

Prithiva Putherlanka, and I'm at 9 Alicia Drive, Allentown, New Jersey. So we were here about a month and a half ago regarding having a cannabis retail business. And we have been very, we had our cannabis person I guess, consultant come and talk to you about that. I know we've sent a couple of emails, so we were just wondering, it's interesting I'm coming after somebody who is also talking about getting the license and how regulated things are. We wanted to provide a regulated cannabis retail business here, so we just wanted to reach out again and see how, you know, what's what's on your mind, any questions we can answer, anything we can. We would love to invite you to see our dispensary, just to see how we handle the high clientele that you guys have here in Millstone. We have a similar experience and we have a similar dispensary with that kind of clientele. So we just wanted to reintroduce ourselves and see if we can talk again.

Does anybody have any questions?

I don't think I was here for that meeting. Where's your current dispensary?

We're in Pennington, New Jersey. My CEO is here. Her name is Dolly, and I'm a CC. I'm a compliance officer. So we can help answer some questions, and we can have dialogue. I appreciate it.

They currently have a retail store. It's not cannabis. over by 537 and 571. The smoke shop or whatever that's called over there?

No, we don't have it. We don't have it. We shut it down.

Oh, you closed that?

That closed in April.

So that's not you running the place here now?

No, we don't have it. It's not us at all running that. It's somebody else. If there's something going on, it's not related to us. Okay.

Alright, just current, I mean, what's your, what kind of revenue do you obtain there and how much actually goes to the town?

My name is Dolly Lalchandani and I live in 15 Stevenson Lane in Chesterfield.

If you don't mind spelling your last name for Kathleen.

L-A-L-C-H-A-N-D-A-N-I So currently we have been with Jersey Meds in Pennington for two years, two and a half years. And at present, this year, we will be achieving our goals for 10 million. And every month to Pennington Borough, we give 2% of our sales. Every dollar that we ring in, 2% goes to Pennington Borough.

which is at $10 million, we're really giving them quite a bit of money for the township.

After you guys gave your presentation, I actually had to go to Pennsylvania the next day, so I actually drove through Pennington, so I saw your location there, because I had asked you guys questions about, like, you know...

I heard you were there, yeah.

Yeah, was there, like, you know, a lot of cars, and actually that wasn't the case when I saw the place.

We run a very discreet, nice cannabis retail business over there. Our clients, I mean, if you see our reviews, we have, like, close to 1,700 five-star reviews. So we really have an exceptional service over there with Jersey Meds.

How does it work when you're a retail operation as far as getting product?

We go through the, all product has to come from New Jersey, made in New Jersey. And we have what's called the CRC, the Cannabis Regulatory Commission. They provide us the metric data that the manufacturers have to provide. And then the retail business goes and can contract with the manufacturing business and can collect those products. So it's highly regulated. The metric system is like seed to sale. So right from the seed of that plant to the sale, it is tracked on a number. So it's very highly regulated.

So a certain amount of approved growers in the state and then you have to buy from them. That's the way it works.

So I understand that you had some interest here already where some cultivation people might have been interested to be out here. We're just looking to do a small retail business. And we can help if you're interested in getting cultivators, or we can just be our small retail business. So if you're interested, we have all the contacts to help build a large cultivation and get you more money you might be looking for. But at the moment, I'm not sure Milestone is, you know, ready yet for these kind of things, but I would just encourage or I would, you know, really request if you could consider a small retail business here.

Questions? Nope. Nope. Nope. All right, thank you. Thank you very much for your presentation again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So do we need to, could we follow up again?

We have your contact info. Okay. So if it's the discretion of the township or the governing body, if there's any interest, we will contact you.

Okay.

All right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Okay. If there's nobody else in the public here, I'd like to close the public portion out at? 858. And I would like a motion to adjourn.

I'll make it.

Thank you.

I'll second.

Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Time out?

Time out is 8.59.