Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

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Oh, yeah. [Music] regular schedule. [Music] [Music] Let us pray. God our father who made the heavens and the earth. Father who led us out to this place once again this brick building on side of the road. Father the county gave us a task to do. Father, we hope that our eyes are open and our hearts are open and whatever decisions we have to make, Father, we we hope it be a blessing to you as well as our neighbors and our friends. Then after the day is all done, Father, give us the understanding that it's okay in Jesus name we all do pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. A motion would be order for the approval

of the consent agenda. So move. Thank you, Mr. Jess. Second call, please. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kittinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse. Yes. Mr. Williams. Yes. Mr. Don Harris.

Yes. Um, under the uh consent agenda, we have a special recognition award for Mr. Les Hawkman. He is here today along with his wife. Thank you'all for being here. And I'd like um uh Mr. to come forward and to make a presentation of the plaque. Uh we're delighted that we can audience, sir, and that it's been quite a few years that you've served on the airport committee. Yeah, you don't have to speak. Your mic is not.

All right. From the county of Middle Sex, presented to G. Les Hawkman a recognition in recognition of service on the airport committee from October 1998 to July 2025 this period of 26 years with best wishes full of good health and pleasure presented by the board of supervisors Middle Sex County September 9th 2025 signed Matt Walker clerk Okay. Um I we'd like to take a picture, sir, if you could just And um Miss Hman, you're welcome to be in the picture as well if you'd like. And Larry's not here, so we're going to have a substitute person taking a picture. Yep. want to sit down. If you can stand, that's fine, too. Either way.

Don't be shocked. Wayne's dressed nice. You don't want to get beside Wayne. All right, here we go. We're good.

Hello. Now before I leave, you all want to hear from me down here 98 product without come down here and I run into a whole pile of good people and I lived raised up on the Shannondoa River North Fork. I didn't know there was as much water as I want to tell you I thank you forever and as far as my part of the airport I you know 20ome years in the airport kind of attached aircraft but I enjoyed being with on the committee.

Thank you Mr. Helping with what little bit I could do. Well, we appreciate it. Thank you. Y'all have a beautiful day. Thank you, sir. Thank y'all. And Mr. Chairman, if I can say uh Less is also been a long long time member of the of the uh Deltaville Rescue Squad and he has been a driver. He's been my driver for many many of calls and uh uh he's he's a person he's he's definitely a person that we could thank and look up to. And I'm als Oh, there you go. Thank you, sir.

Thanks, L. Okay. Um, treasures report. Um, oh, sorry. How could I forget that? I And I do have two public speakers if you Okay. Uh, we're now in the public comment uh part of our agenda. Who do you have first? My first public speaker is Thomas Major of Saluda.

Thank you, Mr. Major. Good afternoon again board. I'm back once again to express my deep ongoing concern about the proposed solar facility on the old landfill in the facer property. As I stated last month, my concerns are not about the aesthetics of this project, the potential impacts to the property values or because I don't want to see it on the way to my second home. Like the reasons this board previously voted down the kit and solar facility, I'm concern my concern is rooted in the health and safety of the land, the surrounding properties, and the Dragon Run wershed. Now, let's go back to the July 2024 Board of Supervisors meeting, the last time the ARM group was here before today. And I want to share some direct quotes from that meeting. Almost immediately, the ARM group representative stated, "We are over the groundwater protection standard for vinyl chloride." That is a statement worth repeating. Even today, according to the graph you're going to be shown shortly, the levels of vinyl chloride in those wells remain five times higher than what are considered safe. At the same meeting, the ARN group representative advised the DEEQ was recommending multiple wells be drilled and that oxidizing compounds be injected to treat the groundwater contamination. What happened to that plan and the need for those? Also, during that meeting, this board expressed significant concerns about the potential for drilling and construction on that property to stir up more problems. What has happened to those concerns? Yes, the ARM group will present you a chart today showing progress, a downward trend in vinyl chloride levels and I agree this trend is encouraging. However, the levels are still well above the recommended groundwater protection standard and let's not forget the site must remain below that standard for three consecutive years before it can be deemed safe and monitoring can stop. We're nowhere near that point. Vinyl chloride is a volatile organic compound. is classified as a group A human carcinogen, the EPA's highest level of concern for cancer-causing substances. Any amount of vinyl chloride in our water and soil is too much. Vinyl chloride is grouped with other

hydrocarbons such as oil, gas, and paint thinners. None of us would expect for those to be in our waterways. So why should we accept this one? I can't understand the rush or the need for this project. It must not be the money. The board had previously turned down the ther kitten solar facility which would have provided the county with $1.4 million in an upfront payment. The current project is slated to pay out 1.9 million over 25 years which barely covers the salary of a single county employee over that 25 year span. This project covers it offers no long-term benefit to the county, no jobs, no community advantages, and certainly no benefit to the land or the neighbor properties make this project make sense. The updated data you'll see today may show vinyl chloride levels are trending downward since the last presentation, but it will also confirm that we're still a long way from reaching the point where the property can be considered safe. You have the residents of Stormmont some peace of mind and show them that the county truly cares. Stop the project until vinyl chloride levels are safe and DEQ has released the property for monitoring requirements. Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Mr. Major. Excuse me. My next public speaker is Teresa Cash from Delta Bell. Welcome.

Good afternoon. I'm Teresa Cash. I'm new to the area. In Deltaville, we live on Lover's Lane. Lover's Lane is one road in and one road out. There's about 20 people in there that have golf carts. And now two people in the neighborhood um have complained about the golf carts. So trying to represent the 20 people that would sign and whatever that needs to be done. Um we're here just to ask for guidance and help us. Who do we talk to? Where do I go? Um what you know what is necessary to hopefully help these people to still be able to ride across the little lovers lane to their neighbor or down to the dock. Some of those people are on canes. Some of those people that we've met is not some of them but almost all of them are related to each other except for us. But um there's two people like we said that have complained about the golf carts and I can understand because golf carts are supposed to be 16 years of age and valid license in the state of Virginia but um and I have seen several children but the majority of the people there are um beyond and above able to drive a golf cart. So I don't know what the guidance is or where we're to go. this first time we've ever been to a meeting. So, we appreciate help to since we're the new kids on the block, they say I think we got the blunt of the story. So, just want to help out.

Thank you. And any concerns you can put in writing or call Mr. um county administrator, Mr. Walker, and he'll direct you where you need to go or direct us to where we need. Thank you. You're welcome.

Mr. Ricardi, you got anybody else? No. Thank you. I've got no other public speakers. Does anybody else would like to speak? Seeing none, hearing none, I will close the public comment section. All righty. Uh, item 3 C, ERP update. Mr. Ricardi.

Um, the purpose of this agenda item today is to update the board on where we are on the ERP process. As you recall, the ERP ERP, the enterprise resource planning, is a software that will integrate um all of our core business practices. We're currently using something called Brightite. Um Bright was probably we probably purchased in the late 80s. Um and we all agreed that it might be time to bring something more modern into the community. To that end, the board select the board helped us hire company called Barry Dunn and you can see them at the top of your screen. They are here. We'd like to at this time I'd like to introduce uh probably Ross. Ross Defal is there. Jonathan Grace is here and Kate is here. Kate um I'll you guys just moved around but we deal with Ross and Kate and Jonathan on a regular basis. But I think Roth Ross is going to give us a brief update of how we got to where we are and then we'll try to update you to where we are if it's okay. Ross, you want to start?

Yeah, absolutely. I'd be happy to. Uh it's nice to meet the board. Um thank you so much for your time. Uh so we um we started in January 2025 with a project kickoff with our evaluation committee uh which included Amry um Karen Karen Murray from schools Kevin Gentry uh May Diggs and Tracy Wright uh that's been our project management team and evaluation committee through this process. Um in February we came on site uh our Barry Dun um uh consulting team came on site and performed factf finding activities um which led to the release of an RFP uh for um for ERP software that was released in April. Um in June the RFP was closed. uh the county did receive nine responses and then um over the summer right so from uh July, August and then into September uh we started um scoring vendors. Uh the first round of scoring um was uh the evaluation committee um reviewing vendor written responses. Um we narrowed uh we narrowed vendors down to three to bring on site for demonstrations. Um we reviewed those demonstrations in August and in September the evaluation team um I mean the currently the evaluation team uh came to um two preferred vendors which uh is why we are in front of you today. So, Amory, that's a brief back background of how we got here. Um, is is that okay? Would you like me to over to you?

No, that's that is a perfect start. Again, we want to make sure that our board knows how long these the that Barry Dun's been working with us, holding our hands. We hold meetings every Friday um at 9:00. Is it 9:00? And um Ross and I meet every Friday at 8:45, 15 minutes early. Um so, we have been meeting all along. And then as a group, we've also had other meetings. I think you all remember me telling you we had five, was it five or six consecutive days from 8:00 am till 400 pm meeting with the vendors, hearing their presentations. So, this has been a very long process. Um, and I want to I do want to I do need to at this point be sure to aside from giving credit to um Ross and Kate specifically, Jonathan for being there holding our hands because we did not know what we're doing. We did not know what we were jumping into and it was way bigger than anything I could have imagined. But then around the room, you'll see right now in the back of the room, we've got May and Tracy and Karen and of course we've got Kevin here because it became this it is this important to all of us that we want to make sure that we're representing. This ended up being big and it ended up being good. Um I think that um Mr. Harris and Mr. Williams were extremely assertive about getting this done. I don't think you all could have imagined number one how much What a great experience this has been. It's been a lot of work, but it's been a great experience. I had no idea how great this is going to be, what I was going to see. So, to that end, and and I'm going to say it all the way across. It was been very interesting. We're not to the point, we're not bringing a contract to you today. I'm bringing to you information so you know that our next step in this process is to start contract negotiations. Ross, Kate, and Jonathan will be helping us develop contracts along with did I mention this to Heather along with Heather, our county attorney, will be developing a contract with our vendors so that we can bring forth to you to discuss. Um, but we have um two softwares that are going to be

recommended that are desired to complement each other based on the system capabilities. We are recommending with the best of breed approach and that is for the that that picks the best of everything. The financial software was kind of easy. That's an Edmonds. There were about four or five companies that do that very well for the needs that we all saw um and what we required when we saw Edmunds we just had a great yeah that's the one we saw you know you looked at others and said that's good but that's not the one. We saw Edmonds and we saw the one. Ainity does tax and revenue. That's all they do. They do tax and revenue in the state, excuse me, in the Commonwealth of Virginia. That's all they do. Everyone who's re who recommended them said basically, wow. Um, and that complements the admins. So admins would be financials, payroll, permitting, and purchase permitting and purchasing. Then a venity would meld into that for tax and revenue. This approach should provide great flexibility. It's going to improve so much functionality. I would like I wish I could express to you what I heard from May's team after they saw Avenity because Did you want to talk May before I speak for you? You want me to keep going?

Okay, I'll keep going. Because May was coming into this a little bit kicking and screaming with a big no because she likes Sprite. So was her team. Does every y'all agreed y'all were y'all were my you all were going to be the hardest sell. They saw vanity and all of a sudden they were like um I think it was Carrie was in there saying wait does it do this too? You could sense a total wait we can do something better for our people. We can do something better for our customers. We can show things better. And in fact I believe they said you will collect revenues better. You will there there was more to it than just the front end or the the public end that sees or the end that they see it. actually will enhance their productivity. So, I don't want to oversell because we're not at that point yet, but that's what we were seeing. What we'd like to do next is number one, we'd like to have each of those two each of those that sounds like a big deal. Admins and Ven and Aventity show you in 10 minutes next board meeting give you a brief overview so you can see maybe get the excitement that we got. I wasn't expecting to feel as excited as I am about it, but we'd like to show you what they have. Um, and then let's see, did I say that? Yeah, about 10 minutes each. So, you can see what type of improvement. Maybe I should even screenshot some of what we're currently doing so you'd see the difference. Um, and then come up with the contracts for these. Um, as you can see in the uh um in the spreadsheet on page 38 and 39, the option two that Emmens proposed is has a $155,000 onetime cost, $55,000 a year annual cost. Their and their one-time cost does not include tax and revenue. The Aventity does have a higher um onetime cost because it is so unique. you, like I said, once you see it, you'll be, "Oh, I see why this is." They specialize in tax and revenues for your community. How do you do it? And then their annual subscription costs are

115,000. So, these are items that would have to start being budgeted. Part of it we'd start as soon as you all give us the go-ahad. We have some of that put in the budget this year, but the rest of it is going to be budgeted over the next years. And then the rem the 55,15 that's going to be an ongoing cost to the as I see it. There is no more wiggle room. Um we're you always ask us to sharpen our pencils. We asked them to sharpen their pencils once and that's the numbers we that's the numbers that we got. Um and I believe Aventity says we just can't there's nothing more we can do with these figures. Um, is there anything? Uh, Karen, Tracy, did you guys want to Did you two want to throw anything else out there? Am I slaughtering it all by myself just fine? Okay, Kevin, did you want to add anything? So, to that end, what I wanted to do is make sure that you, the board, knew where we were, how excited we were, and what the next steps were, and find out if you had any questions, concerns, comments.

Thank you, Ann Marie. Questions? might be premature, but I got two uh or maybe one and a half. Um, does not the Edund option have the ability to do uh payroll as well? Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Edmonds does payroll. Yes. So, we've got a admins for financials, payroll, permitting, and purchasing. That part's easy. Yep. Um, and a vanity does tax and revenue. Okay. My let me do better on my question then. Um why would we look at two vendors versus one vendor?

Right. I think what you were asking was doesn't Edmonds also do tax and revenue. Yes,

that was what you were Yeah, I was started as after I heard that I thought that's what you were trying to say. Edmmonds does but it does it to the level we are now. So it doesn't make any improvements. Um and in fact as we watched the um the demos specifically the the screens are too complicated for daily operations. It's as if Edmonds is made for financial software. I mean and it is it is a perfect financial software. It is not a perfect tax software. So that was why we said let's go with best of breed. It is. When you see the the demos, you'll see what I'm saying. But that is why it does, but it doesn't do it well.

Any other questions? You said you had two. Well, I'm going just keep it to one and I'm going to see the the presentation and then I'll add to that. How about that? Okay. I'm looking at you, Ross. This will be possible, right, to have the 10-minute briefings, right? Oh, Kate's saying yes. Yep. And it's one thing am A am A am A am A am A am A am A am A am A am A am Ary now that uh the board's on board with that I I will start to work on scheduling those immediately okay for uh for the next presentation I'll reach out to both vendors thank you okay

start over we appreciate you the board for having the foresight on this because I think you clearly you thought ahead of me on this one wonderful any other comments questions Thank you. We'll look forward to that presentation at a later date. Okay. Uh moving right along. Um general assembly uh update item D. Delegate Keith Hajes. Welcome, sir.

Mr. Chairman, it's always pleasure to be with you and get on the road and do this each and every year. visit the boards from town council kind of give you an update just talk and believe me that we had a lot of talking Mr. Chairman, how long do I have? Well, I'm I I have you for I have you for 20 minutes and I'm going hold you tight on that.

Thank you. And I always start by saying thank thank you to each and every one of you. Local government could never do it. It's much more personal where the rubber hits the road and decisions you make are far more difficult than what we and do enrichment. But I do do want to just say thank thank you to each and every one of you and your staff and Commissioner Walker. Um, of course, General Assembly session in 2025, I can say it started out different. Every session is totally different and this one was definitely different. And if you remember what was the problem, we had four. So very interesting. we were held up um starting late and then of course um they didn't really want to catch up catch up on some meetings and so forth. So kind of set us back a little bit but overall we we were able to get get some things done um in Richmond and um there as always there were about 3,500 bills and resolutions that were introduced during the during the session. One thing that did concern me is the number of bills not even receive a hearing and that that does concern me. One thing I believe is every bill that's introduced, whether it's here in Congress, should be heard. Any amendment should be germanine to the intent of the original bill. And every everyone that's serving, you know, in the state or in Congress should be um someone that works and has a real job and be Thomas Jefferson. You know, those three things, I think would be a lot better off. So, of course, um the number one thing we all would have to deal with is the budget. It was not a budget year. We're always working with the budget two-year balance. Um, but the living breeding document of looking at the revenues and what you spent and come together and make budget amendments did well. Of course, no budget is perfect and this is

no different. Uh, but I do believe that this budget that we passed um I think overall the good outweighs the bad. It puts more money into people's pocket. put more money into education. It puts more money invests in Virginia's economy and it does not raise taxes. So, of course, um couple of things that we we did. We made 4.2 billion in new investments including education, healthcare, and infrastructure. And then at the end, we were able to retain $900 million to cushion against potential economic risk of what may happen to That's something that you know there's always a concern there. But um actually the governor came back in our budget and made 37 veto primarily on college campuses and universities with capital project that most importantly we were able to give some money back to people a 200 rebate for individual tax filers 400 for joint filers 1.1 billion in the pockets of hardworking Virginiaians. Additionally, and really this is the most important important part of it, we increase the standard deduction from 8750 for single file to 175 for married couples um beginning of the 2025 tax year. I can't remember we actually have to go back and reach out that I'm stay longterm that's what's going to put money to the pockets of hard work. I think overall the balance um it was responsible and um I think overall we made some good choices. One thing we did, we made a significant investment in our public schools. And we're looking at public schools. Um, we have the folks here with us today. Um, since the pandemic, I believe we've

increased our per pupil spending by like 53% I believe somewhere somewhere around there. Um, made a significant investment um in, you know, support personnel, putting more monies in our system and hopefully better able to educate our children. Um, education's a top priority. huge investment in Virginia and one we need to continue to to work on. We put some money into achieving getting back from our our learning loss from the pandemic primarily. A lot of that was in evidence-based math teaching materials. Um and I can go on about that but um you know some of the things didn't address the number one number one hated tax in Virginia is the car tax. Of course people don't like it but I will tell you if When we do something in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the localities have to remain hold. That is the only way it will ever work. And when I say hold, 100% hope. That is the only way it will ever work. But um that's something that we'll continue to talk about and continue to work on. Of course, public safety, a lot of that is not negotiable with me. One one thing I'd really like to bring up with that is that um you know, the incentives credits. Um of that and you know criminals need to stay in jail and dealers need to be held accountable for what happened. Um, you know, I've talked to a number of folks with overdoses and loved ones and at the end of the day those account um, of course, you know, one thing like talk about is this. I think it's the downfall of society.

Um, no one I mean I grew up on a party and we but we got things done. I knew when I had to get home, heard my dad's whistle. We didn't track our kids and you know one thing I truly believe it's that personal responsibility and kids need to grow up learning that and even today's world they grow up with these they can't make a decision unless they call a tax someone and they're addicted to I carried legislation two years ago I usually carry enough my girls didn't say I'm loud enough but thank you but you know it's a major problem. It's going to major mental health problems and of course I tried to carry legislation a couple of years ago to deal with it. It was shot down. We were able to get um legislation through this year was very similar to the one that that I carried limiting um social media use under 16 years old to 1 hour unless you have parental consent. Then of course we have the billto bail law. So when that first bell rings to to the dismissal, cell phones are not to be used and that came down through executive order. Um but I will tell you Middle Sex County was the leader on that and made a big difference and actually Governor Yncan brought to the brought um Susan Fleet to the state of the Commonwealth just to talk about that because you know he personally heard about the great things that were going on here in Middle Sex County with that and it is making a difference. I'm hearing from our schools that it truly is making a difference. Um, one thing and of course Mr. Walker and I talk about this quite a bit is, you know, local authority preservation. It's very important for the state to come in and take over certain programs without local control or local authority. You just can't do that. Especially cheering county citiz cities and towns. And one of the number one problems um that I have to deal with in general assembly is

educating the urban areas about the rural areas and understand us how we live, how our economy works, our opportunities you know and and our struggles that we have but not only there but also educating other rural areas because you know the state is we really have four distinct rural areas. We have the valley with advanced manufacturing. We have Southwest with the coal. We have the tobacco region with the tobacco commission. Then you have rural coastal Virginia, middle peninsula, northern neck, and eastern shore. And when you take all of the federal and state economic development programs and lay them on a map, they're available everywhere. But we're left out. Totally left out because 76% of our workforce drives out of the district each and every day. we're considered fully employed, but the money is made somewhere else and we don't have that tax base and the business tax base we need for our local governments. So, we're left out. So, we need to really look at that a little bit differently. Um, of course, you know, we mentioned solar earlier. There was a push this year to take away local control on solar. we were finally able to get um the delegate that introduced that to pull that bill because it is not a one one sizefits-all um at all. Of course, you you you've heard probably quite a bit about accessory dwelling units. Um, and taking local control with that when you're looking at setbacks, giving people the ability to, you know, build on their property and the state saying which, you know, localities have no control as far as zoning and the issues that that's a problem because you are the ones that should be making the decision, not the state. We're not Northern Virginia. We're not Hampton Roads. You know, you're here in Middle Sex County, so you're the ones that should be making those decisions. Of course, everyone talks about the big beautiful bill. Um, I'll just mention it

very briefly. Not sure exactly what's going to happen with that. There's still a lot of unknowns. Um, don't know if the sky's falling yet or not, but I think there are quite a bit of unknowns. Of course, they said we're going to lose 32,000 jobs, I believe, uh, now I think or 10,000 um, that have been gone. and we were expected to have a $250 million deficit at the state. So far, we have we've had a $ 1.7 billion billion dollar um revenue surplus and it's expected to be more. So, Virginia's economy is actually very strong and should be able to absorb much of this if anything ever happens. But we still need to be be prepared. There are a number of concerns. Um but there are some things that are a positive out of it. I've been working over the last few days on the rural health transformational um grant funding for rural Virginia and healthcare opportunities where we can actually make a difference. It's actually states are eligible for up to $1 billion in rural health care. And when I start to look at the statistics between some of our urban areas where they have access to health care, they have the programs and it's very complicated. In some instances the life expectancy in those areas 20 years difference versus our rural areas. So this is available to rural um rural states and depending on the programs that that we developed been working with some groups and of course with the healthcare background I've submitted quite a few suggestions. So we're working on that. Of course healthcare is one of our and I'll talk about that a little bit but healthcare is also our number one employer in in the middle peninsula. So, we need to invest in that because there's some things that people look at when they move to an area, when they live in an area where they want to raise their children. Health care, schools, fire, EMS. That's that's really what they're really looking at. Um, of course, I mentioned, you know,

Virginia's economy is is strong. We had the 1.7 billion dollar surplus. Primarily, a lot of that is in withholding taxes to create that surplus. Um, but I will tell you, we're going to go into it this coming year and serving on on appropriations. I'm sure we'll once again have a very conservative approach on how we spend our money and to not increase taxes and put some dollars back in your pocket. Um, one thing I really always like to talk to are things that that happen here. My number one priority is representing the middle peninsula, the 68th district, jobs and economic development. We talked about the 76% outflow of of workers, but you know when the people are here between 9 to5, we actually have the lowest wage in the wages of the Commonwealth of Virginia. We do 9 to5, lower than southwest Virginia. How do we change that? How do we keep our children here? I grew up next to my grandparents and my friends grew up next to their parents, but you know, my parents and my best friend's parents were all friends. We're losing that. And how do we keep our children here? at least give them an opportunity to make that decision to stay. It's up to them in the long run, but at least give them the opportunity. So, we need to look at jobs that fit in with with who we are. And some people think I'm a little bit crazy sometimes, but um you know, that Lego facility, Rolls-Royce plant, whatever it may be, it doesn't fit in with with who we are. It would change us, and we don't want that. But let's look at some things that that that actually fit in. Of course, Blue Catfish is taking off. Some people thought I was absolutely crazy bringing that up. Everyone had studied it for long enough. When you start to get up the rivers towards Tapahhanic, it's 75% of the fish biomass and they eat everything from shad to rockfish to herring. They they eat enough peanut bunkers, as I called them, the small manhaden every year where they spend most of their life in the upper reaches of the river. They

pres prevent 1 million tons from reaching adult size and and entering the Chesapeake Bay each year. Omega pulls at 58,000 tons. That's a big difference. They eat enough blue crabs in an area of the James River. I think it's two to three million crabs a year in a five mile stretch. Have a picture of one about this long. It has about 23 crabs in. So it is actually it's the number one threat to the bay. They're catching them right out here like crazy. And they've become more saltwater tolerant. The state record now is about 140 pounds. So how do we how do we you know that's a negative. So, how do we turn that around? And of course, created the blue catfish flash freeze um processing and to get dollars into waterman's pockets. I created that in the general assembly. Originally went at 400,000. I've got it increased. Well, went back to 250,000. We've had one grant awarded here in the middle peninsula. This past year, I was able to increase that to 500,000. I'm going to ask for more because we need more money to do that. Creating jobs, creating businesses. I'm actually working with prison systems now for inmates to be able to process. Um, it helps with recidivism, workforce development. Um, sell it to other states in their prisons and send it to our schools and get rid of a problem. But it also helps our watermen in our in our seafood industry as well. Of course, healthc care is number one um employer in our district. Actually what when you look at employers healthc care is number one Walmart's number two the paper mill's number three I think Canon and folk room are both in there then after that it's service sector grocery stores and some lumber yards um so we need to invest in healthcare start earlier educating our children and that's part of some of the programs I brought up in the rural health transformation program to start healthc care opportunities in our schools at an earlier age to give them the opportunity to stay here was

able to create a synography program at at RCC because there was a need within our hospitals. Um it's been a great program and one of their number one programs now and doing very very well. Of course, you know, the flooding and resiliency we we have problems with with that all across the district and you know, of course, representing a thousand miles of shoreline. It's destroying your tax base. um you know with these eroding properties and um we were able to um actually quite a few things from many many many different ways to be able to um address that. Of course I I changed the living shorelines bill a couple of years ago to bring down the cost of living shorelines which can run up to $650 a linear foot.

It can bring those costs down in some cases by 80%. And because of that legislation, we have 39 companies that want to do business in Virginia. 19 of those here in the middle peninsula. And we're looking at establishing a I would call it a resiliency industrial park where those businesses can come together. They can collaborate. They can solve problems. You're looking at scientists, engineers, contractors solving the problem for the middle peninsula, Virginia, and for the world. We've even taken, of course, down, you know, down Deltaville especially with dredging. Um, we were we were able to take the 8 million I got into the Virginia Waterway Maintenance Fund, get that moved over to VMRC to make it easier to get those dollars to dredge those creeks because the federal government used to dredge. They no longer do it. And because, you know, earmarks went away. So, we need to find the dollars to be able to do it. So, we're looking at starting our own municipal dredge program here in the middle peninsula to address this. the problem that you run into and even though I streamlined the the dredging regulations, you got to find a place to put it. So, you're dealing with the core of engineers to try to find a way to where to put that dredge material. So, we now have a company that's part of one of those 19 companies that wants to locate here that can take that that material and turn it into an aggregate material very much like concrete. You can also use in living shorelines. Um, oysters will strike on at 100 to one over granite, which is typically used in living shorelines. Um, so we're we're we're working very hard and getting that project going, we're get these creeks dredge ready so we can get that done. But what what we're able to prove is for every one foot change in the negative depth when these creeks fill in, for every one Yeah. For every one foot change, there's a 14% decrease in property value along that. So, we can fix this problem. It's going to help the tax base. We're solving a problem. We're

also creating jobs out of it and able to you to build living shorelines in the long run. Um, of course, you know, um, pharmacies and pharmacy deserts across the Commonwealth is a big problem. Pharmacies are closing thing up because of reimbursements. So, we're studying that in the joint commission. I have some ideas around Orisa out of a lawsuit to be able to address that in the upcoming session. And um so be prepared for that. That's something not not as much here in Middle Sex, but when you look around the state, you have people that are having to drive 40 to 50 miles just to get to a pharmacy. So I'm I'm really working on that. Um I'm not going to get into all the the payments and things, but I thing is is I I I'm constantly trying to think up things. So was this I guess what's today? Tuesday. I guess Sunday night we had the late football game. No, it was. Yeah, Sunday night late football game. I had finished a project. I'm watching it and you've heard me talk about fragmmites. Are y'all all familiar with fragmitees? The invasive grass that we no one likes. It's big problem. Big problem. How do we how do we turn that into an industry? And in doing the research, you can actually take the fragmitees and turn it into a biomass material. the fuel pellets that you see and sell it. There's equipment that you can drive across the marshes. The cushions, they're pretty cool to look at. They just go right over the marsh. You can't even tell they were there. You harvest it, you put it in a hopper, you spit out the fuel pellets, you can sell it for biomass. Now, in starting to look at that, the nitrogen and phosphorus that that fragmitees sucks up sucks up more than anything else I think out there. But what guess what? It dies. it goes back in there. So if you harvest it, you're pulling out the nitrogen, you're pulling out the phosphorus, and then you take and you sell it as a

biomass material, and you remove it out of the Chesake Bay wershed. And something I'm starting to work on now is how do we stitch the credits together very much like I did with the forestry and the carbon credits um and to get it out of the watershed. So when I started to do the research and the amount of energy that harvesting 1,000 acres of fragmitees and the energy it can produce, it's enough to power 2,000 homes a year. And think about the thousands and thousands and thousands of acres we have here in the middle peninsula. And then you're solving a problem. You can actually make money off of it. And thus start to look at these wastewater treatment facilities in our urban areas that are having to pay tremendous amount of money to get the nitrogen phosphorus. Sometimes they're paying $40 a pound to get rid of it out of their waste treatment facilities. So, we're we're one just expect more on that as we move forward. And of course, septic um I've talked to some folks yesterday about that. We have two prototype systems here in the middle peninsula that I was able to fund through the general assembly to design, study, maintain these systems so VDH can purchase them. I mean, VDH can can actually permit them, sorry. And they're totally above ground. All of the treatment is above ground. You get it out of harm's way, out of the flooded areas where typically now when you have to fix these septic systems, you go into that RPA area, you talk about a lot of money and a lot of headaches where the locality now all you will really need is pretty much a variance to get that through. So, it's protecting property values, solving a problem. We're working now on getting the nitrogen phosphorus um down to a level um to where no nitrogen or phosphorus is actually going into the bay as well. That's a gamecher to get a system like that down to about the cost of a conventional system. That's a gamecher in an area where we're known as

the land of failed septic systems on the east coast. Of course, Coleman Bridge was a is was a big deal. We got the tolls off of that. We have a number of folks that u use that bridge each and every day. And then the Norris Bridge, that was a huge deal to get that done. Of course, I I passed the in critical infrastructure bill in 2019 to be able to launch that, then work with the secretary on this to be able to get it through and co-sponsor um Senator McDougall's legislation to get that done. So, we're finally, you know, that's what, eight years ahead of schedule, I believe. So, it we didn't even think we would ever get it done. So, that's that's that was a tremendous feat to be able to really pull that off. Um, and of course the what what it does is I I believe it allows 200 million um in revenue bonds up to a billion dollars I believe for a total of $200 billion. Um, of course we're having some issues with FEMA and I think Mr. Walker, you've heard about that and I'm still working on this where FEMA actually comes in and audits the locality on their flood plane ordinance. And part of FEMA's what FEMA basically comes in is and says, "Show me the permits for any disturbance in the flood plane." So, we had one area where a VOTE bridge was built. Well, it's not the locality's responsibility to issue those permits, but the locality's responsible. FEMA is saying the locality is responsible for overseeing the issuance of any and all permits in that activity. If you put a shovel in the ground, if you have broadband, if there's a culbert pipe that the state does, FEMA can ding the locality. And guess what? They ding you once, kind of get a warning. They didn't ding you twice, guess what? They may come in and increase the flood insurance to everyone in that locality across the board. So, we're working with FEMA now. um actually got an email from DCR. I've

been working with DCR and finally finally um we're we're going to have some public comment on what we call the RAD process to give guidance to local governments. Know we've been working on that for quite a while but finally I got that yesterday to be able to have that to for a DCR to at least give guidance to localities what they can they can't do and and to create the model ordinances because localities they were throwing their hands up in the air had no earthly idea what to do. Um, of course, permitting is a big problem with our um, say BMRC and those areas. So, I'm continuing to work on that to streamline that process. And I will say, and I'll say it publicly, VIMS is a scientific adviser to the Commonwealth on flooding and resiliency. But I will say they're not the expert. They don't have the soil scientists. They don't have the engineers. they don't have those folks to to give VIMS the I mean to give VMRC the guidance that's properly needed. So I'm I'm had some legislation and oh my gosh it it blew up, but I'm still continuing to work on that um to be able to streamline that. The um of course the DMV select program is very important to our localities. A number of them are closing down because they weren't I mean there were costs in our localities. So, I was able to get budget language in for DMV to do do a do a review of the cost benefit um do a costbenefit analysis for our localities and and for the state because that's important out here in our rural areas. It's very important our rural areas that that we keep that going. Um, of course, the number one thing that that actually drives me crazy is bureaucracy. Um, we pass laws in the Commonwealth. we expect certain things to be done and then once it goes down the chain and they implement the regs and then how those regulations are interpreted and people hold you up. That's what really kind of gets under my skin a little bit because that wasn't the intent of the

initial law. We've even had bureaucrats try to derail things that we're working on behind the scenes with some of the non-government organizations which doesn't sit well with me. But I'm very nice um in how I approach it. I'm usually one of the nice guys up there. But we've got to learn to get along and we need to understand each other and to solve the problems because that's that really I look at it as my job in the general assembly to solve problems um and to look out for the people here. So with that I can I can keep talking. That was very quick and I skipped over a lot of stuff but um thank you all so much and appreciate everything y'all are doing.

Thank you for being here today and updating us on what's going on. And yeah, I know you have a busy plate of what you're working on and I'll just say um we want to be number one on your list.

And and Mr. Chairman, I look at it I mean appreciate, you know, Middle Sex County, but I look at everyone I look at it holistically as the entire Middle Peninsula being number one. Then I then I drill down from there. Um because this district actually unlike many in the in the in the state, it does make sense. Um you know, we're between the two rivers. Our economies and our challenges and opportunities are all very similar. And finally, we're really getting our localities start to work together very well on many of these issues. So, we can see that as well. And we're working with quite a few other counties as well. So, thank you for being here today. We appreciate it. And don't stay a stranger, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to say something, man.

Sure. Appreciate all that you have done. And uh I would just like to say one thing. If you do the math, if you do away with a car tax, all right, that's some revenue that's not going to come in. You got to get it from somebody else. So, something else going to have to go up. That's right. And I I just wanted to just, you know, say that uh I I How is that going to work? I mean,

and and if if I may, Mr. Chairman, um that's what I was saying. If if we do away with the local level, we've got to find a way to make that up somehow at the state level. and to be able to make it work. So, you know me, I'm going to try to navigate through a problem and try to solve it. Um, I remember the head of DEQ saying one time it can't be solved. He said, "Good luck." We solved it. I said, "Don't ever tell me that, but we'll we'll find a way to make it work." But the localities have to be whole. And just like I didn't even bring up the composite index. We've been working on that for a while. And that's I mean, that's tough on you. It's tough on you. But if we make any changes, guess what? They're going to be 50% winners and 50% losers across Canada. So, we've got to find a way to make it work. So, it's it's actually equal and it's a tough job. That's why we haven't been able to get anywhere with it. But, um because they're going to be 50% winners and 50% losers. But, but thank you. Thank you really for everything. Always a pleasure.

Before you go, I got I got one question. Uh it's about real estate that we've been living in a time now that home values, you know, whether they're being overpaid or not. And I always been told you going to have to go to the top level for them to do anything with it. We find individuals paying money for homes now whether it's worth that or not. You know half a million dollar 700,000 in the bottom areas they'll come to Mil County. Then we talk like we're going to do a reassessment to make it right. And I don't know how this thing going to work because what is the value of something that if you go out and pay for this real estate, you come to Milstix County and you might move to somewhere else. So if you sitting and and this just we know it's factual and we're not doing anything about it. We see, you know, you pull a sentinel out and look at some of the real estate taxes or homes that is being bought and being purchased. The first thing you wonder is where they at, what people are paying this money yet. We haven't tried from what I can see to grab a hold on to it. You know, I I had one question about the fact if you pay a million dollars for something, you buy a home and you know what the taxes would be on if it was a million dollar home that you paid for because it's real estate. But yet you could go to a locality and look at the uh real estate taxes on that home and it might be $500,000 now because people can get just about any value they want. If if if if you got it and I want it, guess what? I'm going to get it. And that's the kind of thing we had now. We're saying by reassessments, we going to make it right. And I told the guy because we getting our property reassessed. You know, the county is getting it right now. I simply told him and anybody else, you're not going to get it right because what you're going to do is the uh people

that have retired and the income, you know, they could fix that in my lifetime. I I could fix it pretty easy because I would just put the tax on. You pay for it, you buy it, and everything will be balanced. But look how many jobs that we'll be doing away with if we done something like that. So all of a sudden all the reassessments and stuff, where would it be at? I think uh uh uh brother Bill was talking about a percentage say if you can get it right percentage would be the way to go but it's look like it's an area that nobody want to tackle.

Sure. And and thank you if I may Mr. Chairman many localities have tried and and really to assess at the current market value which I believe is the way it's supposed to be now with general assembly supposed to be current market value. The problem is is to do that. And if you do that, there going to be some winners, there going to be some losers. And that's that's that's the biggest challenge. And how to answer to the constituents and the people you represent when you've we you've assessed it at that value. Um, and you know, part of the problem it goes back to the composite index. We have this waterfront land where people are purchasing it. They're making their money in the urban areas. They're buying it up either weekend cottages or they're retiring here. driving up those home prices, but yet with those real estate values and what are we now at free free and reduced lunch is probably 60% or so. So in an area where you have those property values, but yet we have 50 60% free and reduced lunch. It doesn't make sense.

We're kind of in a land that it it just doesn't fit. And at some point, I do believe we've got to get back to assessing the the property at its current market value and basing your, you know, your real estate property taxes on that. It's going to be a struggle and it's a struggle if you do it. It's a struggle if you don't do it. But at some point, we've got to come together and each locality has to come together on their own to be able to kind of solve that. And the and the thing is is with, you know, as far as taxation, you're limited on on what you can do. You can do real estate taxes, personal property taxes, car tax, and that's about it. So, you've got to make yourself whole as well. But it's it's tough. It's tough. You know, we can't we can't tell someone that, all right, you can't buy that home for a million dollars. It's only going to be $700,000. So, who takes the hit? The one that owns that house. that was looking for that maybe to retire. So, it's a it's a challenge.

I don't I wish I I wish I knew the answer. I'm sorry. Yeah. You know, and and I looked at it and I look at it a little bit simpler than what you are because I'm saying that if you pay for it, you know what the tax and the tax rate is, but they're they're the ones who controlling it. So, we can't make a decision based on it because you're paying 62% on whatever it is and I overpay for a house and the bank loan me the money for it because I got it. And it's not a big problem because if a person know that this is what this house is valued at then that's what they pay different from car taxes itself. Sure. You know um car taxes all maybe should be the same thing but that's a day that's a horse for another race.

And so we're looking at purchasing based what you're looking at is basing taxes off what the purchase was. Yeah.

The problem is is you have how how many pieces of land have been in, you know, been in the family for generations that's worth that much and they don't want to sell it because, you know, it might be theirs property with a number of owners when they could sell it for a million dollars, but this got bought a place over here for a million dollars. What do you do? Because we have we have a number of people that are, I would say, land rich and cash poor. And that's that's the challenge because the property may be worth a tremendous amount of money over here, but generating the cash to pay those taxes is the challenge because it's purchased over here for a high price and it's driving up their their property values. So it's that that that's that's that's that to me that's the challenge and because we have a number of of um you know and the same thing happens not only with taxes it also happen to septic systems where you have air's property where they've got to fix the septic system. Cousin Sally may live there you have a number of people that that you know are in ownership with it but they don't want to pay the money to fix the septic system. She got a fail septic system. So it that and then that affects your property value. So it's I mean there's so many of these issues and we it's a challenge.

Wish I knew and I wish I knew the answer. All I'm asking is just for one you pay for it, you pay taxes on it. So that's all I'm saying. You deal with the other stuff when you deal with it. We know the loopholes that if you got plenty of land, you put it in some type of uh state or whatever you want to do. It's designed for people that got land, okay, that want to be able to keep the land. So the design is there. It's crossing the road that if it's there and you pay for it and this is what it is, then I I just see it as as being a simple way when we sit in a room and all will do something complicated when I know if I pay that price for that home

and you got a house right beside me. I can't look at you and drive your value up because the value we do in a cluster. So we get all the houses up and you pull everybody value up. Well, if they did it right, you wouldn't have to worry about everybody value because that'll be the price you paid. And these all these reassessment, the bankers going to lend you what you got anyway because they did it for years. They're going to learn some of the money and some of them they're not going to learn the money, you know. And that's the way it been all my lifetime, you know, over 70 something years. That's where I see it, you know. Mr. Krenner. Uh, yeah. I just, uh, I just want to say, Mr. Hajes, it was good to see you on that Danville trip. Sure. Bring that up. I I I uh I got some ideas on that.

Good because I was I was amazed at what they were doing up there and I would certainly like to like to see something like that be brought to this part of the state. Thank you. It was great to be there but of course it gets my mind thinking in different ways to duplicate that what what they have won't work here because it creates a pipeline for industries that we don't have. Right. So they're just going to be moving and working away. I'm actually already have some ideas and in discussions with some things about some things to do something similar,

right? That's I'm saying like marine related trades, that sort of thing. Something that would we we have we have uh we have places in I know in in this county that would love to hire people who are trained in those trades and they just can't get them. And so that would be a that would be a great thing for us. Keep those kids here.

But thank you. I mean what they what they've done and y'all are going to talk about it in a little bit I'm sure and what they do but it's absolutely incredible. Of course they had money. Um but you know when looking at that I think in the two counties when I talked to the director um just in those two counties over the last few years 8,000 jobs were created in those two counties. Heck I'm looking for 80 jobs and I'd be happy. Seriously, we'd be happy with 80 jobs and that would be one of our top employers in the entire district because we only have 38 employers with 50 more people in six counties. And that's a big deal. So, I'm looking at it in a kind of different way using some of the components that they have, but also tying it in and doing the training and workforce development in some of these industries that we're looking to develop, many of which I didn't even talk about today that fit in with who we are. same model but training them in different areas. So it's

Thank you. Glad to do it. That was that was a good day. Thank you, Delegate Hodes. Appreciate you coming and we'll see you again. Well, thank you. I'd love to stay I've got to actually do the same thing, be down at Gloucester here in a little bit. So, okay. Thank you. Take care. All right. Um back on uh our agenda, the um uh item four agency and staff reports, VDOT is a report only. Uh social security is a report only and school matters. Uh Dr. Sykes, would you come forward just for a minute? I know there's no report here per se. Um

yes, sir. I think some of you were shown um November 18th and 19th of the two dates that we're looking at. So that's for a second work session first I say work session maybe just a joint meeting between both boards where for the um high school renovation um that's on the 21st we have the well we have the joint board meetings next week Tuesday 14th 5:00 p.m. Middle Sex High School. Yes. We will be prepared to feed you through half of that meeting also. Correct.

And I was going to discuss that during my report. Mr. Chairman, we had an opportunity to get together, Dr. Sites and I earlier. We can do it on the 19th. Water authorities in this room on the 19th. We need to meet at their place. Or you can meet on the 18th. Okay. It did appear that the 18th and 19th were both available. I was trying to avoid someone's birthday on the 18th, but that's okay. So, is your group able to meet what? November, November 18th and 19th. We decided in our committee meeting that after we had this first joint

meeting together that we would likely need some time to kind of decompress, process, and then come back for a second work session given that we've got the holidays coming up. We looked at the November calendar and had November 18th and 19th. And I just found out from Chennai this evening that the 18th and 19th works for the board of supervisors. It also works for the school board. So, we really can make this decision right now on the 18th or 19th. Well, Mr. Chairman, the 19th will work. Chip was telling me it used to be on that Wednesday. Now, it's not. So, we can meet in here if we want to on the 19th.

Okay. Uh the canvasing of your board uh is it one day better or worse than the other? No, both of those days worked. 18th or 19th? Um does both those days work for you? I personally would prefer the 19th uh for us to both to get together. That works. Okay. Can we we'll we'll set that in stone then. The 19th and I'll communicate that to the school board also. Does that work? And that's for a second. And what time is that going to be? That will be at 5:00 pm also. And it sounds like we'll meet here. Okay. 19th and here at 5 19th of November.

Correct. Because we already have October 14th as our first joint meeting and that is at Middle Sex High School. Correct. Starting at 5 p.m. Okay. That sounds like a plan.

Yeah. If five doesn't work. Mhm. Does that work better for everybody? Six better me, but I don't know. I either one's fine with me. I could be here close to five. Doesn't matter to me. Whichever. And and I'm sure if our board's available at 5, they're available at 6. So, okay. All right. We'll we'll wait uh for you and Matt to clean that up and decide. Five or six. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Anything else for Dr. Sites? Okay. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Karen, for being here as well.

Okay. Uh, item D, 4D, airport update, Mark Flynn and Richard Lewis, comprehensive agreement amendment. Yeah. Uh, good afternoon members of the board. You have before you a proposed amendment requested by DELC Corp. The change is that you'll recall that in the original negotiations, the board agreed to not require performance bonds um and instead to just withhold payments for any of the work until all everything was done. Well, I don't know how much actual project progress has been made. A fair amount I think the pudding has been pou well the slab is in. They're re removing the burm right now today. Uh I was told building steel should show up on Friday.

Right. So so you know the work is being done. I'm not seeing any indication of problems from Del Cororp's side. So, Del Cororp has come in and asked um that that and another part the last time with the runway the county didn't put in payment requests to the department of aviation which is entitled to do until the whole project was over and got the money and then there was a little bit of a kurfuffle about the money going to Delore. Okay. So this normally what SP air counties do is as the work is done they apply to the department of aviation for progress payments because the grants's been approved. It's the money is the money is the counties subject to just showing that the work is done. So this time the first payment request has been submitted. Uh it'sund it's less than $150,000 if I remember correct

137,000. Yeah. So, uh, so the request then is that instead of holding all the money to the end that when the Department of Aviation reimburses the county for like this $137, the original agreement was or the original proposal was that the county would withhold 20% of each reimbursement until the end so that if there was some problem that it could use that money to finish the project. Um, and one member has requested that we make an amendment to that, change it. And so this is another way of getting at the same thing. And that proposal would be that on the first on this first $137,000 reimbursement. Um, Del Cororp would get 100% of that and then the county would withhold 25% of each subsequent payment request. I have not run the money to to run the numbers to see how that comes out. It it may not be a significant difference. I have a gut feel that it's not a significant difference. But anyway, as I understand it, Del Cororp is meaningable to either route that you all choose to go if you choose to make an amendment. Um, you know, if it was, this is the this is one of those things that is, if this was some contractor from Charlotte, North Carolina that came up here and do it to do a project, then I would really recommend against it. But given that it's that the owner of the corporation lives on the on the at the airport and has his own major project that will be great that's the new hangers that which are going to be bigger hangers, bigger aircraft and all of that that he has such a strong incentive to make this

work. uh because it would not be good for him to get into a fight with the county about not getting paid uh or not getting the work done that that there's some I would recommend to you all that you entertain an amendment like this one. So that's where we are. Uh you right now on the table are two options. This one up here is that the county would just withhold 20% of each reimbursement request. Uh, and then the alternative which I've given to Heather and I do have hard copies here of the pages they they don't really it's it just says the first payment request he gets 100% every following one he we keep 25%. Um, so those are the options. That's sort of where we are.

One thing I did that I haven't had a chance to talk to Mark about yet, but Mr. Barber talked to me yesterday and said since the building steel is showing up on Friday, he was going to include that price in the first payment. So that would go up. So if we're talking about $400,000 Yeah. on that first payment, it would not be subject to 25 if he amends the first payment. Yeah. First payment request. So we may want to So you might be better off. That's the first time hearing of that. So, I I would recommend the board keep with the current uh drafted agreement.

So, from the county's perspective, you might be better off with just the 20% on each one. Uh but but again, it's I I would recommend we just stay with amendment as drafted in your packet if that's the case. Well, what I'm what I'm hearing here now is a percentage would hold back of what we get from the aviation.

Yes, sir. But I could have sworn I read something in there about that Middle Sex would be their contribution would be a certain amount of like a draw too as well. Well, the way the way it works is that the we agreed to the county had already agreed that whatever the department provides, the department of aviation provides that goes to Delore and the department say on the it's the easy one is on the ramp and taxiway that's 90% funding from the department of aviation. So under the under the agreement that's not being changed here uh each the county would have u 5% respondent would pay the 5% and Delcorp would eat the other 5%. Uh on the on the terminal it's a little different percentage because of the way the funding but that's that's the way that works. Yeah.

Okay. The maximum amount maximum contribution for Middle Sex County is $250,000. Correct. Right. And at one point in time, there was not going to be any draws off that 250 until the project was finished. That he would well that he would not get any of the money. That Delcort would not get any of the money. Uh the county would have been free to do progress payment requests. Uh but but yeah, that's right. Okay. And and now we're looking at giving up they it's already already done. They were giving up the aviation money right away as the project proceeds.

Uh I don't no sir I don't think so. Um well yet giving it up in the sense that it goes to Del Cororp within directly rather than us holding it till the end of the project. We pass it through. Yes sir. Right. Okay. So the original agreement then was what we got from the aviation would go direct through us and directly to Del Cororp as the project went along as a receipt payment. The original agreement was

okay at the end. Right. That's what I was Okay. So now what we're looking at is whatever money we get from the aviation goes direct goes through the county and directly to Dale Corp. 100% of whatever we receive. I actually no the amendment that you have the one that's up here is that he gets 80% of each of the reimbursement requests and the county withholds 20% until the very end until there's a U certificate of occupancy for the building and substantial completion

and that same philosophy would also be utilized for the $250,000 max contribution the county would be liable. It does not change that that and in this amendment it confirms that it's still 250 max. But will that 250 remain with the county until after the project's completed? When the cos are issued, then that's the only time any of that $250,000 will be tapped. Well, the 250,000 is actually only a maximum exposure for the county in this whole project. Okay. So if somehow it became a $5 million project, then the county's maximum exposure would be $250,000. That's the part.

And originally, we would only get into that $250,000 once the project was complete or CO's issued. Now, are we looking at diving into that $250,000 sooner on this project?

Well, no. I'm sorry. The the $250 is a different issue. That's the That's the amount That's the maximum amount the county will have to pay for this whole project regardless. But but until the pro as the project goes along, uh if you all say accept this amendment, then as is a normal thing for an airport project or any project really, the the the contractor submits a payment request. We review the county reviews it uh ultimately signed off submitted to the department of aviation. the Department of Aviation reviews it and might, you know, they might want to talk about some numbers, but they end up stroking a check to the county. And so then the whis what this amendment says is when we get that say it's a $400,000 check um then we would to then the county would turn around and write a what is that 300 uh $320,000 check to Delore and would hold uh the 80,000.

So Mark I I think I'm gonna jump in real quick. So the question I I I'm hearing you that's two separate issues, but if I if I may, I think the question the board has and Mr. Harris is trying to articulate is when does the county have to contribute that 250? I know it's not going to be a lump sum of 250,000, but can you walk the board through So I've submitted a payment request, right? I'm Oscar. I've submitted the payment request, came back. When do when does the county have to stroke a check?

Right. So it's so the county doesn't have to spend any money as these progress payments go along the money just gets the the 80% gets sent to Delor the county is holding the 20 and then when the department when the project is completed the department of aviation has said that's all the money you're getting then and and Del Cororp has provided a certificate of occupancy and substantial and then substantial completion on the the ramp and taxi way then then it's on it's the county's obligation to release that money the the 20% withheld to Delh and then uh let's say that there was uh $400,000 on the project that that the Department of Aviation did not fund at all

but was correctly built and was appropriate correctly built and by the way I have a little language in this amendment that if the department of aviation rejects anything the county has no responsibility for paying for any work that that it does. That's just a little side, you know, in case we got gold faucets or something. Um, and not that we are. I mean, you know that, but nonetheless, um,

it's just a little a little parachute I have in there. Um, so, so anyway, the there's a there's $400,000 that the Department of Aviation for this project that's all good properly owed that the Department of Aviation is not going to pay for. Then the county would the county share would be $200,000 of that we would that the county would have to pay Delorp and and then the rest Delorp has to pay. So, but then if it was but that pro that process that you just described would not happen until after substantial completion co and so on and so on. Yes, sir.

And let's say it was um $800,000 that the department didn't pay because it got really really expensive under this amendment and under the agreement the county's obligation would only be $250,000 not 400. So let's turn it down and say that they didn't fund 100,000. What were the counties? 50. Yeah. So, it's just it's the county is on the hook for 50% of what the department doesn't pay until it hits a ceiling of 250. County's obligation ends. Thank

you for that clarification, Mark. Any other questions? Just seems like to me we would if we're not going to have a bond. We the way it was set up gave some protection to Middle Sex County. Now we're going back to where we're basically doing draws on completion, but we're going to hold middle sex money until the end for sure. They might get some Delor get some aviation money instead of us holding all that back, but they're not going to get any middle sex money until cos are issued. Yes, sir. And then the department's money is the line share of the funding on this thing.

Any other questions? Uh, county attorney, are you good with the agreement? She like I know what she like. Yeah, I was going to say I mean that's a bit of a loaded question. So, how about this? Um, I believe that it's it's an appropriate legal format. I have reviewed it. Um, I do not have any issues with the wording or the formatting as presented by Mr. Flynn. I think the question for the board is how much do you want to hold back or do you even want to do this amendment? That those are my questions I have for y'all. But no, sir, I don't have any further changes to his document. Any other questions?

Mr. Harris is correct. Okay. Um, a motion would be in order to approve and I guess it's 2025001. No.

Okay. Is there a mo motion to change the um um the amendment that we have with uh or resolution from the original to this revised one?

Maybe a different way to say that is the the first question is is well there's two questions. Do you wish to make this amendment? And if so, it appears there's a question on how much you would withhold. Are you going to withhold 20% as Mr. Flynn is prepared and it's before you in your packet right now on the payments or are you going to give Mr. Bar Mr. Barber the first payment in its entirety the $400,000 approximately and then the second payment would be a withhold of 25,000 I understand there's two different things here 25% 25% I did not have that all that information when I talked okay

with Mr. Flynn there. So I given that figure we would withdraw that. I didn't do any research or anything with that figure. Okay. So okay. So it sounds like we're back to the original proposal. Mr. Mr. Flynn as as written. So it would be if it's the board's desire, Mr. Flynn, you weigh in if I get the motion wrong. Uh the the board uh a motion would be appropriate to adopt resolution R2025-011. This is a resolution authorizing amendment number two to the comprehensive agreement dated June 4th, 2024 between Middle Sex County and Delaware Corp as presented in the board's packet.

Ask one more question. Um, we're it looks like because of the work is progressing and we're getting things done and there's some material coming now, whatever, which is good. There's going to be a lack of a better term I guess now we say a draw requested for around $400,000 if the department of aviation sends a check for 190. What happens? Um again if they I mean actually I think that they're the check would be for 400

um and then they'll withhold at the back end. I think that's what they'll do. But um so if it's for 400 they'll and they they'll write a check for 400 to the county and then the county's obligation is to send a check for 80% of that within 30 days to Delore. Okay. Did you say the first draw was 100%. Then after the first draw is 80%. Uh the first No, no, sir. for this amendment that you have before you. It's the county with only turns over uh 80% of each draw to Okay. and keeps 20% of each draw of each payment.

I will have to pay when the project will have to be complete at the end. Yes, sir. Correct. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I I um move that resolution 2025-011 be approved. Mr. Krennan has made the recommendation uh the motion. Is there a second? Second.

Motion made by Mr. Krennon, second by Mr. Will Williams. Any other discussion before I call roll call on that? You and I have had this discussion. Not sure if you and I have. I think we have. We don't like surprises. number one. And it'll be awful tough for us to amend any other agreement coming forward. We're all clear on that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Roll call, please. Mr. Kinden? Yes. Mr. Jesse? Yes. Mr. Williams? Yes. Mr. Bill Harris? Yes. Mr. Don Harris?

Yes. Motion is approved. Thank you, gentlemen.

Yes, sir. And if I may, if you'll give me just a moment. Delegate Hodes is here. You know, I've worked with him. I lobby for the Virginia Municipal League. Been doing that for years and worked with him since the day he came in the house. I really love him. I was going to hope to make kid him about the fact that, you know, all these areas that he has to work in. It's pretty intense and a lot of work, but the pay is good. It's $17,000 a year. Thank you, gentlemen. Okay, moving right along. Um, ARM resource update, Mr. Bob Hunley. Welcome, sir.

And Mr. Chairman, I introduced Bob to the board. He's been with us, I think it's been about eight months ago, maybe earlier. Uh, Resource International, I will always know them by that. It's ARM Group now. They are our uh engineer that handles our groundwater and air monitoring at the landfill. And in light of some of the concerns addressed by the uh community, Mr. Major in particular uh regarding the solar project, I felt it was a good opportunity to have him come and give the board an update and maybe answer questions about vinyl fluoride and other things along that nature to allay any concerns potentially that the public and or the board may have. Bob, welcome back.

Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Uh, Mr. Chair, members of the board, um, as mentioned before, I am Bob Hunley with ARM Group. Um, we are formerly Resource International and have been working with the county for many years. Um, I've put together this presentation to walk us through where we are with respect to postclosure care monitoring of a landfill. Um so the goals uh I always like to talk about how do we exit postclosure care? We exit postclosure care by solving two problems and that is groundwater monitoring issues and landfill gas issues. Um we've had a lot of success with respect to landfill gas at this facility over the years. Uh we have had some uh blips on the radar where landfill gas has popped up and high readings uh recently and I think I responded um last time around by telling you what we had done to try and address landfill gas and I think there will be some photographs in here as well. Um groundwater is something that we have to monitor by regulation uh per the DEEQ groundwater requirements that are in the solid waste management regulations. We do monitor uh groundwater on a semiannual basis. Typically we monitor groundwater in June and then we come back and monitor it in December. We have to put together reports at the end of each of those sampling events and then the annual report is um produced and given to the department of environmental quality each year to update them on the status of groundwater monitoring. If we go to the next slide please.

So this this map is uh showing you a few things here that um um I'd like to point out. The blue lines are lines of potentiometric surface. Um, those lines show you what the elevation of the groundwater is. Thank you. What the elevation of the groundwater is at each of those locations. And so they are, for lack of a better word, they are contour lines for groundwater. So that's what the darker, thicker blue lines are. And the um the general progression of those lines, as you might expect, works its way towards the water body, which we call the receiving water body down at the bottom of the map. And those red clouded areas are surface water monitoring points that we collect uh samples from each time we do a groundwater monitoring sampling event. The red box that you see there in the bottom right hand side is the area where we still have a problem. That is the only area where we are still seeing problems emanating from the landfill. Um we've talked about before solid waste and its biodegradation process. It it degrades over a long period of time. Um, the final constituent that it degrades to is vinyl chloride. Vinyl chloride, as as mentioned before, is a volatile organic compound, which means that when it's exposed to oxygen, it vaporizes. Um that red square or red rectangle

represents where we still have a well where we're getting results with vinyl chloride that is not at the groundwater protection standard level yet. Uh as has been mentioned um the readings there did you have a question sir? I did. Um yes sir. So you say that one's not exactly where it needs to be over how many sites testing sites.

So we have um I believe 16 wells total that we sample um throughout the landfill. So one other piece of explanation is you have to sample um by regulation one upgradient well which theoretically if it's upgradient it means that it's not affected by the landfill. So we have one well that's very close to the northern boundary uh northern property boundary which is the upgradient well. Those results are compared to the downgradient wells which are down further as you move as you move to to the south towards the water body um throughout the landfill. And so yes, that is the that is the only area where we're still seeing uh the vinyl chloride above groundwater protection standards. Um and as I mentioned before,

how many wells are in that area? How many are in

the box? How many wells? How many wells are in the box? Um I believe I just boxed in the one that we're still sampling there. That's just um M that is uh NES2R I believe. Um which is the well that we are still having the the vinyl chloride issue at. And if we and if we go to the next slide, I think that will show the um vinyl chloride results over time. or maybe not. Okay. So, yes. So, NES2R which is what was in that red rectangle. Uh we can go back to the other one. Yeah. Uh N2R is the only remaining constituent only remaining well with the vinyl chloride detection. Um and then I I think I mentioned those other two points. Um, and what I wanted to point out was that the last time I was here, we had done a sampling event in June, as I mentioned, which is our typical uh, frequency. Um, we don't get the results back immediately from the laboratory. So, the the graph that I showed at that point would have only included the results from the December sampling event, did not include the June event. So, um, some of the the things that we talked about at the last meeting about potential, um, remediation efforts that we could try to accelerate the degradation of vinyl chloride. Some of those were discussed um but we said okay let's see what the results come back on the June event and you know see if it makes sense to wait before we do any of those um higher cost um maybe maybe faster remediation uh there's there's never a silver bullet

that if you do this it's going to go down immediately so um so if we go to the next slide I think you'll see what I'm talking about. So at the last meeting um we were talking about that spike uh that had come in December of 24. Um and so you know what we showed then was a fairly level um trend line. It it was no real trend up or down. It was kind of middle of the road. um what we've seen since then since the um June 24 result the June 24 result came way down um the December 24 result was a little higher than the June 25 result has gone down again so we definitely see a trend downward uh the green line represents the groundwater protection standard so as has been mentioned before we are not uh down below the groundwater protection standard The good news is that uh as I mentioned before this is a normal part of the solid waste biodegradation process. Uh vinyl chloride is is the tail end of the degrading process for these um for solid waste. And the good piece about it is that in all of those surface water sampling areas, we've never detected any problems. We've never detected any vinyl chloride. We did have one hit on tuine once, but it was below the groundwater protection standard. Um, so we have never seen anything in the receiving water body that would indicate that we've got a problem leaving the site. Um, as I mentioned before, those blue lines of potentiometric contours,

those are showing you how groundwater is flowing and it eventually gets to the creek. The same thing happens on the other side of the creek. They typically uh it it pretty much follows topography. Occasionally it's a little different. So if the topography is running down to the creek, then the high point for the groundwater is going to be furthest away from the creek. Um so we look at things like this and say, okay, are we getting any hits in the receiving water body? No, we have not. Um, are there wells in the area that could be affected by this? Um, if there are um no hits in the surface water, then that's a good sign. The well that we sample as part of your regulatory requirement is Mr. Lackey's well, which again is upgradient of the landfill. So his well should not be affected by anything happening in the landfill because all of that material is working its way toward the creek. Um so potentiometric lines help us see where do we look for uh areas of receptors, where do we look for areas that need to be protected. Um, so this is a good sign that we're seeing a downward trend since the last report in July of 24. Um, we we are hopeful that over time those points are going to go closer and closer to the green line. Um, we do still have the option or opportunity to implement the um, remediation efforts that we talked about last time if if the board so chooses to move in that direction. Um, and I think I would maybe pause for any questions about groundwater because I'm going to go on to gas after this. your your readings um is there any

relationship to uh drought? Uh it seem me taking them in June.

Yes, sir. That's a that's a great question. Um so drought and weather conditions do affect um the overall potentiometric surface in the ground that we monitor. That's why we sample the the water elevation at each well. Um some years when there is a very long period of drought, we do have a hard time obtaining enough water from a well to get a qualifi a qualified sampling result. Um sometimes when a drought is occurring um we will have a hard time limiting the amount of soil particles that are in the water sample. um they refer to that as turbidity and if the turbidity is too high that can affect the results of the sample. It can sometimes give you a higher spike in metals. But fortunately in in this sampling event we we did not see any uh area that needed to be resampled. If if we ever see a problem where it looks some like something's out of line with previous data, we go back and take another sample. Um, but you're right, the drought conditions can affect the sampling that you perform.

So, if you're not able to get a proper sample, you just wait till December or do you come back after a rainy period or how does that work?

So, the the department has pretty strict requirements on how long you have to take uh samples. They require that you take them six months apart. Um, but if you are in a verifiable drought condition where you cannot get a sample, then they take that into account when they're evaluating your results. Um, but yes, you you're pretty much at the you're pretty much at mother nature back in fall. So, if we're giving a drought and there's not enough water in the wells to take a sample and then we wait months and we get back to normal rainfall and now we have enough water in the wells to accommodate a sample. It seems to me that that water is leeching through there pretty quickly.

I'm not sure I follow the question. I'm saying that in June we don't have enough water to get a viable sample in the well. saying you're saying hypo hypothetically. Correct. Okay. So, in 60 days we've had significant rainfall. Mhm. And now there is enough water in the well to be able to take a sample. It just seems to me that that water is leeching down through there fairly quickly.

Well, you have to remember that the water that's the water that's in these wells is not just coming from what falls on the landfill. It's being affected by the entire drainage area. So you you know when we put these things together we come up with a drainage area map and it might depending on what the drainage patterns are for this area it could be affected by a large number of acres. Do you happen to know how many feet of cover that's on the landfill?

Yes. The um uh the cover is approximately 4 feet total. So we have 2 feet of protective cover. Then there was 18 in of clay and then another 6 in of vegetative layer. So, it's 4 feet before we get to the um original solid waste deposition. So, in your experience, how far would it be safe to set a post, let's say, in there? Can we set a post two foot deep? Would that be a no? No.

Um, generally the department prefers that people do not penetrate the cap with any any sort of um you know, penetrations. Um, so if you know for for any sort of work that's typically done on a landfill, they like to see something that's ballasted as opposed to penetrating posts and and uh um those So they didn't want to see a post a foot in the ground then?

Not really. No, because when you put something in the ground on a on a landfill cap, you're basically creating a a preferential pathway for anything. Did you have a question, sir? No, actually that just kind of answered what I was ask myself. What kind of what kind of uh disturbance you could create there that would not cause a problem if you wanted to construct something on there that obviously it's going to require some sort of a footing, some sort of posts. And so if that would affect the the uh the the the VOCC's or whatever that that are going to be coming through,

right? Wherever we've wherever we've seen uh systems placed on closed landfills, we've typically seen ballasted systems where they're not using penetrations. They're they're using ballasts to hold things down. So they're not using penetrations. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I I just noticed when uh we viewed one in the album all kind of up and sh and they put it's p they pour cement p they pour cement on top put the poles in the cement and Yeah. Yeah. Then balance out. That's what they do. It's thick cement and even even the fence, right? Even the fence. Yeah. Everything that's on there is in cement.

Yeah. And the ground just letting you know. Yeah. It was everything was in cement. So really and up there I think they had like a a six foot cover but they added more filters. But see, ours been covered a little while ago because when I was on the board, they had postclosing and supposed to stop charging the county for all this stuff and then they changed the rate and it's been going on a long time. Yes, sir. And and costing the county a lot of money, right? So, you know, I'm just looking at, you know, if you pour Seaman on there and maybe generate some some revenue, maybe we can get some of this money back. we've been paying for over 20 some years when uh a lot of the board members were gone that when I was on there and they post closed it early just to say stop doing this and they they just kept moving it just kept moving a target on there

right but anyway uh you know come a long way since then and we're still paying so the the project that we glanced at I'll say or whatever that would be something along what Wayne's talking about that they not proposing penetration

yes sir so the way and and I'm going to asked Mr. Hunley to weigh in as well, but when we tooured the Dominion facility up in Alberal County, everything was ballasted in and I was shocked even the fences I thought the fence post would at least be in the ground. They are not. But both proposals received on the county project was a ballast system. Um, simply put, gentlemen, if these companies cause damage to our landfill that nine times out of 10, they're financially responsible for that cleanup. And so there is a huge incentive. Correct me if I'm wrong. That's correct. Those companies don't want to do that because obviously the landfill is a very sensitive area. And so um that's what's so innovative about this and what's so exciting because it was not that many years ago that we could not even consider this. But now I understand DEEQ even has guidance on it. Yes. And and so I'm going to let Mr. I think your firm has actually worked on a few of these. We've talked about it multiple times, but everything is above the cap. And at the Dominion Project, Wayne, didn't they say they've added like an extra 6 ft of field dirt to ensure that they had even more. Um, so we're still at the very early stages. Um, but it is a very sensitive area. We want to be mindful of that because we know the landfill is it's delicate to say the least.

But what has been your experience with these projects? you um what have you I mean I I understand them to be ballast I believe that's what DEEQ recommends right uh definitely they don't want penetrations

uh so the ballasted systems are typically what they prefer um and frankly that's the sort of thing they do whenever they have a situation where they don't want a penetration even if they're talking about like a flat roof I've been to a school situation where they put them on the top of schools that have a flat roof the the the old tar roofs or the membrane roofs and they'll ballast those as well. So, uh so there's not any sort of penetration of the roof which is typical in the residential installations more more typical in residential where they actually penetrate the roof. But um yes um the the DEEQ has come up with a permit by rule process for these sorts of things. Uh so they have encouraged, you know, the postclosure close post postclosure use of um facilities like this because they're a brown field and they don't have much use of for anything else.

I think like Wayne brought up, the county has been spending a lot of money trying to get this closed. We say 20ome years. if um do you see anything where these ballast type systems will um interfere with our trying to get the thing closed?

No sir. I think um if you know if if we are talking about continuing on the path we're on which is using the monitored natural attenuation meaning that you're going to continue sampling until you get to below the GPS groundwater protection standard for that constituent. If we're going to continue that route that's not an issue. Um the other piece of it is um if you wanted to try and accelerate the degradation of vinyl chloride at that particular well and you wanted to take a drill rig over there and do an injection. Um you're off of the landfill cap now. You're not in the area that was used for solid waste disposal. So you're not in an area. You would be in basically in a a virgin area of the site. So, um, the only the only counsel I would give on something like that would be to say with older sites like this where they've been here for a very long time, I would say we would probably want to do an exploratory boring just to make sure that we're not finding anything that might be outside of what we think the limits of disposal are. Um, that's the only caution I would give. Um, but we've we've in we've obviously installed these wells at this location and we didn't find anything when those wells were installed. So, we don't have any we don't have any expectation to find anything there if we were to try the accelerated route. Um, but again, the results we've had since July of 24 seem to be heading in the right direction. uh albeit not at the level that we want that we need them to be before we can petition the the state. Um as has been

mentioned before uh properly and correctly um we have to be three years at or below the GPS um before we can get out of groundwater monitoring with the state. Um yeah, I got a question. I mean, well, to me, if you go down and try to accelerate this now, you stirring up some more stuff in my mind. I'm just letting you know. So, I think you just let let nature takes it course in my opinion. I'm no expert on it. I'm just doing some commentary. And there's no guarantee that then there's no guarantee accelerate to a point, but my my opinion is return on investment

with the cap and everything. And you got something on top of it that's not degragating or messing anything. That's groundwater. I mean, you know, and and I wouldn't want to have something on there and I'm saying it'll mess the ground water and kill everything. That's not happening, right? So, if up your way up here and then they put a cover over on top of that and put that balance system in there, you're not harming it. You got grass growing on top of that. I mean, you know, I'm just looking at uh the best way to do this without harming the environment, right? So from your chart, I'm guessing the next testing will be sometime in December. Is that correct? You're you're right.

And from when you send those samples off, uh I must have missed it in uh your discussion. I know you said it's not a quick process, but it's typically a 10day turnaround. So if we Okay. It's not terribly long. Okay. Um, and it once that testing is done, I assume that you'll catch up with uh Mr. Walker or Ann Marie to give those results out. Yes, sir.

Because we'd like to see those as quickly as possible. Uh, this is just a general question. You know, I don't know that it's right or wrong, but based on your experience um with two questions. one with um landfills having solar placed on them. Uh from a general concept, has that created any problems um that that you'd like to enlighten us about? Well, I think number one, there haven't been a whole lot of them uh used in that capacity. I think you've mentioned the one that I'm very familiar with, which is the Ivy landfill up around Albam Marl County. Um there there have been a few others. Um I think the ballasted system is definitely the way to go. Um I don't think you should, you know, take any chances with penetrations of any kind. Um because that eliminates any sort of um second guessing. So, as long as you're staying above the cap, then you're not doing anything differently than any of the other activities that we perform out at the site on a annual basis.

And are is your firm also involved with any other county or municipal or whatever um in the conversion or dual application of solar and closing a landfill? Are y'all represent anybody currently with that? Um, I'm not sure if we do currently, but we have certainly we helped install uh one of the largest solar sites up in Maryland um back I think maybe probably six uh 10 or 15 years ago. Um so yes, we have a pretty good familiarity with that sort of work.

Okay. and me being uh maybe not as informed um as maybe Mr. Jesse, um, is what's going on here in Middle Sex, particularly from the closure of that site, and I know the size of the site, uh, and what was put in it or not put in it. I think all of those probably contribute to to something, but is it normal for us to be so long in getting this uh, site closed? And what's your opinion of why that's taken so long?

Right. Um, you're you're exactly right. It all depends on what was put in it. Um, and a lot of it depends on the soil types in a particular area. You're much further east than many counties. So, you're in a much sier soil um, uh, stratum that has a tendency to allow things to move, you know, quicker through through the soils. Um all of those sorts of things play into how long something is going to take. Um we did have um success in Gland County. Of course, you know, again, they're west of 95, so they're in the Piedmont. A lot of lot of different soil strata there. A lot of clay. Um, we did have success there petitioning to have them taken out of groundwater monitoring after a certain time, but but again, theirs had been at least 20 to 25 years. So, it's it's not atypical for the the situation that you find yourselves um from what we've seen.

Okay. Uh, you've lent me to one other question. Sure. with sand being a prevalent part of of the land and whatnot around here to me layman's view sand would result in quicker movement I would think of materials coming through that right through the process right I can understand a clay bottom being maybe a stretched out longer period of time Um it's somewhat disappointing that with stuff that can flow through this chemicals, water, whatever quicker.

Yeah. That you know again why would we steal 20 years later right in the this process of closing uh the landfill? You want to elaborate on that or best guess? My best guess uh could be, you know, the the m the type of material that was that was placed there over time. If there was a lot of hydraulic oil or or you know, any sort of, you know, oil changes, that sort of thing. If you've got hydrocarbons, uh typically um they are a lot longer in the soil than than maybe metals, that sort of thing. Okay. Question.

I'm not a question. more of a a comment. Uh several years ago when resource was here, they had recommended that we pursue on maybe a another cluster of monitoring wells off property. Um we would love the opportunity to work with some of the property owners south of the Beaver Pond, which the Beaver Pond's roughly that lower surface. Yes. Pretty much right below that

right below that red box. Yeah. Um, as sooner we can get those monitorals in, we can provide a good baseline of what it is now and then monitor that along with everything else along with uh our ongoing groundwater monitoring after the solar project's done if it's done. Uh but I think those monitoring wells would give us a much better picture of what's going on groundwater wise and uh if we can find a eating willing uh property owner that is concerned about it, we can maybe get one in and get one in relatively quickly. They're not that expensive to put in, right?

And the more data we have, the better because we felt like if we could give the state better data, that could help make the case on the groundwater monitor. We just got to prove that we're not seeing the results and those extra monitors would do that. Is that information you would need to coordinate with with uh this group or not? Uh it's not that much. If we could find a a willing property owner, I I could probably find that in doesn't mean a whole lot to me cuz my wife said it's not that much. Not that much. Was it like 13,000 for monitoring? Well, last time we less than that. It's less than that. So we less than what? I didn't hear the number. drill it. It's anywhere from two to five, right?

Yeah. We could probably find that within the existing budget if we had the property owner that would work with us get a seizement or some such. Okay. Yep. I'm not I'm not trying to put any property owners on. Think about it. You got a lot of other chemicals that out there.

I'm just saying, you know, because I love my farmers, but farmers do the no till there a lot of chemicals in there and they don't have to they don't have to go by the EEQ. Think about that. And and people say a lot of them things, but I'm going tell you, uh, you can't even get your creases out the garden like you used to a long time ago when I was young. They put they put the no kill, they put they put the special seeds and they kill everything and they don't plow. So there's a lot of chemicals that are going everywhere else. So you y'all can put all the wells down great where you want, but you going to get a lot of other things, too. So think about that when you talk about putting wells on other people property. You going you going to find more things that you don't want to find. These are these are being and then you got to figure out where they're coming from.

They coming from be in the woods. We we kind of had them scoped out. And we're just talking about generalities here right now. Yeah. I don't want to monitor any farms, but these are out in the woods where where the water goes into the stream, the low spots. I don't care what farm it is low spots. Well, that is common sense. When you get a big rain Yeah, I know. That water is going through the streams into your rivers. All right. Well, we'll we'll put our heads together and Well, we don't have a willing property owner, so it's moot now. But at this point,

I wanted to bring that up because I know we we kind of went hatinand a few years ago to try to find one because that was one single way we could expedite getting out from underground water is give them better data. And in order to give them better data, we had to have better wells. And the round the way that groundwater is moving, having a a monitor well further down by that red box was the number one recommendation I think we got from Resort. And uh that being said, that's all I had cuz I've seen right here on that red box many years ago that red box is falling. So and then you know just it's coming on down and now you got it right there on the end of this whole uh landfill. Yeah. I think we drove one as close as we could.

Right. Right. Right. There's still more to your presentation. Shall we move on to the next slide? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

No worries. Uh, so just to remind you on landfill gas, um, we have, uh, been successful in, uh, dealing with the issues we've been having at GP4 and GP3. Those are gas probes that we monitor on a quarterly basis. Um I believe there are uh approximately 10 of those 10 or 12 of those that we monitor. Those are just the two that we had the most issues with. So um what we found was that we felt like gas was escaping under the um landfill through a sand layer um and getting to GP4 and GP3. So, if you go to the next slide, we installed these gas vent wells. Um, I think it just skipped over. That's all right. So, we installed these gas vent wells that intercepted the gas in that sand layer. Um, they have been very successful. We have not seen any gas at GP3 or 4 since we installed these. So that has been a very successful uh venture and a fairly low cost. And then those are the pictures of the vent wells in action. Um so they're basically venting anything that um comes their way before it gets to the probes. And I believe that was the last thing I had or those are just results. It's all zeros.

While the closure process is going on, are we um we have to maintain it being mowed to a certain height or anything like that? Yes, sir. The DEEQ prefers that you do it no fewer than twice a year, but they don't require it more than that. Can we plant pretty much whatever kind of coverage you want on it? I'm not talking about putting in lobly pines, but I am talking about, you know, whatever type you can definitely do uh wild flowers sort things that recede themselves. They don't want trees, but pretty much any sort of uh ground cover vegetation can be used.

We were thinking wildlife. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a follow-up question? Sure. Uh Mr. Mr. Hunley, as we go forward on this, if the project goes forward, uh, your firm, as I understand and speaking, uh, Dominion's going to reach out to you. Okay. To ask you to be a part of discussions and things like that. Is that you said you worked on the Ivy one. I know about the Ivy one and I was involved when they were first talking to Dominion about that. Yes. Okay. So, yes, we're definitely available for that. So, I'm I'm assuming um as we go through if we move forward with this process, we can utilize your expertise to review and guide the county to make sure because the county doesn't want to be financially responsible for causing harm either, right?

Um and and to give us I'm assuming you'll be willing to do that to give us that guidance through that. Absolutely. Okay. Because I know I call you quite a bit. So, any other questions? Thank you, sir, for being here today. We'll probably um what? Yeah, good job. And uh we'll certainly want to pull from your expertise as we continue to look at this project and move forward. Sure. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Uh yes, we've uh been requested for a quick break, so let's do a bathroom break and take a fivem minute break. All right, no problem. All phone break. I'm fine, thank you. You have Don Harris and Anne Harris scheduled for Saluda on the 9th. Is that correct? You had called me about confirming that date.

Okay.

Uh, no. I get I'm assuming Derek's coming. He's the one that typically opens and closes it along with another guy. I can't remember his name, but no, that's nothing special.

And you you show it for the ninth. Is that correct? Got it. Yeah. Here you start.

Yes. That's what I know. I got it. Okay.

Say that again.

Um, thank you. No, just what you know, typically we just close it. I don't know if they put any chemicals in it or not when they close it, but um No, just just closing it. Uh I think I'll be fine. Could I uh the person that's going to come, can he give me a a wakeup call when he's on his way, etc. All right. And what phone number do you have for my contacts?

Okay, that'll be fine. Okay. And Derek still works for you guys, correct? Okay. Just curious. Okay, that's no problem. All right. Thank you.

You, too. Bye. Bye. All right.

See I don't know, Kevin. You're not congratulations. Put my name for me. I think

I would like All right. Who we waiting on? Where? Where did Matt go? Mhm.

October. pizza. Well, I thought Okay, we're coming out of recess now. And with that, we're going to move right into uh agenda item 4F, asset management, RFP for agricultural or excuse me, uh architectural and engineer professional services update.

And Mr. Chairman, if I could set this up a little bit, y'all had asked several months ago for us to do something like this, and we were lucky enough to have a young man that had the skill set to pull it off. He's been working with Chip. That young man now is working with Kevin and it part-time. Great. Mr. England.

Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, thank you, Mr. Chair, and members of the board. Uh, just a couple of brief updates. The first, as you mentioned, is on asset management. Um, we did work with the intern. Um, I worked directly with him this summer to basically build out our inventory, begin to build out our inventory of our assets, um, in our facilities across the county. uh we settled on using the platform that we already have maintain X. It had about 120 130 assets in it already.

Um we built um we did inventories at at over 60 facilities to add to that and add more information to what we have in our database on each of the assets physical assets for the county. Um, we got that as you can see in the board paper on that left side, total assets up to 844. So, I think we're probably about 90 95% on assets is where he was able to get to this summer. So, we certainly tried to focus on the priority facilities and make sure we got their assets. So, the ones that are missing um would be rounding that out. So, this gives us a couple of um different avenues I think to build upon. on the regular day-to-day, week-toeek maintenance, we have the inventory in our system and we can begin to record work that occurs against those assets, right? So, we're beginning to build a history and have some data that way. Um, so that helps the facility side, Amarie and the facility side day-to-day, but also we can pull this up out of the database um this information and begin to analyze it a little bit as we start to do more strategic planning and budget planning in the capital side. um as well as operational planning for how do we spend our money and do it on the assets that are most priority and most critical. When we built the information into the database, we also built several fields into the database where we could assign the location priority, the asset criticality and the condition of the asset. So we tried to rank those as well. that allowed us when we pulled the database, pull the data out and manipulate the database is to kind of calculate a condition score. So what's the worst assets that we have? That's what we're getting to here in this summary on the on the fourth quartile is probably the worst assets. So we're able to rank them based on a an assessment score. Um

what's the worst assets based on a combination of priority of the locality, priority of the of the asset, and condition of the asset. So, we're going to try to pull up and just give you a brief without getting too much in the into the weeds what the database kind of looks like, but so bring it down here a little closer. Stan, um, yeah, I think the summary dashboard, um, this just brings forward some of the items we I I try to include in your basic summary. So, the number of assets we had and then the different rankings and how they panned out. So the the database this was created as a tool that I can then use or work with um county management to use as we're doing some planning. What are the worst assets? Where are they based on the condition and priorities that we've assigned? So, we we plan to use this tool um as as along alongside of the the work history on the assets to help drive that assigning of condition as well as make justifications for where we're going to spend our money going forward and taking care of what we got. basically the stuff we have in our buildings, the air handling units, the water heaters, uh everything to conditions of uh finishes and things like that too as well. Roofs, uh everything was a distinct asset that was put in there. So, we worked with uh Jack Giles over the summer as a part-timer with us four days a week and he was totally dedicated to this project for a little over two months. Um, I think we got a really good product here we can build upon and as Matt alluded to, he's going to be back with us part-time, too. We might continue to build this out as he has time. That's just a basic update for you. I don't have any action necessarily for this, but this is a progress that we made over the summer.

And I can I add, though, I think that he also took pictures. So when I'm working in maintainex working on the assets for example somebody calls to say we've got a problem at this air handler one or whatever I can look at the picture. No it wasn't that. It was the cat um generator. I had no idea what the cat generator was. I was able to go in the system and find the um the serial number so we could get parts for it. It was it was very appreciate appreciated. So that's the type of work they did. All that kind of stuff was categories. It's all in there. I

think this is one of the things that the board and I appreciate it and um Matt assigning staff or whatever and your work, Chip, and the board supporting hiring an intern and everything. I'm I'm really thankful that you got on this and did it for Middle Sex County. This is something I think we're really laxing. It um it's going to help with our budgeting. I mean, it's going to be where you look and you know that air handler on the roof is 25 years old and the manufacturer says, "Hey, it's got a 30-year life expectancy. Eventually, this will be out to where you'll see in 2030 there's we're going to start budgeting some money for that. Now, if it's still working and you make a fresh assessment, then you can move it down the line a little bit. But it's a tool for our budgeting for what we have going on. We have to manage our assets and they come in all shapes and forms just like this, just like Matt's looked at the timber. We have all kinds of different kinds of assets, but this is something that was really needed and I really appreciate everyone, the board, staff, all of you for getting in and doing it. hiring hiring an intern to help. Thank you all very much.

Miss M. Harris, just to build on that, obviously we're dealing with limited resources and we got to make decisions. So, this really helps us with that. When someone uh brings forward a department brings forward a need to address an asset, we can kind of look at where that asset is in context of the big picture, right? So, right, does it need to jump in priority with something else? Helps us with limited resources being multiplier resources. Total assets with no school. What does that mean? Well, that's part of the build out of the database that we're still trying to maybe work on. We haven't uh either given it a condition score yet. Okay. So, there's no reason it couldn't be calculated in this spreadsheet. So, got you basically try to take

take whoever's doing this, whoever's doing the assessment, take an inventory, and hopefully they can determine a little bit like this thing looks like brand new, look like it's getting ready to fall apart now. And then you can get the serial numbers as and Marie alluded to, get the manufacturer, how long is it supposed to last, when was this installed, what is one cost new, what and it really eventually it becomes a spreadsheet on steroids is what it is like I mean but it is a very good tool. A lot of things go into it. Yeah. To build on that question, those 70 are probably the ones we just probably couldn't get to as well and we tried to get to the priority ones first. So they probably are the ones that are at locations that maybe are not necessarily a high priority.

Good. Thank you.

What we're excited about, and this is something that we discussed during our last capital improvements plan, is a tool like this will help us feed into the capital improvements plan a little better. Uh like for instance, you'll see highlighted on your screen, historic courthouse, new courthouse. So, if I can scroll over just a little bit. Um, if I'm reading the scores right getting imminent with certain replacements needed, certain very expensive replacements, i.e. the HVAC system, HVAC system over at the new courthouse. U this is something it will cost a pretty penny to replace those systems. But this gives us a better planning tool to see how many more years left we have so we can build it into a a more robust more uh I think predictive capital improvements plan so we can get ahead of it stay ahead of it and not have surprise the boiler's down you need to replace it it's $100,000 and whenever anything's replaced it's on this list it's all it's up staff has to update it so we get the life expectancy we should get out of that new Okay,

quick question on where your cursor is in the middle of the page. You got puller center, uh, Middle Sex County Sheriff's Office and Middle Sex County Sheriff's Office doors and floor. And I guess if you go Kevin Yeah. Why is why does that show am I looking at the right thing? Um it's now in the far right all assets in third quarter. Um center floor and doors and then I think there's a percentage there 33 point but it looks like all of them are 33 point.

Yeah it the scores are going to be anywhere from zero to 100 and they're all kind of relative to each other. So you're you are getting down into the third quartile. So you're you're past the worst assets. You're into the next batch of worst assets. And you the data while it is probably our best swipe at it, it's not perfect. If we see something like that, we think it's out of whack. We may need to go back in and reook at it and re-evaluate the scoring that was giving to given to it. Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't see why we would need why floors and doors on that particular item. Hell, we got a new building sitting there and doors and floors were done. So, I was just curious why that was showing that way.

Exactly. It is something it gets a fairly a fairly high score because the facility is fairly high scored. The location is a high score. It gives you a higher weight because that's a a facility. I'm I'm I'm thinking I'm reading you right, Don. The um you put in a brand new air conditioner, it's supposed to last 30 years. got brand new doors should be 100%. They're not even few month only a few months old. So, it should be the highest rating. I think that's what I'm hearing. Yeah. Okay. It's it's 100 is the highest rating. So, it's not 100's the highest.

It it's not a very high score, but it is within the second quarter of the highest scores that we had. It was because they were used doors or something that we may have been the used doors maybe. I'd have to look at I'd have to look at specifics, but okay. I just it jumped out at me, so I figured I'd ask it. Being involved with asset management and I getting it kicked off and getting the inventory, it's difficult and you have to make some assumptions on things to get it down and get it going. But as we start to use it, as it starts to go forward, those things will get corrected. And you'll see it'll become more and more accurate as we use it and more a greater tool.

I think you're exactly right, Mr. Harris. I think now's the time I'll be scrutinizing this as we're doing the capital improvement processing and I may find things like that and we may need to make adjustments to make it better. No problem. Continue on, Mr. Thank you.

Okay, I think we're done with this. The next item I had was bringing an update. Um, this is something we brought back brought to you earlier this summer about this initiative to put an RFP out to to begin to work towards hiring under a term contract an A&E firm to partner with us uh architectural engineering firm update. So, um, we put out an RFP on the street. We advertised it on July 16th. We closed that uh RFP request on September 11th and we had 12 firms reply to us which is a very good competitive uh proposal bid process. Um we've taken those uh formed a staff committee internally that has reviewed um each of those 12 proposals that consisted of Matt, myself, um Dave Cretz and um Sarah Murphy in the administrator's office. the four of us uh reviewed all of those, gave them scores and ranked them based on the criteria that we asked for in the RFP and we've been able to kind of bring them down to what we call maybe a short list of higher ranking scores. That's about where we're at at this point. Um the committee is recommending the next steps to move forward are to conduct interviews uh tenatively planned for October 30th with the top six offerers based on our scoring just to take the next step in the RFP evaluation process. Um, and then work with uh whoever is determined at that point to be at the top uh in a negotiation process to bring a contract back to the board eventually or a or a term services contract um to to hire an architect and engineer to work alongside us. So, the next steps are are working through that process. we need to give us several weeks for the firms that we would notify uh to prepare to come in and do a presentation and interview with us. Uh so that's why

we're waiting till October 30th to give them some time to do that. Um should it be the pleasure of the board if you wanted to name someone to work with the committee a member or two uh we'd be happy to bring you in at this point to help work in that direction. Uh but it's certainly up to you. But what we're asking for is to continue with this process uh into our next steps and begin in that negotiation phase so we can eventually bring a contract back to the board for approval. I do ask your um committee there to look carefully if any of the engineering firms that we've had um a rocky road with in the past that we uh remember that when we look through this see how how we worked in the past.

Yes. Thank you. And we do look qualifi qualifications and experiences certainly and um if they have experiences with us we obviously have to weigh that in. One if I may, Mr. Chairman, one of the catalysts that that kind of drove this uh solicitation was the RCE building and an architect to help guide the board through their desires for reconstruction renovation of that building. So just wanted to make sure y'all remember that was one of the catalysts that drove the decision. Like like Chip has said, if if the board wants a couple representative representatives of the board on that interview committee, we'd be happy to have you. It's going to be an all day event, though. I'll I'll say that because we got six very good candidates.

Yeah. In part to build on what Matt's talking about, I think one of the things certainly we're going to be asking them to start to address is a hypothetical situation of a building like that. How would you help us partner alongside us to do a project like this? And we would want them to address that in their presentations and in their interviews and discussions with the next step that we would take with these firms to help us evaluate which one would be a best fit for us. And is this process to have uh architect andor engineer professional services um as a retainer

essentially a term contract? Yes. Then we would work from that point forward once we have a contract. Upon our request um or issuing a task order under that contract, we would sit down with that that firm and talk about the scope involved with that project and what our expectations are and they would bring back a proposal based on that task assignment. That would be the next opportunity for the board to approve. They you know approve a you approve a task under that that contract. Okay, cool. Just wanted to be clear. Yeah. Not asking for you to to approve any spending at this point. Um that would come later as we begin to task this firm with things to do for us.

Okay. Good. So, so you're saying that we don't have to spend any money until we make our mind of what we're going to do.

That's correct. Or we may uh partner with this firm to help us decide eventually what we're going to do depending on how we want to phase that. It could be uh for example the RCE building could be helping us assist with evaluating options and alternatives or talking with a stakeholder group to try to determine what we want to do with that building. And they bring expertise to the table with having done this for similar type facilities for similar type communities in the past and can give us some guidance on uh you know what what is feasible for the facility what the ballpark costs may be for the facility so we can evaluate those alternatives that we may want directions that we may want to go. So if you do it in a phased fashion, you do that first kind of that and then you get into preliminary design contractual designs afterwards. I

think um maybe just the definition of a professional service contract for everyone to I can do it if you if you want to do it. What it is is you you're basically doing a contract saying I'm going to give you all my business in this area. Okay, we're looking at engineering services and you're going to go into a professional service agreement with whatever organization they pick and they're going to be there for you. It's not like you're just going out there and just hiring someone off off the street or so and so on. You're already in a partnership with them. And being how you're giving them all their all of your business, you're in hopes that and it usually works out that you're getting competitive pricing and stuff and everything on the work that you're doing because you're a return customer. You're under contract. So, it's a way to get professional services and you're at the front of the list on them because you've entered into something and because you're going to do repeat business, we want to give you a good price. That's how I view professional service.

And just to add on that, Mr. Paris, you know, usually when we get into the negotiation steps of a a contract like this as well, we do start talking rates. Uh they provide a rate sheet. It becomes binding once we get to the contract. We're asking for that at the next step as a non-binding step. So part of the evaluation at the next step would be at least looking at what the rates are proposed for entering into an agreement with us. So we'll go into a task assignment. we we kind of can figure out uh based on what's on a contract for the costs for what they would do and bay design previously um was was engineering and survey right

this is a little broader it's mainly more heavy on the architectural side with things like RCA in mind you're when you're starting to talk probably having a prime as the architect with the civil being under the architect I think some of these firms firms if not all of them probably have the capability of doing a lot of our engineering correct for us. So it it is pretty broad.

So Mr. Chair, if there's not any more questions, we just uh are are asking your for you to authorize uh the selection committee consisting of the of um any board appointed members that you want to you want to appoint and the county administrator, the county attorney, and assigned staff to proceed in conducting with uh interviews with the with the offerers with the select offerers that we we've shortlisted. and then to proceed after that point to uh begin negotiations with the top selected firm or firms if we decide to and then bring back a contract to you at a future meeting. Right now the earliest might be December bring back a contract.

So at the pleasure of the board if you do want to uh select and appoint any members to work with us on the next steps and then authorize us to go ahead with these next couple of steps doing the interviews and then proceeding into negotiations. Okay. Do we need a motion for that, Miss Attorney, or just consensus? No, sir. You need a motion, but I would first ask, is there a board member who wishes to serve on it? Um, just as a clarification, I'm not able to attend the October 30th interviews. Not that that's You've got a wonderful committee. Um, but I mean, obviously, I'll be involved in in the contract negotiations, but are there any board members who wish to participate?

I would like to be on it. I'm not able to commit because of some other things going on right now, but I would I would like to be on it. So, if there are two board members that want to be on it, I'm fine. If there's one only one other one that wants to be on it, I will do my best to try to make the dates, but I cannot guarantee that I would. Yeah. No, I understand, Mr. Harris. And you don't have to be on it. The question staff is presenting to you, do you wish to be a part of the interviews? I don't I don't want to me not being able to 100% commit. I don't want to take a spot from another board member if there's two that want to be on it. If there's not and I can make it, I will. Wonderful. You can always grill that board member with questions that chooses Starbucks. Any anyone else? I I wouldn't mind being on it. Okay.

Yeah, I would. I think that's a good choice. Um, so Mr. Williams will be on it. Well, then I would I would make a the motion to authorize the selection committee for the uh interview make a motion to authorize the selection committee consisting of Mr. Williams and Mr. Bill Harris assuming he can I think we should go ahead and just add you the county administrator and assigned staff to proceed with the interviews. We can get there uh for the architect and engineering professional services. So move on that motion. So moved on the motion for Mr. Jesse. Second.

Second by Mr. Bill Harris. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Mr. Jesse. Yes. Mr. Williams? Yes. Mr. Bill Harris? Yes. Mr. Kinden? Yes. Mr. Don Harris? Yes. Motion to proceed is approved. And Mr. Chairman, before Chip leaves the podium, we did close the other RP on the dredge site maintenance, dredge policy, site maintenance. We did not receive a proposal, right? But we have that more robust agreement that, you know, is is being put out there for the contractors, but we did not receive a proposal. This is

the spoil site management. So, um, we can discuss that in November. If y'all want us to reissue it, we can. I think we've got a pretty good policy, a more robust policy, and we're we can operate under that until we get somebody. Has there been any action by anybody removing product from there? I don't think anybody's removed any yet I'm aware of. I certainly haven't been contacted with anybody with the proposal yet to Okay. Well, it seemed like there were a few people that were interested in getting some of the spoils. I did have just one this week that I contacted the office and I sent them the the policy, the procedures and have not heard back yet. Okay.

But yeah, we have heard some talk of others, but uh that's the first that I've actually sent. Okay. The contract. Well, uh maybe bring us up to date in November on where we are with that. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. Um, planning update. Dave Cretz.

Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Um, I have a quick just this is a quick update on the uh wake boat landing in the in the ramp. Um, I've been going back and forth with the core on this. They've requested u previously requested some additional information. I've become pen pals with uh Mr. Griffy with the core. Um he just this morning he there seems to be some concern um and it the same concern was uh expressed by the VMRC rep Randy Owen when I spoke with him several months ago which basically started initiating this that we didn't think it was going to be so bad but there's some restrictions that are gerine to the dunal the dune area to the east of that bulkhead. So, the latest thing from the core is um Mr. Griffy's um concern was if we were removing the material from that dune, which we want to do. It's the uh he was asking if they could barge, you know, remove it by barge, it would make it simpler. Not on our end, because our contractors aren't going to mobilize a barge for that amount of material. They're just they're probably not going to do that. So, we're we're stuck with the dune. what their concern is are the is the dreaded tiger beat. So there could be some restrictions and that here's a component because US uh fish and wildlife services has been furled Mr. Griffy can't get an answer out of their department to to get those restrictions to pass them on. I think he's hesitant to issue that's not his call. So he's hesitant to say, "Yeah, go ahead. I think it's I think you're okay." He he can't say that. So that's kind of where we're at. This is

the ongoing thing. Every time I get information, it'd be nice to have It'd be nice if I was about 3 weeks earlier in this presentation, I think we'd be a little bit further in the process. It's a It's a little bit frustrating, but if my memory serves me correctly, they will get back to you within 15 days. And there was no furlows at that 15 days. Well, I I just got No, I'm saying that's what they were going to get back to you. You're you're doing great. But it's it's I I when I get asked, I respond quickly with the question and sometimes it is a couple weeks between information. So, they I guess he's reviewing it and you know, it's it's one of those things I guess there's more to it than he originally thought. So,

for them to say tell Middle Sex that they're going to get back to us in 15 days and then they don't and then now they use furlow as an excuse. Yeah. If they'd have done it in their time frame that they initially said they were going to do, they had staff on board. Yeah. If they should have sent it to they should have made a determination by now any they should have that determination from them using the furls as an excuse. Yeah, they can take their

they can. So that's where we're at. I uh somebody was joking since US Fish and Wildlife is not there maybe the time to go in is is tomorrow. I That's That's not the right thing to do. I'm sorry. But yeah, I wouldn't recommend that. So, that's where we're at. We're waiting on that bit of information. Hopefully, I know we're trying to get this thing at least open by Rockfish season, but I'm I'm trying. Maybe if I'm going to if I get an answer, I'm going to try to have everything to the next meeting tidied up, ready to pull the trigger and go. So with a pickup truck down there. Yeah.

U make it happen. Mr. Crutz, I got a quick question. Yes, sir. When you say the dune and removing that, that's the jetty of sand that's actually underwater that's coming out from uh the loading dock. Is that correct or

Yes, Mr. Walker is going to pull that up and I know he's gonna love he he's always quick to have his Google Earth ready. So, so the the dune area, see the see the bulkhead, it it runs kind of in an easterly direction, then heads somewhat northwest or more northerly. So, the the area, let's say that the situation is very similar now. It may be worse, but that area that's Yeah, it's a lot worse now. the area to the east or to the right of that uh that bulkhead. Yeah. Is what they they're consider that has now become a

Okay.

And and we've had the conversation of building a road on it and all that. That's going to take a lot of regulatory. It I mean that's not to say it can't happen. It's just going to take more oversight and perview to be put into it. I'm trying to keep this simple and just removal of the material on the west side of the of the of the bulkhead, the retaining wall. I thought that would be easy, but they seem to be worried about disturbance or driving over it. We would place mats down. I've noted that we have to put that last time they did it, they put mats down. Um I would I don't know if that kills tiger beetles or not. I I don't know. or disturbs them. Um, so we can take whatever precautions are necessary to save the dune. I mean, we don't we're not we want to keep it simple. We want to take the material out of the basin for the boat ramp and not disturb the dune. And that's the easiest environmental path that I can think of. And that's the path I've taken. And that still has complications because I guess we're working on that that area, that dune. So that's that's where we're at right now with it and I'm going to keep at it and hopefully get an answer answer from Andrew soon.

Thank you for keeping on it and all you're doing on I appreciate it. Yeah, it it it illustrates there's so many different regulatory agencies that have so much jurisdiction over overlapping portions of a project. It's a space we don't navigate often, but um I will commend Dave for trying and we had a conversation a couple months ago because his initial conversation with the core was oh sure we could probably work with you on that. It's easy and that's why I came forward with this. I said if this is easy why not, you know, why not? I was skeptical from the beginning but I

I'm still I'm still I'm still positive I'm still on it. I'm not going to let it drop. So, so anyway, um, we'll keep on it. Hopefully have an answer soon. And if if if for if for some reason I find out quickly, I'll start to call my contacts and try to line some of that up, find out other costs that we may have involved. I I believe we're going to have to purchase or rent some mats. Uh, I'm almost positive a turbidity curtain is going to be in play, but we're not sure what the environmental restrictions are. I know there's some restrictions for the oyster beds that are adjacent to it for time and what what you have to do for that and also the tiger beetles. So, we'll have to this is just part of it. And this is a simple dredge.

This is a very simple dredge in comparison to what Broad Creek was. So, anyway, I really don't have anything else. Just to kind of um piggyback on what uh Chip was talking about our capital improvements plan. We're going to be u getting into that process here. Uh we're only about three or four weeks away from the due date on the on the submittals. Um I don't know how it's a little I know this document was just prepared. I don't know how that's going to if they're going to be able to insert that into some of their proposals yet. that this this may be a transition year, but I think by next year you're going to see the the cap the submitts and the request a lot, you know, with a lot more detail than they have been in the past. Understanding that Chip's done a fantastic job putting that together and and uh Jack, they did it's a wonderful document. I think it's going to help with that to prioritize some of those find out cost on some of those projects. So, just to let everybody know, we'll be going through that process here uh in November. That has to move pretty quick. That'll usually go we try to get it to the planning commission in dece December so the board can act on it, the first meeting in January. Then you have an approved document for your budget season. That's the schedule. Any other questions while you have me up here? Generally speaking, and I did not ask you this before the meeting, so if you can't answer it, no flat footing from here. How are building permits and zoning permits?

Have you seen them cool down or are they still pretty much trucking right along? They seem to everybody's still busy. I need to get Jody to run a report. Yeah, I I was going to do that in the in the last monthly report and it was too late. So, okay. I'll I'll try to I'll get that for the next month. It's okay. I'm flat. I'm hitting you flat with that one.

That's fine. I do know that uh we the period previous we had about 30 new homes in one neighborhood. 29 or 30. So that really spiked it and kind of gave it a false. I think we may be back a little bit more to normal as far as building permits, but it seems it, you know, it's active. You know, it seems it just foot traffic seems to be about the same. So, yep. Thank you, Mr. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. Yes, sir. All right. Um, regular agenda items. L E A River counties. Kevin.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and board. Uh, just want to take a couple minutes to share a quick update and a funding request that I think will have a big impact on Middle Sex County. As some of you might remember, Lead River Counties is a regional leadership development program that brings together professionals and community members from the Northern Neck at Middle Sex to learn about local government, business, and community issues and how we can work together across the region. This program has been around for a little while, but it kind of stalled out after COVID. It was reconstituted, but when it was, it was kind of more focused in the Northern Neck. So, I've been working with some of my colleagues at the uh the college to sort of reintroduce Middle Sex into lead and get some of our young upand cominging leaders more involved with this program. It runs from September through June with monthly sessions and as I alluded to, you'll have things like economic development will be one and we'll have community leaders who work in economic development actively. We'll have leaders from uh the judiciary, from public safety, from county administration, and these young leaders and upandcomers will be able to sort of get the full effect of talking with some of these folks. There's going to be a Middle Sex County highlight day in May and we're going to have a bus tour that's going to go around Middle Sex and look at our community strengths and maybe some of our challenges uh so that we can work with our cohort to to brainstorm and come up with innovative ways to look forward. Now, as part of getting Middle Sex re-engaged, I'm requesting a $1,000 contribution to cover tuition for two participants. Uh, I would been on the steering committee since the summer and as I was stepping through setting up lead and getting ready for it, I realized I hadn't been through it myself. And so I will not only be on the steering committee, I will also be a student. I will be a member of the cohort. And as we look at the classroom makeup, it's people who are all the way across the continuum. Some of them are

much farther along in their leadership journey. Some of them have never really had a role like that, but they aspire to do that. One of them is Chana Hammond. Jana Hammond's family owns a uh trucking business in the county. Delegate Hajes talked about getting those jobs here. And what a what better way than a family-owned business uh right here in the county. Sarah Murray uh will also be be participating. A lot of you know her mom, Karen Murray. Sarah uh is looking forward to a career in public administration. She's graduated from William Mary. she's going to UNC Chapel Hill to get her masters so that perhaps one day she can come back to Middle Sex and work. Uh so one other was Tyler Ratabal. Tyler you might know from museum and from his work with the historical society and he's just done a tremendous job trying to preserve mu uh the history of Middle Sex County. Tyler and Chay were both given scholarships so there's no cost for those folks. So, it's kind of a two for one deal, but just to sum up altogether, this puts Middle Sex back in a leadership role regionally. It's a great way to build relationships with surrounding counties, share ideas, and strengthen our voice in regional discussions. Our first session was with fellow named Jimmy Carter, some of you might know, over in Lancaster. very dynamic individual, had great breakout groups after the session, and we're looking forward to uh being in Historic Christ Church this month. And so, again, not to belabor to the point, um but I am asking for a $1,000 contribution to sponsor our two county participants. Uh I will say I really appreciate the support you've already shown for leadership development in the county. And um if you see fit to honor this request, it'll be greatly appreciated. Are there any questions?

Is there a motion to honor the request of Mr. Gentry in the amount of $1,000? Is that correct? Yes, sir. Also moved. So moved by Mr. Jesse. Second. Second by Mr. Bill Harris. Any questions, discussions? Roll call, please. Mr. Williams, yes. Mr. Bill Harris, yes. Mr. Kinden, yes. Mr. Jesse, yes. Mr. Don Harris, yes. Your motion is approved. Thank you, board. And thank you especially to Randy who's actually going to be coming and speaking to our group and so uh good. We greatly appreciate your efforts and we hope to maybe see all of you there at some point or another. Thank you. Good. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Uh item B under regular agenda items, uh budget supplementally request call handling equipment grant. Uh David Layman could not be here. He had a um he ran into a conflict. This is a very easy acceptance of a grant much like the one I think I did for him about two months ago where he received $150,000 for call handling equipment. This will wrap up a project that well funding wise completely funded by the state of a project that he and Rachel Easter are working on. So today we ask for obviously the approval of this budget supplement as well as the hold on hold on let me how did he I'm trying to see how he worded it. Acceptance uh approval and acceptance of the FY26qi grant for $200,000.

So moved. So moved by Mr. Bill Harris. Second. Second by Mr. Krennan. Any further discussion? Seeing none, roll call. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse? Yes. Mr. Williams? Yes. Mr. Don Harris? Yes. The motion for the acceptance of the grant for call handling equipment is approved. Okay. Um, next. Moving right along. Um, go ahead.

Thank you. At this time, um, we do have a representative of the Department of Behavioral Health and Development Services. What is it called? Middle Peninsula Northern Neck Behavioral Health. Um, we do this every year. We have a contract that we need to approve every year. And at the same time, they usually do a presentation of um, kind of a little update of where you are. Yes. So, good evening chairman, members of the board. I did have some information to share. My name is Amanda Campanola. I have been with Middle Peninsula Northern Neck Behavioral Health for uh 25 years as of September. Um, could you pinch those around? I'd be delighted.

Thank you so much.

My current role is as acting executive director for the agency and I've been in this role since January. Um this is our bianual contract with the department of behavioral health and developmental services. So this contract guides our funding and our service agreement with the department. Um we use these we get state, federal and local dollars from you all and we also maximize insurance billing. Um as you see in the chart that I gave you, I just gave you a breakdown of what we received. fish we're expecting to receive this year for our local, federal, and state funds. Um, it is in the code of Virginia and in also in our performance contract that the localities match at 10% what the state and feds fund us. Um, that is in the performance contract and the code. Um, we provide an array of services, anything from emergency services, outpatient, community supports for FY25 in the county of Middle Sex. We provided over 30,000 services to 373 individuals in this county. Um we have the largest footprint as far as facilities within this county. We have six locations here within uh Middle Sex County. Um our one of the largest populations we served with in this county that I found interesting was children ages 0 to five. So those are children in early intervention or prevention services. Um and another 28% of the recipients were ages were youth ages zero to 20. Um and then we also serve the older adult populations and then 12% of the recipients were were seniors 61 plus years old. And I will entertain any questions the board may have about our performance contract. I did not bring the contract

with me. Um I did provide a link to the contract. It is 400 pages. So, I did not um bring that with me. And as we're there are 40 CSVs in the state of Virginia and it's the same contract for every CSV. It's a standard contract with the Department of Behavioral Health. When typically is is the contract executed? Because on your paperwork it says 26 uh 27 budget I'm guessing which we won't approve that until 26. Yeah, it's a bianial contract. So it's every two years that we have to renew this.

It's just expected that the localities are going to do a 10% match. And if they don't then I have to request a waiver or do an inind match. What does that amount come to for us? Um, this year I believe the amount was 51,000 if I remember correctly is what we requested and it's based on per capita for the county. Okay. Um, the request for FY 26 was actually 61,965. And what did we contribute last bianium?

I mean I let's see the request before that FY24 was 41,544 and then for FY25 it was 55,945 was the requested amount from us for this coming bianium. Is that what you said or was that the last? No, that was the last one. And I don't know what we're gonna That was 54 and you're asking what? 61. Well, that's what we asked. I don't believe that we received that amount. What do What do we do in the past budgets? Can you give us a figure from our budget what we actually but we've usually trimmed it back. Yeah.

I think we've historically funded them at 42. Does that sound right? when um on your on your um handout here it says six locations within the county holds our largest facility footprint. So for our agency is that is that be because of the needs of the county or that just happens to be geographically where the offices are or we have offices here. We have residences here. We have youth and family right behind us or administration building down the We have residences in Urbana. Um and we have offices in Urbana. We have another re um residence right here on um Tidewater Trail. So, yeah.

Well, okay. Why um I guess I'm asking why do we have more than other counties there? Do we have more needs for your services than other counties per capita or what is I don't Well, I mean it it so happens I mean we we like this county. Yes. And and also you're a good midway point between the 10 counties. Okay. So, geographic Yeah, geographically it makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Okay. What else you got for us today?

That is it. I mean, I'm happy to come back at any point in time and highlight any service that you would all like to learn about and hear about. Um, so, um, please just let me know if that's of ever interest for you all. Um, we have a very robust peer program which is people with lived experience which is I find very impactful for people that have worked in their recovery and are doing well. Um, so if you're ever interested in hearing from people with lived experience, I'd love to bring somebody back with me one day and do a even during a work session however you would like. Okay,

great. Wonderful. Thank you for being here today. Of course, I can't commit to whatever number. Yes. you know, send your request in and then when we get into the budget part of that, we'll evaluate that and see how it is. Yes. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Have a great day. You too. Oh, yeah. Motion resolution approve the resolution. Yes. Thank you. What's the resolution?

It's in your board packet on page 114. It's a resolution for approval of your performance contract. I mean, at the end of the day, we're just approving the the the contract, not no amounts and no numbers. Correct. Yes. To my knowledge that for sure that would be something.

So, this is normal. This is normal procedure. So, it's just the expectation that if if the localities don't contribute the 10% that the CSB has to find a way to make it up um or request a waiver and ultimately it could jeopardize our state funding, but it's it's not come to that so far. I can't find and it's also on your screens.

Okay. While they're looking for that, um, they're also going to be our new tenants and the old Middle Peninsula Planning District Commission. We can never get all that old furniture and everything out of there. And, um, I think the Larry's been working with Amory very well on trying to get us quotes to get it painted and getting the floors done for you. Y, happy to have you all in that space because you'll have both buildings then. Okay. So, this resolution has no numbers on it, but I I guess that's okay. We're just making a resolution that uh we're going to proceed with the program like we have in the past. What those amounts will be will be subject for another day.

Yes, sir. All right, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to approve the resolution approval of a performance contract. Great. I need a second. Second. Motion made by Mr. Jesse, seconded by Mr. Kittin. Any further discussion? Seeing none. Roll call. Mr. Kittinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse. I. Mr. Williams? Yes. Mr. Bill Harris? Yes. Mr. Don Harris? Yes. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Have a good afternoon.

Motion was approved. All right. Okay. Item D, 5D, citizens appointments. At this point, I still have three vacancies. One on building board of zoning appeals, one on planning commission, one on planning commission, and we have zero applicants. So, at this point, no action required. Right. Matt, can I can I go back and ask Matt, can I ask you a question back? You say they're a new tenant. What um is it okay to open in public what they're having to pay for their building over there in rent? Um yeah. Yeah, that that was all done.

It was approved by the board. I don't board. So, yeah, the board approved the contract. Yeah, I just wondered what the what the if you happen to know what they paying in rent. You have that lease handy, Marie. We have to go back and look at it, but it's a pretty much standard rate. We charged um I think both buildings same rate. Go back and look at that bill. That's not a problem at all. And and I know a lot of some of the homes, they even got one up in in Warner that that that they keep special. Yeah. People in it and and then I know who rents it out and you know they're paying the property tax and all that stuff like that. So you're saying that that it's connect owns a house but they don't own it. Mr. Brown owns a house but he rents it out to CSB. He rents it out to CSB. See what I'm saying?

And then they put people in there as they need. Yeah. Yeah. They have people that catch bus go different places that are special people that live right up and want them. Okay. So she the old hog house. The old hog house. Little car hold that and house over to the left. Yeah, that's where they stay. They got about four or five people in there. Hey, get that letter. Okay, we're going to move right along then.

Yeah. Um, administrative updates, uh, cigarette tax report only, stamp reports, including in the booklet, um, report only, and 27 2027 draft budget calendar, which is at the very end. I'd like you to look it over. Not necessarily now, but we if we need to amend or change any of the dates, please look those over in the next meeting. We'll look at that.

Absolutely. We we had made the amendments the board had asked for last time we looked at it. No Friday meetings and we still get the majority of the process done before the end of March. It's going to be an expedited process and we're probably going to be waiting on the state. As Keith said, there's all new menagerie of goodness waiting for us in the state budget process. So, we'll probably approving something contingent upon state appropriations, okay? As we have done in the past. No, no big deal.

Okay. Item number eight, unfinished on new business. Unfinished on new business. Okay. Um, matters presented by the board and I'll start with our senior member. All right. Uh, September the 16th we went to the closed landfill in Armile County. Um, September 29th emergency service meeting. uh we attended that and you know Pat uh David layman talked about the grants on that and also the departments um cost of living 3% for uh the budget for all departments uh AR festival foundation meeting I attended that one and you know at the arts festival coming up real soon middle sex sports complex as you know the golf tournament is this Friday attended that one and uh uh a lot going on there and I think all the teams are are covered right Yeah, you can't can't add any more teams. So, that's a good thing.

Yep. Yep. Yep. And that's it for me for my report.

Uh the the only thing that I want to talk mention is uh the trip to Danville um to see the um the training facility. It's it's it's an incredible um system that they they put together up there. Um they have they start out training kids in middle school and um they checking their aptitude, see what they're interested in and uh and they'll go anywhere from um they'll do everything from from electricity and plumbing and uh and welding to uh they have a simulator up there for driving a tractor trailer or driving uh heavy equipment to repair the roads. They've got um it's it's uh it's phenomenal. and and what they've done is they've put together a coalition of counties and cities who have funded uh this and then they've now received state funding to uh to continue on and uh it's just uh I I I can't speak highly enough of that and is something that I would certainly like to see us be able to even in a small way uh reproduce here in in the eastern part of the state. uh they they their their one program I I want to say it's core but I don't know if that's the correct term they had or is the but anyway that's the one that started in middle school and they're they've actually been expanding that out around the state and I think most recently York County is is signed into it and uh so once we hopefully we'll be able to get it up here and um I think it's just a wonderful a wonderful program and and it's something that that we need very badly as far as uh vocational education for our kids.

Randy, I happen to serve on the um have the roads public works academy board and they have something similar to what you're talking about. It's not as elaborate and they don't start the youth anywhere near as young as that. But it is I mean they're Hampton Roads now but there is some something like that that we have we can probably tap into a little bit. I think we're outside of being considered Hampton Roads up here. I think probably um is Gloucester considered Hampton Roads or not? They kind of style that town.

Okay. But I know that I know they would help if we had students or whatever wanted to try to to get involved with some of that. I'm sure they would help. Last when I was last involved though, they were not down into the grade schools like that pretty much who were graduating. They're going to teach everything from how to make concrete forms, operate heavy equipment, so on and so on. So they may have developed something even more so. But there is something

Yeah, they did. uh they uh they had a a I guess college level um program there uh that started out with welding and then and then being able to uh to do the um review, you know, to to check the the work they that's actually a a career track is to uh uh to do the I guess the essays and everything to to uh make sure that the work is done properly, they measure it, they I I mean it it's it's just a an amazing situation.

They run theirs with um system um for what they call them some like they're experts in a certain area and they pretty much pull from the different municipalities in Hampton Roads and most of the time they're engineers and and I asked them what their heart what the hardest uh obstacle they had and they said finding people to train you know do the training. So, so what they do is you're in the you're in the group. So, one of your engineers is going to be helping teaching a class. It's all kind of all in together so on.

Mr. Williams, well, just like the rest of saying I went up to see the solo site, you went down to see him ported down at the airport. Uh, and the uh other thing we had a meeting I call social service meeting. But anyway, one thing that kind of lack paid a lot of attention to when I asked him how much funds that they have left, uh what kind of funds that they have? He said 1.7. And I said the only time I said, "What you say?" I said, "Well, uh at 1.7 that's million." And uh everybody we always say that you know the county don't pay much to Rebecca's outfit but yet now I want to know the figure because it's something around $400,000 that going to probably come out of your budget. So, it is money out there and I I I really would like to um see the flow of the money in and out and therefore any organization that's going to do a budget this year. I want to see the money in and flow and flow out and how it's being spent cuz we can't have transparency if everything is covered up and we can't find money. I told you that's one thing that got me on this walk was when somebody told me you can find money. See you can't find no money unless you put it there. If somebody put it there, you ain't use it. That kind of touch a little thing on me. So I'mma tell you whoever's listening, if y'all on the thing, I'm looking for the money that I need to find cuz I don't like to find it. And my buddy don't like to find money neither. And I'm not going to call his name. Okay. Um, I attended the uh, which was very informative, the Dominion uh, trip to Charlottesville for the solar uh, bomb there on a closed landfill and the

Norse Bridge uh, dedication or I guess it wasn't really a dedication uh, when Governor Yncan came down uh, attended that. I'll remind you that we have a joint meeting with the school uh board for the architect to come in and present what uh five or six options. Um and that's on the 14th. And then the EDA build uh meeting, when is that? October 24th at 5:00. Correct. Okay. Put that on your calendar. EDA uh joint meeting.

And Mr. Chairman, you and uh Supervisor Jesse are going to be meeting with the town officials on October 30th. Two town officials. I hadn't written that down yet. Yeah. 29. Uh hold on. October 30. What that meeting? Which one? The one he just talked about. the town wants to meet with um um myself who represents the town and Mr. Jesse who represents uh his district.

Um I'm not quite sure. Kind of got an idea what they want, but um right now it's still somewhat a surprise. They're keeping their cards pretty close to their chest. 21st is the is the EDA. Yes. EDA meeting on five o'clock. Five o'clock. Uh Wayne and I meet with him. Um

okay. Uh moving right along. I'm going to open the meeting for the public comment. Promises to be brief. I will be brief and you may ask me questions. You can blame Randy for this. You can blame Randy for this. blame him all day long because I had the distinct pleasure to accompany Matt and Randy to that Danville meeting. I'm sorry. We need your name and address. Yeah. Richard Lewis, where you live? 14296 General Polar Highway, Hardville, Virginia 2370. Continue on. Thank you, Mr. Lewis.

I had the distinct pleasure of attending the Danville meeting with Randy and Matt and some other members and delegate Hodes. I was really impressed with those people out there and like Randy said, they pushed this stuff down middle school level. One of the and what York County brought on that is a training center. So it's a training the trainer training center going up down in York County. So if we want to be involved in this, we can send our trainers down there. The other thing I want to bring out that Brandy might have missed on that, they had an 85% graduation rate from that class. interested in what they're doing

and an 87% job rate from those graduates employment rate. Oh, the only thing they are required to fund is food. Room is covered, tuition's covered, 18 to 73 is the age group. So, anything we can do and if the board I make this make this offer to anybody member on the board. If you don't want to take the bus trip up there, Danville Regional Airport is just a hop, skip, and a jump right away from them. I will get you on my airplane. I will fly you up. Takes an hour. It's impressive. Cool. All you have to do is ask.

You got one thing. You said the age was 18 to 73. 18 to their youngest grade. Their youngest student is 18. Their oldest student they had was 73. It's paid It's paid for by the federal government. Cool. We uh after that meeting, a couple of us have been kicking around the idea of maybe that would be something later that we could look at and combine it with several counties. uh regional approach.

Yeah. Home home it in uh Middle Sex, but see if we could get some interest from some other counties. So that's a work in progress. Right. Right. Okay. Well, if there's no other public comments, we can close that. Okay. Any other public comments? Seeing none, I'mma close the public comment session. And Amarie has an answer to your question about monthly rent. Monthly rent.

$2,400 a month for each building. That's a good number. Okay, cool. All right. Do we need a motion for close session or

Yes, Mr. Chairman. So, the board uh needs a motion to convene in close session pursuant to Virginia Code sections 2.2 2-3711 A1 and A3 and for A8. This is becau for the board to discuss personnel matters regarding the county administrator and the county attorney and so the board can discuss the acquisition of real properties. I understand there's more than one for a public purpose where discussion and open meeting would adversely affect your bargaining position. And so that you may consult with legal counsel regarding specific legal matters, procedures, and questions about the acquisition of said properties.

So move Motion to go into close session made by Mr. Jesse. Second. Second by Mr. Bill Harris. Any further discussion? Seeing none, roll call, please. Mr. Jesse. Hi. Mr. Williams. Yes. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Krennan. Yes. Mr. Don Harris. Yes. Motion's approved and we're going to move into