Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

Meeting is being recorded by McCann and televised on both Verizon and comcast. Comcast. If anybody is here for items on the agenda, item number six, the notice of intent for 64 Benson Street. Item number seven, the certificate of compliance for 18 Cowan Drive. Item eight, the notice of intent for 18 Cowan Drive.

Number nine, the notice of intent for Off Stone Street. Number 10, the continuation of the abbreviated notice of resource area delineation for 253 To 259 Wood Street. And number 11, the abbreviated notice of resource area delineation for 525 To 529 Wareham Street. And number 12, the notice of intent for 177 Summer Street are all going to be continued. So if if you're here for any of those, pretty much all of page two, we won't be discussing them. So you know. And we have a discussion. Don't know if he's is Rick or not? Great. Okay.

Hi, Dan. First thing was a discussion of 7 Winter Street. This was the continuation we did last week, and they're seeking a slight change to the plans.

But Rich is not Yeah. So this discussion, clarify, this is so you decide whether or not they have to file a new notice of intent or they can amend this ask for an amendment, which would be a public hearing.

And I think this was it actually moved a little bit further away from the wetlands. It just sort of adjusted and yeah.

Yeah, it's a little different footprint.

Right. Yes. It was bigger, but yet further away.

Is there someone here for that? There is not

someone here for that. We're just discussing. Is he planning to come on, did you know?

Was he going to come? No?

Okay.

Do you have any comment, Trish? Just the usual rounds.

That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. So, you know, it is it seems like a significant change even though it, it is further away from the wetlands. This is a very old file. You did give them an extension, I believe, at the last For a year. Yeah, for a year. But this is another part of that. Even though you gave the extension, it was for the original plan, not this plan. So you would have to just, like I said, determine whether you're okay

with it that you would they could request an amendment to this order of conditions or that they would have

to come back with a new notice of intent. But you gave the extension. So it makes it a little complicated. They would have to like withdraw the other one and close it and then file a new notice of intent. Sometimes the other choice has been that you allow this, but you ask for an as built plan at the time of the certificate of compliance. So those are the choices.

Any questions or we don't have anyone to question, but thoughts or comments?

Yeah, I noticed that the driveway seems to be in a 25 foot zone.

Is that the old

plan or the new plan?

Bottom corner of it. Mhmm.

Where?

Oh, yeah. That's only the old plan, So is this This is the new plan. Okay. Truth, Katie's got up the new plan up there, too.

They

shifted over a little bit.

No,

that's the old one. Do you have any questions or thoughts, Carrie? I

do think it's a significant change. The house is a lot bigger. Kinda like I don't know.

I was

trying to look at, like, a side by side. Is that the old one to the right?

He did that layover. Is that how the colors. That's what

I was looking at, but it's different. The driveway is different on the new one than that overlay. What does that say again? The purple?

Frostwell Backville full foundation. Oh, okay.

Yeah.

So it's

Yeah, just wanted to look at this for another We'll go to the end of the line. Any thoughts or questions, Diane? No. Going backwards. Bart?

I do not.

Jerry?

No. All set.

Carrie.

I don't know. It is kinda a tough one because it is a significant difference in the footprint of the house, even though we are kind of bringing it back.

I know. It's better like location.

A Different house. Yeah. Where is the bleaching field on the old plan? Is that

in the same location?

This is the old plan. Roughly the same.

Do we have info on the difference of the square footage of the house?

Don't know if that's on that colored plan. No. It just looks like they show the color difference.

Yeah. Just kind of just like an overlay.

So our choices are to recommend Did they come back?

I'm asleep again.

Think it was this one. That's the old plan with the overlay. There's a lot of info in this file with different folders.

Yeah, because it's been going on for a bit. So our options at hand are to recommend that they resubmit for an NOI. We can approve the amended plan or make an amended order of conditions.

Well, they'd have to come back to request an amended order of conditions.

This isn't the request? This is just

No, this is just a discussion. Okay. Yep. This is a discussion to see what you want them to do next.

Or the other thing that Trish mentioned was let it go forward, just recommend that stick with the old plans and file an as built. I know that seems like a nondecision. Yeah.

So the three things are they'd have to withdraw this, file a new notice of intent. They deal with under an as built when they request a certificate of compliance under this original order that was extended. Or they do an amend they request an amended order of conditions for this original order.

Personally, the as built seems like kind of a, oh, just do what you want and let us know later. I don't like that.

Usually that's like a minor change.

Yeah. It seems like not that.

So my feeling is there is a significant amount of difference in the footprint of the house that we should ask them to file a new notice of intent.

Yeah. Honestly, I think I could work with the amended since it's moving away from the wetlands is for me, personally. I feel like it is a bigger house, but it's moving the driveway out of the 25 foot. The house is in the 50 foot. Not I don't think the impact it has even changed, but I don't think the impact is that enormous. That's my personal opinion. Anybody else have a thought before we want to make a motion? Bart, Diane, anything?

I'm good.

Are you good enough to propose something?

Are you leaning towards issuing an amendment or asking them to refile a whole new notice of intent?

Well, they need to request the amendment. You don't yeah, you

can't What issue it recommendation we have them? We would like them to go for an amendment. Would like them to go for an NOI. Yes.

Yes. I like the

amendment. You

start over. You start over. Okay. Bart and I, our amendment. Carrie, Jerry, our start over. Diane, you are the tiebreaker.

I think an amendment will be fine. I wouldn't be in favor of an as built. But I think the impact is not increasing, so an amendment might be okay over a new notice of intent. Okay.

So you don't have to like vote, but I can give them a consensus. So it's It's basically a tight vote, but three to amendment. Right. Okay. I'll let them know.

We're not actually voting on anything.

What's that?

We're not actually voting on anything?

No. And so this is part of that. If you look at the policy that DEP has about amended order of conditions, this is one of the steps is to discuss it. And then now that you've, you know, we've kind of a consensus, I can reach out to them and tell them that they can now proceed with the request for amendment because they have to re notify abutters, they have to pay for a newspaper ad again, and then come to a, it's a hearing.

Okay. All right. Great. We have a couple minutes, so if we can do Let's do something easier than the minutes. I'm just

going to

try to get Yeah, Jen will have the minutes ready for the next meeting.

Totally fine. Yeah. I love trying to sneak in the bills, but I'm failing at it. Alright. Do I have a motion to pay Middleborough Gas and Electric the amount of $13.77? This is the Pratt Farm electric box for February to March.

So moved. Second.

Motion by Bart, second by Jerry. Any discussion? All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Jerry, aye.

Jerry, aye.

Bott, aye.

Diane, aye. We have a request for group use. One is from the Taunton River Watershed Alliance through BART at Pratt Farm, a bug walk with Blake Denias, the Plymouth County Extension Entomologist on May 24 at 1PM. Room for about 30 people. That sounds fun, Bart. Which day of the week is the twenty fourth?

Say again.

What day of the week is the twenty fourth?

Sunday.

Sunday. Nice. Does anybody have any questions or comments for Bart about that potential group use?

Sounds good.

All right. Do we have a motion to approve the group use for Pratt Farm for Sunday, May 24 at one p. M. For the Bug Walk?

So moved. Second.

Motion by Jerry, second by Kerry. All in favor? Roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Kerry, aye.

Jerry, By and aye. I

wish my kids were little. We also oh, and another bug walk. Do we have another son? Another bug walk on September 12 at 10AM, also at Peconi Farm. Same group, Taunton River Watershed Alliance through BART, and also with Blake Denias from the Plymouth County Extension Etymologist. Any questions for Bart on that? I'm going do it at both places. That's great. Do we have a motion to approve the group use for Piconee Farm on September 12 at 10AM for a bug walk?

So moved.

Motion by Jerry. Second. Second by Kerry. I should have said any discussion last time and I didn't. Any discussion? All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye.

Kerry, aye.

Jerry, aye. Badd, aye.

Diane, aye.

I keep saying real cold and I'm waiting for somebody else to go, oh, it's me.

Every time. Alright. Last, we have another request for group use, which is great. The Wildlands Trust actually wants to lead a full moonwalk at Pratt And Coney Farm on Friday, May 1, so coming up real soon from eight to 09:30PM. They're estimating 17 people, including the leaders. That's great. That was a great offer for them. Does anybody have any questions about that?

No, it looks good.

Yeah. They'll post the event on their calendar and we'll post it as well and sounds great. Alright. Do I have a motion to approve the Wildlands Trust full moon three mile full moon hike?

So move. At the Coney

Tunnel. Second.

Motion by Bart, second by Jerry. Any discussion? All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye.

Carrie, aye.

Jerry, aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

I love when outside groups do that. It just creates more awareness of the different properties. That's great.

Yeah. Definitely.

07:00. The request to amend the order of conditions for the Damascus River restoration with the Middleborough Lakeville Herring Commission. Something to read. The Middleborough Conservation Commission will hold a hearing under Mass General Law Chapter 131, Section 40, the Wetlands Protection Act, for an amended order of conditions to include an additional section of the Namaskat River to restore with an eco harvester from Wareham Street to the MBTA Bridge approximately eight tenths of a mile. Hearing was requested by Tom Barron, Middleborough Lakeville Herring Fishery Commission. Hearing will be held 04/16/2026 at 7PM in the Select Board Meeting Room at the Town Hall 10 Nickerson Ave and via remote. Hi.

Thank you very much, madam chair. I was so excited about coming here that I met Louise on Tuesday down at the Herring Run, she informed me it wasn't Tuesday, was Thursday, I was ready to come in time. But anyway, this will be our third weed removal project in the Namaskat River. We've been very blessed with the results. It's been very successful, especially our second one where we went from Wood Street down to the MBTA Trestle. That's our choke point. We can't get an Echo Harvester through there. You can barely get a kayak through there. And we took an awful lot of weeds from there. And since we've done that project, we have opened up the flow in the river.

There is if you drive on Vaughan Street and you stop the Vaughan Street Bridge and you look left, the main channel goes to the right and there's a little what we call the canoe path or whatever. But you can see actually ripples and there's current going through there. It used to take thirty one days to get a drop of water from Asswamsted Pond down to Wareham Street. And last year because of our drought conditions and whatever, within two days, the Taunton Water Department let out water and we were able to get water there. And so this will be our third weed removal project.

And once we do this, the only part that we haven't done is from the Vaughan Street Bridge up to the dam itself. It's been very successful. I'm here on behalf of the Herring, but it's more holistic than this. It opened the rivers open to the residents of Middleborough, the residents of Lakeville. So many kayakers and canoes come from all over to enjoy it. And we got so many compliments after our last project that they could do it because come the July, the August 1, nobody can paddle it with the invasive mill foil in it. Do you have any questions I could answer for you?

I remember all of the planning on the last one in terms of where you were taking material off the Eco Harbister and that where is your entry and exit point this time? Same place or?

Well, again, we've been blessed with Pat Freitas and her nephews, David and Scott, we use their land before to access the weeds. This year because we're in another section and they live up, it would be south. Actually Chris Peck has given us a spot to dump it on the deep on his Grove Street property. That's where we're going to access the Echo Harvest to win. That was out.

I would have been here a month ago or so, but we had problems trying to get that. But again, we just have so much cooperation with these projects that we do in it. It entails so much. I I know I'm just coming for you asking for this, but first of all, we need funding. We need $35,000 We got that from Allison Bowden and Maria Gabriel from Nature Conservancy.

We have help from Serpid. I couldn't do this project without Tricia and Jen and Katie from their department, all the help they give me. Again, we need a place to dump the weeds, a place to put the Echo Harvester in. And then and after we go through all this whole process, then we have to once we if and when we get approved, I think we will from you, then we have to send it out to National Heritage, Department of Marine Fisheries, Department of Fish and Gain, DEP. I might be forgetting some other agencies.

But it's just it's an awful lot of cooperation we get. We're a volunteer organization and we don't have the funding. We're just blessed to have what we have, all the cooperation and the help we get. I'm very grateful.

That's great. Any questions or comments, Carrie?

No. I think this is great. I saw someone kayaking the Namaskar today actually and can't wait to get back out there.

And again, this time of year, it's okay because Yeah. We've had a little high water from the spring, but it's in August. Yeah. And the invasive mill foil just grows across the pond. Totten Water Supply probably in June sometime, we'll we'll put the boards up. That's the headwaters of the Damascus River. Yeah. So it'll stop the flow. And any preceding water that's in the swamp is gonna drain. If you notice in the river itself, all the green growth growing up right now, that's gonna suck up some of the water. So it's okay in the spring for our adult herring. Our problems arise. With the babies? With the babies. With the fry coming up.

So what time of year do they come back?

If we have extremely high water, they can leave any time at all like twenty ten, eleven and twelve. They could leave whenever they wanted. Normally once they lay their eggs, takes approximately, I think it's twenty five days before they're big enough that they could actually leave the pond. Okay. For the most part, because what happens every single year, they board up the dam.

Mhmm. And then we end up in Asawamsa Palm, we end up with 24 to 28 feet of shoreline, so they can't access it. So it's not until October, November, I call it the late hurricane rains come and fill the pond up, which reverses the flow. Like right now the flow is going from Long Pond to Assawamsa to Great Quiddickes to Parkshire to Assawamsa and Notre Dame. Well, it reverses in August. It goes from Long Pond to Assawamsa to Paxia to Great Quiddickes because Little Quiddickes is the pumping station for New Bedford and Assawamsa is for Taunton Water Works.

So given that, what time of year do you want to do this Eagle Harvester project?

In our permit, we are only given two weeks out of the year. The first two weeks in August. So we always try to have C and D, they're the Echo Harvest, the company. We book them for the first five days in August. And then if there's rain or anything else we go from there. That's our only time constraint. And we need to have John Crane, the turtle expert on the Echo Harvest to look for anything that comes up, any turtles or any other wildlife that gets sucked up.

Jerry? So the turtles that get sucked up, if

they do, are they okay? Yes. This Echo Harborser, if you can picture a flat bottom boat and in the front it has a big barrel on it. It has two paddle wheels on the side. It runs on vegetable oil, if anything happens it doesn't hurt the river.

And what basically we're looking for, the reason it has this barrel is because the invasive milfoil comes up and grows out and this barrel wraps it around and it pulls it up by the roots and it's that you can have a three foot white root on the bottom of it. And as it comes up the conveyor, John Crane is standing there watching. I mean, he's got fish this big, little turtles, anything. It doesn't really hurt. He grabs them and throws them right in the river. And that's why under our permit, we need John Crane on the boat.

Sounds

good. And then what they do is they go to shore and then they reverse the process and the conveyor dumps the weeds from the back, puts it on the shore. They put it in the truck and we bring it over and then we rake through the piles to see if we find anything. Last year, we found I think maybe two or three little pickerel about this big and maybe I think it was 27 crayfish. The crayfish get caught up in the weeds, you can't catch all of them.

Yes. Understandable.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Bart?

I like it.

Diane, any questions or comments? No questions. I appreciate you guys doing this. I think

it's helpful for the river. You.

Sorry, Trish, sorry with you.

Oh, no. I mean, I know all about this. I've been on the Eco Harvester actually. So I've seen it in progress in

Yes, last year she said she wanted to go on. Said, know,

you looking for volunteers this year?

I'll tell you, we can always look for volunteers to help us break through the process, yes.

Yes, let us know.

Okay. And I'll let you know exactly what's And going to be thank you very much. That's the biggest thing that we have to do. And we're all old and we're getting older. And it's very high when you have a pile of mill foil that's it's a truckload. It's

overwhelming amounts.

Rake through it in 90 degree heat, it's brutal. But that's part of what we have to do. I don't know.

Bring your fan.

Can I bring my fan?

Do we have any questions?

I think you need a big fan, sir.

Do we have any questions or comments from the public? All right. Do I have a motion to approve the amendment to the order of conditions to do another round of eco harvester work on the Damascus.

So moved.

Motion by Bart. Second by Cherry. Any discussion? All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Terry, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bart, aye.

Faye and I. Great. Thank you very

Thank you very much, ma'am.

Great project.

And again, I couldn't do it without these ladies.

Now I know. You're welcome. I

know. I know.

No, it really is true. Without this the regulatory environment needs a lot of people to interpret it. It's really true.

Yeah, it's a lot of paperwork that isn't normal to life. No, no. Yeah. Thank you

very much. Yeah.

Alright, take care.

Thank you.

Just we have like a little couple of minutes here. Oh. Anything Conservation lands it quick. We didn't have anything else to vote on this.

Let's see. I actually can talk about let's go down here. Just give you an update on the budget.

Great. Okay.

So in Dropbox, I may have put this in for the April 2 meeting, but just my email that went to the interim town manager about kind of a plan that we were suggesting for conservation and for the town. And then there was a budget presentation by the interim town manager on March 16, that's in there. And then, I put Nancy actually sent a letter, I guess letter of support for the department, to the interim town manager. And that's because we have potential layoffs. So there's still potential and the unions, I can't get into it too much, but the unions are in the middle of negotiating.

I have been told that at the select board meeting on April 27, so Monday, April 27, there'll be another presentation by the interim town manager on where we're at at that point in time. I do know that there's still lots of moving parts. I think there's still information that we're waiting for from the state. So that's

kind

of where it's at. June 1, the select board had voted for June 1 to be the new town meeting date instead of April 27, which it originally was. So, you know, the timeline's moving fast only because, of course, for town meeting, the select board is gonna have to vote on the warrant for the town meeting. That has to get published two weeks before town meeting. So that's like the May.

And of course, have Memorial Day in there too. Too. That's of where we're where we're at right now. But, yeah, I can't talk about any, like, personnel specifically because it's going through the unions. That's that.

Conservation lands, can just touch on quickly. Peconi Farm, that attorneys have been going back and forth about the license agreement for the haying of the property, maintenance that Rich Peconi Jr. And Anders Martinson the fourth would be interested in helping us with. So, you know, there's just I provided my comments the other day. So hopefully we can get a final draft pretty soon and that can get signed.

So I'll bring that before all of you when that's ready. And then quickly, the Stony Brook Dam at Pratt Farm. This is because it's going to be reconstructed very soon. We're going to be doing the RFP soon. Right now, the archaeological survey is going to be happening the week Suzanne from the public archaeology lab said probably the week of the twenty seventh, they'll start doing that.

Broadmens Museum of Archaeology is having an archaeology fair on the twenty seventh. Did. Did see Which sounded great. It would

just be

nice if they could Tend to coordinate it I mean, it's kind of interesting to see archaeology in I action in

can let them know. Yeah, honestly.

Because they were having a lot of hands on stuff and plans and what's more hands on than the actual real big.

Okay. Excellent. Yeah. So all that paperwork has been submitted to Mass Historical Commission. They also notified the tribal communities. And so it's yeah, it's all in process. Yeah. They already heard back from Mass Historic, so that's why it'll be ready to start on the twenty seventh Great. Or that week anyway. It's moving. Yes. And I didn't put it up here, but we did tell the Sanborn map that the Pratt Farm map is final. Katie and Darren have been trying to put it on the website, but we need to get another format because it doesn't accept PDFs on the website. Why?

It's the basis of so many things. We'll meet as a step. At least get a PDF on there so people can print it at home or whatever. But then, yes, hopefully, you'd like it to be.

I was going to say that's how the other map is.

Like a link?

Yeah, you can download it.

Yeah, because then you could, yeah, if they have a link they can still download on their phone and follow it while they're walking. It's

Because you can't, if it's just a photo, can't click on it and necessarily print it out as easy as a PDF would be.

Right. So we can try that.

Maybe start with the PDF.

Start with the link.

And then get the photo on there eventually.

Right. Or do a QR code or something. Yeah.

Great. Alright. We are at 07:15. We are at item number three, the notice of intent for off Dispeakin Street and 23 Gibbs Road for Camp Avoda. The Middleborough Conservation Commission will hold a hearing under Mass General Law Chapter 131 Section 40 of the Wetlands Protection Act for the construction of a 100 foot by 165 foot athletic field within 100 feet of a bordering vegetated wetland off Tispequin Street and 23 Gibbs Road, Map 72, Lot 1668 And 2253.

Hearing has been requested by Camp Aboda Inc. Hearing will be held 04/16/2026 at 07:15PM in the Select Board Meeting Room at the Town Hall 10 Nickerson Avenue, remote. Before we start, do I have a motion to vote into the record a revised page one of the notice of intent?

So moved.

Motion by Bart.

Second.

Second by Jerry. All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Kerry, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bart, aye.

Hi, Anna. Great. Hi.

Hi. Greg Drake from Uplic Engineering representing Camp Avoda. The applicant is proposing to add a new athletic field, 100 by 165 to their summer camp facility on Gibbs Road. The new field is located on both the Tippis Quinn property and the Gibbs property. Most of the work is located within the 100 foot buffer of wetlands on-site and to the north of the property.

As part of the project, there's an existing drainage ditch, that they're planning to put a pipe in and fill over. It'll still run, but it, make it easier to put the field in. Now the work encroaches in the 25 foot no touch. We've proposed conservation signs and a post and rail fence in designated areas to prevent or deter people from going into the buffer zone. And there's silt fencing for erosion control all around the edge of the property and the work is the limit of work on the project. And I open it up to any questions you may have.

Okay. Trish?

Guess one of my questions is, so how did you determine it was a ditch and not in an intermittent stream or perennial Straight,

you know Okay. Dug and pretty much looks very man made, and there was no water running through when I was there, and that was I forget why we did that. But

Okay.

But you certainly can go take a look, but it's

Yeah. I thought that, if it was connecting to resource areas, it would be at the very least an intermittent stream.

Looks like a drainage ditch sheet, but you can take a look seems to at connect

to on this area, so then

it's connecting because you're maintaining the connection with the 136 foot long 12 inches pipe.

If it's connected on both ends, then it is a resource area also because you have a hydrologic connection. Just I'm just putting it out there.

And so you haven't seen it yet?

No, I haven't been out there. I figured maybe you might want to do a Okay. Commission site

You look at it by eye and it looks like it's stuck.

Is that long? I mean, I don't have many reference points for that. But is that long for a 12 inches pipe, 136 feet in terms of maintaining it?

No, that should that should be fine. It wasn't letting a lot of flow. I don't know what there is in the spring. I mean, maybe that's why it'd be good to go out there and look at it. You know? I don't

know. Carrie?

Mean, other than that, it looks pretty straightforward. Yeah, we probably should take a look at it to see what's going on there. Jerry?

Yeah, agree. Site visit is needed.

Bart? I

like site visits. He does. Diane?

No questions. Okay. So if we can continue oh, any questions or comments from the public? Thank you. Oh, terrific. If you can come up and just state your name, great.

My name is Darlene Anastas. I live at 17 Gibbs Road which is directly impacted by this. And I've written a little statement and I have a copy for you as well. Thank you. I strongly recommend that the commission denied the proposed construction of a playing field in the sensitive wetlands area located on Campo Voda's property adjacent to 17 Gibbs Road.

This area is predominantly wetland featuring diverse wetland vegetation, seasonal ponding, muck and a flowing stream. The combination of wetland and woodland serves a critical habitat for various local wildlife species including fox, deer, coyote, spotted turtle, fox turtle and snapping turtle as well as owl, hawk, eagle and wild turkeys. Many small mammals also inhabit this area. I have personally observed turtles establishing their spring nesting sites in the areas surrounding the pond favoring the shadiest portions of the woods and also in the tall grass. The properties at 17 And 23 Gibbs Road traverse a large wetland area with the marsh and spring fed pond.

The latter feature is located primarily on 17 Gibbs Road and drains into Tisbahcun Pond between via an ancient agricultural ditch. This pond supports frogs, salamanders, and wild ducks as well as the aforementioned spotted box and snapping turtles. The proposed field would be only 11 feet from the property line risking disturbance to this delicate ecosystem. Protecting these wetlands is essential. Should this project proceed, I have additional concerns including contamination of groundwater affecting private wells, use of chemicals and mosquitoes spraying, which has already harmed my bees, light pollution and noise from loudspeakers, which negatively impact neighbors and wildlife.

In addition, I am concerned about trespassing onto my property. Thank you for your attention to these critical environmental and community concerns. And I have a copy. Thank you, Najita.

Saves the note taking. You very much. All right, any other questions or comments from the public? Any questions? We'd like to go out and see it because of that ditch connection, we're making that our next step. We're not going to decide anything tonight. Everyone has wanted to go see it in person as a site.

Yes. The property was part of the Wixton Farm a long time ago. And it was also that pond is a very the pond that's on my property and also on a Vogtus property, it goes spans both of them is very it's always there's always water in it and it's very deep.

Is that connected to Tess Bikwin Pond?

It's not directly connected. It's independent. It's on 17 Gibbs Road and it goes into 23 Gibbs Road.

Okay.

It spans the the property line.

Okay? Thank you very much.

Thank you. And I would love it to know when you plan to Yeah,

we don't. We I don't know how that stands because Campo Vauda is public but it's still private.

Yeah, they would cite this.

We have permission to go on but don't necessarily have permission for other people to join us. If that makes sense.

Right. But if you're gonna come on to my property to look at the pond, would like to know if you're

gonna Oh, come yeah. Okay.

And my phone number and contact number is

Perfect.

Information that's there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. So, do you want to set up a site visit right now?

Yeah. Always works. Let me get my We don't need it. Do we need, well, do

we need anything marked out beforehand? Yeah. Did you You

haven't staked anything yet.

No. Okay.

So we can do that.

That would be great. Yeah. Just take

the four corners or the Yeah.

And they're you know, that's they've got a gate and everything, they need to I got to go back to them and let no updates that you guys can do it.

So Oh, yeah.

Know. Because there's not always someone there either.

So Yeah.

Right. During this, it's off season.

Yep. Okay. And we can do I mean, do you think

it's easier for them and you

guys to do during the week, after five or weekends, mornings?

Probably during the week after five. Okay. I think.

And if have the sunlight, we can do that now.

Yeah. Finally. Yeah.

So, I mean, I could do next Tuesday.

I was just looking at next Tuesday. What? I was looking at Tuesday as well.

You were? Okay, twenty first.

Tuesday the twenty first.

That's good for me.

I can't.

Oh, you can't? What's good for you, Jerry?

How's Wednesday?

Wednesday is good.

It's Earth Day.

It is.

How appropriate.

Thursday is good.

Week might be a little weird. It is school vacation. Oh, don't have anything, Glenn, right now. I do do things last minute sometimes. But it doesn't matter. Pick whatever.

Can we say Wednesday the twenty second? Or do we have Earth Day plans?

No. Those could be Earth I do not. I'll be working.

Wednesday the twenty second at 05:30? Too late? Wednesday the twenty second at 05:30?

I will check with Yeah. I think I might not be available, but that doesn't mean Jason can't be there. Okay. Yeah. So Jason you know.

Do you want another date just in case?

Yeah. Because I gotta check with Campo Voto to make sure they have someone there too.

I can't do Thursday because I have a river access subcommittee meeting.

What about Monday the twenty seventh?

That's a select board meeting night. Tuesday, the twenty eighth, sorry. I could do the twenty eighth. Okay. Or the twenty ninth.

Is one better than the other?

Twenty eighth is good for me.

'20 for twenty

eighth twenty So I good can't

twenty eighth is an alternate date at 05:30.

Okay.

So what's the primary date?

The twenty second. Wednesday, the twenty second. Earth Day. I like it. Hopefully, it's nice out.

So we'll continue this

to, May 7 is the next meeting.

Do I have a motion to continue to the May 7 meeting? So moved. Second. Cari, second by Bart. All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Carrie, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bot, aye.

And aye.

Thank you. You.

Katie, I'm gonna put the the letter the a better letter in there. Alright.

Because I don't know what. Item

number four is a discussion of Plain Street conservation restriction. Since it's a discussion, I have no legal add.

Don't

know. Greg, are you here for the CR? No. Okay. Great.

Very efficient.

You did send the plan over. Yes.

Thank you.

I can just give a brief overview if you like. You guys need to look at it first? Or

We can see it on here. Yeah. You can do I want you to

for fun taking off. So the so this property, the owner's gonna propose five lots. You guys have already noticed they've been we did the wetland line out there. It was approved by you guys back in June. So since the entire property was within Natural Heritage, we had to file an application with them.

And that is what bringing on this plan here. We are currently working with them to develop a plan that has the minimal amount of impact on the site and for the five lots, and then, try to protect as much upland and wetland as possible. So after a few revisions, the current plan you see right now is the one we just sent to Natural Heritage, they haven't commented on it yet. And that has like nine acres of total disturbance on the site. And the green area is upland and the other area is wetland, so that's about 58 acres that would be in the conservation restriction as part of this.

Open up to any questions.

Where's the nine acres of disturbance?

What's that?

You said there's nine acres of disturbance?

Yes, all where the All the lots. All the lots are. That's nine acres.

Oh, that's all, okay. All the houses. Oh, no, sorry. I thought

you meant like, I was I'm interpreting this wetland disturbance.

Oh. Sorry. I can see the building.

Any questions or comments, Trish?

Yes, I have a couple of things. I did talk to Joe Mandeal from Planning today, the town planner. And he said that lots one and two have been approved under Formays with planning? Yes.

The others have not.

Yep. And then the three retreat lots have not yet because you were waiting to get through the MISA application.

Correct.

So I just want to make sure like he and I were on the same page. And I told him that this was before us tonight so that he knows what to expect. And I said, let's see. Yeah. I said the commission would be they're being asked to accept the conservation restriction under, this plan.

The restriction and not the land.

Right. So the people that will own the houses will own the land, but there'll be a restriction layer over it. And then I would assume that there'd be some signage where that CR line is.

Well, know, get into that kind of detail. Yeah.

Okay. We have had things similar for subdivisions like Harvestwood Estates, Stone Estates, was down off Marion Road, that map Falconeri developed. I know there's others. Those are the few that come to mind. Paragon. But they have signage at that boundary. Split rail fence sometimes. Harvestwood has a split rail fence with the signs. That's nice.

Natural heritage will want us to have signs out there.

We had real issues at Tarragon.

Yeah, Tarragon was an issue. That that wasn't a natural heritage CR. That was an open space subdivision CR.

Just But that idea that there's conservation land surrounding Tarragona space, but it's in people's backyards. And no one a stop and start was a real issue. Right.

Yep.

Yep. So just to bring that up. Also, is kind of on the side, but I was wondering it looks like you're going to have two ADUs proposed. One on Lot 3 And 1 on lot

And there's one on

5. Five?

All the retreat lots have ADUs proposed.

Oh, okay. Oh, I see. Okay. So that's eight houses. Okay. So my other question is just because I'm on the stormwater committee, because I know this is outside the commission's jurisdiction. Are you going to do stormwater?

That would be

With planning.

I'll have to ask. I don't know if we need to do that for each residential lot.

Isn't it five? Well, have more than four lots.

Okay. Well, I'm gonna talk to Jason on

that one.

So find out. Yeah. I'm just bringing it up, just FYI.

Yeah.

Great. But

we wanna know ahead of time, obviously.

Yep. So, I think that's all I had.

I guess I'm confused. So where are the I see the one, two, three, four, five. Where are the other three?

They're ADUs, so they're the accessory dwelling units.

Yeah. I get that.

So it shows one. No, get one I don't see

the other ones. I see So

there's one here. Can see it with all the grading.

It's back there.

Oh. Oh, it's not labeled.

That's maybe you. Yeah. It's labeled here, but it's not labeled.

Yeah. Just looks like part of the grading plan.

So why are we calling like

so this retreat lot would belong

So how does a retreat lot work? What are the requirements to get that in there without the frontage?

Because it has the frontage of 40

or 50 feet that

it And

then it needs so many thousand square feet of

upland. So

it's meeting all the requirements for tree plot.

So why is the wetland portion not part of the conservation restriction?

It is. It is? You're just highlighting the upland.

I'm highlighting the Okay.

Right. Okay.

Anything else,

Trish? No. I just was going to ask about the acreage, but it's up at the top of the plan.

Yeah. All the numbers are

Never mind.

How is Lot 5? What is that?

It's connected right here with this very narrow. So that's five, narrows down, opens back up.

But how do you access it?

Right here. That's just an imaginary line. This green line is just where the conservation restriction starts. So right there, you can walk that way. But it's just a very narrow

It's narrow a little driveway?

It's just not even

a It's conceptual too. You're just at a point. Yeah. Because you You know, you're not going into detail. Each lot is gonna be detailed. This is we get to that point. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Any questions or comments, Carrie?

That's all I Jerry?

No.

I'm all set.

Bart?

No questions.

Diane? No. All right. So this is just a discussion. So do we have any commentary for you? Just I guess. So it's kind of

whether you want to accept the conservation restriction or not. That's tonight's decision? Well, I mean, you don't have to make the decision tonight. It's just a discussion. And then they would have to come back. But I think you guys are kind of in a time do you have a timeframe or?

No, because this is a draft, which I think is we've sent a draft to them and this is roughly exactly what they're looking for. They haven't commented yet. So it hasn't been totally finalized. If what we wanna do is show it to you and tell them you guys are open to it and

It seems like everyone's open to it. Think I definitely echo Trish's concerns about marking where that property where that conservation

because we can re relap leave it to

That would be great.

Representative data.

Boulders are great. The storm water too because Yeah.

If you have to start adding in storm

water I don't know. They're individual lots, so I don't know how that's gonna work. We're be sold as that.

So Yeah. It just started

as one lot.

I understand. They're

just had

to do that. Right? I know. Yes.

Summer Street? Yeah. For what? I'm sorry. Stormwater. Yeah. Yes. They did. After four well, because some of that's in the resource area. True. So that's under our stormwater regs for wetlands protection, But this might fall yes, under it's outside our jurisdiction, but so it might fall under either planning or the stormwater bylaw. Do you want to check the stormwater bylaw?

Yeah, I'll do that.

But yeah, if there was if some of this was in the buffer zone for work, then it would be under the stormwater regulations under the Wetlands Protection Act.

None of this construction is even in a jurisdiction?

No. No, we're just talking about the cultivation restriction Right.

Thank you. That's all

we need for now.

It's just giving our comments back. Everyone seems pleased. And just that comment about

So we get a finalized plan and detailed information from the natural heritage and what they're gonna want. I know they're gonna want some kind of signage or something. Yeah. You know?

And Yeah. And then if you have a draft CR, the actual document

Yeah.

That's all gonna be put together too.

Right. And we'll want town council to review that.

Yeah.

Okay. And they do they usually want fencing also? Like, some sort of

I don't know. I guess it's gonna be up to it depends.

I mean, I don't know. Others, I think they've had posts and things like that.

Some have had posts. I know that the one that's like Stone Estates or whatever down off of Marion Road, they put in these I think they're I'm not sure what material they're made out of, but they're almost like those gas lines. They're flat where they stay on

the gas

line. They use those for the CR markers, and there was a homeowner that stuck one in their recycle bin. And another homeowner called our office and

Well, that's what I was gonna say.

That had to be retrieved and reset.

Reset. Yeah. Yeah. So Take them down.

I like the split rail fence idea. I'm

They would like to see something more permanent because we have seen it where the homeowner Or post twenty years later Yeah. Has no idea there's a conservation restriction there. Right. Right. So

Yep. Full time.

Yeah. Because I don't want to have like an issue where they start clearing it for they think they're going to have a paddock or something and they're like, nope.

No. That should be in the deed, but, you know, people sometimes don't read their deed.

It gets lost and It

gets lost

in translation.

Down the road, a couple of honors. Alright. You know? So

Okay.

But we'll put that all together.

Great. Alright.

So Thank you.

Okay. Alright. Thank

Yeah. They can be moved too. Alright.

Item number five. The continuation of the request for determination of applicability for 321 Wareham Street. We do have some revised plans to vote in. Do I have a motion to vote into the record revised plans dated 04/09/2026?

So moved. Motion by Bart.

Second. Second by Carrie. All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye.

Carrie, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bart, aye.

Diana, aye. Great. Niles, is that what you're on for?

Yes. Great. Good evening.

Hi there. Hello.

For the record, Niles from Zenith. So I believe at the last hearing, there was the only concern was that or item that was left open was the fact that, Tricia had not been out to the site. Mhmm. And I believe she's since done that. We revised the plan to add a little some additional erosion control around the cesspool that's out there. And besides that, I believe that's it. Everything else is completely outside the buffer. And I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have.

Trish? Yes. So I went out and did a site visit last week, I think

it was.

And yes, I just wanted to have more protection around where the existing septic system is going to be decommissioned for the smaller house. So that's what Niles put on the plan. And then everything else is outside our jurisdiction.

Okay. Any questions or comments, Carrie? No. Gerry?

All set.

Bart?

No questions.

Diane? No questions. Wow. Do I have a motion any questions or comments from the public? Okay. So we need our traditional RDA debate.

Probably would be a negative three.

That's what

I'm thinking, but it's up to you guys.

So negative three, if the activity is within the buffer zone as defined by the regulations but will not alter an area subject to protection under the act, then we could add specific conditions. So do I have a motion to issue a negative three determination for the RDA on 321 Wareham Street?

So moved. Motion by Kerry.

Second.

Second by Bart. Any discussion? All in favor of roll call vote? Nancy, aye. Jerry, aye. Bart, aye. Diane, aye. Great. It'd be great to have that property rehabbed. Is Yeah. It's a wonderful house. 15 bedrooms.

Oh, wow. Yeah. It's crazy.

While we are signing, we can do our parade of continuations. Item number six, the continuation of the notice of intent for 64 Benson Street. Do I have a motion to continue the hearing until May 7?

I'll move.

Motion by Second.

Hart, second by Perry. All in favor, roll call vote. Nancy, aye. Jerry,

aye. Aye. Vote aye.

Say anye. Item number seven on the agenda, the request for the certificate of compliance for 18 Powen Drive. Do I have a motion to move that to the May 7 meeting?

So moved.

Motion by Bart. Second. Second by Kerry. All in favor. Roll call vote. Nancy,

aye. Kerry, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bot, aye.

And aye. Item number eight. Do I have a motion this is the continuation of the notice of intent for 18 Cowan Drive. Do I a have motion to continue to the May 7 meeting?

So moved.

Motion by Bart, second by Carrie. All in favor, roll call. Nancy, aye. Carrie, aye.

Jerry, aye. Bot, aye.

Aye. Number nine, the continuation of the notice of intent for Off Stone Street. Do I have a motion to continue to the May 7 meeting?

So moved.

Motion by Gerry. Second. Second by Bart. All in favor? Nancy, aye. Gerry, aye.

Gerry, aye. Fad, aye.

Diane, aye. Item number 10, the continuation of the abbreviated notice of resource area delineation for 253 To 259 Wood Street. Do I have a motion to continue to the May 7 meeting?

So moved.

By Gerry, second by Bart. All in favor, Nancy, aye. Gerry, aye.

Gerry, aye. Bot, aye.

Saying aye.

Item number 11, the continuation of the abbreviated notice of resource area delineation for 525 To 529 Wareham Street. Do I have a motion to continue to the May 7 meeting?