Historic Preservation Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Today is Wednesday, September 18, 2024. We are at the Village Hall Council Chambers and it's 6.30 p.m. Can we have a call of order, Madam Clerk, please?

Yes, we have Ms. Burke, Ms. Bonaduce. Here. Ms. Headley. Here. Mr. Serrano. Here. We have Mr. Sade. Here. And also I want to introduce Mr. Eddie Nunez, who's our Interim Planning and Zoning Director for the time being. Welcome, Mr. Nunez, to our board. And Ms. Paola Corazberg, who's our new HPB board member. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you.

Before going to item number three, the minutes, I want to first welcome the whole board after summertime. Hope you had a wonderful time. And I want to... Yeah, well, I know, I know, only a month, but it's okay, we miss you. And I want to congratulate. There's no live stream. Ah, there's no live stream.

It's live, it's just taking a little bit too.

Yes, it has a small delay.

So you might have to refresh.

Yes, refresh to see. As I was saying, I want to congratulate the reappointment of Jeffrey Sade. Jeffrey, congratulations on your reappointment. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And I want to welcome a new member today, Paula Sperg Correa, that is here. She's a valuable architect and will, if you want to share just some words and introduce yourself.

Okay, thank you so much. I don't think this is working, right?

Yes, it's working.

Okay. Thank you so much for the welcoming. I'm very happy to be here and hope that I can help with all the processes that you guys have been doing and making such a difference with the village.

Do you have the rollerblades? Because this is a great activist board, okay? You will catch up and you'll do a great, great job. Just for your information, every time we have a new member, this is the folder I used to give to everyone. I have to give it to you with, you know, like... important data about the local designation, about the list, about every important information that you as a board member should and might have. All this database has been donated to the village hall and to the library, and we are finishing a great book that we'll talk about later about all the historic houses in Miami Shore. We're starting with the centennial ones.

Excellent.

So let's go to item number three, the approval of the minutes of July 17, 2024. Do I have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve.

Second?

Yes, aye.

All in favor?

Aye.

Okay, minutes approved, Ms. Alice. Okay, today's gonna be a very short meeting, but we have a very important discussion item, number four for A, the unveiling of plaques for two recently historic designated houses. One was last night. and the other one was just waiting to have the summertime to organize it. So what are the updates about this unveiling of the plaques, Alice?

So good news, we already have the plaque in our possession. It's just a matter of coordinating the dates. I'll have Mr. Nunez elaborate a little bit more

You're talking about the first one on 93rd Street? Yes. Let me, out of record, let me just state the full address. 525 Northeast 93rd Street is a house designed by a remarkable architect, and the same architect that designed the library. And everything is as planned, you have the plaque already, right?

Yes, it's ready. We just need to proceed with the unveiling. We're getting this done quickly now.

We're a lot faster than they used to be. Plaque ready, okay. So, Mr. Nunez?

So at this point in time, our office has already submitted essentially a list of conflict dates to the manager's office. So we're waiting to hear back from them on when would be an acceptable date in October so then we can, or maybe a few dates, yes.

Options for the village and the owner, I guess.

Correct, so then once we have, maybe we'll have a few dates that they provide us, and then we'll share with the board members, and then you can have a discussion as to what works best for everyone involved.

Great. And it has to be installed as well? Yes.

I believe it happens... Yes, before.

Yeah, you guys install before with the homeowners and then...

I did have a question because in the past it's been always tradition to do the unveilings on a weekday. Yes. Is the board open to something on a weekend perhaps or do you want to still stick to the weekday?

I mean, I think really it's more a question to the city council because we want city council members to be in attendance. So I would...

I agree with you. I prefer that you have attendance of the village council.

I think they prefer...

Yes, Jeffrey?

Yeah, the other thing is that we got some criticism for having the village staff helping us on these events. And if we do it on a weekend, I don't think they're going to.

It's going to be more expensive. Yeah, you're right.

Let's take that in consideration as well. I think that either or, if we have the date in advance, everybody can organize their agenda.

They've typically been on Thursdays for whatever reason. That would be a good thing.

We've in the past had the privilege to have it on the actual meeting date sometimes. It helps to function and also bring back some pictures and memories and ideas of what happened and how to do it better.

What we used to do is that they set up a tent, music, and the podium to have some small speeches about the house, the architecture, the owner. and then take pictures and post it. And the plaque is already been installed days prior according, you know, the homeowners, you know, taste. So we just put like some kind of veiling and then ta-da, we unveiled the historic designation.

And we also announced it beforehand, I think, in the social media because, for instance, Bob's house, we had a great turnout. But with Jennifer's house it was kind of last minute.

And we have some local vendors to like donate some drinks and snacks so it's like a small gathering happy hour for to get you know owner of the house. Okay so so far we're trying to plan scheduling for October not yet. Yes. Yes, well, that plaque is not even being made yet, so it's going to be taking more than November.

Right, it usually takes a couple months, right, to make the plaque?

Typically between four to six weeks. Good, good.

Yes, yeah, four to six weeks to make the plot.

Yes, so we have time. That was recently designated yesterday, and just out of record for the public, this is the first colonial house, southern colonial revival house that is being designated in Miami Shore. There always been or Mediterranean style or mid-century modern, but this is like a good change of architectural styles. Very exciting. for the record at least we have to like first wait to have the plaque done and I guess at this point with all the holidays will be for the beginning of 2025. Any other comments from the board about the discussion items about the unveiling of the plaques? At this pace, I think we have already, with these two houses, we have six houses in the past 24 months, which is a huge record, okay? And we have two more in the pipeline.

Very nice. Yeah, six in the last 24 months and the first in 25 years.

Yes, more than that. It's 27. It was 27 years?

The first one we designated was the first time. With the Bob Smith house, yes. 25, I thought it was 25 years, yeah.

So, item number five, public comments. I will omit that and I will go to item number six, board member comments. If you have some ideas and please welcome to... to talk to the board.

I have a question about Daniel's reinvestment.

Is that being processed? What's the latest on that, please, for the items that we submitted for him? I'll let Mr. Nunez answer that. It's regarding the reimbursement.

Yeah, so, you know, the wheels of government turn a little bit slow, but I can confirm that the paperwork and the data that staff had to submit has been submitted. So it's essentially in the hands of the finance department and so on and so forth and being dispersed. So I don't know how long that takes, but we've done our part in order to get that

You processed everything, so it's just a matter of being.

That is correct.

Okay, and your second comment, Jeffrey?

Thank you, Jeffrey, Alison, Eddie.

What was that, sorry?

Your second comment.

Actually, I have three, I'm sorry.

Okay, we'll wait, okay, okay.

The second one has to do with the grant we received from the Miami Shores Community Alliance. It was $500. Wasn't a lot. But we need to report to the alliance by December 1st about how we're using that money. And so we still haven't made a plan for using it. So I wanted to throw that out. Not sure if... One of my ideas was to utilize it for helping expand that we listed on our grants application that we would be doing.

Okay. Okay, so we have pending then ideas for the next meeting to use those $500, that's what you're proposing?

Yeah, so we need ideas.

Okay.

We have to submit what the plan is for the five year by December 1st.

Yes, so we have time, yes, okay, good. So let's talk about. Perfect because May is our May of you know celebrations and historic things. We have plenty of ideas. We will have plenty of ideas how to use that. Okay so the third one.

And that's the marker guidelines, which were presented at the Village Council, and that was a big fiasco, if you remember.

Yeah, so that was my question. Maybe, Eddie, do you have an answer for that? My understanding...

The question is, is somebody reviewing the guidelines? So what the Village Council said, we need to make sure that we have... That we have...

Yeah, legal. And so I just kind of want to add on to that just, you know, for everyone in the public to know that unfortunately, I think that this is a situation where because we didn't have, you know, a a planning director and we had the interim. We were not advised, obviously we are not, you know, we're volunteers of the community and we need guidance from staff as to what the protocol is for next steps and nobody advised us of that and it was presented to the city council and it was quite embarrassing because we're doing our job by making recommendations. They had asked us for that and staff never advised us that the process needed to go through legal first And I would just like to have that clarified to the city council that it wasn't, you know, it wasn't anything we did.

No, we were requested to propose those. Yeah.

But it wasn't anything that we as a board did incorrectly. It was that we did not get properly, you know, we didn't get the information from staff.

So let me just catch up with Ayedi maybe, I don't know if you are aware, and also for you, Paula. We were requested as a board, historic board, to like propose guidelines for the historic markets. not yesterday, the previous meeting, I went there with our proposed guidelines. And then Isabelli and the council stated that we shouldn't have, you know, exposed our guideline without going first to the legal department and to what else it was?

I think it was the legal department. And staff to dry it needs to review it and make sure everything is in court in accordance.

I think prior to going to legal, but that's a pending thing that maybe you can just take care of about the guidelines that we already submitted that needs to be review before the village Council approved it and incorporated to the ordinances.

I'll follow up with our legal department. I do believe it is with them at this point in time. So yes, you're right. Okay. The procedure would be, it goes through a legal, you know, they check it for sufficiency just to make sure everything is the way it should. Language and everything. It comes to staff and then I believe staff prepare, once it's ready, staff prepares it, places it on the agenda, coordinates with the clerk. Perfect. Yes. I'm assuming once we're at that point, we would let the board members know when it's going to be

Presented, yeah.

It was simple. Our guidelines were like the same guidelines for the historic markets in the state historic market, like the house has to have 50 years old, has to have relevance of architecture or residency, so the same.

But good to have, good to have an ordinance.

And they already have them. So those were already submitted on the agenda, Isabelle have them, for the staff and legal department review. And good to you to bring it up, because I felt bad, like, okay, why are you proposing something that was not, you know, following, we didn't know, we were just asked to, like, propose some guidelines, and we did. But it's okay, it's something that is.

I think Isabella acknowledged that.

No, she did, she did.

That we were requested to do it, yes. Yeah, exactly, and that the process, you know, should have been managed by the staff.

Okay, that's all for you, Jeffrey, the three items?

Yeah, I just want to confirm Mr. Nunez has the action item ready to go back and look at the form.

Can you repeat that, please?

Yeah, I want to confirm that Mr. Nunez has the action to follow up with that.

Absolutely, yes.

Yes, perfect. Okay, now... Now, Paula, you had some comments to do.

Yes. Actually, in regards to procedures and ideas, one of the things that I was thinking is we all know that there has been an immense amount of large renovations and additions and even new construction happening, and a lot of those have to do with our historic homes. One of the things that I was thinking we could consider and start discussing to make it into a reality is that if there is an applicant that is doing a substantial renovation or even anything that has to do with the facade of the home, should also come to us, to the preservation board for review. That is common and typical in many other cities as well. So that could be very good because it will help not only the PNZ but of course for us to be able to maintain the character and the importance of the house. One more thing, a lot of these new projects, although it's been getting much better because people have been producing better renderings, um it's very difficult sometimes even for you know an architect or somebody who's in the business to understand things only from a facade and especially in a historic home where the details are so important right all these architectural features so one important thing will be also that if you have a a project that has to do with a historic home it will be necessary also to have renderings at least of the two main facades of the house so that we could also see it and understand it much better and have fully compromise of the petitioner to maintain those important characters. So that would be something that I was thinking that we could start working on.

Okay, let me explain how we've been behind that for the past years. And the only houses that come to us are those ones that are locally historic designated. The remaining of the historic non-designated houses, they don't have to come in front of us. So they go straight to planning and zoning. to make all renovations and some of them has been very good, some of them could have been better. We even have asked to include in the code of ordinances to ask us first before issuing a full demolition request and it didn't pass. So we have proposed that. We had here the building department director, Ismael. We had the village manager. We have requested that several times, even with the board two or three years ago when Wesley Castellano was the chair. We went there and asked the village council to notify us before demolition or before something to try to stop. Not all the houses are relevant. Not all historic houses have historic relevance, but at least we can be filtering and stop on time disasters, okay?

I mean, I do think, Patricia, that I don't think they clearly, because at some point we were getting, like for a couple months, and then it stopped. So I'm just curious if it was completely denied, or maybe we should revisit, because...

Allow me, wait a second, Jeffrey, please allow me to finish. What we do, and this is what I encourage the whole board, and this is what I do, personally do, is that I keep a track on every monthly planning and zoning meeting and check which houses are going there for demolition or remodeling or addition. And we know, because we have the list here, that is going to be online very soon as well, of each houses that have a lot of historic relevance and attend. Tomorrow, by the way, let me... take advantage of this comment tomorrow planning and zoning meeting have two big historic relevant houses for renovations and those houses belong to the one percent of the centennial houses that need to be preserved so i encourage you to review online the agenda of the planning and zoning for tomorrow and attend tomorrow is here in the same place if you want to have any any comment about that Now, Jeffrey, you were saying something.

I just wanted to clarify that there is an ordinance already in place that says that if there is a demolition request for a historically designated house, they have to notify us. That's definitely in place. But what we don't have is if there's any changes or alterations that come, we have to monitor the Planning and Zoning Board, which Right. We do, right? So you do it, Patricia. I can do it. Yeah.

Yeah, so...

But I think we had...

But my comment, Jeffrey, was that we had formally requested, and maybe Alice, I mean, that the ordinance be revised to include what Paola's point, to include any house over, what did we say? I think 75.

From the 50s and before.

Yeah, 75 years, something like that. So we had asked for the ordinance to be updated so that any house 75 years or older that was up for demolition would come first to our board to ensure that there aren't any significant historic homes. um where then we can then provide a point of view to to the city council and i i don't know my impression is i don't think that i mean i think it was around the time that the previous um planning director left and i feel like it fell through the cracks like i feel like it's worth um if if you know we could formally make that request to see if we get a formal denial or not because i don't think that really ever happened

I think at this point it's go further than only total demolition because there has been like severely alteration that has produced the total loss of the historic significance of the house. So it's even worse.

Yeah, so we can request that the ordinance be updated to include

Any houses over the 75, or... Or significantly, I mean, we already have a good list, right? We have them all, yeah. It's working very hard at this, so we can narrow it down, and we can keep on including more homes. Because, Eddie, my understanding is that there's other jurisdictions that their preservation board has to review homes that are historic in nature. They actually review the home as well as planning and zoning, and of course the ones that have designed review boards also do a review. So I believe it's possible. What I'm saying is that I think it's possible. We can find a legal way. We would need your help. to walk us through maybe the examples and we can take the initiative if you guys agree on, I'll start looking into these and see if we can make that happen.

We proposed that two years ago, two, three years ago. We proposed it and it was denied by the village council because there was people complaining about the delay times to construction because it takes another month or maybe two more months. And unfortunately, it was denied.

I don't think it was denied by the city council. I think it was.

Yes, it was when, yes, it was more than, it was like three years ago, yes, because it was when Crystal was mayor, and she even excused herself because the majority, you know, didn't approve it, but it was not.

It's a completely different board. We can try again, yes. It's a completely different board.

We can try again, yes.

We should make a request. I mean, two months, it's a delay, yeah. But I mean, we are talking about- Losing the historical structures. About buildings that are over 60 years. So that has a weight, and that's kind of what we're here for, right?

to review the planning and zoning list when that comes out and do what we've been doing, which is going to the meetings and expressing that that's a historic house. I hate to add another whole month to somebody's timeline. Having done a two-year renovation myself, one month waiting before it goes to planning and zoning, if they've got it on a schedule and stuff like that, is a lot of time. If we can review it at the same time, we can provide our input to the planning and zoning board.

Yeah, yeah, and I believe that's how it's done, Jeffrey. What I mean is, you know, it goes to also to the historic preservation board. How we do it and how efficient we work at it, definitely something that we should be also considering, absolutely.

Yeah, maybe they... We only meet once a month, so... Yes.

sunshine votes correct the planning and zoning meets once a month once a month and if the meeting the meeting happens actually tomorrow so if we give our opinion you know by the time that they're reviewing it's late it's late all we need to do is have the applicant um submit elevations and the basics to us as they keep on working on the planning and zoning submittal. And we can give them the feedback. I don't think it's late.

I think it's simultaneously, right? So let's just take an example. There's an applicant. We are seeing it today. We don't have any concerns. It goes tomorrow. I mean, then it keeps going, right? If there's a concern, it would be before.

something today, it has to go into the agenda the following month.

Exactly, that's why, yeah.

I think we have to be really careful with what we ask for.

I understand, but right now it's late because when, for example, Alice posted the agenda for the planning and zoning? Like three, four days ago?

Ten days.

Last week? So we have barely a week to review which houses and study the old plans and the new plans and make our opinions to come up to the planning and zoning. And we have only two minutes time limit public comments to make our comments. So we don't have really tools to protect the historic structures because every time, I tried to explain the planning and zoning board, this is a house, relevant, and please, this is too big of a renovation of the facade. It's late because we have only two minutes. because I make noise I make noise and I bring pictures and I know but it shouldn't be this this hard it should be like you know it's okay it's okay it has worked yeah No, no. We try, we try. Just to answer Paula's comment, we already try in the past to like add that extra month to review houses with historic character and it hasn't worked. and the majority decided not to add that in the process, so we have to respect democracy, of course, but we do is do it manually, like we check every planning and zoning board, no, no, here, this month, nothing, oh, no, here, tomorrow, we have one, and come and try to convince the board to preserve the historic structures in two minutes. So I know, it's not easy. It's not easy. This is what we can do.

I mean, I definitely don't want to add more time to homeowners. Obviously, I think everyone understands the challenges of construction today. It's very lengthy and time consuming and costly. From what I understand, I'm still very concerned about the demolitions because I don't even think you can just submit a demolition TO THE CITY, TO THE VILLAGE.

TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITHOUT EVEN PASSING FOR THE PLANNING ZONE.

EXACTLY.

SO THAT'S MY... THAT'S MY POINT.

THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED, JEFFREY. WE TRIED... PATRICIA, PLEASE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT... WE HAVE... OKAY, YEAH. WE TRY AGAIN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REQUEST a change to the ordinance, or adding to the ordinance. For the full demolition request. Any demolition request first come to our board.

Full demolition.

If they're for 75 years or older, requesting that ordinance.

be considered by the city council because i think that to me is a bigger concern that's a void because at least with the planning and zoning we have time but a little bit of time but if they go straight to the building department without a plan they can demo it tomorrow and i think and we don't even people have done that and people know that's a loophole and so

That's a concern.

How, Eddie, how would be the right procedure for us as a board to request the village council to add, at least to let us, let the historic board notify before the building department has a full demo request of any structure?

Older than, I mean, I think we need to. Yes, older than 75. Older than 75 years old.

prior to giving approval that this board has to approve it to ensure that there are no historic significance before granting a demolition permit yeah I think the first step is the discussion that's being had right now you make the request unto staff and then what we'll do is we'll communicate with the city's legal department and One of the benefits of having the firm that the city has is that they have many different specialties within the practice. So we would obviously reach out to them, get expert advice on to what the rules are regarding historic. I understand the parameters 75 years or older. So I would bet that out for the board and then report back to you hopefully at next week's meeting with some more details as to what is allowed, what's permissible, so on and so forth.

Do we need a motion to have this request, Alice?

I think it's just a discussion that we'll just add it to the agenda for next month.

I have a question. What is the difference between 75 or 60, or what is the marker for the 75?

Because from the 50s, we had a great number, and this is why it's important, this one. In the 50s, we're done incredible houses here. But in the 60s, not so much. In 70s, you know, the 70s were not a good decade.

Okay, so it's 50.

Yes, in 50s and back. So we might be from the 59, 59 and back, where the time where Miami Shore had incredible structures in different architectural styles, mid-century, Art Deco, colonial, Mediterranean, so that's why. And it gives them a big of a space because not all the houses are that old. So we can't even provide the list if it's...

Maybe to this point, we should.

To be consistent with our charter, though, wouldn't we say 50 years and beyond? Because that's the point where we can designate houses, right? So I would say, let's say 50 years and older, not 75.

Well, what I was going to suggest is we determine a year and go back, right? Because, you know. in five years, like what, you know what I mean? So let's kind of determine.

I agree with you.

What is, like, is it? Anything older than 1960 should come, you know what I mean? Yes, I agree with you. That's why it's so much more objective to just say 50 years. 50 years is constantly changing, Jeffrey. In five years, then it's going to be 45.

50 years is 70s. There's no remarkable architecture in the 70s. I agree with Michelle. And set up a day like from the 1960s and older.

I think so.

If I may?

Yes. That's not very objective. I know for a fact there's a fabulous house in the 1970s. It's the pink one that was in Miami Heights.

That's only one, Jeffrey. I know.

Objectively, you want to say 50 years or older because our charter says we will designate houses that are 50 years or older. We don't say we're going to designate houses that are from 1970.

good point too um daniel there's also madam chair you have a list of historically relevant houses that's pretty comprehensive and that's set in stone there's a finite number why not those instead of uh yes i agree 50 years 70 years 1959

I agree with Michelle and you, Daniel, because we want to have it the best, easy way for the whole community. And we don't even sometimes realize that 50 years is just around the corner, like from the 70s. And, you know, it will spread more houses. So maybe people, they will feel less compromised if we say 1960s and all that. And I know the pink house from Miami Vice is fabulous and deserve to be designated. But that's the exception. When we did the list, all the houses from the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, that's it. I couldn't find from the 60s and 70s a big number to include them in this project that might touch some fibers that could reject the project. I would like to have the project the easiest way possible to be approved. And that definitely will be a way to do it. So either or, deciding later which year, we would like to have the opportunity to present to the Village Council, after reviewing of the legal department, how we can be notified from the building department when they have a full demo request. And I have to be specific, full demo request, because that's a loophole in the law, as Michelle said, because it's easier from the planning and zoning. Okay, you didn't approve the planning and zoning, it's okay, we go, we check every month, we have to be working and working, but we love what we do, and we have saved some structures, and even advise good renovations for historic structures, so that part is manageable. But if they go back to the building department and ask for a full demo, we don't even notice. And just for the records, I requested to Isabelli as a public record request all the demolitions in the past 10 years, 2014 to 2024. And there were not much because they go with a master plan, and there's no way to keep track of records. So that's why we need to at least cover that loophole that when they go in the back, and if they don't have a master plan, and they go straight to demo, we don't even know. We know this because we have planning and zoning meetings, and the agenda explains all the floor plans, the addresses, and we are aware, and we can do something. Even if only one week in advance we can do something, but full demo directly to Ismael in the building department, there's no way.

Just to understand your recommendation.

Yes, it's an agreed-upon comprehensive list, one that would, you know, Madam Chair has worked on, but also one that includes the architect Tony Gott, Miami Vice House. Yes, yes.

So I have a question for the board. Let's talk about that beautiful Miami Vice House pink. What would happen if somebody new buys it and decides they're going to paint it Black and they're gonna add a tile roof to it and they are gonna also change the fabulous 80s Windows in glass wall what would happen if you know if they're not gonna demolish it they're not and but they're gonna take away the character of the home.

Let me first clarify the paint. There was a, you know, Coral Gables years ago had very strict paint requirements, and there's now state law that makes it illegal. So we have absolutely no

authority on color um yes you're right about the new situation but the reason why it's illegal for us is because we do not have a design review board coral gables for instance has a design review board they are still allowed to make to set regulations on that on color yeah i thought on everything we don't have it we don't because we do not have a design we're all saying it's true and so it may be it may not because actually the planning and zoning board acted as a design review board for many years too so it's a little bit of a gray area but you know but but the reason why i'm talking about the color is about that pink house it's more about that you know the characteristics that make that house special right that makes it significantly or architecturally significant, right? So the question is geared towards that because we are talking about protecting somebody that comes and demo everything, which is completely valid and we should be tackling that. But I think that is also valid. if somebody comes and they're not demolishing the house but they're significantly changing it because then what makes it important is gone.

Yeah. I mean, you know.

Tough question. I'm sorry.

But that really goes to planning and zoning, right?

No, not even. Not even because it's only paint. It doesn't. She's right. If the pink house just.

The only way to stop that would be to designate it as the only way. Or? It's not going to go to planning and zoning. Yes.

Or if those historic homes come to us and we can take a look at them. Because if we look at them as a board and we have a say as well, we have a say on the historical aspects of it. What makes it historical significance? So that's why I think that it's important to set in place some type of procedure making it as time efficient as possible but still have it because what happens is that if not we will continue losing homes.

Well, so far, it's one day at a time, Paula, one day at a time, because we are trying to work with the tools we have. And we don't have any. We don't have many.

You said tools.

Yes, we don't have many, and we've been working with, you know, fingers, trying to create awareness with events, with flyers, with many, many things. And we've been successful, but it's not fully protecting the houses that are not designated. And you're right. So that specific house with that specific color, it's a tough one. But mostly, if they go up to the planning and zoning for big renovations, we are aware, and we make the intervention that we can have. And we've been successful. I think we've been successful with big changes, and people like the results. So, so far about painting, I don't think if you have an idea, there's no way. But I think only that's the exception. So we have 3,400 houses more to worry about and hopefully the owner loves the house, loves the character. We can even like maybe knock at the door. I think next year, 2025, makes 50 years, which makes it a very good candidate to designation and we can work. next year to try to like motivate the owner to designate that pink house for Miami Vice.

Because it was built in 78?

I know we were, that house was mentioned in the Pomona Congress we had in May. It was in May, Jeffrey?

It was, I forget, I think it was May. Yes.

And it was only one year of 50 years old to have the 50 years mark. So we can have it in our agenda for next year, to create a nice report and not only their history, all the relevance that it has, and the owner might be motivated to protect the house. That could be a good starting agenda point for 2025. So they cannot touch the pink color. Good point. Any other more? Personally, I have a question about last night. Was the last budget meeting or was another budget meeting?

I had a question about the budget too, yeah.

last night was the final budget meeting do you have any idea because it was not on live streams I was I was trying to to find out about we as a board asked for an amount of money extra for our activities and I don't know if you at the end was approved or not You have any idea?

The budget was approved, but I don't recall any amendments or discussions regarding that.

Who would know exactly, Alice, if that part of the extra money that we requested for the historic event was approved last night on the budget?

That would have to be like.

I think they make a public records request.

Yeah, because everything that's on the agenda, what's there if they unanimously approve that or in this case it was.

So we have to review last night's agenda and check the attachment for the budget.

Okay, we'll do. We'll do, okay.

Because wasn't, I'm trying to. I do want to make a statement.

To the benefit of Mr. Nunez, so we submitted a request for a budget to staff to add to the proposal and then staff reduced it without even talking to us. So I do just want to let you know that's why we went before the council and asked them to reinstate if staff had come to us and discussed it with us before they reduced it. I know this is way before your time, but I just want you to know the history. Understood.

And I think if I'm not mistaken, Jeffrey, because obviously... that's the entire budget for the village. And there's a lot of information in there. But, but Daniel, you did go to that meeting and talk about the importance. And I don't know, I felt like some people were open to it, right?

I mean, that that may be some people were not. I don't know what happened.

That was my question. So we can find out checking last night attachment.

But I think also, Eddie, the question is, because if I, and I don't remember exactly. So I think that the city manager wanted the budget approved because there were a lot of items in there that needed to, you know, get approved. But I thought there was still like an opening from the village council that, you know, they could go back and then make you know if we were because our original request was for ten thousand dollars for the budget and it was reduced jeffrey to 75 75 100 which only covers basically markers the markers yeah not events right not events so so i don't know i kind of remember they were somewhat open to maybe do you remember daniel i don't recall i know some members of the council were others weren't and that they could be like

Yes, I think I remember that the objection was that because we're so good designating and designated houses, we become a liability for the village with all these events and having public works creating these events and chairs and tents and music and things, so it creates extra expenses. So I think it's ironic because we're here to protect the village and designate houses. And then, okay, don't designate too much because you're giving expenses to the village. So it's like ironic. I don't know. It's just my point here. It was very odd.

What about having more people helping with the expenses like you guys have already done?

I mean, we have, you know, donations, we've had, you know, sponsors and things like that. But, yeah, it's not always easy. It can be very challenging.

Maybe next time we don't put a tent, we don't put microphone, we just go there and... and take pictures, I don't know. It's just a way to... I know it's an official event approved by the village council, and I know.

I don't think, I mean, I think that if, and I know somebody had made a comment like that, Eddie, I think if that's an issue, then it needs to be formally communicated to us. Otherwise, you know, our job is to, you know, promote and designate and, you know, celebrate our historic... That could be a public comment or a next Village Council meeting because...

you know maybe they they're not seeing our point of view like hello we're here to designate houses and then because we're designating not that much maybe three four or two a year but it didn't come from the city council it came from it came from

from the staff.

And Catherine Gunn, I think, she was making that comment that because we're designating so much, it's creating like an extra expenses for public works.

Right. So that's, Eddie, where I guess we would like some guidance or input from you. Is that not our job is that not why this board is here like and you know, I believe the City Council supports the work that we're doing and I would hope the staff does as well right if that's going to create a budget issue, then we would hope that it gets resolved.

understood um and i think regarding the budget if i understood correctly there were a series of steps that occurred i think there was a budget committee i think they had maybe a few workshops and i assume that those um events took place in order to get feedback from the community from the members who were part of the committee uh in order to craft what monies were to be placed in certain places right

to that process and we gave them, we gave staff what our estimate was and we used last year's as a guide and then we gave them our estimate for this year. So they had that from us, but when they submitted the actual budget, they changed it.

You know, I think just as a public comment on our next village council, I can just go there and just share, you know, our concern. Like, okay, we're here to designate, and when we designate, oh, no, you're spending too much money to designate.

But that's why I'm asking Eddie for his guidance, because I think that's a staff concern. And I'm certainly sensitive to the to the budget issues that we have in the village. Right. We have a lot we want to accomplish in the village. So, you know, septic to sewer. We have the the the the wall. You know, there's there's a lot that needs to happen. And so we're sensitive to that. But we just, you know. like if we clarification yeah i guess clarification um because i'm pretty confident that the city council is is in agreement with with you know the success we've had and it's important to you know when we have this designations that that it be an event that the city that the village supports how many were there my point really was seeing three three last year but it would be great to have been consulted so if we could correct that for the future that would be great yes i hope you're here for a long time eddie because i think you're the fourth or fifth um do we have any more board comments so eddie will be able to kind of get some input as to whether or not the demolition ordinance is feasible and if it is what the parameters around it would be.

You're correct.

That would be great. That would be helpful.

Okay, so if there's no more board comments, I would like to talk about the next scheduled meeting for October 16. Are we okay with the date?

Yes.

October 16th?

Yeah, I think I'm out of town, but that's okay. I mean, I think it's my dad's 80th birthday. So I think that, let me just double check so that... change the meeting dates right right that's why i wanted to um i just wanted to yeah we can't change meeting dates september 16th yeah second yeah i'll uh i'll be out of town that day um yeah for his 80th birthday 16th wednesday october 16th okay if at all possible you'll be out of town yeah but i'll be able to call in i believe Okay. I might be able to call in, I'll let you know.

Either or, if we're three, we're just like have quorum, right? Three is quorum. Yes, three is quorum, perfect. Okay dokey, so if there is nothing more, I would like to adjourn the meeting for today. Do I need a motion to adjourn the meeting, please? Motion to adjourn. Second?

Second.

All in favor?

Meeting adjourned.