Art in Public Places Board - Regular Meeting

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Thank you. May we have the lobbyist note?

Yes.

Please.

Any person who receives compensation, remuneration, or expenses for conducting lobbying activities is required to register as a lobbyist with the city clerk prior to engaging in lobbying activities before city staff, boards, committees, or the city commission. A copy of the applicable ordinance is available at the office of the city clerk. Miami City Hall, located at 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida, 33133. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. May we have a roll call?

Please. Christina Cuevo?

Here.

Nelson Delgado? Maria Napolis? Here. Gary Feinberg?

Here.

Juan Valadez? Francisco Heretes.

Here.

Odalis Deyuri. Olga Granda. Here. We have Chrome.

And we have a request for two absentee waivers.

And that is for Nelson Delgado and Juan Valadez.

Why is Ms. Guerrero's name not on...

Mrs. Who? Ms. Cuervo.

Maybe I'm not on anymore.

What? So what happened is, is due to the fact that there currently is not a commissioner for that district, the system automatically removed all the individuals who have been appointed, but I have already spoken with the clerk already, and they advised no, they are still participating on the board, and they have to manually add you back on.

But should I be here today or not?

Of course you are supposed to. It's a typo. Oh, it's a typo. No, it's a system.

They removed everyone who's on. Oh, they removed me from the print version.

Correct.

Because there's no commission for that district.

That's for everyone under the board. It didn't just happen to you. It happened for others as well. But I verified already with the clerk that no, individuals are still partaking in the board. They have to manually add you on. So you'll see your name back on, on the minutes. You're welcome.

Do we have any absence waivers?

Yes. Nelson Degato and Juan Valadez.

I make a motion to accept the absence waivers. Second. Second by Mr. Feinberg. All those in favor, say aye. Aye.

Aye.

That passed, right? That passed, correct?

Yes, motion passes. I'm sorry.

No, no, no worries, no worries. We have minutes to approve from May. Yes, sir. I make a motion to approve the minutes of May 12, 2025.

Second.

Second by Ms. Napolit. All those in favor say aye. Aye. That passes as well. The public, is there anyone that's going to be speaking today? We have to swear in the staff as well.

For all those who will be testifying, please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly affirm the testimony you will give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, Indra. I don't think we have many items today.

Good evening. I will proceed with item number one. Item number one, file ID 17690, a resolution of the Art in Public Places Board with attachment pursuant to chapter 62, article 16 entitled Art in Public Places of the City Code Miami, Florida, as amended, approving the selection of the finalist artists in accordance with section 62-658 of the City Code for the Integration of Public Art for Manolo Reyes Park, located approximately at 6030 Southwest 2nd Street. I am in Florida authorizing the increase in expenditures to $6,000 for community engagement, making findings and providing for an effective date. The purpose of this item is to approve the selection of the two finalists for the integration of public art at Manolo Reyes Park, formerly named West End Park, and further approving the increase of expenditure of $6,000 to support community engagement and education-related purpose for the project. Some background on the project. Resolution AIPP 22007 approved a total allocation of 154,000 for design services commissioning and acquisition and installation of public art at West End Park, now Manolo Reyes Park. This amount includes including $5,000 in honorariums for up to five artists or artist teams to develop proposals, $146,000 for the creation, acquisition, permitting, and installation of public art associated with the new pool and park improvements, and $3,000 originally designated for community engagement and education related to the Public Art Commission. Resolution AIPP 22023 then approved the shortlisted artists as recommended by the Professional Advisory Committee, PAC. The selected artists were to design site-specific artworks to provide visitors with an outstanding visual experience while creating a unique identity for the park and surrounding neighborhood. The five shortlisted artists appear alphabetically on the list below, and each received $1,000 honorarium to develop the proposals for the commission. Those artists were Actual Size Artworks, Carlos Alves and Jane Carroll, Carola Bravo, Lydia Rubio, and Javier Cortada. The park is located off of Flagler Street and 60th Avenue and is adjacent to Fairlawn Elementary School, which is the school where we aim to engage for the educational component of the project. In this photo, you will see two images of proposed areas of opportunity for the integration of public art. The top is a splash pad and a wall. And the bottom one is a splash pad with a concrete segment of wall that's also been considered for art. This is the price breakdown. At the PAC meeting on April 30th, 2025, the PAC convened at the MRC with permanent members and the district appointed community member in attendance. The committee unanimously recommended two artists, Carola Bravo and Javier Cortada, to proceed with the design and installation. The artist selected will be provided reference materials and invited to participate in an artist orientation onboarding, if feasible, a site visit with city staff and the design team and community or district office representatives to evaluate the site and make any adjustments to the proposals as needed. The PAC specifically recommended that to proceed with Carola Bravo's proposal, the House of the Wind, noting that the scale may need adjustment based on site conditions as shared with the design team. And Javier Cortada, the PAC recommended to move forward with the proposal, Waiting Birds of the Florida Everglades consisted consisting of a ceramic mural. It's recommended for the installation near the splash pad or on a nearby wall with high visibility. Given that two artists were selected for this project, AFPP staff recommends doubling the community outreach allocation from $3,000 to $6,000. This would increase support and enhance engagement with educational activities and educational signage to effectively involve the community and support both artists through the project. Members in attendance were Catherine Cathers, Adler Guerrier, Rochi Gianessa, which is our alternate PAC member, and Jose Del Risco, which is the community appointed PAC member. The first shortlisted artist is Carola Bravo. This is her proposal for the park.

It's the actual structure?

Yes, it's an open trellis structure. And this proposal will need adjustments and most likely scaling it down due to the available area in the park right now.

Is that a mural on the wall?

On the top left image? I think there's, I'll show you the next line. It's the proposal to, sorry, my screen is very small. It's a surface to create a community engagement project using ribbons and tying it to that surface.

That's also Carola Bravo?

Yes, this is part of Carola's proposal. And here are some of her technical drawings.

Since there are two artists, are they splitting the total amount by 148,000?

Yes, they will be splitting the total amount. Javier Cortada initially submitted a proposal with, I believe, four different components. The PAC is only suggesting to move forward with the ceramic mural for the splash pad. So that would allow to split the total budget.

So this 130 budget she has to reduce to?

This will be reduced due to the size of the surface area available in the park.

Has she already been contacted about that? Like, is that a possibility?

Yes, we have reached out to her, yeah.

Do you have her updated budget? Or this is just the old one and that's it?

No, we don't have her updated budget yet.

I think you should get one before you start.

So the ceramics are The art belongs to Javier, or that's how they're going to split?

The ceramic mural is Javier Cortada's proposal. And this is on your screen, you'll see.

And the structures belong to?

To Carola Bravo.

To Carola.

She's good at that.

Can you explain this please?

This is the proposal from Javier Cortada that the PAC recommended moving forward with. It's a ceramic mural depicting birds from the Everglades. He submitted two options in his proposal. The PAC recommended to move forward with one at the splash pad or a nearby wall with high visibility. And here's a close-up of his proposal.

The dimension on this, it was on the screen before, but you can't see it in terms of height and width, just to understand. It looks like there's a fence behind it that looks like it's higher. I don't know if I'm reading this correctly.

Yeah, there is a fence-like structure It's metal poles surrounding the splash pad. I can't see the exact dimensions on my screen, but... We don't have the size? No, it's there.

It's there. It's on the...

I mean, you just... Nobody can read it.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm pulling up the proposal. I'm trying to understand because you see the fence in the back.

And just for clarification, while Indra's looking that up, I did want to note that the resolution authorizes a selection of basically components of both artists' proposals. With Carola Bravo, it's a smaller scale version of what she's proposing, and then with Cortada, it's a portion of his proposal. And then what was clarified and incorporated into the resolution was that that's subject to available funding. So it should not exceed... The agreements will not exceed the total cost that's been allocated for the total artistic project. And then they'll have to work with each artist to make sure that they comply with that.

So what is the total for the project?

$146,000.

For both pieces?

Yes.

I think it's important that each installation or each piece has its own budget and that it's updated and that it's correct.

That will be incorporated into the artist agreements as well. It's part of the agreement package.

And each artist has agreed to the new number?

They have been notified. We are scheduling a site visit after the board's approval, and they will then submit the new estimate for pricing.

My point is, it's very important to have a budget early. You're talking about having a budget at the last minute in the contract. I'm talking about for this meeting, we should know what's the budget for one piece and what's the budget for the other piece. What's the size of one piece? What's the size of the other piece? What are the materials? What's the description? You know, everything. I don't think we're prepared.

We can defer the item if you would like to hear it at the next meeting.

No, no, I don't think we need to defer it. I just think that we didn't prepare well enough for this meeting, Indra. But I don't think we should defer it at all.

The budget has been shared with the artists and we didn't speak about them providing the updated estimates after a site visit.

So each artist was told they have like 73,000 to work with?

No, the artists know the budget for the installation. Carola's initial budget came in at 130,000. We have communicated with her that the installation that she proposed would have to be scaled down.

To the half of the 146?

No, not to half, but it will have to be scaled down, which is what she is going to decide upon the site visit. She's going to submit a new proposal under the 130. And Javier Cortana's proposal for this mural, it's at $24,000, his initial mural. line item, so that will also be updated depending on the size of the mural and the location.

I think what's confusing to us is that there is a budget, there's a total budget that we're seeing, but then you're saying that it's up to the artist to come up with new proposals as to how much they can do, so I think that's what's confusing to us. Do we dictate the budget or do they dictate the budget?

Well, they would be updating their budgets, their estimate for their pieces. She had, in Carola's case, it was 130, so that would be reduced because the scope of the work would be less. And in Javier Cortada's case, his scope has also been reduced because it would be one mural instead of two. He estimated at $24,000, the mural.

I have a question. The blueprint where you can see against the wall in the circle, are those each individual panels of the mural? It looks like a cross. One, two, three, four, five. Is the mural going to be on the walls or on the floor?

It would be on the wall, on a wall.

On a wall.

The sections in orange, right?

What was that? Sorry.

Sections in orange, that's the mural, right? Yes. Oh, okay.

It would be one of those two concrete surfaces or a wall at the park, in the building in the park.

Or another site, perhaps.

Yes.

So how much is the budget assigned for those two walls?

So the total budget is $146,000. Javier Cortada estimated $24,000 per mural. The PAC is choosing to move forward with one mural at $24,000. So it's just about $50,000 per mural.

To Javier?

It will be one mural, so it will be the 24th.

Oh, okay.

I don't understand where they're going to be located. You mentioned these walls that we're looking at right now, the ones that are in red or orange. They're semicircular.

I can... Go back to the, so here you can see the pink, dark pink circles, the areas of opportunity, that's a splash pad. And on the right image you can see a wall on that building that's also available for a mural.

Who decides where this mural is gonna go?

The artist. Per the PAC's recommendation, the artist, after performing a site visit, will decide what would be the best placement. We'll also be there with the OCI and parks team to provide information on logistics. So that would help the artist. The board may also recommend their preferred area.

What happens with, you know, this budget says it's 146 for the artwork and a $5,000 honorarium. So how does the honorarium get?

The $5,000 were already disbursed. It was for the five shortlisted artists.

Okay, so it's not specific to then the winners.

Yeah, that was in the previous resolution.

Each received $1,000.

That's right.

So are we supposed to be voting on this tonight? without knowing the numbers and where it's going and who's getting what number?

If the board would like to defer the item, we can go back and have the site visit, have the artist tour the site and provide the updated estimates.

I think that what I would like to propose is that we move forward, however, that you come back at our next meeting with how this has been resolved and what the information is. Because I don't want to hold it up, but I think that we want to make sure that they're coordinated and that it's going to work. I don't know if you guys agree. I agree.

So we're selecting finalists, the finalist artists, from what pool?

So the board previously approved the selection of the five show listed artists. You all reviewed and approved.

Right. So let's look at the other. So where are the other proposals?

It was in the package provided in your agenda. I have a physical copy here, if you would like.

My understanding is that the PAC decided on these two.

Yeah, the PAC decided on these two. I just want to see them all.

What else is happening in this park?

There are new fields, a splash pad. It's a large park.

Is the whole park being renovated or everything?

Do you at least have your cortadas complete?

Yes, I'm trying to put it up now.

Do we have any idea of the educational program in that park? What's going on with that? Do they have like workshops or after school program?

There is a school adjacent to the park. So we are aiming to work with that school for the educational component. Similar to what we did for Gold Star Park with Silver Bluff Elementary. Maybe an after school activity. So we're planning to use that school for engagement.

Was it Bravos? Was that the artist with the ribbons?

The ribbon wall? The ones that we're voting on are the ones in yellow, but they start earlier.

Andrea, was that Corolla? Bravos had the ribbon wall, right?

Yes.

So her idea was this would be

something participatory with so her idea has several components it's got that open trellis structure and the ribbon wall is just a panel on one of the open walls at the but is that is that structured to work for kids to come and for the community to engage in yes and the ribbon stay yes So the murals as proposed in his initial proposal would be 13 feet in width and 13.1 in width and 6 feet in height.

What did you say? 13 by what?

By six, one in height.

Maybe that rendering or that elevation didn't look to scale against the fence in the back, because I can't imagine that the fence in the back is 12 feet high.

Yeah, it's a pretty tall fence. Okay.

Yeah, it's the other way, right? There.

Excuse me, can you go back to the images?

The renderings of the park?

Right in there. What is the wall of witches? This is the same thing that is to the right?

Yes, so that is how... To the left is a concept image of what she envisions for the panel in...

So in the panel, the kids can have pieces of cloth with witches and all that.

Okay. There's a splash pad.

That's it. No.

Yeah.

It's really a small park. I know the area.

Did they officially change the name of the park already?

Yes. And the signage has also been updated to reflect the new name.

For the house, is the material aluminum?

For Carola's?

Yes.

I believe so.

It's going to be expensive.

Yeah, materials, aluminum, yeah.

What's the new scale? This is the, what we're seeing here is the old scale, right? What's the new scale that she has to, it's the size scale now.

So we spoke with the project manager for parks and for OCI. That's going to be determined on the site visit with the artist. She will take this concept and scale it down. We're going to do a walkthrough of the park and she'll take the new measurements from there. That's part of the condition in the resolution.

So I'm looking at Javier Cortada's four-part proposal. Did the PAC say why they chose the murals as opposed to?

They read the concept behind the murals. They felt it was more appropriate to the site. And specifically because it could be used on the surface on the splash pad or on the new building at the park.

And the 3,000 designated for community engagement and education related to the Public Art Commission, what oversight does that have? Where does that end up and who manages that?

The 3,000 is for the community engagement. It'll cover materials for any workshops with the school that the artist collaborates with. It would also cover educational signage that we've been incorporating at the parks. You may have seen it at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas Monument on Peacock Park and Gold Star Park, Shenandoah Park as well.

Is that money that's spent by your office or by the artists? I think that's the question, right?

Well, just when to get spent, how it gets spent, who spends it.

The office planning wouldn't spend it.

So by the time this is all inaugurated, the $3,000 is spent?

It's going to be six, right? We're increasing it today to six.

We're recommending, yes. And any funds that are not used will revert back into the fund for the same purpose.

So the idea is for ongoing programming as well?

Yes.

So if the school wants to do a project, they would come to you with a little proposal?

Yes, in collaboration with the public art, yes, it would be used for that.

And schools know that, I mean, does this happen often? Do schools come to you with a...

So we've done it for, the latest one was for Gold Star Park, where the artists and the students collaborated on making the gold stars out of clay. The artists then took the stars, they crafted it, they painted, cut it, The artist took everything back to the studio, fired the gold stars and incorporated into a new mural, into a new pedestal along with mosaic pieces. In that project, it was very successful because students felt that sense of belonging at the park, and they continued to talk about it. So we got very good response from that.

So does the artist approach the school, or do you approach the schools? How do the schools find out?

We approach the school in collaboration with the artist. The school would then go through a vetting process. Staff is also present at the workshops. So, yeah.

But this isn't always a part of, the idea of approaching schools just as it's the artist's idea to do that or how?

Well, in the code, the code specifies an educational component and we feel working with the local schools in the district or closer to the parks is the best approach to that. It's been successful and the students have had a good response, so.

No, it's great, but it doesn't seem to come up that often.

Well, we've done it for Shenandoah and Gold Star, which are the latest two parks that we've completed. And then Antonio Maceo and Kennedy Park, which were brought to you within the last year, also have educational components.

The Kennedy Park.

And Antonio Maceo as well. For Antonio Maceo, we will most likely collaborate with the seniors as there's a senior...

dining room at the park so personally i don't know if anybody else has looked at javier's proposal but he has he also proposes these butterflies that are also aluminum cut out and it kind of makes sense to me to have a consistency of material kind of And I don't know, I feel like I've seen a lot of his, more of his murals already. So I kind of found that proposal interesting. Just a thought if anybody wants to look at that component that he proposed.

I saw that and it is pretty, you're right. But where do you think that that would be attached to maybe to the same fence? Because it sounded to me like the mural, they wanted it to somewhat screen the splash pad.

Yeah, he has, in his proposal for the butterflies, they're kind of placed in like a walkway area. So yeah, it's not in the same location. I also like the idea of the contrast, right? Of the aluminum structure and the mural, the tile mural.

That is something the PAC shared as well. The contrast of the two materials.

I mean, her concept is interesting. I like it. I'm not quite sure that the ribbon component is something that's... I think it requires a certain amount of maintenance and activity. It's not something that's going to be active on a regular basis, I think, because I think it's impossible to manage ribbons in a park structure.

Can you speak a little bit more close to the mic?

The concept of the ribbons on the side of her structure, I think it's going to be like a... kind of temporary specific moments that would be an activity, because I think long term in a park to manage that would be very difficult. But yeah, I mean, I like both projects. They're both local artists who are very active in the community and are well known. So I expect and look forward to them partaking in the educational components of each thing. I think we'd love to hear back on like what they actually, what those components are and what they, when they happen, et cetera. But I'm happy to make a motion to accept this proposal as is, as the PAC has suggested it, with a component of Carola, or I guess a scaled-down version of Carola's, and just the mural component of Javier Cortada's, and increasing the educational budget to support that.

Thanks. Do you have any other comments, Ms. Navarez? No. No? Any other comments? Well, no, she... Ms. Vandla, can you make the motion formally?

Formally?

Thank you.

So I make a motion to pass AIPP Resolution 17690, which is a resolution of the Art and Public Places Board with attachments pursuant to Chapter 62, Article 16, entitled Art and Public Places of the Code of the City of Miami, Florida, As amended, approving the selection of the finalist artists, Carola Bravo and Javier Cortada, in accordance with Section 62658 of the City Code for the Integration of Public Art for Manolo Reyes Park, located at approximately 6030 Southwest 2nd Street, Miami, Florida, authorizing the increase in expenditures to $6,000 for community engagement, making findings and providing for an effective date.

Thank you. Second by Ms. Napolis. May we have a roll call vote, please?

Mrs. Olga Granda? Yes. Mrs. Maria Napolis? Yes. Ms. Christina Cuevo? Yes. Mr. Gary Feinberg? Yes. Mr. Francisco Girites? Yes. Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. So I believe there are no other items. Are there any other pendings, Indra?

Just a couple of updates. On June 5, we had the opening of phase two of the CPI vernacular, the Overtone exhibit at the Lawson office. It was the first time the building was open to the public after restoration. It was designated as a historic structure, a local historic structure about two years ago, I want to say. And so it's finally open. The exhibit now features extended material. Photos from the Max Waldman archives are now on display. And there is also a workshop area in the building, which we are looking into. Well, the CRA is looking into activating that with community partners such as the Black Precinct and the Black Archives to host some community or educational sessions in the area. Staffing updates, our coordinator Alba de la Paz has left the city. Today was her last day. We have two approved positions in the division. One for a part-time temp, special projects coordinator, and a recently approved full-time a special projects coordinator. The full-time temp would handle assisting with temporary art exhibitions and reviewing projects and assisting with cataloging the collection.

Which ones are, sorry.

Yeah, both positions are open.

Open, yes.

Which ones are the regular hours to visit?

I can follow up with a CRA on that, on the hours, and I can send you, I can notify you. But it is open to the public.

And the salaries for those positions?

I believe it's 33, around $33 an hour.

Full-time?

There's a full-time temporary position and a part-time temporary.

I personally am very sorry to see Alba leave. I think she did a fantastic job curating that exhibit, and she'll be sorely missed. It'll be hard to fill her shoes.

Can you share the listings within the city? Can you circulate that? Yes, I can circulate that.

I feel the same way, Mr. Chairman. We're very thankful for her work here.

The project that she was overseeing for Kennedy Park, Is that then on hold until somebody fills the space and can take it? They're moving forward.

All of our projects touch several hands. So we were both really doing both, both doing the same projects, just at different phases. For example, she would handle like routing agreements. So we kind of like interchange responsibilities, but that Kennedy Park project is moving forward.

Is that position is going to be closed or it's just moving on?

The position is actually open, the special projects coordinator.

Because I think it's an excellent idea for the local projects to have that support. Actually, I think for Basel time, for local projects, that would be great to have a tour around what we have done in the last year about this particular property, Dorsey House. A lot of this particular historical places can be used during Basa Week for local tours.

And when you say that full-time position is temp, what does that mean?

They are- Contractual? Yes, they're temporary positions. So I believe they get limited benefits.

Are there any other updates?

That's all we have for now.

Okay.

I just had a quick, I had sent two photographs. They don't get included.

I think they came in while I was sitting here in City Hall.

I just wanted to mention there was an unveiling of a piece of public art for Carl Gables on Miracle Mile. It's called Whispering Through a Stone by Jeanine Antony. It's something we should all look at and go see, just in terms of what we potentially could be working towards and what we could do for the city of Miami. It's an outstanding piece. And I know they have a private buy-in, and Carl Gables, we don't. But still, we are handling decent sums of money at different times. So I think we can look to do significant projects going forward.

Yeah, I agree. And one of the goals is to, as you all saw earlier this year, we requested budget allocation for temporary art. So we want to move forward with bringing visiting installations at our city parks as these temporary pieces also activate the spaces and the community and their ease.

The selection of the artists was, she was invited by the commission so I don't know if we're ever in that position to look at some to invite somebody to the city to do something well in our code we can acquire our via invitation so something that we can do so for Freedom Park for instance is this something that we could look to do

for Freedom Park before we can go about it via an open call a direct invitation or a combination of the two or a donation so an artist may reach out to us and say we want to work with you and temporarily loan piece. So that's part of the code.

I think to Gary's point, Freedom Park and the new City Hall or the new administrative building are going to have substantial budgets. So therefore, we should really kind of strategically plan what those projects could be, and not just do a call to artists, because as we've seen, we get a lot of the same applicants who clearly are confident and know the system and how to do it. But to Gary's point, Coral Gables has been much more proactive about going to specific artists and asking them to complete proposals for specific locations that will bring them prestige. But Freedom Park, again, is a project that would bring any artist a lot of prestige and a lot of traffic. And so we should really work with that. and work with the team to do something important for that.

That's an approach we're also looking into for the Under Deck project. We are... I've been attending community meetings regarding public art with District 5 office. They have a... kind of like their own professional advisory committee for art. And they have a group that just gives suggestions and we present the... the drawings and we present the plans. And they also suggest, they have a list of artists that they suggest for these locations. So we're in conversation with the community and the district offices to also have input and suggest artists.

And do we have any idea on the timelines on either of those two?

For the underdeck? The underdeck is now at a little past 30% design. So we have attended, I've attended two community meetings for that one. And Freedom Park, I...

Sorry, what does that mean in our timeline, that it's 30% design phase? So when do we get to the public places phase?

They're estimating 2027 for that one, for the underdeck. Yes. But we are in the preliminary phases to identify areas for public art and also categories for those areas. Areas for murals on the pillars, we've identified, quantified the number of murals that are available for art. We are collaborating with FDOT. for those murals and for the pillars. And we are collaborating with the design team for the rest of the public art.

So the idea of inviting artists to look at one of our projects, so the idea is that they look at the project and give their ideas on what they could do to add to it, as opposed to us saying, this is the wall, cover it. So we've never had that come up, that situation. We invite an artist in early, not at the end, to be part of the process. How can that happen?

We can reach out to the artist via invitation.

At what point, like for Freedom Park, we potentially, we could have an artist involved at this point.

I could just jump in for a second. So for Freedom Park, they have basically the two options of either incorporating the art themselves with a value of 1.5% of the total development or contributing the amount. So if they propose a certain artistic component that would come to this board for approval, but the approval would basically be does it comply with all the different considerations that the code provides, but that would be their design as part of the project. and then if they provide a contribution, then that contribution would be however you all want to use those funds.

But that's for the private component, but for the city administrative building, isn't that being done, or is that also being done separately?

I'm not clear on the city's administrative building, like what the art, approaches. But that's something that, you know, they can work with, with the staff and talk to them about, you know, what they anticipate. I don't I don't think that that would prevent I'm trying to get the master plan to come up on my screen so that I can actually see I don't think it's been done before that I'm aware of, that approach, but we can look into it and see if that's something that can be done, especially with the city's projects, right, like the ones that the city is designing. We could look into that and circle back with you guys.

I think it would be, strategically, I think it would be a good idea to invite the promoters or the developers of Freedom Park for our September meeting to give a presentation to the board and explain where they are and what they're thinking about with regards to their public art, whether they're gonna install themselves or they're going to contribute to the fund. They must be thinking about these things already. And so it's an important project for the city of Miami and it's probably the largest public art project that we have. please ask them to come for the September meeting, which is after the recess. And also, I think it would be a good idea, because, Gary, I think you're right. I think we should be more proactive. Rather than approving stuff, you know, reactively, I think we should be more, maybe more ideas, more proactive. And if we could also invite the members of the PAC to come and maybe have a conversation with the board, what they see, what they think we could do to improve the artist calls, to invite new artists.

I'd like to get to know them. Yeah, just to make it more dynamic. Yeah, more dynamic. We're just covering walls right now.

And we're doing it once a month only as well. It's like, you know.

I think this is a fantastic idea that the local sculptors of South Florida would be really happy and understand that we are not here just passing by, that they count into this. I agree 100%. It's beautiful.

So if you can, please.

Okay.

If you can schedule that, if you can, let us know.

Okay. If I could jump in again. Just to clarify, since the PAC committee is subject to Sunshine, you could only have one of them, right? They couldn't all come, because then they would have to publicly notice a separate PAC meeting. So you could have...

But I thought Sunshine was to discuss, like, if we're discussing a certain item or something that they have to decide on. No. But to talk about the functioning of the public art program...

yeah i mean so it's sunshine yeah because it would be it would be any meeting between one or more board two or more board members um regarding the subject of the anything that could come before the board so if if they have a me if if the pac members come to this board they they're going to trip over sunshine laws coming to a public meeting if they speak with each other about an item.

Well, they're not going to, that's my point. It's not about an item. It's about the general functioning of the public art program of the city of Miami. Like ideas.

Yeah, so the general functioning of the pack and how they operate, if it's something within the scope of what they would make decisions on, that would fall under Sunshine. So their functions and how they operate That would fall under Sunshine because it may affect ultimately what they're going to be voting on when they consider items.

But don't they already meet?

And those are publicly noticed meetings.

Right. But I'm going to say, they would come to this, which is also a publicly noticed meeting.

But this is publicly noticed that this board is meeting. It would have to be a publicly noticed for both meetings. So why don't we do that? We can do that. Publicly noticed meetings.

So do that.

Can we do that?

But I would do that at a separate meeting than the Freedom Park meeting.

Oh, no, no. No, I'm sorry. Yes, definitely it's a separate meeting than that. No, no. These are separate things. No, no, I'm not talking about the same meeting.

So, I mean, I haven't seen that done, but we can definitely look into it as long as it's both publicly noted. I've seen it done.

You have two different boards that decide to meet and co-meet. Co-meet, right. And my point is...

It's just about notice. My point is this board is different from other boards. So other boards don't have a budget. Other boards don't have the executive authority that this board has. Other boards don't have a sub board, you know, like a PAC. And so it's very difficult for us to do, you know, once a month meetings and never meet with the PAC. And everything is like, you know, it would be much better if we could have that dynamic, you know, maybe not every meeting, but certainly at least once that the PAC members can come and discuss with this board what they feel that could improve in the art program, et cetera. It's not a specific item or a specific location or anything like that. It's just in general what we can do to make this program function better.

So that would still fall within, like, sunshine required. But we can either do the, just, you know, publicly notice it, which can work. And then also, if you didn't want to, you know, have to go through the whole process, you could also have them come individually.

No, no, I think a public notice is the best way. And let's have an open discussion. Just notice it. There's no, you know.

Right. Okay.

No problem.

So it's almost like a workshop. Yeah, right. You know, where we sort of come up with a vision.

Correct. Because actually, every board have a mission. And it's important that the PAC group understand that, that the board have a mission, which is protect the local artists, support, push them up. So we have to comply with that. And they think sometimes, A lot of people thinking of public art. Well, this artist has more work done and he's famous and it's important for the site to have a kind of a renewing artist. Actually, this is not the mission of the board. We have the purpose to find those new talents that nobody knows about it.

I think it's a workshop. I think that's great. And we can have it in the agenda workshop with a pack and publicly notice it. And the public can come as well if they want to participate. And we're just talking about public art in general. And we will not talk about a specific project or anything like that.

Well, if it's publicly noticed, you can. You can talk about specific projects. Oh, yeah.

You're right. But you're right. That's a good point.

Thank you.

Okay. Sounds good. Definitely not the same day as... the Freedom Park or any other large project comes up.

And I just want to reiterate that the Freedom Park, it's both the private and the public components that we're thinking of.

Oh yeah, the city building as well, right? Right. Okay, so if there's no other items, I make a motion to adjourn. All those in favor, say aye.

Aye. Thank you.

Thank you, everybody.