Boc - Regular Meeting

We joined that place, and then afterwards, the Ordinance Committee actually asked Tori to join him with us doing the ordinance so we could work together, not against each other. And so we did it for Tori, and I have nothing but praise to talk about Tori. We've had long lines. Obviously, some things we disagreed in. We just disagreed. We didn't call each other names or yell or scream. We sat down and talked like adults and we worked through it even though we may not agree with her on stuff and she may not agree with us on everything, but we worked through it. Lori was very good at work with us. It's kind of been sad to hear some of the stuff she's done through because of all of us. So for tonight, we are going to talk about the ordinance. And I do want to assure several, a lot of you people here are concerned about the rumor that I do use the term rumor project, or is a rumor project. But just so you know, if we move forward with this ordinance, there will be amendments made in putting substantial setbacks close to subdivisions. And one recommendation was doing it from the corner of the lot. If you have a two acre lot in your house that's in this corner, make one measure from that corner. It would make that project impossible. And the person wanting to do it has even been told by several officials that it is a terrible place to go and he would not support it. Just some rules for tonight. Please be respectful of each other. Please know outwards that you will be asked to leave. You will take all crimes under advisement. The only vote we're taking tonight is at the end when we make a vote for adjournment. That is the only vote we're doing tonight. So with that, we were asked to submit some things to us, and this is a short list to cover the majority of them. Number one is always water usage. In the organization, the cooling system is only a bonus move for a fair cooling system. No other move. We also added a wastewater management plan, and the water management plan asked for a management plan that was detailed out in this discharge plan and required full compliance with the signage, so they're not just dumping it out on the ground. residential and ground. We purposely want to protect our residents and act on areas if required, unless only in business or industrial areas would be required, would require any land to be preserved, which would notify all neighbors and then would require a meeting a public hearing, and then we have to comply with the comprehensive plan. The only two places at this time, in this ordinance, that will allow this is currently the north side of Grayson and Belvedere College in St. Louis. Also, by requiring a rezone, this would make any potential project very public, including any economic development agreements. Once a planned commission wrote on this history, it would go to the commission, so it would be very public. The noise, if you care about the noise, we address this in section 3.2. which can easily be measured by an audio meter. And no, we don't want one because the county does not have a cell moment that is not going to repeat itself. We also asked for section 521.14 for noise setting. Economic value. The greatest economic value for a project would be a huge increase in assessed value for real and personal property. One project would greatly increase the amount of value and quickly drive down the property tax bill in Canada. A project where we propose that an economic impact study would be performed to quantify how much. Dismantling. Also, based on Tori's feedback, we added section 4.16 and 5.1.24 on dismantling into the ordinance as well. Most of these buildings are reused as commercial structures at the end of the life. However, we added this section based on the feedback. In this mode, our employees may be able to answer better than us, restricting the ability to ask for awareness. Mark, I'm not sure we really can tell people they can't apply for that. So you have a right to apply for a variance. That doesn't mean you can't be a variance. So, a lot of those comments were from grassroots, which we've been following up on this too. So, at this time, we will start taking public comment, and it will be limited to two minutes. And please be respectful in your name.

So, the person on the list is Amy. I cannot use the last name.

Sure.

It's kind of working. Are you ready? I live in Mississippi, and this is my first time coming to stand for something. Are you in Psalm 1, 15, 16? It says, The highest heaven is mine, for the Lord of earth is here with the Son of Man. And I know that you think that through this, we would be trying to do everything possible to make sure everything was okay for people. But I think that all this here in the scene, where the dancers and the dancers are two places, and they're one of the things most of us in the business live, that people cannot even ask their land. Their lives in the water and the body that they have is being ruined. I'm very worried about the electricity going there, the loud noises. If we're not careful, we're going to lose everything, 52 generations, and I think it's going to be a long time. But the farmers, they're being pushed out. I'm telling you, keep it right in front of you, because the Lord is going to come and help you so that you can be judged for what you've done wrong. So, that's all I have to say. Well, the next on the list is David Duff.

Can you please give comments for the audience?

Hi, my name is Rachel. I'm a resident of Miami County, and I'm currently in the Center for Impact and Transmission. I am currently living in the sauna. Personally, I'm going to be working in the area tomorrow night. Obviously, as it turned out, if there's a service in Broadway, you're going to have to put 20 computers in the room, versus just really coming in with 44,000 servers in the room. That order should only take place on the industrial land, not B2 or B3, nothing like that, either with any property within a five-mile radius from the property to a five-and-a-half-year-tent for that order to be built. In addition to this, I would like for another period to be a requirement, whereas it must be posted in a period of circulation and signed from the property to be used prior to the whole period. I would like to send my congratulations to you again. This is the webinar you've worked with us and I think the process of writing the ordinance should be thorough. You guys have put in more than a day. Make it work. You can still keep out of the US and you should not blame the Tories for your actions. Okay, next is Julie's skirt.

Julie's skirt.

How will the ordinance protect the nearby homeowners and farmers from potential impacts to the property values and the quality of life? Why is it so urgent to vote for the ordinance? I think we need to slow down and see what's happening all around our nation with these centers. Okay. If a data center receives tax abatements and other incentives, what guarantees will the residents have that is promised economic benefits and jobs will actually materialize? Because from what I've seen, it's only like six to ten. You know, it's not like 400. So, um, from the research that I've done, um, the limit up through needs to expand, like, two miles that cover the city. What happened there?

It got in too much.

So, if the county took it back, then if this ordinance goes through, we could get a data center there, or we could get a big hog farm there. What about all these neighborhoods?

There's ordinances on how to add to, like I said, once you amend it, to reduce the impact for southern communities, southern communities.

You know, I just want something to protect all of us.

And our camp. And that is what makes you so important.

Hi, I'm a student of the HHS, but I'm not a student of the HHS. But with many of my involvement with the HHS, I always thought I was much better than most of us.

So, my first concern is, I am, you know, you guys know me very well, but as the public has said, I really, we all have some community in our community.

Previously, I have said that if you get in there, nobody's going to see. Well, I found out nobody's going to see. Yeah, they have no ordinances. So, I spoke to the mayor, who is in the county down there, and he said, well, I'm not going to look into that. I said, if you don't. I'm going to get them all on their sides, and you're going to say, you know, come here, let's see. And you're saying they're coming faster than you're looking. Well, the first month I got them on their sides, they lost a little bit of strength from the housing. I just checked in this last month. It's getting on their phones.

They are holding the scent of their new house. So people don't want to be in these things at all.

The average house price also dropped, obviously, because it's a lot of money. That's a lot of money.

My main concern, that I don't know where it is in the ordinance, because the last time we put the ordinance out, but then they said, oh no, wait a minute, that's not the ordinance, that's the other ordinance, it's this ordinance, but we didn't see that ordinance.

So we didn't really know what was going on.

But my concern is, like the animals, The miscarriages of the animals have been out on you. They didn't notice, you know, a year ago. They didn't notice six months ago. You're having a lot of miscarriages. People are having miscarriages. You know, people moving and doing math, video, whatever. There is nothing. Excuse me. A few thoughts. Thank you.

Sorry, I didn't see the first page of names, so I'll go back to that one. So we'll read the next one.

All right.

I would like to be transparent. I went to one meeting on April 20th. It's about an hour and a half, and I do think I was able to get some strong recommendations in there. But at that meeting, I think it was very clear that I would like to see more time with clients. With that being said, May 14th, we started an online and in-person petition, that is roughly 25 days ago. In that 25 days, we have collected 3,047 signatures.

And for those of you in the individual, that is roughly 60 full-size school buses, building 50 people, plus 48 on the outside.

So, these are all individual sizes and constituents that are deeply concerned about the development of cloud servers, especially those on agricultural lands.

And I think that we do need to revisit, and we've had many conversations about it, but I would really, really, really ask you to consider possibly revisiting a lot of the agricultural studies of these parcels.

I agree with you. I will also recommend everyone to have their own conditions.

One of the biggest arguments in favor of data centers is that they bring job creation. If that's the case, then our ordinance should ensure local residents actually benefit. Construction jobs are temporary, and many data centers operate with very few permanent employees once completed. That is why I'd like to see stronger job creation requirements included in this ordinance. Thank you.

I want to say, first of all, I thank you guys for doing my business. I know it's a hard job. And I didn't even pay enough money to be a politician.

I have to speak into the mic.

I appreciate you guys being my commissioners. I know it's not an easy job, and I wouldn't want to be a politician in this world to save my soul. I'm telling you right now, no one in the world can pay me enough money. I don't think you're out here to hurt us either. I think you're out here in Miami County, and that's what we vote for you to do. So I appreciate you listening to us, and take everyone's concerns to heart, please. Okay? Okay guys, I know I gave you guys all the proposed Fulton County ordinance and I gave you Miami County. I don't have time to go all over this because there's too many differences between it. I'm sure you guys were like us, of me, that was so shocked how much Fulton County protects our citizens more than we protect ours. Our order to strike down is more for the data centers, not for the county people, so the people in the county. It's for the data centers. Southern looks like Fulton County has to be two miles from the subdivision. We don't have to do that. Three miles from a school. You guys don't do that. You guys, they have a $20,000 per day for Fulton County, you can't have nothing more for that, we don't have anything for that. We don't have anything for our funders or just if data centers come in and move out, we don't have anything to say, you guys have so long to clean this stuff, put it in new soil, we don't have nothing for that. I could go on and on about all this stuff. They are so much better in Fulton County than we are here in Miami County. So it's really sad. So let me finish up. I wish I had more time for a little bit. I don't think two minutes is not enough. I'm going to say this. You definitely need to revamp your proposed Miami County ordinance. Okay, you definitely need to revamp it because it's not protecting the people in Miami County. It's protecting the data centers and that's pretty sad. Your greatest concern should not be about the dollar sign. Your greatest concern should be about the flesh and blood of every Miami County citizen, but keeping the safety of the people now and the safety of the people in the future your top priority.

If I had my vote.

By my vote, I vote no data centers, but if you are one of my one abandoned data centers in the Miami County, then send this back to your planning committee and tell them to emphasize the protection of the people of Miami County above all else. Thank you. So I think most of us here today are concerned about how they're going to come in.

And I know you've worked on your own minutes to make sure they're just the biggest number of people that they come in. And we're all aware of the negative. I guess my question is, what do you see as the economic advantage to allow them to come into Miami County? What are the residents going to get from it if we do allow one to come in? And I know that we would get lower property taxes.

But I don't know how that can happen without seeing numbers and projections, statistics, but how are property taxes going to go down if that helps?

Or if we get one, how is that going to help our taxes go down? It seems like if we take agricultural land, right now the farmers are paying taxes on that agricultural land. And if a data center comes in, then they get a tax abatement and we lose part of our tax base. So I just think, with all those concerns so much about what will happen at the data center in Hickman, we would like to see some more proof that there would be something there for us. Will there be more jobs? How many more jobs? Will there be permanent jobs? Will there be just some growth in the county police data centers? How are we going to get some value from that? So, Beth and I would like to see more of this, is if we can get one, what is the benefits of those things?

The reason we can't answer that is because we don't know what will be offered. The only thing I have to go off of is what Fulton County was offered. They were offered somewhere around $80 million up front to do projects on the small towns. And they were going to give them $15 million a year for an assessment unit.

So did they not go to Boyle County then because of their strict ordinance?

Well, they have three commissioners and one of the commissioners who changed his mind. One was to get sick, one was for it, one changed his mind. That's why they did it.

I think that's all I can say about that.

Marsha Rowland I'm 100% against data center coming to Miami County. But should that happen, should you choose to adopt an ordinance, I think that it's a price to move forward because it's important. If you re-examine and re-examine an ordinance, as we said earlier, compare it to Miami County. I hope the three of you are as kind as perhaps all of us, but lack of detail in the order in which your efforts have been provided to you. And while full attendance isn't perfect, it's definitely a key improvement to the number of plans and missions submitted to you. As a former teacher, I would dare to bet for the chance to make significant revisions and re-submit. I am asking that we review the entire public health ordinance, particularly the setbacks. That's a big concern to many of us in this room. I think there needs to be a setback, even extending down 12 counties, for subdivisions, healthcare facilities, and all public schools. And another thing that I think that the whole county importance does not include is there should be no abatement. If these mega-investors seek some of the value in Miami County, they need to pay for the purpose to do business in it. No more than one data center in Miami County is going to move forward for a minimum of 10 years. giving all the elected officials time to evaluate the true value of a lot of potential expansion. I did some research and I looked at the land, county, and farms to its portfolio. These farms include the Savage Farm, the Greer Farm, the Darrell Farm, the Weller Farm, the Weaver Farm, the Reed Farm, the Murphy Farm, and the Messner Farm. Here is a statement at the top of Wettestown Tree's Wettestown State. Together, we are uniquely positioned to capitalize on the next greatest growth in the farmland, including solar, A.I. data infrastructure, and water, with a shared commitment to innovation. some sort of insurance, they would be permitted to develop, store, and work in a center.

We all know they are not funny doctors.

Tim Simpkins.

Alright, I'm going to be a bit unique here, because I'm actually thinking that it's a good idea, and a lot of that is on your side, and I certainly think it's a bad idea to refuse to operate.

Um, you know, you say, no data centers. I know the council, really, you're allowed to do land use.

You can't do an arbitrary, no data centers. You can't say data centers are not allowed. But any other business that wants to do the same thing. So like, if you were to say, okay, you can't use... How much water? Well, in fact, it's maybe... You can't get too much power from it. Maybe it doesn't make sense. That stuff, you know, for a property-sized building... Uh, you're using about the same thing you would do as a, a hostage. It's not important. It depends on, on the, you know, the thing. Um, the noise. So, basically, what you should do is, what ordinances are about to be concerned about. If you're concerned about the noise, the noise ordinances, if you're going to put so much noise out, you don't want to check that. If you're in the second half, now what do you see? That's over everyone. You can't just say, that was in the first half. If it was in the second half, you know, that means it's got to be on the second half of the game the rest of the year. Well, anybody's got attention value for the end of the first half. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You have to... But overall, if you're going to do this, you should do it separate.

Can we get some papers working out here, please?

Yeah.

I just wanted to say that to me, banning things looks very anti-business to this area. And as Carter is slowly moving away, I think banning any sort of business right now is not a wise move. I don't see really too much of an issue with the ordinance. I think the setbacks could be a little better. I think you could also maybe put some stipulations on size to keep them smaller. um so we don't have these gigantic which i don't think is going to happen i don't think we're going to build a big maybe less bright than an old town i think that you know that's just kind of you know um but um when we're talking about this today the work is it's currently in places Basically for industrial and business only. So any concerns about the farming or the residential areas, they already put stipulations against that. They won't allow them to build there. For most of this, it needs to be a case by case basis. that we can go through and we can pick the ones that we want and exclude the ones that we don't want.

We don't need to do a complete all-out ban.

As far as concerns about only six to ten people being employed at a data center, that is probably what most of the businesses in Peru already employ. A lot of the small businesses, a lot of the small factories, that's all they have is six to ten people. But data centers do draw in other business types, so it's not just based on the people that are running the data center, they bring in other businesses as well, so that's something that you want to think about. Today, well not today, recently, I got word that the Peru Community Schools through high school is going to be starting a robot program. And I don't think that anybody here has a problem with them starting a robot program that's from high school. then those kids are learning how to do the things that these data centers are going to be jobs for them to have. We are losing our high school students to other communities.

Be respectful.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you need to make a bunch of noise and drown them out. Be respectful. Let them talk.

Okay, let's go. Mark, Fred, and Brenda, my name is Taya Cheblo, and I am host to data centers in residential areas.

Fred and Brenda, I really want to talk about the 2,000-foot setback that you have already signed for the Wind Energy Conversion System and Meteorological Tower on 8-16-2021, and that did include 2,000-foot setbacks. from any dwelling, any property line, public road right-of-way, public conservation lands, wetlands, all rivers and reservoirs. So I am respectfully requesting that this same 2,000 foot setback at minimum on pages 4 and 5 of ordinance A16-2021B also be adopted in the Davis Center ordinance. All Miami County citizens deserve this protection due to potential noise pollution and over-usage of water resources. So you have set the precedent of 2,000-foot setbacks and I am now asking for the same requirements to be included in the data center ordinance. I know you are aware that you are sworn in as elected public servants to serve your constituents. I acknowledge that your actions will never please all of the people, all of the time. I get that. But my expectation is that you take action to strengthen the current ordinance on data centers. I encourage you to act wisely and in the best interest of citizens of Miami County. Please protect Miami County residents or constituents against noise pollution, leasing, and unfair and grossly inappropriate usage of water and electricity. Thank you.

Sarah Graham. Hi, my name is Sarah Graham. As there are more plans for a data center currently on the table, why rush to push the remote things? We, your constituents, who you chose to represent, are going to ask many questions and concerns.

There's plenty of time to address those and make changes.

I'm sure developers can make a convoy picture, and I'm not sure if it was the developer that took it in or not, but I would like to see you contact areas where data centers have been built and ask the people who live there about the reality of the data center. I would like you to research what those areas would have done differently in their ordinance if they have to do it again? What are some realities that they could know to address? Where do they wish they would have had stronger language? Every single one of us has done that project, and when it's over, we think, oh man, if only I had known it was gonna be like this. I would have done that.

So let's learn from the experiences of areas that have data centers.

Once the ordinance is passed and construction begins, it will be too late to ever change things.

We, your constituents, are asking you to make sure that you do all in our power to protect our land, resources, costs, and health. It's easy to say, I don't care what my name is because of this land. I'm here because I saw something a neighbor did that directly affected me.

And whatever land this data center is on, every one of them will be affected. So there's no point in saying that. Let's take our time, listen to our circumcisionists, take a serious look at our concerns to make changes and do all we can in our power to protect our community. Thank you. Richard Rowland.

Four, five years ago, you'd think of a lab center making a 250 kilowatt to 15 megawatt infrastructure that's used for 20,000 homes, that type of thing. With AI explosion in the last couple of years, that's flat out the winner. Now you're talking about a gigawatt. You know what a gigawatt is? Gigawatt, enough power for 800,000 units. All the new proposals in the state of Indiana, we want to go to one of the proposals and one of the reconstructions are at that point. That's a tremendous demand on an infrastructure, and I don't see how to keep that in place. It's just, you know, millions of gallons of water is there in this whole thing. This needs to be put in an auditorium or a plant for several years until you can get comparable communities that you can see the operation, follow the data, to see if this is even something viable in the future in this community. Lebanon, Indiana, is going to have as many as 1 gigawatt. Coastal, 2 gigawatts. New Carlisle, we're having 1.7 expansion gigawatts. Brampton, 1 gigawatt. Goshen, 1 gigawatt. Madison, Indiana is going to be one of the top 10 United States problems in the world. I always just think hard, think very hard about what we're going to do in the beginning and what's going on. We all do that, but we know that the whole thing is to do the best we can to do so.

So, thanks.

Deanna Wilson? I do want to thank you for the time that you have called on us to speak and to participate in this event.

But I, like Tori and like Sarah, are asking you guys just a question. Take a pause and wait a little longer. What are we losing in TV now, right?

Is the possibility of tax revenue worth tearing our community apart? I'm sure you guys all think So the data centers in Indiana are bypassing more than $650 million in super tax cuts. Now, I know you guys don't get those goals, and I'm really hoping that our tiny household is small enough. It's not like that happened here in Miami County, but it happened to be here. I don't know. Something that was said that I'm used to reading, but what it's taught me, I'm gonna stick to it. This county has to grow. The way we are headed if we don't grow, and the state keeps shrinking our budget, this series becomes the point of us being left with a road officer, maintenance, a highway, to our driveway road workers. It will have to be passed, and we don't want to raise taxes. Our only choice is to live at a center, or in the end, afford to pay our county employees, The problem above, that you mentioned, I see that as the state is shrinking our budget. Big tech companies and big politicians want us to think that building a data center everywhere is a no. It's not.

There is a place for data centers. I know we already have one.

But let's find the right place. I think that you guys want us. I don't know that your idea of a right place is the same as most people's idea of a right place. but I don't generally think that it can work that way. I am asking you guys, like everyone else, most people, look at the Colton County ordinance. You said you talked to Colton County, and they gave you that information all the time, so look at that ordinance because it has to be placed for those people. I do have one other question. I won't read the rest of my stuff. You're setting up today that there's no plans yet for a dad in your parent county. There's no plans. But in the same breath, you also said that you told somebody who was looking for a dad in your location that this is a terrible place for a dad to live.

Right, the land owner owns land.

The land owner wants to sell for that one.

Sure.

Okay, but that is not an official plan for that one.

That is his plan. That is ours. There's a big difference. No, I agree. You make that statement, and that's who...

It's 150, the way it used to say. So if you said the landowner is searching out to put a vaccine in here, and you told the landowner this is not a good place for a vaccine. That's correct? Okay. That's not what I hear when we say that. So let's hear it together, that's the right way to say it.

And I was willing to comment. I was willing to make that comment. I would have said that it's not the only option. I would let you know. I don't even talk to the Secretary of State about where we make manufacturing go. This is a gentleman who lived in a few minutes ago. If we did, there would have been a lot of noise. There would have been a lot of electricity. We're going to use a lot of water. And all right, there's only about 8,000 students in our campus. Okay, thanks.

Right, a hard job. There should be other options than just those things.

I'm just, you asked for anything.

Yeah, but I know, I asked for her to say that as well. That there's a big need, actually.

And unfortunately, we are not offering that.

There's over 8,000. There was, I think, in 25, there was 400 jobs. So there has been a drift.

Great. It's almost like saying, if we don't do this, we can't continue to polish other towns.

That sounds like a different problem than this problem. If the state is treating our budget, then we need to address why does the state

John Rogers.

Thank you for having all of us here. Thank you for the openness and for all listening to each other. I pray, Father, that I do pray that we do what God has willed. One thing is, as I read the whole county and Miami County proposal, people are opposed to the data center or whatever, why do you have to do it?

I just want to make one comment. I have not done anything at all for these families' organs, but people, please keep in mind, it is a proposed ordinance. They can go in and change anything in there they want to get them adopted. So I'm just throwing that out there. They can change anything.

Any other things you'd like to say before we move on?

Lee Rush.

Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight. I don't know any of you commissioners personally, but I want to thank you for your time. I would just ask you, every time you meet with a substance proposed or drafted for them, that you have this as your number one priority. How best can we protect the 99% of those We have two neighbors, less than a mile from us, that have already lost property due to any of the lanes, not because of the damage, but because of the limited access. We know how students will manifest people's commandments, property rights, and protection.

I just hope it doesn't come down to that. Have any of you commissioners been west of Lebanon to look at that data center that's been built there?

Not at all. You should go down and see it. From 200 west, two miles west of the center of Lebanon, on ABM 32, on the north side, it starts at 200 west and goes for six solid miles. There's nothing but bare dirt, earthworms, bulldozers, macros,

All the heavy goods you could imagine out there, concrete plants, it depends on the state, you know, that much, I believe, our state purchased all that. She sold 30,000, you know, purchased, purchased top through M.L.

Romaine, and I think that offered a very wonderful day for her.

And I know some of the farmers move from there to White County. I've talked to farmers in White County and they don't have to because those guys can get 50,000 acres to get up there.

So right now, we're in an ordinance. We're here to talk about one. But sir, I heard you mention at least twice, maybe three times, about amending an ordinance. You want to amend something that doesn't exist, we can amend the proposed ordinance right here.

Before we adopt it, we need to make amendments.

Well, sir, because it's not a solid ordinance yet. The student draft proposed it, right? Right. You've got to change it. Those are the amendments I'm referring to. OK.

So we're trying to do that and put rules and guidelines to protect us so when they do come, we have something.

So if you go down to the west of Des Moines, if you look at that property down there, six miles, there's no way that farmers and residents and business owners gave up all that land, okay, without some coercion from the state when you said the state did it.

Thank you for your time. I appreciate all your efforts.

Lisa, number seven.

Thank you very much. And you have talked about, this evening as well, about the 50 tri-disciple leaders that have been raised. as opposed to the one. And I appreciate that it was about talking about that, however, that is just one little piece of the hearing piece, because I was a candidate with a paper that data centers were updating by festivals, a run higher than that, 24-7. So my question is, can you explain to the launchers that, as you have stated in the email, that we can, that we cannot have any of them look at that? So what's the prospects? What's the procedure? Who's going to test it? Is there going to have a breakdown every day? Who's going to do that? Who's going to be responsible to call at this early hour? Who's going to monitor that? What are the safeguards to protect it? You don't know. It's not stated in the order. Is that correct?

It's not stated either. Exactly. .

So that's another piece that I would like to have written in the ordinance or taken under advisement as well because as of now, nobody knows, nobody cares, nobody's reinforcing it. So, that would be Monday. And I have talked to the NAACP. I've talked to the American Disability Act. I've talked to professional administration people. So, who's protecting our people with autism? Who's protecting our veterans? Who's protecting our people with behavior issues? Because, as we know, As you know, okay, so as you know the hearing, Because I've been in healthcare for 20, 20 years, and people are not being protected. I mean, there's so many people in the building. So I'm worried about that. The other thing that I'm very proud of is, again, the amendment, because it's been stated to me personally in public buildings that we have too much on-ground money in the county. And so, who's to say, okay, well, we have one of you to turn this off? Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate you commissioners for holding us here. Move it up towards your balcony.

Make sure that the green light is on.

get close all right all right uh i appreciate you holding this hearing as it's been a fantastic uh hearing to see all these folks come out for the love of the county um according to the ordinance i'd like to have us in fact to the financial position section 310 It talks about the fire department directly, but there's no mention of upgrading equipment, that is, if that cost will fall on the taxpayers or the operator of the data centers. And then if upgrades are made to that, we'll do engines, and with those engines, we'll be able to use our current infrastructure. We'll have engines full, heavier engines. Will our buildings work with bigger engines? Then section 4.8 talks about verification of water rights. So who will be responsible for the owners to get baseline testing done on their wells and water quality? Is that going to fall on the homeowners or will that fall on the county or the operator?

So who's protecting the water rights of people here in Miami County?

Um, and I guess that's the end of it, is, you know, Ag land should stay in the lands. Miami County is uniquely situated with 84% being comprised of prime agriculture. So, data centers can, quite frankly, go elsewhere than Ag land, agriculture land. Thank you.

Yeah.

Mhm.

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. That company gives you the pull once you go about using diesel generators.

If they follow a certain EPA horsepower, they don't have to use that great of a vehicle. And producing factors where they have problems is less than 50%.

Also, if you think about those property values, we're all from Texas, we live in Atlanta, property values have gone up and down, and the only buildings, man. I think they're comfortable having a technology. I work in technology at Chrysler. Two months ago, I had a commission when they were going for the award for the lawyer, and outside I was talking to him, the one Bowman was talking to, and he said that the attorneys would give between $60,000 and $80,000 a year for at least four APs.

Well, the boiler engineer at Chrysler on the $40 roof is going to make $87,000, and they're federally licensed. Everything they're going to pay, the dam's going to change filters $80,000 a year.

Also then, a lawyer representing the company let it slip that they were looking at land west of 31, the old mountain stretch there.

That falls under EPA's Environmental Asset Act.

It has to be re-conditioned land.

And they talked about growing 75,000 square feet. My farm is totally by the limit. That data center, my farm is sitting inside of that data center 19 and a half times how big it is. And there's a lot of EPA regulations being on it on the four weeks and years.

If there's any or if it's valid, they have to go with them.

If they're a kid, we're going to be able to complete it. We think it's going to be awesome, but it has to be .

channel caper.

Thank you. I want to get a little bit behind the camera, but one thing that kind of concerns me is that the state, what you said, there's no ordinance for this, correct? Who created that ordinance?

This is a proposed ordinance. It's not an official document. We're working on making it so that Ordinance committee that they brought in, you know, people are different. Have they, you know, what did the data suggest? Have they done any math research? They have done a lot of research. We started with a white piece of paper.

But, you know, I don't think anybody is listening.

I can't take much credit for this, but a couple of guys worked a lot of hours preparing other organisms.

That's the thing I don't understand, is you're going by other counties, other people that have created an ordinance, but you didn't put forth the footwork to actually contact people that live in this Miami county. Do we have it right now? We did it right now. We did it in the land commission. I'm in the lab right now.

Um, Corey, do you have anyone else who would like to follow up on anything?

You're not there since about 8 o'clock.

So, we haven't heard from you.

We're not going to wait until you reach out to the community. So, if you have time, go ahead. It just seems to me that we're just kind of like, it doesn't matter what we say, we're going to go where we want to be.

That's what it seems to me.

Hey, Chuck, just for a little bit of the citizens here, our committee that wrote this is a subsect of the Planning Commission.

Planning Commission are all members, citizens of Miami County, so there are citizens that wrote it in the library. Chuck, they are citizens beyond Planning Commission, certainly Miami County, they have to be citizens of Miami County. They are citizens here.

No, I'm sorry.

What's that?

I'd like to make a statement to protect our children and put your walls away.

I just want to start by saying thank you and give you all the opportunity to come up here and speak a little bit. I'm just going to just kind of go through this piece by piece a little bit. I understand this is a new logo. My request to you is take your time with it. It's extremely important that you just slow down. I know a lot about the data centers, mostly because I teach computer science. Is there a place for them? Yes. Is this a place? No. What a lot of people don't understand is the Dallas Senators need to be, their feet need to be thrown to the fire. There is a better way, it's just more expensive for them. So they're targeting smaller communities that they think are not smart enough or have money because of deep pockets.

I get that, so you understand. I don't discourage anybody from making any kind of money from any kind of deals.

I totally get that. But it's your guys' job to protect all of us from the few. There's only a few people that can benefit truly, but the bigger faceless companies are protected by this ordinance right now. One of the things I wanted to touch on, sorry I'm nervous. The water, we really need to look at that. Because if you don't like paying 4 something a gallon for gas, wait until you're paying 15 gallons for water, if you're lucky. I literally got a phone call today from somebody in London, Ohio. He lives 20 to 30 minutes away from the data center. He's having to put in a new well. They offered him, the people that put in the data center, I have to verify which from him. They offered him $12 a square foot. We all know that's not going to cover a well in Indiana. Because you're going to have to go deeper. Because you're close to pleading. Is that my buzzer? I'm so sorry. But I'm just letting you know, we really need to look at that. We're going to see what other things, but trust me.

I have a question for you. You say this is not the place. Are you saying Miami County? Miami County is not the place.

It is not. It is not. So, in my opinion... Jesus would make the ordinance so strong to protect all of us and our children and grandchildren, and God willing, great-grandchildren. That it would be hard, because you can always go back, but if you don't put something in plan right now, even if it sounds absolutely absurd, and it doesn't work with them, you can always go back and change it if you find in the future that, okay, these aren't as harmful as first that, you know, everybody was saying. I don't think that's the case, but...

Brittany Johnson.

I'm an elected official, and I have learned along the way how the strong arm of politics tries to control the little people. I have seen several nations where an outright ban is not politically feasible option, and our only existing hope is regulations to be frisked. I very much disagree. Our duty as elected officials and local government is to represent our local community's best interests, not the big guy's laws. I have plenty of experience leading one person to vote against another after being told that they are the most in class. There's no way of knowing that they've never possibly lost a student. The reality is, if our local governments stand together to represent our community, against the recommendation, it shifts the problem back to the big guys that are creating it, and not our problem, not our community problem. Thank you. Philip Delenki?

I mean, the plaintiff's case was in Miami County on a very specific issue in these revolutions. And of course, one section couldn't be stopped. Per the language, all equipment and buildings associated with the facility shall be set back in moments and probably in three, three, five, three lines, abutting any agricultural residences or plantations. To close revision, all buildings, substations, cooling systems, generator, capacity storage systems, Transmission infrastructure and mechanical equipment associated with the . At least 2,000 feet from any residential zone. At least 2,000 feet from any residential zone property. At least 2,000 feet from schools, churches, parks, daycare facilities, nursing homes, and hospitals. At least 2,000 feet from a government . Property value. This would be a new section of the proposal. The applicant shall establish a property value guarantee program for all homes located within two miles of the facility. If the homeowner sells the property for less than the fair market value attributed to the data center development, the applicant shall not be subject to the reference. Decommissioning financial security. Prior to the construction, the applicant shall submit a decommissioning plan approved by the county. The decommissioned book of bond or irrevocable minor or credit shall be redeemed throughout the operational life of the facility sufficient to recover full dilution, environmental remediation, and service to its costs. Noise limits, current language, maximum sound level shall not exceed 55 decibels, measured at the property line. Proposed revision, maximum sound level shall not exceed 45 decibels during daytime hours, 40 decibels during nighttime hours, measured at the nearest residential building or residential property line, which I just listed. Any questions?

Kristen, you? I don't know what you'd like me to do. I was told not to block the camera. And that one person is not gay anyway. Do you know? I feel like you said something this evening that bothered me a little bit, and I want to start by making a opening statement that I have said both online and to you both, I do not think you're saving anything for us. I do not think there's any money under the table, and I know that that's something that's a little frustrating, but I want to say for the record, I and many other people do not think that money is a saving hand. That's not to say that I'm not having any concerns. So earlier tonight, you said that there would be zoning meetings and commissioner meetings, so everything would be very public. But we had a public meeting before the planning meeting, and this public meeting allowed the hall to speak about a strictly regulated two-minute window, like tonight. Public comment was closed, the meeting was open, and a vote was taken without any discussion of anything that hundreds of people showed up to say. So given the opportunity to speak, it's not the same as through what you heard. And that might be part of the disconnect between what you guys are saying and what you might be saying. I'd like to see us all get along on this issue. I'd like to say, I think it's untrue that there are no projects. I was at the commissioner meeting when the attorney for one of the projects was sitting there giving input onto a ordinance. So you can't say there's no projects. That's not the same as not having a project in front of you. It's not the same as saying there's no projects in the works in my opinion. So for the interest of our local community and its citizens first, I do think we should be in industrial zones only, not business zones. I think there are a lot of businesses that would not want to come in alongside the study hub and the media center. We're not being pro-business. And I actually just got through a super boring and very expensive study that the county paid for, the Miami County Economic Development Plan. And instead, what we're looking for in our county is industrial jobs, medical jobs, agricultural jobs, and this doesn't fit in any of the categories that we stand here pursuing for Wai'anae County.

So I'd like to thank you.

If that was all the best engineers, if that was all the best people on record, who still need our accounting at the 2431 corridor, and all the best that the county has to offer, why aren't those the industries that we're talking to instead of the data?

We've been told they're going to come to Miami County. Are we supposed to just sit there and say, huh, you can go or you can go now? I'm trying to be proactive.

I didn't say, OK, so I have a little sign that says no data center.

And as well as the knowledge that I said before, in the county concern meeting, I'm not against data centers.

But I am concerned about a data center right now. I don't think we know enough to protect our county in order to do it properly. And the process by which the policy has been able to come forward hasn't given me more confidence in the process. I get that.

I get that.

Do the data center's attorney get to continue to have input in our ordinance?

You guys literally said Tori, and I didn't think she was that person. And then you guys said Tommy, and I was like, what was I? And if that's off the record, it's on the video.

I mean, I don't know if the sound is any good, but it's there.

So I don't think we can pass our current word, which is out of rhythm, and also playing, but we're acting and counting best figures. That's one thing. I think there needs to be a lot of . That's the right word?

But it doesn't change my mind. Jason Weinberger. He's outside, I believe. Jason Weinberger. Morning. Morning.

Morning from Jason Weinberger for Stephen Phillips.

Austin Linus.

I want to thank you very much.

I did hear about the wastewater treatment of what does the total suspended solids allow?

So you guys aren't able to triangulate that, correct? I can't answer that. Okay. But it would be good to have this here, which would follow your idea.

Yes, yes. I used to triangulate slaughterhouse. Okay. Hi, I have a question about previous land transfers between Makita and existing data centers.

From public records, it looks like the land was purchased by Makita for a specific amount and then sold to that specific amount. Is Makita not allowed to make any money on land transfers? Thank you. Okay. So, David, please. Yeah, a lot of the other stuff has been answered. That's all out of job after doing a lot of credits in the class.

On that particular Madison, that had been one of the really good arguments for us working on Immortals. They had no room to go by.

They did whatever they wanted to do.

Yeah, I'd love to see yours, but I don't know what to do with it.

Just be like, let him inside of it, please. Okay.

Thank you. Is Jason Weinberger here?

Jerry, you're coming in.

I live in Chicago for 55 years. This is a great system to handle. I want a person in this room that wants this data center. Why not put it to a red line and let the great people of Peru decide what they want?

Last call for Jason Weinberger.

Thank you Jason.

I'm on a little block.

Okay, there's two people, and that's all we're going to allow for the sign-on.

So if you have any questions... We need another sign-on.

Thank you for having me speak. I'd like to raise two points. A closed loop water system is wonderful, and that's all fine. But that's not the problem. The problem is the fact that these generators, if they were to engage with the water system, they're not going to poison the water system.

Local wells and farmland and a lot of that, almost all of that, is going to be bad. Use small, local, or most reliable companies as the owner of the record.

And then, if there's some huge problem, the local market, the reliable company, goes bankrupt.

It's called a Texas two-step.

You need a large business company, whether it be Google, or Facebook, or Microsoft, They walked away, so I'm free.

And you can go walk away if you have poison water. And I know this is a concern about my mechanic.

I'm bringing in new residents. But you know how hard it is to bring in residents when your apartment is poisoned?

If you're going to have on this ordinance, you need to maintain it. So you need to maintain it such that the large company that's actually doing the business is the one who is responsible.

Now, if they say, in fact, oh, we can't afford to do that, well, if you can't afford to do that, then you can't afford to run a data center.

If you can't afford to clean up your mess, then you can't afford to make your mess. OK? If Miami County can't afford to clean up your mess, When you look at 55 festivals, well, the recommendation is 25 festivals. And right now, the ordinance says, OK, $100 a day. That's $36,000 a year. You think that they can't pay $36,000 to go and break that ordinance every day? I mean, make it $100,000. That sounds like a lot, but I'm like, well, you're not going to break it in one word. How do you respond to other media, okay? And it sounds like that's too much. Well, if you're not going to correct it, then you don't need it. If you are going to correct it, then you do need it. And it's too expensive. That means just, you can't afford to poison it, but you can't afford to fix it. Well, I mean, if it's what it says, it's fine. But that's not what you're worried about. Thank you very much. Hi, my name is Peter, and we're going to take a little bit of a different approach, let's say. It's we the people, not I the people. My name is John, and I grew up in this town, and this is absolutely very, very, very scary to talk about this in my own town. I'm going to tell you a couple things. I've lived in this town 55 years, and I've seen where the people of Peru have stayed, and I'll give you a couple of things. When we all set a schedule to make sure that we're going to do the Riverfront Walkway, there were greedy people against the minority of people who didn't want to. Well, guess what? We got the walkway. About 25 years back, when we stood up and enough people decided that we wanted a prison in this town, except maybe about 50 or 100 people on Barker Hill. We the people stood up, and we the people of Miami County will vote, and I'm not saying, I don't know who's discounting this, I'm under the commission who voted, who voted for this proposal. But the thing is, we the people of Miami County, we'll vote you out. We stand up with the boys of Miami County, we the joint, not I the people. And this brilliant young man over here is a young man. I am so proud of this young man. This is a young... voice of landing county 17 years old and i have been so proud of you and this is the voice of good landing county we need a new voice we need a great point from here new ideas

Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Can you say your name for the record?

Most of us know all the different reasons why we don't want it in the data center, right?

There's the excessive noise pollution and the water consumption. There's even water shortages. The wells run dry. There's also the contaminants in the water. For the people in Oregon, I don't know if you've heard about that, but in the contaminants, there were so many contaminants, they weren't able to filter them out.

And people got organ damage, they got rare cancers, and they got a whole lot of miscarriages.

And I don't know if you have, you know, kids or grandkids, you know, if you're thinking about them, you know, the short time that you have that center, you know, so far, it hasn't been that many years. And if you think about the years of this impact that this is going to have on their health and even on our own health and your own health. If you think about these areas, the animals leave. People's families are getting sick. And it's not safe for the animals, it's not safe for us, and it's not safe for your kids. And there's so many other opportunities that we could have. The data centers, they don't provide jobs for us. They provide very few, and there's a lot of broken promises with the data centers. And we want, you know, our kids to be able to stay here. A lot of us love Vikings County. A lot of us, you know, we've been here for generations. And we want to be able to stay here. And you know, there's people that are trying to move away from their county centers. And they can't even sell their houses because nobody wants to live by. And so we ask you to please, you know, protect our county through our kids and our grandkids.

and to help us to be able to have a nice, healthy, you know, time for our community. Then you have the worst experience. Yes.

I think the only thing I'd like to say is, thanks for everybody coming and sharing. I don't quite understand the feeling of urgency, because I'm not feeling the need to hurry up and get this done.

I'm more interested in the moment. But I don't understand why you're feeling the urge. Thank you for hearing us.

So that's why we need to get it done. To figure it out. It's about the children. Why didn't you sign that?

I'm calling for a motion to close this hearing.

I want to come around and speak.

We'll get a motion and a second to close this hearing. I want to thank everybody for coming out and being respectful for the most part. So thank you very much.