Boc - Regular Meeting

Good morning. This is March 16th. This is the board of commissioners meeting. I'll call this meeting to order. Um on the agenda, I would like to amend it by adding um the day of prayer and child abuse awareness. If there could be a motion. I'll make that motion to add that. Second. And a motion and a second to approve the amended agenda. Please can all rise for a prayer and a pled pledge to allegiance.

Dear Lord, we thank you for this day. We thank you for the opportunity to come here and serve the citizens of Miami County. Lord, just thankful that the storms were no more worse than they were over the weekend. Thank you for all the hands that were out um keeping the community safe. Pray that you be with our troops that are overseas in the war. Just guide and direct them and give our leaders wisdom. And we just ask for wisdom as we go through this meeting. In Jesus name we ask these things. Amen. Amen.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, first on the agenda and Janice.

Oh, okay. Okay. Yep.

Just it's easier to come over here. Okay. The first thing is on the list is bridge 165 draft or contract. I sent that to you um I believe all three board of commissioners early last week. Did you all receive that? Okay. Um this is a standard contract that we would have between INDOT and ourselves. So basically this is the this is a project coordination contract and uh if you approve that contract there's nothing that isn't I went through it. It's it's fine. This is a typical contract that we do with INDOT. Um, and that last page, you'll notice, let's see, you would have noticed that the construction, and this isn't for construction, but it has the construction price and the construction inspection, which we are in contract with BFNS for construction inspection. 92,000 is what the uh federal state award is. So anyway, if you three would agree to that and then Fred, I'll send a message to INDOT later today and they will send you uh or doc you sorry to sign that contract.

I don't see a problem. So I'll make a motion to accept that. Second. There's been a motion and a second to give the chairman permission to sign the contract within dot. All in favor say I. I. I. Then next on the list we've got CCMG review. Uh if you recall the funds got cut the additional funds. Well they cut what? What was 150 million? What did they cut? Yeah, about about 150 million. So it went down to 100 million total.

So then they upset a lot of counties, the cities and towns and we were all counting on this to finish Wash Road as you know. Well then Fred, you got the phone call from downstate from Kathy McKel that they've added another 75 million in. They're going to give some of the counties, cities, and towns a shot at it. So then Kathy, I called Kathy after you talked to her and we actually put the cart before the horse. We have advertised this project for Wall Bash Road and Paul Paul Pike and basically what this comes down to whoever gets to it first going to get hopefully get the money. So we still haven't been approved for this. Uh but the legal out there, she said just go at it as fast as you can. Luckily, we had the plans in place from last time that we put in the um the contract or not contract, excuse me. It was the uh application for it. So, we were ready to be approved. We they just ran out of money. So, um I just wanted to give you a review on that. The hope is that we'll get this, which coincides with uh the structure that we're going to bid on today. So, that's all we can hope for. Okay. Uh the incidental thing I'm just going to jump to that before we open our bids. Um

if you recall last October we talked about seeking a consultant to help us with ADA title six. That was October. I did print the minutes on that. Um I do have a meeting with Tim Clark and I think he's from Frankfurt. He is an expert in um ADA. Um, actually I got the info from Colin Sullivan today. He's here from Butler Fairman Cipher and I've talked to Tim uh about this a little bit. We have a meeting in about two weeks from now and I don't know Colin, can you give us any information about this? Yeah, about the ADA. Sure. So,

um, as you know, AA has become a hot topic and we need to get everybody up to speed on where they should be. That's going to matter for funding in the future for CCMG, uh, federal funds, federal highways, pushing this on everybody. So, um, it's a good thing, uh, to get make sure everything's in compliance. and uh Tim Clark who I recommended Janice has been somebody that we've worked with in the past and other communities we've seen work with and he does a good job and he knows the in and outs of ADA better than I do for sure. But but that that's kind of gist of I'm happy to answer any questions on that. I know Tim can he'll come in here and probably talk a little bit more about it but he is the guru that I know of ADA. So

after speaking with Tim, he has I think he told me two or three handicapped kids. So he's got two two hand on it. So I'll be so I think he'll be a good resource and we'll we'll find out more when we meet on uh I think it's Wednesday. And Fred, I think you're on that ADA committee. If you're available that that at that time, I might see if you can pop in there. And I think a couple other ones um that are on that list of ADA and will have the funds for hiring an engineer or he's not an engineer. He's an ADA consultant. Okay. For the consult.

So, um that's something we'll have to figure out because that was something that we talked about. I don't know how much it's going to cost. I will tell you that we did pass the ADA for uh CCMG but barely but Dave Buck worked with me and uh Megan and and and Dave Buck is butler cipher and we got it done but it it was tough um and it's just going to grow. Yeah, we know enough to get the passive like get the plan together but the actual like the height of door knobs and lights that's a little bit beyond. Will our new construction now help us?

Well, I I I don't know. So, I don't know who your new construction is, but they need to make sure they're they would surely be in compliance. I Anything done within the road? You mean as far as the new construction for the roads or

he's talking about the courthouse? Um, I would assume so. I would definitely think they need to get with the ADA uh committee and make sure that they're on, you know, have everything in proper place. So, just wanted to let you know that. Um, next we do have the opening bid. So, you may as well stay here, Colin, and get that done and we'll talk about that. So, we do have opening bids. Just to refresh your memory, this is a small uh structure replacement um approach work on East Small Bash Road over Shrock Creek and we have put in the legal uh Butler Fairman Cyper was that they helped the plans for us. So, and they gave us the the list of everyone that was going to bid. So, we do have I think this morning they all came in. We have a five of five minutes.

I think I'll let you. Yeah, we'll help you open them. How about that? Let me get the opener. If I have an opener. All right. I got Chad. All right. First one we have is Dman. Yeah.

Yep. Sure. Logus Dyman out of Logus. Dyman Esavating Company. Right. They have a total bid of 882,69475. I'll just put them back in order paving

this uh 711,764. That's EMB paving. Smith's excavating 722,743. That's Smith's Esav. This is Milestone Contractors out of Fort Wayne. We got a total bid of 720,142 and 111. 72042 and 11 cents. And the last one that is uh from Morphe construction is that Morphe M O R P H E Y out of Indianapolis.

He's here today. When we get done, we'll have our uh vendor stand up and introduce themselves. I guess we could have done that before. And Morphy's uh bid is 880,000. So Taylor, you want to stand up and introduce yourself? Yeah, I'm Taylor Smith on the replacement Joe.

You want to go ahead and introduce yourself? Don't worry about it with public designer. Okay. Nate Ryan from the area manager for the Cook office for EN have any other biders here today that we will go down and review these um and we'll be back and Chad will give you a recommendation.

Mr. Do we need to make a motion to take those under adisement? Yeah, I move we take those under advisement. Second. Been a motion or staff to take these bids under advisement and they will report back shortly. All in favor? I I All right. So, next would be someone here for the circus festival.

See nobody. So, the circus festival would like the use of the Court Street lawn and parking lot during Circus Week, which is July 10th through the 18th, and closure of Wayne Street Bridge on I assume Saturday the 18th of July. I move we approve. Second. Been a motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. I.

Next would be Mandy. Hi. So, um, for about the past 15 years, we've had two positions partially funded from Department of Corrections. Um, we're asking for the exact same amount of money this year for those two positions. If you recall, last year, we talked about how DOC has cutting the funding. Um, so we're anticipating a cut again this year. We received um a slight decrease this year for those two positions, but I just need your approval to go ahead and apply for the the same grant that we've applied for for years now. They've historically given us about $125,000 those two positions, but DOC is cut they've cut $11 million from their budget for these grants. So, we're anticipating less in funding. I move we approve to allow them to fill out that application.

Second. Got a motion and a second to allow Mandy to apply for the DOC grant. All in favor say I. I need a copy of that. Did you give it to me over here? No. But I can you can email it. Thank you.

Good luck, Angie. So, I'm here to also ask for approval of my DOC uh grants and budgets. I emailed them to you last week. I also have a hard copy if anyone needs one, but it's the same situation. We first um were we initially were funded by the Department of Correction in 1999 and we've applied every year. Uh we have two grants in community corrections. One covers drug court and one is for community corrections. So, uh again, I'm just asking for approval uh of those grant applications and budgets.

Make a motion to approve. Second. Then a motion and a second to let Angie apply for some more community correction grants. All in favor say I. I. I. Thank you. Paper for both. Yes, for both my grants. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. I'll email the whole thing to you and that when it's all

Next, we have the to talk about the lease for Park View renting the German Street buildings. They would be paying 1,500 a month. who rent the office space and the pole barn out back to park their vehicles in. They are also paying the utilities for both of those, which currently the utilities are all off because the previous owner shut them off and we're waiting for Park View to be able to turn them back on. So, I would entertain a motion for the lease. I move we approve the lease.

Second. Been a motion and a second to approve the lease for Park View on German Street property. All in favor say I. I. I.

I can give a little update. They are moving right along with renovation. So far, we are under budget on renovations. The cabinets are in and I believe they're out there working today. Hopefully they'll have a sink hooked up and the building will the poop pool barn will soon be ready for the ambulances. So hopefully it will be all up and running very soon. Um next we have the renewal of the seaman's service agreement. Is there anything you can say about this is just

it's literally the same thing that we had every year with the same increase going on in the next three years at 5.5%. You and I met with um the gentleman from there Taylor a while back with Brandon and everything's literally the same agreement that we had prior. It's just the renewal for the three-year contract that we we normally do.

Okay. So the contract is we're starting April 26th going through March of 20 March 31st of 29. The first year is $10,9.99 90. Second year is $11,56449 and the third year is 12,258.36. Do I have a motion to accept this? Make a motion to accept. Second. A motion a second to approve the service contract with Seammens. All in favor say I.

I. I. For the uh the heating and cooling the seaman's specific.

Yes. the boiler, the air conditioners. It's proprietary, so nobody else can mess with it. Next would be on May 6, asked for permission to use the courthouse lawn for the day of prayer. And I told them when they asked that there may be some construction going on, but they can find a spot. So, we would need approval for that. Move we approve.

Second. Been a motion and a second to allow the day of prayer on May 6th. All in favor say I. I. I. And then there's child abuse awareness month is April and they want to put a pin wheel out here on the lawn which we've done this many years. Many years. Yeah. So we need approval for that. Move we approve. Second. Been a motion and a second to approve the pin wheel for April Child abuse Month. All in favor say I. I. I.

And Marjorie is not here to give an update on Eagle's Point. You have no update on No.

Okay. We don't have an update. She did provide us with where did I put it things that have been dropped off. Um there has been reported two recliners, a washing machine. That one doesn't say Then several pieces of furniture dumped out. So baby mattress. So they're still having issues out there. Our ordinance is already taken effect. So I don't know where we go from here on that to help them out without having cameras to catch people. I don't know what we're to do about that. What else we got here?

I just need you also to recognize that the sheriff's department turned in their commissary reports. We skipped that up at the top. Oh, yes. Yeah, it was a major, but we just need to include that. So, they they've sent January and February's commissary reports in to us. stuff. Um, no, just the only thing they do is to tell us where their total is and we just make sure that it reconciles from each month to month and that's it. But literally just acknowledging that it's done for state board of accounts. Every month they send these into us. I move we accept the report from the sheriff's department on the commissary amounts.

Second motion and a second to accept the commissary report from the sheriff's department. All in favor say I. I. I. Well, we moved through this list way quicker than I thought we would. Um, you want to sign this now or later? This is the lease agreement.

I can give a little update. We are having issues with the uh museum. Many of you are probably aware the windows have been cracked, but crack is getting worse. Um over a year ago we contracted with the architectural firm that has yet to ever show up. I've called him multiple times. We are moving on to somebody else. I think we will move on to somebody else to see. The building is settling and that's why the windows are cracking and there are some kind of disturbing structural weak points in there. But um someone did come in and take a look. An engineer came in and took a look that uh did not charge us. Did not think it was worth condemning, but it is not very comforting to see how much that building is settled. So that will be coming soon. And also our animal control truck is really tired. So, we probably will start looking for a pickup truck for the animal control, which when she got it, it was a very tired truck when she got it, and it has not got any better. And unfortunately, the county highway does not have the trucks they're getting rid of were probably not really worthy of keeping around. Mark, do you have anything? I have nothing. had a busy weekend.

Yes, sir.

I would like to thank EMA. We've had power outages just three times. Twice was on division road. Your guys was down there just making sure everybody was safe. So, yeah, we're three of your 30 sub calls, I'm sure. Need to hear back from You want to go ahead and do the minutes and stuff. Get them out of the way. Yeah, you can do those.

I probably read the list, had the I just stopped at that point. If you just want to get those out of the way, fine with me.

Payroll. We have the minutes. So, make a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting. Second. A motion and a second to approve the minutes. All in favor say I. I. I. Which is next? Uh payroll. Move to approve payroll. Second. A motion and a second to approve payroll. All in favor say I. I. The claims. Will we approve the claims? Second. Been a motion and a second to approve the claims. All in favor say I.

I. I. We might as well get those out of the way. And I just text Janice to let her know we're ready whenever she is. Not rushing. it so that they didn't think they're going to have a lot of papers to

Yes, they did. Right. Thank you. Do you have anything to report? No. You're kidding. I can make up.

Tim Hunter doesn't have a thing to say. Now she mentioned it. No, I didn't. Well, since we're in a live audience, you could announce what you know is coming before 2030 on your radios. Well, I don't know anything for sure. I can't sort of stuff though. I really haven't heard a whole lot. Is it state or federal that is basically mandating? I believe it's federal, but that's what I understand. So I what I pull down to just so the rest of you might know a little bit, we're going to be required to change all our radio systems and they're shooting for 2030 to have all this done. And I think it's an FCC thing that's coming down. That's the way you understand it. They think they're kind of behind it. Uh everything's going to have to be changed. Everything we have now is going to be obsolete. Um and it's going to be quite pricey. Uh probably to the two all 911 um dispatch centers have to be changed. All our council councils will have to be uh changed in there. Right now it's at a it's a number of right in the neighborhood of 75,000 per council. By the time we actually get the ball rolling on this and get this completed, I'm sure the numbers will change on that.

But when everybody has to do this, you know, and and follow these rules and why not make these changes, that's going to be quite the big workload on everybody in the state that has to make this change. So there's going to be, you know, like whether we go to Motorola or who it is, they're going to get bombarded. It's going to take time to get this equipment, you know, make all these purchases, uh, get everything into into working order. Um, it's just it's going to be a big hassle. It really is. Um, it's going to be going to be quite expensive. And then all the all the mobile radios and portables that they have in the cars, all those are going to have to be changed. We don't know at this time as far as 911 is concerned at the dispatch center whether statewide 911 will be able to to help pay for this or not. We don't know yet. Uh and from what we hear that could go away. So we don't really know at this particular time. There's a lot of enormous size question marks as to how this is going to go. But all the mobiles and the portable units and whatnot will probably definitely be dumped on on us. But we're going to have to take care of that. I don't know of any type of nothing's been spoke of to my knowledge. Maybe you've heard something as far as any grants or anything concerned. I don't think there's anything out there at this time. They're hoping to have everything completed by 2030. Now, on one hand, that looks like a long way away.

On the other hand, everything that has to be done and all the changes have to be made and all this equipment has to be ordered and put into place. It's going to be pretty quick. I have a question. Yeah. The public safety fund, we got what 0.19 or something. Can that be raised? I don't know. It would have to be raised soon in order to collect enough money to cover that. Yeah, it probably would have to be. Yes, I I don't know that at this time. Yeah, it's it might be. I'm going to say I'm going to say this. It's It's going to be I'll just be straight with you. It's going to be an ugly hit. Yeah, it really is.

So, we need to get prepared. Yeah. So, um, yeah, it it is something we're going to have to look at and we're going to have to look at it very soon because if we wait too long,

then we're going to be in the issue of, well, everybody's ahead of us. Oh, we can't get this equipment. It's going to be everything's going to be on a long hold, you know, or you're going to be on a list and you're going to be way down that list. So, one of those things, you know, it's it's come at us and and nobody can give us anything definite right yet. We got our information, excuse me, from JNK, which is a Kinwood company work with out of Columbia City. We got our information from them. Motorola has never said the first word about it. We've contacted Motorola and we've been put off now twice. They're going to come and and lay everything out to us. We still haven't seen them yet. So, and I'm not so sure that they are totally up on

everything that's going to happen. So, now you know what we know. Wish I could tell you more, but that's just what we know for the time being. And it's not going to be just us. the city and everybody's gonna have to go through this. EMA is going to have to go through this. All their equipment is old equipment. Everything is going to have to be brought up to standard with with their agency. So, it's not going to just be us. That's all. Appreciate it. I just wanted to bring that up so people are aware when it time comes and you have facts and figures that were forewarned. Not much we can do about it.

We're talking about millions of dollars would be when you think of all the equipment. It could be. Yeah. It's it's going to be an ugly number. Yeah. This include all emergency services. I'm sorry. Including the fire departments. Whoever has an 800 Yeah. Whoever has an 800 radio more than likely system is going to include. Yes.

What what they're doing is if you know the 800 system, there's there's five repeaters in the county. One of them runs the radio so that there's four of them that you're allowed to talk on. And what they're doing is they're splitting those repeaters. So that will make it there'll be eight channels open instead of four. And and in doing that, just like when we narrowed the the VHF radios, a lot of radios wouldn't take it. That's the same thing that's happening with the 800s. they can't take the split, so you'll have to buy new radios.

And the the other thing in addition to that is it's caused a lot of this problem. So many have now gone to the 800 megahertz that it's hitting full basically. And so they've got to split it up now and basically double it is basically what it boils down to in order to be able to get everybody uh on the system. So, you just wanted to go out with the bang, didn't you? It's a big the bang's going to hit after you got to make it. When are they supposed to come back?

When they're done. When they're done. I do have something to say. Can you come up to a microphone so

I was in conversation with Janice Hughes uh regarding uh the trash out at the um you know on 400 West and it keeps coming keeps coming. It's always mattresses. So, she had an idea and I think she's hit on it because she documents every single run, every call that comes in and when the uh the debris is picked up, guys come in and she logs that in as well. So, the other day there was a mattress or two out there. The guys went out and picked it up and just a matter of a day or two, there were three mattresses out there. So, she came up with the idea that she thinks that Eagles Point hires somebody, and this is what needs to be investigated, hires somebody to haul the trash away that gets set out at the road when renters leave, and that the guy picking it up might decide that he doesn't want to pay to take the mattresses to the dump. So, he's just found an easy way to dispose of because it's very unlikely if you think about it that somebody's going to move and put three mattresses out at one time. So, I think Janice was going to talk about this today, but since she's not here, I'm speaking just regarding what she and I talked about. And I think she's hit on something really good, but she said, "Well, who's going to call Eagle's Point?" And so I said, "Well, I think that would be something the commissioner should address." Just food for thought. Thank you.

Don't really like this dead time. share something.

Robert contacted me the other night with the historic circus barns and quite a bit of damage out there. Yes.

And I spent some time with the Indiana Barn Foundation representing Miami County. So, I reached out to our people and I gave him a list. I was out there earlier before the meeting today and it's uh really sad to see those barns. They keep going down and we want to we want to try to save them and they should be saved as historic part of our county, but those barns need a tremendous amount of repair. I think you can easily dump a half million dollars out there.

Took pictures today. The barn roofs are they look good from the side when you come in there to look at the whole situation, but if you go on the backside, they're in terrible shape. There's a bunch of holes within the roof that are going to go down in and eventually rot out the rest of the uh rest facility sadly. and the historic barns and the historic barns that are in the back building along the field. That building is in terrible shape and I would just hate to see that all go down. Um I have a solution. They've they've thrown it to the weeds once already and it may work for across the street here too, but um the Indiana Landmarks Foundation has offered to take that on out there. It would change ownership

directly, but they would keep it up in really good shape. And I don't think as a county that we have all the extra funds to do that, unless we got a million dollars sitting around that we can just throw out here here and there, but I don't think that's the case. Anyway, that's my Do you have anything to add to that? No, I agree. I'm on that board also and it does need a lot. But Indiana Landmarks has offered and it was it was declined out there but maybe we need to come back with it. I have a friend that does the president down there of Indiana Landmarks

and I can get him back up here. I can get an assessment done with those barns too of all the damage and and we can have an active conversation of what what that damage is and what it's going to take to fix it. Um, one of the guys that are involved within, the Indiana Barn Foundation, does restorative work all over the world and some of the greatest facilities that we've ever had. So, you know, there's possibilities to save them and I just hope that we don't let them fall and go down as part of our history.

I'm assuming that the holdup is they don't want to give it ownership. I don't really understand what the holdup is. Uh there's only three of us, I believe, on the board that even reside in Miami County. We have North Carolina, Illinois, Fort Wayne. I mean, there that's the board and there's only like three from here. But no, I think conversation needs to be had with the Landmark Association. That would be a good solution because

who owns it? As far as I know, uh, it's leased right now. The Bond family owns the grounds and as long as there as long as those buildings are there, they get to keep it, but if it changes hands, there could be a problem. That's the only thing is legal aspect needs to be looked into. That may be what the holdup was. Would you and Robert be on board? I will be. Yes, it has to be fixed. And I don't care who fixes it. It needs to be preserved. I'll do my best to get a hold of. It's a good friend of mine and I'll try to get him up here. Be great. Thank you.

And I love the old buildings too and we're said with the museum. They are costly. I'm involved in the Stockdale Mill Foundation and we have a decent amount of money. Of course, the repairs are always just a little bit more than what's in the fund. It's frustrating. We have been waiting to hear what you have to say, Chad. Oh, wow. That fast. We have been waiting. No, that's fine.

Before I announce, I would like to introduce John Corbett from DFNS. Um, he's a project manager and he's helping the estimates on this project. That's uh that's John sitting right beside me. Janice been a long weekend.

Well, I'll tell you. Yeah, our guys have have had a long last three or four days, so we're on minimal sleep, so it's it's good I'm in front of a microphone after all that. Um, we're going to accept all the bids, but I am recommending that we um award ENB paving at $711,764. And I do have some papers for you to sign. I move we approve his recommendation, ENB paving. Second. Got a motion and a second to approve ENB paving to award them the worked on W bash road. All in favor say I.

I. I. While you guys are signing that paperwork, I wanted to um in being a little more transparent to you guys going forward, I want to announce some personnel changes that I made. Um Dad, we can't hear you. You got your You got to get the microphone. Unfortunately,

yeah. Um, I have moved Kenny Wheatley to south in Foreman, Dalton Pal to an operator and he will be in charge of taking care of the base, Travis Sheets to our floater position, and Travis Drake to our head mechanic. These are all guys that have kind of earned their way up and it's going to make our department um, a lot more efficient. So, I want to let you guys know that's been done. Thank you.

And thank you to your crew for what all they did. I didn't personally see them in our area, which I'm thankful for, but um I'm sure they had plenty of trees, too. They did. They worked very hard, so I appreciate that. I'll let them know. I came by variety by the highway department after you guys should have all been gone and the parking lot was about full and thought that's not a good sign. No. probably the roughest three days that we've had in a while. That includes winter. So, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Was Marie Vanderpole here today? She was not. Do you have anything to add or

I printed off? Yeah, we got that or nuts. Yeah. except that I don't know what the procedure is to act upon the uh illegal dumping on the roadside. Um now we're at a point where uh fines and citations and I don't that would be you guys and but you have to catch them. Yeah. Yeah. Is it the renters? Is it the

landlord company? So, in that we Marjorie uh has tried to talk to the landlord company and I actually have there's another new landlord company. Um she thinks it's the renters. They're moving out and they're leaving it at the roadside and then she's trying to contact the rental company and they won't return her phone calls. They won't even let her in the door. So way I understand I I don't know what's going on with that. We could send a violation letter to the landlord company. I'd be a little hesitant to actually file any violation against them if it's the renters that are taking their trash or their whatever it is and putting it out on the side of the road because they're the ones that are really violating it. Um that is also part of the part of the cost of doing business to me the landlord. So I'll take whatever direction you want if you want. Are they dumping it all in the same place or are they just miscellaneous places?

I the way I understand sometimes it's on the sidewalks, sometimes it's right there on the curbs. Have you seen it, Chad? Out there. He plows out there. Yeah, it's uh random places, but it seems like once a pile starts, it just continues to grow. So, it would be impossible to just put out there to catch people because it's multiple places. Do they have big bins? Big They don't. That probably would help. They need to put bins where people could throw them in. I don't know why that wouldn't be a requirement. Well, I don't think they'd be able to keep up with it to be honest. It probably be the same thing, but I

the sheriff. What? What is this? Yes. You said something last time. This was it more of a civil suit or Well, no. In order for us to do anything, we're going to have to pick somebody in the act

in order to be able to do it. And you know, if if there was some sort of camera system out there of some sort, you're going to be able to need to identify the individual then or maybe get plate numbers or whatever in order to be able to kind of narrow it down and really file on somebody because, you know, you could say, "Well, we got a camera up there. Here's a car right there." Well, be able to actually identify that car, who's got that car, and actually who did the illegal dumping, you know, we're going to be able to narrow that down and be able to catch them in the accident in order to be able to do so. Other than that, it makes it pretty difficult, you know, to step in and get somebody doing that. Uh but at the same time, you know, one of the things you always hear from people, well, we don't know where to dump this stuff. They never have any place to dump it. Put these bins out there and they're always full,

you know. Um you got one hand deserves the other one here. You got this responsibility in this hand, but you got to have a place for them to put stuff. It has to be accessible, right?

You know, it's like it's like the um place out on Wallace or or Loganport Road out here, you know, that we we could take our solid waste stuff to or a lot of things we want to get rid of paints and, you know, such as that. You know, people say, "Well, you know, you go out there, well, you can't get in there." Well, you know, after hours or they won't take this or won't take that. That kind of thing leads to dumping on the side of the road. Mhm. Happens all the time. We put up with it for years. There has to be a place for people to take stuff. Yeah. And it has to be easily accessible.

Can we do any kind of a resolution or an ordinance requiring these housing additions have one of those dumpsters for their I'd have to look into it, but my my intuition is to say no. Probably not, but hopefully we could do something. I mean, it would at least tell them that you're not getting by with it. You have to take care of this stuff. Our people shouldn't have to go out and spend their time picking up that stuff. I agree with Mark's comment that it's the rental company's Yeah. problem. That's part of business.

I think anybody who owns a rental property and you rent it out to a house, then that renter leaves what what you have left, it's part of doing business as a having a rental. Um, how to address that? I don't know. Is is there one owner of most of those properties? Do we need to send letters to all owners of any of those homes? I have the information on that. I might even have a current landlord company. it, like I said, did I give you

it's there this for this particular complaint there does list the the person or the company that owns the the rental unit. So, if it's different on a different property, then we'd have to send a demand letter and then an ordinance violation against that separate company. As I recall, they talked about they have an HOA, but it's not really an HOA. Is that correct? I mean, they don't follow anything. I think that's what they've said, but I I have never looked into their HOA that I can well for the enforcement side, but that's on them, not the county.

I just wondered if the county can send them a fine to HOA for the debris. I don't know if that Well, the HOA would be more than just the rental company. It' be all all the owners, I assume. So, I don't know if that would be a good idea. I think targeting it to the company or individuals that are continually allowing this to be on their property would be a a way to start.

Are you saying send them a fine? I mean, if we're looking at the complaint that's here, I'd send the rental company a letter to them saying, "You need to make sure your property stays clean, otherwise it'll be an ordinance violation to put it a little bit more on them."

And then we can see if that spurs any change. But if there are separate rental companies out there, we'd have to wait till there's a complaint with other ones until we it's before I would send them a letter. Well, I know Airhead estate used to have a big dumpster and when people were moving out they would things they didn't want they put in that each one of the areas had a big dumpster. So at least they're big.

Yeah. You know we we we talk about you know like Arrowhead or Yeah. or Eagle's Point or whatever having these places you put this stuff. Even if they do have it, that's personal property.

And if people take that, they can dump that anywhere. It doesn't mean that Eagles Point would be responsible for it. People going to dump their personal property all over the place, you know, and and the question I have in my mind is that Eagles Point's issue or is that just the private individual? That's their stuff and they choose to dump it someplace. How does that fall back on the companies out there? That's what I understood. That's where I'm coming from. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. It it's from only from the fact that they're permitting it to stay on their property. If they're permitting to stay on their property, yes, I agree with you.

And that's that's I I agree with you. It's those individuals personal property, they should be the ones responsible. But the end of the day, actually getting any compliance from them, they're long gone. Probably. I think it's a two-sided Yeah, it's a two-sided coin there. Yeah. And then there's around the edge of it,

but I think that's where the the company then goes after those former renters. And if nothing you when you rent them the first time, you get a charge. Here's a $500 deposit. When you move out and it's clean, we'll give you the $500 back. That seems to be pretty common in most rental agreements, a damage deposit or whatever you you want to call it. Would you be willing to write them a letter and maybe in the letter highly suggest they get a dumpster? Ry could there any violation that's active right now though?

Well, this is why we're here today. There's been nothing written. Uh but Marjgerie, if you recall when she was in the last meeting, you told her to report to us and she has and I gave you copies of the call sheet, the log sheet of uh I think that's just started in January and there's one of the sheets has like two or three places where they dumped. So I I think I have three call sheets attached to that ordinance. Yeah. So no violations been written because that's not our job. That's why we're saying, "Okay, now what what should she do? What should we do as a county?" Because we decided uh we were not going to go out there and pick up on the roadside. Correct.

Yeah. So, I guess is it all this complaint is it all directed to the same entity? Every all of these different instances they're rental properties. Yes. And I can get you the information of that rental there. As far as I know, there's only one rental company. Um because this is in the more residential side. It's not in the um they've got a old hotel. None of those places do that over there where we put the what is that road over there where the hotel. I can't think. But anyway, it's in the more residential the housing, you know, where I'm talking about. Well, you wouldn't because you haven't been out there, but I think most of you do. So

I could just write a general letter to this company know that saying we know there have been trash and equipment being dumped. If it continues to happen again, we're going to enforce this ordinance against them. We suggest you get a dumpster to help alleviate the issues. Might work. So, with that said, when I was listening to Mark, and I would have to agree with him, I I have a property and if somebody legally dumps on my property and it's on my property, you're not going to come get it. I got to get rid of it. Is that right? Y I mean, so it's like what's good for me should be good for the rental company. They they're the one renting that property. I just again an opinion.

We deal with it, too. people drive out the country and just dump it off time. Yep. We need a motion to have you write a letter. No. If you just tell me that's what you want, I'll take care of that. Okay. I have nothing further. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. A motion and a second to adjurnn. All in favor say I.