Board of Commissioners Agendas and Minutes - Regular Meeting

like to call this meeting together meeting order 4:30 p.m. Mayweather County Board of Commissioners work in conjunction with the Mara County Airport Authority. At this time, I please silence your cell phones and any electronic devices. Please stand while the invocation is given by bus followed by the pledge. Okay.

We'll call the meeting of the Marweb County Airport Authority uh in session also. If y'all would please bow with me. Lord, we just come to you at this time as always, thanking you for what you do for us. Lord, we even thank you for the avenue that we have that we can approach the throne. We thank you for that. And Lord, just be with us here in our midst as we go about doing that. That would be up building to Mew County. That would be up building to your name, Lord. And Lord, as always, guide everything that we do. And Lord, please forgive us for we fail you in Christ Jesus name. Amen.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice to all.

Okay, I like the agenda. Any changes to the agenda? Make a motion to adopt. Second. All in favor? I'll do the same thing. We'd like to adopt the agenda for the airport authority. I need a motion. Motion to adopt. Second. Second. All in say in favor raise your right hand. Motion carries. New business. discussion of airport authority responsibilities and FAA requirement.

Okay, where do we start? Uh, first of all, do you guys on the commissioners, do y'all have any questions that that's foremost in your mind right now about what we do and what we're trying to accomplish out there? Any probably have more questions after you probably have more questions after we move forward and and we're discussing here today. I'm sure it'll all open up to some questions.

Well, um you know, we're established by the state and you guys appoint each of us to be on the authority and um uh what we tried to do first and foremost is educate ourselves on the FAA requirements for public use airport like ours is. Um, basically what it amounts to is um aviation fuel sales tax from the the state well from all across the United States goes into a big fund that the FAA administers that money has to be put back into the air force. That's where they they come up with their monies. It's from fuel sales tax for aviation only. So that tax money then is used for aviation only. uh in you know across America. Um that's where we get the different programs that they administer to us about um well you've got this project to do that project. Their first and foremost thing is they want safety items taken care of at each and individual airport everywhere. Those have to be done first before you can say you know build hangers or something like that. So if there's obstructions um things like that that has to be done first. And if you recall, uh, a few years ago, we had, uh, moved a lot of dirt, um, away from the Air Force runway because from 250 ft from center line out each side, nothing is supposed to be higher than that runway. So, we had to move a bunch of dirt, um, rock and stuff like that. And we complied with all that. That was a million plus dollar projects. In addition to what we have on our capital improvement plan, the CIP for our airport, um we have different things that that we want to accomplish. Um I've been told many times that a successful

county has three good things. A good school system, a good medical facility, and a good airport. So the interest in our little airport, when I first came on the airport authority, there was one blue building. Nobody was coming in and out of there very much. Um the fuel system was down. It was a used system when it was uh given to us or bought to us in first place. So since then we've made a bunch of big uh improvements, you know, from 3,000 to 5,000 to 4 ft long. Now the runway will take uh business yachts uh turborop airplanes and stuff in addition to those small single engine airplanes that which was what we mostly have at our air force. Um in addition to that um the extension and all we uh we rehab the surface of the runway. Well that's good for 20 years or thereabouts. Then the latest big project was updating the runway lights. The uh Bob has Bob Gordon has been taking care of our runway lights for the past years and um every week or so a bulb or two would go out. They were high dollar bulbs. That was because the entire system was 20 something years old. And so the latest big project that we did with AFA government money is we replace that with LED lights. So they're brighter. They don't use as much electricity. All new wiring underground. All new uh poles with the the stansions and the lights and everything on all that's brand new, including the rotating beacon up on the top. So, that was the latest thing. Next thing that was on our agenda on our 5-year capital improvement plan um was the rehab of the ramp area. That's the area in front of the heel tank. The fuel farm is, you know, fairly new. Um went from a 3,000galon tank to 12,000

gallons. That was a significant thing because we can take an entire truckload of fuel. around 8,300 gallons is the general amount that a truck load will will bring to us instead of in the past where we were having tried to split a load with somebody else high mountain or or whoever. And so this is that was a huge big deal for us to to get that. Um it works fine and lots of people are coming here because we try to keep up on the price of fuel in the surrounding area and we will try to to stay competitive. you know, a nickel or so less than the cheapest guy around. So, be come to us. We have a higher turnover of fuel. Plus, we make more fuel money that way to turn around and buy another load of of fuel. So, all of that uh has been is making steady progress. The FAA has a criteria where they come out and they inspect your airport at least once every two years. And um uh so that they've just done that, by the way, this past week. uh we sat in with them and um and they did their u inspection. Um last I think it was last November is when we found out what our rating was on our ramp. If u uh if memory serves me correctly when the ramp was first done uh they finished it up and it wasn't exactly to uh the highest standards. uh something to do with the contractor. That was all before my time. Um and anyway, the u the ramp itself now is starting to crack come apart just like you'd see in the Engles parking lot or something. It's it's from age, wear, and that sort of thing. So, right now, that's our next

big project. We think that it's going to be around a million $200,000 to do all this entire thing. Not the places down next to the new hanger or in front of the new box hangers cuz that's new asphalt. It's It's good. But basically the big square rectangular area in front of the fuel pump in front of the blue hanger out to the to the grass. Is that asphalt or concrete now? I'm sorry. Is that asphalt or concrete there? Asphalt. Do you know what the square footage areas of that is?

Off the top of my head, I do not. Um, but anyway, uh, the contractors that do this, you know, have to be approved by the FAA because they have to put down so much, uh, dates and all of that sort of thing to make it FAA approveable. So, um, our our cost part of that would be $198,000 or right at $200,000 and then the government will give us the million dollars to go with that. Here's the kicker. uh every year, every winter, every summer, uh the the ramp area is going to deteriorate some more. And at some point time that has to be done. So, we take the government's money now, the million dollar, and come up with $200,000 of our share or at some point down the road, we'd have to pay for all of it ourselves, which we don't have. I know we don't have money to do that. So, that's kind of the the main next big project that we're doing that we're asking the you county commissioners uh to, you know, support that. And uh and then we'll have a fairly new runway, a brand new ramp area, and uh and the fairly new uh fuel system or transit airplanes coming through. I had a call before I came down here this afternoon from a guy in Wyoming coming stopping at at Warm Springs. Wanted to make sure that we had fuel. I explained it was self-service that we didn't have any employees or anything like that and for him to be careful. Come on, we'd be glad to have him. I was down there on Saturday and um there was a lineup of three airplanes getting fuel. Uh two of them were transit and one of them was was our local guy. So, uh you know, we're doing some business down there and as the more people fly in and out here, words getting out of what a good little airport that we have. So, we're making progress. Um, Phil has the ins and outs

of of how the well, how would you say the the correct way of all this is getting done and so forth. So, I I will turn it over to Bill unless you guys have any questions for me personally. Well, I got one question. Uh, do y'all have like a flight log that tells who comes in and goes out?

Um, we don't have a log like that. However, uh Jim Stson, one of our u leaseors down there at lees hanger, he's retired FAA guy and he has uh what is it called? Bob something. Yeah. And he goes on there and he uh and it shows the flight following airplanes coming into airport leading and uh and the average is between 38 and 45 airplanes a week coming in and out of our airport. And that's not including the ones at the station. That's right. That's right. That's, you know, that's just line. Is that just touching going or they're getting fuel?

Most of them are stopping and getting fuel. Now, some of them will come in, they're training from like Peace Street City or somewhere. They come over and they shoot like takeoffs and landings and they'll get low on gas and it's cheaper there than it is in P Street City. Then they'll fill up at our place and then go back. So, there's student training going on as well, you know, there. Um, and you know, Bob, I guess you can tell tell them how much fuel that we generally uh are selling. Yeah, we could sell some about two tank loads of your I think this year. What is it? 8,300 gallons. And we're doing at least two of those summer months a year. I'm sorry. 16,000 gallons a year. Yeah. Plus

this year looks like we're going to go we might get it looks like we're going to get three tankers. So that would be, you know, 24,000 gallon. That's great. We're making that much fuel. And I assume we're making money off the fuels. Yeah. Um I think making 60 cents a gallon. Are we still subsidizing? Are we still helping with the monthly payments? The county. Yes. On the hangers. On the hangers. Yeah. And we're paying you back for that too every month. No, I'm saying, but y'all still don't have enough coming off the fuel or the hangers to cover that payment on yourself or and then continue paying us back, too. Or we're we're paying y'all back every month. The one for one, I'm sorry.

The same amount, whatever the payment is, we're getting that from y'all. Do you know what that is? They're paying us back the a payment on the I think is it is it the payment the whole retention for McCoy? Correct. They're paying that back. But then we're also funding what like $9600 a month or something. Correct. The note from the um hanger extension.

We had I remember since I came on board, I'm just want someone to help me refresh my own. We had three different things we had to where um uh there was one where you had gotten the loan and so forth and then it was a mistake something a bill that did not get paid or was not included in there and we had to get figure out how to get that paid and then there was something else that came back was like 500 and something thousand and I think that's when we said we'll just give that to the board give it to them to pay us back. Just just bring me up to date on that if you would, John.

From my research on that one, I'm familiar with that because the airport initially took out a loan. There was not enough to cover it. So then the board of commissioners backed it to advance that loan up to the further amount of what it's currently at. Then they used ARA funds to pay that outstanding bill to return. And how much was that? I have to go back and look, but I want to say it was in the 300,000 range. It was right at 300,000. And what was the other amount that the other additional amount was due to the C increase of steel and they needed that amount. No, I mean how much was that amount? It had to be

it's 90 or 300,000 additional to the loan because they ran out of equity in their land to cover that loan themselves. So the board has backed that loan. It's about $114,000 a year for about 10 years that we $111,000 is what the board pays and it's a 30-year note. It's about a million.2 million in interest over the term alone. All right. So, what's the note that we're paying for them right now? What's that amount? Mainly is 111,000 some change. Okay. Well, say 112. He said they're paying us back each month. So, what's a monthly payment? a monthly payment, but they're paying back is a retainage from McCoy, which is about $584 or so a month is what they're paying back to the end.

But so they're paying that back. Yeah. At the end of the year, they're back in. So at the end of the year, they have $10,000, $15,000 left over. They pay back what they can towards that note that the county has advanced. So it's going to be many years then before they pay back. Let me say something and that in the airfield. You're never going to pay for an airport on deals. That's not what it's about. Not going to pay for it with annual. Well, then how do you plan to pay for it?

Well, the whole idea behind the airport is is to bring business to the county. And that's why the federal government agreed to extend that runway to regular airplanes. That's it. So, we've got Everarm tax that we're using and if you can attract bigger airplanes, you could attract the web alarm tax and that's quite significant when you get to say $2 million airplanes sitting in there and paint. You know, they're paying 27,000 a year for that.

Well, that's not an unnecess unusual arrangement. I mean that most airport like of this size or there like cowita doesn't I haven't looked at it in a while but it's just fuel sales and rents generally don't cover operation. You know, you have to think of the airport like your highway out there. It's there as a transportation infrastructure to bring in industry to account. And that's why and the only reason why the federal government when you die get you that money. I mean, we didn't come up with this. This is plan that's been in place.

No, I know how that part works. I'm just We were talking about this three years ago. How many industries or how many business do you think came in the airport helped bring into the county over the last week? We've had two helicopter operations come out here and look at this. First guy came in said, "You're not where I need you to be." Okay. You're not where I need you to be for me to put the investment down here. Is that location or stat? Is that location or

not location? Just infrastructure down here. when they they walk around and look at your ramp and look at your runway and look at your facelities, it's just like when you go buy a car, buy a house, you're looking for, you know, a good deal, something that's good standard. We have another helicopter operation coming down here and actually doing a lineman, a maintenance facility,

and I got Look, I'm just going to speak the truth here and you got I hope so. the board, but they start looking at our relations down here and what the opinions are there. And when they hear opinions about people not supporting their board, they they look at these minutes. Who's not supporting? Well, we've given money and backed y'all up so far. I'm talking about statements for the mayor. Yeah, but those statements are not coming from here. They're coming from over there. Coming from over where? That board. Not from us. They're not. Well, where are they coming from? Cuz they're not coming from this one. Well, all right. And we've got financial and records that show that we supported you and everything you've asked for. Just like the the deal with the cell tower.

That's the only thing. And that had nothing to do with this. Excuse me, Adam, but when you were chairman, when we got the lighting, you made a statement. You approve that and no more money to the airport. They believe that stuff. You see what I'm saying? I don't mind this brief. You know, we can go back behind closed doors and have this forever all day long, but we need to have We're not here for that. We're here to hopefully come out here with a positive attitude. But my question was, you made the statement, so I want to know where it came from. All right. Well, let's go back. My question was over the last three years, how many business have located here because of the airport, not how many come look, how many businesses have actually opened up because they're using our airport to come in to go to it. Dale, what was the deal with Warren Springs about that?

So, well, I'll just say this. to kind of back to the infrastructure and what Nathan even tell me. So you basically have budget for operations and then say infrastructure infrastructure upkeep we'll say that. So as far as coming to base here once your hangers are full there's no place for them to go. So you now have in the last few years developed not only filled hangers but have have a waiting list. So that's a that's a really positive thing for somebody new additional new business like that helicopter um the second helicopter opportunity you talked about. That'll be something where they have to come. You're not going to build a hanger for them. You've incubated on purpose intentionally to have enough hanger space that you will never drop below 10 base aircraft which then you lose that fed money which is $150,000 a year in the eligible for for more. So you have that protection in place. You can build hangers if you want to moving forward, but you've already protected yourself. So for entities who come here, you're really looking at you lease them ground. They'll make the investment build hanger. you give them a 30-year lease, follow all the FA criteria, but that's kind of where overall what you're doing is putting things in place and often I'll take take that back to the ramp for example in the lighting project you funded when they come and they're going to lease ground and build investions of dollars in a new hanger, then they do want to see that that you have a light working lighting system and invest in that. It's out there. It's fantastic. this apron because it is your main apron and it scores at 44 on their one to 100 scoring. So they want to see it improve for the people who want to invest. They want they will look at that and say we if we have a piece of expensive equipment in here that ramp in the condition it's in it'll possibly you'll damage a prop or damage aircraft. So that makes it a little bit hesitant. After you invest in the apron, there's

your 5,000 foot runway. You just did that entrance road a little bit ago. Um DOT wanted to see that. So as you invest in that infrastructure, it gives them the confidence to invest and build hangers and things like that. Um you also long term um you want to add jet fuel. So you have a tank out there with 100 low a gas for raw planes. Um for the helicopters and for some other users, they've inquired about jet fuel. you have it on the five-year CIP and how you did that at gas tank was um you fronted it with the idea that you're getting the whole thing 90% of it back from FAA. Um and they're poised to do that whenever you're ready. So you now show that on the 5-year CIP and if anybody inquires all right if I came here I jet field you said basically here's you're going to do it exactly where we did the app gas and you can commit to having it within a year if they sign up. So you moved a lot in the potential for attracting people with some of the other things you've done including that investment in the lighting project. So the apron is along with that. Um again your hangers are full. So you don't have any space to offer if somebody did want to come here. So now you're in a mode where you're going to you want them to build hangers. You've already built hangers. So you've protected your ability to stay above that criteria. Um, so now you're looking for how do you put yourself in a position so those people go and you've got not only the hanger people but you've had some others who are interested in um not only the helicopter people but some people are interested building anger potentially building some extra because now they know there's a waiting list. So because you built that waiting list somebody comes and builds something themselves if they build extra units they can tap into your waiting list and and get tenants and make the profit off of that. You get the out sales off the phone.

So then still back to my question for the last three years and all the money we spent no business or industry has come in because of ready. What's that? We're not ready yet. We'll fill this. Okay. No, I've asked it three times and I'm told all this stuff that's coming in future and um on the infrastructure like say a company came in like that and they're wanting to build this massive hanger helicopters and all that. Are they're going to want us to uh give them like we do out the

that let me that's I wanted to touch on this real quick before you move on cuz I didn't know this till I started doing airport work 20 years ago but the industry standard whether you agree with it or not is this these companies that Bill's talking about once you have the infrastructure in you don't build them the hanger they don't build them the hanger you sign a lease and they go build the hanger right and generally they're 20-year leases with a five or two five year options, right? And after that, it's the airport, right? But I just want to make sure it's it's not he's not talking about I I know y'all probably know that, but it's not like when these companies come in, they say you need to build it. I mean, that ain't happen.

No, my question was going to be I knew that all the way through. My question would be if they came in and build this multi million dollar complex or whatever, we sign a 20-year lease and so forth. would they be expecting us to do like we do or used to do with IDA and industries, you know, don't have to pay adorum tax on all their equipment and all that as a return. That's only if it qualifies for a certain type. Okay. I just got Yeah. If there's some I've never seen I mean I've seen some of them do bond deals to finance construction, but it's not pay for taxpayer money. It's just a financing mechanism.

And I'll add to that. So if you have or there's some kind of industry there's could be film or something the state wants to promote and they do some special thing and that ties into it and you get paid back that incentive that's its own thing from FA standpoint FA requires you to charge fair market value and things like that. So you're not actually allowed to give them any breaks at all. You're not allowed to charge unless they're fair market value. They'll come in and find because they're not going to give you this money. You ain't gonna turn around and rent them the property that you built with their money at fair market back. I mean try not to pay you income tax, right? Because they want you to generate revenue so you can pay to maintain their investment. That's what they want.

It's all about also we'll say when they come in come in and build the hangers themselves not you own the ground under it still but the building itself's taxable as property too. So you'll get 20 30 years of property tax. technically they can take it down, but I've never seen that. That's not good. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, nobody does that. They don't get it. I don't I think we've missed the intrinsic value of the airport. Let me go back and explain what I'm thinking about. And Commissioner Threadgill, I may have to rely on you. My memor is not what it once was. Mine either, but go ahead.

And the expansion began down at the foundation. And you know there was a good several years ago they did a lot of work down there. The state invested quite a bit right

in getting that facility where it needs to be. Now besides that I don't need to tell you how much money that institution has generated for Marweather County because I doubt anybody could really put their hands around it. But in some of the meetings they had, one of the criteria that was cited for being a good location and the state felt like that it was their money was safe was the fact that we had started the expansion of that airport and the runway had been extended and ain't that pretty much. You're right.

And they use that to justify a lot of what they did down there. So there is an intrinsic value to an airport that we don't always you can't put dollar signs beside or you you just can't capture. And I know when we installed the new fuel system, it was more high-tech than the one they have in street city. I don't know if it's still the stand or if it's still there or not, but I do know that in comparison, it was a lot more high-tech. Uh, but I think I agree with Buster on a lot of this. And you know, the airport is something that is a gem in the county. To me, it always has been. And it's really not much less to me than the courthouse, even though all the people use the courthouse here. Not everybody has a plane. Not everybody has a helicopter. Not everybody flies in and out of there. Um, but if everybody in Mirwood County could have one, I'm sure that they would have one and we'd be flying in and out of that. So saying all of that, it is a gym that we have that we need to cherish, that we need to keep. Yeah, there there comes a time to where everything becomes a burden at some point financially on everybody here. But when you invest into a courthouse, it's because you have to and it's cheaper to upgrade something that is standing and something that is than it is to go in and build something new. So to me, it's just an investment on keeping things in Mayworthy County going with almost 2100 flights in per year. You're saying almost 40 a week. So that's about 2100 uh aircraft coming in and out of there. Uh whether it's touchdown, training, fuel, what have you. It only takes one person that flies in sees that special something in Marwa County. Um they can bring a lot here. So I believe in the airport. I think it's something that should be cherished. Um I'll probably get some backlash, but I'm a big boy. I can handle it. Um but I do think that it

is something that we need to keep going with. Well, I'll add to that. I don't that the sentiment of all the phrases of need to keep going and need to keep whatever. I don't know where that's coming from that actually assuming it's going away. That's what that sounds like. Um, I've been approached by several people this last two weeks that I heard we're doing away with the airport turned into a drag strip. Don't know where that came from. You know, I know I assure you that's not happening. Um, from my perspective, I' I've always thought it was nice and cool younger to have the airport and riding by. Look, you know,

I think we need it. We need to maintain it. I think some of the questions that this board has had is there are a lot of things in this county that have been degraded over the years and not maintained as they should have been. Roads, infrastructure, buildings, airport and based on priority of what is in do all of the citizens use or the majority use or what is needed. Now, the we have more money than people think we do, but we have enough resources to do what needs to be done. And in some cases, we felt like as a board that that money is better spent on some of these quicker win projects for the community than sticking to a five-year plan that we know we'll need to do down the road. Can we kick that cam down another year or two and get some of the, you know, road and courthouse and other buildings done with that million dollars and then not put it in the airport because at the end of the day, there's not that many people that live here using it and there's not that many business drawings that are happening. I agree 110% that one day somebody's going to fly in or fly over and come in and say, "hm, this is a good place for this or that." And we need to be ready for it. But at the same time, I I think the sentiment of why we've been talking about funds and restricting them and moving them here and there is that roads, county buildings, you know, recreation, those things we felt like were more important and more urgent of a need than the expansion of an airport that not many people are using. So, I hope that clears up maybe some of the perception from

here's something that that you may not have thought of. Um the airport maintenance area of runway lights, beacons, ramp areas, all of that. It's on a cycle. We do this ramp this year. Then it's not going to be needed to be resurfaced or anything, you know, for 15 to 20 years. Mhm.

Um so that's the thing. It's unfortunate that it's coming. The cycle is now just like we got our new runway lights. believe it was 22 years I believe from the time that the original one was out there. So 20 years is about uh the the correct time of replacing runway lights. So we got a couple extra years out of that. But now that the runway lights are done other than somebody breaking one the other day and we don't know how that happened. Um you know that that that's not going to be an an issue uh anytime soon. Can I ask a question about this this CIP? So you guys developed the CIP, right? Is that correct? And it's working document,

right? So, are we I guess some of the confusion clarity, are we building this based off of FAA audit requirements and saying you've got A B C D that need to be done by XYZ or these things? Are we listing these things out? Is here are the items we got to get to to do the growth and the things that we want to do and are we putting them in in align as we think about them and think logical order should be and then we're going after those items but not necessarily it needs to be done this year. The FAA item, you know, it's not a requirement to be done in this year of this five-year plan. We could move it around. That did I ask that a way make sense?

So that format that's FAA's format. They want the data presented in their format. So I understand that.

Yeah. So their format is they score the projects in their own unique way. So like runway and apron score the highest. Safety project score the highest capacity like admin apron uh scores the middle. Um and then revenue generation like that fuel fun. That's what we do. We got scored below us. So they take things like this pavement evaluation where this is independently you did this for FA and what's in yellow now score such they require that it be at the top of that list. So they dictate to you uh that sort of thing. Oh, they do want to see again safety first and capacity second that that so they want to see you take care of all safety items you know before you ask for any you know for us a parallel taxi way for example

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helps with safety but they don't they want to see you take care of other things first. So then the upkeep like Mike said you've got basically runway 20ear cycle for paving the lighting and then things like the apron area. So when this airport opened in the 1960s, Governor Sanders 3,000 ft long in the apron area that was paid, we've actually got some pictures of that opening. It was what was in yellow. That's the first apron, that one taxi way in that main apron area. So if you think about that in the 60s, repaid in the 80s roughly around 2000 and then right now is the 20 years. So you do that and you're good for 20 years. Um, but when you look at that like on that CIP, you start to get with that runway at a 61 at the rate that it'll deteriorate. And this the scoring on here is 100 is brand new pavement, zero is dust basically. So they pay attention to those numbers. They score. So that's why you begin to see at the bottom that CIP you'll start to they want you to walk that runway rehab, which is very expensive, slowly out year after year, but pay attention to that score. So you're basically kind of dictating to on that CIP what goes on there and that's FAA's format. So when that gets put together we have to meet with them and they okay what goes on there. So that's why you don't see anything. You won't see things like you wanted to build a fight around a deer. You wanted to build a hanger yourself. You won't see it on there. Anything that has local local cost for like design or construction pay don't see that on there. only the stuff that matches the mag

the national priority ranking in the first column I said is that the best is one or 100 you explain the pavement but yeah it's a it's a overly complex system they have they revise constantly but that we're required to show that on there as they or their system well is is a 67 better or worse than a 79 um from a statement scoring standpoint What a PCI, pavement condition index. You explain that one. I'm ask about the NPR, national priority ranking. Yeah. Higher is is better. Higher. So, you want to achieve the lower items first.

U that they're highest ranking. They they'll they'll dictate what they want to see on there based on other things going into your port. So, like if we did if we did a runway rehab project, they will actually take into account that's a huge outlay for us locally. They may let you push another significant thing back two years just to help you with the local matchup. So they have some consideration like that. But but mostly that ranking is they don't need to follow that as a Yeah. So the higher the number the higher the priority it is. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. I know you said that whoever does the ramp is GV approved FAA contractor, but do y'all have now or when will you have the specs, the square footage and everything that's going to

it is it is incredible rigid set of documents that goes with that. It's federal government criteria. So we put that together. You approve this, we put that together. there's a statement procurement follows all the separate criteria and goes together and then the people that bid on it um we will check qualification if we get like the first we open bids and it's CW Matthews we have three runway my drive CW Matthews right now probably done 50 of them in the career so we won't need to check like their their qualifications but if it was somebody who wasn't familiar with it we would we would screen through all that and make sure they meet the criteria. So it's it's not just

Yeah, I know you would do that, but when would you have like you said when you go to put it out to be when will you have all the specs and criteria for someone to bid? If you approved it tonight, we would have it about 60 days, but then it goes into do and they'll review it and then slow as molasses. Then when they're done reviewing it, they'll give us permission to give it a bid. So I would say roughly it'll be 20 days roughly. So most of that's there and when it comes out it comes to advertise for 30 days. It goes on the local legal organ statement and all that for 30 days.

So when you said the the contractor they have to be on an FAA approved list or they have to be able to perform the FAA specs. Yes. FB all the FA and then you reviewed are they capable of that? We'll take that um uh the bids, we'll enter them into a big tab item by item. So there may be a project list of maybe 50 items in there,

marketing and paving and and um all that mobilization. We'll load them, check their math. Um and then we'll also check their their historical ability to do a project like this. And we have had instances where you know had we make a recommendation and then like take and you don't have to take the recommendation but explain you know. So we have had absolutely folks who are u say they're a low bidder and their mobilization is greater than 10% that's not allowed. It's unbalanced bid. It's not allowed by things like that.

I don't know how that works. You all know, but what I was getting at, like I know I know companies that do this, but what I'm getting that doesn't work. What I'm getting at, you said something like if we put in 198,000, they're going to put in 1 million something. So,

if we had somebody that was qualified and and had the specs and can come in there and do it and I don't know how much they say, but would FAA still stick with that amount or would they give us that money towards something else later? follow their Oh, if it came under, no, they just take it back because it's it's funded for um that would be great. But because it's prioritized and scored as this apron project, let's say let's say if he made a million have 200,000 left, you know, could we go, hey, this apron area is recent to it scores a little better, but while we're out, we'll just do that. Sometimes if it's the same type of project, would you get to let us do that to scrub it off?

And we'd say, you know, just with this scoring at a 58, we're going to be back in a few years anyway. You're going to make this come back. So, would you let us have we could do that type of signal project? But let's say it was let's say it was a lighting project when it came under or wanted to go pay us something because of this. It was awarded based on the project. Are any of the ramps ever done in concrete? What I'm saying is could you get more your asphalt, you know, where quick I didn't know it's just a they stick asphalt and that's it. Not because I do concrete. I can't do nothing. I'm just asking that.

I'll tell I'll tell a story about that. So Washington Wils Washington Georgia and Wilstown in about 2000. Um we were doing a runway overlay project there. State FA always wants to do asphalt. particularly now that we're blocked by state. They didn't want to do asphalt for GA airports. We were approached by concrete institute who said, "Hey, if you'll bid it um bided asphalt, but bid an alternate bid concrete, they were going to write a check and pay the difference." So they could have an asphalt runway in Georgia to use concrete runway in Georgia, use it as example, and then you know the life cycle benefits of it, say this is actually a better investment long term. Um the head of Georgia DOT state aviation uh when we approached them said this is an unbelievable opportunity nixed it said if we do that everybody will want a concrete runway and that was the end of that and so there was a point we we got a couple years ago you know astronomical asphalt prices and it started to get close enough

it's going to be because asphalt's a petrol product. Yeah. And so um but there are always spikes like that but they're short enough term you can't get kind of movement on it. Um but that their philosophy is kind of like that but but at the point at a point that the costs were the same on the initial you know and now that you're doing you're doing overlays the part where you do concrete kind of do a pin topping or something like that those are all options that are out there. Yeah. So is the uh like if you paid the runway is the criteria for the uh apron as it is a runway.

Yeah. The thing with the runway is that because you've got aircraft at speed out there. So let's say you're a corporate jet company and it's way over it's knots but it's you know 150 miles an hour. So any undulations is much more sensitive to that because the u gear size the footprint contact patch is very small. So, we're way more sensitive on the braids on on the runway on the apron. The thing we look for in a rehab is if we have good drainage um u there's a limitation of 1% basically we can make anything for the aircraft. So, it's got to be really flat. So, this thing is pretty close to a uniform overlay. It'll make some slight improvements to it, but it's going to go back pretty close to what it we won't make any radical changes. runway, you will go on there and you make sure that the cross slope by each side is uniform and all that because of the speed of the aircraft.

And then on the national priority ranking, I'm looking in 2027, it shows uh Ahab apron rehabilitation runway crack and seal is at 79. So that's that's really needed. And then you go down to 2031, you see runway overlay at 79. Is the 79 the rating to date or is that what you anticipate?

That's no that's there the the pavement condition index is that zero to 100 score for that 79 is FAA score is a totally different scoring system than pavement evaluation is their priority length. So what they want to see you repave the runway every 20 years. So they want you repave it uh in that 20 year cycle 5 years in you seal and remark. 10 years in you crack seal and remark. 15 years practically marked, 20 years repaid. So that's what that reference to that pract I know you just saying at the national priority ranking note the the higher the number the uh the more urgent it was to get it done.

It's it scores higher because it's a runway, right? So I'm just saying I'm just saying that the runway overlay down here in 2031 is 79. Is that is that today's ranking or is that what they anticipate the ranking is going to be in 31? It is the key thing is it is not an evaluation of the paid. Okay. It is what they anybody's runway if they want to do something with the runway in their rankings. They just use that number based on how old the runway is. No, it has nothing to do with your condition of your runway. Runways are important to them. They assign a 79 to runway projects. They assign a you know 27 to perimeter fencing projects. 79 is more important.

So it's not an assessment of yours. It's just how they rank on the scale of importance. It's right. But it's not an assessment way. It's just where they have it on their none of these rankings have anything to do with the condition of anything. Not with the condition to the pavement condition index. Right. Yes. Gotcha. So that's why like take the fence for example as a comparison. They don't prior priorize spencing at all, which is kind of crazy like but

so so and it'd be much easier if they just said there's only about 20 different types of projects. If they just said 20 is the most important, one's the least or one is the most important. They don't do that. They have this unique system, but um because the runways are 79 because you don't need to rehab your runway for at least five years. It sits down here at the 79 even though the 79 is the highest thing but you would you would not move that right to the top because it doesn't feed rehab right now. So when it when it appears on your sheet it is assigned whatever they're valued for

like the runway overlay is ranked to 79 but then the pavement condition is 61 to 68. So it's ranked fairly well. The pavement is it's just got

right. And so that 61 as it deteriorates slowly by the time you'll need it and that's why it'll slowly walk up that ceil and that and that goes down what Adam was saying earlier about hey can you push something off for a year or two. So something huge like the most expensive thing you ever have is that runway rehab. Um, so when you're walking that thing from five years out, you know, let's say you got to, it was in the second year as you're walking it forward second year and you had an opportunity to land somebody to to bring somebody in if you had jet fuel, you might actually go, you know what, let's try to delay that for one year to get this other thing in because that's commit to that. So there's some things you can do strategy wise. I mean I I know the you know the airport in my opinion the airport has been there for 60 years and

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and we got to keep it up because we've started these uh FFA pro FAA projects and the G dot projects. So we got to keep moving or or we're going to get really bad penalized. But I mean I'm all for you know doing safety issues on the airport. But my problem is is we got roads in this county that hadn't been surf resurfaced in 50 years. And you know, we we sitting here talking about do repaving the airport every 20 years. And I mean that, you know, but like I said, I don't have a problem with doing what the maintenance that we have to do for safety issues. Just like I I was all in favor of the lighting. I voted for the lighting and because that's a safety issue, but just doing something just because we want to do it and think it's, you know, and the industry y'all are referring to is that uh just aviation industry when you're talking about drawing industry in.

No, no, not at all. No. Then airport has an economic footprint of about 23 to 24 million a year. That's not just aviation. Some of that's aviation business on the airport, you know, where you have engine shops, upholstery shops, things like that. But that's industry coming into Thomas because they do have that facility, right? But but I see that we've moved our industry up 20 miles from the airport, you know, with Thomas is a little bit closer.

Well, that's a good point, but they're talking about looking for another industrial park somewhere in the southern part of the county. It seemed like may industrial parks are located by the interstate and most people fly into the non airport to go to the industrial park because well let me drop down two exits you're there example here I talked to a porter p the other day he said if you had this airport I can guarantee you my company would be down here tomorrow to do a ground lease to build a hanger part two gear who would guarantee that this guy that works for a corporation that class for a minute. There's a

I had the same conversation with somebody that if we would do the approaches and have jet fuel, then it would Yes. So, would they come down and talk with y'all at one of your meets and and try to put a proposal together and then and then that makes us go now we got a reason. I mean, you're saying he said if we had jet fuel, we could do this, this, this, and Well, again, it go I hate even saying this, but it's kind of like you have to build it then they they don't want to hear you talking about it. No, but you can do a contract that guarant you say guarantee where they you're going to build it. They're going they're willing to say this is what we'll bring to y'all if y'all build it.

Well, you would you would they won't come without you kind of break it down like this. The ramp rehab, they won't come with the ramp that's a 484. Yeah. Because they can't risk it with their aircraft. Well, so you do you do the ramp and then you've done ramp, you got LED lightsa d and that gets them closer to coming in and you know leasing.

To answer your question, Jean, um I talked to a guy this past week who uh wants to open up a maintenance shop and he wanted to know about ground leasing and all. I said, "We're we're agreeable to that. We don't have anybody ground leasing right now. We keep the dirt like Phil said uh and you build your own hanger." Well, uh, he is I've told him to put a proposal together to come at our next meeting in April. So hopefully he will do that if he's serious about this and and not going to some other airport because there's one available somewhere. So uh the infrastructure like uh when I was down there, I believe it was on Friday or Saturday, couple flew in from Columbia, South Carolina and they stopped and uh and filled up with fuel. But is there a place to go eat around here? Well, yes there is. There's a bunch of good places right 3 milesi down the road here. Well, you have a courtesy car? No. Got an Uber? No. Got a taxi? No. I've got a pickup truck. So, if you don't mind riding in my truck. So, I took them down there. Um, bullet council was closed cuz it was 3:00. I took around the back barbecue. They thought our little place was wonderful. You know, not pat myself on the back because I gave them a ride, but you know, I was I was there to help them. So, u they said, "Well, this is a little gym." I said, "Go online and and tell everybody about it. you know, we're good folks out there. Come see us again. So, that's the infrastructure where somebody flies in and they can't go get anything to eat except what I put in the refrigerator or David has in the snack machine. You know, we're not there yet. And people that come down like like Doug's uh was talking about that helicopter operation. We've got the dirt over there for them. said we can we can put you across the runway separating the rotor crabcraft from the fixed wing airplanes, you know, which is a good good thing to do that and have them build whatever they want to over there, but this infrastructure around it is just not quite there yet for them to make that leap. You know, they they want

to they said, "Well, this is this is going to be something." Nobody's pulled the trigger just yet. Right. We we had a gentleman the other day talking about a bank in Atlanta. He says there several airplanes a lot of people all over different they're out of Atlanta and they bought airplanes from Columbus. So they they in the land done what they're flying they're thankful for the day they fly down. He said, "Man, if y'all had it set up here, we'd be parking here."

Conversation I had with a gentleman is with firms out of Columbus and they would like to be here. Uh be cheaper for them and then Yeah.

Well, that's kind of what we're looking at is trying to one thing Bill mentioned about money and how this is scheduled as capital improvement plan. You got to be real careful about let things bunch up on all of a sudden you need it all now. And that's and you know there's more way to stand gap. I mean this can be adjusted to a point but you don't want to do you put yourself in a corner where you put it all too far. Now you're swearing just what you have to I want say strategywise on there. See I mentioned the jet fuel like on there is that jet tank get shown in the fourth year. So if you have somebody prospect and they need jet fuel and you go literally it's on here you have a mechanism to accelerate if that's what closes the deal. You also have out here in the second and third gear parallel taxi lane which you don't have to have that right now. What it does is it's a safety item so you don't back taxi. If you land in those parallel you have to come back and taxi down the roadway. But you could have some larger users who say that's that's a safety thing. they want it as part of their investment. So that's on here um strategically to show to help with prospects.

You that's new infrastructure for you. You don't actually have to build that. That can flow perpetually in the second third year. So you could show us here it is you see we're serious about it but you don't have to have those expenses right compared to say the lighting system or the apron we have. So with you're doing some things positioning to attract the prospects. If you go back right before the LED lights, you have a ramp that needs to replace LED lights. LED lights are done and before that headquart, you know, you're putting those LED lights. Columbus just got LED lights. They're behind the power curve. And I would say this is us speaking. It's not from anybody here in the room. There are a lot of people who would rather be here than in Columbus. They'd rather be at Harris County than Columbus. Rather be in Newas. So you do the ramp, you did the LED, you got stuff if if they need jet fuel, you have a mechanism you have already demonstrated how you can do it. Um, you did something Brian mentioned, you did something strategic, please release that is allowed in the FAD criteria where you fronted and got reimbursed that gets you to the front of the line in a way. So when you open that fuel funnel, like Brian said, the Peach Tree City folks are like, "How did you get this? We've been trying to get this." So that's what you do with the Jed. So you already So I'm just saying in the last whatever 18 months or something you've done a lot of you you got yourself in a position where now you covered up the number of payers. So you want they're below FAA funding. They don't watch that any because you are at 32 based aircraft. That's tail numbers. 32 based aircraft. You're tied for 46th in the state out of 103 public use aircraft. So that's you are if you took 159 counties in your population ranking what is your population ranking of

what the ranking is we're about 25 to 26,000 people. So

yeah so you're you're not in the top 50 in tax. So if you kind of use that proposal you should be performing base about your that's typical. So you are now with waiting list for hangers. You have these planes here. you got more on the list at one space as soon as it opens. So now when somebody says they're selling their airplane or they're leaving it, you fill it immediately. That's not how it was at first. When you you build language, you have to take people in line and develop that waiting list. So like we said to for people who want to build language, you now have a waiting list so they can go, I'm going to build a hanger for myself. Wait a minute, I'm going to go ahead and build a tea hanger with extra boxes because I can charge you know for my hanger free. So you're doing a lot of that kind of structural things put in place to get the prospects. The ramp project is kind of a got to be like the lighting so that it's safe. The other things you see on that CIP, the jet fuel and the taxiway projects are on there as a position for those possible. Um so your outlay of stuff beyond that that that runway overlay will creep up like that. You got to prepare for the so big. got the budget board in advance. Um, but most the other things I know are strategic.

Do you have to have the uh parallel taxi way to get the instrument approach? No.

But but you're kind of the people who need the instrument approach are going to ultimately expect you to have they so you get some entities businesses from insurance will want certain things to allow their aircraft policy bought in. Um, but you got it on there, it'll it'll score well and trivial. But what you do with the prospect is just go, "Look, we're going to you you uniquely need this piece of infrastructure that cost us a bunch to build. So, we need to do something in the deal outside of what FA requires, something in the deal that gives you, you know, more of the fuzzies about that investing. Where are we on the house removal?

We've got a John that's very much interested in the house. He's had a house moving set up and they went out of business. So now he's trying to find someone else to move it. The house moving company went out of business. Yeah. I just know that that thing y'all been talking about getting that moving for five or six years. Well, he's got more than that some people that are interested in uh possibly partnering with them that are let's just say that it could be good for him and county but they know that u isn't that isn't it an obstruction it needs be

ultimately so right now the way you're approaches of protection the visual stuff is smaller but it will be used to expand because it sticks up yeah So be getting that working on getting that move. We will walk the property down at the east end that we were talking about moving it to and he's good with that. I think it'll work just fine. So how many hangers are leased to citizens of the county? Do we know? I've been asked that question a lot and I did not know the answer. So I was curious. I only got one.

Yeah. Bill said, "Do how many aircraft you say were there?" Uh, you got 32 32 based aircraft. And so this is we clicked and added some all 32 aircraft.

We we think so. I stopped in to see uh William Harris this past week. I think it was Thursday or Friday I stopped and um they have sent out the county has sent out um uh an aircraft hacks update I guess to all the airplanes that are based here and um they put on on there well that they sold this airplane they've got a different one now or they've installed radio yada yada and then um that has to be turned in by April 1st and after that he said he'll give it a week or so and then he and I are going to go down to the hangers and check the tail numbers and he's got a value that he uses is um and he talked to me about that that he's pulled up online about what they should be uh tax axed, you know, he said for an example, he I looked up one and it was a system 172 and the guy said it was worth $58,000. He said and the lowest one that I saw was like $65,000 on this blue book deal. And so um uh you know I think most everybody will downgrade their so that the tax won't be as high but but again you got a basic tax there. Well it's this airplane and it's licensed and it's flyable. So it's it's bound to be a minimum of this amount. So to let you know, we will find out after the first week of April or so uh exactly when that takes place and I think the taxes then are due at the end of the year, maybe December or something or other I believe working on this bill because you can take two identical airplanes, same year, same model, different engine times, different avionics and different condition be worth you could have one worth 100,000 one worth 300,000

that's what I f to say it depends on what instrument's in that app try to work with him to help him go through his blue book value if you will and also kind of ascertain what and some of them like classic cars I mean some of them now they telling me that if you're if the plane is so light you don't have to have the medical card to fly, right? So, a lot of older people are buying these pl old older planes cuz they don't have to get certified to fly the plane and it's price. So, y'all when's the last time y'all probably had somebody go do all that update and for the county tax office and everything?

I don't know if if Harris did that last year or not. I don't know. Buster and I talked to him last year and they were trying to, you know, get their system in place to do it, my understanding. So, I'm I'm like the rest of them. I like going by there. I know we need an airport. Um, I'm always ready to support, but what I would like to see is uh when y'all bring things to us that says, "Look, we have got to do this because they're willing to give this much if we put this much with it and we have to have it done by such and such. Not come to us with dreams or what y'all would like to have in a terminal. I don't think you've been required to get a terminal yet, right? Not yet.

But but y'all would all love to have one. It would be nice." Well, it's not just us loving to have one. That's the That's I I know. But what I'm getting at to follow Commissioner Collins here uh to save the airport and keep from loosening it when we have

uh restrictions on us by the FAA. We got to do this, we got to do that. They're going to get they'll give us a million if we do 200. That's common sense in any business. But at the same time, we don't want to just go out there and do things. That's that'll be nice when we got county taxpayed citizens that are begging us to take care of things. That's where the balance gets off. wh that runway off do your apron first in the end of the day what do you have that you didn't have before you passed it but I mean in terms of fragment I'm not saying you should should or don't take those other claims of consideration I know you have to but you have to be careful about what we keep spending money but we tend to improve things to the point where the airports attract any kind of tax base station.

Yeah, the apron's not to the point where they're going to shut the airport down if we don't have it done by the end of this year, right? It's just it's one of the things that needs to be focused on maybe to bring the jets in and so forth. But it's not we're not at that point yet, right? So what what they've done by them offering that's their that's their that's the last thing they give you. Okay. So now you got to go or you can go no. But then that's Well, correct me if I'm wrong for you. It says right here, Apron Rehabilitation Construction, local share, $50,800.

That's the CIP. That's only the FAA part. Only the part that's associated with the FA grant. So, you have in addition to that, you got design, bid phase, construction phase. They require us to be up there every single day on the site and they require independent testing of the asphalt, things like that to certify it criteria. And then there's match. So that's only just like I was saying you don't you're going to build a hanger yourself. It doesn't go because they don't they don't care. Yeah. But the total price is uh

two8 1.183 and here is listed 1.0 when you bid it and so they get some slight fluctuation, but if you set aside 200 if you don't have the specs and everything ready for bid and so forth. Who came up with that? You will. You don't have it now because you haven't allocated the funds. No, I'm saying how do we know that's the one point whatever that's how much it's going to cost if no one's got Yeah, because the 1.2 that was one we did all those doing this every day at projects while they see all the funding amounts and all that stuff. So we have to they have us put that together. So FBA requires every public user board to have a planning engineering firm that's on it could be a little higher could be a little less.

It could but frankly is but our match because they allocate a certain amount of money and this is called in their terms discretionary money at their discretion what they're funding. So they're going to give a set amount. If that thing came in $100,000 over, we're gonna cut that this scope back because they don't have any extra money to do. So, you're just m basically you're locked in the two. That's why I'm asking. So, if it comes in at the 1 million, we put up the 200,000, they put up the 1 million. If it comes in less, does part of our match come back to us? That's correct. They won't and they won't uh like I was saying earlier if it let's say it was one one you'll get part back but they won't they won't give you the extra to spend on anything else.

Right. Right. Right. So but if we leave our part then we could ask for the addition. Correct. And what would happen is then we would come back and forth after we open the bids. Right. They didn't have that certified bid tab or recommendation. We'll come back and coordinate with John. They can say here's the vid. here is literally to any your local match. So where did the 1.2 come from? Because here listed a million6,000.

Yeah, that's in that's in that that CIP. So that's where you take all the other costs associated with probably design, construction phase, the weather stuff that goes beyond the grant. So you've got another whatever you about Also, you can tell what's your budget for the year? Current fiscal year budget is 24 million. That's one of the questions I was going to ask Phil is is any of this projected to be done or started prior to 9:30? Yes. So, we

this is not a budget item. I would have to try to find whatever portion it is to And what I was kind of getting at, if we can break this down in the percentage of what it is of the county budget, that might help state to understand that. Yeah, that's so much one% a lot of these items is is evidence.

Nothing's budgeted for this specific project in this year's budget. So if it's 180,000 due by September 30th, I need to find $180,000. So, I don't have it just floating out there somewhere. We have to ask departments to cut back 3% 4% to get that 18,000 security. The other thing is with a million-doll project that's going to kick us into a special audit or a single audit, which is going to cost the county additional roughly $20,000. With that being an FFA federal grant, a million dollar threshold is going to be met. So, now you're 200,000. Now, 225 pay. Yeah,

I asked Tammy to pull the amization schedule to clarify for the commissioners. The loan that was given out in April 2023 was 1,742720,000. Out of that is scheduled to be paid off July 14th of 2048. So it's a 25-y year alone, you're paying a million dollar million $34,000 in interest over the life of the loan.

Over the life of the loan. And just real quick, when you talk about things like ever tax tracking the right type of $100,000 less than 172, which is not out of question, I mean each pay based on last two figures $1,300 a year. bought one of those $2 million king down here which is a huge king area. He's playing $26,400 a year and a go on tax. So that's why big picture wise and I know we got a lot of small steps in between. You got to go for that facility that's going to attract those types of airplanes because they when you start parking hangers full of those fun things, that's when you start paying this long.

Yeah. Pretty quick. But I would love to see if if y'all had one member on the board that would be willing to be your leaison with the airport authority and just come come meet with one or two of us. you know, I know we can't do forms and all that. Right land, we'll keep you up to date, answer your questions on a weekly, a monthly basis, and we don't know the answers. We'll find I mean, we got I've got Phil on speed. We can get in the weeds as much as we need to, but I'm just hoping when we come together as a group, put our heads together to make this thing work. Yeah. I think we should do exactly what we're doing today, at least once a quarter.

Yeah. True. Uh because you got a 5-year plan. This is my fourth year on the board and this the first time I've seen it. Yeah. So that goes a long way in being able to see and understand before coming in tonight. I wouldn't had this or any other conversation. You want $200,000? My god. Well, I don't know what's going on. I'm here right now to give y'all all the information you want. I'll gather it. I'll explain it as best I can. If I can't, I'll go with guys that can help me explain it. So, well, I think we we should do it in this type setting and environment. so it's open and transparent to the community instead of just a couple of us meeting and talking wherever. Um because there are a lot of citizens are concerned with what's going on, what are we doing,

and then especially fiscally, you know, what are we doing with the money? Where's it going? You know, you see all the comments, everybody in here is lining their pockets with something. I don't you know, so I don't think that's the case. But, you know, we did something very similar to that with our board. I tried to save a breast of the airport things as closely as I could and I could bring it back with Lord with what was happening. Brian did it with the animal shelter quite a bit with that and that worked out well. Do y'all do any of that like have special program people.

It's just more for education not to the side. I mean and and I aviation know Bob and Mike and I we all flew with airlines military stuff with this side of aviation it's a whole bit of a ball I mean you had to re-educate yourself you know you don't know what you don't know if you start calling people like Bill and Wh it's it's complex and we got to be careful you don't make a mistake because it's going to end up costing account money if you do That thing like the IRS. Oh, well, we're sorry you didn't know. We're sorry you made a mistake. You got to pay bill. That's kind of where we're coming from.

Yeah. Your your vision might be a little different. My vision. Everybody vision different. So today we come together and it's, you know, and it's everybody's seen everybody else's vision of what's going on. And I think it was a pretty good meeting, you know, good. I do think like Adam said, planning quarterly at least would be a good thing for all of us to get together and have this type sit down conversation. If it gets to the point to where you know we feel that somebody needs to step in or to be the liaison in between to keep up with what, you know, I don't mind doing it. I don't do that much anymore like I used to anyway, but I'd be glad to do that if it comes down to that. But I do think these types of conversations are good ones to have.

Well, here's here's an example coming up today. coming up in the near future about having to put some of these trees on the north end of the runway.

We've been very fortunate on the south end at minimal cost. We we got it done because the land owner was very brutal to do it. We've got trees that need a big footer on the north side and it's going to involve not getting into all the details he have to come in take free but it's also going to require improving that land and that's where we can use your expertise people you know account talk about stuffing the land cleaning the land and stuff like that cuz that's not an FAA deal you know That would be if uh if they knew how to do that.

Yeah. Uh I will say this, when the FAA guys came down and did the inspection, um the last time he was there, the trees were off on the south end and we got in the cars and he looked and he was really really impressed that we had done the south end. It all completely cleared, looked nice. He was like, "God, you guys, you guys got it together." So, we're making progress and getting a good reputation with those fellas. you know. So, we thank y'all for your time and uh I think we're going to have to adjourn this meeting. We got another one in like 17 minutes. All right. Thank you all. Thank you.

Okay. Our authority meeting has ended at at this time. You got the clock. Okay. Now, you guys end your meeting. Yeah. Thank you.